[Biofuel] Sprayable solar - Bush claims nuclear power renewable, clean

[info]

Bush will push nuclear power as clean, renewable energy

http://www.inform.kz/txt/showarticle.php?lang=eng&id=107223



Solar cell teams plastic and carbon

http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=7749_0_6_0_C




New thin solar panel could be woven into clothing, says Canadian prof

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2005/01/10/thin-solar-
panel050110.html



Power Your iPod With Solar Power

http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2005/01/10.1.shtml




Spray-on power

http://p2pnet.net/story/3530




Windmill energy company in deal

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20050112--
1b12wind.html



Fueling the future

http://www.times-
online.com/articles/2005/01/12/news/02fuelingthefuture.txt



Islanders celebrate the year of the big switch to reliable electricity

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=600275



Germany's SolarWorld Seeks Place in the Sun

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/28969/story.htm




The End of Oil?

http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/02/issue/review_oil.asp'UR
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Mitsubishi Electric US Enters Photovoltaic Module Market; High-
Efficiency Panels Available in 120 and 165 Watt Output Models

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[Biofuel] ethanologenic bacterium Zymomonas mobilis

[John Hayes]

The perennial choice for making beverage ethanol is /Saccharomyces 
cerevisiae/. In contrast, /Z. mobilis/ has been shunned because it can 
spoil fermentations of cider and beer with sulfurous flavors and rotten 
odors. However, in this rapidly changing industry, /Z. mobilis/ might 
gain popularity. Off-flavors are not a concern in the production of fuel 
ethanol, so the faster fermentation kinetics and higher product yields 
of /Z. mobilis/ could give it an advantage. Publication of the complete 
2.06 Mb /Z. mobilis/ genome by a consortium of researchers in Korea 
should provide a new impetus to efforts to exploit this bacterium for 
ethanol production.


You can read the rest here: http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nbt0105-40

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Re: [Biofuel] Collapse

[Kirk McLoren]

I think I remember Costeau making the comment that all of the oxygen made on 
dry land was consumed in oxidation of rocks. The sea produces our breathable 
air.
 
I saw satellite photos of die off larger than the area of all of Viet Nam when 
we were spraying with agent orange. Dow "experts" said the maximum we would see 
was plumes from the rivers extending perhaps as much as 50 miles out to sea 
before dilution was sufficient. The experts didn't know a fraction of what they 
thought they knew as usual. If you wondered why spraying was stopped that is 
why. Nothing is as arrogant and ignorant as an expert especially one with a 
vested interest.
 
Kirk

Marna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think most of Jared Diamonds thesis is well thought out, however, I think
his stumbling block is looking towards the current infrastructures to fix
the messes that they cause. I think that is faulty reasoning. Although I
do write my congress people on a regular basis, and have protested against
wars and such, I am under no illusion that any of these measures will
inevitably bring about the types of changes that will prevent ecological
collapse. Personally, I think that for ecological and civilizational
collapse to be averted, then some different system then the one we have now
will have to be put in place. A system that rewards ecological destruction
(as our system of societal organization does) will eventually collapse our
now global civilization. But up until this point, his thesis if quite
compelling.

An author who goes beyond Jared Diamond is Derrick Jensen (see Culture of
Make Believe). He new book (which you can download from his website
www.derrickjensen.org for a $5 subscription to his book club) is called
Endgame. He believes that civilizational collapse (as soon as possible) can
at least soften the effects of an inevitable ecological collapse. I
actually tracked down a lot of his sources, and reading the source material
was actually more sobering than his manuscript. In particular, the part
about the decline of phytoplankton. Apparently over the last 20 years, the
amount of phytoplankton in the world oceans have declined by 6%. Derrick
said something to the effect of 'if the phytoplankton decline its all over'
at a lecture I attended a year ago. I wanted to know what the heck that
meant, so I followed his sources back. Yikes! Apparently the phytoplankton
uptake CO2 in the atmosphere. As the temperature warms, phytoplankton die.
As phytoplankton die, less CO2 is trapped in the ocean. As less CO2 is
trapped in the ocean, the higher atmospheric temperature rises. And the
cycle starts again. You get the idea. Another sobering source material
point is that 90% of large fish in the ocean (defined as those larger than
an American Football) are gone. NINETY PERCENT!!! I checked his sources and
talked with the good Sea Shepherds (pirates for the sea creature--arg,
matey!) and found out he was right. Again very sobering revelations.

Thanks,
Marna



Philip wrote:

<
I read the whole editorial and quite poignant. My
local newspaper suggested everyone read the new book
"Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed" by
Jared Diamond. I read his previous Pulitzer
Prize-winning "Guns, Germs, and Steel."

http://www.booksellersnow.com/bsncollapse.htm
"Brilliant, illuminating, and immensely absorbing,
Collapse is destined to take its place as one of the
essential books of our time..."

The SF Chronicle has a good review:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2005/01/09/RVGR6AJC
CI1.DTL&type=books>>


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Re: [Biofuel] Kaliumhydroxide.

[Appal Energy]

better product yields (you avoid saponification and problems in the 
cleaning)


Potassium hydroxide will saponify as well as sodium hydroxide. Just that the 
soap is more soluble than sodium soaps. It's primarily used in manufacture 
of liquid soaps, whereas sodium is used in bar soaps.


The "softer" characteristic of potassium soaps is why the glyc cocktail 
doesn't harden as readily as when sodium is the catalyst.


Todd Swearingen

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From: "Stelios Terzakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kaliumhydroxide.


If you want the opinion of a chemist, i think that KOH wich i use gives 
better product yields (you avoid saponification and problems in the 
cleaning)


This means that in a production cycle it may be less expensive.

Stelios

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kaliumhydroxide.



KOH is more expensive so people tend to go cheaper.  I think both are
exothermic.

Andy

From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:06:18 -0600

KOH dissolves much more readily, exothermically in fact.  If you assume
that the NaOH and KOH  you are using are 100% each (which they are not)
the ratio of KOH  to NaOH varies by their formula weight  KOH is 56 that
of NaOH is 40 therefore you would use 56/40 times as much KOH by weight.
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[Biofuel] Collapse

[Marna]

I think most of Jared Diamonds thesis is well thought out, however, I think
his stumbling block is looking towards the current infrastructures to fix
the messes that they cause.  I think that is faulty reasoning.  Although I
do write my congress people on a regular basis, and have protested against
wars and such, I am under no illusion that any of these measures will
inevitably bring about the types of changes that will prevent ecological
collapse.  Personally, I think that for ecological and civilizational
collapse to be averted, then some different system then the one we have now
will have to be put in place.  A system that rewards ecological destruction
(as   our system of societal organization does) will eventually collapse our
now global civilization.  But up until this point, his thesis if quite
compelling.

An author who goes beyond Jared Diamond is Derrick Jensen (see Culture of
Make Believe).  He new book (which you can download from his website
www.derrickjensen.org for a $5 subscription to his book club) is called
Endgame.  He believes that civilizational collapse (as soon as possible) can
at least soften the effects of an inevitable ecological collapse.  I
actually tracked down a lot of his sources, and reading the source material
was actually more sobering than his manuscript.  In particular, the part
about the decline of phytoplankton.  Apparently over the last 20 years, the
amount of phytoplankton in the world oceans have declined by 6%.  Derrick
said something to the effect of 'if the phytoplankton decline its all over'
at a lecture I attended a year ago.  I wanted to know what the heck that
meant, so I followed his sources back.  Yikes!  Apparently the phytoplankton
uptake CO2 in the atmosphere.  As the temperature warms, phytoplankton die.
As phytoplankton die, less CO2 is trapped in the ocean.  As less CO2 is
trapped in the ocean, the higher atmospheric temperature rises.  And the
cycle starts again.  You get the idea.  Another sobering source material
point is that 90% of large fish in the ocean (defined as those larger than
an American Football) are gone. NINETY PERCENT!!!  I checked his sources and
talked with the good Sea Shepherds (pirates for the sea creature--arg,
matey!) and found out he was right.  Again very sobering revelations.

Thanks,
Marna



Philip wrote:

>


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[Biofuel] Attn.Todd Swearingen (forgive spelling)-first time batch-settling tank

[mark rose]

Hey Todd,Mark Rose here.Interested in your thoughts on my settling tank.If my 
milk tank,being cylindrical in shape,would not efficiently separate BD and 
glyc. what about a standard 200 gal home heating fuel barrel? This has a round 
bottom,flat sides and measures approx 2 feet wide by 5 feet long by 5 feet 
high.I think this should work if we pump most pure BD off the top of processor 
into tank. Whatever fuel is left on top of glyc can be separated after we dump 
glyc waste into another vessel.Does that sound feasible? Would that style 
tank,with appropriate drains,fittings etc. make a suitable settling vessel? We 
plan to remove a slice of steel from the tank and install a piece of lexan or 
plexy to use as a guage for drainage levels.
  Thanks again Todd...Mark

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Re: [Biofuel] Kaliumhydroxide.

[Stelios Terzakis]

better product yields (you avoid saponification and problems in the 
cleaning)


This means that in a production cycle it may be less expensive.

Stelios

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kaliumhydroxide.



KOH is more expensive so people tend to go cheaper.  I think both are
exothermic.

Andy

From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:06:18 -0600

KOH dissolves much more readily, exothermically in fact.  If you assume
that the NaOH and KOH  you are using are 100% each (which they are not)
the ratio of KOH  to NaOH varies by their formula weight  KOH is 56 that
of NaOH is 40 therefore you would use 56/40 times as much KOH by weight.
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Re: [Biofuel] Why do my messages show the date "1969-12-31"?

[Andrew Cunningham]

Martin,

Check out ID#42947 or search in [biofuel] for acusorb and sort by ID. 
Is there a gmail glitch to the code?

Andy


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> That is the Unix date of 'epoch'
> When life began.
> No, really there is a variable in all machines that has the number of
> seconds since Jan 1, 1970. So if the data is '1969-12-31', your clock is
> set to zero. It usually gets set to zero in an email address if the
> person sending the message has an outdated email client, or an
> intermediary mail server has problems.
> 
> Many times the archive [link below] cannot decipher the date from
> someone's email, but I wrote it to set the date to the current day
> instead of setting it to 1969, resulting in it being "less wrong".
> --
> Martin K
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> 
> bob allen wrote:
> > is that date some sort of default value if a computer clock screws up?
> > I see that date attached to mail to me every once in a while.
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Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent of Fear

[Martin Klingensmith]

I let Brian's "topic cop" message through so I could point out that it 
is not up to third parties to be the moderator. Please read this message:

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Discussion on this list is free and OPEN. Biofuels is a broad-ranging
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from many different cultures and more than a hundred countries, and
their views of what is on- or off-topic vary widely. This is the
majority view here. Those who call for restrictions are a tiny
minority - if we did it their way the majority would be deprived.
Keeping the discussions open deprives nobody and prevents nothing -
directly on-topic biofuels discussions continue unhindered all the
while. If people have problems with clogged email inboxes, they
should learn how to use filters - essential to using any email lists,
not just this one. For more info see:
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Some posts are definitely off-topic by any measure, but those posting
them know it and seldom stray too far. List members are mature people
and do not need nannying by topic-cops. Anyway, such digressions
often lead to discussion that's very much on-topic and would not
otherwise have arisen.

So:

NO TOPIC-COPS.

NO CALLS FOR RESTRICTED DISCUSSION.

These are list rules and they will be enforced.

Finally, regarding the two links at the bottom of every message you
receive, these:

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The first is the premier source of small-scale  biofuels information
on the Web. The second is a treasure house of  information on all
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messages over the last for years, many of them from leaders in the
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If you have biofuels questions, go ahead and ask, if there's
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Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent of Fear

[Phillip Wolfe]

Good points...my apologies submitted.


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Information on a book about how eco-meltdowns affect
> society being off
> topic?  I can't think of much that is more pertinent
> to the subject of
> biofuels.
> 
> Brian
> 
> > once again, way off subject... cmon guys, there's
> other places for this
> > isn't there? My apologies to the group for not
> "snipping" but to make the
> > point...
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent
> of Fear
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Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent of Fear

[btmd]

Information on a book about how eco-meltdowns affect society being off
topic?  I can't think of much that is more pertinent to the subject of
biofuels.

Brian

> once again, way off subject... cmon guys, there's other places for this
> isn't there? My apologies to the group for not "snipping" but to make the
> point...
> - Original Message -
> From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent of Fear
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Re: [Biofuel] Efficiency and expanded possibilities.

[Martin K]

that methane can be conveted to syngas, which can then be converted to 
methanol through the critical process, or through a zinc-slurry process:




direct conversion to methanol:


Methanol can be a good fuel as well, provided it comes from a renewable 
source.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Arttu, 

Could methane, easily produced from rotting biomass, be used to make 
propane?  It's easier and safer to handle than methane in transportation 
use, that's why ask.  They do it in making polymers, but that's with 
extremely long hydrocarbon-chains.


Rotting biomass produces a mix of gasses, rather difficult to separate
and clean up the methane to a grade capable of polymerization. But it is
done, as methane from natural gas/fermentation is used not to make propane 

but other stuff, mainly methanol. Propane's main source are the world's 
wells of oil and gas. Much cheaper than synthesized propane (still). 

There's also no real reason why not to use methane as road vehicle fuel. 
If it's hard to liquefy, use it compressed, the technology, is here, 
the Swedes and Italians are doing it for ages. Along with half of Asia ... 


Google "compogas" for a package example.

Cheers, Aleks


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Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent of Fear

[Martin K]

A common misconception among new list members is that the discussion 
only pertains to biofuels (who would have thought?) Anyway, read this 
message:




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A Lawrence wrote:

once again, way off subject... cmon guys, there's other places for this
isn't there? My apologies to the group for not "snipping" but to make the
point...



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Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent of Fear

[A Lawrence]

once again, way off subject... cmon guys, there's other places for this
isn't there? My apologies to the group for not "snipping" but to make the
point...
- Original Message - 
From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent of Fear


> Dear Bob,
>
> I read the whole editorial and quite poignant. My
> local newspaper suggested everyone read the new book
> "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed" by
> Jared Diamond. I read his previous Pulitzer
> Prize-winning "Guns, Germs, and Steel."
>
> http://www.booksellersnow.com/bsncollapse.htm
> "Brilliant, illuminating, and immensely absorbing,
> Collapse is destined to take its place as one of the
> essential books of our time..."
>
> The SF Chronicle has a good review:
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2005/01/09/RVGR6AJCCI1.DTL&type=books
>
>
>
> --- bmolloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi all, again,
> >Seems as if the media is at last
> > waking up to a few realities. Who would have
> > believed the the geriatric New York Times would ever
> > have run a story such as this.
> > Bob.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/opinion/10herbert.html
> >
> > New York TimesJanuary 10, 2005
> >
> > Op-Ed columnist
> >
> > The Scent of Fear
> >
> > By Bob Herbert
> >
> > The assembly line of carnage in George W. Bush's war
> > in Iraq continues
> > unabated. Nightmares don't last this long, so the
> > death and destruction must
> > be real. You know you're in serious trouble when the
> > politicians and the
> > military brass don't even bother suggesting that
> > there's light at the end of
> > the tunnel. The only thing ahead is a deep and
> > murderous darkness.
> >
> > With the insurgency becoming both stronger and
> > bolder, and the chances of
> > conducting a legitimate election growing grimmer by
> > the day, a genuine sense
> > of alarm can actually be detected in the
> > reality-resistant hierarchy of the
> > Bush administration.
> >
> > The unthinkable is getting a tentative purchase in
> > the minds of the
> > staunchest supporters of the war: that under the
> > current circumstances, and
> > given existing troop strengths, the U.S. and its
> > Iraqi allies may not be
> > able to prevail. Military officials are routinely
> > talking about a major U.S.
> > presence in Iraq that will last, at a minimum, into
> > the next decade. That is
> > not what most Americans believed when the Bush crowd
> > so enthusiastically
> > sold this war as a noble adventure that would be
> > short and sweet, and would
> > end with Iraqis tossing garlands of flowers at
> > American troops.
> >
> > The reality, of course, is that this war is like all
> > wars - fearsomely
> > brutal and tragic. The administration was jolted
> > into the realization of
> > just how badly the war was going by the brazen
> > suicide bombing just a few
> > days before Christmas inside a mess tent of a large
> > and supposedly heavily
> > fortified military base in Mosul. Fourteen American
> > soldiers and four
> > American contractors were among the dead.
> >
> > Seven American soldiers were killed last Thursday
> > when their Bradley armored
> > personnel carrier hit a roadside bomb in
> > northwestern Baghdad. Two U.S.
> > marines were killed the same day in Anbar.
> >
> > Brig. Gen. David Rodriguez told reporters at the
> > Pentagon on Friday of an
> > ominous new development in Iraq. "We've noticed in
> > the recent couple of
> > weeks," he said, "that the I.E.D.'s [improvised
> > explosive devices] are all
> > being built more powerfully, with more explosive
> > effort in a smaller number
> > of I.E.D.'s."
> >
> > Mr. Bush's so-called pre-emptive war, which has
> > already cost so many lives,
> > is being enveloped by the foul and unmistakable odor
> > of failure. That's why
> > the Pentagon is dispatching a retired four-star
> > general, Gary Luck, to Iraq
> > to assess the entire wretched operation. The hope in
> > Washington is that he
> > will pull a rabbit out of a hat. His mission is to
> > review the military's
> > entire Iraq policy, and do it quickly.
> >
> > I hope, as he is touring the regions in which the
> > U.S. is still using
> > conventional tactics against a guerrilla foe, that
> > he keeps in mind how
> > difficult it is to defeat local insurgencies, and
> > other indigenous forces,
> > as exemplified by such widely varying historical
> > examples as the French
> > experiences in Indochina and Algeria, the American
> > experience in Vietnam,
> > the Israeli experience in Lebanon, and so on.
> >
> > But even the fortuitously named General Luck will be
> > helpless to straighten
> > anything out in time for the Iraqi elections. The
> > commander of American
> > ground forces in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, made it
> > clear last week that
> > significant areas of four major provinces, which
> > to

Re: [Biofuel] Efficiency and expanded possibilities.

[bob allen]

Certainly not something you could do in your garage. It is simpler to 
use the methane itself.   The major drawback with methane as a 
transportation fuel is range.  Even highly compressed, it has a fairly 
low energy density.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Arttu, 

Could methane, easily produced from rotting biomass, be used to make 
propane?  It's easier and safer to handle than methane in transportation 
use, that's why ask. 


They do it in making polymers, but that's with


extremely long hydrocarbon-chains.

Rotting biomass produces a mix of gasses, rather difficult to separate
and clean up the methane to a grade capable of polymerization. But it is
done, as methane from natural gas/fermentation is used not to make propane 

but other stuff, mainly methanol. Propane's main source are the world's 
wells of oil and gas. Much cheaper than synthesized propane (still). 

There's also no real reason why not to use methane as road vehicle fuel. 
If it's hard to liquefy, use it compressed, the technology, is here, 
the Swedes and Italians are doing it for ages. Along with half of Asia ... 


Google "compogas" for a package example.

Cheers, Aleks



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[Biofuel] Tell automakers: Stop suing and start making clean cars - petition pour soutenir la loi sur l'air propre en Amerique du Nord

[Frantz DESPREZ]

qui devrait etre suivie par plusieurs etats et le Canada.



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But instead of doing their fair share to curb these 
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Eight states and Canada are already poised to join 
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RE: [Biofuel] OT -Autism One Radio interview January 13

[Peggy]

Hello Kirk,

I never said that these geriatric people with intact healthy amalgam
restorations were a standard of the average population.  I stated a
common scenario in my area which luckily happens for many people.  And
statistics often come from insurance companies which I don't find
reflective of my patients and are used as a frame of reference.  The
latest statistics are more like 7 to 8 years for amalgam and 5 to 6 for
composite restorations because of the new saliva inhibiting drugs and a
return of rampant caries in children especially children that take sinus
and asthma medications or mood changing drugs.

I will be in continuing ed this next week and those numbers will most
likely change again if you really want to continue this part of the
discussion and I wouldn't know why anyone would want to throw out the
numbers anyway.  What works in one person's mouth may not last in
another person's mouth.  It's related to chemistry and hygiene.  My best
resource is from Clinical Research Associates which includes fourteen
dental schools, and hundreds of collaborative practitioners.  These
dedicated professionals independently test methods and materials without
any affiliation to or with commercial companies.  It's a consumer's
guide to dental products.  The fourth generation composites now require
special processes and the second generation composites are being
re-evaluated as perhaps the best choice for durability.  

http://www.ada.org/public/media/releases/0412_release02.asp Here is the
latest bulletin: Panel Report Finds Health Claims Against Dental Amalgam
Lack Scientific Evidence and includes National Institutes of Health,
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Food and Drug Administration
and the U.S. Public Health Service reports.  Sort of strange that the
NIH is quoted for both sides of the coin in this report and sighted as
offering contra-indications in the one from your politician.  Well, I'm
more inclined to trust the health care experts over a politician.

Most all dental problems are caused by neglect.  Do your homework and
you can change your future history.  Do you drink a sugared drink?  Then
STOP.  Do you eat sugary snacks, suck on sugared lozenges or mints, or
chew sugar gum?  Well, you win the bumper sticker, "Eat more Candy,
Support your local dentist!"  Do you brush properly every night before
going to bed and floss?  Do you take/ do saliva inhibiting drugs? Do you
have regular dental check-ups so small problems are fixed before they
become big problems?  Well, there you go. If you want an uneventful
dental history, the formula for success is spelled out.  

See
http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/positions/statements/index.asp#amalgam
for the following topics:
Best Management Practices for Amalgam Waste
Statement by the ADA to the Government Reform Committee United States
House Of Representatives on "Mercury In Dental Amalgams: An Examination
Of The Science" 
ADA Statement on Dental Amalgam in Dental Office Wastewater 
ADA Statement on Dental Amalgam 
Statement by American Dental Association Executive Director Dr. James B.
Bramson on H.R.4163, the Mercury in Dental Fillings Disclosure and
Prohibition Act
American Dental Association's Comments on FDA's Proposed Rule and
Special Control Guidance on Dental Amalgam Products  

See http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/topics/materials/direct.asp to
understand why your dentist selects one product over another.  Actually,
most offices have every one of these on hand and uses the one that best
suits the situation meaning size, shape, function, aesthetics, and
longevity expectation for use.

The article on mercury from cremations is great.  I've burned my mouth
on hot food before, but usually don't melt my restorations all of which
are doing well after over 40 years of use having received my last
filling at age 19 and I'm now 60.  Wow, as a metallurgist I assume you
consider that the heat of reaction could offer a few process
considerations beyond chewing one's food.  Thanks for the laugh.

And the reference to the sighted dentist explains: Disclaimer of
Liability: DrHuggins.com is an educational resource designed to inform
the public about alternatives to traditional dental procedures and
materials. The ideas presented at DrHuggins.com are controversial and
disputed by mainstream dental professionals. No dentist-patient
relationship is established solely by the visitor's review of
DrHuggins.com or resources purchased at DrHuggins.com, and Dr. Huggins
expressly disclaims all liability arising out of the improper use of
information provided. Please consult your treating dentist or other
dental professional regarding these important health issues.

Here's to healthy smiles.  When I do my job correctly, I prevent dental
health problems and my patients understand.  Dentistry is one of the few
professions that tries to educate their clients (patients) to avoid
treatment through good home care.

Most likely, you won't read these references and mo

Re: [Biofuel] hey, need some licensing help

[Andrew Lowe]

  Hey

  just woundering if someone nows how to make, me making ethanol fuel
  from scratch, for my car, legal in South Australia, Australia
  (using a still)
  or direct me in the right direction

  thanx for any help

  TODD


I think this is what you are after

http://www.ato.gov.au/businesses/content.asp?doc=/content/52768.htm

Regards,
Andrew Lowe


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Re: [Biofuel] Efficiency and expanded possibilities.

[aleksander . kac]

Arttu, 

Could methane, easily produced from rotting biomass, be used to make 
propane?  It's easier and safer to handle than methane in transportation 
use, that's why ask.  They do it in making polymers, but that's with 
extremely long hydrocarbon-chains.

Rotting biomass produces a mix of gasses, rather difficult to separate
and clean up the methane to a grade capable of polymerization. But it is
done, as methane from natural gas/fermentation is used not to make propane 

but other stuff, mainly methanol. Propane's main source are the world's 
wells of oil and gas. Much cheaper than synthesized propane (still). 

There's also no real reason why not to use methane as road vehicle fuel. 
If it's hard to liquefy, use it compressed, the technology, is here, 
the Swedes and Italians are doing it for ages. Along with half of Asia ... 

Google "compogas" for a package example.

Cheers, Aleks



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Re: [Biofuel] "Collapse" was >The Scent of Fear

[Phillip Wolfe]

Dear Bob,

I read the whole editorial and quite poignant. My
local newspaper suggested everyone read the new book
"Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed" by
Jared Diamond. I read his previous Pulitzer
Prize-winning "Guns, Germs, and Steel."

http://www.booksellersnow.com/bsncollapse.htm
"Brilliant, illuminating, and immensely absorbing,
Collapse is destined to take its place as one of the
essential books of our time..."

The SF Chronicle has a good review:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2005/01/09/RVGR6AJCCI1.DTL&type=books



--- bmolloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> Hi all, again,
>Seems as if the media is at last
> waking up to a few realities. Who would have
> believed the the geriatric New York Times would ever
> have run a story such as this.
> Bob.
> 
> 
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/opinion/10herbert.html
> 
> New York TimesJanuary 10, 2005
> 
> Op-Ed columnist 
> 
> The Scent of Fear
> 
> By Bob Herbert 
> 
> The assembly line of carnage in George W. Bush's war
> in Iraq continues
> unabated. Nightmares don't last this long, so the
> death and destruction must
> be real. You know you're in serious trouble when the
> politicians and the
> military brass don't even bother suggesting that
> there's light at the end of
> the tunnel. The only thing ahead is a deep and
> murderous darkness.
> 
> With the insurgency becoming both stronger and
> bolder, and the chances of
> conducting a legitimate election growing grimmer by
> the day, a genuine sense
> of alarm can actually be detected in the
> reality-resistant hierarchy of the
> Bush administration.
> 
> The unthinkable is getting a tentative purchase in
> the minds of the
> staunchest supporters of the war: that under the
> current circumstances, and
> given existing troop strengths, the U.S. and its
> Iraqi allies may not be
> able to prevail. Military officials are routinely
> talking about a major U.S.
> presence in Iraq that will last, at a minimum, into
> the next decade. That is
> not what most Americans believed when the Bush crowd
> so enthusiastically
> sold this war as a noble adventure that would be
> short and sweet, and would
> end with Iraqis tossing garlands of flowers at
> American troops.
> 
> The reality, of course, is that this war is like all
> wars - fearsomely
> brutal and tragic. The administration was jolted
> into the realization of
> just how badly the war was going by the brazen
> suicide bombing just a few
> days before Christmas inside a mess tent of a large
> and supposedly heavily
> fortified military base in Mosul. Fourteen American
> soldiers and four
> American contractors were among the dead.
> 
> Seven American soldiers were killed last Thursday
> when their Bradley armored
> personnel carrier hit a roadside bomb in
> northwestern Baghdad. Two U.S.
> marines were killed the same day in Anbar.
> 
> Brig. Gen. David Rodriguez told reporters at the
> Pentagon on Friday of an
> ominous new development in Iraq. "We've noticed in
> the recent couple of
> weeks," he said, "that the I.E.D.'s [improvised
> explosive devices] are all
> being built more powerfully, with more explosive
> effort in a smaller number
> of I.E.D.'s."
> 
> Mr. Bush's so-called pre-emptive war, which has
> already cost so many lives,
> is being enveloped by the foul and unmistakable odor
> of failure. That's why
> the Pentagon is dispatching a retired four-star
> general, Gary Luck, to Iraq
> to assess the entire wretched operation. The hope in
> Washington is that he
> will pull a rabbit out of a hat. His mission is to
> review the military's
> entire Iraq policy, and do it quickly.
> 
> I hope, as he is touring the regions in which the
> U.S. is still using
> conventional tactics against a guerrilla foe, that
> he keeps in mind how
> difficult it is to defeat local insurgencies, and
> other indigenous forces,
> as exemplified by such widely varying historical
> examples as the French
> experiences in Indochina and Algeria, the American
> experience in Vietnam,
> the Israeli experience in Lebanon, and so on. 
> 
> But even the fortuitously named General Luck will be
> helpless to straighten
> anything out in time for the Iraqi elections. The
> commander of American
> ground forces in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, made it
> clear last week that
> significant areas of four major provinces, which
> together contain nearly
> half the population of the entire country, are not
> safe enough for people to
> vote.
> 
> "Today I would not be in much shape to hold
> elections in those provinces,"
> said General Metz.
> 
> With the war draining the military of the troops
> needed for commitments
> worldwide, the Pentagon is being forced to take
> extraordinary steps to
> maintain adequate troop strength. A temporary
> increase of 30,000 soldiers
> for the Army, already approved by Congress, will
> most likely be made
> permanent. The Pentagon is also considering plans to
> further change the
>

RE: [Biofuel] OT -Autism One Radio interview January 13

[Kirk McLoren]

One would hope beliefs have some foundation in reality. The reality of amalgam 
stability is not what you have stated. The average amalgam filling has a life 
of 5 to 15 years. I should know. I had to have enough of them replaced.
http://tuberose.com/Amalgam_Fillings.html 5.5 to 11.5
http://www.securiandental.com/cm_files/pdf/SD.FactSheet.Fillings.pdf  10 to 12 
years. This website is pro amalgam BTW
http://www.smilepage.com/controversies/amalgam_plastic.htm 
 A lifespan study of 2,035 fillings found
dental amalgams lasted on average 15 years,
while plastic composite fillings lasted about 8 years.
(SOURCE: The Journal of the American College of Dentists--1998)


http://www.drhuggins.com/default.asp?PageName=Informational%20-%20Amalgam%20Fillings

Although the average life span of amalgam fillings is only around five years, 
according to Dr. Leon Silverstone at the University of Colorado, some amalgam 
fillings have been known to last for up to 20 years. 

Up until recently, it was felt that the mercury stayed within the filling. Now 
it is known that mercury leaches out every minute of the day. 

http://www.cheforhealth.org/resources/background%20resources/Mercury%20Resources/CrematoriaEmissions.html

In a US Geological Survey report published in 2000, it was noted that the 
average life of a mercury amalgam filing is reported to be from 5 to 8 years, 
while in a 1995 article in a Swiss dental medicine journal, the average life 
was stated to be 10 years. In a 1991 article in Consumer Reports, however, the 
life of mercury fillings was given as 10-20 years. 

 

It seems 30 to 60 year life is not typical.

Lets look at another assertion

"When mercury is mixed in the alloy it is only in a free state for 2 to 5 
minutes."

The reality is it leaches. As a retired aerospace engineer I think I can assert 
my knowledge of metallurgy is adequate to comment on this. I can comfortably 
assert you are consummately wrong in this assertion. Next:

Your comment re fish is incorrect also

http://www.cfsn.com/ADArebut.html 

according to the NIH study about 90% of the mercury in our bodies is elemental 
mercury, not methyl-mercury, showing the exposure is more likely from dental 
amalgams rather than fish (6). 

I suggest all reading this communication read the above link as it is 
exhaustive. It was written by 

Boyd E. Haley
Professor and Chair
Department of Chemistry
University of Kentucky

I also would like to point out at this time that installing amalgam in someones 
mouth in Germany would result in the dentist losing his license to practice as 
well he should

AMALGAM fillings are to be officially classed as poisonous to the environment, 
even though they are deemed safe to put in people's mouths. I fail to see how 
EPA findings re toxicity are null and void once it crosses your gums. It's a 
logical extension to question whether amalgam is safe in your mouth when it is 
not recommended for the environment, obviously.

The truth in this matter is there has been damage done to many people and the 
ADA is culpable. If anyone expects at this late date that anyone  in the ADA or 
the trade is going to establish conditions (admission) for liability on a scale 
that makes the asbestos hearings look trivial has no understanding of how 
things work. 

Kirk



Peggy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Next they will be telling us there is no problem with amalgam fillings.

If I have ever noticed a consistency in studies it is there is never a
finding that would establish negligence. I wonder why that is so.

Kirk


Hello Kirk,

As Dr. Bob Allen pointed out in a recent review of a different email
about statements that are not well founded in other areas, I too find
that limited information may be coloring your predisposed inflammatory
statement about amalgam restorations in dentistry. Because of misguided
"advertising" of a few dentist and some not very well informed people in
the past, the issues of toxicity to humans who have silver restorations
has been extremely well researched via task force groups within the
dental profession and the US National Institute of Health as well as
private enterprise. "An inkling of where your author was going can be
seen in other links on his page" is a similar statement that may be
applied to whatever references you produce to uphold the claim that
amalgam restorations are detrimental to one's health. "He demonstrates a
rather limited understanding of physics, geology, thermodynamics, etc."
and the same understanding of dental health will be applied to the
misguided narratives from past inflammatory papers presented in regards
to dental health and amalgam fillings.

Because I have worked in the dental industry since 1962 as a researcher,
public health officer, and clinical practitioner, as well as being an
extremely health conscious person, there are a few interesting points
that should be considered concerning mercury and mercury poisoning. The
most common and largest influx of mercury into th

[Biofuel] polyacrylamide / superabsorbers

[R Del Bueno]

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[Biofuel] Acusorb Beads simply polyacrylamide?

[R Del Bueno]

gardening and AG markets?

http://www.watersorb.com



Polyacrylamide is sold under many different names:  Terra-Sorb ¨ , 
Hydrosource ¨, Hydro-mulch, water crystals, PAM, copolymer, Moist Soil¨, 
Aquasorb ¨, Agrosoke¨, Smart Soil ¨, Aquacrystalsú, 
Bioplexú,  Agro-diamonds ¨,




At 09:49 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote:

Hello Andy,

My experience w/ acusorb beads has been good and bad. The beads were
exhausted rapidly, however, I was using them without any pre treatment or
serious filtering beforehand. Before they were exhausted. I produced 400
gallons of beautiful biodiesel.

My opinion is still up in the air. Since I did not use them as instructed I
can hardly complain about the short life span. I think that the best use for
them is to remove the last traces of water from well filtered and mostly
dewatered oil. I have recently begun to use the .5 micron prefilter and it
does remove a good bit of water.

Once it is properly set up, I will report on how the beads progress.

Bill Clark
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From: "Andrew Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads


Hi,

I have read about Bill Clark's use of the beads and would like see how
they are doing now.  I am wondering if they are acting in an ion
exchange manner and get exhausted overtime.  I have read many people
suggest that the beads are one material or another, but does anyone
know what they are for sure?

I doubt they are silica gels or activated alumina since neither of
those two turn black at 350F.  Someone suggested that they are
superabsorber polymers, but have found little information to sway me
one way or another on that possibility.  I found reference to Sorbeads
and wonder if these are them, once again Ð not enough information.
I would love to get a sample analyzed and determine what they are
really made out of·.
Bill or anyone willing to send me a small sample?

Andy
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[Biofuel] was Acusorb Beads...Paper elements

[R Del Bueno]

mention that paper fuel filters should not be used for methyl esters.
Can anyone verify this?

To my knowledge..most folks out there have a final fuel filter made with 
paper elements (the metal can spin on units).
People running biodiesel (unmodified, non WVO/SVO) seem to usually use 
standard diesel fuel filters onboard...and most of these are paper, correct?


Even the WVO/SVO folks running Racor filters (Greasel), Webb/Racor Vormax 
Filters (Neoteric), and Greasecar's VW filter element...are these not all 
paper internally as well?




At 09:49 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote:

Hello Andy,

My experience w/ acusorb beads has been good and bad. The beads were
exhausted rapidly, however, I was using them without any pre treatment or
serious filtering beforehand. Before they were exhausted. I produced 400
gallons of beautiful biodiesel.

My opinion is still up in the air. Since I did not use them as instructed I
can hardly complain about the short life span. I think that the best use for
them is to remove the last traces of water from well filtered and mostly
dewatered oil. I have recently begun to use the .5 micron prefilter and it
does remove a good bit of water.

Once it is properly set up, I will report on how the beads progress.

Bill Clark
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads


Hi,

I have read about Bill Clark's use of the beads and would like see how
they are doing now.  I am wondering if they are acting in an ion
exchange manner and get exhausted overtime.  I have read many people
suggest that the beads are one material or another, but does anyone
know what they are for sure?

I doubt they are silica gels or activated alumina since neither of
those two turn black at 350F.  Someone suggested that they are
superabsorber polymers, but have found little information to sway me
one way or another on that possibility.  I found reference to Sorbeads
and wonder if these are them, once again Ð not enough information.
I would love to get a sample analyzed and determine what they are
really made out of·.
Bill or anyone willing to send me a small sample?

Andy
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Re: [Biofuel] Why do my messages show the date "1969-12-31"?

[Andrew Cunningham]

Oh No!

That is the first I heard of the Y2.038K bug!  We best all prepare for the end!

Andy


On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:34 -0500, John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin K wrote:
> > That is the Unix date of 'epoch'
> > When life began.
> > No, really there is a variable in all machines that has the number of
> > seconds since Jan 1, 1970. So if the data is '1969-12-31', your clock is
> > set to zero. It usually gets set to zero in an email address if the
> > person sending the message has an outdated email client, or an
> > intermediary mail server has problems.
> 
> Yup. And that brings us to the 2038 bug. On January 19, 2038 the 32-bit
> integer that stores the number of seconds* since the Unix epoch began
> rolls over. Then bad things happen...
> 
> ...unless we move everything to 64-bit unix time. The 64-bit time
> rollover is presumed not to be a problem because the sun will run out of
> hydrogen and turn into a white dwarf star first.
> 
> jh
> 
> *(2,147,483,647 in case you were wondering)
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads

[Bill Clark]

Hello Andy,

My experience w/ acusorb beads has been good and bad. The beads were
exhausted rapidly, however, I was using them without any pre treatment or
serious filtering beforehand. Before they were exhausted. I produced 400
gallons of beautiful biodiesel.

My opinion is still up in the air. Since I did not use them as instructed I
can hardly complain about the short life span. I think that the best use for
them is to remove the last traces of water from well filtered and mostly
dewatered oil. I have recently begun to use the .5 micron prefilter and it
does remove a good bit of water.

Once it is properly set up, I will report on how the beads progress.

Bill Clark
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads


Hi,

I have read about Bill Clark's use of the beads and would like see how
they are doing now.  I am wondering if they are acting in an ion
exchange manner and get exhausted overtime.  I have read many people
suggest that the beads are one material or another, but does anyone
know what they are for sure?

I doubt they are silica gels or activated alumina since neither of
those two turn black at 350F.  Someone suggested that they are
superabsorber polymers, but have found little information to sway me
one way or another on that possibility.  I found reference to Sorbeads
and wonder if these are them, once again – not enough information.

I would love to get a sample analyzed and determine what they are
really made out of….

Bill or anyone willing to send me a small sample?

Andy
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Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads

[Bill Clark]

Hello Andy,

A freind of mine is puting in a new stove and has promised me his old one. I
intend it for regenerating the beads I have. As soon as I can I will grab a
hand full and see what happens at 400 F.

Bill Clark
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:05 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads


> Hi,
>
> Someone recently replied,
> "I did a quick seach and it turned up this description of them:
>
> http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel.htm#techno
>
> It probably is a form of silica with the additional salts.  If I'm not=
>  mistaken industry refers to this as a molecular sieve."
>
> I doubt that these are zeolites, silica compounds, molecular sieves
> since they have to be regenerated at greater than 350F..  The
> description states that these beads turn black when heated over that.
> Could we ask Bill to take one and bake it at 400F and see if it turns
> black?  Please Bill :)
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Why do my messages show the date "1969-12-31"?

[John Hayes]

That is the Unix date of 'epoch'
When life began.
No, really there is a variable in all machines that has the number of 
seconds since Jan 1, 1970. So if the data is '1969-12-31', your clock is 
set to zero. It usually gets set to zero in an email address if the 
person sending the message has an outdated email client, or an 
intermediary mail server has problems.


Yup. And that brings us to the 2038 bug. On January 19, 2038 the 32-bit 
integer that stores the number of seconds* since the Unix epoch began 
rolls over. Then bad things happen...


...unless we move everything to 64-bit unix time. The 64-bit time 
rollover is presumed not to be a problem because the sun will run out of 
hydrogen and turn into a white dwarf star first.


jh

*(2,147,483,647 in case you were wondering)



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Re: [Biofuel] Supply List

[MH]

 
> But what happens when you
> canÕt heat your house or you have no electricity?
> How do you protect your pipes from exploding?


 For heating I use a woodstove or dress in lots of
 layers and blankets, quilts, wool caps/face masks, etc. 

 To drain the water lines I go downstairs and
 turn off the water main shut off valve and open the
 drain valve then open up the  highest level faucet at
 and press the car tire valve stem to the faucet down spout
 and the other end attached to my air tank or air compressor
 to to blow out the hot and cold water lines.
 As each faucet is done
 their turned off and proceed to the next one till all done. 
 Lastly, I hope the pipes haven't frozen yet and if
 they have, which happens every winter, I turn off
 the water main shut off valve and hope for the best. 

 As for in and outdoor lighting I use kerosene, oil lanterns
 purchased from the local department store using store bought
 lamp oil -- I like the odor.  These lamps get hot so be careful. 

 For example: 

 Dietz #20 Junior Cold Blast Lantern US$10.95 
 
http://www.lanternnet.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=WTK&Category_Code=DL
 
 ð 12" Height, 5 1/4" Base Diameter 
 ð Average 9 Candle Power, 5/8" Wick 
 ð 9 oz. Fount Capacity, 12 Hour Burning Time 
 ð Apprx. Thermal Output: 1100 BTU per Hour 
 ð Operates on Average at 4 Cents per Hour worth of Lamp Oil 

 W.T. Kirkman No. 1 Little Champ Cold Blast Lantern  US$14.95 
 http://207.36.111.69/wtkirkman.com.htm 
 ð 12" High, (Bail Up Height 16 1/4") 
 ð Average 9 Candle Power, (Maximum 12 c.p.)
 ð 9 oz. Fount Capacity, 12 Hour Burning Time
 ð Approx. Thermal Output: 1100 BTU per Hour 
 ð Operates on Average at 4 Cents per Hour worth of Lamp Oil 

 A much brighter and warmer option -- 

 Coleman 2-Mantle Dual Fuel Lantern With Case  US$65.00 
 
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=285-748T&categoryid=1015
 ð DualFuel lantern includes durable case with
tough, double wall construction
 ð Operation on Coleman fuel or unleaded gas
for up to 7 hours on high or 14 hours on low
 ð Fuel capacity: 1.3 pints  [about 21 oz. or less than
5 cents per hour with unleaded gasoline at US$2.00 a US gallon] 

   A helpful site for Coleman pressure lanterns is
   http://www.oldtownyucca.com/coleman/default.htm
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Re: [Biofuel] Why do my messages show the date "1969-12-31"?

[Martin K]

When life began.
No, really there is a variable in all machines that has the number of 
seconds since Jan 1, 1970. So if the data is '1969-12-31', your clock is 
set to zero. It usually gets set to zero in an email address if the 
person sending the message has an outdated email client, or an 
intermediary mail server has problems.


Many times the archive [link below] cannot decipher the date from 
someone's email, but I wrote it to set the date to the current day 
instead of setting it to 1969, resulting in it being "less wrong".

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bob allen wrote:
is that date some sort of default value if a computer clock screws up?   
I see that date attached to mail to me every once in a while.



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RE: [Biofuel] OT -Autism One Radio interview January 13

[Peggy]

Thanks for the note, Dr. Bob.

I sent a personal message before I read your reply as well including a
few tips for avoiding dental treatment if it is properly understood.  I
really appreciate your insight and knowledge base for this and other
issues.  You help keep the fringes from fraying.

Thank you.
Peggy

Kirk McLoren wrote:

>Next they will be telling us there is no problem with amalgam fillings.
>  
>
http://crobm.iadrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/8/4/410

note the last sentence of the abstract.  There in lies a big problem:  
How much proof is needed that an effect DOESN'T exist? 



Mercury exposure from dental amalgam fillings: absorbed dose and the
potential for adverse health effects

J. R. Mackert Jr and A. Berglund
Medical College of Georgia, Augusta 30912-1260, USA.

This review examines the question of whether adverse health effects are^

attributable to amalgam-derived mercury. The issue of absorbed dose of^ 
mercury from amalgam is addressed first. The use of intra-oral Hg vapor^

measurements to estimate daily uptake must take into account the^ 
differences between the collection volume and flow rate of the 
measuring^ instrument and the inspiratory volume and flow rate of air 
through the^ mouth during inhalation of a single breath. Failure to 
account for these^ differences will result in substantial overestimation

of the absorbed dose.^ Other factors that must be considered when making

estimates of Hg uptake^ from amalgam include the accurate measurement of

baseline (unstimulated)^ mercury release rates and the greater 
stimulation of Hg release afforded by^ chewing gum relative to ordinary 
food. The measured levels of^ amalgam-derived mercury in brain, blood, 
and urine are shown to be^ consistent with low absorbed doses (1-3 
micrograms/day). Published^ relationships between the number of amalgam 
surfaces and urine levels are^ used to estimate the number of amalgam 
surfaces that would be required to^ produce the 30 micrograms/g 
creatinine urine mercury level stated by WHO to^ be associated with the 
most subtle, pre-clinical effects in the most^ sensitive individuals. 
 From 450 to 530 amalgam surfaces would be required^ to produce the 30 
micrograms/g creatinine urine mercury level for people^ without any 
excessive gum-chewing habits. The potential for adverse health^ effects 
and for improvement in health following amalgam removal is also^ 
addressed. Finally, the issue of whether any material can ever be^ 
completely exonerated of claims of producing adverse health effects is^ 
considered.

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RE: [Biofuel] OT -Autism One Radio interview January 13

[Peggy]

Next they will be telling us there is no problem with amalgam fillings.
 
If I have ever noticed a consistency in studies it is there is never a
finding that would establish negligence. I wonder why that is so.
 
Kirk


Hello Kirk,

As Dr. Bob Allen pointed out in a recent review of a different email
about statements that are not well founded in other areas, I too find
that limited information may be coloring your predisposed inflammatory
statement about amalgam restorations in dentistry.  Because of misguided
"advertising" of a few dentist and some not very well informed people in
the past, the issues of toxicity to humans who have silver restorations
has been extremely well researched via task force groups within the
dental profession and the US National Institute of Health as well as
private enterprise.  "An inkling of where your author was going can be
seen in other links on his page" is a similar statement that may be
applied to whatever references you produce to uphold the claim that
amalgam restorations are detrimental to one's health. "He demonstrates a
rather limited understanding of physics, geology, thermodynamics, etc."
and the same understanding of dental health will be applied to the
misguided narratives from past inflammatory papers presented in regards
to dental health and amalgam fillings.

Because I have worked in the dental industry since 1962 as a researcher,
public health officer, and clinical practitioner, as well as being an
extremely health conscious person, there are a few interesting points
that should be considered concerning mercury and mercury poisoning.  The
most common and largest influx of mercury into the human body comes from
eating fish.  Several cleansing health foods assist in the elimination
of heavy metals such as eating Miso soup to reduce heavy metals in a
body.

Now, until you can quote the chemistry as related to cellular biology,
please don't quote misguided camouflage distortion.  I recall reading a
book in the 1960's about the dangers of fluoride that sited numerous
chemicals that contained fluoride that were not ever consumed or
topically applied by humans or any mammals.  Such inflammatory nonsense
is not scientifically sound.  Reliable university-based research as well
as independent research overwhelmingly supports the benefits of amalgam
restorations and the use of fluorides in inhibiting both dental decay
and reducing the anaerobic bacteria associated with periodontal disease.

Because several dentists took up the effort to eliminate amalgam
restorations under the ploy of total body health, researchers have a
wealth of material to support the use of amalgam fillings as not only an
acceptable restoration, but also as the restoration of choice in many
instances.  I feel that these dentists wanted to create business for the
sake of production.  At this time in the United States, legal
ramifications can be levied against a dentist who purports to increase
health benefits to a person by removing amalgam fillings or suggesting
that a change in fillings will impact their health benefits.  This was
all worked out over five years ago.

Why did it come to this?  Answer: Because people don't want to take
responsibility for their own health issues.   From my personal
observations, the greatest oral health risks that can effect people's
general health at this time are as follows:
1. Saliva inhibiting drugs are causing an extraordinary number of
problems including but not limited to the following: (Read the label--if
it says "may decrease saliva", please consider it only a temporary fix.
Long term use is detrimental to your dental health.)
Rampant decay
Root decay and the breaking of teeth
Acid reflux
Digestion problems
Gingivitis and accelerated periodontal disease onset
2.  Periodontal disease and its related cardio-vascular stress
susceptibility
If the total area of chronically inflamed gingivae is
calculated, it is possible for a large number of people to have open
lesions the size of one's palm in their mouth!  Bleeding points are
infections!
3.  Improper diets that are not providing adequate nutrition, vitamins
and minerals and/ or an influx of cariogenic (cavity forming) foods
(sugar and carbohydrates) that may also be left in contact with the
enamel and dentin are reflected as dental decay and periodontal disease.

Removal of amalgam fillings requires replacements.  Alternative fillings
are now experiencing many times the sensitivity, degradation of filling
materials, leakage, and onset of endodontic procedures than were ever
experienced with amalgam restorations.   Current dental continuing
education seminars focus on "problems related to composite
restorations".  Substituting inlays, onlays, and full coverage by crowns
destroys tooth structure and these options have their inherent problems
specifically related to luting agents and leakage.

It's back to beliefs.  If you believe that health and medical p

Re: [Biofuel] Why do my messages show the date "1969-12-31"?

[bob allen]

I see that date attached to mail to me every once in a while.

Martin K wrote:




Andrew Cunningham wrote:

I know it must have been one heck of a new years party but I wasn't 
alive yet.


Andy



Hi Andy,
I saw a normal date on this message. Where are you seeing that?




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RE: [Biofuel] Dist ribution of: Was:Dust Supressants, Biodiesel, and B100 Soy

[Phillip Wolfe]

Dave,

Thanks for the response.  Yes, hope your friend
proceeds.  The issue of a benign dust surpressant
seems to be of importance.  During my ag days I recall
my fellow farmers pouring diesel on dirt roads. 
Glycerine byproduct or similar appears to be a
reasonable alternative.

Like any other product the issue of the "distribution"
of that product a key part of market transformation.

In the U.S., The C-Store/gas station industry taught
me much about the importance of widespread
distribution; with arranged deals, agreements,
partnerships, jobbers, distributors.  It was quite
fascinating.  

Maybe one day the biofuel readers on this listserve
can have their own little business (such as some
already do) and promote bio products in their area.

Does anyone know how to do a licensing agreement? :)

Thanks and good luck.




--- Dave Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Phillip,
> 
> I don't have any links, but that is certainly an
> interesting prospect. 
> 
> When he returns to the country, a friend of mine is
> eager to work with
> his air quality management district to apply
> glycerin on dirt roads as a
> means of reducing dust. This could be yet another
> use for some of that
> glycerin by-product. 
> 
> - Dave
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:44 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Biofuel] Dust Supressants, Biodiesel, and
> B100 Soy
> 
> Dear Readers:  The San Joaquin Valley of California
> has problems with air quality.  I read that
> "dust","ag-related dust, and "dust related to
> construction activities" contribute to sources of
> particulate matter.
> 
> Traditionally the regular petroleum oils and/or
> water
> are used to supress dust - especially on ag land. I
> that soy dust supressants and/or B50 or B100 can
> provide solution.
> 
> Any information or weblinks kindly appreciated.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Why do my messages show the date "1969-12-31"?

[Martin K]

Andrew Cunningham wrote:

I know it must have been one heck of a new years party but I wasn't alive yet.

Andy


Hi Andy,
I saw a normal date on this message. Where are you seeing that?

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