Re: [Biofuel] Davco Filter
Just a quick note: the last of the pall's is up and running on ebay. at the bare minimum might give you guy's some ideas on purifiers..very good schematic on there.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=3871790925ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT Phil On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:09:55 -0500, Aidan Wilkins wrote: *Hello, * * I was wondering if anyone has purchased the Alternative Fuel *Filter from DavcoMFG? Here is a link to the website: *http://www.davcomfg.com/model234.htm * * It looks like a well-designed filter for our purposes, but just like *everything is it quite pricey. * * I look forward to hearing from anyone. * *Aidan * *___ *Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel * *Biofuel at Journey to Forever: *http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html * *Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): *http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
both hubby and I felt like visitors. We don't live there anymore. Maybe because there are two of us, both from similar culture and transplanted together, that our new home really feels like home. I would say home is where your dreams come true. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:49 PM 2/9/2005, you wrote: IMHO, every traveller eventually goes home, because it is the only place that really makes sense. Every place is delicately different from every other place. But, in my struggles with languages while travelling, I was always surprised to find the meaning of the translation is always so banal. No new mysteries. Interesting new people, with the same take on the same stories. How can this exist, I donno. This insight about your wife, Derek, really rings for me, regarding the relationships I have attempted in other countries. There's harmony, and at the same time, there's a tiny place where nobody else can go. This must be a species thing, or a primordial DON'T MIGRATE thing, it's deep, anyway, not logical. Humans are gregarious, but they don't really adapt well. Jesse From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:14:58 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion Hi Robert, Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose! Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for about 20 years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of what makes each other tick. BUT, sometimes I think my wife can run into someone from her hometown whom she has never seen before and know more about him in the first five minutes and what he is thinking that she does about me after all these years. And, vice versa. There is just such a deep common proverbial understanding on so many issues when they have the same background. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it myself. Derek -- Original message from robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luc, As I believe you said that your sister was thinking of moving to Europe from her homeland for a bit of fresh air Uh, Derek, that would be MY sister! I might mention that I am a US expatriate. I've lived overseas now for a total of fifteen years. I moved to Canada in 1992. It's been an enlightening experience to live as a guest in someone else's country. I am also married to a European, which leads to some interesting (dis)harmonies as I constantly hear a European viewpoint in one ear and a US viewpoint in the other from my US family. It's nice to know I'm not the only one who experiences this disharmony. Sometimes, I'm astonished at the contrast in perspectives, given that we live relatively close to one another, speak the same language and share many cultural values. Some Americans think that Canada is either one step away from communist, or so very much the same that there are no significant differences between the countries. There certainly ARE differences, but they are subtle. It has been an education and a valued one. Indeed! I would encourage her to go. It would be an adventure and an education and I don't think she would ever regret it. I know we haven't. She's been to Europe a few times already and really appreciates the diversity of views and experience there. Europe is not without its problems, however, and she's not naive. I would be sad to see her go, only because she would be very far away, and at times, she seems like the only thinking person in my entire family. robert luis rabello ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Post Carbon Institute
These fokes have some REALLY interesting things to say about the near future. Honest, I just found them today -- I've never even sent them any money :-) -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Post Carbon Institute
Here the key links and background for the Post Carbon Institute. My comment: I need to read more about PCI efforts in practical terms not just philosphical. In comparison to JTF, the JTF site allows cross dialogue with experts and also practical know how to commence with change at the local level. Not about PCI, but looks like they trying. http://www.postcarbon.org/subpage.php?page=about About Us Post Carbon Institute is an Initiative and operating unit of MetaFoundation http://www.metafoundation.org, a non-profit organization chartered in Portland, Oregon, United States. Post Carbon Institute is an educational institution and think tank that explores in theory and practice what cultures, civilisation, governance economies might look like without the use of (non-renewable) hydrocarbons as energy and chemical feedstocks. We have operations in Vancouver Canada and Northern California, and are working with community groups in North America to prepare for the Post Carbon Age. Based on our research and studying the research of others, we have come to the conclusion that there is no panacea to get us out of the energy and ecological predicaments that human civilization faces. An orderly and equitable Powerdown will require a combination of high effective solutions that adhere to the following principles: Reduction of energy consumption Reduction of materials throughput Non-violent socially, culturally, fiscally, and otherwise The three strategies are: Raise awareness of our energy and ecological predicament Promote and teach energy and eco-literacy Develop a network of community groups and organizations working on relocalization http://www.postcarbon.org/index.php?page=relocalization We have already organised more than a dozen oil (and gas) peak events throughout North America and Europe, and have several ongoing local initiatives. We will soon offer education courses and additional pilot projects. http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/items/highnoon Book overview: Blackouts, rising gas prices, changes to the Clean Air Act, proposals to open wilderness and protected offshore areas to gas drilling, and increasing dependence on natural gas for electricity generation. What do all these developments have in common, and why should we care? In this timely expose, author Julian Darley takes a hard-hitting look at natural gas as an energy source that rapidly went from nuisance to crutch. Darley outlines the implications of our increased dependence on this energy source and why it has the potential to cause serious environmental, political, and economic consequences. In High Noon for Natural Gas readers can expect to find a critical analysis of government policy on energy, as well as a meticulously researched warning about our next potentially catastrophic energy crisis. Did you know that: Natural Gas (NG) is the second most important energy source after oil; In the U.S. alone, NG is used to supply 20% of all electricity and 60% of all home heating; NG is absolutely critical to the manufacture of agricultural fertilizers; In the U.S. the NG supply is at critically low levels, and early in 2003 we came within days of blackouts and heating shutdowns; Matt Simmons, the worlds foremost private energy banker, is now warning that economic growth in the U.S. is under threat due to the looming NG crisis? While much is known about the growing pressures on peteroleum supplies, far less is known about natural gas. As Julian Darley convincingly demonstrates in this important book, the long-range future for gas is equally bleak as that for oil. This invaluable book arrives at a critical juncture. --Michael Klare, author of Resource Wars About the Author Julian Darley is a British environmental researcher who writes about nonmarket and non-technology-based responses to global environmental degradation. He runs an Internet broadcasting station (GlobalPublicMedia.com http://www.GlobalPublicMedia.com), develops OpenSource web database sites for nonprofits and civil society organizations, and is currently writing a book on how and why we need global relocalization of the economy, society and culture. Julian lives in Vancouver, Canada. For more information on Julian Darley, please visit his personal website http://www.juliandarley.com Meta Foundation - reconnecting environment, society culture http://www.metafoundation.org/ MetaFoundation is an organization which generates funds for social and cultural environmental projects and is an incubator and generator of new projects which fit into this philosophy. The MetaFoundation is designed to address the growing global environmental catastrophe in fundamentally new and largely untried ways. Much of the current focus of attention in the environmental world is on technological solutions, such as increasing the efficiency with which we consume the Earth's resources. This is a kind of supply-side fix, and whilst extremely difficult to achieve technically, is conceptually quite
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
I am finding this rather interesting. I went back to Canada last year and both hubby and I felt like visitors. We don't live there anymore. Maybe because there are two of us, both from similar culture and transplanted together, that our new home really feels like home. I would say home is where your dreams come true. Bright Blessings, Wasn't it Joel Garreau who noted that home is where you understand the sons-of-b**ches. Always made sense to me. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Coconut :FOOD vS FUEL
Greetings Pannir. I agree but I want to re emphasize that I think we could grow better oils than canola and soy for human consumption. For example sesame-- http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/sesame_oil_lowers_blood_pressure.htm Sesame oil lowers BP By Kylie Taggart TAMIL NADU, INDIA Researchers from the Annamalai University in Chidambaram here found cooking with sesame oil in place of other oils lowers blood pressure and the amount of medication needed to control hypertension. Dr. Devarajan Sankar (PhD) and colleagues studied 328 patients taking 10 mg to 30 mg of the calcium channel blocker nifedipine to control their hypertension. The participants were asked to switch to sesame oil from their regular cooking oil for two months. They consumed on average 35 g of sesame oil per day. Their average systolic and diastolic blood pressures were reduced from 166/101 mm Hg to 134/84.6 mm Hg. The nifedipine dosage was also lowered from an average 22.7 mg a day to 7.4 mg a day. Sesame oil is high in polyunsaturated fatty acids and vitamin E. The researchers had previously reported it lowers blood pressure in hypertensives taking diuretics and beta-blockers. The current data were presented at the Inter-American Society of Hypertension meeting recently. Article found on Medicalpost.com More information available on St.John's.com --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bab and Kirk Starting from this important thread about canola oil , this is very good to know the importance of several oils as this use is more important than the use of BIOD. I fully agree with the Kirk information and hence food use of the several other oil need not be forgotten . As vegetable oil is very costly in developing area especially for the poor people , even though soy and canola canot be the good choice as an ideal one for food , their use upto certain level can complement other locally preferred use of the oil as now days most of the soya is feed for animal gowth and not for human food.This is real danger of wrong of globalised workld food crysis and security Several tropical countries in Asia do use coconut oil , especially South India , the state of Kerala, Andhra and Chennai where this oil is much consumed one can really see the most beautiful women from Kerala with long hair with less cancer and heart disease in acorde with information cited by KIRK reference But here again there is a problem of the taste , culture and food habits as they are local issues , Globalization of food and energy production is an complex one , need careful thinking of long time sustainability as the importation can make . Thanks, for Bab and Kirk rolling the ball of this food vs fuel subjects and I wish this ball kicked by every one about coconut, thus the ball can be rolling .Our beloved Keith can make this ball rolling between the south and north as north people are not yet aware of the use of cocont milk , powder and oil . No one can admit to use the oil may be soya and canola to feed the Motor via BioD , where we see so may are needing thes oil for the good heath. The vegetable oil cake , used oil , oils from wastes, oil from spoiled soya and canola need to be first tried as source for BioD . Compared to soya and corn oil , canola has shown to be the best oil that lead to less allergy.This has been proved otherwise no one will go for its purchase eventhoug I canot explain much.Bob and Kirk can help to find it more. Olive oil is too expensive especially for the developing south world, beyond the reach of sevral million peoples .Brasil is importing dried coconut powder and a huge quantity of oil is lost in the manufacturing process. Coconut is growing very fast in Northeast Brasil , huge seashore land suitable for its growth All are welcome to make this product for food and BioD. Our biofuel list members colaborations are welcome to joint hand with our state , centrala governemt and enterpreuners effort to make the coconut good for fuel and food for local and export need. Thus information need to flow from south and north to make our list much dynamic and ocative, sustained local development possivel through globalised information on technolgy , market and market is made possible here. KEITH has asked me here how can we make the ball rolling between all the parts of the world. The ecologicay sound message of planting the tree . care for animal , hospital for animal all have been spread half of the world by true follwers of Budha in the world with out TV , Radio and Internet. Thus rolling the ball, in this modern world is possibleif we all have attuide to spend an hour a week , as this I do find
[Biofuel] 1 clear water pump
I have a 1 clear water pump hooked up to an eighty gal hot water heater. I used all 1 plumbing for my manifold with 1 full port valves. The tank opening is still 3/4 but there should be ample pressure pushing the oil through the opening. How long should I have to run the processor to get full reaction? Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] PH meter calibration
I was wondering if anyone knows what PH the lye water for Titration should read on the ph meter. using the better titration method I have made a good batch of BD using virgin oil, and have made alot of soap with wvo because my meter is off calibration. I am having trouble finding calabration fluid to calabrate my meter. Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas?
Hello Pannir P.V, I am vey interested in what you had written in your mail. Please send the relevan information or data about the research in your univ. I have tried to chec IIT Delhi's website, but can't find any information. Send some link if yo can. Basically i want to run a simple diesel engine on gobar gas wihout much investment and am looking for the best way to do it. I will be gateful for your help. Regards Alampraap Singh Tiwana --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:R From: Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 Feb 205 08:47:37 -0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How to un diesel engine on gobar gas? Helow A..Sing Our universityere in Brasil has done some work on modification of the very high comression of diesel engine as master theses and very good work is being one at IIT delhi , IIndia .You can run the engine with the mixture of as upto 40 porcent with bioD without modification . Because ofhe very lower cost of the gasoline auto engine with generator , whichan very easiliy adopted to use alcohol ,gasoline , LPG, biogas , butae gas , a simple flexible power generatio is very interesting way to mke possible small scale poer production.This combined with thermal recvery os engine waste gas for heating and cooling make the system highl compettive, more sustainabale with centralised , costlier electric enrgy distributed in rural reas Feel free to have mor information. R sd Pannirselvam On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:11:11 0800 (PST), alampratap singh tiwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can anybody please give full technical information on how to runan ordinary 4-cylinder diesel engine on gas straight from the goba gas pit? I need full specifications regarding the fixture of anyit on the engine. Also compressing or processing the gas in any ay before being fed into the engine is not a viable option in mycircumstances. If anybody has some ideas, please reply so. Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana t; Get Your Private, Free Jatt Email at http://www.jatt.com/ __ Biofuel mailing list R [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journetoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchie.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ g; -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Ro Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduaom Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de ustos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitrioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon goe de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Ntal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 __ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journy to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuelrchives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgrou/biofuel/ _ Get Your Private, Free Jatt Emal at http://www.jatt.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 1 clear water pump
Hello Jeremy, I am only asking this out of curiosity, but what was your reason for plumbing your system with 1 as opposed to 3/4 pipe? Is there some benefit to this set-up? Or was it a case of, I had 1 pipe, so that's what I used? AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 1 clear water pump I have a 1 clear water pump hooked up to an eighty gal hot water heater. I used all 1 plumbing for my manifold with 1 full port valves. The tank opening is still 3/4 but there should be ample pressure pushing the oil through the opening. How long should I have to run the processor to get full reaction? Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Some years ago While I was repairing a motor control one an oil well pumping unit. Along comes a Kansas game warden and he got out of his vehicle and struck up a conversation, being who I am I engage in the conversation not thinking about it. Soon it became apparent the jerk was trying to trip me so I cooled my tone and he got the hint and left. In addition to doing what John described he asked me questions he should have known the answers to if he was the paycheck he was getting. Doug - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate : : not really critical to national security to know the answers but they : are trying to make you slip up if you have a false story. they will ask : you the same questions with different enough wording that if you aren't : really on point and your story isn't true they are likely to catch it. : : for example if they asked are you married and you said no and then : they asked how do you know each other and you said this is my wife. : they they lock you up and watch what you poo for a few days (ick, glad : that isn't my job) and search all your stuff. : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
IMHO, every traveller eventually goes home, because it is the only place that really makes sense. What's home? LOL! (What's TV?) Every place is delicately different from every other place. But, in my struggles with languages while travelling, I was always surprised to find the meaning of the translation is always so banal. No new mysteries. Interesting new people, with the same take on the same stories. Partly, and also with a different take on different stories too. How can this exist, I donno. This insight about your wife, Derek, really rings for me, regarding the relationships I have attempted in other countries. There's harmony, and at the same time, there's a tiny place where nobody else can go. This must be a species thing, or a primordial DON'T MIGRATE thing, it's deep, anyway, not logical. Humans are gregarious, but they don't really adapt well. Humans don't adapt? That's exactly what they DO do, more so than any other species except perhaps Nordic rats and cockroaches, our noble partners in life! It's our ability to adapt that has put us at the pinnacle of the species pile, as much as anything else. It's the story of our evolution. Culturally? Different perhaps, or perhaps not. Roots, yes, sure, but we are not trees! (More's the pity! LOL!) Einstein said that you can't be happy too far from where you were born, but methinks he was confusing the relative with the relatives. I was born in Cape Town. I was never very happy in Cape Town, I wanted to leave from an early age. And leave I did. I was never very happy when I went back either, and the further I'd been the less happy I'd be. Now, much later, the last couple of times I've been there have been interesting, from the point of view of retracing some old steps to gain a better perspective, that kind of thing, but there's no feeling of home, of this is where I belong or anything like that. Same applies to South Africa, with the exception of a larger sense, in that South Africa is part of Africa, and I discovered about 15 years ago that if anything I'm an African, and it doesn't much matter exactly where in that rather large continent. There are things about Africa that move me, which others who've been with me but were not Africans were oblivious to. Maybe I'll end up there, who knows. In the meantime, though I've lived in many places, I've never thought of any of them as home, nor thought of staying there permanently. Now I have no immediate family left. I mourned them when they died, but family is not something I miss or feel any lack of, any more than home is. Home's where you hang your hat, and blood is not thicker than water. I had two brothers, both dead now, neither of them was related to me in any way, but both meant much more to me than my real brother ever did. Do you think I must necessarily be deprived in some or many ways because of this? I certainly don't think so. Nor would I say that people who have not gained what I've gained because I did not have their encumbrances are deprived either - to each his own. I didn't plan for it to be this way, it's just that that's how it panned out. But I'm not the only one, there are many of us who live like this. Some people transplant, and live in their new homes quite happily. Others keep moving on. Rolling stones gathering no moss? Well maybe - I don't have a mortgage anyway! As for moss, it hasn't been aimless or just whimsical, there's reason and substance to it, it makes an integrated picture, it makes sense, not chaos. I'm not lacking for moss. But there's more than one kind of moss. Just my 2, um, yen. Regards Keith Jesse From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:14:58 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion Hi Robert, Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose! Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for about 20 years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of what makes each other tick. BUT, sometimes I think my wife can run into someone from her hometown whom she has never seen before and know more about him in the first five minutes and what he is thinking that she does about me after all these years. And, vice versa. There is just such a deep common proverbial understanding on so many issues when they have the same background. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it myself. Derek -- Original message from robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luc, As I believe you said that your sister was thinking of moving to Europe from her homeland for a bit of fresh air Uh, Derek, that would be MY sister! I might mention that I am a US expatriate. I've lived overseas now for a total of fifteen years. I moved to Canada in 1992. It's been an enlightening experience to live as a
Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas?
Hello Pannir P.V, I am very interested in what you had written in your mail. Please send the relevant information or data about the research in your univ. Please don't, Pan - if you have such information available for emailing, please send it to the list and not direct to Alampratap, or it will end up only on his hard disk and yours. It's of interest to everyone and should be shared with the whole list if possible, and then it will also be in the archives for future seekers to find there. I have tried to check IIT Delhi's website, but can't find any information. Send some link if you can. No, please, as above - send it to the list. Basically i want to run a simple diesel engine on gobar gas without much investment and am looking for the best way to do it. I will be grateful for your help. We're all here to be helped AND to help each other Alampratap. The list is for sharing, not just for receiving. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:47:37 -0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas? Helow A..Sing Our university here in Brasil has done some work on modification of the very high compression of diesel engine as master theses and very good work is being done at IIT delhi , IIndia .You can run the engine with the mixture of gas upto 40 porcent with bioD without modification . Because of the very lower cost of the gasoline auto engine with generator , which can very easiliy adopted to use alcohol ,gasoline , LPG, biogas , butane gas , a simple flexible power generatio is very interesting way to make possible small scale poer production.This combined with thermal recovery os engine waste gas for heating and cooling make the system highly compettive, more sustainabale with centralised , costlier electric energy distributed in rural reas Feel free to have mor information. sd Pannirselvam On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:11:11 -0800 (PST), alampratap singh tiwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody please give full technical information on how to run an ordinary 4-cylinder diesel engine on gas straight from the gobar gas pit? I need full specifications regarding the fixture of any kit on the engine. Also compressing or processing the gas in any way before being fed into the engine is not a viable option in my circumstances. If anybody has some ideas, please reply so. Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Financial case lost! was: sometimes anger can motivate
Keith, What we often forget in all the discussions, is that US no longer have a financial case against Iraq. No weapons found that could pose a threat against US, also means that US have no legal case for covering their war cost with oil from Iraq. But they didn't have a legal case for the war (invasion, occupation, whatever) in the first place. Did they ever have a financial case against Iraq? I mean a real case? Surely not one that could stand up to any kind of examination. But you're right, it's a good point. They are probably right that Iraq might be better of without Saddam, we do not know yet, but that does not mean that they can get the costs refunded for removing him. US have no rights to the oil or any profits and they might instead have sole financial responsibilities for the destruction that followed their unilateral decision. The only way to share the finance for this kind of actions, is through UN. ... which they've spurned. It will be a costly adventure for the American tax payer, or US have to resort to try dictatorial and illegal behavior in Iraq. I gather that's the idea, digging in for the long haul, it doesn't look much like they're planning on paying rent. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/43840/ Why the US will not leave Iraq It is unlikely, because the time has past, when it was possible to maintain conquering occupations and make a profit from them. US have paid for the occupations by Israel, but even if it is small territory it cost a fortune. After all, maybe the world is slowly improving and the bullies can be made accountable for their deeds. US is the only military super power left, but might have lost its position as leading financial super power over Iraq. I think military superpowers are obsolete. I think any kind of superpower is obsolete except the other one: There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion. - The New York Times http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/23479/ http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030414s=schell The Other Superpower | Jonathan Schell The trouble is I think they're quite likely to think the same way Mr Pritikin is thinking - except for Mr Cheney, who might not want Halliburton to have to face Mr Pritikin's questions. Regards Keith Hakan At 11:42 AM 2/9/2005, you wrote: Hello Mike and Mike Hi Mike, It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). I agree: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2u=/050207/ids_photos_en/r 2706473732.jpg LOL! I think they don't like him a lot. A caricaturist with a future. I only wish that the photo was taken in the States to demonstrate our own discontent as we begin to really pay for the war with the upcoming fiscal budget. Mike Yes... but what do you make of this (croos-post)? Are a lot of Americans thinking (?) this way, d'you reckon? These [Iraqi oil] profits rightfully belong to the American People. All the tax money that has been spend on this war should be paid back to the American taxpayers by the new Iraqi government through the sale of oil. :-( That's go down real well in Falluja and Sadr City, eh? Win over lots of hearts and minds I'm sure. Regards Keith From: Harry Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:53:27 -1000 Subject: [Bioenergy] IRAQI OIL Aloha All, What's happening to the Iraqi oil? How is pumping it? Who is selling it and reaping the profits and who are they selling it to?? I have a friend who has an acquaintance through his sailing club. This guy works for a tanker company based in India. He said that his company could only get contracts to ship oil out of Iraq if they agreed to take to China! Ever since the U.S. ousted Sadam you never hear about oil. Before they ousted Sadam you always heard about the fears that the wells and pipelines would be sabotaged. Now you hear nothing. During the U.S. occupation, if there was no government entity, who is getting the money for the oil being pumped? How much is being pumped? Why hasn't there been any news with this information? Is it because president Bush is telling the people of the U.S. there is an oil shortage and we must drill in the arctic to reduce our consumption of foreign oil while all the while U.S. oil companies are pumping Iraqi oil and selling it to China and pocketing the profits?? These profits rightfully belong to the American People. All the tax money that has been spend on this war should be paid back to the American taxpayers by the new Iraqi government through the sale of oil. But as yet, no one that I know of even knows who is profiting from the sale of this oil and who it's being sold to. Anyone out there have any facts?? Mahalo, Harry Harry M. Pritikin (RA) Buyer's Agent Kona-Kohala Real Estate UPdate Kailua-Kona, Hawaii Cell: 808-989-3491
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
inform not embarrass. I really hesitated about clicking on send. This is way I don't care for the prohibition of emailing other list members off-list, there are times it is warranted. Doug It's not a prohibition Doug. People do it all the time, no problem, well and good. Have another look: Don't call for an offlist response unless you have a special reason. If it's discussed on-list, everybody can share in the discussion, more people will contribute, you'll end up with much better answers, and it will all be in the archives for future seekers to find there. What this is directed at is people who ask a question on a subject of general interest to the list and ask for offlist responses, so a potentially valuable discussion is lost to the rest of us, probably the discussion is poorer for it too, and nothing gets into the archives for future seekers to find. Something else that's frowned on is what a few people have done here before - they see something that upsets them (off topic political crap, LOL!) and send nasty offlist messages to everyone concerned. But in general, no prohibition. The great majority of people here are sensible and know how to behave, they can be trusted to judge when something should be onlist and when an offlist comment is pertinent. I have the impression that quite a number of offlist friendships have sprung up between list members over the years, starting just that way. I surely wouldn't prohibit it! In this case, I'd've been surprised if Mike had been offended, and on the other hand, if it's not genuine it's probably best that everyone who saw it knows that, but also I take your point, I wouldn't have argued against whichever decision you'd reached, your prerogative. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] PH meter calibration
Jeremy, pH meters go out of calibration extremely fast and without proper calibration with trusted calibration fluid you can be off in the order of magnitude range. Until you get fluids, I would recommend using paper strips as they are more reliable than an uncalibrated pH meter. I am fairly sure that www.mcmaster.com sells calibration fluids, but you could also check with VWR, Cole-parmer and the other lab supply companies. Andy On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:52:16 -0500, Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone knows what PH the lye water for Titration should read on the ph meter. using the better titration method I have made a good batch of BD using virgin oil, and have made alot of soap with wvo because my meter is off calibration. I am having trouble finding calabration fluid to calabrate my meter. Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] PH meter calibration
Hello Jeremy. Some pH meters have microprocesor with values for calibration with 3 specific buffer solution of a given pH value stored in their memory. I remember some 10 years ago, I used a german Hanna pH meters have this feature and if I was trying to use standar buffer solution of 4.00 ; 7.00 and 10,00 but the calibration menu ends with an error message; I only could standarized that pH meter with their own factory expensive buffer solutions to be sell in their representative. Good way to continously earn money along the years, for that company. Others pH meters less expensive, more simple or older are ajusted by a potenciometer (a variable resistence with a knob), I worked with Fisher, Jenway and Cole-Parmer desktops and field pH meter all of the 3 were ajusted with 2 simple set points 7,00 and 10,00 buffers for alkaline range with the aid of 2 variable resistance knobs one to standarize and the other to correct drift and 7,00 and 4,00 values buffers solutions for acidic m edium to be controled. The working conditions of the pH probe I check first with a less than a week old buffer solution, I set the potentiometer funtion in the milivolts scale, if it gives a value 0 miliVolts with a buffer 7.00 with a maximun variation of + / - 30 mV,the probe is in working conditions, then I go for the calibration mode ajusting to pH 7 and then the acidic or alkaline buffer solution. I know it is possible to ajust with 4.00 and 10.00 buffer solutions with some pH meters as well. Regards. Juan -Original- From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 10, 2005 12:52 AM For:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[Biofuel] PH meter calibration I was wondering if anyone knows what PH the lye water for Titration should read on the ph meter. using the better titration method I have made a good batch of BD using virgin oil, and have made alot of soap with wvo because my meter is off calibration. I am having trouble finding calabration fluid to calabrate my meter. Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] just grateful
Just a note to reiterate how important this exchange of information, and viewpoints, is for me. When I found Journey, it was a real education for me, covering several areas I had no prior knowledge of whatsoever. I'm light years from being an expert in any of these areas today, but the discoveries I continue to make here help me to strengthen a couple of old allies I thought might be gone for ever, my love of learning, and the construction/welding skills I spent years honing. I have yet to build a biodiesel reactor, or get started on biodiesel production, but that will come in time. For me, I'm having way too much fun building my second waste oil heater, and getting ready to start building BBQ pits for the upcoming Spring and Summer season. This list, more importantly, the people who take the time to post on this list, whether they have agreeing or dissenting views, American or Canadian (LOL Luc), what you are all doing is important. It definitely matters, and I think it will be through these types of exchanges, over time, that we will finally be able to get over our nationalities one day. Who knows, maybe then our descendents will get to experience something truly remarkable, a life where they can simply be called humans. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Sesame and Coconut :FOOD vS FUEL
Congratulation Kirk Thank you very much for you bringing this important informations carried out the university where I had my graduations and Po's graduation studies in chemical engineering in seventies. Surely all our list members can have first benefit's as most of us use cars, computers and TV and have less time for walking and swimming , thus much prone to heart diseases . Surely we can use sesame and I fully agree with you as producing sesame require dry lands and more ecological than canola production using mechanical and chemical intensive methods . The answer I need from you is it true that canola oil is better than soy and corn oil for human consumption ? as published by some reports and doctors. I believe this by my own experience.Now I agrre with you we can better have sesame and coconut as they are much available here in the tropical place and I need not import from Canada. We here in Brazil can produce a lot of sesame , and we require market and I am sure this new information can make word more better . In south of India the oil cake of Sesame is also used as important food. This biodiversity of several oil source make food vs fuel as less war between countries if we we can solve this on globalized world. Kirk do keep bring this type of the vital information here Thanking you Pannirselvam P.V On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:30:49 -0800 (PST), Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Pannir. I agree but I want to re emphasize that I think we could grow better oils than canola and soy for human consumption. For example sesame-- http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/sesame_oil_lowers_blood_pressure.htm Sesame oil lowers BP By Kylie Taggart TAMIL NADU, INDIA Researchers from the Annamalai University in Chidambaram here found cooking with sesame oil in place of other oils lowers blood pressure and the amount of medication needed to control hypertension. Dr. Devarajan Sankar (PhD) and colleagues studied 328 patients taking 10 mg to 30 mg of the calcium channel blocker nifedipine to control their hypertension. The participants were asked to switch to sesame oil from their regular cooking oil for two months. They consumed on average 35 g of sesame oil per day. Their average systolic and diastolic blood pressures were reduced from 166/101 mm Hg to 134/84.6 mm Hg. The nifedipine dosage was also lowered from an average 22.7 mg a day to 7.4 mg a day. Sesame oil is high in polyunsaturated fatty acids and vitamin E. The researchers had previously reported it lowers blood pressure in hypertensives taking diuretics and beta-blockers. The current data were presented at the Inter-American Society of Hypertension meeting recently. Article found on Medicalpost.com More information available on St.John's.com --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bab and Kirk Starting from this important thread about canola oil , this is very good to know the importance of several oils as this use is more important than the use of BIOD. I fully agree with the Kirk information and hence food use of the several other oil need not be forgotten . As vegetable oil is very costly in developing area especially for the poor people , even though soy and canola canot be the good choice as an ideal one for food , their use upto certain level can complement other locally preferred use of the oil as now days most of the soya is feed for animal gowth and not for human food.This is real danger of wrong of globalised workld food crysis and security Several tropical countries in Asia do use coconut oil , especially South India , the state of Kerala, Andhra and Chennai where this oil is much consumed one can really see the most beautiful women from Kerala with long hair with less cancer and heart disease in acorde with information cited by KIRK reference But here again there is a problem of the taste , culture and food habits as they are local issues , Globalization of food and energy production is an complex one , need careful thinking of long time sustainability as the importation can make . Thanks, for Bab and Kirk rolling the ball of this food vs fuel subjects and I wish this ball kicked by every one about coconut, thus the ball can be rolling .Our beloved Keith can make this ball rolling between the south and north as north people are not yet aware of the use of cocont milk , powder and oil . No one can admit to use the oil may be soya and canola to feed the Motor via BioD , where we see so may are needing thes oil for the good heath. The vegetable oil cake , used oil , oils from wastes, oil from
[Biofuel] 1 clear water pump
AntiFossil wrote, I am only asking this out of curiosity, but what was your reason for plumbing your system with 1 as opposed to 3/4 pipe? Is there some benefit to this set-up? Or was it a case of, I had 1 pipe, so that's what I used? AntiFossil I went with 1 pipe manifold because the pump was designed to be plumbed with 1 pipe. Reducing the size to 3/4 restricts the flow making the pump work harder to move the fluid. There are only 3 places where the fluid is restricted, 1. coming out of the tank 2. coming out of the pump I reduced to a 3/4 nipple which works as a king nipple to hook up to 1 ID clear mesh tubing(site tube). 3. Then back to 3/4 and 90's into tank. Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas?
Greeting to Keith and Alampratap Our university is in summer hoildays . I will surely send theses information to the list a month after as this is already published one and I agree fuly with Keith views that we all need to give and take.This is how Google win over micro soft this is how open source software survives. Some good work have been conducted in IIT delhi as master and Phd thesis in 1980-1989 .Alam can easily contact the departments. Another good information is from Biomass gasification of IISc Bangalore , about which Keith has once send me an email. I wish to help as much as early possivel Thanking you Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:19:45 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alampratap, Pan Hello Pannir P.V, I am very interested in what you had written in your mail. Please send the relevant information or data about the research in your univ. Please don't, Pan - if you have such information available for emailing, please send it to the list and not direct to Alampratap, or it will end up only on his hard disk and yours. It's of interest to everyone and should be shared with the whole list if possible, and then it will also be in the archives for future seekers to find there. I have tried to check IIT Delhi's website, but can't find any information. Send some link if you can. No, please, as above - send it to the list. Basically i want to run a simple diesel engine on gobar gas without much investment and am looking for the best way to do it. I will be grateful for your help. We're all here to be helped AND to help each other Alampratap. The list is for sharing, not just for receiving. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:47:37 -0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How to run diesel engine on gobar gas? Helow A..Sing Our university here in Brasil has done some work on modification of the very high compression of diesel engine as master theses and very good work is being done at IIT delhi , IIndia .You can run the engine with the mixture of gas upto 40 porcent with bioD without modification . Because of the very lower cost of the gasoline auto engine with generator , which can very easiliy adopted to use alcohol ,gasoline , LPG, biogas , butane gas , a simple flexible power generatio is very interesting way to make possible small scale poer production.This combined with thermal recovery os engine waste gas for heating and cooling make the system highly compettive, more sustainabale with centralised , costlier electric energy distributed in rural reas Feel free to have mor information. sd Pannirselvam On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:11:11 -0800 (PST), alampratap singh tiwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody please give full technical information on how to run an ordinary 4-cylinder diesel engine on gas straight from the gobar gas pit? I need full specifications regarding the fixture of any kit on the engine. Also compressing or processing the gas in any way before being fed into the engine is not a viable option in my circumstances. If anybody has some ideas, please reply so. Regards Alampratap Singh Tiwana -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing
[Biofuel] What oil to use
Are there any TDI owners on list. My owners manual says to use 5W30 oil, but I thought you were suppose to run DeLo in deisel engines. It seems weird to run ordinary oil. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 1 clear water pump
That will depend upon how many gallons you put in your 80 gallon tank. Start at 24 hours and work your way backward or forward from there. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 1 clear water pump I have a 1 clear water pump hooked up to an eighty gal hot water heater. I used all 1 plumbing for my manifold with 1 full port valves. The tank opening is still 3/4 but there should be ample pressure pushing the oil through the opening. How long should I have to run the processor to get full reaction? Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
biofuel and energy production for dairy
Hello Keith and our list members Can any one help the useful information to design the bookstores , Milk pasteurization and cooling , ice making based on the energy from cow manure and effluent from small milk processing industry using heat pump and solar energy too. Based upon the information , the the design details involving the co generation of heat. cold and electricity for small dairy firm will be first published here in our list as this will be latter presented in the international congress. As I urgently need this help for our group work , any help and relevant information in this regard will be highly appreciated. Thanking you Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557
RE: [Biofuel] What oil to use
Are there any TDI owners on list. Hi, I have run my Land rover 90 Tdi on Valvoline Turbo V 15W-50 for 12 years. I'm in the south of the UK so the weather here is wet and mild all year round. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Coconut :FOOD vS FUEL
Advocate. Although the results reported are certainly encouraging, and I really don't mean to disparage the Annamalai Researchers, I personally could only consider these results as suggestive at best. Here is why: Most importantly the trial was not blind; that is, the folks that got the sesame oil knew it. And as difficult as it may be to accept, the placebo effect is real and powerful. Folks can _unconsciously_ manipulate their physiology to accommodate an expectation. A treatment of the placebo effect can be found in small tome: _The Placebo Effect_ edited by Anna Harrington. There are numerous on line resources concerning the placebo effect. Also, as this group was already taking a blood pressure drug, with limited results, were other changes occurring as part of the study? Had they been warned that what they were doing was not working? Were lifestyle changes made. Maybe so, maybe not. Finally, the article noted that sesame oil is high in polyunsaturated fats. In a previous discussion the dietary value of coconut oil was touted, a la mercola's 66 dollar/gal oil. Coconut oil is a highly saturated fat. So just what is recommended, saturated or unsaturated? vegetable or animal? high cholesterol, low cholesterol? The reference provided should have been stjohn's.com for those interested in pursuing the issue. Kirk McLoren wrote: Greetings Pannir. I agree but I want to re emphasize that I think we could grow better oils than canola and soy for human consumption. For example sesame-- http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/sesame_oil_lowers_blood_pressure.htm Sesame oil lowers BP By Kylie Taggart TAMIL NADU, INDIA Researchers from the Annamalai University in Chidambaram here found cooking with sesame oil in place of other oils lowers blood pressure and the amount of medication needed to control hypertension. Dr. Devarajan Sankar (PhD) and colleagues studied 328 patients taking 10 mg to 30 mg of the calcium channel blocker nifedipine to control their hypertension. The participants were asked to switch to sesame oil from their regular cooking oil for two months. They consumed on average 35 g of sesame oil per day. Their average systolic and diastolic blood pressures were reduced from 166/101 mm Hg to 134/84.6 mm Hg. The nifedipine dosage was also lowered from an average 22.7 mg a day to 7.4 mg a day. Sesame oil is high in polyunsaturated fatty acids and vitamin E. The researchers had previously reported it lowers blood pressure in hypertensives taking diuretics and beta-blockers. The current data were presented at the Inter-American Society of Hypertension meeting recently. Article found on Medicalpost.com More information available on St.John's.com -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Doug and Kieth, I really enjoyed recent exchanges in this forum. I really hesitated about clicking on send Doug; Please continue to share your point of view. I'm sure you are aware by now that I have become disenchanted with my government, my president and to some extent, parts of the culture in which I live. I struggle not to become too negative or overzealous with expressing my opinions -- especially in a forum that makes such discussions off-topic. I feel strongly that the most one can do, to act locally, is to inspire and even provoke social discourse. So, I'm sure you can relate to the dilemma of wanting to do this in situations that might not be appropriate. Regards, Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike; glad to hear you read my response mostly in the light I sent it in, to inform not embarrass. I really hesitated about clicking on send. This is way I don't care for the prohibition of emailing other list members off-list, there are times it is warranted. Doug It's not a prohibition Doug. People do it all the time, no problem, well and good. Have another look: Don't call for an offlist response unless you have a special reason. If it's discussed on-list, everybody can share in the discussion, more people will contribute, you'll end up with much better answers, and it will all be in the archives for future seekers to find there. What this is directed at is people who ask a question on a subject of general interest to the list and ask for offlist responses, so a potentially valuable discussion is lost to the rest of us, probably the discussion is poorer for it too, and nothing gets into the archives for future seekers to find. Something else that's frowned on is what a few people have done here before - they see something that upsets them (off topic political crap, LOL!) and send nasty offlist messages to everyone concerned. But in general, no prohibition. The great majority of people here are sensible and know how to behave, they can be trusted to judge when something should be onlist and when an offlist comment is pertinent. I have the impression that quite a number of offlist friendships have sprung up between list members over the years, starting just that way. I surely wouldn't prohibit it! In this case, I'd've been surprised if Mike had been offended, and on the other hand, if it's not genuine it's probably best that everyone who saw it knows that, but also I take your point, I wouldn't have argued against whichever decision you'd reached, your prerogative. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] PH meter calibration
cheaper, and needs no calibration, other than a little practice. Jeremy Tracy Longworth wrote: I was wondering if anyone knows what PH the lye water for Titration should read on the ph meter. using the better titration method I have made a good batch of BD using virgin oil, and have made alot of soap with wvo because my meter is off calibration. I am having trouble finding calabration fluid to calabrate my meter. Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] just grateful
Greeting,Mike Krafka JFT is an gold mine of useful and practical engineering knowledge and surely the ability of the experts time spend here make this gold ball knowledge of rolling to all the places independent of north , south east and west.Surely we make here the new modern quick way of not only technical education but also humanised education so that our decedent need not repeat the mistakes , yet we all need one noble educative attitude so that rolling ball make us fell one in an localized word , giving and taking and we need not divide us here due to religion , due to local culture and no racial pre conceits . Here we had debate about sacred cow that Keith has very nicely handled , we too have diverse views , after all the world is too big and we cant agree on all.But here do understand , learn as you correctly pointed out . I feel like you that the new generation of the rich and poor nation need to come to our list and feel that we all in the same world as much as the new tsunami , earth quake , tempest , super hot winds are going to come to all the places.Let us all prepare to come together to face this war against natural calamity not involved in making artificial calamity for human beings. Here in this list we forget this division as you said and surely feel like you feel that we are all simple humans ,all need helping hand .If some one starve in this world , we too are responsible as the world is rich , world is plentiful , why there should be the war and the misery.The world peace cant be given only in the hand of few political one and powerful media people only. Thus the very important point in this exchange of view in this list is exchange of not ideas , but a valuable Knowledge, ability of our members to take ,and give to one who need it especially for the people from south .But yet we need here list members with the correct educative attitude which you have and well expressed .When the list members grow with this correct educative attitude the our knowledge exchange ball will roll around the world and make us much united and much powerful especially for the people who need it so that they can be powerful to as they all will be made as powerful too. sd Pannirselvam Brazil On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:08:55 -0600, Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note to reiterate how important this exchange of information, and viewpoints, is for me. When I found Journey, it was a real education for me, covering several areas I had no prior knowledge of whatsoever. I'm light years from being an expert in any of these areas today, but the discoveries I continue to make here help me to strengthen a couple of old allies I thought might be gone for ever, my love of learning, and the construction/welding skills I spent years honing. I have yet to build a biodiesel reactor, or get started on biodiesel production, but that will come in time. For me, I'm having way too much fun building my second waste oil heater, and getting ready to start building BBQ pits for the upcoming Spring and Summer season. This list, more importantly, the people who take the time to post on this list, whether they have agreeing or dissenting views, American or Canadian (LOL Luc), what you are all doing is important. It definitely matters, and I think it will be through these types of exchanges, over time, that we will finally be able to get over our nationalities one day. Who knows, maybe then our descendents will get to experience something truly remarkable, a life where they can simply be called humans. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What oil to use
A good rule when driving on FAME is to pick a lubricating oil with s high total base number (TBN), since FAME is consuming the base number much faster than diesel fuel does. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: [Biofuel] What oil to use Greetings, Are there any TDI owners on list. My owners manual says to use 5W30 oil, but I thought you were suppose to run DeLo in deisel engines. It seems weird to run ordinary oil. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 1 clear water pump
I used all 1 plumbing for my manifold with 1 full port valves. The tank opening is still 3/4 but there should be ample pressure pushing the oil through the opening. How long should I have to run the processor to get full reaction? Thank you, Jeremy You're referring to this? Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel: snip I am building the Appleseed reactor and so far I have spent about $200 on lab gear (glass ware, pH meter, scale, etc.), and three steel 55 gal drums. Still looking for a suitable 50-60 gal water heater for which I will most likely spend $50 - $100 from a local used plumbing shop. If you have a recycled construction materials yard there that would likely be a good source for wood or steel for racks and frames as well as the plumbing supplies. I have decided to go new on the pump and vacuum pump since it would be difficult to determine the actual condition of used one. Beside, you may not know what it had been used for which might introduce contamination into your process Be aware that the 1 clear water pump usually recommended for these reactors is too small for that size water heater. Those pumps will handle at most a 25-gallon reactor. So you'll have to extend the processing time considerably to get a complete reaction, or use a bigger pump. Or at least try using the 1 clear water pump at its full 1 capacity, rather than stepping it down to 3/4, which will probably mean changing the fittings on the tank. Also be aware that the arrangements on these processors for draining the glycerine by-product do not achieve good separation and you're quite likely to get some glyc along with the biodiesel to be washed in the wash-tank, compounding the washing problems you'll have if the process isn't completed properly. So don't just blindly follow the instructions as it seems most people building these reactors do. Think about it yourself, figure it out, step by step. Best wishes Keith 80 gallons is definitely too big for that pump when it's fitted as recommended by the people who promote those processors, ie, stepped down to 3/4. I'd say it's also too big for it at 1, especially as you have a 3/4 inlet. I don't understand this: The tank opening is still 3/4 but there should be ample pressure pushing the oil through the opening. What's the difference between having the tank opening at 3/4 on the one hand, and having the pump itself stepped down to 3/4? Do you think giving the oil a head-start to build up some speed (and pressure?) in a length of 1 pipe will make any difference? I don't know (though I doubt it), I'm asking. How long should I have to run the processor to get full reaction? I don't think there's any formula that can tell you that, there are too many variables. For instance, we might tell you something that was correct for an 80-gallon tank using that pump that we happened to know of (though we don't), but if your tank had different dimensions (say short and fat rather than tall and thin) it probably wouldn't work. You'll have to find out by trial and error. Use these tests: Quality testing http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality I'm not knocking the pump, by the way, we use one, for 60 litre batches, and it's great. I probably am knocking the people who recommended it for use with 200-litre tanks and more - and then kicked up huge unseemly smokescreens of denial and obfuscation when it was suggested here that it was too small for such a tank... only to admit it very blithely four months later on another list, as if it all the fuss they'd made here had never happened. Yuk. Too much ego, not enough of what makes people human, IMHO. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] PH meter calibration
I was wondering if anyone knows what PH the lye water for Titration should read on the ph meter. using the better titration method Um, dunno. Why would that be useful? I have made a good batch of BD using virgin oil, and have made alot of soap with wvo because my meter is off calibration. I am having trouble finding calabration fluid to calabrate my meter. See what the list archives has to say about calibration: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=calibrationtime=allu sertime=2002-12-31 Information Archive at NNYTech Best wishes Keith Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Brian - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion Hello Jesse, Derk, Robert and all IMHO, every traveller eventually goes home, because it is the only place that really makes sense. What's home? LOL! (What's TV?) Every place is delicately different from every other place. But, in my struggles with languages while travelling, I was always surprised to find the meaning of the translation is always so banal. No new mysteries. Interesting new people, with the same take on the same stories. Partly, and also with a different take on different stories too. How can this exist, I donno. This insight about your wife, Derek, really rings for me, regarding the relationships I have attempted in other countries. There's harmony, and at the same time, there's a tiny place where nobody else can go. This must be a species thing, or a primordial DON'T MIGRATE thing, it's deep, anyway, not logical. Humans are gregarious, but they don't really adapt well. Humans don't adapt? That's exactly what they DO do, more so than any other species except perhaps Nordic rats and cockroaches, our noble partners in life! It's our ability to adapt that has put us at the pinnacle of the species pile, as much as anything else. It's the story of our evolution. Culturally? Different perhaps, or perhaps not. Roots, yes, sure, but we are not trees! (More's the pity! LOL!) Einstein said that you can't be happy too far from where you were born, but methinks he was confusing the relative with the relatives. I was born in Cape Town. I was never very happy in Cape Town, I wanted to leave from an early age. And leave I did. I was never very happy when I went back either, and the further I'd been the less happy I'd be. Now, much later, the last couple of times I've been there have been interesting, from the point of view of retracing some old steps to gain a better perspective, that kind of thing, but there's no feeling of home, of this is where I belong or anything like that. Same applies to South Africa, with the exception of a larger sense, in that South Africa is part of Africa, and I discovered about 15 years ago that if anything I'm an African, and it doesn't much matter exactly where in that rather large continent. There are things about Africa that move me, which others who've been with me but were not Africans were oblivious to. Maybe I'll end up there, who knows. In the meantime, though I've lived in many places, I've never thought of any of them as home, nor thought of staying there permanently. Now I have no immediate family left. I mourned them when they died, but family is not something I miss or feel any lack of, any more than home is. Home's where you hang your hat, and blood is not thicker than water. I had two brothers, both dead now, neither of them was related to me in any way, but both meant much more to me than my real brother ever did. Do you think I must necessarily be deprived in some or many ways because of this? I certainly don't think so. Nor would I say that people who have not gained what I've gained because I did not have their encumbrances are deprived either - to each his own. I didn't plan for it to be this way, it's just that that's how it panned out. But I'm not the only one, there are many of us who live like this. Some people transplant, and live in their new homes quite happily. Others keep moving on. Rolling stones gathering no moss? Well maybe - I don't have a mortgage anyway! As for moss, it hasn't been aimless or just whimsical, there's reason and substance to it, it makes an integrated picture, it makes sense, not chaos. I'm not lacking for moss. But there's more than one kind of moss. Just my 2, um, yen. Regards Keith Jesse From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:14:58 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion Hi Robert, Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose! Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for about 20 years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of what makes each other tick. BUT, sometimes I think my wife can run into someone from her hometown whom she has never seen before and know more about him in the first five minutes and what he is thinking that she does about me after all these years. And, vice versa. There is just such a deep common proverbial understanding on so many issues when they have the same background. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it myself. Derek -- Original message from robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luc, As I believe you said that your sister was thinking of moving to Europe from her homeland for a bit of
[Biofuel] jatropha bio-diesel
can someone tell me about the property of jatropha bio-diesel compare to the rapeseed oil bio-diesel and palm oil bio-diesel? thanks best regards gorvans _ Are you right for each other? Find out with our Love Calculator: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191text ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What oil to use
Greetings, Are there any TDI owners on list. My owners manual says to use 5W30 oil, but I thought you were suppose to run DeLo in deisel engines. It seems weird to run ordinary oil. Hi Kim. Assuming you're talking about a VW TDI, the answer depends on the model year. Up through 2003, you should use Mobil Delvac 1 which only comes in gallon jugs. To confuse things, Mobil also repackages this very product in quarts as Mobil 1 Truck SUV. Catepiller also sells Delvac 1 relabeled as Cat Full Synthetic 5W-40 Oil. Do not confuse these products with Delvac1300 which is not a full synthetic or regular Mobil 1 which is not for diesels. For 2004 on, you *must* use a VW certified 505.01 oil. Dealers stock Castrol 505.01. You can also get Elf or Motul branded 505.01 oil online. Do NOT let anyone try to convince you that 505.00 oil good enough. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] French prime minister plan for biofuels
automatic translation of the beginning : Politics(Policy) Jean-Pierre Raffarin clarifies his plan for biofuels PARIS ( AP) - France is going to produce 800.000 tons of supplementary biofuels before 2007, of which 480.000 tons of diester and 320.000 tons of ethanol, announced on Wednesday Jean-Pierre Raffarin. I have just made the arbitrations(refereeings), the call for tender is going to be proposed from tomorrow in Brussels , declared Mr Raffarin during the inauguration of the collection of pen portraits of the State Secretaries to the Agriculture. He clarified that he had given his approval to the production of 320.000 tons of biofuels in the field ethanol and of 480.000 tons in the field to diester . This distribution will contribute according to Matignon to restabilize the production between the fields diester and ethanol. This last field had set of the delay. The new productions will be added to most than 400.000 tons of biofuels produced at present in France, as it is explained to the ministry of Agriculture(...) [1]http://archquo.nouvelobs.com/cgi/articles?ad=politique/20050202.FAP 1475.htmlhost=http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/ Politique Jean-Pierre Raffarin prcise son plan pour les biocarburants PARIS (AP) -- La France va produire 800.000 tonnes de biocarburants supplmentaires d'ici 2007, dont 480.000 tonnes de diester et 320.000 tonnes d'thanol, a annonc mercredi Jean-Pierre Raffarin. ÇJe viens de faire les arbitrages, l'appel d'offres va tre propos ds demain BruxellesÈ, a dclar M. Raffarin lors de l'inauguration de la galerie de portraits des secrtaires d'Etat l'Agriculture. Il a prcis qu'il avait donn son agrment la production de Ç320.000 tonnes de biocarburants dans la filire thanolÈ et de Ç480.000 tonnes dans la filire diesterÈ. Cette rpartition contribuera selon Matignon Çrquilibrer la productionÈ entre les filires diester et thanol. Cette dernire filire avait pris du retard. Les productions nouvelles s'ajouteront aux plus de 400.000 tonnes de biocarburants produites actuellement en France, explique-t-on au ministre de l'Agriculture. Les droits de dfiscalisation correspondant ces productions supplmentaires feront l'objet d'appels d'offres europens qui seront adresss jeudi par la France Bruxelles, a prcis M. Raffarin. Les biocarburants bnficient d'une exonration partielle de taxe intrieure sur les produits ptroliers (TIPP). Le Premier ministre, qui avait annonc ce plan en septembre dernier, a insist sur ce Çbond qualitatif et quantitatif pour la France dans le domaine des biocarburantsÈ. ÇC'est pour nous l'occasion de pouvoir rapprocher agriculture et environnementÈ, a-t-il soulign. Jean-Pierre Raffarin avait souhait en septembre que la production franaise de biocarburants soit triple d'ici 2007. Ce triplement cotera environ 320 millions d'euros au budget de l'Etat en raison des incitations fiscales aux producteurs, prcise-t-on au ministre de l'Agriculture. Issus de la transformation de produits d'origine vgtale ou animale, les biocarburants permettent de rduire les missions de gaz effet de serre. Contraction de diesel et ester, le ÇdiesterÈ est un mlange de gazole et d'huile de soja, de tournesol ou de colza. L'thanol est fabriqu partir d'essence, de betterave ou de crales. Le gouvernement assure que ce plan biocarburants n'est qu'une premire tranche. Selon Matignon, l'Etat lancera une deuxime tranche aprs 2007 pour se conformer l'objectif, fix la France par le Protocole de Kyoto contre le rchauffement climatique, de 5,75% de biocarburants dans le carburant auto d'ici 2010. AP References 1. http://archquo.nouvelobs.com/cgi/articles?ad=politique/20050202.FAP1475.htmlhost=http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Internacional seminar On Integrated ecological system design for fuel,food, feed , fiber and fertilizer and Ruralization of Urban ares.
I from north east of Brasil and Dr T.Karunakaran , the vice Chancellor Ghandhi Gram rural university , India the person who really dedicate his for giving real power to rural poor using apropriate technolgy wish for the past 12 years trying to conduct this conference and need active help from our list members to make this possible. Any viable sugestion and help are needed to solve the following problems to make this real sucess. The local: Brasil, South Africa , India , Australia. Date :Jan ou Feb of 2006. Duration : 3 days Off line participation of our list members by web conference I request active participation from our list members as this is part of biofuel and JFT objectives and also request Keith personel participation. Eventhough India , Brasil and Australia have university can hold this event , I feel that any country in the South Africa can be place as all participation from south do not have money to participate . The internacional event need financial supports .This is very dificult for participants from south .South africa is much central place and also the country which need much the information exchange . Any valubale informatiion to make this plan viable will be highly appreciated. Thanking you Pannirselvam P.V Brazil -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Coconut :FOOD vS FUEL
I think coconut was advocated as the choice for a cooking oil. Also perhaps one should correspond with Mercola and ask him what he based his decision on rather than assuming he made it simply on the basis of saturated/unsaturated. He does answer mail, I challenged him on his grain bias and he responded. Charles McGee M.D. in his Heart Frauds goes into this in more depth than the Mercola article. I am wondering if you have perused a copy yet. http://www.mpopc.org.my/abtenbopo2.htm This webpage notes that coconut oil raises HDL much better than canola. Zhang writes that in hypercholesterolemic subjects, palm oil diets lower the cholesterol levels whereas soy raised it. It seems to me the lipid saturation is minor and even inconsistent in evaluating performance and is contrary to politically correct wisdom. Likewise I am coming to the conclusion LDL/HDL ratio is far more important than cholesterol level. I also object to a healthy level of cholesterol being advocated based on the results of trials conducted in a New York study made of elderly Jewish men when north Europeans and other peoples are a different genotype. I believe it is well established there are metabolic differences in disparate peoples across this world. I doubt much distinction is made of thisfactor in the double blind study in New York. Double blind is not the guarantee of truth one may at first hope for. Likewise anecdotal evidence is perhaps quite acceptable if the sample size is large enough. I really don't see the necessity of a double blind study in order to know that tight shoes pinch. The anecdotal evidence is overwhelming that they do. Kirk --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Kirk and Pannir, Maybe I should change my tag line to the Devil's Advocate. Although the results reported are certainly encouraging, and I really don't mean to disparage the Annamalai Researchers, I personally could only consider these results as suggestive at best. Here is why: Most importantly the trial was not blind; that is, the folks that got the sesame oil knew it. And as difficult as it may be to accept, the placebo effect is real and powerful. Folks can _unconsciously_ manipulate their physiology to accommodate an expectation. A treatment of the placebo effect can be found in small tome: _The Placebo Effect_ edited by Anna Harrington. There are numerous on line resources concerning the placebo effect. Also, as this group was already taking a blood pressure drug, with limited results, were other changes occurring as part of the study? Had they been warned that what they were doing was not working? Were lifestyle changes made. Maybe so, maybe not. Finally, the article noted that sesame oil is high in polyunsaturated fats. In a previous discussion the dietary value of coconut oil was touted, a la mercola's 66 dollar/gal oil. Coconut oil is a highly saturated fat. So just what is recommended, saturated or unsaturated? vegetable or animal? high cholesterol, low cholesterol? The reference provided should have been stjohn's.com for those interested in pursuing the issue. Kirk McLoren wrote: Greetings Pannir. I agree but I want to re emphasize that I think we could grow better oils than canola and soy for human consumption. For example sesame-- http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/sesame_oil_lowers_blood_pressure.htm Sesame oil lowers BP By Kylie Taggart TAMIL NADU, INDIA Researchers from the Annamalai University in Chidambaram here found cooking with sesame oil in place of other oils lowers blood pressure and the amount of medication needed to control hypertension. Dr. Devarajan Sankar (PhD) and colleagues studied 328 patients taking 10 mg to 30 mg of the calcium channel blocker nifedipine to control their hypertension. The participants were asked to switch to sesame oil from their regular cooking oil for two months. They consumed on average 35 g of sesame oil per day. Their average systolic and diastolic blood pressures were reduced from 166/101 mm Hg to 134/84.6 mm Hg. The nifedipine dosage was also lowered from an average 22.7 mg a day to 7.4 mg a day. Sesame oil is high in polyunsaturated fatty acids and vitamin E. The researchers had previously reported it lowers blood pressure in hypertensives taking diuretics and beta-blockers. The current data were presented at the Inter-American Society of Hypertension meeting recently. Article found on Medicalpost.com More information available on St.John's.com -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that
Re: [Biofuel] jatropha bio-diesel
What is jatropha ? Do you have another name for it ? Do you know the fatty acid composition ? Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: apccin apccin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] jatropha bio-diesel dear sir can someone tell me about the property of jatropha bio-diesel compare to the rapeseed oil bio-diesel and palm oil bio-diesel? thanks best regards gorvans _ Are you right for each other? Find out with our Love Calculator: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191text ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuel and energy production for dairy
I think John Fry is worth reading. His farm raised pigs and the carbon ratio of the manure is different than cows so that would have to be accomodated. The resultant fertilizer is better than just manureing a field though. Kirk --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith and our list members Can any one help the useful information to design the bookstores , Milk pasteurization and cooling , ice making based on the energy from cow manure and effluent from small milk processing industry using heat pump and solar energy too. Based upon the information , the the design details involving the co generation of heat. cold and electricity for small dairy firm will be first published here in our list as this will be latter presented in the international congress. As I urgently need this help for our group work , any help and relevant information in this regard will be highly appreciated. Thanking you Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] I'm looking for a guest speaker -- This could be fun!
Hi Everyone, I'm looking for a guest speaker to present on alternative energy and sustainability for a local chapter of The American Society of Mechanical Engineers in New Haven CT, of which I am Chair. We are planning the presentation for late March. In November, we had Ian Arbon visit from the UK. He gave an excellent presentation on sustainability and I would like to continue on a similar theme. I was wondering if someone in this group can recommend someone in my area of the country. Lodging and dinner at the event in addition to a $200.00 honorarium is customary. Depending on the distance traveled, ASME would also consider paying for transportation. It could be a lot of fun. We have an enthusiastic group who would not only respond well to this topic, but (in my opinion) are potential converts/activists to the the causes important to organizations like JTF. Regards, Mike Redler ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] I'm looking for a guest speaker -- This could be fun!
Greeting Micheal I consider your group participation is very important for Our biofuel list , JTF and also for the third world too. Thanks a lot let us try for the colaborative work. Keith can surely recomend some experts form our list from your country. sd Pannirselvam On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:18:03 -0800 (PST), Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm looking for a guest speaker to present on alternative energy and sustainability for a local chapter of The American Society of Mechanical Engineers in New Haven CT, of which I am Chair. We are planning the presentation for late March. In November, we had Ian Arbon visit from the UK. He gave an excellent presentation on sustainability and I would like to continue on a similar theme. I was wondering if someone in this group can recommend someone in my area of the country. Lodging and dinner at the event in addition to a $200.00 honorarium is customary. Depending on the distance traveled, ASME would also consider paying for transportation. It could be a lot of fun. We have an enthusiastic group who would not only respond well to this topic, but (in my opinion) are potential converts/activists to the the causes important to organizations like JTF. Regards, Mike Redler ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuel and energy production for dairy
Hi kirk Thank you Keith has already send me the book and we all thank ffor the same.We are adopting and making modification of Super Gas spherical plastic biodigesters , Rentec , Canada automatic feeding and mixing envolving biodestor pressure , but all very complex to be implemented. Keith has also send me gasfication from bangalore and also I find excelent work about cogeneration using heat pump. I need some one to help me design heat pump for milk processing for heating and cooling as this involve especialised expert design. The system involves , biogas using anaerobic digestores , one motor(gasoline) compressor to run heat pump which give hot water about 50 C , as well as cooling up to 0 C then heated via motor exhaust gas , race ponds for treatments of effluents. JTF has good references to go ahead with the project. Any one especialised experts in these project are welcome too Thanking you On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:27:49 -0800 (PST), Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think John Fry is worth reading. His farm raised pigs and the carbon ratio of the manure is different than cows so that would have to be accomodated. The resultant fertilizer is better than just manureing a field though. Kirk --- Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith and our list members Can any one help the useful information to design the bookstores , Milk pasteurization and cooling , ice making based on the energy from cow manure and effluent from small milk processing industry using heat pump and solar energy too. Based upon the information , the the design details involving the co generation of heat. cold and electricity for small dairy firm will be first published here in our list as this will be latter presented in the international congress. As I urgently need this help for our group work , any help and relevant information in this regard will be highly appreciated. Thanking you Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Keith; It would seem I interpreted the guidelines too strictly. Mike; I think it's fairly obvious that I don't shy from posting my opinion. I hesitated on that one post because of my feeling, be it online or in the real world, it's in poor taste to point out a non-technical error in public. Even then I'm likely to put it as a question. Back to the other stuff in the biofuel folder... Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] jatropha bio-diesel
Hi Gorvans The oil from rape seed and palm have glycerol linked fatty acids and hence need methanol or etanol to get way glyerine and make BioD which is an ester of acids with alcohol and thus need reator , catalysts, washing , purification and energy to mix all etc. The oil obtained from Jataropha plant is natural BIOD , that can be used directly by enegine , but need filteration. You can see more informationfrom the following link. Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ I hope you are from India , some very good work on Jataropha oil is being done by IISc Bangalore and alot more see via google and JFT I think India is leading in research in this area . sd Pannirselvam .Ph.D(IIT DELHI) Brasil _ On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:00:07 +0800, apccin apccin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear sir can someone tell me about the property of jatropha bio-diesel compare to the rapeseed oil bio-diesel and palm oil bio-diesel? thanks best regards gorvans _ Are you right for each other? Find out with our Love Calculator: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191text ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
