Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
You forget that in order to produce power we must have relative motion between the rotor and the air. A kiting rotor will give this. An aircraft, all other things being equal, doesn't know whether it's in the jet stream or in still air. We produce forward motion of the aircraft *through the air* by an *input* of power, or by gliding - a loss of height through the air - which may be no loss, or a gain, relative to the ground if the air is moving up, when the aircraft is said to be soaring. I read years ago that there is a region at the edge of the jetstream where the air is moving up; power could be generated by an aircraft flying here. Whether enough power to be worthwhile I don't know. and I rather doubt it. One would then have the problem of storing the energy captured and moving it to where it could be useful. Rather than trying to think of capyring energy where it is heavily concentrated but very hard to capture I think we would be better off to work on capturing it where it is cheapest on balance. Wind turbines on towers are a pretty good compromise for areas with stronger winds. There are many areas where wind power is the cheapest, or competitive, especially when we account for the external costs of other energy sources. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Party of Citizens wrote: While all these serious scientists are at work, the imagineering too tyempting to pass up. We now have a solar-powered non-piloted airplane which can stay aloft indefinitely. Imagine aircraft like this with wind turbines built it and rugged enough to stay aloft in the jet stream and follow its change in course as well. POC [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
That's a typo, right? Was supposed to be routing the country? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines NE Colorado has a lot of wind and allot of grassland. Well, the same can be said of Washington D.C.. Or at least there must be a lot of grassland nearby to propigate the amount of manure there. But still, no wind turbines or anaerobic digesters to be found. Actually, there are a lot of anaerobic digesters walking around DC. Unfortunately, they are not being used for what they are best at. Instead, they are running the country. At least that's what they call it. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
It's been a while, last time I was up that direction, it wasn't much, I take it, that it has grown? Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 16:53 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines I have driven past the large wind farm just south of cheyenne, WY and its quite a sight! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
I know the plane exist, but, an electric aircraft with electrical wind generators, that generates more power than it consumes, is. And your right about it falling out of the sky, it can barely get out of it's own way when conditions are optimum which they never for long.Did you see pictures of the last attempt?Let's just say, it now an industrial size jigsaw puzzle, with many tiny pieces. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 16:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines It's not a perpetual motion machine (the solar plane). It consumes solar power, converting it to mechanical enegry. Once the sun goes out the plan stops flying (along with a great deal other things stopping). ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
lean. Actually, in all fairness, there are a few dairies in the beltway area. Problem is it's the government teat (to be read taxpayer's wallet) that's being milked. Sure would like to see the economics of politics get ratcheted down a half-dozen notches to something that resembles living within a country's means. Gonna' be pure hell paying back those credit cards for the next 150 years. Legislated slavery. Thought we were supposed to have gotten beyond that seven or eight wars back. - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Feed lots have a lot of manure to, but, no grass. So like feedlots, politicians must be fed, good feed, only to turn it into manure. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 14:24 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines NE Colorado has a lot of wind and allot of grassland. Well, the same can be said of Washington D.C.. Or at least there must be a lot of grassland nearby to propigate the amount of manure there. But still, no wind turbines or anaerobic digesters to be found. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
http://www.photonics.com/spectra/tech/XQ/ASP/techid.1219/QX/read.htm The next stage was to configure it with a battery pack to keep it aloft after sunset. One stated use is to make such planes orbiting communications platforms that can be serviced regularly. Something tells me that it won't all be legit / commercial business though. - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Don't want to rain on your parade, but, perpetual motion machines don't exist. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 13:32 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines While all these serious scientists are at work, the imagineering too tyempting to pass up. We now have a solar-powered non-piloted airplane which can stay aloft indefinitely. Imagine aircraft like this with wind turbines built it and rugged enough to stay aloft in the jet stream and follow its change in course as well. POC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Reply: [Biofuel] As it Relates to Biofuels Monsanto AssaultonU.S. Farmers Detailed in New Report
A link to several organic farms and suppliers in the US; http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/usorganics.html#american Hit the back botton for other areas (Canada, Europe, Russia) Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Reply: [Biofuel] As it Relates to Biofuels Monsanto AssaultonU.S. Farmers Detailed in New Report Non-GMO, organic soy flour and milk is available. That means oil and bean would also be available. Shouldn't be too hard to find a source. Whether or not that source is within your region may be another matter. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Reply: [Biofuel] As it Relates to Biofuels Monsanto Assault onU.S. Farmers Detailed in New Report Keith, Thanks, I will read ALL your weblinks. The question I now ask myself: Is it possible to purchase soy that is NOT a bioengineered soy? Why? I want a real soy bean that has not been GMO'd with 35s promotor. The 35s promotor is really a derivative of the Mosaic Virus..which is hell on wheels in the gene world. Here is what I found on JTF. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/40908/ I plan to do additional research on the 35s promotor. I want a Mother Nature engineered soybean and claim this on my biodiesel for my future clean fuel gas station. Thanks Phillip Wolfe --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Phillip Kieth, I read and re-read all 84 pages of this paper. My corn growing buddy from Minnesota warned me and my Californian farming buddies about this five years ago. I read that GMO'd plants (supplied by Monsanto) are in 85% of all U.S. soy acreage, 45% of all US corn acreage, 76% of all U.S cotton, 84% of U.S. canola. The EU does not allow any GMO'd crop into EU. So far. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/20877/ Bushfood This issue is not all that different to what Bob's talking about with Bruce Gagnon's piece, Oil politics trumps everything, lots in common: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050110/004788.html These are useful websites on this subject: http://www.ngin.org.uk GM WATCH / Norfolk Genetic Information Network / GMOs / genetic engineering / GM foods http://www.gmwatch.org/p1temp.asp?pid=1page=1 GMWatch.org http://www.i-sis.org.uk/index.php The Institute of Science In Society The Biofuel list archives is also a useful resource on GMOs. Thanks for the notes. I should add that the use of pesticides with these crops, RRsoy etc, has increased, not decreased as promised. Every single promise has been broken. And a useful and safe organic pesticide has been ruined, and, probably, turned into a peril instead: Bacillus thuringiensis. I've used it a few times, used as you say, mixed with water and sprayed. It works very well. Regarding Monsanto and its tactics, have a look at these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33126/ The Fake Parade http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4412987,00.html The fake persuaders Corporations are inventing people to rubbish their opponents on the internet Best wishes Keith Here are my rough notes from the 84 page report: --Monsanto makes genetically altered germ plasm with Bacillus thurengisis (B). But the Bt is inserted and spliced in the germplasm...not allowed to do naturallyMonsanto does it with DNA splicing called 35S promoter. A promoter is a short sequence at the beginning of the gene that is necessary for the gene to make it's product. Monsanto is the holder of the 35S promoter patent. --My further research on the Internet shows that the 35S DNA promoter is now found to full of retroviruses I found nifty website that talks about this: http://www.biotech-info.net/enhancing_debate.html --It has become difficult if not impossible, to find high quality, conventional non-bioengineered varieties of corn, soy, and cotton seed. --Farmers who sign technology agreements with Monsanto and use Monsanto's bioengineered seeds fall under strict agreements and intellectual infringement liabilities. --Nearby farmers can get sued even if they don't have with cross pollinated and thus contaminated volunteer plants are up for liability. Main Points: Monsanto exerted market control over seed germplasm; by buying up other seed companies including Calgene, Inc., Asgrow Agronomics, Asgrow and Stine Seed, Agracetus, Holdens Foundation Seeds, Inc., Delta and Pine Land, Monsoy (a Brazilian soybean company), Cargills international seed divisions (with operations in Asia, Africa, Europe and Central and South America), Plant Breeding International, and DeKalb Genetics (the worlds second largest seed company). Acquired a multitude of patents on both genetic engineering techniques and genetically engineered seed varieties Required that any farmer purchasing its seed must first sign an agreement
Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
- Original Message - From: R Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip Last night, in Atlanta, GA, we experienced a pretty unexpected temperature drop to around 24 degF, which caught a few B100 folks by surprise this morning. A friend of mine who had 1/2 a tank of b100 in his 2005 Jetta TDI wagon hopped in his car, drove about a block, and stalled out. No way that solid block of fuel was moving. Is your friend aware that the fuel pump in his '05 TDI may not be BD friendly ? There have been several posts here about that. From what I gathered it might even void the warranty, if that is a concern. So... I met him with 5 gallons of petrodiesel and some diesel fuel anti gelling additive and hoped we could get things flowing. No luck. So... after wishing we had a hair dryer to warm up the fuel filter (and IP, lines, etc)..we had an idea... Off we ran to the hardware store for an 8' length of laundry dryer flex hose, and some foil tape. Hooked the hose to the exhaust of my 86 Ford Ranger (turbo diesel)...stuffed it under the hood of the jetta (as the bottom the car has a bunch of cowling)..and sat in the warm Ford for about 20 minutes. After a few attempts..The engine fired up! Ingenuity, gotta love it. I once saw a guy who needed to haul off a long piece of pipe but only had a cra so he used two towels, wrapped the pipe in them and then jammed them in the windows and off he went. It stalled out moments later, but one more try got it up and running. Soon the 50/50 blend with additive was flowing, and it was smooth sailing. Just thought I'd pass along the experience. Thanks for sharing. i am in the middle of playing around with a test batch and the freezer :-) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
-- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Greg Harbican wrote: Don't want to rain on your parade, but, perpetual motion machines don't exist. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 13:32 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines While all these serious scientists are at work, the imagineering too tyempting to pass up. We now have a solar-powered non-piloted airplane which can stay aloft indefinitely. Imagine aircraft like this with wind turbines built it and rugged enough to stay aloft in the jet stream and follow its change in course as well. POC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor
I only have a couple and they are ball valves.Others all metal. Luc - Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor Interesting, we used PVC valves on our oil lines and a few other places and just chewed right through them. There was one model that seemed to hold up better it had a blade style valve handle as I recall but we kept poping valve handles off all the rest of them. We were purchasing from ACE Hardware (couldn't tell who made them), maybe your manufacturer has different specs. kk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] searching for Biodiesel production on the Sunshine Coast, Australia
G'day, I'm not on the Sunshine Coast, But at Beenleigh. Chris Kelly 22 Woodbeck Street Beenleigh Q 4207 07 3807 8809 - Original Message - From: Alexander Kohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: [Biofuel] searching for Biodiesel production on the Sunshine Coast,Australia Hello, is there someone at the Sunshine Coast in Australia who produces Biodiesel? I would like to get in touch. Kind regards Alexander Alexander Kohl 1/7 Dingle Avenue Kings Beach, QLD 4551 07 5491 1667 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
They have these great propane heaters up on the north slope you stick under a backhoe or crane or bulldozer to crank them. On REALLY cold nights they never turn them off. But the heaters are pretty common in Alaska and some tow companies have them on their tow trucks. Mel This is a GREAT idea and one I will park in my mind for future use. :) -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip G'da Sr Del Bueno; - Original Message - From: R Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip Last night, in Atlanta, GA, we experienced a pretty unexpected temperature drop to around 24 degF, which caught a few B100 folks by surprise this morning. A friend of mine who had 1/2 a tank of b100 in his 2005 Jetta TDI wagon hopped in his car, drove about a block, and stalled out. No way that solid block of fuel was moving. Is your friend aware that the fuel pump in his '05 TDI may not be BD friendly ? There have been several posts here about that. From what I gathered it might even void the warranty, if that is a concern. So... I met him with 5 gallons of petrodiesel and some diesel fuel anti gelling additive and hoped we could get things flowing. No luck. So... after wishing we had a hair dryer to warm up the fuel filter (and IP, lines, etc)..we had an idea... Off we ran to the hardware store for an 8' length of laundry dryer flex hose, and some foil tape. Hooked the hose to the exhaust of my 86 Ford Ranger (turbo diesel)...stuffed it under the hood of the jetta (as the bottom the car has a bunch of cowling)..and sat in the warm Ford for about 20 minutes. After a few attempts..The engine fired up! Ingenuity, gotta love it. I once saw a guy who needed to haul off a long piece of pipe but only had a cra so he used two towels, wrapped the pipe in them and then jammed them in the windows and off he went. It stalled out moments later, but one more try got it up and running. Soon the 50/50 blend with additive was flowing, and it was smooth sailing. Just thought I'd pass along the experience. Thanks for sharing. i am in the middle of playing around with a test batch and the freezer :-) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Register Now for the Grassroots Biodiesel Conference!
Hello Keith, I sent a personal response directly to you so as not to bore the list with our exchange of nuisances of interpretation. Feel free to hit the delete button if this is not offering helpful belief insights. That's what a delete button is for. I thought I could share a few ideas about beliefs that are list worthy. Food for thought: History is written according to the present beliefs of a historian in HIS time. Organizing information to fit a pattern attempts to confirm basic beliefs. A person needs to trust ones self, ones body, and the natural world. Within the world there are compensating creative earth patterns. And therefore, we sometimes use objective views or present unfortunate aspects of pessimism. Because life is constructed within a framework, it is possible to alter our psychic organization to take a new probable road. Generally, people are taught to concentrate on man's weaknesses emphasizing errors and stupid ness. An objective view becomes a compounded and composed view. A statement concerning direct experience: What have YOU personally encountered or are you relying on a secondary source? When a mindset watches for news of ___fill-in-the-blank___, or dwells on certain attitudes, it distorts the life experience. It is possible to drop the armor for it is not needed in the real world. Second hand news is distorted news. The world is not a Freudian and/ or Darwinian monster sick in body and insane of mind. Beliefs in negativity shut a person off from creative potency. It is an error to worry in anticipation. The Framework of Forever will reinforce beliefs. DO NOT TAKE COUNSEL FROM YOUR FEARS. These comments are paraphrased from the work of Jane Roberts and illustrate the other side of the coin from my pervious attempt to look ahead to positive results simply for forging ahead. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
Todd: Sure would like to see the economics of politics get ratcheted down a half-dozen notches to something that resembles living within a country's means. Hello Todd, Just a note about a few demonstrations that are being activated... There is now a push with the Department of Agriculture to eliminate subsidies (and that's another issue). However, they are reviewing proposals to highlight farmers who are living within their means and offering smaller production facilities. A few examples are as follows: Small dairies can produce their own distiller's grain and use the fuel ethanol that is produced in the process as fuel for running irrigation pumps or producing biodiesel and the systems also generate electricity for farm use while producing the fuel ethanol. One Arkansas farmer plans to demonstrate this as an exemplary model starting this spring. Also, a crop rotation program between corn and sugar beet can provide feedstock for small fuel ethanol facilities across Montana and eliminate the need for subsidies. The best part is that farmers can have the option to either sell to the sugar producers or produce fuel ethanol--whichever offers the best market value. Another subsidy elimination demonstration project is being planned for sugar cane growers in South Texas. Changes in traditional agricultural practices within the past few decades are planned. Awareness and attention to the successes can make a huge difference right now. Hopefully, this kind of self-sufficient activity will snowball into general acceptance and the producer retains his individuality in the process. It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
An electrically powered machine, that produces more electricity than it uses, is a perpetual motion machine, even if it flies. Solar powered aircraft fly, only through the use of the best conducting wire, the strongest rare earth permanent magnets and solar cells with the highest power to weight ratio, not to mention an extremely aerodynamic shape, a extremely small payload capability, and safety margins that are non-existent ( not to mention more than a few prayers ).All it takes is one thing to go wrong, and it falls out of the sky.I know they are around I just don't think they are going to amount to anything other that aerial reconnaissance or temporary communications relay platforms for an very long time. It doesn't matter how many solar cells you put on a aircraft, it not going to be aerodynamic fit enough, to fly into the middle of the jet stream, with a couple of wind turbines on it. Once ' room temperature supper conductor wire ', becomes an everyday item, then there is a chance, but, only a chance.I'm not going to hold my breath.Every time I see someone promoting something like Helios as the next step, I have to wonder, what is the ecological cost of such an item? What is the ecological cost of making More than 62,000 bifacial solar cells , when all it takes is a single bad electrical connection, a bit of radio interference ( static ), to turn it in to expensive ( but useless ) rubble ? If you want innovation, as far as long distance and endurance is concerned, look the company that has set the standard for long endurance flights - Scaled Composites, and the next record breaking aircraft GlobalFlyer. 1 man.Solo.Around the world.Non-stop. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 18:01 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Solar glider/airplanes do :) -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] hydroxide - what are you using?
Biodiesel homebrewers, what hydroxide are you using, sodium or potassium? If you have switched from one to another, are the results any better? Anyone ethyl esters yet - single stage, two stage, mistery process? Just wondering, I switched from sodium to potassium hydroxide. The wash seems a little easier. Ethyl esters - no conversion at all with potassium ethoxide (99% ethanol) IPA esters with potassium methoxide as catalyst - no conversion, turned everything solid Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Register Now for the Grassroots Biodiesel Conference!
I suggest you hold up a mirror to yourself Peggy. That and what was actually said and done should suffice, as the archives will attest. I'll leave it at that. Keith Hello Keith, I sent a personal response directly to you so as not to bore the list with our exchange of nuisances of interpretation. Feel free to hit the delete button if this is not offering helpful belief insights. That's what a delete button is for. I thought I could share a few ideas about beliefs that are list worthy. Food for thought: History is written according to the present beliefs of a historian in HIS time. Organizing information to fit a pattern attempts to confirm basic beliefs. A person needs to trust ones self, ones body, and the natural world. Within the world there are compensating creative earth patterns. And therefore, we sometimes use objective views or present unfortunate aspects of pessimism. Because life is constructed within a framework, it is possible to alter our psychic organization to take a new probable road. Generally, people are taught to concentrate on man's weaknesses emphasizing errors and stupid ness. An objective view becomes a compounded and composed view. A statement concerning direct experience: What have YOU personally encountered or are you relying on a secondary source? When a mindset watches for news of ___fill-in-the-blank___, or dwells on certain attitudes, it distorts the life experience. It is possible to drop the armor for it is not needed in the real world. Second hand news is distorted news. The world is not a Freudian and/ or Darwinian monster sick in body and insane of mind. Beliefs in negativity shut a person off from creative potency. It is an error to worry in anticipation. The Framework of Forever will reinforce beliefs. DO NOT TAKE COUNSEL FROM YOUR FEARS. These comments are paraphrased from the work of Jane Roberts and illustrate the other side of the coin from my pervious attempt to look ahead to positive results simply for forging ahead. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydroxide - what are you using?
glycerin as fertilizer on my fruit trees... DB - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] hydroxide - what are you using? Biodiesel homebrewers, what hydroxide are you using, sodium or potassium? If you have switched from one to another, are the results any better? Anyone ethyl esters yet - single stage, two stage, mistery process? Just wondering, I switched from sodium to potassium hydroxide. The wash seems a little easier. Ethyl esters - no conversion at all with potassium ethoxide (99% ethanol) IPA esters with potassium methoxide as catalyst - no conversion, turned everything solid Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor
They came from Ace Hardware. The ones I use now have solid red plastic handles and they come from home depot..DB - Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor Interesting, we used PVC valves on our oil lines and a few other places and just chewed right through them. There was one model that seemed to hold up better it had a blade style valve handle as I recall but we kept poping valve handles off all the rest of them. We were purchasing from ACE Hardware (couldn't tell who made them), maybe your manufacturer has different specs. kk DB wrote: I have four BD reactors. All of them have 3/4 in PVC valves. I have been making biodiesel since 12/03 (over 2000 gal.) The valves work fine. and have never been replaced...DB - Original Message - From: Dana Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor Hello Good People; With regard to Girl Marks Appleseed Processor; is there any reason why the plumbing could not be done with PVC (the more chem/heat resistant variety) pipe? Cheers, Dana Knight Boulder, CO KOR technologies Dana Knight 110 Seminole Dr Boulder, CO 80303 720 304 3170 ofc 720 221 0630 fax 303 884 7266 mbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
They have diesel fired coolant heaters too. For several hundred dollars you can preheat the car's engine up to near operating temperature before you even turn it over. It should save quite a bit on wear and tear. Of course, when you take off remember to still take it easy as the transmission is still cold. Andy On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:34:07 -0600, Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have these great propane heaters up on the north slope you stick under a backhoe or crane or bulldozer to crank them. On REALLY cold nights they never turn them off. But the heaters are pretty common in Alaska and some tow companies have them on their tow trucks. Mel This is a GREAT idea and one I will park in my mind for future use. :) -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip G'da Sr Del Bueno; - Original Message - From: R Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip Last night, in Atlanta, GA, we experienced a pretty unexpected temperature drop to around 24 degF, which caught a few B100 folks by surprise this morning. A friend of mine who had 1/2 a tank of b100 in his 2005 Jetta TDI wagon hopped in his car, drove about a block, and stalled out. No way that solid block of fuel was moving. Is your friend aware that the fuel pump in his '05 TDI may not be BD friendly ? There have been several posts here about that. From what I gathered it might even void the warranty, if that is a concern. So... I met him with 5 gallons of petrodiesel and some diesel fuel anti gelling additive and hoped we could get things flowing. No luck. So... after wishing we had a hair dryer to warm up the fuel filter (and IP, lines, etc)..we had an idea... Off we ran to the hardware store for an 8' length of laundry dryer flex hose, and some foil tape. Hooked the hose to the exhaust of my 86 Ford Ranger (turbo diesel)...stuffed it under the hood of the jetta (as the bottom the car has a bunch of cowling)..and sat in the warm Ford for about 20 minutes. After a few attempts..The engine fired up! Ingenuity, gotta love it. I once saw a guy who needed to haul off a long piece of pipe but only had a cra so he used two towels, wrapped the pipe in them and then jammed them in the windows and off he went. It stalled out moments later, but one more try got it up and running. Soon the 50/50 blend with additive was flowing, and it was smooth sailing. Just thought I'd pass along the experience. Thanks for sharing. i am in the middle of playing around with a test batch and the freezer :-) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydroxide - what are you using?
NaOH only so far with methanol. Once I figure that I have worked out,and conquered, the maximum amount of variables to my satisfaction then I shall investigate the KOH avenue and possibly also the two stage method, but for now it is straight one stage and the learning curve. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:49 AM Subject: [Biofuel] hydroxide - what are you using? Biodiesel homebrewers, what hydroxide are you using, sodium or potassium? If you have switched from one to another, are the results any better? Anyone ethyl esters yet - single stage, two stage, mistery process? Just wondering, I switched from sodium to potassium hydroxide. The wash seems a little easier. Ethyl esters - no conversion at all with potassium ethoxide (99% ethanol) IPA esters with potassium methoxide as catalyst - no conversion, turned everything solid Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor
Them's the ones I got too. Ball valves with the red twist handles. They work well even though they do get stiff at times. Luc - Original Message - From: DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor I did have the same problem with just the handles breaking, and guess what? They came from Ace Hardware. The ones I use now have solid red plastic handles and they come from home depot..DB ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines You forget that in order to produce power we must have relative motion between the rotor and the air. A kiting rotor will give this. An aircraft, all other things being equal, doesn't know whether it's in the jet stream or in still air. We produce forward motion of the aircraft *through the air* by an *input* of power, or by gliding - a loss of height through the air - which may be no loss, or a gain, relative to the ground if the air is moving up, when the aircraft is said to be soaring. I read years ago that there is a region at the edge of the jetstream where the air is moving up; power could be generated by an aircraft flying here. Whether enough power to be worthwhile I don't know. and I rather doubt it. One would then have the problem of storing the energy captured and moving it to where it could be useful. Rather than trying to think of capyring energy where it is heavily concentrated but very hard to capture I think we would be better off to work on capturing it where it is cheapest on balance. Wind turbines on towers are a pretty good compromise for areas with stronger winds. There are many areas where wind power is the cheapest, or competitive, especially when we account for the external costs of other energy sources. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Party of Citizens wrote: While all these serious scientists are at work, the imagineering too tyempting to pass up. We now have a solar-powered non-piloted airplane which can stay aloft indefinitely. Imagine aircraft like this with wind turbines built it and rugged enough to stay aloft in the jet stream and follow its change in course as well. POC [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor
Hi all, I sell PVC additives for a living. I would like to comment on the observed problem. PVC by nature is afraid of UV light. PVC becomes brittle and discolored when exposed to alot of sunlight. Usually titanium dioxide, carbon black and/or acrylic type impact modifiers are added to help PVC become more resistant to UV light. When these additives are included there is still some degredation but physical properties are preserved depending of the spec of the finished product. One way to tell if the PVC has degraded is discoloration, colors become faded, losing shininess and changing of color like white to off white or yellowish white. When PVC degrade usually it turns yellowish so for blue pipes it turns alittle greenish. For grey pipes its going to be hard to detect so better buy the white or colored ones if you can. Same thing for valves or any PVC article. Keep it out of the sun or have it covered to make it last longer. Hope this helps. Ken --- DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did have the same problem with just the handles breaking, and guess what? They came from Ace Hardware. The ones I use now have solid red plastic handles and they come from home depot..DB - Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor Interesting, we used PVC valves on our oil lines and a few other places and just chewed right through them. There was one model that seemed to hold up better it had a blade style valve handle as I recall but we kept poping valve handles off all the rest of them. We were purchasing from ACE Hardware (couldn't tell who made them), maybe your manufacturer has different specs. kk snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
Hello, I noticed in your post that you have a Ranger Turbo Diesel. I was wondering how you like it? Are you able to get parts? i.e. glow plugs, glow plug relay, timing belts etc. The reason I am asking is that I acquired an 87 turbo diesel in the summer and I plan to put the engine in to an 87 Ranger 4x4 fully restored. Any insight would be helpful. Aidan Last night, in Atlanta, GA, we experienced a pretty unexpected temperature drop to around 24 degF, which caught a few B100 folks by surprise this morning. A friend of mine who had 1/2 a tank of b100 in his 2005 Jetta TDI wagon hopped in his car, drove about a block, and stalled out. No way that solid block of fuel was moving. So... I met him with 5 gallons of petrodiesel and some diesel fuel anti gelling additive and hoped we could get things flowing. No luck. So... after wishing we had a hair dryer to warm up the fuel filter (and IP, lines, etc)..we had an idea... Off we ran to the hardware store for an 8' length of laundry dryer flex hose, and some foil tape. Hooked the hose to the exhaust of my 86 Ford Ranger (turbo diesel)...stuffed it under the hood of the jetta (as the bottom the car has a bunch of cowling)..and sat in the warm Ford for about 20 minutes. After a few attempts..The engine fired up! It stalled out moments later, but one more try got it up and running. Soon the 50/50 blend with additive was flowing, and it was smooth sailing. Just thought I'd pass along the experience. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Not to be the token, crusty, old, curmudgeon. But I don't think I'll be getting overly exited and start passing out party balloons until fossil and nuclear fuel subsidies are also reduced/eliminated, sugar is out of the Everglades, Florida Bay has returned to its natural state and hemp is reintroduced as a food, fiber and fuel crop. Something tells me that I won't live to see that day, as it's going to take a healthy dose of common sense in all three houses - the Senate, the House of Representatives and the White House. Damage control seems to be more the order of the day, keeping constituents from rioting in the streets, but certainly not a sustainable market across the board. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Todd: Sure would like to see the economics of politics get ratcheted down a half-dozen notches to something that resembles living within a country's means. Hello Todd, Just a note about a few demonstrations that are being activated... There is now a push with the Department of Agriculture to eliminate subsidies (and that's another issue). However, they are reviewing proposals to highlight farmers who are living within their means and offering smaller production facilities. A few examples are as follows: Small dairies can produce their own distiller's grain and use the fuel ethanol that is produced in the process as fuel for running irrigation pumps or producing biodiesel and the systems also generate electricity for farm use while producing the fuel ethanol. One Arkansas farmer plans to demonstrate this as an exemplary model starting this spring. Also, a crop rotation program between corn and sugar beet can provide feedstock for small fuel ethanol facilities across Montana and eliminate the need for subsidies. The best part is that farmers can have the option to either sell to the sugar producers or produce fuel ethanol--whichever offers the best market value. Another subsidy elimination demonstration project is being planned for sugar cane growers in South Texas. Changes in traditional agricultural practices within the past few decades are planned. Awareness and attention to the successes can make a huge difference right now. Hopefully, this kind of self-sufficient activity will snowball into general acceptance and the producer retains his individuality in the process. It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
celebration? On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Appal Energy wrote: Hello Peggy, It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Not to be the token, crusty, old, curmudgeon. But I don't think I'll be getting overly exited and start passing out party balloons until fossil and nuclear fuel subsidies are also reduced/eliminated, Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
Hi Luc All, you wrote... Is your friend aware that the fuel pump in his '05 TDI may not be BD friendly ? There have been several posts here about that. From what I gathered it might even void the warranty, if that is a concern. Luc I have a newbie/wannabe question The above word of caution peaks my interest as I am seriously shopping for a TDI... I drive a min of 150KMs per day.. A TDI with Bio seems like the solution however I think it would be foolish to run a newer vehicle with BD if it voids the warranty.. My next question Everythin I seems to read from BD advocates , analysis etc says that GOOD BD has superior lubricating qualities that can significantly extend the life of a diesel engine.. Well, how can it extend an engine's life if it chews up fuel pumps for breaklfast? Norm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor
Useful hints and advice. There is always something to learn here :-) Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor Hi all, I sell PVC additives for a living. I would like to comment on the observed problem. PVC by nature is afraid of UV light. PVC becomes brittle and discolored when exposed to alot of sunlight. Usually titanium dioxide, carbon black and/or acrylic type impact modifiers are added to help PVC become more resistant to UV light. When these additives are included there is still some degredation but physical properties are preserved depending of the spec of the finished product. One way to tell if the PVC has degraded is discoloration, colors become faded, losing shininess and changing of color like white to off white or yellowish white. When PVC degrade usually it turns yellowish so for blue pipes it turns alittle greenish. For grey pipes its going to be hard to detect so better buy the white or colored ones if you can. Same thing for valves or any PVC article. Keep it out of the sun or have it covered to make it last longer. Hope this helps. Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
- Original Message - From: Norm Fillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip Hi Luc All, you wrote... Is your friend aware that the fuel pump in his '05 TDI may not be BD friendly ? There have been several posts here about that. From what I gathered it might even void the warranty, if that is a concern. Luc I have a newbie/wannabe question The above word of caution peaks my interest as I am seriously shopping for a TDI... I drive a min of 150KMs per day.. A TDI with Bio seems like the solution however I think it would be foolish to run a newer vehicle with BD if it voids the warranty.. It seems that I may have been mistaken about the BD part. Sorry, working from memory and it doesn't always cooperate. I am surprised however that no one caught it and just let it go, but anyway.. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=jetta+TDIlist=BIOFUEL is a thread dealing with the question. The controversy apparently is with SVO/WVO. My next question Everythin I seems to read from BD advocates , analysis etc says that GOOD BD has superior lubricating qualities that can significantly extend the life of a diesel engine.. It does extend engine life and it does have better lubricicity. Well, how can it extend an engine's life if it chews up fuel pumps for breaklfast? See mea culpe above :( Luc Norm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
celebration? Oleo-chemical..., should the day ever come. - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Would those be petroleum or bio-based party balloons for the celebration? On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Appal Energy wrote: Hello Peggy, It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Not to be the token, crusty, old, curmudgeon. But I don't think I'll be getting overly exited and start passing out party balloons until fossil and nuclear fuel subsidies are also reduced/eliminated, Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
Six to seven figures and better. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines What does one of these massive wind turbines cost? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
Thanks LUC.. I followed the links you gave and a few more great stuff !! I'm quite convinced agree that SVO/WVO is probably not recommended or good for the newer 04/05 TDI models but B100 should be a none issue and have no damaging effects on a newer TDI diesel engine.. Winters in Manitoba is a different issue.. :-) Norm Hi Luc All, you wrote... Is your friend aware that the fuel pump in his '05 TDI may not be BD friendly ? There have been several posts here about that. From what I gathered it might even void the warranty, if that is a concern. Luc I have a newbie/wannabe question The above word of caution peaks my interest as I am seriously shopping for a TDI... I drive a min of 150KMs per day.. A TDI with Bio seems like the solution however I think it would be foolish to run a newer vehicle with BD if it voids the warranty.. It seems that I may have been mistaken about the BD part. Sorry, working from memory and it doesn't always cooperate. I am surprised however that no one caught it and just let it go, but anyway.. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=jetta+TDIlist=BIOFUEL is a thread dealing with the question. The controversy apparently is with SVO/WVO. My next question Everythin I seems to read from BD advocates , analysis etc says that GOOD BD has superior lubricating qualities that can significantly extend the life of a diesel engine.. It does extend engine life and it does have better lubricicity. Well, how can it extend an engine's life if it chews up fuel pumps for breaklfast? See mea culpe above :( Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
Appal Energy wrote: Would those be petroleum or bio-based party balloons for the celebration? Oleo-chemical..., should the day ever come. - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Would those be petroleum or bio-based party balloons for the celebration? On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Appal Energy wrote: Hello Peggy, It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Not to be the token, crusty, old, curmudgeon. But I don't think I'll be getting overly exited and start passing out party balloons until fossil and nuclear fuel subsidies are also reduced/eliminated, Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
Appal Energy wrote: What does one of these massive wind turbines cost? Six to seven figures and better. Hi, rough cost estimate would be 1$ for one watt of the turbine's rated power output. Current state of the art turbines are up to 5MW power, their price reaches, accordingly, 5,000,000$. Mainstream turbines are a little bit smaller - in the 0.5 - 2.5 MW range. Turbines, which are seated in the sea have a premium above this -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City
Since wind and water power are out, what would this list recommend for Moonshine City, post-2015? POC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
I have a newbie/wannabe question The above word of caution peaks my interest as I am seriously shopping for a TDI... I drive a min of 150KMs per day.. A TDI with Bio seems like the solution however I think it would be foolish to run a newer vehicle with BD if it voids the warranty.. Hi Norm. Much has been written about this subject; lots of sizzle but frankly, not a lot of steak. Here's the short version: a) VWoA does not warranty fuel, biodiesel or otherwise. b) If you get a bad tank of fuel, biodiesel or otherwise, the distributor is responsible for repair costs, not VWoA. c) A dealership can choose to deny warranty service on a part if failure of that part was the result of bad fuel, biodiesel or otherwise. d) Some dealerships are BD friendly; some aren't. In other words, if your injector pump fails, and your dealership is not BD friendly, and you can't get the fuel vendor to pony up, you may have to pay for the injector pump yourself. Otherwise, you're good. You could have 837 biodiesel bumper stickers on your car and the most anti-BD dealership in the country would still have to fix your broken transmission. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 TDI cold start in a pinch exhaust tip
Hi John, Makes sense to me ... Like the next fella, I don't enjoy paying bills but I can also see VW's viewpoint... If the fuel, BD, SVO or whatever you put in your tank damages the product why should they take the blame. My next step is to find out how the local dealers ( all of 2) feel about BD.. should be interesting. Thanks for the info guys.. Norm On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:49 -0500, John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Norm Fillion wrote: I have a newbie/wannabe question The above word of caution peaks my interest as I am seriously shopping for a TDI... I drive a min of 150KMs per day.. A TDI with Bio seems like the solution however I think it would be foolish to run a newer vehicle with BD if it voids the warranty.. Hi Norm. Much has been written about this subject; lots of sizzle but frankly, not a lot of steak. Here's the short version: a) VWoA does not warranty fuel, biodiesel or otherwise. b) If you get a bad tank of fuel, biodiesel or otherwise, the distributor is responsible for repair costs, not VWoA. c) A dealership can choose to deny warranty service on a part if failure of that part was the result of bad fuel, biodiesel or otherwise. d) Some dealerships are BD friendly; some aren't. In other words, if your injector pump fails, and your dealership is not BD friendly, and you can't get the fuel vendor to pony up, you may have to pay for the injector pump yourself. Otherwise, you're good. You could have 837 biodiesel bumper stickers on your car and the most anti-BD dealership in the country would still have to fix your broken transmission. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 86 Ford Ranger TD - was B100 TDI cold start
had to purchase anything for it other than fuel filters, oil filters, air filters, etc. I am not aware of the availability of the components you mentioned. So far so good. My only reservation is the weight capacity of the Ranger itself...I think I may sell it soon in order to upgrade to a full-size truck, perhaps Dodge Cummins 2500 circa 1994ish. At 08:45 AM 1/19/2005, you wrote: Hello, I noticed in your post that you have a Ranger Turbo Diesel. I was wondering how you like it? Are you able to get parts? i.e. glow plugs, glow plug relay, timing belts etc. The reason I am asking is that I acquired an 87 turbo diesel in the summer and I plan to put the engine in to an 87 Ranger 4x4 fully restored. Any insight would be helpful. Aidan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] cold weather biodiesel
I know there are some pointers on the Jtf site about winter BD http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html however I wanted to run a few tests of my own. I just got a food grade 200 liter drum and it was originally used for olive oil and still had some in the bottom, so I got a liter and processed it. First I plopped it in the freezer with a thermometer and at -10C it was geled up, not 100% but unusable. Then I mixed to about B80 (80 parts BD 20 parts dino) and took it down to -18C and there was evidence of geling on the bottom of the jar. I shook it up and it came loose. Still not something I would want to try in my car. Next came a 50/50 blend. I took it down to -21C and it remained competely flowing. This I woudl use in the Benz. I have yet to repeat the experiements with WVO based BD but will be doing so in the future. -21C is not too bad considering we are now just starting to hit those temps. I am going to let it heat back up and then toss it back into the freezer overnight and see what happens. I haven't added any diesel conditioner to the mix, hwever I have heard (soemwhere) that this brings the pour point down even further. I shall see. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Enemy of the state
Enemy of the state John Vidal January 19 2005 Eight years ago, Ignacio Chapela was a rising star of American academe; an assistant professor of microbial ecology at Berkeley university in California, sitting on high-level scientific committees and with the seemingly certain prospect of career advance See also: Nature backs off GM crop claims http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,679263,00.html James Meek, science correspondent April 05 2002 Britain's premier scientific journal, Nature, has disowned a paper it published last year that offered evidence supporting the argument by the green lobby that genes from GM crops could hop over to non-GM plants. Battlelines drawn in Mexico over genetically modified corn http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/biologicalscience/story/0,,6789 35,00.html Marc Kaufman April 04 2002 The origins of modern corn can be traced to the remote valleys of Central America, where it was first cultivated 10,000 years ago from the wild teosinte plant. What is grown today in the vast cornfields of Iowa and on small local farms may have only limi Science journal accused over GM article http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,729653,00.html James Meek, science correspondent June 08 2002 Britain's most prestigious science journal, Nature, ignored the advice of most of its own advisers when it took the unprecedented step of retracting an article claiming that DNA from genetically modified maize had leached into native, wild maize in Mexico Mexico's vital gene reservoir polluted by modified maize http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,686763,00.html Paul Brown, environment correspondent April 19 2002 The Mexican government has confirmed that despite its ban on genetically modified maize, there is massive contamination of crops in areas that act as the gene bank for one of the world's staple crops. Mexico's GM corn shocks scientists http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,609293,00.html John Vidal November 30 2001 One of the world's oldest varieties of maize has been contaminated by genetically modified organisms, say US researchers who have had their work confirmed by the Mexican government. --- http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1392979,00.html Environment Enemy of the state Ignacio Chapela was once the cream of the scientific core at Berkeley university, California. Now he is reviled. He tells John Vidal how US academic institutions are being 'bought' by biotechnology firms that are backed by the government Wednesday January 19, 2005 The Guardian Eight years ago, Ignacio Chapela was a rising star of American academe; an assistant professor of microbial ecology at Berkeley university in California, sitting on high-level scientific committees and with the seemingly certain prospect of career advancement and a well-paid job for life. Chapela, a mushroom expert, had no problem with biotech crops. Indeed, he had worked for several years with the Swiss company Sandoz, which later became GM giant Novartis. But now Chapela has lost his job, is unemployable in any other top-ranking US university, and admits he is extremely biased against the industry. He is furious with the highest levels of Berkeley, believing that it and other major academic institutions have been bought. The biotech industry, he says, exerts a vice-like grip on the US government and Chapela is preparing to spend years in the courts. What turned this once mild Mexican scientist into one of the world's leading defenders of academic freedom and one of the loudest critics of biotech? Chapela, in Britain to address the Soil Association annual meeting in Newcastle, says he gained knowledge. Specifically, he questioned a donation to Berkeley by a GM giant and then discovered that GM maize was seriously polluting Mexico. In so doing, he has made powerful enemies. There were several radicalisation points, he says. One was when I was asked to be part of a National Academy of Science [equivalent of a Royal Society] committee supposedly looking at the scientific foundation for the regulatory status of GM. We were being asked, I realised, to give a scientific excuse for deregulation. 'I have two questions,' I said. The first was about substantial equivalence [when a new food or food component is found to be substantially equivalent to an existing food or food component]; the second was whether we could review what happens if we lost control of the GM through, say, cross-pollination. For both, we had a big thumb's down from the top. We were told 'thou shalt not ask that'. A reasonable scientist should always react with suspicion to suppression. That was the point, he says, when he decided to go to Mexico and research the potential spread of GM maize, which was flooding over the border. He sent a colleague, who found widespread GM contamination, with grave implications for biodiversity. After rigorous
[Biofuel] Oil Running Out
Science Society Sustainability http://www.i-sis.org.uk ISIS Press Release 18/01/05 Oil Running Out Industrialised countries are heavily dependent on fossil fuels, especially oil and gas. Gas and oil together provide 70% of the energy used in both the US and UK. But the world's reserves are rapidly diminishing, and they don't have to actually run out before precipitating a crisis. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Dr. Mae-Wan Ho explains Diagrams and figures will appear with the article in the next issue of Science in Society. http://www.i-sis.org.uk/subscribeSubscribe here The 'peak oil' crisis In 1956, a geologist with Shell Oil, M. King Hubbert, used a bell-shaped curve to correctly predict that oil from the lower 48 states in the US would peak around 1969, to be followed by irreversible decline. The term 'peak oil' has since been used to identify the point at which roughly half of all the oil in the region has been extracted, and production would decline, driving up the price of oil and eventually failing to meet demand. Dr. Colin J. Campbell, who spent decades working as an international exploration geologist for major oil companies, assembled what has become widely recognized as the world's leading hydrocarbon database. He is now a trustee of the Oil Depletion Analysis Center (ODAC), a London-based charitable organization. In his book, The Coming Oil Crisis published in 1999 and later writings, Campbell used the same 'Hubbert' curve to predict that worldwide oil production would peak between 2005-10 (Fig. 1). Figure 1. The green graph indicates the amount of oil (in Giga-barrels per annum) discovered in the world each year. Except for two isolated spikes in earlier years, the maximum was reached in 1965. The red curve shows the actual amount of oil extracted each year, given the constraints of the oil crisis in the early 1970s. This contrasts with the yellow curve, a theoretical prediction of oil extraction if no constraints were imposed. The lag between peak discovery and peak extraction is 40 years. The total amount of world oil that either has been or can be extracted is 1800 Gb, of which 822 Gb of oil have already been produced in 1999. (From Campbell 2000) Campbell pointed out that peak production generally lags 40 years behind peak discovery. In the US, peak discovery was in 1930 and peak production, 1972. North Sea (UK, Norway and Denmark) oil production peaked prematurely in 2001 (from peak discovery in 1974), because advances in extraction technology reduced the time lag to 27 years. The peak discovery of the world as a whole was 1965, so the theoretical peak production year ought to have been 2005, but because of the oil shocks of the 1970s, production was artificially restricted by the OPEC quota system, so actual production has been below capacity. He predicted therefore, that world production is on a plateau from around 1970 to 2010 and will thereafter turn downwards. Campbell said that oil reserves have been grossly overstated by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC, see box 1), since it was set up, probably by countries which want to increase their extraction quota accordingly. Oil discovery peaked in the 1960s, and since 2000, one barrel is discovered for every four we consume. The rest of the world - apart from the Middle East - peaked in 1997, and is therefore in terminal decline. Non-conventional oil delays peak only a few years, but will ameliorate the subsequent decline. Gas, which is less depleted than oil, would likely peak around 2020. Box 1 OPEC ö Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries ö is a collective founded in 1960 to collaborate in managing the export of their crude oil to the rest of the world. Because of their ability to adjust production level, they possess a great deal of influence on the price of oil. Current members are Algeria, Ecuador, Gabon, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. OPEC member countries produce about 41 percent of the world's crude oil and 15 percent of its natural gas. However, OPEC's oil exports represent about 55% of oil traded internationally. After crude oil price rose to more than $50 per barrel in October 2004. OPEC production ceiling was increased by 1 mb/d (million barrels a day) to 27mb/d effective from 1 November 2004. Has world oil production peaked? The signs are that Campbell may not be far off the mark. People like Ali Bakhtiari, head of strategic planning at Iran's National Oil Company (NOIC), and Matthew Simmons, an energy investment banker and adviser to the controversial Bush-Cheney energy plan, are united with Campbell in thinking that global oil production is about to peak, which in turn will signal the permanent end of cheap oil. When crude oil price rose above $50 per barrel in October 2004, people are suddenly jolted into thinking that oil production
[Biofuel] The Coming Wars
Seymour Hersh Wednesday 9:04 AM What really happened last November when Congress passed the intelligence reform bill? Seymour Hersh reports that the Pentagon grabbed unparallelled power to unilaterally conduct covert operations. Where is Rumsfeld deploying his new powers? Iran. Read the article that has senators nervous and Iranians yelling propaganda. See also: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21021/ Iran: The Next Strategic Target - Amy Goodman interviews Seymour Hersh -- http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/050124fa_fact The New Yorker The Coming Wars by Seymour M. Hersh What the Pentagon can now do in secret. Issue of 2005-01-24 and 31 Posted 2005-01-17 George W. Bush's relection was not his only victory last fall. The President and his national-security advisers have consolidated control over the military and intelligence communities' strategic analyses and covert operations to a degree unmatched since the rise of the post-Second World War national-security state. Bush has an aggressive and ambitious agenda for using that control - against the mullahs in Iran and against targets in the ongoing war on terrorism - during his second term. The C.I.A. will continue to be downgraded, and the agency will increasingly serve, as one government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon put it, as facilitators of policy emanating from President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney. This process is well under way. Despite the deteriorating security situation in Iraq, the Bush Administration has not reconsidered its basic long-range policy goal in the Middle East: the establishment of democracy throughout the region. Bush's relection is regarded within the Administration as evidence of America's support for his decision to go to war. It has reaffirmed the position of the neoconservatives in the Pentagon's civilian leadership who advocated the invasion, including Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, and Douglas Feith, the Under-secretary for Policy. According to a former high-level intelligence official, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld met with the Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly after the election and told them, in essence, that the naysayers had been heard and the American people did not accept their message. Rumsfeld added that America was committed to staying in Iraq and that there would be no second-guessing. This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush Administration is looking at this as a huge war zone, the former high-level intelligence official told me. Next, we're going to have the Iranian campaign. We've declared war and the bad guys, wherever they are, are the enemy. This is the last hurrah - we've got four years, and want to come out of this saying we won the war on terrorism. Bush and Cheney may have set the policy, but it is Rumsfeld who has directed its implementation and has absorbed much of the public criticism when things went wrong - whether it was prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib or lack of sufficient armor plating for G.I.s' vehicles in Iraq. Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have called for Rumsfeld's dismissal, and he is not widely admired inside the military. Nonetheless, his reappointment as Defense Secretary was never in doubt. Rumsfeld will become even more important during the second term. In interviews with past and present intelligence and military officials, I was told that the agenda had been determined before the Presidential election, and much of it would be Rumsfeld's responsibility. The war on terrorism would be expanded, and effectively placed under the Pentagon's control. The President has signed a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other Special Forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as ten nations in the Middle East and South Asia. The President's decision enables Rumsfeld to run the operations off the books - free from legal restrictions imposed on the C.I.A. Under current law, all C.I.A. covert activities overseas must be authorized by a Presidential finding and reported to the Senate and House intelligence committees. (The laws were enacted after a series of scandals in the nineteen-seventies involving C.I.A. domestic spying and attempted assassinations of foreign leaders.) The Pentagon doesn't feel obligated to report any of this to Congress, the former high-level intelligence official said. They don't even call it 'covert ops' - it's too close to the C.I.A. phrase. In their view, it's 'black reconnaissance.' They're not even going to tell the cincs - the regional American military commanders-in-chief. (The Defense Department and the White House did not respond to requests for comment on this story.) In my interviews, I was repeatedly told that the next strategic target was Iran. Everyone is saying, 'You can't be serious about
[Biofuel] Overview of GMO Risks - CaMV35S promotor, Inserted Gene Seq., Methylated Unmethylated
Biofuel Readers, Since soy and others plants in biofuel, Provided is an unofficial overview of current discussion on risks of gentically modified plants as it relates to the recent posting of the Center for Food Safety and the 35s Promoter. My recommendation is to read the current literature and make your judgements because I only included two or three weblinks. For those with not time to read here is a conclusion by a Professor Emeritus: Conclusions: Transgenic lines need to be examined over a number of generations under field conditions to obtain the necessary data on trans gene stability and agronomic performance... Overview: Discussion took place of bioengineered plants and a recent report by the Center for Food Safety on the issue of legal pressures on farmers. A subsequent discussion took place regarding the risks of GMO plants, especially with regard to the Califlower 35S promoter used as the GMO agent. Below are bullet points to assist readers with such discussion: The Monsanto patent in question is patent No. US5352605:Chimeric genes for transforming plant cells using viral promoters with authors listed in public domain. Viral Promoters are a bioengineering method to insert genetic code into host code. Includes the untranscribed promoter and a polyadenylation signal that is transcribed but not translated. Downstream of the promoter there is an untranslated leader sequence of great importance. Patent utilizes the actual Cauliflower Mosaic Virus 35s (called CaMV 35s) methodology. The CaMV 35s promoter was first patented by Monsanto and six later improved with enhancer and other elements under separate patents. CaMV 35S promoter is widely used to drive transgene expression in plants throughout the world. (Do an internet search and find out) Risks: Why all the talk about risks? ..It has been presumed that the organisms (mammalians) destroys (GMOd) food genes during digestion and excretion BUT studies on DNA immunization showed that DNA could be delivered to the immune system through oral uptake = http://www.psrast.org/jcfateofgen.htm (you are what you eat) All of the GM crops marketed or being field tested presently contain bacterial sequences as a part of the plasmids used for delivering genes and many of the primary crop protection genes are of bacterial origin = http://www.psrast.org/jcfateofgen.htm Insertion of genes into DNA may cause metabolic disturbances, or unpredictably generate potentially harmful substances - http://www.psrast.org/psrlet.htm The bacterial genes used in constructing GM crops have a property that impacts on the immune system over and above the ability to produce antibodies Eukaryote DNA has relatively low frequencies of the dinucleotide motif cytosine-phosphate-guanosine also called CpG and that motif is methylated and plays a role in gene regulation while bacteria and their viruses have a high frequency of the CpG motif that is usually unmethylated (nature recognizes foreign bodies by recognized foreign bodies that are unmethlyated to the methylated DNA. If unmethylated sites are present then a response occurs at the cellular level and observable via chromatin) Apparently the CpG motif (cytosine-phosphate-guanosine (CpG)) in DNA molecules and oligonucleotides provides a signal that the immune system recognizes and initiates a primary sequence of reactions leading to activation of the immune system leading to inflammation (for readers, the phosphate bonds provide energy for a cellular pathway and thus energy for a reaction) Other evidence: The innate immune system is geared toward providing a rapid response to foreign pathogens by pattern recognition receptors that distinguish prokaryotic from eukaryotic DNA.1 These receptors specifically bind to unmethylated cytosine-phosphate-guanosine (CpG) dinucleotides, enabling bacteria and other pathogens to stimulate the innate immune system = http://www.bloodjournal.org/cgi/content/full/98/4/1217 Correlated Evidence:Bacterial DNA activates cells of the innate immune system due to the relative abundance of unmethylated CpG-DNA motifs = http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/168/10/4854#R1 (see paragraph 4) As it relates to infection therapy:Besides potential beneficial effects of microglia activation in the course of infections, activated microglia is also thought to cause detrimental reactions in autoimmune and neurodegenerative diseases. In this context, the strong IL-12 production induced by CpG-DNA is of particular importance. While in the periphery this unique capacity of CpG-DNA to induce Th1-biased immune responses (19) is utilized in vaccination protocols (18, 59), excessive IL-12 levels induced by CpG-DNA might also give reasons for severe concerns = http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/168/10/4854#R1 In conclusion, the bacterial genes used in GM crops have been found to have significant impacts on the
[Biofuel] Biodiesel in confined spaces
Hello all, Kansas Salt Mine Goes Entirely Biodiesel Air quality is a critical issue for workers who use diesel engines in confined spaces, and using biodiesel fuel in mining equipment is one way to help protect their health. http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=21019; January 14, 2005 Hutchinson, Kansas [RenewableEnergyAccess.com] Air quality is a critical issue for workers who use diesel engines in confined spaces, and using biodiesel fuel in mining equipment is one way to help protect their health. The Kansas Soybean Commission (KSC), Hutchinson Salt Company and National Biodiesel Board (NBB) recently hosted a tour of the salt company's mine in Hutchinson, Kansas. The Hutchinson Salt Co. is the first mine of any kind to use B100 (100 percent biodiesel). We use B100 biodiesel in everything underground that runs on diesel, said Max Liby, VP of Manufacturing for the mine. The main benefit is we've cleaned up soot in the air and have cut particulates. Workers, particularly the operator of the loaders, like the soy biodiesel much better because they say particulates do not get in their nostrils and the air is noticeably cleaner. Hutchinson Salt Co. began using biodiesel in June 2003, and used 31,229 gallons of B100 in the first year. Biodiesel is a great fuel for use inside mines, said Harold Kraus, soybean farmer and NBB Director. It is made from a natural product, so the air mine workers breathe from B100 is also natural. Besides cutting emissions, biodiesel also has a pleasant odor when it burns. According to the ABB, Biodiesel is the first and only alternative fuel to have fully completed the Heath Effects testing requirements of the Clean Air Act. Dr. There is a recognition that petroleum-based products, with their toxins, are affecting the health of the people, said Bailus Walker, MPH, past president of the American Lung Association of Washington, D.C. There's no question about it; the epidemiological data is there, and it is solid. We need to explore in a more aggressive way alternative fuels. I would strongly recommend, as a health professional, we take a hard look at what is being accomplished with biodiesel. The salt mine is one of more than 500 fleets using biodiesel. That number is expected to continue to rise, in part due to a biodiesel tax incentive bill that will take effect as law on January 1. The tax incentive should make biodiesel more accessible to the general public as it will significantly narrow the cost gap between biodiesel and regular diesel fuel, which will in turn fuel demand and supply. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
Hello Tomas and all, - Original Message - From: Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Hi, rough cost estimate would be 1$ for one watt of the turbine's rated power output. Current state of the art turbines are up to 5MW power, their price reaches, accordingly, 5,000,000$. Mainstream turbines are a little bit smaller - in the 0.5 - 2.5 MW range. Energy captured by a windmill varies with air density, the square of its diameter, and the cube of wind velocity. So, even a small increase in windspeed yields very significant gains in wind energy, e.g. the energy in the wind @ 6m/s is 27 times the energy in the wind at the usual cut-in speed of 2 ms/s. Surface roughness on the land such as trees, man made structures and grasses act as windbreaks, cause turbulence and dissipate the energy in the wind leading to lower outputs at lower altitudes. Steady state winds with more or less laminar flows are still available at the same location but at greater heights above ground (50 - 200 M) over the turbulent zone. Higher windspeeds also blow during monsoons when the mean windspeeds increase. Though the state of the art guarantees 95% machine availability, resource availability allowing for seasonal and diurnal quiescence is typically 20-25%. Plant Load Factor (PLF) goes for a six as a consequence. Compared to diesel generators and thermal plants, which typically operate at 70-80% PLF, windmills operate at around 20% PLF. You therefore need to invest about US $ 4 Million on a windmill compared to US $ 1 Million on a thermal power plant to generate the same number of units. Windmills are therefore gentle giants that use only a quarter of their capacity. As the wind mills grow bigger (~120 M diameter), the hub height rises (~110M), the mean windspeed is higher leading to higher electricity output (~ 4.2 MW), even in low windspeed regimes. This is the reason why wind mills are becoming bigger and bigger to take advantage of the faster windspeeds. The problem with land based is therefore turbulence caused by surface roughness. There is also the small problem of land based crane capacity which sets an upper limit on the maximum nacelle weight. RE Power of Germany, Siemens nee Bonus of Germany Denmark, GE Power nee Enron nee Tacke are all in the single multi MW windmill game. In India (~ 2400 MW) , Tamilnadu is at the forefront with over 1500 MW installed. Suzlon recently commissioned a 2 MW system in TN. Turbines, which are seated in the sea have a premium above this OTOH, the wind regime offshore or nearshore is much better owing to very low surface roughness. Remember all those windmills on the beaches. In my earlier avatar as an offshore fabricator, I remember having to hold on to the handrails for dear life out of fear of being blown right across the upper deck/helipad. The wind regime at 25 M height out at sea is typically what you would find at 100 - 200 M on land. This is the reason why, despite the horrendous costs of installing offshore windmills (designing for corrosion, wind, wave, seismic loads and their temporal variations and synergies) and maintaining them in one of the most hostile outposts known to engineering, besides evacuating the generated power to the land based grid with sub sea cabling including losses, offshore windfarms provide more bang for the buck with their better resource availability. PLF and smaller windmill sizes for the same output. Back in the early nineties, our group at Madras/Chennai had envisioned an integrated offshore platform comprising a windmill above the sea, wave energy device such as a Wells Turbine/Duck at the wind wave interface and an ocean current energy device submerged undersea. We hope to be able to install such a device in the next 5 years. Regards balaji Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Human guinea pigs
Hello All, Cross post This message is available on the Internet at http://www.WantToKnow.infohumanguineapigs Dear friends, Below is the most comprehensive list I've seen of the use of humans as guinea pigs in biological experiments. Unfortunately, there are no links to confirm everything presented. However, having researched this subject quite thoroughly, I can tell you that I have read about almost all of these experiments in reliable books with footnotes providing information on how to verify these facts. The three books mentioned in the mind control section of our resources list at www.WantToKnow.info/resources#mindcontrol contain most of this information, which you can verify using the relevant footnotes. The government and military obviously feel no compulsion to inform us of when they use us secretly in experiments. Note that a number of these experiments specifically targeted minorities and those in poor areas. By exposing this information, we can help to build the critical mass necessary to put a stop to all of this. Please help to spread the word. http://www.worldnewsstand.net/health/humanexperiments.htm 1931 - Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients. 1932 - The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated. 1935 - The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occurred within poverty-stricken black populations. 1940 - Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust. 1942 - Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty. 1943 - In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD. 1944 - U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite. 1945 - Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States. 1945 - Program F is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs. 1946 - Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word experiments to investigations or observations whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals. 1947 - Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects. 1947 - The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge. 1950 - Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates. 1950 - In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
I think that if I'm still alive to see the day of sane energy and ag policies and don't need someone to kick start my lungs to blow up those balloons, I'd rather have as many celebrants as care to show up, not have to screen and halt them at the door for latex allergies..., or peanut allergies..., or dairy allergies..., or chocolate allergies..., or aversion to GMO foods..., or ... Whatever.. I'm not holding my breath. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines ou don't like latex? Appal Energy wrote: Would those be petroleum or bio-based party balloons for the celebration? Oleo-chemical..., should the day ever come. - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Would those be petroleum or bio-based party balloons for the celebration? On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Appal Energy wrote: Hello Peggy, It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Not to be the token, crusty, old, curmudgeon. But I don't think I'll be getting overly exited and start passing out party balloons until fossil and nuclear fuel subsidies are also reduced/eliminated, Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob /ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
