Re: [Biofuel] Vacuum solar tubes
I am familiar with these systems, they provide up to 200 degree heat in a sealed tube that interfaces with a copper header which runs the water through it to capture the heat. this could be easily modified to run other fluids through it. good luck. www.sssolar.com John Miggins Harvest Solar Wind Power renewable solutions to everyday needs www.harvest-energy.com Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 Cell: 918-521-6223 - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vacuum solar tubes The pumping rate determines the cycle time assuming the connection is large enough so that it doesn't have a large effect on pumping rate. I used to pull water vapor out of refrigerator systems that had gotten contaminated. Took hours though. The coating from the torch is carbon black and is very small particle. Just apply until object is black, a thick layer is not what you want, just enough to be black. If it combines with O2 at temp it will result in CO2 formation. If it is a problem use an inert filling while heating the glass. N2 is cheap. The glass to metal seal is made and then the affair cools before pulling a vacuum right? Kirk chris davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk, Alright, I think I will go ahead and try to find a used vacuum pump from somewhere,it seems to be worth it.Would a 4 cfm 2 stage be sufficient?I guess a hard vacuum seems to be the best way to go about making solar tubes out of glass.That's really interesting that you used a very reduced flame(little or no oxygen)to coat the surface of the collector black-that's smart;was it in a vacuum?.I wonder if this would work in my situation,instead of vapourizing some sort of metal onto the glass,which seems to be one the most common methods.The whole thing (glass tube/s) being above 1000*F while the vacuum is created,some sort of non flammable coating needs to be applied.The only thing I could foresee happening with burnt fuel deposits,is some sort of water or other vapour being released and trapped inside.Again, right now I am experimenting, but the possible goal in this is to get into the market somewhere,and make it more affordable for people. I wonder if a model with a weak vacuum(or no vacuum)would be applicable enough to be sold as a more affordable model...? Or this weaker vacuum model could be used for the heating of the ingredients in biodiesel...?Anyhow, I appreciate yours, and everybody elses thoughts that have been shared on this subject.Thanks---Chris Davidson http://us.f214.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]YY=89160order=downsort=datepos=0view=ahead=b Message: 5 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: Kirk McLoren Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vacuum Solar Tubes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It is surprising how well a soft vacuum conducts. If you are going to the trouble and expense of pyrex and vacuum seals use a fairly hard vaccum. You will need a 2 stage pump such as refrigeration mechanics use. P and S Parts Corporation - 1.7 miles E - 15700 South Broadway St, Gardena, 90248 - (310) 217- P S Appliance Refrigeration Parts Supplies - 6.1 miles N - 6909 South Western Ave, Los Angeles, 90047 - (323) 753-1208 I bought one from PS years ago. They had the best prices back then. I did a search and found 2 of them. They may be related, don't know. A caveat re vacuum collectors. Many people use copper and oxidise it black as their receiver. No problem unless your pump fails and the collector stagnates. At high temps in a vacuum many materials outgass and many things can happen. The tube could get coated or in the case of copper oxide the oxygen leaves and you have a receiver that is not black. I built a flat plate vacuum collector. It made steam no problem. I used copper sheet and painted it black with an acetylene torch with the oxygen turned off. Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Re:FOOD vS FUEL
thanx's this is all very good to know ! -- Original message -- http://www.mercola.com/2003/oct/15/cooking_oil.htm Although mainstream media portrays olive oil as the healthiest oil, this title does not extend to cooking. Olive oil is primarily a monounsaturated fat. This means that it has one double bond in its fatty acid structure. Although a monounsaturated fat is inherently more stable than a polyunsaturated fat, the overabundance of oleic acid in olive oil creates an imbalance on the cellular level, which has been associated to an increased risk of breast cancer and heart disease. Olive oil is a healthy fat to include in your diet in a non-heated form, however. http://home.woh.rr.com/billkrisjohnson/Recipes/Resources.htm For cooking, your highly saturated animal fats, such as butter and beef tallow, lard, and coconut oil are best because they are the most stable. Avoid excessive heat - gentle heat will often suffice. It is best never to heat your unsaturated vegetable oils - use them for salad dressings and similar purposes that don't require heating Some advocate coconut oil as excellent for cooking. A long article on that at http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/24/coconut_oil.htm EV olive oil comes apart at temps not much above boiling water so should be used as a salad oil. --Kirk georgebostic wrote: Why not cook with olive oil? George ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! ö Try it today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] thanks all
hello luc yes i was thinking about going to the base base method. you the 75% of the methoxide in the first mix and the remaining 25% in the second mix. my oil has a lot of animal fat in it so they say that this one is ht ebest for that vincent zadworny Vancouver Canada Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'ay Vincent; - Original Message - From: Vincent zadworny To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] thanks all Thanks Luc i will be starting with about 10 to 20 gallons i was going to try the ase - base method that is on the JTF site. You are refering to the single stage right ? Not the acid base. When starting out it is higkly recommended to start with the single stage methode before attacking the two stage acid base method. I am going into my second year (my completed reactor came on line last August) and I am swtill going with the sigle stage and using NaOH as a catalyst. Others have gone on quicker so It is up to you, however a good solid understanding of the single satge method is paramount in getting the basic troubleshooting down before moving to the acid base method. Check it out: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#whystart I used to take Chem in high school and have contacted my old teacher. Chem teacher eh? Get him/her involved. Use words like esterification and methyl esters, NaOH, KOH ect. Bait the hook. The more the merrier (some even marry her,ha!) and being a chem teacher with all the hub bub that the various govt's are making now about asving a to of emissions ect this could be viewed as a teaching project; making eco-friendly fuel. Teachers can't resist that stuff. You got to sell it a bit though :-). Shouldn't be too hard a sell, BC seems to be eco-minded. Have fun, and good fueling. I will keep my lye dry. It works better that way :-) Luc Thanks again Vincent Zadworny Vancouver Canada Legal Eagle wrote: G'day Vincent; That's one heep of a jump from test batches to 100 gals. You sure you don't want to try something in the order of 20-30 liters first ? Only a suggestion mind you. All the best, keep your lye dry :-) Luc - Original Message - From: Vincent zadworny To: biomailinglist Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] thanks all hello all, i would like to thank every one who responded to me postings. washing of the small test batches are going good and am quite confident with the processes. this weekend i am setting up my BIG system consisting of a 100 US gallon reaction tank. i have 2 of these tanks and will be (hopefully) expanding to include both of the tanks. I will then be producing about 75 US gallons a day(again Hopefully) wish me luck Vincent Zadworny Vancouver Canada - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
will fine you for speeding in there cars And these GPS Cellular systems are in almost all big over the road trucking compay rigs... I have done this with my own car with amateur radio equipment and a gps... its so easy its scary... Ray J info wrote: Hi, Car rental companies have been using a version of the black box to record speed and other factors, giving them a record of the renters driving habits. If you have to rent a car, you may want to be aware of this practice. There is no such thing as privacy anymore, regards tallex ---Original Message--- This data can only be subpoenaed by a court of law AFAIK. It is only kept for a few seconds leading up to when airbags are deployed. Beyond that, nobody would be able to find out anything even if they wanted to. That is because the loop is only that long and old data is written over. There is no reason max values cannot be stored separately. May have warranty implications. Do not exceed so many rpm etc. It is a 2 edged sword. Some good may result but at what point do we sacrifice all privacy? --Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
Hello Dana, Perhaps I should clarify a bit. I am willing to purchase the equipment that is required to make the biodiesel. The material that is processed to make the biodiesel is a different matter. I should be able to grow or harvest directly all of the consumable materials. This is why I have selected algae and hard wood ash. Cheers, O'Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana Knight Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel O'Neil, Hey there. I just started on the BioD journey recently my self. In fact today I made my first test batch with new Canola oil and KOH.so far so good. Not being a chemist, there is very little chance that I could do this with out all the help this site, Girl Mark, Lance and Steve here in Boulder, and the Boulder and Denver BioD groups. Anyway, one of the more challenging portions on this process has been the sourcing of the components to construct the reactor (still looking for some items). After almost 6 months of looking I have concluded that, at least in this local, that it would take me over a year to find all the stuff I need for free. Therefore, I have settled for reasonable cheap rather than free. Might be better sources where you live, I hope. I am building the Appleseed reactor and so far I have spent about $200 on lab gear (glass ware, pH meter, scale, etc.), and three steel 55 gal drums. Still looking for a suitable 50-60 gal water heater for which I will most likely spend $50 - $100 from a local used plumbing shop. If you have a recycled construction materials yard there that would likely be a good source for wood or steel for racks and frames as well as the plumbing supplies. I have decided to go new on the pump and vacuum pump since it would be difficult to determine the actual condition of used one. Beside, you may not know what it had been used for which might introduce contamination into your process Very interested to see how your algae experiments go. Please keep us informed. Thank you and good luck Dana Knight Boulder, CO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Wow, Andy, do you really only go one level deep? -answered as no Useless? -answered as yes Why? Wouldn't once have done? -answered as I thought you said you had info - but guess not How do you manage so seamlessly and with apparent conviction to morph what is outright lying into mere overstates itself (which you've said twice now)? You'd buy a second-hand car from these guys? -answered as I am looking for info on the beads not the company and no I would not buy a car from them. Ah, so it's my honesty that's in question? -no, just that there is nothing to support any claim about the beads function. How about your honesty? -my honesty is fine, I honestly believe that you are implying that the beads do nothing and am looking to find out if you have anything to back that up. No doubt Bush and Co. did at some stage say something about Iraq that wasn't an outright lie, perhaps inadvertently, like maybe that it was in the Middle East or something, and you'd buy their war on the strength of that? -no You're quite sure I don't have anything to back it up? -not answered, but asked for you to provide answers to three questions. There are your answers. Can I please have answers to those three questions? Andy On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:41:02 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [You're misquoting me, for a start. I didn't say the beads don't do anything ] Sorry if I mis-quoted you. That was the take I got on what you said. But you were wrong. And it was said several times. Perhaps it was just a misunderstanding It's not a misunderstanding. If you're going to quote someone back at them, rather belligerently as you did, it's careless and sloppy not to check first to see you got it right. so let me just ask a few simple questions: You're going to hold my nose to the grindstone, are you? LOL! 1) What information do you have on the beads working or not working, other than Meredith's story? Remember, I am asking about the beads not the manufacturer or distributors. 2) What did you mean by It's a no-no, and so are they? Please avoid the use of pronouns for clarity. 3) When you said You're quite sure I don't have anything to back it up?, were you implying that you have something or just commenting on my suspicions that you do not. Sorry, I don't like being grilled, nobody does. If you want to leap to the conclusion that all that means is that I can't answer, go right ahead. On the other hand, you didn't answer mine, why should I answer yours? Especially as I've already done so, though you can't see it. I told you to keep looking, but it's apparent you can't see for looking anyway. It's also becoming more and more apparent how it is that you can look at all that stuff (if indeed you did - glazed over more likely) and say something like this: The honesty of the webpage author is not what is in question, twice terming sheer dishonesty as overstatement. Yes, Andy, you really do only go one level deep, and you leave the history behind you too, though it's all right there below, no huge effort to check what was said. Re pronouns and clarity, for another instance, it was perfectly clear in its context the first time, and the second time, but you've lost track of the context so you object to the pronouns. LOL! Go see for yourself. It's all right there, right in front of your eyes, but you see it as useless. That's your problem. I'll leave you to play with your beads. Keith Andy On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:24:32 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason why I keep reading it is you keep saying that there is something of content there... so I keep trying to find it. No luck so far. Uh-huh. Keep trying then. The honesty of the webpage author is not what is in question. No? I beg to differ. What is in question is your statement that the beads don't do anything. Ah, so it's my honesty that's in question? How about your honesty? You're misquoting me, for a start. I didn't say the beads don't do anything, I said: It's a no-no, and so are they. And if that isn't quite obvious to you by now after your multiple readings of it, then maybe I SHOULD SWITCH TO ALL-CAPITALS AND OFFER YOU A 25% SHARE IN THIS $45 MILLION DOLLARS MY DEAR OLD GRANDFATHER LEFT ME IF ONLY YOU'LL HELP ME GET IT OUT OF THE COUNTRY. I have seen nothing that would make me trust the webpage, but I have seen nothing to demonstrate that EVERYTHING on the webpage is untrue. No doubt Bush and Co. did at some stage say something about Iraq that wasn't an outright lie, perhaps inadvertently, like maybe that it was in the Middle East or something, and you'd buy their war on the strength of that? I would not buy a car from them, but I would not make claims about the beads without anything to back them up. You're quite sure I don't have anything to back it up? In doing so
RE: [Biofuel] New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
Hello AntiFossil, I have been to the unh site before, but not that particular link. It had a link on the site which was quite fascinating. http://www.nrel.gov/docs/legosti/fy98/24190.pdf Here is a quote from the pdf, and I paste it in answer to a question I saw while reading responses. In fact, the best approach for successful cultivation of a consistent species of algae was to allow a contaminant native to the area to take over the ponds. I was planning to use whatever algae would grow. Looks like this is the right approach! Although the immediate issues I am facing right now are really basic. How do I filter the algae from water? How do I extract oil from the filtered algae? Cheers, O'Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anti-Fossil Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New method for the production of home made bio-diesel Hello Oneil, It sounds like you may have already visited some of these sites. On the outside chance that you haven't, and for the benefit of others interested in some background on biodiesel production from algae, hopefully this site will help you. Even better, scroll all the way to the bottom of the page for more links, some on the topic, some related. Widescale Biodiesel Production from Algae Michael Briggs, University of New Hampshire, Physics Department (revised August 2004) http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: O'Neil Brooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New method for the production of home made bio-diesel Hello, I would like to try making bio-diesel. I've been reading as much material as I can find on the topic, but have not been able to find some key bits of information. I was hoping people on this list might know some of the answers or be able to point me to other resources. Right now I am interested in a very specific development path. Biodiesel can be made today in a variety of ways with published recipes, unfortunately they do not include the materials I plan to use. Algae are the planned source of hydrocarbons. I choose algae for a couple of reasons. In some of the material I have read, algae were identified as a much richer source of hydrocarbons than traditional seed stock (i.e. oil created per acre by algae vs. a seed stock). Algae can be used to treat sewage, so a large scale implementation could serve multiple purposes. Algae can be grown in fresh or salt water. Algae can be grown successfully in environments that are unsuitable for other plant life (i.e. hot desert adjacent to the ocean). Another very important reason for me to start with algae is the fact that I can grow it! I have several fish tanks and normally algae are something I limit through the use of snails, clams and zebra mussels. I do not know how much algae can be grown in a 55 gallon tank, but, I have the tank and can use it to start experimenting. The oil needs to be extracted from the algae. I am thinking I will need a press and follow a process that is similar to that used with seeds. I do not know what press to use, or how I will separate the algae from tank water and prepare it for pressing. One of the objectives for creating this method is to find a way to produce the biodiesel without purchasing any the source materials. Algae can be grown. Then I need lye. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ashlye.html I was very happy when I found this. Hard wood ash, I have trees, I can make ash. A quote from the biodiesel page on journeytoforever: One more complication -- check the purity of your KOH, it's generally not as pure as NaOH. Anhydrous grade KOH flake is usually about 92%, sometimes less -- check the label. We use half-pearls assayed at 85%. Adjust the basic quantity accordingly: the basic 4.9 grams would be 5.8 (5.775) grams for 85% KOH, or 5.3 (5.33) grams for 92% KOH. How would I measure the purity of the lye that is created from wood ash and then adjust the formula? Thank you for the assistance, O'Neil. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
Luc, Thanks for the W123 endorsement but the question remains if the same is true for the W124. Does anyone have any experience with this model and engine? While attempting to decipher the Mercedes model codes I found this handy site... http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html Mike W G'day Mike; I think you will find that the W123 body type will do the job quite nicely. Now that the expansion of my BD system is almost complete the next project upgrade on the BEnz this coming fall, God willing, is to go to a two tank system commonly used for SVO/WVO however I want it for deep winter BD use so I can run my fuel year round, however I am still looking into that as a viable avenue. Luc I am also looking for a 'well seasoned' 300D for biodiesel use. There are a few reasonably priced early '90s machines on the market. Are there issues running B100 on the generation just after the 80-87 model? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
If you find this kind of recording device in your car, disable it. In case someone might start to argue there is some kind of regulation against that: oops, it malfunctioned... This is were the debate ends for me. Yves. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
inductive loop sensors in the road, or they are on timers ... not too many on cameras .. many traffic lights have sensors up by them that can detect the strobe lights on emergency vehicles and change the light to let them passwhich many people may mistake for cameras... Ray Doug Younker wrote: Well... Cameras are used to control traffic signals. This is not to say they couldn't have dual or even multiple purpose uses. What isn't funny is how petty thieves will screw up a good thing and end up paying more. Doug - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box : Hi Luc, : : Yes, I can see how they might have an issue with that. Isn't it funny how : skipping out on paying for services really seems to get peoples attention? : I know when I was still in Texas up until 1999, in the Houston area, they : were installing those wonderful (dripping with sarcasm) little cameras on : every traffic light they could find. A little freaky if you ask me. : : AntiFossil : Mike Krafka : Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
There are many wars in our history that we provoked (i.e.Vietnam) and other acts of war that we let slip into obscurity depending on our agenda (i.e. USS Liberty). I'm not even including the numerous proxy wars fought for us all over the world. Some bright spark of a journalist used the freedom of information act last year and found the US government had directly engaged in or actively paid for 72 incursions/insurrections on other sovereign countries since 1945. 73 and 74 coming up shortly. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
URL to the story your dad sent you http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp Have a nice day. Luc - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, war, etc., etc.??? That's enough from me, SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.) Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congress women do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it. You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes their plan works like this: When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives. Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADAZILCH This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds; OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, - every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer) - we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits! Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us! Then sit backand watch how fast they would fix it. If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. J.E.Krafka AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
I was married to an American for 10 years, and although we lived in several countries she still could not relate to others except in an American fashion. And led me to believe that you can remove the American from America but you are going to have a great deal of difficulty removing America from the American. And *that* is a problem. As I have said before, Americans are not stupid, quite the contrary, it is rarely necessary to explain something, even complex things, more than once, and they get it, so then what is it ? It is cutural isolation, and a reinforced sensation of the we are the world mind set. America, the country, is a very vast and beautiful place, and I have travelled it extensively, and were it not for the starta of politically motivated hubris most encounters with the population there would be a pleasant experience. However, that said, there still leaves the mountain of intentional blindness about the rest of the world and it's customs, peoples and languages, religions ect. In order for that to be overcome the American has to consciously join the international community in mind set.We here are a positive step in that direction. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion Hi Robert, Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose! Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for about 20 years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of what makes each other tick. BUT, sometimes I think my wife can run into someone from her hometown whom she has never seen before and know more about him in the first five minutes and what he is thinking that she does about me after all these years. And, vice versa. There is just such a deep common proverbial understanding on so many issues when they have the same background. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it myself. Derek ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Mike; the text below is new to me however, everything between it and the J.E.Krafka signature regularly makes a round in email forwards, Sorry to say. Visit http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp Doug - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate : I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to : verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an : honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of : the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father : wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. : The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged : leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost : all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The : hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected : officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, : and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, : war, etc., etc.??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] your kind comments
Analysis of US Foreign Policy Invasion to Iraq Introduction This essay pretends to summarize the American federal government foreign policy and military strategy over the last three decades, from a purely economic standpoint of view. The Oil Shock The ãoil shockä of 1973 caused the oil embargo declared by Arab oil producers in response to the Arab-Israeli War of that year led to a quadrupling of petroleum prices÷a development that staggered the American and world capitalist economy. The second oil shock in the aftermath of the Iranian Revolution in 1979 led to the proclamation of the Carter Doctrine, which declared unimpeded access to the Persian Gulf to be a major strategic concern of the United States. This set the stage for the massive buildup of US military forces that has proceeded without interruption for the last 23 years. The world position of the United States as the principal imperialist power depends not only on preserving its own unimpeded access to oil, but also on its ability to determine how much of this diminishing natural resource is available to other countries÷especially to present- day or potential rivals. The approach the United States has taken to this international geo-political aspect of oil as a critical resource has been profoundly affected by the most significant political event of the last quarter of the twentieth century÷the dissolution of the USSR. Soviet Union Collapse The collapse of the Soviet Union was interpreted by the American ruling elite as an opportunity to implement a sweeping imperialist agenda that had been impossible in the aftermath of World War II and during nearly a half-century of Cold War. Proclaiming the arrival of a ãunipolar moment,ä the United States set out to prevent, as a principal strategic objective, the emergence of another power÷whether a newly-unified Europe, Japan, or, potentially, China÷that might challenge its dominant international position. Aware of the significant decline in the position of the United States in the world economy, the strategists of American imperialism came to see its overwhelming military power as the principal means by which the United States could effect a fundamental reordering of the world in its own interests. Within this context, the use of military power to establish effective control of oil producing regions and the world- wide distribution of this essential resource was transformed from a strategic idea into a concrete plan of action. Invasion of Irak To recognize the centrality of oil in the geo-political calculations of the United States does not mean, however, that it provides a full and complete explanation of the war against Iraq and the general embrace of militarism. The manner in which the United States, or another capitalist country, identifies and defines its critical interests, and the means by which it seeks to secure them, is not merely the product of simple economic calculations. Rather, these calculations, however critical, are fundamentally influenced and shaped by the whole structure and internal dynamic of the given society. From this standpoint, the invasion of Iraq is the manifestation of deep and malignant social and political contradictions in the American body politic. There is no impenetrable barrier that separates domestic and foreign policy. They represent interdependent components of the class policy elaborated by the dominant strata of the ruling elite. While subject to the continuous pressure of global economic forces, the foreign policy pursued by the ruling elite reflects, complements and projects its essential domestic interests. Domestic and Foreign policy since World War II Nearly 60 years have passed since the end of World War II. An examination of this period reveals very clearly the correlation of domestic and foreign policy. These 60 years can be bisected into two eras. During the first 30 years, between 1945 and 1975, the predominant tendency in American domestic policy was that of liberal social reform. In its foreign policy, the American bourgeoisie championed a version of liberal internationalism, rooted in various multilateral institutions. To be sure, these institutions served what were perceived by the American ruling class to be its own long-term interests. Moreover, the predominant tendency toward accommodation and compromise with the Soviet Union was always opposed by powerful sections of the capitalist class; and even within the framework of compromise the American bourgeoisie bitterly defended, even to the point of war, what it perceived to be its global interests. But under conditions of the immense expansion of the post-World War II economy, American capitalism considered social liberalism at home and liberal (and anti-communist) internationalism to be the most advisable policy. Liberalism economics collapse The end of this liberal era was foreshadowed in the weakening
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Thank you Luc AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate G'day Mike; URL to the story your dad sent you http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp Have a nice day. Luc - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, war, etc., etc.??? That's enough from me, SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.) Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congress women do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it. You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes their plan works like this: When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives. Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADAZILCH This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds; OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, - every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer) - we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits! Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us! Then sit backand watch how fast they would fix it. If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. J.E.Krafka AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Hello Doug, Yes, I have learned an embarrassing lesson from this. Not so much from my lack of having seen this particular forward before, IMHO that's as much a matter of chance as it is anything else. No the real shortcoming here is that I forwarded something I knew nothing about. I didn't check it out first, and I know better than to do that. Thank you though Doug, and you're right, the body of that post is apparently crapola. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate Mike; the text below is new to me however, everything between it and the J.E.Krafka signature regularly makes a round in email forwards, Sorry to say. Visit http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp Doug - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate : I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to : verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an : honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of : the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father : wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. : The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged : leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost : all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The : hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected : officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, : and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, : war, etc., etc.??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas?
Can anybody please give full technical information on how to run an ordinary 4-cylinder diesel engine on gas straight from the gobar gas pit? I need full specifications regarding the fixture of any kit on the engine. Also compressing or processing the gas in any way before being fed into the engine is not a viable option in my circumstances. If anybody has some ideas, please reply so. Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana _ Get Your Private, Free Jatt Email at http://www.jatt.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fw: reply to original post...
Anibal, please tell us just what you did. Did you check the oil for water content? yes i checked the wvo for water content.. it had a lot of water.. so i boiled it off... took a long time though... and a lot of smoke/steam... coming from the wvo.. the oil crackles as sson as you turn on the heat.. Why do you suspect it might have been too much catalyst? i suspected it was to much catalist because of the soap formation.. isnt soap. the result of fatty acid + water + lye? Did you titrate the oil? What was the result? Did you double-check it? i titrated the oil 4 times... with ethanol, methanol... the only factor that could be interfering with my titration is that the oil gels when dropped into the alcohol... and is very hard to mix with the alcochol.. i titrated to 5 ml...6ml... until reaching ph 9? 5 ml will leave the ph at 7-8 and with 6 ml.. 9 It really pays off being extra-careful with titration, as well as spending a bit of money of need be on accurate measuring equipment: flasks, syringes, pipettes, accurate scales, and a good pH meter if you can afford it (better than phenolphthalein - and DON'T use phenol red!). i am using ph hydrion solution.. a ph indicator sokution. i have a hanah electronic ph.. but i need to calibrate it first,, here in mexico it is very hard to find many things.,,like buffer solution to calibrate,,, my scale is not very accurate...it is a kitchen scale sensitive to 1 gram,, How much lye did you use? Was it pure and fresh? i used as pure as i can manage lye.. i got a big bag of PELS caustic soda pellets from a chemical distributor..i have stored it in a hdpe2 bucket with a airtight seal.. as for how much lye i used...there wer 2 batches the first one the one i posted about.. i was making a BIG mistake.. with my measurments.. and for the batch this original post was about,,, i can't remember very well.. but it was about 20 g ..per liter!!! it was that thick paste from carl's jr... it gave me about 50% biodiesel and 50% solid graese soap disgusting stuff on the bottom... the biodiesel was much clearer thant the second batch now that i corrected my measurments,i noticed an interestin phenomenon... the first batch i washed.. the one where i used alot of lye.. and used it in my generator with no problems.. with a little bit of dino.. that reaction... gave some pretty clear biodiesel... about 50 % solids on the bottom,and a gell soap on top.. yesterday i made a batch using proper titration results... i got about 20% glycerin on the bottom, a little soapy layer with water in the middle and abour 80% biodiesel but very very dark How much methanol did you use? i kept methanol at 20% How did you mix the methanol and the lye? yes sodium methoxide were completely dissolved before mixing.. in a open hdpe bucket...with a metal paint mixer attached to a drill.. not in a closed container . Did you heat the oil? To what temperature? the oil was heated to 130 f How did you agitate it? For how long? for the first batch i agitated for about 15 minutes with a long paint mixer attached to a drill.. the second batch the dark one i did it ina blender. mixed for about 5 minutes because the blender broke... Did you maintain the temperature throughout the process? nope i did not maintain temperature thorughout the process How long did you let it settle? i let it settle for about a day an a half anywyays i scooped the soap on top , and proceeded to water wash the bio How did wash it? Please describe the process. i just shook it in a plastic bottle.. shook it turned it upside down.. and drained.. i repeated about 10 times.. How much water? i did not pay attention to the amount of water :( What washing process? How many washes? How long per wash? How long did you let it settle between washes? i still have to get proper washing equipment when i add water the once clear biodiesel becomes like an emulsification...an d you can't se through it.. Depending what you mean, that could be normal. Look at the three photographs of the wash process on this page (about a third of the way down): http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html Bubble washing The top picture is after the first wash, but when you first add the water it goes very murky. The more you wash it, the less murky it gets. This was bubblewashing, but you should be able to wash it with a stirrer with the same results. On the other hand, if there's too much soap or the process didn't go far enough, leaving unreacted materials in the mix, then the biodiesel and the water can emulsify and won't separate, or not easily or quickly - it looks a bit like chicken soup or dirty mayonnaise. yes my first batch .. the one with clear biodiesel went just like the pictures There are ways of solving this problem, but the emulsified batch is just a symptom of the real problem, which is
RE: [Biofuel] New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
Hello Keith, We've often seen people showing interest in algae, for the last five years and more, attracted by all the good things said about algae - richer source, much higher yields, multi-purpose, doesn't need agricultural land, etc etc - and not just showing interest but setting out to do it, building ponds and so on. But we haven't yet heard of any results, nor even why these people apparently give up. One list member researched it thoroughly several years ago, with the help of his wife, who had professional expertise, and he concluded it just wasn't there yet, at least not for backyard DIYers, nor even for small-scale operations. A bit like the enzyme processes perhaps, and supercritical methanol and so on - it works in labs or in theory and that's it, so far. I'm not trying to put you off, though it probably sounds like it. On the contrary, I really hope you get somewhere, and that you'll keep us informed of your progress, even if it's lack of progress. If you don't succeed, I'd like to know why not, for one. Well, I don't know if I will be successful, but, I will try to develop the idea a bit further and will do so openly so that others may find the results online. Algae can be grown. Yes, and then? What species? Any old species? I was reading a pdf yesterday and it stated that it was best to let local species of algae to contaminate the pools. I'm going to follow the KISS principal. So short answer, yes any old species of algae. How would I measure the purity of the lye that is created from wood ash and then adjust the formula? Not only that, you'd probably have to keep doing it for each batch of lye you made. Yes, you are probably right. You need a control of some kind, a known quantity to measure it against. If you can't find another way, there'd probably be a good argument for using commerial lye as a control in a parallel titration or something, which would use very little of the commercial product but would give a comparison so you could adjust the amount of ash lye you use in the process. This breaks the basic objective of producing all the source materials. Can you think of another way to test the purity of the lye? Did you see this, by the way? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_testpaper.html Natural test papers I just took a look at it. Great, I'll keep it as a book mark and reference it when I am getting closer to a test batch. Can the ph of the lye be associated with its purity and by extension how much should be used in the biodiesel production process? Best wishes Keith Thanks, O'Neil ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
I read your other post where it you said this after mine was on it's way. I'll check it out whenever I get a digital camera. As far as I know there is no camera enforce traffic laws in my area. Thanks Doug - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box : It is simple camera technique. Sufficient IR has to be available to saturate the imaging device. The sensitivity of the camera has been set by average ambient conditions. You can use a digital camera to observe the technique. I suggest you review the law to see if it is unadvisable in your neighborhood. : : Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
While this statement isn't original, but remember America is a country of immigrants. A good many of those immigrants where steeped in American mythology long before the immigrated and that mythology could have been their impetus to immigrate. Some of the traits we Americans may have are rooted in the traits brought here by Europeans and others starting over 500 years ago. None of this isn't to say America hasn't lost her moral compass, she has and not for the reasons the moral majority and the radical right would have us believe. Doug - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion : G'day Derek; : : I was married to an American for 10 years, and although we lived in several : countries she still could not relate to others except in an American : fashion. And led me to believe that you can remove the American from America : but you are going to have a great deal of difficulty removing America from : the American. And *that* is a problem. : As I have said before, Americans are not stupid, quite the contrary, it is : rarely necessary to explain something, even complex things, more than once, : and they get it, so then what is it ? It is cutural isolation, and a : reinforced sensation of the we are the world mind set. : America, the country, is a very vast and beautiful place, and I have : travelled it extensively, and were it not for the starta of politically : motivated hubris most encounters with the population there would be a : pleasant experience. However, that said, there still leaves the mountain of : intentional blindness about the rest of the world and it's customs, peoples : and languages, religions ect. : In order for that to be overcome the American has to consciously join the : international community in mind set.We here are a positive step in that : direction. : Luc : - Original Message - : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:14 AM : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion : : : Hi Robert, : : Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose! : : Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for : about 20 years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good : understanding of what makes each other tick. BUT, sometimes I think my : wife can run into someone from her hometown whom she has never seen before : and know more about him in the first five minutes and what he is thinking : that she does about me after all these years. And, vice versa. There is : just such a deep common proverbial understanding on so many issues when : they have the same background. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't : experienced it myself. : Derek : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Mike; glad to hear you read my response mostly in the light I sent it in, to inform not embarrass. I really hesitated about clicking on send. This is way I don't care for the prohibition of emailing other list members off-list, there are times it is warranted. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
- Original Message - From: Ray J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box : : I have done this with my own car with amateur radio equipment and a : gps... its so easy its scary... : : Ray J But then we have the choice of turning it off or introducing ambiguity. Interesting to see a vehicle moving across the map at 0MPH/KPH :) Yes, it's so easy and relatively inexpensive to boot. Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
In a nearby small city most all new traffic signals use cameras and some older installations are being retro- fitted with cameras. Known to be cameras because of several newspaper articles detailing them. Many of the city's other signals remain on timers or the inductive sensors in the pavement. Without extra information it's going to be hard to tell what camera appearing devices really are and their intended use(s). Doug - Original Message - From: Ray J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box : For the most part most traffic lights in the US are controlled by : inductive loop sensors in the road, or they are on timers ... not too : many on cameras .. many traffic lights have sensors up by them that can : detect the strobe lights on emergency vehicles and change the light to : let them passwhich many people may mistake for cameras... : : Ray : : Doug Younker wrote: : : Well... Cameras are used to control traffic signals. This is not to say : they couldn't have dual or even multiple purpose uses. What isn't funny is : how petty thieves will screw up a good thing and end up paying more. Doug : - Original Message - : From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:00 PM : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box : : : : Hi Luc, : : : : Yes, I can see how they might have an issue with that. Isn't it funny how : : skipping out on paying for services really seems to get peoples attention? : : I know when I was still in Texas up until 1999, in the Houston area, they : : were installing those wonderful (dripping with sarcasm) little cameras on : : every traffic light they could find. A little freaky if you ask me. : : : : AntiFossil : : Mike Krafka : : Minnesota USA : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : : : : : : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
They can try, but, they don't have the authority.One rental car company was taken to court over it, and lost big time because they fined a guy that went 20 mph over, by charging it to his credit card. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Ray J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 15:56 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box Yes i have seen this on tv ond on the net... Some rental car company will fine you for speeding in there cars And these GPS Cellular systems are in almost all big over the road trucking compay rigs... I have done this with my own car with amateur radio equipment and a gps... its so easy its scary... Ray J info wrote: Hi, Car rental companies have been using a version of the black box to record speed and other factors, giving them a record of the renters driving habits. If you have to rent a car, you may want to be aware of this practice. There is no such thing as privacy anymore, regards tallex ---Original Message--- This data can only be subpoenaed by a court of law AFAIK. It is only kept for a few seconds leading up to when airbags are deployed. Beyond that, nobody would be able to find out anything even if they wanted to. That is because the loop is only that long and old data is written over. There is no reason max values cannot be stored separately. May have warranty implications. Do not exceed so many rpm etc. It is a 2 edged sword. Some good may result but at what point do we sacrifice all privacy? --Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
Hello Michael et al I have long experience from both models. I started out with a W 123, MB 300 D with the 88 hps 5 cylinder engine. This car became subject for a number of experimental projects. The engine is very tolerable, except for particulate contamination. As a consequence of this, I learned how to switch fuel filters (both primary and secondary) in less than 10 minuets, ready to start with a fuel system free from air. The injection pump is very resistible to variation in pH and water content of the fuel, at least for some time. It may have to do with the fact that the pump is partly lubricated by the engine oil and partly by the fuel. You should compare this with the rotation pumps of ,for instance, VW. When it comes to W124, I have experience in a MB 250D turbo intercooler with approx. 130 hps. It is tolerant in a similar manner and has an average fuel consumption of 0,7 l / 10 km with winter tires. Driving this car, it is impossible to tell the difference between diesel fuel and FAME. Good luck to you with MB diesels. Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Michael Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations Luc, Thanks for the W123 endorsement but the question remains if the same is true for the W124. Does anyone have any experience with this model and engine? While attempting to decipher the Mercedes model codes I found this handy site... http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html Mike W G'day Mike; I think you will find that the W123 body type will do the job quite nicely. Now that the expansion of my BD system is almost complete the next project upgrade on the BEnz this coming fall, God willing, is to go to a two tank system commonly used for SVO/WVO however I want it for deep winter BD use so I can run my fuel year round, however I am still looking into that as a viable avenue. Luc I am also looking for a 'well seasoned' 300D for biodiesel use. There are a few reasonably priced early '90s machines on the market. Are there issues running B100 on the generation just after the 80-87 model? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
And these GPS Cellular systems are in almost all big over the road trucking company rigs... They do not even need the GPS here in the UK you can track most mobile phones with your home computer if you know its number. The phone company triangulates using the phone masts in use. A lot of firm's phones have automatic tracking systems fitted. My son lost his job last year because of this technology. I know it was his own fault but it still came as a shock that they knew where he was at all times. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Hi Mike, It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). I agree: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2u=/050207/ids_photos_en/r 2706473732.jpg LOL! I think they don't like him a lot. A caricaturist with a future. I only wish that the photo was taken in the States to demonstrate our own discontent as we begin to really pay for the war with the upcoming fiscal budget. Mike Yes... but what do you make of this (croos-post)? Are a lot of Americans thinking (?) this way, d'you reckon? These [Iraqi oil] profits rightfully belong to the American People. All the tax money that has been spend on this war should be paid back to the American taxpayers by the new Iraqi government through the sale of oil. :-( That's go down real well in Falluja and Sadr City, eh? Win over lots of hearts and minds I'm sure. Regards Keith From: Harry Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:53:27 -1000 Subject: [Bioenergy] IRAQI OIL Aloha All, What's happening to the Iraqi oil? How is pumping it? Who is selling it and reaping the profits and who are they selling it to?? I have a friend who has an acquaintance through his sailing club. This guy works for a tanker company based in India. He said that his company could only get contracts to ship oil out of Iraq if they agreed to take to China! Ever since the U.S. ousted Sadam you never hear about oil. Before they ousted Sadam you always heard about the fears that the wells and pipelines would be sabotaged. Now you hear nothing. During the U.S. occupation, if there was no government entity, who is getting the money for the oil being pumped? How much is being pumped? Why hasn't there been any news with this information? Is it because president Bush is telling the people of the U.S. there is an oil shortage and we must drill in the arctic to reduce our consumption of foreign oil while all the while U.S. oil companies are pumping Iraqi oil and selling it to China and pocketing the profits?? These profits rightfully belong to the American People. All the tax money that has been spend on this war should be paid back to the American taxpayers by the new Iraqi government through the sale of oil. But as yet, no one that I know of even knows who is profiting from the sale of this oil and who it's being sold to. Anyone out there have any facts?? Mahalo, Harry Harry M. Pritikin (RA) Buyer's Agent Kona-Kohala Real Estate UPdate Kailua-Kona, Hawaii Cell: 808-989-3491 ___ Bioenergy mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/bioenergy Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, war, etc., etc.??? That's enough from me, SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.) Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congress women do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it. You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes their plan works like this: When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives. Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADAZILCH This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan
Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas?
HelowA..Sing Our university here in Brasil has done some work on modification of the very high compression of diesel engine as master theses and very good work is being done at IIT delhi , IIndia .You can run the engine with the mixture of gas upto 40 porcent with bioD without modification . Because of the very lower cost of the gasoline auto engine with generator , which can very easiliy adopted to use alcohol ,gasoline , LPG, biogas , butane gas , a simple flexible power generatio is very interesting way to make possible small scale poer production.This combined with thermal recovery os engine waste gas for heating and cooling make the system highly compettive, more sustainabale with centralised , costlier electric energy distributed in rural reas Feel free to have mor information. sd Pannirselvam On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:11:11 -0800 (PST), alampratap singh tiwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody please give full technical information on how to run an ordinary 4-cylinder diesel engine on gas straight from the gobar gas pit? I need full specifications regarding the fixture of any kit on the engine. Also compressing or processing the gas in any way before being fed into the engine is not a viable option in my circumstances. If anybody has some ideas, please reply so. Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana _ Get Your Private, Free Jatt Email at http://www.jatt.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
What you want is here: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/default.asp Several of these people own both types and also DIY on most repairs and could answer most any querry you have, as comparisons ect. Luc - Original Message - From: Michael Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations Luc, Thanks for the W123 endorsement but the question remains if the same is true for the W124. Does anyone have any experience with this model and engine? While attempting to decipher the Mercedes model codes I found this handy site... http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html Mike W G'day Mike; I think you will find that the W123 body type will do the job quite nicely. Now that the expansion of my BD system is almost complete the next project upgrade on the BEnz this coming fall, God willing, is to go to a two tank system commonly used for SVO/WVO however I want it for deep winter BD use so I can run my fuel year round, however I am still looking into that as a viable avenue. Luc I am also looking for a 'well seasoned' 300D for biodiesel use. There are a few reasonably priced early '90s machines on the market. Are there issues running B100 on the generation just after the 80-87 model? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
Hello AntiFossil, I have been to the unh site before, but not that particular link. It had a link on the site which was quite fascinating. http://www.nrel.gov/docs/legosti/fy98/24190.pdf Here is a quote from the pdf, and I paste it in answer to a question I saw while reading responses. In fact, the best approach for successful cultivation of a consistent species of algae was to allow a contaminant native to the area to take over the ponds. I was planning to use whatever algae would grow. Looks like this is the right approach! Although the immediate issues I am facing right now are really basic. How do I filter the algae from water? You basically need a centrifuge. A bowl centrifuge or a decanting centrifuge. You may be able to pick one up at a second hand plant dealer. Have a look at: www.westfalia-separator.com/en/index.htm, www.alfalaval.com google for centrifuge You might also be able to use a very very fine mesh but the problem with that is that the algae could quickly clog the mesh. Maybe send an email to the mob in Hawaii that grows Spirolena (???) How do I extract oil from the filtered algae? You basically need to find a method that will mulch up the algae and then use a solvent to wash the lipids out of the mulch. In terms of mulching things up, you could crush it, use ultra sound, or lyse them. For the solvent to use, have a look at Lipid Analysis and the Relation to Chemotaxonomy, chpt 7, Vol 18, Methods in Microbiology. This covers methods of extracting lipids from algae for analysis. As an indicator to your yields, Nannochloropsis produces at the rate of 40 - 50g/m^2/day and has a lipid content of about 60%. This means that a 1 hectare pond will produce, assuming 45g/m^2/day, 45kg of algae a day giving 27kg of lipids a day. This strain of algae, according to the literature is one of the top producers so if you are going to grow what comes naturally, unless your lucks in and you happen to stumble across a better producer than Nannochloropsis, then you production will be less than 27kg/day. Of course if you build a photbioreactor, then your yields will be much higher, but these things cost money Cheers, O'Neil. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Financial case lost! was: sometimes anger can motivate
Keith, What we often forget in all the discussions, is that US no longer have a financial case against Iraq. No weapons found that could pose a threat against US, also means that US have no legal case for covering their war cost with oil from Iraq. They are probably right that Iraq might be better of without Saddam, we do not know yet, but that does not mean that they can get the costs refunded for removing him. US have no rights to the oil or any profits and they might instead have sole financial responsibilities for the destruction that followed their unilateral decision. The only way to share the finance for this kind of actions, is through UN. It will be a costly adventure for the American tax payer, or US have to resort to try dictatorial and illegal behavior in Iraq. It is unlikely, because the time has past, when it was possible to maintain conquering occupations and make a profit from them. US have paid for the occupations by Israel, but even if it is small territory it cost a fortune. After all, maybe the world is slowly improving and the bullies can be made accountable for their deeds. US is the only military super power left, but might have lost its position as leading financial super power over Iraq. Hakan At 11:42 AM 2/9/2005, you wrote: Hello Mike and Mike Hi Mike, It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). I agree: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2u=/050207/ids_photos_en/r 2706473732.jpg LOL! I think they don't like him a lot. A caricaturist with a future. I only wish that the photo was taken in the States to demonstrate our own discontent as we begin to really pay for the war with the upcoming fiscal budget. Mike Yes... but what do you make of this (croos-post)? Are a lot of Americans thinking (?) this way, d'you reckon? These [Iraqi oil] profits rightfully belong to the American People. All the tax money that has been spend on this war should be paid back to the American taxpayers by the new Iraqi government through the sale of oil. :-( That's go down real well in Falluja and Sadr City, eh? Win over lots of hearts and minds I'm sure. Regards Keith From: Harry Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:53:27 -1000 Subject: [Bioenergy] IRAQI OIL Aloha All, What's happening to the Iraqi oil? How is pumping it? Who is selling it and reaping the profits and who are they selling it to?? I have a friend who has an acquaintance through his sailing club. This guy works for a tanker company based in India. He said that his company could only get contracts to ship oil out of Iraq if they agreed to take to China! Ever since the U.S. ousted Sadam you never hear about oil. Before they ousted Sadam you always heard about the fears that the wells and pipelines would be sabotaged. Now you hear nothing. During the U.S. occupation, if there was no government entity, who is getting the money for the oil being pumped? How much is being pumped? Why hasn't there been any news with this information? Is it because president Bush is telling the people of the U.S. there is an oil shortage and we must drill in the arctic to reduce our consumption of foreign oil while all the while U.S. oil companies are pumping Iraqi oil and selling it to China and pocketing the profits?? These profits rightfully belong to the American People. All the tax money that has been spend on this war should be paid back to the American taxpayers by the new Iraqi government through the sale of oil. But as yet, no one that I know of even knows who is profiting from the sale of this oil and who it's being sold to. Anyone out there have any facts?? Mahalo, Harry Harry M. Pritikin (RA) Buyer's Agent Kona-Kohala Real Estate UPdate Kailua-Kona, Hawaii Cell: 808-989-3491 Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, war, etc., etc.??? That's enough from me, SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.) Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congress women do not pay into Social Security and, of course,
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Coconut :FOOD vS FUEL
Hello Bab and Kirk Starting from this important thread about canola oil , this is very good to know the importance of several oils as this use is more important than the use of BIOD. I fully agree with the Kirk information and hence food use of the several other oil need not be forgotten . As vegetable oil is very costly in developing area especially for the poor people , even though soy and canola canot be the good choice as an ideal one for food , their use upto certain level can complement other locally preferred use of the oil as now days most of the soya is feed for animal gowth and not for human food.This is real danger of wrong of globalised workld food crysis and security Several tropical countries in Asia do use coconut oil , especially South India , the state of Kerala, Andhra and Chennai where this oil is much consumed one can really see the most beautiful women from Kerala with long hair with less cancer and heart disease in acorde with information cited by KIRK reference But here again there is a problem of the taste , culture and food habits as they are local issues , Globalization of food and energy production is an complex one , need careful thinking of long time sustainability as the importation can make . Thanks, for Bab and Kirk rolling the ball of this food vs fuel subjects and I wish this ball kicked by every one about coconut, thus the ball can be rolling .Our beloved Keith can make this ball rolling between the south and north as north people are not yet aware of the use of cocont milk , powder and oil . No one can admit to use the oil may be soya and canola to feed the Motor via BioD , where we see so may are needing thes oil for the good heath. The vegetable oil cake , used oil , oils from wastes, oil from spoiled soya and canola need to be first tried as source for BioD . Compared to soya and corn oil , canola has shown to be the best oil that lead to less allergy.This has been proved otherwise no one will go for its purchase eventhoug I canot explain much.Bob and Kirk can help to find it more. Olive oil is too expensive especially for the developing south world, beyond the reach of sevral million peoples .Brasil is importing dried coconut powder and a huge quantity of oil is lost in the manufacturing process. Coconut is growing very fast in Northeast Brasil , huge seashore land suitable for its growth All are welcome to make this product for food and BioD. Our biofuel list members colaborations are welcome to joint hand with our state , centrala governemt and enterpreuners effort to make the coconut good for fuel and food for local and export need. Thus information need to flow from south and north to make our list much dynamic and ocative, sustained local development possivel through globalised information on technolgy , market and market is made possible here. KEITH has asked me here how can we make the ball rolling between all the parts of the world. The ecologicay sound message of planting the tree . care for animal , hospital for animal all have been spread half of the world by true follwers of Budha in the world with out TV , Radio and Internet. Thus rolling the ball, in this modern world is possibleif we all have attuide to spend an hour a week , as this I do find impossible some time .However we canot leave the ball only with our kind Keith alone as the time he deicate is come to an impossible limit. Let us all play rolling the ball south to north , north to east and east to west as our list has enough members from all sides of the world, not only limited to the old players . New players are welcome too actively to keep the ball rolling .Depend Keith how we involve the the new bees here , so that they feel free here to see the old history ,before they kick the ball.If not we we will be playing all the time old game that all hadrolled well here in our list severall times. Yours truely Panniselvam On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:35:52 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanx's this is all very good to know ! -- Original message -- http://www.mercola.com/2003/oct/15/cooking_oil.htm Although mainstream media portrays olive oil as the healthiest oil, this title does not extend to cooking. Olive oil is primarily a monounsaturated fat. This means that it has one double bond in its fatty acid structure. Although a monounsaturated fat is inherently more stable than a polyunsaturated fat, the overabundance of oleic acid in olive oil creates an imbalance on the cellular level, which has been associated to an increased risk of breast cancer and heart disease. Olive oil is a healthy fat to include in your diet in a non-heated form, however.
RE: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Chris, I would really like to know more about the author of this report. Can you point me in the right direction? Mike Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many wars in our history that we provoked (i.e.Vietnam) and other acts of war that we let slip into obscurity depending on our agenda (i.e. USS Liberty). I'm not even including the numerous proxy wars fought for us all over the world. Some bright spark of a journalist used the freedom of information act last year and found the US government had directly engaged in or actively paid for 72 incursions/insurrections on other sovereign countries since 1945. 73 and 74 coming up shortly. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm Michael Redler wrote: Chris, I would really like to know more about the author of this report. Can you point me in the right direction? Mike Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many wars in our history that we provoked (i.e.Vietnam) and other acts of war that we let slip into obscurity depending on our agenda (i.e. USS Liberty). I'm not even including the numerous proxy wars fought for us all over the world. Some bright spark of a journalist used the freedom of information act last year and found the US government had directly engaged in or actively paid for 72 incursions/insurrections on other sovereign countries since 1945. 73 and 74 coming up shortly. Chris. -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: reply to original post...
Do not boil water out of oil. Heat to 120*-130*F and let it settle out for twenty-four hours under heat. All you're going to do is expend large amounts of energy and atomize more water into the oil. Sure some will come out via boiling. But you're actually forcing some water into the oil.. You mentioned ethanol and methanol in the same sentence as titration. Do not use either when titrating. Use pure isopropyl. See http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Basic Titration, among other stuff. Also, see if you can find a different scale. I presume that when you say kitchen scale, you're eluding to the spring-loaded dieter's scale found in most kitchens. Close, but no cigar. And if you still find that your oil titrates in the 10-12 gram range, you need to learn the acid/base process. There is virtually no good reason to make 35%-100% soap when what you're trying to do is make a useable lliquid fuel. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: anibal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: reply to original post... Anibal, please tell us just what you did. Did you check the oil for water content? yes i checked the wvo for water content.. it had a lot of water.. so i boiled it off... took a long time though... and a lot of smoke/steam... coming from the wvo.. the oil crackles as sson as you turn on the heat.. Why do you suspect it might have been too much catalyst? i suspected it was to much catalist because of the soap formation.. isnt soap. the result of fatty acid + water + lye? Did you titrate the oil? What was the result? Did you double-check it? i titrated the oil 4 times... with ethanol, methanol... the only factor that could be interfering with my titration is that the oil gels when dropped into the alcohol... and is very hard to mix with the alcochol.. i titrated to 5 ml...6ml... until reaching ph 9? 5 ml will leave the ph at 7-8 and with 6 ml.. 9 It really pays off being extra-careful with titration, as well as spending a bit of money of need be on accurate measuring equipment: flasks, syringes, pipettes, accurate scales, and a good pH meter if you can afford it (better than phenolphthalein - and DON'T use phenol red!). i am using ph hydrion solution.. a ph indicator sokution. i have a hanah electronic ph.. but i need to calibrate it first,, here in mexico it is very hard to find many things.,,like buffer solution to calibrate,,, my scale is not very accurate...it is a kitchen scale sensitive to 1 gram,, How much lye did you use? Was it pure and fresh? i used as pure as i can manage lye.. i got a big bag of PELS caustic soda pellets from a chemical distributor..i have stored it in a hdpe2 bucket with a airtight seal.. as for how much lye i used...there wer 2 batches the first one the one i posted about.. i was making a BIG mistake.. with my measurments.. and for the batch this original post was about,,, i can't remember very well.. but it was about 20 g ..per liter!!! it was that thick paste from carl's jr... it gave me about 50% biodiesel and 50% solid graese soap disgusting stuff on the bottom... the biodiesel was much clearer thant the second batch now that i corrected my measurments,i noticed an interestin phenomenon... the first batch i washed.. the one where i used alot of lye.. and used it in my generator with no problems.. with a little bit of dino.. that reaction... gave some pretty clear biodiesel... about 50 % solids on the bottom,and a gell soap on top.. yesterday i made a batch using proper titration results... i got about 20% glycerin on the bottom, a little soapy layer with water in the middle and abour 80% biodiesel but very very dark How much methanol did you use? i kept methanol at 20% How did you mix the methanol and the lye? yes sodium methoxide were completely dissolved before mixing.. in a open hdpe bucket...with a metal paint mixer attached to a drill.. not in a closed container . Did you heat the oil? To what temperature? the oil was heated to 130 f How did you agitate it? For how long? for the first batch i agitated for about 15 minutes with a long paint mixer attached to a drill.. the second batch the dark one i did it ina blender. mixed for about 5 minutes because the blender broke... Did you maintain the temperature throughout the process? nope i did not maintain temperature thorughout the process How long did you let it settle? i let it settle for about a day an a half anywyays i scooped the soap on top , and proceeded to water wash the bio How did wash it? Please describe the process. i just shook it in a plastic bottle.. shook it turned it upside down.. and drained.. i repeated about 10 times.. How much water? i did not pay attention to the amount of water :( What washing process? How many washes? How long per wash? How long did you let it settle between washes?
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
- Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate Chris, I would really like to know more about the author of this report. Look up the word history for the author. Can you point me in the right direction? You could have just Googled it, I did. A partial invasions list http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/invasion.htm The USS Liberty - a site maintained by survivors of the Israeli intentional attack. http://ussliberty.org/ Luc Mike Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many wars in our history that we provoked (i.e.Vietnam) and other acts of war that we let slip into obscurity depending on our agenda (i.e. USS Liberty). I'm not even including the numerous proxy wars fought for us all over the world. Some bright spark of a journalist used the freedom of information act last year and found the US government had directly engaged in or actively paid for 72 incursions/insurrections on other sovereign countries since 1945. 73 and 74 coming up shortly. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
My case, my point.I'll bet it is no end of insult to have an apparatus you paid for rsponsible for a job loss eh? This endless quest for perfection is leading us down the path of insanity.People are NOT perfect, be nice if they, whoever they are, would get over it. Luc - Original Message - From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box They do not even need the GPS here in the UK you can track most mobile phones with your home computer if you know its number. The phone company triangulates using the phone masts in use. A lot of firm's phones have automatic tracking systems fitted. My son lost his job last year because of this technology. I know it was his own fault but it still came as a shock that they knew where he was at all times. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] China Dumping the Dollar the intelligent way
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-02/07/content_2559427.htm BEIJING, Feb. 7 (Xinhuanet) -- Chinese companies invested 3.62 billion US dollars in NON FINANCIAL SECTORS (emphasis mine)overseas in 2004, an increase of 27 percent year-on-year, the Ministry of Commerce said Monday. Up to the end of last year, China's direct investment overseas reached 37 billion US dollars. Last year, according to the ministry, nearly half of Chinese investment went to Latin America and some 40 percent to the other parts of Asia, mainly in the fields of mining, commercial service, manufacturing, wholesale and retail sales. Chinese companies that were engaged in engineering projects overseas reported a business turnover of 17.5 billion US dollars last year, up 26 percent year-on-year. They also signed new contracts worth 23.8 billion US dollars, according to the ministry. So far, China has dispatched 3.2 million individuals overseas under labor service contracts and earned 30.8 billion US dollars. Enditem ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Michael Redler wrote: Hi Kirk, ...well put! I have also noticed stark contrast at passport control. Clean, unambiguous and polite in most other countries while our points of entry in the US feature poor communications and shouts in American slang (experienced in JFK and Newark) as if being herded through like livestock. By the way, this was my girlfriend's conversation with a US border official while coming back from Canada: Q: Why were you in Canada? A: We were at a party. Q: What kind of party? A: A German music and dance fest. Q: Are you (me and my girlfriend) married? A: No. Q: How do you know each other? A: We are dating. One of the last questions was (finally) do you have anything to declare? Somebody tell me how this is critical to national security -- especially since most of these are questions to which any answer can be given without any references to check its accuracy. It's intrusive and unnecessary. not really critical to national security to know the answers but they are trying to make you slip up if you have a false story. they will ask you the same questions with different enough wording that if you aren't really on point and your story isn't true they are likely to catch it. for example if they asked are you married and you said no and then they asked how do you know each other and you said this is my wife. they they lock you up and watch what you poo for a few days (ick, glad that isn't my job) and search all your stuff. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ford Ranger EV Drivers Resist Repossession
SACREMENTO -- January 17 -- 'Car-sitters' protest Ford's confiscation and destruction of zero-emission, zero-oil Ranger EV trucks. EV drivers buckle-in to hold Ford to its promise to sell Ranger EVs to loyal lessees. Supporters call on Ford to revive its EV program and immediately improve fuel efficiency of its out-dated fleet of gas guzzlers. This holiday weekend in Sacramento, Ford electric vehicle (EV) drivers, climate protection advocates, healthcare professionals, solar energy experts and human rights and peace activists began an 'EV vigil' to protest Ford Motor Company's confiscation and destruction of its all-electric, zero-emission Ranger pickup trucks. Inspired by civil rights sit-ins and powered by a 5,000-watt mobile solar array, citizens for clean cars have buckled-in for an extended 'car sit' over Martin Luther King, Jr. weekend at Downtown Ford in Sacramento. EV drivers Dave and Heather Bernikoff-Raboy, Bill Korthoff and supporters will resist the repossession of their Ford Ranger EVs and demand that Ford keep its original promise to sell the petroleum-free, pollution-free pickups to loyal California lessees. Supporters are calling on America's worst ranked automaker to revive its EV program and immediately implement existing technology to improve the bottom-of-the-barrel fuel efficiency of the rest of its gas guzzling fleet. WHO a.. Dave Bernikoff-Raboy, California rancher/Ford Ranger EV driver b.. Heather Bernifkoff-Raboy, healthcare professional/Ford Ranger EV driver c.. Bill Korthoff, solar energy expert/Ford Ranger EV driver d.. Jason Mark, clean car campaigner, Global Exchange e.. Jennifer Krill, zero emissions director, Rainforest Action Network and more... WHAT f.. EV 'car sit' vigil underway now WHEN g.. Began on Friday, January 14, 2005 and goes until further notice h.. Daily rallies at noon WHERE i.. Downtown Ford, 525 North 16th Street Bafler Street, Sacramento Yet another broken promise California rancher David Raboy acquired his Ranger EV in 2001 through Ford Motor Company's GreenLease program. In a January 23, 2004 letter to Mr. Raboy regarding lease end responsibilities and alternatives, Ford offered him the option to make arrangements to purchase the leased vehicle stating Ford Credit can finance the purchase. Mr. Raboy sent a certified letter accepting the offer of sale while Ford continued to deposit recurring payments beyond the lease expiration date. Then, in a November 18, 2004 letter to Mr. Raboy, Ford broke its promise and reneged on its offer stating Unfortunately, there is no possibility to extend your lease or for you to purchase your vehicle and recommended that Mr. Raboy consider the Ford Escape Hybrid as an alternative. Mr. Raboy reported the matter to California attorney general Bill Lockyer's office in phone calls on December 20, 23 and 30, 2004, and with a certified letter on January 6, 2005. Mr. Raboy's Ranger EV was fully powered by a solar system on his Northern California ranch. (Copies of correspondence and proof of payments are available upon request.) Ford fights progress The Ranger EV repossession is the latest in Ford's ongoing assault on federal and state efforts to improve emissions standards and implement fuel efficiency market incentives like California's progressive new law allowing carpool lane access to hybrids that achieve at least 45 miles per gallon, a standard that not one Ford model meets. In late 2004, Ford supported the filing of a federal lawsuit to overturn California's popular new vehicle emissions standards, the nation's first-ever rules to reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions linked to global warming and the most advanced automotive GHG reduction targets in the world. America's oil addict Automaker Rankings 2004, a recent report from the Union of Concerned Scientists, ranks Ford as having the absolute worst heat-trapping gas emissions performance of all the Big Six automakers. According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the overall average fuel efficiency of Ford's fleet today is 18.8 mpg, dead last among the major automakers for the fifth consecutive year. Since the oil crisis of the 1970s, Ford has ranked worst in overall fuel efficiency of all major automakers for 20 out of the last 30 years. From subcompacts to SUVs, Ford's current car and truck fleet gets fewer miles per gallon on average today than its Model-T did 80 years ago. Ford's widely touted 'eco-friendly' Rouge River plant features a water-preserving green roof, yet manufactures 280,000 gas-guzzling F-150s a year, each truck generating up to 100 tons of atmospheric carbon over its lifetime. Marketed as the first American hybrid, Ford's so-called 'no compromise' Escape represents less than one half of one percent of its fleet and will have virtually no impact on its last place fuel efficiency ranking. On September 2, 2004, Niel Golightly, director of
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Hi Kieth, Yes... but what do you make of this (croos-post)? Are a lot of Americans thinking (?) this way, d'you reckon? ** strictly my opinion ** If one dedicates resources and commits to the building of a democracy, credibility can only preserved when the decisions of that newly built democracy are honored and there is no expectations of reciprocity (rewards). It should be an effort driven strictly by one's desire to end another's suffering. I'm not sure that we are prepared for that. ** strictly my opinion ** About history: I think we need to remember a couple of quotes: History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. -Napoleon History is written by the victors. -Winston Churchill When we, as Americans think about the number of wars our country has engaged in and how many of them were to defend kings, czars, and dictators, We should wonder how sincere our government is in defending freedom and democracy. When a war is fought in Iraq to save lives at exactly the same time that genocide is occurring in Sudan, costing the lives of hundreds of thousands, I wonder even more. When our government invades a country that has been called the cradle of civilization, and assigns more resources to protect its oil fields rather that its antiquities, I think of the burning and looting of Babylon. I'm sure that those ancient invaders also had the best intentions in mind. I say this while fully aware of the importance of oil to the recovery of Iraq. I just wonder about the protectors and their motives. It is my opinion that many Americans don't know their history and that we are destined to repeat it. Go on the street of any American city and ask someone how many wars we've been in during the last century. I bet the answer will be about four. Ask themif our government has ever backed a dictator. You might get laughed at despite our president's close relationship with the Saudi royal family -- one of the biggest human rights abusers according to Amnesty International. We don't know our own history. I'm unsure if it is because of those who write our history or because of a culture which is simply uninterested. Perhaps if we fought (and lost) a war on our own soil, we might feel a higher priority in knowing what we've done and how much suffering it has caused. Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Mike and Mike Hi Mike, It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). I agree: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2u=/050207/ids_photos_en/r 2706473732.jpg LOL! I think they don't like him a lot. A caricaturist with a future. I only wish that the photo was taken in the States to demonstrate our own discontent as we begin to really pay for the war with the upcoming fiscal budget. Mike Yes... but what do you make of this (croos-post)? Are a lot of Americans thinking (?) this way, d'you reckon? These [Iraqi oil] profits rightfully belong to the American People. All the tax money that has been spend on this war should be paid back to the American taxpayers by the new Iraqi government through the sale of oil. :-( That's go down real well in Falluja and Sadr City, eh? Win over lots of hearts and minds I'm sure. Regards Keith From: Harry Pritikin To: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:53:27 -1000 Subject: [Bioenergy] IRAQI OIL Aloha All, What's happening to the Iraqi oil? How is pumping it? Who is selling it and reaping the profits and who are they selling it to?? I have a friend who has an acquaintance through his sailing club. This guy works for a tanker company based in India. He said that his company could only get contracts to ship oil out of Iraq if they agreed to take to China! Ever since the U.S. ousted Sadam you never hear about oil. Before they ousted Sadam you always heard about the fears that the wells and pipelines would be sabotaged. Now you hear nothing. During the U.S. occupation, if there was no government entity, who is getting the money for the oil being pumped? How much is being pumped? Why hasn't there been any news with this information? Is it because president Bush is telling the people of the U.S. there is an oil shortage and we must drill in the arctic to reduce our consumption of foreign oil while all the while U.S. oil companies are pumping Iraqi oil and selling it to China and pocketing the profits?? These profits rightfully belong to the American People. All the tax money that has been spend on this war should be paid back to the American taxpayers by the new Iraqi government through the sale of oil. But as yet, no one that I know of even knows who is profiting from the sale of this oil and who it's being sold to. Anyone out there have any facts?? Mahalo, Harry Harry M. Pritikin (RA) Buyer's Agent Kona-Kohala Real Estate UPdate Kailua-Kona, Hawaii Cell: 808-989-3491
[Biofuel] Davco Filter
Hello, I was wondering if anyone has purchased the Alternative Fuel Filter from DavcoMFG? Here is a link to the website: http://www.davcomfg.com/model234.htm It looks like a well-designed filter for our purposes, but just like everything is it quite pricey. I look forward to hearing from anyone. Aidan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
IMHO, every traveller eventually goes home, because it is the only place that really makes sense. Every place is delicately different from every other place. But, in my struggles with languages while travelling, I was always surprised to find the meaning of the translation is always so banal. No new mysteries. Interesting new people, with the same take on the same stories. How can this exist, I donno. This insight about your wife, Derek, really rings for me, regarding the relationships I have attempted in other countries. There's harmony, and at the same time, there's a tiny place where nobody else can go. This must be a species thing, or a primordial DON'T MIGRATE thing, it's deep, anyway, not logical. Humans are gregarious, but they don't really adapt well. Jesse From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:14:58 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion Hi Robert, Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose! Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for about 20 years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of what makes each other tick. BUT, sometimes I think my wife can run into someone from her hometown whom she has never seen before and know more about him in the first five minutes and what he is thinking that she does about me after all these years. And, vice versa. There is just such a deep common proverbial understanding on so many issues when they have the same background. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it myself. Derek -- Original message from robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luc, As I believe you said that your sister was thinking of moving to Europe from her homeland for a bit of fresh air Uh, Derek, that would be MY sister! I might mention that I am a US expatriate. I've lived overseas now for a total of fifteen years. I moved to Canada in 1992. It's been an enlightening experience to live as a guest in someone else's country. I am also married to a European, which leads to some interesting (dis)harmonies as I constantly hear a European viewpoint in one ear and a US viewpoint in the other from my US family. It's nice to know I'm not the only one who experiences this disharmony. Sometimes, I'm astonished at the contrast in perspectives, given that we live relatively close to one another, speak the same language and share many cultural values. Some Americans think that Canada is either one step away from communist, or so very much the same that there are no significant differences between the countries. There certainly ARE differences, but they are subtle. It has been an education and a valued one. Indeed! I would encourage her to go. It would be an adventure and an education and I don't think she would ever regret it. I know we haven't. She's been to Europe a few times already and really appreciates the diversity of views and experience there. Europe is not without its problems, however, and she's not naive. I would be sad to see her go, only because she would be very far away, and at times, she seems like the only thinking person in my entire family. robert luis rabello ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Thanks again Doug, it was not hard to tell your intent, and it was much appreciated. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate Mike; glad to hear you read my response mostly in the light I sent it in, to inform not embarrass. I really hesitated about clicking on send. This is way I don't care for the prohibition of emailing other list members off-list, there are times it is warranted. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
A camera with an LCD display is easiest. A digital movie camera for example. If not just download pix from a snapshot camera. What is interesting is that light invisible to the human eye can be used thus making it less obvious. Kirk --- Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read your other post where it you said this after mine was on it's way. I'll check it out whenever I get a digital camera. As far as I know there is no camera enforce traffic laws in my area. Thanks Doug - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box : It is simple camera technique. Sufficient IR has to be available to saturate the imaging device. The sensitivity of the camera has been set by average ambient conditions. You can use a digital camera to observe the technique. I suggest you review the law to see if it is unadvisable in your neighborhood. : : Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
