Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processor
Is this legal to do, build and sell a processor on ebay or are there copyrights to it, i was just wondering [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Original Message -- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:28:27 +0900 Hello Busyditch, Craig and all Someone posted a link a few months back to a person building just such a trailer and selling it on ebay.I believe he was in Pennsylvania. He hasnt had any up for a while, as I have been looking , but he may be coerced into building another. Maybe someone else has this link? I did not save it. This one, I think: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004293.html [Biofuel] Anyone know anything about this on ebay? Anyway, just put a processor set-up on a trailer, what's the problem? Mike Pelly's first processor was on a trailer, and so is his latest version, or it can be, or I think so anyway: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor11.html Pelly Model A processor - Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_mike.html Biodiesel recipe from Mike Pelly: Journey to Forever (Hey, Mike, great to see you here again, by the way! And thanks for the nice words.) Luc's processor's in a cabinet, but I guess it could just as easily be on a trailer. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html Luc's processor-in-a-cabinet Keith - Original Message - From: Craig Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processor I am looking for a processor that I can pull around the Denver area on a trailer promoting biodiesel! Craig Harris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Sent via the WebMail system at unity.unity.edu ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol runs mini hydogen fuel cells
thanks for the info, I am interested in acquiring a hydrogen fuel cell that can be converted to run on ethanol for our family farm project in the Horn of Africa and our future fishing and tourism project. any leads? selam, tom From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:00:22 -0800 (PST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol runs mini hydogen fuel cells Thomas, Regarding ethanol and methanol. I spoke with a gentlmen named David Devrie at Genesis Fuel Technology involved in methanol and ethanol reformers. http://www.genesisfueltech.com/index.html He said methanol is easier to crack and catalyze than ethanol because it has only one carbon and the ethanol as two carbons. Therefore the methanol requires less energy in the energy balance equation versus ethanol. BUT there are lots of government incentives to use ethanol. He said they make the reformers that provide the hydrogen for the fuel cell. And you hook up the the reformer to a fuel cell. Something like middleware in the software business. But they plan to come out with complete turnkey. But business is tough. --- Thomas Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Japanese have developed small hydrogen fuel cells using ethanol stored in a container based on the disposable cigarette lighter technology to power small appliances like laptop computers etc. Obviously, to be able to produce your own ethanol and run hydrogen fuel cells with it is a major advance in power production and sustainability, and should be the basis for a new transportation breakthrough in power plant technology. Has anyone heard anything more on this, I only saw a television documentary on the matter? selam, tom ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor
Please send us plans when you get mobil unit. Tks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Craig Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor Hello Francisco, Hopefully Blue Sun will help out, it would help in two ways; by promoting biodiesel and their company. If I can't get a big corp. to help then I will go with someone smaller and promote their processor! Either way I am going to educate the masses on the fact that there is alternatives. - Original Message - From: francisco j burgosmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor Dear Mr. Harris: Excellent idea...!!!. Pls keep in touch. Francisco. - Original Message - From: Craig Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processor I am looking for a processor that I can pull around the Denver area on a trailer promoting biodiesel! Craig Harris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processor
Hello Keith, Well this project is for demonstration purposes only; maybe 5-20 gallons! However it must be pretty and state of the art or I will not get my target audience. The media! coupled with schools and parks! The idea is get consumers interested! Yes I could strap an Apple seed to a trailer; but that's not what I want. - Original Message - From: Keith Addisonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processor Hello Busyditch, Craig and all Someone posted a link a few months back to a person building just such a trailer and selling it on ebay.I believe he was in Pennsylvania. He hasnt had any up for a while, as I have been looking , but he may be coerced into building another. Maybe someone else has this link? I did not save it. This one, I think: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004293.htmlhttp://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004293.html [Biofuel] Anyone know anything about this on ebay? Anyway, just put a processor set-up on a trailer, what's the problem? Mike Pelly's first processor was on a trailer, and so is his latest version, or it can be, or I think so anyway: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor11.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor11.html Pelly Model A processor - Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_mike.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_mike.html Biodiesel recipe from Mike Pelly: Journey to Forever (Hey, Mike, great to see you here again, by the way! And thanks for the nice words.) Luc's processor's in a cabinet, but I guess it could just as easily be on a trailer. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html Luc's processor-in-a-cabinet Keith - Original Message - From: Craig Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processor I am looking for a processor that I can pull around the Denver area on a trailer promoting biodiesel! Craig Harris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] liquid glycerine
Hi, I've been making Biodiesel (BD) for a few months, now.. using the Mike Pelly method.. and a curious thing happened with the last batch (my batches are in approx. 160 - 180 litres).. the glycerine was liquid after the reaction. This is the first time this has occurred for me, all other times the glycerine formed and settle in my tank, and was solid at low temperatures. I had measured accurately, the quantities of methanol, caustic soda and volume of oil...( I had an interested observer, who can testify if required!! :-) ) I watched the colour of the mixture change, as I was agitating, from a light caramel colour to a dark molasses colour... then observed the glycerine start to settle, as expected. At this time the glycerine was quite warm, so was still liquid, however, I let the mixture settle for a 2 week period and the glycerine has not set firm. maybe I should not complain.. 'cos it was easy to drain out of the tank! :-) Did the reaction not go far enough? Any further ideas on what has happened?? regards, Paul. --- Paul Tanner Software IT Architect Melbourne, Australia ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel emissions request
Even, Here are some stats! http://www.gobluesun.com/html/benefits.htmlhttp://www.gobluesun.com/html/benefits.html# - Original Message - From: Keith Addisonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel emissions request Hello Evan Hello All, Somehow or another I was put on this bioiuel email list (I dont know how) but its great, so thank you to whoever put me on this list. Um, you did - nobody puts anyone on this list except themselves. You applied at the end of January and were asked by the List administration for further details, which you provided, describing your processor on a trailer. But then there was a glitch: your subscription should have gone through immediately but it got stuck in the system somehow, where I discovered it a couple of days ago. A swift kick dislodged it like a cork from a champagne bottle, and here you are. Sorry about that, I'm pleased you're happy about it. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner For the past 2 years, I have been working on my biodiesel project, as kind of my engineering hobby. Its a fully functional processor trailler mounted with all push-button operations. I am neering the finish of my machine, and hope to work with it and students here at Unity College in Maine (americas env. college) www.unity.eduhttp://www.unity.edu/. I hope next year to get this college to make there own fuel, as we always try to lead by example. For my statistics project this semester, I am trying to figure out if biodiesel either has a significantly less amount of power than diesel fuel, or if biodiesel emits a significantly less amount of toxins. DOES anyone have the data I need to do either of these problems, I cant seem to find anothing on the web? Much thanks and I hope to be able to work with all who are out there to make biodiesel work. Evan Franklin Deputy Chief, Unity Search Rescue, Dispatcher, Operation Game Thief, Unity College, Unity Maine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
Wow, This information sounds SO drastic. I will imediatly build a time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cladisporium resinae
Hi there good people, does anyone out there have any experience of the growth of this organism in Bio? I've had a lot to do with it in my capacity as an aircraft Engineer and it's got rid of ( or kept under control at least ) by the addition of some pretty toxic chemicals to the fuel which effectively act as a weedkiller for want of a better expression. Look forward to any response. Phil Lloyd ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Dear Hakan, Thanks for your observations. I do love Europe. I traveled to Ireland, England, France and Spain. But Since I am born in US and in order to lighten things up in this heavy discussion. Here are some interesting comments with my buddies - some are real blue collar some are real white collar office types: My breakfast buddies and I have a running discussion on how texans are sooo different from californians and how vermontians are soo different than floridians and so forth. As a matter of fact we concluded that the US is a bag full of independent states and texans are always seen as a bit different by us US'ns. Hey - texas was a dang republic at one time and wanted to be seperate for the US. And everyone here knows that you don't mess with those texans (remember theh Alamo). So on the lighter side of things, yes, there are certainly differences - I think. I am partial to California. But then again, my Southern Califorina buddies want to cecede from Northern California. And some people in the Southwest still think its part of Mexico..(The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo). But I think every country goes through this. For example my grandmothter had land in another country but had to flee during a revolution and came to the US. But my granpa was born here and so was his dad, and his dad and so forth. I do love Europe. I traveled to Ireland, England, France and Spain. --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phillip, It is multiple sources and some of them quite credible. The worst thing is that it is collaborated by real events. In the past, the general view towards Americans was a love/irritation relationship. When I was working in US and decided to move back to Europe. My American friends could not understand it. They claimed that I missed chance, I was an immigrant that US wanted and would encourage to stay and get citizenship. My answer was that despite it is no other place that have so much toys for grown ups, I felt like living on an isolated Island with a dominant population of children. I am today very upset and disturbed. In my life I worked a lot with US and have many dear American friends. George W. Bush, his administration and cohorts, have made my dear friends look like dangerous and corrupted lunatics. I am also very worried, because the love/irritation relationship has been transcended to a hate relationship. Where Americans, women and children often says you do not like me, to get a confirmation on that this is not the case, I have never felt that it was hate. What I see and hear now, is signs of real hate towards the Americans in the rest of the world and it is not promising. I only hope that this will change with the term limitation of George W. Bush and that he will not succeed with a Hitler like coup to prolong his reign. This feeling of an eternal conflict situation, is not good for me and the world. Hakan At 10:45 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote: holy Mackeral! How credible are the sources? --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Secret US plans for Iraq's oil by Greg Palast The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed. Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protesters claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered. In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of Big Oil executives and US State Department pragmatists. Big Oil appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants. Insiders told Newsnight that planning began within weeks of Bush's first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on the US. An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He described a State Department plan for a forced coup d'etat. Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration. Secret sell-off plan The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
On Mar 29, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Phillip Wolfe wrote: .. we concluded that the US is a bag full of independent states and texans are always seen as a bit different by us US'ns. Hey - texas was a dang republic at one time and wanted to be seperate for the US. And everyone here knows that you don't mess with those texans (remember theh Alamo). So on the lighter side of things, yes, there are certainly differences - I think. I am partial to California. But then again, my Southern Califorina buddies want to cecede from Northern California. And some people in the Southwest still think its part of Mexico..(The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo). Personally, I'm looking forward to the eventual Balkanization of the US -- it probably won't happen in my lifetime, but you never know, and it's sure to happen eventually. As a confederation of strong states, US made sense -- as a single centralized entity a la Soviet Union or Yugoslavia, it doesn't. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Mapping The Oil Motive
Tom, You are in the best case right, but I think that the crises is less than one generation (20 years) away. The statement you make have no support in known facts, especially since the usage growth rate seems to be grossly underestimated. The reserves from the Oil companies has already been proven to be over estimated, with almost a third for Shell only. Hakan At 09:59 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote: Hi All, I am an environmental scientist by education and my latest research is on sustainable development. As near as I can tell there is no shortage of oil. There may be shortages of production, shortages of distribution but for at least another generation there will be no shortage of oil due to lack of material. Here is the key reasoning. We still have not tapped all the available reserves on land. All the Gulf war stuff is about underdeveloped Iraqi oil and the as yet untouched and shallow (read highly profitable) oil in the Azerbijan region. Oil is produced under oceans. Although we have found most of the terrestrial based oil, it represents only 1/8 the planets surface area. That leaves 7/8 of the planet where we have hardly begun the search for new sources. A recent National Geographic article displayed new technology that was enabling drilling off the continental shelf in water 1500 feet deep. Now oil from that depth won't be cheap but it still will be available. With prices at $57/ barrel it becomes economically feasable to look even deeper. The point and the problem is that there will be no lack of oil. The problem will be from the climate change that is already here and will only worsen as we convert fossilized carbon from solid and liquid from into gaseous carbon dioxide. I recently rewrote a global warming headline, Hemingway turns in his grave as the Snows of Kilamanjaro dissappear from the Earth forever. That's the problem folks. Sincerely, Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/29/05 2:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Mapping The Oil Motive http://www.tompaine.com/articles/mapping_the_oil_motive.php Mapping The Oil Motive Michael T. Klare March 18, 2005 The Bush administration has publicly advanced a number of reasons for going to war in Iraq, from WMDs to the Iraqi people's need for liberation. Michael Klare reviews the evidence that securing America's source of oil was a decisive factor in the White House's decision to invade-and looks at whether the administration succeeded. Michael T. Klare is a professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and the author, most recently, of Blood and Oil: The Dangers and Consequences of America's Growing Petroleum Dependency (Metropolitan Books) What role did oil play in the U.S. decision to invade Iraq? If oil did play a significant role, what, exactly, did President Bush and his associates hope to accomplish in this regard? To what degree did they succeed? These are questions that will no doubt occupy analysts for many years to come, but that can and should be answered now-as the American people debate the validity of the invasion and Bush administration gears up for a possible war against Iran under circumstances very similar to those prevailing in Iraq in early 2003. In addressing these questions, it should be noted that the U.S. invasion of Iraq was a matter of choice, not of necessity. The United States did not act in response to an aggressive move by a hostile power directed against this country or one of its allies, but rather employed force on its own volition to advance (what the administration viewed as) U.S. national interests. This means that we cannot identify a precipitating action for war, but instead must examine the calculus of costs and benefits that persuaded President Bush to invade Iraq at that particular moment. On one side of this ledger were the disincentives to war: the loss of American lives, the expenditure of vast sums of money and the alienation of America's allies. To outweigh these negatives, and opt for war, would require powerful incentives. But what were they? This is the question that has so bedeviled pundits and analysts since the onset of combat. It is highly doubtful that any one factor tipped the balance toward invasion. A war of choice is rarely precipitated by a single objective, but rather stems from a combination of contributing factors. In this case, many come to mind: legitimate concern over Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction; an inclination to demonstrate the effectiveness of the administration's pre-emptive war doctrine; increased security for Israel; the promotion of democracy in the Middle East; U.S. domination of the Persian Gulf region; and a thirst for Iraqi oil. All of these, and possibly others, are likely to have figured to some degree in the president's decision to invade. What is difficult is to ascertain is how these factors were ranked in the administration's calculus; what we can do, however, is to put
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Willie
Well I thought I'd do a little research as the National Press Club, which does host very distinguished invited speakers very frequently, and is an organization that I hold in fairly high esteem. It turns out that the National Press Club does not list any event including any Joseph Newman so while he may be hosting his News Conference at the NPC he is not speaking to the NPC a big difference. So unless there's been some mistake on the press clubs event listing it looks like a manufactured grab for legitimacy. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Bob It's a hardy perennial - it last came up two years ago, with much amusement over such things as the magical gas pump that never runs out, the wonders of poteen, green cheese, and pickled leprechauns (hence their scarcity), along with an expert opinion that heavier-than-air machines do indeed not fly. I think your advice on wallets might be apt. Whatever happened to Dennis Lee? No disrespect Scott, but you must also be new to thermodynamics. Newman's BS has been around for years, but that's all it is. What is it about magnets that so mystify people? Hmm... another hardy perennial... I do hope we aren't going to have magnets strapped to our fuel lines again. That makes for serious flame wars, judging from past experience. I think I banned them at one stage, didn't I? By popular demand. Best Keith From His webpage: In other words, the revolutionary nature of this system is the fact that Joseph Newman has discovered a new electromagnetic principle of nature and has innovated a technology capable of converting mass (copper coil) into energy (in accordance with E=mc^2) via a highly efficient electromagnetic reaction rather than an inefficient fission reaction. Hold on to you wallet if he is around. Scott wrote: snip Oh, I almost forgot. For those interested in other forms of alternate energy, there will be a press conference at the National Press Club next Monday afternoon. Joseph Newman will explain and demonstrates his newest energy machine prototype 1pm Monday, March 28, 2005 - Energy News Conference - DC National Press Club - - NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY DEMO - Newman Energy Machine News Conference [1]http://www.josephnewman.com Joseph Newman will display/demonstrate his newest energy machine that is a quantum leap above his earlier energy machine technology. As the price of oil escalates, Joseph Newman's energy machine is an inexpensive, non-polluting electromagnetic source for the world's energy needs. This technology provides access to virtually unlimited energy that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly. The Newman energy machine is an electromagnetic motor that runs COOL (unlike ALL conventional motors) and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in accordance with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. The Newman energy machine will provide a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear energy sources. This technology will power every automobile, home, appliance, farm, factory, ship, and plane at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy. A worldwide inexpensive energy source will have profound geopolitical implications for the Middle East. -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [2]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [4]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. http://www.josephnewman.com/ 2. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Set up help
Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run, how much fuel you burn, how long you run it, how old is it, how often do you maintain the fuel system, any unexpected problems. - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke: Don't bother making biodiesel for your stationary genset. Simply filter the wvo to 5 microns, heat it to 160 degrees and burn it directly in your genset. I've been doing this for over a year now with my stationary genset, running it 24/7 with no ill effects. Good luck. Gene, from the wild beaches of San Diego,CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production once it is set up? I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke From the wild hills of Montana ___ Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?
Dear Mr.Keith, I'll try to contribute on topics which you 've suggested after I return to my base at Chennai. Regards, D.V.S Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear D.V. Nice to hear from you again. Dear Mr. Keith, I 've just come to know that you were hospitalied and back on the road to recovery. I pray for yr speedy recovery to normalcy and the good work you have been at. Thankyou! Hindu philosophy says that goodwork done for the community without expecting any return has its own rewards during yr current tenure (life) or the next . I completely agree with that. I also think though that you can find similar beliefs in all philosophies and cultures (though it may take a little digging!). I should say though that my reservations in the previous message are not about returns and rewards but more about what's worth doing and whether some things are more worth doing than others. I've said all this before, I've been saying it for a long time. Running this Biofuel list has been something of a labour of Sisyphus for us at Journey to Forever. We did not expect any reward for it, but it has held us back from doing our other work, also work done for the community without any expectation of reward, but work we felt is more important to us than the Biofuel list is. Journey to Forever is about combating hunger and poverty in a rich world, about sustainability - more important subjects than biofuels. Of course biofuels are a part of that, but it has consumed a quite disproportionate amount of our available time and resources (and still does). This should not be the case - this list should very largely be able to run itself as a self-moderating community without very much input from us. It's shown that it is capable of that, and that it's what most of the members want, but it's erratic. It needs to be able to stand on its own feet. If it still has to depend on me, after all this time, then I must deem it a failure. What takes time? Maintaining and administering the list takes a lot of time, all the invisible stuff nobody sees. I just posted a bunch of news items, which I often do (and so do others), but that doesn't take any time, the stuff arrives of its own accord, I just select and forward it; I'll post a further bunch of stuff from DieselNet a bit later, that doesn't take any time either. But when Pan said I'm needed to make the list dynamic, There is need for your reply of many post here, I don't think he was referring to those posts. I've written a lot of posts on all aspects of sustainability, community self-reliance, appropriate technology and so on, all pertinent to biofuels issues (IMO), and that does take time. And it's what makes it worthwhile from Journey to Forever's point of view. But it just doesn't seem to go anywhere, it doesn't get the ball rolling, very few people ever pick it up and take it further. Yet a lot of people have told me that they really appreciate that input from me. And I suppose it has helped to give the list its scope and character. If I stopped doing it, what would happen? Would the list continue to develop as a forum for discussion of biofuels issues in their true context of global sustainability, or would it degenerate into endless rehashings of where to buy your methanol and what to do with the washwater? Which is all in the archives anyway, many times over. Do we go forward, or do we just go round and round? These are some of the things Pan has said, to which I referred, with which I very much agree, and plenty of others here do too: ... to make our list as uniquely balanced international forum to provide useful solution to rural energy crisis.Surely 2005 or list can do better tthan 2004 , if all of us can spent some time to our group and giving the heping hand. I wish a happy 2005 and look forward exchange of information not only biofuel for rural region , but also our list members projects for ruralization of urban areas, of curse certainly with the useful ecologically sound biofuel projects Read this one: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050124/005235.html [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil ... The thin posting here, as Keith pointed out , I feel is lack of main subject thread for debate and discussion such as biogas ethanol form biomass, Diesel from wastes. etc We need to depend posts on tecnical subjects and new informations. For example,some thread for debate are: The best way to make methane from solid wates, which are complex subject that need integration of two process composting with bioconversion of methane . But conventional composting will not do the job , then enzymatic one is not practical on as Keith used point out the lab to internationall articall only.What is the best way? We also need here new information flow here ,as our list members are really sleeping. And this: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050207/005726.html [Biofuel] Re: Coconut :FOOD vS
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Firstly, Keith: good to see you back! Hope all is well with your health now (or the future is rosy). Hakan, you have reflected my sentiments exactly. I too think it is time the Western world woke up to the fact that so many in this world have so little. It is time the resources were spread more equitably. regards Doug On Wednesday 30 March 2005 8:52, Hakan Falk wrote: Phillip, It is multiple sources and some of them quite credible. The worst thing is that it is collaborated by real events. In the past, the general view towards Americans was a love/irritation relationship. When I was working in US and decided to move back to Europe. My American friends could not understand it. They claimed that I missed chance, I was an immigrant that US wanted and would encourage to stay and get citizenship. My answer was that despite it is no other place that have so much toys for grown ups, I felt like living on an isolated Island with a dominant population of children. I am today very upset and disturbed. In my life I worked a lot with US and have many dear American friends. George W. Bush, his administration and cohorts, have made my dear friends look like dangerous and corrupted lunatics. I am also very worried, because the love/irritation relationship has been transcended to a hate relationship. Where Americans, women and children often says you do not like me, to get a confirmation on that this is not the case, I have never felt that it was hate. What I see and hear now, is signs of real hate towards the Americans in the rest of the world and it is not promising. I only hope that this will change with the term limitation of George W. Bush and that he will not succeed with a Hitler like coup to prolong his reign. This feeling of an eternal conflict situation, is not good for me and the world. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cladisporium resinae
Hi Phil, are you referring to the plant producing castor oil ? Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Phil Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Cladisporium resinae Hi there good people, does anyone out there have any experience of the growth of this organism in Bio? I've had a lot to do with it in my capacity as an aircraft Engineer and it's got rid of ( or kept under control at least ) by the addition of some pretty toxic chemicals to the fuel which effectively act as a weedkiller for want of a better expression. Look forward to any response. Phil Lloyd ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine
Hello Paul. It seems to me that you produced some soap that time. Did you measure the FFA content before starting ? Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Paul Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Hi, I've been making Biodiesel (BD) for a few months, now.. using the Mike Pelly method.. and a curious thing happened with the last batch (my batches are in approx. 160 - 180 litres).. the glycerine was liquid after the reaction. This is the first time this has occurred for me, all other times the glycerine formed and settle in my tank, and was solid at low temperatures. I had measured accurately, the quantities of methanol, caustic soda and volume of oil...( I had an interested observer, who can testify if required!! :-) ) I watched the colour of the mixture change, as I was agitating, from a light caramel colour to a dark molasses colour... then observed the glycerine start to settle, as expected. At this time the glycerine was quite warm, so was still liquid, however, I let the mixture settle for a 2 week period and the glycerine has not set firm. maybe I should not complain.. 'cos it was easy to drain out of the tank! :-) Did the reaction not go far enough? Any further ideas on what has happened?? regards, Paul. --- Paul Tanner Software IT Architect Melbourne, Australia ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine
It doesn't make any difference, other than that as you say it's a lot easier to work with when it's liquid. Please see: How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#howmuchglyc All is explained. If you want liquid glyc by-product, use KOH, for details of which see the same page: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own biodiesel: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith Hi, I've been making Biodiesel (BD) for a few months, now.. using the Mike Pelly method.. and a curious thing happened with the last batch (my batches are in approx. 160 - 180 litres).. the glycerine was liquid after the reaction. This is the first time this has occurred for me, all other times the glycerine formed and settle in my tank, and was solid at low temperatures. I had measured accurately, the quantities of methanol, caustic soda and volume of oil...( I had an interested observer, who can testify if required!! :-) ) I watched the colour of the mixture change, as I was agitating, from a light caramel colour to a dark molasses colour... then observed the glycerine start to settle, as expected. At this time the glycerine was quite warm, so was still liquid, however, I let the mixture settle for a 2 week period and the glycerine has not set firm. maybe I should not complain.. 'cos it was easy to drain out of the tank! :-) Did the reaction not go far enough? Any further ideas on what has happened?? regards, Paul. --- Paul Tanner Software IT Architect Melbourne, Australia ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
holy Mackeral! How credible are the sources? Greg Palast is very credible indeed, he hasn't got it wrong yet, to my knowledge. Best wishes Keith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Secret US plans for Iraq's oil by Greg Palast The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed. Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protesters claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered. In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of Big Oil executives and US State Department pragmatists. Big Oil appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants. Insiders told Newsnight that planning began within weeks of Bush's first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on the US. An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He described a State Department plan for a forced coup d'etat. Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration. Secret sell-off plan The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas. The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according to Robert Ebel. Mr Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told Newsnight he flew to the London meeting at the request of the State Department. Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan's back-channel to Saddam, claims that plans to sell off Iraq's oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks on US and British occupying forces. Insurgents used this, saying, 'Look, you're losing your country, you're losing your resources to a bunch of wealthy billionaires who want to take you over and make your life miserable,' said Mr Aljibury from his home near San Francisco. We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, built on the premise that privatisation is coming. Privatisation blocked by industry Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of Iraq's oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme. Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: There was to be no privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved. Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq's oil fields. He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said America should have gone ahead with what he called a no-brainer decision. Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, I would agree with that statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought about by someone with no brain. New plans, obtained from the State Department by Newsnight and Harper's Magazine under the US Freedom of Information Act, called for creation of a state-owned oil company favoured by the US oil industry. It was completed in January 2004 under the guidance of Amy Jaffe of the James Baker Institute in Texas. Formerly US Secretary of State, Baker is now an attorney representing Exxon-Mobil and the Saudi Arabian government. View segments of Iraq oil plans at www.GregPalast.com Questioned by Newsnight, Ms Jaffe said the oil industry prefers state control of Iraq's oil over a sell-off because it fears a repeat of Russia's energy privatisation. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, US oil companies were barred from bidding for the reserves. Ms Jaffe says US oil companies are not warm to any plan that would undermine Opec and the current high oil price: I'm not sure that if I'm the chair of an American company, and you put me on a lie detector test, I would say high oil prices are bad for me or my company. The former
[Biofuel] Biofools Day :^)
Global Exchange is organizing a Biofools day (the call it fossil fools day). http://globalexchange.org/campaigns/oil/fossilfoolsday.html You have two days to turn this into an international event. Good luck! (For those of you who don't have an April Fools tradition, here's a good place to read about it http://www.infoplease.com/spot/aprilfools1.html) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
a time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul Actually, Farmer Paul, your original post (below) was simply a bunch of opinionations that lacked both substantiation and substance. You've since had some responses that did not lack substantiation. Sneers and more unsubstantiated opinionations are not an acceptable response. The List rules, which you're obliged to read, and which you've been referred to before, say this, among other things: If someone questions you, don't just ignore them. You should be prepared to substantiate what you say, or to acknowledge it if you can't. The List rules are here: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Respond to the replies your post received in a reasoned manner to support your views, as you would have to do in any normal discussion. Respond by return please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Please do not Quote items form THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS I am one American why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist. Have you ever seen the area to be used for oil development. It is a vast frozen desert. Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the caribou when the Alaska pipe line was built. We now have MORE Caribou than before the pipeline. Don't make such wild accusations. They are beginning to sound like background noise. FArmer Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] when will it run out
I was reminded recently of the power of compounding. At linear rates, if we have 100 units of oil and use it one unit per year, we can last 100 years. But if our usage grows five percent per year, we will run out in year 37. Every industrialized economy is built on the hope of perpetual growth. While the proportion changes as we gain efficiency, energy use tracks that growth. Hence, the compounding of growth is always shortening our horizon even as efficiency and new discoveries lengthen it. The problem, however, isn't running out. It is our collective reactions as we see the horizon get close. The recent postings on this list are describing a great game that is based on the powerful's reactions to a close horizon--a reaction based not simply on how to protect the future, but on how to protect the future and their own power in that future. Jim Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:58:44 +0200 From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Mapping The Oil Motive To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Tom, You are in the best case right, but I think that the crises is less than one generation (20 years) away. The statement you make have no support in known facts, especially since the usage growth rate seems to be grossly underestimated. The reserves from the Oil companies has already been proven to be over estimated, with almost a third for Shell only. Hakan At 09:59 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote: Hi All, I am an environmental scientist by education and my latest research is on sustainable development. As near as I can tell there is no shortage of oil. There may be shortages of production, shortages of distribution but for at least another generation there will be no shortage of oil due to lack of material. Here is the key reasoning. We still have not tapped all the available reserves on land. All the Gulf war stuff is about underdeveloped Iraqi oil and the as yet untouched and shallow (read highly profitable) oil in the Azerbijan region. Oil is produced under oceans. Although we have found most of the terrestrial based oil, it represents only 1/8 the planets surface area. That leaves 7/8 of the planet where we have hardly begun the search for new sources. A recent National Geographic article displayed new technology that was enabling drilling off the continental shelf in water 1500 feet deep. Now oil from that depth won't be cheap but it still will be available. With prices at $57/ barrel it becomes economically feasable to look even deeper. The point and the problem is that there will be no lack of oil. The problem will be from the climate change that is already here and will only worsen as we convert fossilized carbon from solid and liquid from into gaseous carbon dioxide. I recently rewrote a global warming headline, Hemingway turns in his grave as the Snows of Kilamanjaro dissappear from the Earth forever. That's the problem folks. Sincerely, Tom Irwin James Dontje Sustainability and Environmental Studies Berea College ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Lobbyists see a tradeoff -- ANWR for CAFE standards
http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Business/031605.html Afraid that their vote to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration might make Congress more likely to increase fuel efficiency standards, the automobile industry is trying to polish its image. The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers is claiming, in newspaper and radio ads, and on cleaning sponges given to Congressional staffers, that cars are 99% cleaner than they used to be. (The Union of Concerned Scientists calls the Auto Alliance campaign highly misleading.) An Auto Alliance spokesperson said increased fuel standards would be very difficult to achieve, because of the popularity of large vehicles. It's not what we manufacture; it's what consumers buy, she said. SOURCE: The Hill, March 16, 2005 - http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Business/031605.html Lobbyists see a tradeoff -- ANWR for CAFE standards By Jim Snyder Congressional staffers received cleaning sponges last week, compliments of an auto industry trying to polish its image. The sponges carried the same message as earlier newspaper advertisements (in such places as The Hill) and radio spots: Cars are 99 percent cleaner than they used to be. Some senators want automobiles to be cleaner still, through tougher average-mileage standards attached to a comprehensive energy bill. That position appeared to receive a boost last week when Energy and Natural Resources Committee Chairman Pete Domenici (R-N.M.) suggested a greater willingness to cut demand for oil by requiring cars to go farther on a tank of gas. Domenici said he would be delighted to include a viable corporate average fuel economy, or CAFE, provision in the energy bill. With a possible Senate debate looming on boosting energy supplies by opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to drilling, some lobbyists see a potential tradeoff. ANWR is happening. That's the supply side. Republicans may be saying, 'Now let's do something more on the demand side,' said one utility lobbyist who supports the energy bill but doesn't have a stake in whether it increases average fuel-economy standards. Marnie Funk, a spokeswoman for the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, said that many of the amendments that Democrats threatened to offer in the last Congress if a Republican-crafted energy bill returned to the floor focused on conservation. While Domenici felt his bill was balanced, Funk added, Absolutely, we are open to doing more. Bill Wicker, spokesman for committee Democrats, said his side was still waiting to hear what viable means to Republicans. The auto industry - which says an overly aggressive CAFE boost would force layoffs - is revving up for the debate. It has done so by noting, through sponges and advertisements, that cars are already much cleaner than they were three decades ago. But upping the fuel standard could be very difficult to achieve, said Gloria Bergquist, a spokeswoman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents domestic and foreign car manufacturers. Carmakers say they are at the mercy of their market because CAFE averages fuel efficiencies of cars on the road and not the cars that are made. It's not what we manufacture; it's what consumers buy, Bergquist said. Consumers have increasingly favored larger vehicles, such as SUVs, which fall under the less stringent light-truck CAFE standards. Carmakers want CAFE changes to be handled by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, which can review the difficult technicalities of changing CAFE over a period of months, rather than by Congress, Bergquist said. The current automobile CAFE - 27.5 miles per gallon - has been the standard since 1990. Light trucks will have to meet an average fuel economy of 22.2 miles a gallon in 2007, up from the current standard of 20.7 mpg. Backed by environmental groups, lawmakers have tried for years to increase auto fuel-efficiency standards, but congressional efforts have failed. That's despite the call from some Republicans to increase CAFE standards as a way to reduce America's dependence on foreign oil. Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) have introduced bills in past sessions to raise the standard as high as 36 miles per gallon. Even with rising prices, demand for gasoline in the United States continues to grow. According to the Energy Information Administration (EIA), which records energy statistics for the Energy Department, motorists used 8.93 million barrels of gasoline a day in 2003. In 2004, that was projected to have increased to 9.06 million barrels per day. A decade ago, demand stood at 7.6 million barrels a day, according to the EIA. Bergquist said the auto industry favors tax incentives to purchase fuel-efficient cars such as hybrids or cars that run on clean diesel. The alliance, for instance, urged
[Biofuel] Hot Air and Global Warming
Cumulative Environmental Effects of Oil and Gas Activities on Alaska's North Slope Download the 4 page Report Brief: http://books.nap.edu/html/north_slope/reportbrief.pdf Read the Full 452 Page Report Online: http://www.nap.edu/books/0309087376/html/ http://www.sitnews.net/0303news/030503_nas_report.html Effects of Oil and Gas Development Are Accumulating On Northern Alaska's Environment and Native Cultures http://www.alaskawild.org/pressroom_mythsfacts.html Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - Myths Facts --- http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0325-22.htm Published on Friday, March 25, 2005 by the Boston Globe Hot Air and Global Warming by Derrick Z. Jackson Every time the world calls for action on climate change, the United States emits more White House gases. The latest puff came from James Connaughton, the director of environmental quality, during last week's conference of 20 nations that met in London to attempt once again to make global warming a global priority. At the conference, British economic minister Gordon Brown said, ''Climate change is a consequence of the build-up of greenhouse gases over the past 200 years in the atmosphere and virtually all these emissions came from the rich countries. Indeed, we became rich through those emissions. Connaughton's response, in an interview with the British Broadcasting Corporation, was, ''We're still working on the issue of causation. Brown said, ''We now have sufficient evidence that human-made climate change is the most far-reaching and almost certainly the most threatening of all the environmental challenges facing us. Connaughton's response as to what he referred as ''the extent to which humans are a factor, was, ''They may be. Brown said, ''The industrialized countries must take responsibility first in reducing their emissions of greenhouse gases. Connaughton complained instead that the target in the Kyoto treaty for the United States to reduce emissions ''was so unreasonable in our ability to meet it that the only we could have met it was to shift energy-intensive manufacturing to other countries. Two days after dismissing coalition building, the United States went back to emissions building. The Senate, by a vote of 51-49, finally approved oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. On efforts to stop global warming, Connaughton said, ''We are trying now to find a portfolio in which three words are important: technology, technology, and technology. He meant drilling, drilling, drilling. Two years ago the National Academies of Science said that even with improved technologies, drilling on the north slope of Alaska has degraded the tundra, altered wildlife patterns, and has resulted in social problems that blunt claims of unqualified economic progress. Many scientists have said that the oil in the refuge is so relatively minuscule that we would be better off if we simply made our cars more fuel efficient. Although Connaughton claimed we are ''trying to find technology, we refuse to use it. The National Academies has for years said the technology exists for more fuel efficient cars. But Congress and the White House, imprisoned by the oil and auto lobby, refuse to raise them. The vote to drill in Alaska was parallel to another Senate vote to deny an additional $1 billion for Amtrak when studies show that well-developed rail systems can slash traffic and thus global-warming pollution. The United States consumes a quarter of the world's oil and produces a quarter of the planet's greenhouse gases despite being 4 percent of the population. Yet when Brown said that the industrialized countries must take responsibility first, we become the most immature adolescent on Earth, doing precisely the opposite of what we need to do. Earlier in the month, the former chief scientific adviser to the British government, Lord May of Oxford, bluntly compared Bush to a modern-day Nero. Last fall, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said, ''If what the science tells about climate change is correct, then unabated it will result in catastrophic consequences for our world. The science almost certainly is correct. At the recent London conference, Brown said, ''Environmental issues including climate change have traditionally been placed in a category separate from the economy and from economic policy. But this is no longer tenable. Across a range of environmental issues, from soil erosion to the depletion of marine stocks, from water scarcity to air pollution, it is clear now not just that economic activity is their cause, but that these problems in themselves threaten future economic activity and growth. Nero and his fiddlers would hear none of that. Asked last month what the science was on global warming, Connaughton said on CNBC, ''There are many different views. The science ceased to have many views years ago. The very first sentence in the executive summary of
[Biofuel] The Energy Crunch To Come
March 22, 2005 The Energy Crunch To Come By Michael T. Klare Data released annually at this time by the major oil companies on their prior-year performances rarely generates much interest outside the business world. With oil prices at an all-time high and Big Oil reporting record profits, however, this year has been exceptional. Many media outlets covered the announcement of mammoth profits garnered by ExxonMobil, the nation's wealthiest public corporation, and other large firms. Exxon's fourth-quarter earnings, at $8.42 billion, represented the highest quarterly income ever reported by an American firm. This is the most profitable company in the world, declared Nick Raich, research director of Zacks Investment Research in Chicago. But cheering as the recent announcements may have been for many on Wall Street, they also contained a less auspicious sign. Despite having spent billions of dollars on exploration, the major energy firms are reporting few new discoveries and so have been digging ever deeper into existing reserves. If this trend continues -- and there is every reason to assume it will -- the world is headed for a severe and prolonged energy crunch in the not-too-distant future. To put this in perspective, bear in mind that the global oil industry has, until now, largely been able to increase its combined output every year in step with rising world demand. True, there have been a number of occasions when demand has outpaced supply, producing temporary shortages and high gasoline prices at the pump. But the industry has always been able been able to catch up again and so quench the world's insatiable thirst for oil. This has been possible because the big energy companies kept up a constant and successful search for new sources of oil to supplement the supplies drawn from their existing reserves. The world's known reserves still contain a lot of oil -- approximately 1.1 trillion barrels, by the estimates of experts at the oil major BP -- but they cannot satisfy rising world demand indefinitely; and so, in the absence of major new discoveries, we face a gradual contraction in the global supply of petroleum. Signs of an Energy Crunch It is in this context that the following disclosures, all reported in recent months, take on such significance. * ConocoPhillips, the Houston-based amalgam of Continental Oil and Phillips Petroleum, announced in January that new additions to its oil reserves in 2004 amounted to only about 60-65% of all the oil it produced that year, entailing a significant depletion of those existing reserves. * ChevronTexaco, the second largest U.S. energy firm after ExxonMobil, also reported a significant imbalance between oil production and replacement. Although not willing to disclose the precise nature of the company's shortfall, chief executive Dave O'Reilly told analysts that he expects our 2004 reserves-replacement rate to be low. * Royal Dutch/Shell, already reeling from admissions last year that it had over-stated its oil and natural gas reserves by 20%, recently lowered its estimated holdings by another 10%, bringing its net loss to the equivalent of 5.3 billion barrels of oil. Even more worrisome, Shell announced in February that it had replaced only about 45-55% of the oil and gas it produced in 2004, an unexpectedly disappointing figure. These and similar disclosures suggest that the major private oil companies are failing to discover promising new sources of petroleum just as demand for their products soars. According to a recent study released by PFC Energy of Washington, D.C., over the past 20 years, the major oil firms have been producing and consuming twice as much oil as they have been finding. In effect, says Mike Rodgers, author of the report, the world's crude oil supply is still largely dependent on legacy assets discovered during the exploration heydays. True, vast reservoirs of untapped petroleum were discovered in those heydays, mostly the 1950s and 1960s, but these reserves, being finite, will eventually run dry and, if not replaced soon, will leave the world facing a devastating energy crunch. The notion that world oil supplies are likely to contract in the years ahead is hotly contested by numerous analysts in government and industry, who contend that many large fields await discovery. Is the resource base large enough [to satisfy rising world demand]? We believe it is, affirmed ExxonMobil president Rex W. Tillerson in December. But other experts cast doubt on such claims by pointing to those disappointing reserve-replacement rates. We've run out of good projects, said Matt Simmons, head of the oil-investment bank Simmons Co. International. This is not a money issue If these companies had fantastic projects, they'd be out there [developing new fields]. That the major oil firms see few promising new fields to invest in right now is further suggested by reports
Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor
I've seen a couple of trailers in the Upstate NY area with a trailer setup. Unfortunately, I couldn't talk to the person(s) as we were both driving past each other on the NY thruway at maximum speeds. It's a shame, as the chap had all stainless steel tanks and a really nice pump! The setup was very professional and well thought out. Girl Mark has a basic trailer setup with pictures at veggieavenger web site below that she may trailers to speaking engagements. A functional simplistic setup that can be made to look neater if someone desired. Note the condenser reclaim to the liquid trap! Very nice addition! Some other photos available at that site of other processors setups as well. -Kevin http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=505sid=5813174dac69cb9342d5659af9112f43 Dear Mr. Harris: Please send us plans when you get mobil unit. Tks, Francisco ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
Thanks for you input, I like the idea of capturing the heat and using it. I did just run into this from Biomass 2004 Biodiesel handling and use guidelines by the DOE enerty Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Raw or refined vegetable oil, or recycled greases that have not been processed into biodiesel, are not biodiesel and should be avoided. Research shows that vegetable oil or greases used in CI engines at levels as low as 10% to 20% can cause long-term engine deposits, ring sticking, lube oil gelling, and other maintenance problems and can reduce engine life. These problems are caused mostly by the greater viscosity, or thickness, of the raw oils (around 40mm 2/s) compared to that of of the diesel fuel for which the engines and injectors were designed (between 1.3 an d4.1 mm @/s). To avoid viscosity-related problems, vegetable oils and other feedstocks are converted into biodiesel. Through the process of converting vegetable oil or greases to biodiesel, we reduce viscosity of the fuel to values similar to conventional diesel fuel (biodiesel values are typically between 4 and 5 mm 2.s). I just paid $4000 for a genset and would like it to last the 20,000 to 50,000 hours it was designed for. Are there any studies out there that contradict the DOEs studies? - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/29/2005 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run, how much fuel you burn, how long you run it, how old is it, how often do you maintain the fuel system, any unexpected problems. - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke: Don't bother making biodiesel for your stationary genset. Simply filter the wvo to 5 microns, heat it to 160 degrees and burn it directly in your genset. I've been doing this for over a year now with my stationary genset, running it 24/7 with
Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine
It seems to me that you produced some soap that time. All base processing creates soap. What everyone keeps referring to as glycerine settling out of a transesterification (base) reaction is for the most part soap, diluted with methanol and glycerol. The volume of glycerol per liter of oil processed is ~7.9% (~79 mililiters). The excess alcohol present in this layer (glycerin cocktail) is ~65ml when initially using 200 ml per liter. The balance is soap. Different oil and fat feedstocks produce different types of soap. If your feestock was primarily soybean oil on Monday but coconut oil on Tuesday, the latter would in general yield a more solid glyc cocktail. If the feedstocks were soybean oil on both days but Tuesday's was extremely degraded (high FFA) then the latter would yield a harder glyc cocktail. If the feedstock on Monday had less animal fat in it than that on Tuesday the latter would generally yield a harder or more viscous glyc cocktail. The same happens when using different catalysts. In soap making sodium hydroxide (lye) is used to produce bar soaps (hard) and potassium hydroxide is used to produce liquid soaps (solid like thick bread dough but more soluble). When using potassium hydroxide the glyc cocktail generally never thickens beyond that of maple syrup. Hardened or thinned glyc cocktails don't necessarily indicate mistakes or correctness in processing. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Hello Paul. It seems to me that you produced some soap that time. Did you measure the FFA content before starting ? Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Paul Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Hi, I've been making Biodiesel (BD) for a few months, now.. using the Mike Pelly method.. and a curious thing happened with the last batch (my batches are in approx. 160 - 180 litres).. the glycerine was liquid after the reaction. This is the first time this has occurred for me, all other times the glycerine formed and settle in my tank, and was solid at low temperatures. I had measured accurately, the quantities of methanol, caustic soda and volume of oil...( I had an interested observer, who can testify if required!! :-) ) I watched the colour of the mixture change, as I was agitating, from a light caramel colour to a dark molasses colour... then observed the glycerine start to settle, as expected. At this time the glycerine was quite warm, so was still liquid, however, I let the mixture settle for a 2 week period and the glycerine has not set firm. maybe I should not complain.. 'cos it was easy to drain out of the tank! :-) Did the reaction not go far enough? Any further ideas on what has happened?? regards, Paul. --- Paul Tanner Software IT Architect Melbourne, Australia ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: @SPAM+++++++++ Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
Hello Luke. I agree with you fully, but do not forget that SVO have a lower cetane number, and they tend to form deposits in the combustion surroundings. These deposits have a high cracking point (550-600oC) and the diesel engine is built for fuel with a max boiling point of 350oC, so the deposits will continue to form and grow until they cause trouble. Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: @SPAM+ Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Thanks for you input, I like the idea of capturing the heat and using it. I did just run into this from Biomass 2004 Biodiesel handling and use guidelines by the DOE enerty Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Raw or refined vegetable oil, or recycled greases that have not been processed into biodiesel, are not biodiesel and should be avoided. Research shows that vegetable oil or greases used in CI engines at levels as low as 10% to 20% can cause long-term engine deposits, ring sticking, lube oil gelling, and other maintenance problems and can reduce engine life. These problems are caused mostly by the greater viscosity, or thickness, of the raw oils (around 40mm 2/s) compared to that of of the diesel fuel for which the engines and injectors were designed (between 1.3 an d4.1 mm @/s). To avoid viscosity-related problems, vegetable oils and other feedstocks are converted into biodiesel. Through the process of converting vegetable oil or greases to biodiesel, we reduce viscosity of the fuel to values similar to conventional diesel fuel (biodiesel values are typically between 4 and 5 mm 2.s). I just paid $4000 for a genset and would like it to last the 20,000 to 50,000 hours it was designed for. Are there any studies out there that contradict the DOEs studies? - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/29/2005 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run,
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Willie
OK, point made! The main reason I posted was regarding Bio Willie. Interesting, I'm now seeing clips about Willie Nelson and his bus on CNN. It's getting more into the mainstream consciousness that we are not going to survive the next millenia on dinosaur fuel. Or that we cannot allow ourselves to be held hostage to the Saudi's cash-flow in the shorter term. I really believe that hemp is a part of the overall answer. So much for Newman, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for his machine to be on sale at Harbor Freight. I had recieved notice of Newman's press conference and added that to the bottom of the post, but that was not my main intent. It was an afterthought. My grandfather was a crazy inventor, too, and modified his 1939 Hudson automobile to run on hydrogen. That was in 1947. So I know that we could be driving hydrogen cars in 2005. There's a guy down under that is running a small 4-cylinder car on similar technology. That's not what I'm interested in doing at this time. My immediate course of action is to get a diesel car and I'm going to go check on a '72 Mercedes 220 later this week. I figure that will be a good choice to get started. There's also an '83 300 on my radar screen. I believe it may be better to have an older model without all the computer controls. Comments? I'm also in the market for a diesel pusher or motorcoach suitable for RV conversion. I have a question. Is it better to have MUI injectors or DDEC in a veggie diesel bus? Again, I think it might be better without computer controls. I can't afford a conversion like Willie is driving around grin but as a former yacht builder, I'm confident that I can make an old MCI or GM quite livable. PEACE Scott - Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron (CEO) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Willie Well I thought I'd do a little research as the National Press Club, which does host very distinguished invited speakers very frequently, and is an organization that I hold in fairly high esteem. It turns out that the National Press Club does not list any event including any Joseph Newman so while he may be hosting his News Conference at the NPC he is not speaking to the NPC a big difference. So unless there's been some mistake on the press clubs event listing it looks like a manufactured grab for legitimacy. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Bob It's a hardy perennial ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
re: [Biofuel] The Energy Crunch To Come
http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/2005/03/energy_crunch.html March 22, 2005 The Energy Crunch To Come By Michael T. Klare Data released annually at this time by the major oil companies on their prior-year performances rarely generates much interest outside the business world. With oil prices at an all-time high and Big Oil reporting record profits, however, this year has been exceptional. Many media outlets covered the announcement of mammoth profits garnered by ExxonMobil, the nation's wealthiest public corporation, and other large firms. Exxon's fourth-quarter earnings, at $8.42 billion, represented the highest quarterly income ever reported by an American firm. Am I missing something? If prices for a raw input go up then the sale price also goes up. However, provided the prices go up at near the same rate of the inputs then profits should also remain basically stable. However, the oil companies are pulling out profits left and right. Therefore, if they are profiting then the retial price of fuel is artifically high and not high mearly because of crude prices. I know its not this simple and that the theories of supply and demand weigh in, but why are people (ie. the masses) not questioning what appears to be collusion? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Set up help
I am not aware of a study contradicting their opinion but if you heat wvo to at least 160F you will see that the viscosity is similar to diesel. Using wvo as your primary fuel your payback on your genset will be very short depending on the daily use. The payback on my gensets is 3.5 months. Gene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Thanks for you input, I like the idea of capturing the heat and using it. I did just run into this from Biomass 2004 Biodiesel handling and use guidelines by the DOE enerty Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Raw or refined vegetable oil, or recycled greases that have not been processed into biodiesel, are not biodiesel and should be avoided. Research shows that vegetable oil or greases used in CI engines at levels as low as 10% to 20% can cause long-term engine deposits, ring sticking, lube oil gelling, and other maintenance problems and can reduce engine life. These problems are caused mostly by the greater viscosity, or thickness, of the raw oils (around 40mm 2/s) compared to that of of the diesel fuel for which the engines and injectors were designed (between 1.3 an d4.1 mm @/s). To avoid viscosity-related problems, vegetable oils and other feedstocks are converted into biodiesel. Through the process of converting vegetable oil or greases to biodiesel, we reduce viscosity of the fuel to values similar to conventional diesel fuel (biodiesel values are typically between 4 and 5 mm 2.s). I just paid $4000 for a genset and would like it to last the 20,000 to 50,000 hours it was designed for. Are there any studies out there that contradict the DOEs studies? - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/29/2005 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run, how much fuel you burn, how long you run it, how old is it, how often do you maintain the fuel system, any unexpected problems.
[Biofuel] Study predicts growth of HCCI engines
March 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Study predicts growth of HCCI engines A new study analyzing trends in heavy-duty vehicle powertrain technologies by 2020 has been released by TIAX, a collaborative product and technology development firm, and Global Insight, an industry forecasting firm. One of the findings of the study is a predicted growth in homogeneous charge compression ignition (HCCI) engine technology which will be displacing conventional heavy-duty diesel engines. The study also predicts greater use of heavy-duty hybrid vehicles. The study, titled The Future of Heavy-Duty Powertrains, was commissioned by a group of oil companies, engine and vehicle manufacturers, and component suppliers to investigate the impact of more stringent emissions regulations, increased traffic congestion, and a shortage of skilled drivers for large vehicles on the heavy-duty vehicle industry in North America, Europe, and Japan. Key findings of the report include: - HCCI engines will power nearly 40% of heavy-duty vehicles by 2020. Initially HCCI will only be able to power light loads at low speeds so early versions of the engine will also incorporate conventional diesel combustion to supply more power when greater demand is placed on the engine. A full mode HCCI engine will eventually supersede the mixed mode HCCI/diesel technology. - By 2020, 15-25% of heavy-duty vehicles globally will incorporate either hybrid electric or hydraulic hybrid technology. The rapid deployment of hybrid technology in the heavy-duty vehicle industry will be driven by savings on fuel and brake maintenance by vehicle operators. - The demand for self-shifting transmission technology in heavy- duty vehicles will increase dramatically over the next 15 years. The self-shifting transmissions can maximize fuel efficiency and to broaden the labor pool from which drivers can be recruited because trucks with automated or automatic transmissions are easier to drive. HCCI is a low temperature combustion technology utilizing compression ignition of well-mixed air-fuel mixture. The major technical challenge in HCCI is the control of combustion, with most of today's engine prototypes being able to sustain the HCCI combustion mode only at low to medium engine loads. Unlike the conventional diesel engine, HCCI emits ultra low emissions of NOx and PM. On the negative side, it can produce increased HC and CO emissions. The predicted growth in HCCI engines is particularly significant in that the exhaust gas aftertreatment systems currently being developed- -targeting mostly NOx and PM emissions--and expected to reach the market in the next few years will start to become obsolete by 2020. Instead, HCCI emission aftertreatment would need to target HC and CO emissions at very low exhaust temperatures. Summary: http://www.globalinsight.com/publicDownload/genericContent/03-03-05_P T_overview.pdf Purchase the report: http://www.globalinsight.com/MultiClientStudy/MultiClientStudyDetail1 629.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] DaimlerChrysler emphasizes synthetic diesel commitment
March 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ DaimlerChrysler emphasizes synthetic diesel commitment At the Geneva Motor Show, DaimlerChrysler has confirmed its commitment to the development of synthetic diesel fuel from biomass, known as SunDiesel. This biomass-to-liquid (BTL) fuel is produced in a Fischer-Tropsch process, utilizing synthesis gas obtained through gasification of biomass (for instance, wood chips). SunDiesel is very effective in reducing greenhouse gas emissions. According to a lifecycle analysis commissioned by DaimlerChrysler, the total life cycle CO2 emissions could be cut by up to 90%. A disadvantage of BTL fuels is the energy demand in the manufacturing process, which is much higher than in liquid fuels produced from natural gas. The SunDiesel fuel is developed by DaimlerChrysler in partnership with Volkswagen. The fuel will be produced by CHOREN in Freiberg (Saxony). http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/SD7DEV/GMS/TEMPLATES/GMS_PRESS_RELEA SE/0,2941,0-1-64903-1-1-text-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Mercedes Benz unveils the R Class in New York
March 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Mercedes Benz unveils the R Class in New York At the New York International Auto Show, Mercedes Benz will unveil its new R Class Grand Sports Tourer model. The car--which represents a new concept fusing elements of such vehicle categories as sporty Saloon, Estate, MPV and SUV--will launch in the USA in the Fall of 2005, and in Europe in early 2006. Engine outputs will range from 165 kW/224 hp to 225 kW/306 hp. The V8 gasoline engine propelling the R 500 will achieve 0-100 km/h acceleration in 6.9 seconds and a top speed of 240 km/h. From the beginning of 2006, the vehicle will be also available with a V6 common rail diesel engine. The V6 engine has a peak torque of 510 Nm from 1600 rpm. The fuel consumption of the R 320 CDI is 8.9 liters per 100 km (combined city/highway). http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-5-7145-1-477824-1-0-0-0-0-0 -9-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Toyota introducing diesel powered Lexus
March 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Toyota introducing diesel powered Lexus Toyota has introduced its first diesel powered Lexus model. The new Lexus IS, unveiled at the Geneva Motor Show, comes with two engine options: a 2.5 liter V6 gasoline engine, and a 2.2 liter diesel. The vehicle is intended for the EU market. The new 2,231 cc common rail diesel unit is constructed entirely from aluminum. It features a variable geometry turbocharger and a piezo common rail injection system, capable of up to 4 separate injections per cycle. High injection pressure of 1,800 bar is combined with-- according to Toyota--the world's lowest diesel engine compression ratio of 15.8:1, which facilitates quiet combustion and lower NOx. The engine generates 130 kW/177 hp at 3,600 rpm and 400 Nm/295 lb-ft of torque between 2,000 and 2,400 rpm. It is the same engine--the production of which was just started by Toyota in Poland--that was recently introduced in the new Toyota Avensis. The new 2.2 liter diesel is also equipped with Lexus Clean Diesel Technology, the integrated NOx adsorber/particulate filter emission package, which was called D-CAT and/or DPNR in the Avensis model (the durability of the NOx adsorber in the DPNR system was recently questioned by German car makers, see DieselNet Update - February 2005). Lexus IS: http://www.toyota-media.com/MediaSite/Files/Pub/%7B8C0AAE13-DEF0-4F4B -BCB0-370E01F6DC9A%7D/Internet/geneva05_uk.html TMIP starts production of 2.2 liter diesel engine: http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/05/0323.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] GM introduces diesels for Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana
March 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ GM introduces diesels for Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana General Motors (GM) announced the availability of the Duramax 6600 turbodiesel engine in the 2006 models of its full-size vans Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana G2500 and G3500 series. The 6.6 liter V-8 Duramax turbodiesel delivers 186 kW/250 hp and 624 Nm/460 lb-ft of torque. It features a strengthened iron cylinder block and a variable geometry turbocharger. The compression ratio has been lowered from 17.5:1 to 16.8:1, to help control noise and NOx emissions. The combined EPA fuel economy of the diesel Express/Savana is 20.2 mpg (11.6 l/100 km), representing a 35% improvement over the 5.3 liter gasoline engine. http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emeral d.gm.com/gmnews/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=17docid=12822 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] BMW selects PSA diesel engine for the Mini
March 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ BMW selects PSA diesel engine for the Mini BMW has chosen a PSA Peugeot Citroen's diesel engine for its urban Mini brand car, according to the German Automobilwoche newspaper. PSA engines are to replace the currently used Toyota engines from 2007. The PSA engines were reportedly chosen because of their lower price and higher power. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7889259 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Car, component makers investing in India
March 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Car, component makers investing in India The growing Indian market continues to attract attention of car and components makers. With a population of more than 1 billion, India has experienced strong economic growth, exceeding 8% in 2004. The automobile market progressed by 68% between 1998 and 2003, reaching 1,040,000 vehicles in 2004 with a marked preference for small and medium segment cars. In the current fiscal year (ending on March 31) India's car market grew some 16-17% until February, down from 25- 27% last year. + Renault starting joint-venture in India Renault and India's Mahindra Mahindra Ltd. have signed a framework agreement for setting up a joint venture in India, Mahindra Renault Ltd, with Mahindra holding a 51% share and Renault 49%. The agreement provides for the manufacture and sale of Renault Logan in the Indian market from 2007. The estimated project amount will be 125 million for a production capacity of 50,000 cars per year. Logan will be marketed under the brand of Mahindra Renault. http://www.media.renault.com//data/doc/mediarenaultcom/en/9307_CP_Ind e_21_mars_GB_8h12.pdf + Bosch expanding common-rail manufacturing Bosch sees future growth opportunities in India with high-pressure diesel injection technology. Between 2004 and 2007, the Bosch Group plans to invest some 180 million (INR 10 billion). Of that amount, some 100 million (or INR 5.5 billion) has been earmarked for the establishment of manufacturing, development, and applications facilities for common-rail direct injection systems in Bangalore and Nashik. Over the next 8 to 10 years, Bosch expects the share of diesel engines in India featuring common-rail injection technology to rise from the current single-digit figure to 60%. In fiscal year 2004, sales of Bosch Indian subsidiary Motor Industries Co. Ltd. (Mico) rose by 23% to nearly 420 million. Mico employs 10,000 associates at four locations in India. http://www.bosch-presse.de/TBWebDB/bosch-ptj/en-US/PressText.cfm?id=2 245 + Maruti to develop diesel car engines India's Maruti Udyog will develop its diesel engine by the end of 2006, reports Reuters. Maruti, which is 54.2% owned by Suzuki, will develop the diesel engine using a license Suzuki acquired from Fiat. Maruti, India's largest car maker, has been traditionally relying on gasoline engines, while competitors like Tata Motors and foreign suppliers have been increasing their diesel sales. Maruti, who currently imports diesel engines, has a small market share in diesel cars. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7982483 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Pump Help
Hey All, I have three different well pumps, there about 1 hp each, can I pump b100 and WVO through them or is there an explosion hazard there? much thanks for any imput Evan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent via the WebMail system at unity.unity.edu ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Lots of questions
Hi all, I am sure this will be a highly redundant request to most - sorry. I hope to soon be a fellow bio-brewer. I have been doing a lot of research and I am now prepared (mentally anyway) to begin refining test batch equipment and procedures. After I get titration and test batch processing conquered, I plan to use the Foolproof method and would like to try to develop a hands-off system. The Supreme Commander requires that this be a low budget operation. That said, the immediate stumbling block is that of a quality affordable scale. Or maybe it's not. Any recommendations on scales? From much of the information that I've read, acids and bases and catalysts are generally a hardware store type item for someone just starting out. Are there other sources of these supplies that might reduce cost, packaging wastes and trips to the Mega Hardware Hut and can provide these things on a scale appropriate for me? Once you've produced your first *quality* liter of biodiesel, what is your test apparatus? I have contemplated renting a diesel generator for this purpose. Is that a good idea? Are there other functional tests that can be performed prior to subjecting an engine to my fuel? A bit of background (just a bit) - I live in Lancaster County, PA and would like to tour an individual processor if someone is nearby. I plan to eventually replace my heating oil with B100 and also fuel my car with the same. I will be installing a solar hot water heater for DHW and radiant heat later this year if anyone is interested in comparing notes for those sorts of things. I have also contemplated solar hot water as my heat source during biofuel processing. Has anyone successfully done this? Thanks, in advance, for the bandwidth for you time, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine
Hi, Great information for me working away in the lab. Keep it coming. I'm still trying to come to terms with methanol ( cheap, easy but oh so toxic) and ethanol ( expensive, density separation problems, need for excess as a reactant but great for making products with the glycerine and the occassional party). Any thoughts here? Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Appal Energy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/05 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Jan Paul, It seems to me that you produced some soap that time. All base processing creates soap. What everyone keeps referring to as glycerine settling out of a transesterification (base) reaction is for the most part soap, diluted with methanol and glycerol. The volume of glycerol per liter of oil processed is ~7.9% (~79 mililiters). The excess alcohol present in this layer (glycerin cocktail) is ~65ml when initially using 200 ml per liter. The balance is soap. Different oil and fat feedstocks produce different types of soap. If your feestock was primarily soybean oil on Monday but coconut oil on Tuesday, the latter would in general yield a more solid glyc cocktail. If the feedstocks were soybean oil on both days but Tuesday's was extremely degraded (high FFA) then the latter would yield a harder glyc cocktail. If the feedstock on Monday had less animal fat in it than that on Tuesday the latter would generally yield a harder or more viscous glyc cocktail. The same happens when using different catalysts. In soap making sodium hydroxide (lye) is used to produce bar soaps (hard) and potassium hydroxide is used to produce liquid soaps (solid like thick bread dough but more soluble). When using potassium hydroxide the glyc cocktail generally never thickens beyond that of maple syrup. Hardened or thinned glyc cocktails don't necessarily indicate mistakes or correctness in processing. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Hello Paul. It seems to me that you produced some soap that time. Did you measure the FFA content before starting ? Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Paul Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Hi, I've been making Biodiesel (BD) for a few months, now.. using the Mike Pelly method.. and a curious thing happened with the last batch (my batches are in approx. 160 - 180 litres).. the glycerine was liquid after the reaction. This is the first time this has occurred for me, all other times the glycerine formed and settle in my tank, and was solid at low temperatures. I had measured accurately, the quantities of methanol, caustic soda and volume of oil...( I had an interested observer, who can testify if required!! :-) ) I watched the colour of the mixture change, as I was agitating, from a light caramel colour to a dark molasses colour... then observed the glycerine start to settle, as expected. At this time the glycerine was quite warm, so was still liquid, however, I let the mixture settle for a 2 week period and the glycerine has not set firm. maybe I should not complain.. 'cos it was easy to drain out of the tank! :-) Did the reaction not go far enough? Any further ideas on what has happened?? regards, Paul. --- Paul Tanner Software IT Architect Melbourne, Australia ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The Energy Crunch To Come
Hi all, In case you didn't catch this from Rueters via CNN. Also let me know if I shouldn't report things this way. I'm new here. Tom Report: Earth's ecosystem at risk Wednesday, March 30, 2005 Posted: 10:21 AM EST (1521 GMT) OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Humans are damaging the planet at an unprecedented rate and raising risks of abrupt collapses in nature that could spur disease, deforestation or dead zones in the seas, an international report said on Wednesday. The study, by 1,360 experts in 95 nations, said a rising human population had polluted or over-exploited two thirds of the ecological systems on which life depends, ranging from clean air to fresh water, in the past 50 years. At the heart of this assessment is a stark warning, said the 45-member board of the Millennium Ecosystem Assessment. Human activity is putting such strain on the natural functions of Earth that the ability of the planet's ecosystems to sustain future generations can no longer be taken for granted, it said. Ten to 30 percent of mammal, bird and amphibian species were already threatened with extinction, according to the assessment, the biggest review of the planet's life support systems. Over the past 50 years, humans have changed ecosystems more rapidly and extensively than in any comparable time in human history, largely to meet rapidly growing demands for food, fresh water, timber, fibre and fuel, the report said. This has resulted in a substantial and largely irreversible loss in the diversity of life on earth, it added. More land was changed to cropland since 1945, for instance, than in the 18th and 19th centuries combined. Getting worse The harmful consequences of this degradation could grow significantly worse in the next 50 years, it said. The report was compiled by experts, including from U.N. agencies and international scientific and development organizations. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said the study shows how human activities are causing environmental damage on a massive scale throughout the world, and how biodiversity -- the very basis for life on earth -- is declining at an alarming rate. The report said there was evidence that strains on nature could trigger abrupt changes like the collapse of cod fisheries off Newfoundland in Canada in 1992 after years of over-fishing. Future changes could bring sudden outbreaks of disease. Warming of the Great Lakes in Africa due to climate change, for instance, could create conditions for a spread of cholera. And a build-up of nitrogen from fertilizers washed off farmland into seas could spur abrupt blooms of algae that choke fish or create oxygen-depleted dead zones along coasts. It said deforestation often led to less rainfall. And at some point, lack of rain could suddenly undermine growing conditions for remaining forests in a region. The report said that in 100 years, global warming widely blamed on burning of fossil fuels in cars, factories and power plants, might take over as the main source of damage. The report mainly looks at other, shorter-term risks. And it estimated that many ecosystems were worth more if used in a way that maintains them for future generations. A wetland in Canada was worth $6,000 a hectare (2.47 acres), as a habitat for animals and plants, a filter for pollution, a store for water and a site for human recreation, against $2,000 if converted to farmland, it said. A Thai mangrove was worth $1,000 a hectare against $200 as a shrimp farm. Ecosystems and the services they provide are financially significant and...to degrade and damage them is tantamount to economic suicide, said Klaus Toepfer, head of the U.N. Environment Program. The study urged changes in consumption, better education, new technology and higher prices for exploiting ecosystems. Governments should recognize that natural services have costs, A.H. Zakri of the U.N. University and a co-chair of the report told Reuters. Protection of natural services is unlikely to be a priority for those who see them as free and limitless. -Original Message- From: DHAJOGLO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/05 12:42 PM Subject: re: [Biofuel] The Energy Crunch To Come http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/2005/03/energy_crunch.html March 22, 2005 The Energy Crunch To Come By Michael T. Klare Data released annually at this time by the major oil companies on their prior-year performances rarely generates much interest outside the business world. With oil prices at an all-time high and Big Oil reporting record profits, however, this year has been exceptional. Many media outlets covered the announcement of mammoth profits garnered by ExxonMobil, the nation's wealthiest public corporation, and other large firms. Exxon's fourth-quarter earnings, at $8.42 billion, represented the highest quarterly income ever reported by an American firm. Am I missing something? If prices for a raw input go up then the sale price also goes up. However, provided the prices
Re: re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
Very interesting, thanks very much for taking the trouble. Hello to Kirk and List, The following is some further information that I think is worth considering. I have not heard of any contradictory information to this since the book was first published. It took awhile to get written permission from the publisher to extract two entire chapters from the book, then it took me another while to get them typed Typed?! Yikes - you need a scanner! and cobbled together to send to the list. My apologies for not getting this done in a more timely manner. Never mind, we're all still here. :-) Except Kirk, actually, who's away right now, but I'll send it to him to make sure he sees it. Thanks again. Keith Thank you, Joanne - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL snip Chickens fed rapeseed and calves given rapeseed oil do not prosper. Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid, a substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States prior to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose to use it as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships during World War II.) In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced. Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques commonly referred to as genetic engineering.) By 1978, all Canadian rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product canola oil (Canadian oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative associations with the word rape. Why ingest any erucic acid? Economics as usual. As for me and my family we minimize the use of Canada Oil except as motor fuel. end snip [From the book Fats that Heal Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus, with permission from Alive Publishing Group Inc., Canada. www.alive.com] Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus Copyright 1986, 1993 Second Edition, Fifteenth Printing - May 2004 Chapter 20 Erucic Acid: Toxic or Beneficial? Chapter 56 Snake Oil (EPA) and Patent Medicines snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith Hello Jan Hello Stephan. The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting soy bean oil is its high iodine number. As the case with fish oil, corn oil and several kinds of sunflower oil. A high iodine number is indicating that the oil may be chemically unstable due to its unsaturation level and therefore unsuitable as engine fuel both as SVO and BD. In other words, it polymerises - to quote Phillip Calais: Drying results from the double bonds (and sometimes triple bonds) in the unsaturated oil molecules being broken by atmospheric oxygen and being converted to peroxides. Cross-linking at this site can then occur and the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid. -- From Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Replacement Fuel by Phillip Calais, Environmental Science, Murdoch University, Perth, Australia, and A.R. (Tony) Clark, Western Australian Renewable Fuels Association Inc. http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm See: Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine But that's not quite what Elsbett's Alexander Noack is quoted as saying at the East Coast Region-United States Elsbett Workshop: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. So it would seem that Elsbett's reservations are not so much with polymerisation per se because of the high iodine number as with fuel-lubricating oil interactions. Can you shed any light on this? There are some companies producing me from oil with a high iodine number, and there is no practical difference between those products and the BD:s with a iodine number around or under 120 for the consumer. Can you quote any research that supports the conclusion that there is no practical difference? I've heard of drying problems with sunflower oil biodiesel, and even with rapeseed oil biodiesel (I don't have the reports, I was told they're in German) and I would not want to use linseed oil or tung oil. And may I add that the American B100 standard allows soy bean oil as raw material. Of course they do - how much do you think the soy councils and Big Soy had to do with that? They were involved at every level. Whatever the science may say, do you think it would have been possible for them to develop standards that excluded soy? Similarly, it's often said that the EU standard's stipulating a maximum iodine # of 120 (115 in France and Germany, while the US standard doesn't stipulate anything) is politically based, intended to exclude soy and protect European rapeseed oil production, but is that really all there is to it? If you really wanted to exclude drying problems you'd probably have to exclude rapeseed oil as well and stop at castor oil (85), but no doubt that would be as politically impossible in Europe as excluding soy would be in the US. In both, though less so in Europe perhaps, biodiesel and biofuels are still seen more as agricultural commodities issues than as energy issues. There is a whole side to this that is not to be trusted. In the US, it might not be a clever thing to do career-wise for a researcher to start investigating polymerising problems with soy biodiesel. Quality checks of commercial
Re: [Biofuel] The Long Emergency -- cross posted
Hi everyone, I Chair the New Haven, CT section of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers and set up a Yahoo! Group to promote discussion on various technical subjects. I posted the Rolling Stone article from Kieth (I think it was you Kieth) to see the reaction and wanted to say that this is the dialog I've been getting involved in regularly among people less active in the cause. My reason for posting this is to find out how some of you might respond in a similar discussion and if you have any comments about any of my responses. By the way, the resources I mention below were cut-off. But they came from the Biofuel group anyway. So, you should already be aware of them. Mike R Posted on NHASME04 today: Hi Tracy, Well, I think we've agreed on most of what had been said in this thread so far. The rest I think we can agree to disagree. We may be running out of oil. However, I think drilling in Alaska is more about laziness, politics and some guy who has political connections for it to get this far. In my opinion, a lazy person who wants oil would stay in Texas and just punch another hole next to the one they already have. As for Politics and political connections, I'm right behind you on that one. The reason why we don't have more wind power is political not technical or environmental or financial. Political/Technical/Environmental/Financial: These issues are not mutually exclusive. Some emerging energy technologies are not competitive (or profitable) compared with fossil fuels today, so private industry in the US has kept their distance. The public in the US has not adopted an environmentally conscious position like other industrialized countries in Europe (the US is only 4% of the worlds population but, uses 25% of the worlds energy). So, there is comparatively less political motivation to subsidize the development of these emerging technologies. I feel that this cycle will continue until other countries that are more progressive than ours, make advancements that make alternative energy technologies like PV cost effective and the US, in its nearsighted business vision, decides to play catch-up. I have no doubt that if there is no change in this trend, the US will lag behind in these technologies and other countries will offer superior products. This is assuming that our government doesn't make a unilateral decision to exploit foreign intellectual property and ignore international law (wouldn't that be a shocker). Mike Tracy J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may be running out of oil. However, I think drilling in Alaska is more about laziness, politics and some guy who has political connections for it to get this far. The reason why we don't have more wind power is political not technical or environmental or financial. The political guys put up the money. If the political guys didn't want to go to the moon for any reason, the money never would have been there to do it. It would be nice if diagonstic research was done on the subject that is trustworthy but there is alot of money to be made if there is a shortage. Tracy - Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [nhasme04] The Long Emergency Hi Tracy, I think that your ideas about conservation and more sophisticated controls for home appliances are good ones. Your comment about price manipulation has merit as well. However, I think it's dangerous for people to believe that there is plenty of oil and that it simply isn't being tapped. The fact that we are going back into Alaska and exploring other regions for oil sends a message about availability. In fact, there have been numerous studies to support the argument that sustainability ended in the late eighties. Up until that time the world's oil producers were able to replace every spent well with a new one. Here are some resources that support the argument that scientists and government agencies around the world clearly recognize the coming shortage and eventually the end of oil as our main source of energy in the world. Michael Redler Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhasme04/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Crush Corporate Crime (BP)
Hello all, Here is an article, published by the Galveston Daily News, that goes a little bit more in depth as to what the current best guess scenario is regarding the explosion at the bp/amoco plant, Texas City/Texas. One of the more disgusting things that I can report first hand, having just returned home from there myself, Tuesday morning, is that according to several friends of mine who still work for bp/amoco (btw - they all refer to the company as amoco, I don't remember ever hearing bp unless it was on the radio, or T.V.) from the instant this explosion occured, right through to whatever time you happen to be reading this post the rest of the refinery has been in full operation the entire time. One percentage I heard mentioned, which I have no way of personally verifying, was over 90%. That makes me physically ill. I realize that it's the DoE that's pushing these production numbers, but when your plant just rocked the richter scale in a part of the country that is not known for earthquakes...ever...doesn't it make sense to back off and check more than just the blast zone so that we aren't burying people here again sometime soon. Antifossil ISOM unit component focus of investigation By TJ Aulds The Daily News Published March 27, 2005 TEXAS CITY Investigators with the U.S. Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board continued their on-scene inspection Saturday of what remains of the BP isomerization unit that exploded Wednesday, killing 15 and injuring more than 100. The independent federal agency charged with investigating industrial chemical accidents is now focusing its attention on a portion of the unit called a raffinate splitter. The splitter is a key component allowing for feedstock the chemicals that are to processed in the octane-boosting unit to be fed into the isomerization unit. The isomerization unit converts the feedstock chemicals pentane and hexane into isopentane and isohexane to boost the octane rating of gasoline. Pentane and hexane are both highly flammable. Preliminary evidence points to a release of flammable liquid and vapor in that area of the plant, the CSB said via a press release late Saturday. The distillation equipment was being restarted following maintenance work on the reactor a few days earlier. The board is also looking closely at the placement of a pair of trailers near the unit. Many of those killed in the blast were attending a meeting in those trailers at the time. Steve Selk, the manager of the CSB investigation, noted that unlike permanent buildings such as control rooms found throughout the plant, the trailers' inability to protect against flames and high heat was evident. Process equipment within the explosion site shows substantial thermal damage and limited blast damage, consistent with a flash fire of flammable hydrocarbon in the open atmosphere, said Selk. Trailers adjacent to the isomerization unit were very heavily damaged or destroyed. The walls and roof of an adjacent metal warehouse used to store catalyst were heavily damaged as well. Those trailers will be a factor of the investigation, a top CSB official added. The placement of the trailers in close proximity to an operating refinery unit is one factor we will be focusing on as the investigation proceeds. CSB board member John Bresland said. He said the team would also be looking into company reports of a small fire in the isomerization unit the day before, but said there was not presently any evidence to link the fire with the explosion Wednesday afternoon. Three days after the fatal blast however, investigators had not yet reached the blast zone. CSB spokesman Sandy Gilmour said final site safety arrangements took place Saturday afternoon, in preparation for entry using protective clothing and gear. CSB team members have inspected the perimeter of the blast area. Investigators have also interviewed more of the plant operators who were on duty at the time of accident Gilmour said. Investigators also inspected homes near the refinery that sustained damage as a result of the blast. Gilmour said the investigators will take the Easter Sunday holiday off as they prepare for additional investigators to arrive Monday. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out
Haken and James, First, Haken my information on oil reserves in the Azerbijan region comes from a management person high up in Chevron. I will not reveal that person to you as it might put that person in a bad place. As for oil being present under the ocean, well that is where it originally got made a billion or more years ago. Since we have only found most of the stuff on dry land it only makes sense that more should be found in the ocean depths. True, oil might only be found at mouths of great rivers but we have little idea what the land masses looked like a billion years ago let alone what river systems may have existed. Increasing production capacity is linked to oil prices which you must have noticed just jumped $20.00 per barrel this past year. Supply and demand or demand and supply, I'm not sure what drives what in these days of mass marketing. But you sure as heck can build a lot of production capacity at the current price of oil. I still firmly believe it will not be lack of oil that gets us but the climate change that will disrupt our food and water supplies. Think of this. All of the glaciers in the Himalayan mountains are receding at an incredible rate. They could all e gone in less than 20 years. This is in the highest mountain range in the world that this is occurring. Those glaciers feed at least seven major river systems. The ones that come to mind most quickly are the Indus, Brahmaputra, Salween, Mekong, Ganges, Yangtze and Huange He. They supply drinking water, water for agriculture, and for industry to close to a billion people directly. When the glaciers that feed these rivers are gone they will have only annual rainfall and normal snowmelt to feed them. Their flows to drop to 1/3 of their current values. How in the world are those folks going to survive? I have no answer. I don't think anyone does. I don't believe enough people are even remotely aware of the problem. Be sure to realize that it will not only effect them. It will effect everyone indirectly in terms of economy, disease, and even warfare. You don't think China just increased its military budget cause they were having a bad day? The dino fuels are the cause of a massive problem with enormous consequences not just for certain countries but for for our entire species. Ironically these dino fuels may cause our extiction. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: James Dontje To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/05 9:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] when will it run out Tom and Hakan-- I was reminded recently of the power of compounding. At linear rates, if we have 100 units of oil and use it one unit per year, we can last 100 years. But if our usage grows five percent per year, we will run out in year 37. Every industrialized economy is built on the hope of perpetual growth. While the proportion changes as we gain efficiency, energy use tracks that growth. Hence, the compounding of growth is always shortening our horizon even as efficiency and new discoveries lengthen it. The problem, however, isn't running out. It is our collective reactions as we see the horizon get close. The recent postings on this list are describing a great game that is based on the powerful's reactions to a close horizon--a reaction based not simply on how to protect the future, but on how to protect the future and their own power in that future. Jim Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:58:44 +0200 From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Mapping The Oil Motive To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Tom, You are in the best case right, but I think that the crises is less than one generation (20 years) away. The statement you make have no support in known facts, especially since the usage growth rate seems to be grossly underestimated. The reserves from the Oil companies has already been proven to be over estimated, with almost a third for Shell only. Hakan At 09:59 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote: Hi All, I am an environmental scientist by education and my latest research is on sustainable development. As near as I can tell there is no shortage of oil. There may be shortages of production, shortages of distribution but for at least another generation there will be no shortage of oil due to lack of material. Here is the key reasoning. We still have not tapped all the available reserves on land. All the Gulf war stuff is about underdeveloped Iraqi oil and the as yet untouched and shallow (read highly profitable) oil in the Azerbijan region. Oil is produced under oceans. Although we have found most of the terrestrial based oil, it represents only 1/8 the planets surface area. That leaves 7/8 of the planet where we have hardly begun the search for new sources. A recent National Geographic article displayed new technology that was enabling drilling off the continental shelf in water 1500 feet deep. Now oil from that depth won't be cheap but it still will be available.
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of questions
Kenny Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am sure this will be a highly redundant request to most - sorry. I hope to soon be a fellow bio-brewer. I have been doing a lot of research and I am now prepared (mentally anyway) to begin refining test batch equipment and procedures. After I get titration and test batch processing conquered, I plan to use the Foolproof method and would like to try to develop a hands-off system. The Supreme Commander requires that this be a low budget operation. That said, the immediate stumbling block is that of a quality affordable scale. Or maybe it's not. Any recommendations on scales? I started with jeweller's scales. Works OK for small quantities, but finicky. They were cheap on ebay (under US$5 plus shipping). I have since acquired a triple beam balance scale (Ohaus), also on ebay. Had to be patient to find a reasonable deal on one. Watched several go by where I was outbid. Still, for the money, I recommend the Ohaus or similar. Much wider range of usability, less finicky, harder to knock over. From much of the information that I've read, acids and bases and catalysts are generally a hardware store type item for someone just starting out. Are there other sources of these supplies that might reduce cost, packaging wastes and trips to the Mega Hardware Hut and can provide these things on a scale appropriate for me? Hardware stores work for me. Lye comes in various size containers, up to 2 litres, as stock items. Methanol (methyl hydrate) is sold as a paint thinner, again in various sizes, 4 litres is a commonly stocked item. What scale do you plan to operate on? Methanol can also be acquired in drums - try racing specialty shops. Drugstores are good for alcohol. Pool supply stores are a possibility for phenolphthalein. Aquarium supply houses are handy for items like low volume pumps and pH testers. Still, I acquired most of my equipment on ebay. Patience is definitely a virtue if you go that route. Once you've produced your first *quality* liter of biodiesel, what is your test apparatus? I have contemplated renting a diesel generator for this purpose. Is that a good idea? Are there other functional tests that can be performed prior to subjecting an engine to my fuel? I just gave my production to a friend who was quite happy to take some free fuel, fully aware of its pedigree and the research I had done prior to brewing. No issues, but this probably constituted a B10 blend in his tank. Check the biofuel archive for more on testing your fuel. A bit of background (just a bit) - I live in Lancaster County, PA and would like to tour an individual processor if someone is nearby. I plan to eventually replace my heating oil with B100 and also fuel my car with the same. I will be installing a solar hot water heater for DHW and radiant heat later this year if anyone is interested in comparing notes for those sorts of things. I have also contemplated solar hot water as my heat source during biofuel processing. Has anyone successfully done this? I use solar heating for domestic hot water (batch in-line pre-heater) about six months of the year (when it doesn't regularly drop below freezing at night). I have not used it for heating the oil. Thanks, in advance, for the bandwidth for you time, Ken -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers_e.pdf #www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith Hello Jan Hello Stephan. The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting soy bean oil is its high iodine number. As the case with fish oil, corn oil and several kinds of sunflower oil. A high iodine number is indicating that the oil may be chemically unstable due to its unsaturation level and therefore unsuitable as engine fuel both as SVO and BD. In other words, it polymerises - to quote Phillip Calais: Drying results from the double bonds (and sometimes triple bonds) in the unsaturated oil molecules being broken by atmospheric oxygen and being converted to peroxides. Cross-linking at this site can then occur and the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid. -- From Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Replacement Fuel by Phillip Calais, Environmental Science, Murdoch University, Perth, Australia, and A.R. (Tony) Clark, Western Australian Renewable Fuels Association Inc. http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm See: Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine But that's not quite what Elsbett's Alexander Noack is quoted as saying at the East Coast Region-United States Elsbett Workshop: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. So it would seem that Elsbett's reservations are not so much with polymerisation per se because of the high iodine number as with fuel-lubricating oil interactions. Can you shed any light on this? There are some companies producing me from oil with a high iodine number, and there is no practical difference between those products and the BD:s with a iodine number around or under 120 for the consumer. Can you quote any research that supports the conclusion that there is no practical difference? I've heard of drying problems with sunflower oil biodiesel, and even with rapeseed oil biodiesel (I don't have the reports, I was told they're in German) and I would not want to use linseed oil or tung oil. And may I add that the American B100 standard allows soy bean oil as raw material. Of course they do - how much do you think the soy councils and Big Soy had to do with that? They were involved at every level. Whatever the science may say, do you think it would have been possible for them to develop standards that excluded soy? Similarly, it's often said that the EU standard's stipulating a maximum iodine # of 120 (115 in France and Germany, while the US standard doesn't stipulate anything) is politically based, intended to exclude soy and protect European rapeseed oil production, but is that really all there is to it? If you really wanted to exclude drying problems you'd probably have to exclude rapeseed oil as well and stop at castor oil (85), but no doubt that would be as politically impossible in Europe as excluding soy would be in the US. In both, though less so in Europe perhaps, biodiesel and biofuels are still seen more as agricultural
