Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
How does this work? A free flying generator would simply be carried along by the wind and generate no power. If you had an engine to hold it in place against the wind you would only get back the energy you used to oppose the wind minus friction loss. You'd have a net loss of energy. If you anchored the device to the ground and floated it like a kite you could generate power providing you could keep it stable and headed into the wind. I don't know if that is possible. What exactly is this thing? Rick Kirk McLoren wrote: Windmills in the Sky By David Cohn 02:00 AM Apr. 06, 2005 PT http://www.wired.com/news/planet/0,2782,67121,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2 Australian engineer Bryan Roberts wants to build a power station in the sky -- a cluster of flying windmills soaring 15,000 feet in the air -- but is having trouble raising enough money to get the project off the ground. After 25 years of research, Roberts has designed a helicopter-like rotorcraft to hoist a wind turbine high into the air, where winds are persistent and strong. The craft, which is powered by its own electricity and can stay aloft for months, feeds electricity to the ground through a cable. Roberts, a professor of engineering at the University of Technology, Sydney, believes there is enough energy in high-altitude winds to satisfy the world's demands. Wind-tunnel data suggests a cluster of 600 flying electric generators, or FEGs, could produce three times as much energy as the United States' most productive nuclear power plant. Roberts has teamed up with Sky WindPower, a San Diego startup that is trying to commercialize his invention. The company has Federal Aviation Administration approval to conduct tests of the technology in the California desert, but needs $3 million to build full-size flying generators. The company is having trouble raising the cash because there isn't likely to be an immediate return on investors' money. High-altitude winds could provide a potentially enormous renewable energy source, and scientists like Roberts believe flying windmills could put an end to dependence on fossil fuels. At 15,000 feet, winds are strong and constant. On the ground, wind is often unreliable -- the biggest problem for ground-based wind turbines. For FEGs, the winds are much more persistent than on ground-based machines, said Roberts. That's part of the benefit, more power and greater concentration. Ken Caldeira, a climate scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said tapping into just 1 percent of the energy produced by high-altitude winds could satisfy a lot of the world's power needs. It's absurd that all this time we have turned a blind eye to the energy right above our heads, he said. High-altitude wind power represents the most concentrated flux of renewable energy found on Earth. At certain locations, the efficiency of a flying generator can be as high as 90 percent, three times higher than its grounded counterpart, according to Sky WindPower. At this efficiency, FEGs could become the nation's cheapest source of electricity, with an estimated cost per kilowatt hour of less than 2 cents, about half the price of coal, according to the Power Marketing Association. Having conducted tests with models, Sky WindPower wants to scale up Roberts' experiments and produce a commercial-sized flying windmill with four rotors. The rotorcraft will go into the first layer of the atmosphere, called the troposphere. Sky WindPower estimates the craft will produce 200 kilowatts per hour of electricity in an area that at ground level would produce none because of a lack of wind. Since strong high-altitude winds exist in many locations, the company's hope is to find sites 10 miles by 20 miles in size that are not currently used by commercial planes and turn them into restricted airspaces. Once in the air, the FEGs' roll and pitch would be controlled to catch the wind most effectively. Sky WindPower intends to use GPS technology to maintain the crafts' vertical and horizontal location to within a few feet. The craft will be brought to ground once a month or so for maintenance checks. The project has already received FAA approval and needs only to finalize a test site. Currently the company favors somewhere in Southern California. The company declined to be specific, saying it has not yet applied for local permits. Our desert test site does not have as good winds as future intended operational sites, said David Shepard, president of Sky WindPower. But starting there will enable us to proceed to more-difficult conditions with less risk. lt;agt;lt;imggt;lt;/agt; However, the company has not yet raised the capital to build the craft. Shepard said he expected the money would be found. We do have reason to expect that we will obtain the funding necessary to carry out our intended demonstration, he said. I have reason to be optimistic. Caldeira, whose high-altitude wind energy graphs
RE: [Biofuel] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35%
Kirk, Do you have any idea of the effects of acetone on a Honda Insight? I believe the carburetion is slightly different in this car than the average. While I get good mileage with my Insight, I'd be happy to do better still if the acetone will do no harm... Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:12 PM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35% I have my doubts Kirk Aerielle Louise [EMAIL PROTECTED] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35% http://pesn.com/2005/03/ 17/6900069_Acetone/ Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage 15-35% Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion improves the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by eliminating the surface tension that causes some particulates to note fully vaporize. by Louis LaPointe Adapted by Sterling D. Allan with LaPoint's permission for Pure Energy Systems News Acetone (CH3COCH3), also called dimethylketone or propanone, is a product that can be purchased inexpensively in most locations around the world, such as in the common hardware store. Added to the fuel tank in tiny amounts, it aids in the vaporization of the gasoline or diesel, increasing fuel efficiency, engine longevity, and performance -- as well as reducing hydrocarbon emissions. How it Works Complete vaporization of normal fuel is far from perfect in today's cars. A certain amount of fuel in most engines remains liquid in the hot chamber. In order to become a true gas and be fully combusted, fuel must undergo a phase change. Surface tension present an obstacle to vaporization. For instance the energy barrier from surface tension can sometimes force water to reach 300 degrees before it vaporizes. Similarly with gasoline. Acetone drastically reduces the surface tension. Most fuel molecules are sluggish with respect to their natural frequency. Acetone has an inherent molecular vibration that stirs up the fuel molecules, to break the surface tension. This results in a more complete vaporization with other factors remaining the same. More complete vaporization means less wasted fuel, hence the increased gas mileage from the increased thermal efficiency. That excess fuel was formerly wasted past the rings or sent out the tailpipe but with acetone it gets burned. Acetone allows gasoline to behave more like the ideal automotive fuel which is PROPANE. The degree of improved mileage depends on how much unburned fuel you are presently wasting. You might gain 15 to 35-percent better economy from the use of acetone. Sometimes even more. How Much to Use Add in tiny amounts from about one part per 5000 to one part per 500, depending on the vehicle -- just a few ounces per ten gallons of gas. Figure 1: Percentage MILEAGE GAIN when a tiny amount of acetone is added to fuel. The curves A B C show the effect on three different cars using different gasolines. Some engines respond better than others to acetone. The D curve is for diesel fuel. Too much acetone will decrease mileage slightly due to adding too much octane to the fuel. Too much also upsets the mixture ratio because acetone (like alcohol) is a light molecule. After you find the right amount for your car per ten gallons, and you are happy with your newfound mileage, you might want to try stopping the use of acetone for a couple of tanks. Watch the drop in mileage. It will amaze you. That reverse technique is one of the biggest eye openers concerning the use of acetone in fuel. In a 10-gallon tank of gasoline, use two to three ounces of pure acetone to obtain excellent mileage improvements. In a ten-gallon tank of diesel fuel, use from 1 to 2 ounces of acetone. Performance went up too. Use about a teaspoon of acetone in the fuel tank of a lawnmower or snowblower. Where to Get Acetone The pure acetone label is the only additive suggested and is easily available from most stores in 16-ounce plastic bottles and in one-gallon containers from some large farm supply stores. But any acetone source is better than none. Containers labeled acetone from a hardware store are usually okay and pure enough to put in your fuel. We prefer cans or bottles that say 100-percent pure. The acetone in gallons or pints we get from Fleet Farm are labeled 100% pure. The bottles from Walgreen say 100% pure. Never use solvents such as paint thinners or unknown stuff in your gas. Toluene, benzene and xylene are okay if they are pure but may not raise mileage except when mixed with acetone. Additional Benefits In addition to increased mileage acetone added to fuel boasts other benefits such as increased power, engine life, and performance. Less unburned fuel going past the rings keeps the rings and engine oil in far better condition. A tiny bit of acetone in diesel fuel can stop the black smoke when the rack is all the way at full throttle. You will notice that the exhaust soot will be greatly
RE: [Biofuel] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35%
I would be very wary of acetone contacting rubber or plastic. The mode of action sounds unlikely to me. One doesn't get that much of a mileage improvement with say natural gas compared to gasoline, unless one exploits the high knock resistance and the capacity for lean burning of the natural gas; even there it would depend on the gasoline use for comparison. The talk about a large amount of fuel being unburned in a normal gasoline engine in good tune is so much blather. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Dan Volker wrote: Kirk, Do you have any idea of the effects of acetone on a Honda Insight? I believe the carburetion is slightly different in this car than the average. While I get good mileage with my Insight, I'd be happy to do better still if the acetone will do no harm... Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:12 PM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35% I have my doubts Kirk Aerielle Louise [EMAIL PROTECTED] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35% http://pesn.com/2005/03/ 17/6900069_Acetone/ Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage 15-35% Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion improves the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by eliminating the surface tension that causes some particulates to note fully vaporize. by Louis LaPointe Adapted by Sterling D. Allan with LaPoint's permission for Pure Energy Systems News Acetone (CH3COCH3), also called dimethylketone or propanone, is a product that can be purchased inexpensively in most locations around the world, such as in the common hardware store. Added to the fuel tank in tiny amounts, it aids in the vaporization of the gasoline or diesel, increasing fuel efficiency, engine longevity, and performance -- as well as reducing hydrocarbon emissions. How it Works Complete vaporization of normal fuel is far from perfect in today's cars. A certain amount of fuel in most engines remains liquid in the hot chamber. In order to become a true gas and be fully combusted, fuel must undergo a phase change. Surface tension present an obstacle to vaporization. For instance the energy barrier from surface tension can sometimes force water to reach 300 degrees before it vaporizes. Similarly with gasoline. Acetone drastically reduces the surface tension. Most fuel molecules are sluggish with respect to their natural frequency. Acetone has an inherent molecular vibration that stirs up the fuel molecules, to break the surface tension. This results in a more complete vaporization with other factors remaining the same. More complete vaporization means less wasted fuel, hence the increased gas mileage from the increased thermal efficiency. That excess fuel was formerly wasted past the rings or sent out the tailpipe but with acetone it gets burned. Acetone allows gasoline to behave more like the ideal automotive fuel which is PROPANE. The degree of improved mileage depends on how much unburned fuel you are presently wasting. You might gain 15 to 35-percent better economy from the use of acetone. Sometimes even more. How Much to Use Add in tiny amounts from about one part per 5000 to one part per 500, depending on the vehicle -- just a few ounces per ten gallons of gas. Figure 1: Percentage MILEAGE GAIN when a tiny amount of acetone is added to fuel. The curves A B C show the effect on three different cars using different gasolines. Some engines respond better than others to acetone. The D curve is for diesel fuel. Too much acetone will decrease mileage slightly due to adding too much octane to the fuel. Too much also upsets the mixture ratio because acetone (like alcohol) is a light molecule. After you find the right amount for your car per ten gallons, and you are happy with your newfound mileage, you might want to try stopping the use of acetone for a couple of tanks. Watch the drop in mileage. It will amaze you. That reverse technique is one of the biggest eye openers concerning the use of acetone in fuel. In a 10-gallon tank of gasoline, use two to three ounces of pure acetone to obtain excellent mileage improvements. In a ten-gallon tank of diesel fuel, use from 1 to 2 ounces of acetone. Performance went up too. Use about a teaspoon of acetone in the fuel tank of a lawnmower or snowblower. Where to Get Acetone The pure acetone label is the only additive suggested and is easily available from most stores in 16-ounce plastic bottles and in one-gallon containers from some large farm supply stores. But any acetone source is better than none. Containers labeled acetone from a hardware store are usually okay and pure enough to put in your fuel. We prefer cans or bottles that say 100-percent pure. The acetone in gallons or pints we get from Fleet Farm are labeled 100% pure.
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
Hi Rick, I think it's a little like a kite (except, it's a propeller) and the twine is actually a power line. How's that Kirk? ...sound right? Mike Rick Littrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kirk, How does this work? A free flying generator would simply be carried along by the wind and generate no power. If you had an engine to hold it in place against the wind you would only get back the energy you used to oppose the wind minus friction loss. You'd have a net loss of energy. If you anchored the device to the ground and floated it like a kite you could generate power providing you could keep it stable and headed into the wind. I don't know if that is possible. What exactly is this thing? Rick Kirk McLoren wrote: Windmills in the Sky By David Cohn 02:00 AM Apr. 06, 2005 PT http://www.wired.com/news/planet/0,2782,67121,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2 Australian engineer Bryan Roberts wants to build a power station in the sky -- a cluster of flying windmills soaring 15,000 feet in the air -- but is having trouble raising enough money to get the project off the ground. After 25 years of research, Roberts has designed a helicopter-like rotorcraft to hoist a wind turbine high into the air, where winds are persistent and strong. The craft, which is powered by its own electricity and can stay aloft for months, feeds electricity to the ground through a cable. Roberts, a professor of engineering at the University of Technology, Sydney, believes there is enough energy in high-altitude winds to satisfy the world's demands. Wind-tunnel data suggests a cluster of 600 flying electric generators, or FEGs, could produce three times as much energy as the United States' most productive nuclear power plant. Roberts has teamed up with Sky WindPower, a San Diego startup that is trying to commercialize his invention. The company has Federal Aviation Administration approval to conduct tests of the technology in the California desert, but needs $3 million to build full-size flying generators. The company is having trouble raising the cash because there isn't likely to be an immediate return on investors' money. High-altitude winds could provide a potentially enormous renewable energy source, and scientists like Roberts believe flying windmills could put an end to dependence on fossil fuels. At 15,000 feet, winds are strong and constant. On the ground, wind is often unreliable -- the biggest problem for ground-based wind turbines. For FEGs, the winds are much more persistent than on ground-based machines, said Roberts. That's part of the benefit, more power and greater concentration. Ken Caldeira, a climate scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said tapping into just 1 percent of the energy produced by high-altitude winds could satisfy a lot of the world's power needs. It's absurd that all this time we have turned a blind eye to the energy right above our heads, he said. High-altitude wind power represents the most concentrated flux of renewable energy found on Earth. At certain locations, the efficiency of a flying generator can be as high as 90 percent, three times higher than its grounded counterpart, according to Sky WindPower. At this efficiency, FEGs could become the nation's cheapest source of electricity, with an estimated cost per kilowatt hour of less than 2 cents, about half the price of coal, according to the Power Marketing Association. Having conducted tests with models, Sky WindPower wants to scale up Roberts' experiments and produce a commercial-sized flying windmill with four rotors. The rotorcraft will go into the first layer of the atmosphere, called the troposphere. Sky WindPower estimates the craft will produce 200 kilowatts per hour of electricity in an area that at ground level would produce none because of a lack of wind. Since strong high-altitude winds exist in many locations, the company's hope is to find sites 10 miles by 20 miles in size that are not currently used by commercial planes and turn them into restricted airspaces. Once in the air, the FEGs' roll and pitch would be controlled to catch the wind most effectively. Sky WindPower intends to use GPS technology to maintain the crafts' vertical and horizontal location to within a few feet. The craft will be brought to ground once a month or so for maintenance checks. The project has already received FAA approval and needs only to finalize a test site. Currently the company favors somewhere in Southern California. The company declined to be specific, saying it has not yet applied for local permits. Our desert test site does not have as good winds as future intended operational sites, said David Shepard, president of Sky WindPower. But starting there will enable us to proceed to more-difficult conditions with less risk. aimg/a However, the company has not yet raised the capital to build the craft. Shepard said he expected the money would be
RE: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Not an expert in any particular field but common sense and a bit of logic tells me... 1) The how-it-works stuff claims that the *permanent* magnet provides energy in keeping the object suspended from the roof equating to a electromagnet holding it up there but expending energy instead. WELL, how would LUTEC explain the energy content of PERMANENT GLUE holding up the object... or what about hanging it from a PERMANENT HOOK that is screwed into the ceiling? 2) In the device, the magnets moves towards the steel thus giving inertial energy to the armature... then a counter electromagnetic field is applied to neutralise the magnetic properties of the steel thus allowing the permanent magnets to rotate past freely. This neutralising pulse needs to be long enough so that the next step can initiate or until the back-step that will slow down the magnets (thus reducing its inertial energy) pull is less than the forward-step pull. AT BEST, the amount of energy to neutralise the steel magnetic effect will equal the amount of inertial energy generated by the pull of the magnets towards the steel... no GAIN. Thus there will be only loss of total energy and the efficiency of the smoothing effect as per patent description will be related to the losses in the electronics to control the neutralising field coils and mechanical resistance etc... FUTURE DEVELOMENTS My theory is that if someone can find a MATERIAL that cuts or shield a magnetic field in line-of-sight to achieve the neutralising effect proposed by the LUTEC device creator, can such a device be possible. No such material exists to my knowledge as the magnetic field would curl around the shield and still slow down the permanent magnets. Some savvy boffin may be able to come up with such a material that could even be made to mechanically rotate into and out of the line-of-sight with the permanent magnets... not unlike these film-strip movie projectors synchronises field frames onto the viewing screen. My longwinded two cents worth. Can we now get back to Bio Diesel!?!? Jurie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 03 April 2005 03:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device OK Keith, be nice. I've developed this wonderful technique of producing cold fusion in a Dr Pepper bottle, just add the secret ingredients and shake it 3.5 times... Interested? Keith Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 78 Chevy Custom DeLuxe '85 300TD '02 Subaru Outback ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Thanks for the comments, but... snip My longwinded two cents worth. You can be as longwinded as you like. Can we now get back to Bio Diesel!?!? No, in a word. This is not a biodiesel list, it's a biofuels list, and that's not just a quibble. When you joined the list you were sent a Welcome message, which you're obliged to read. It referred to the List rules, which you're also obliged to read. The List rules are here: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html They say this, among other things: Some newcomers don't realize at first that it's a *biofuels* list, not just about how to make biodiesel. Biofuels is a much more wide-ranging subject and it comes with a context. With such an international membership, what has nothing to do with biofuels is a matter of opinion. Anything that has to do with energy has relevance for biofuels issues. Similarly, though the focus is on ready-to-use technologies, discussion of all alternative energy technologies and topics is welcome. (Free energy scams might not be very welcome.) [But they're not banned - K] So the discussion is free and open. That is a long-established tradition of the list, much discussed and endorsed by the majority of the list membership. There aren't a lot of rules, but that is one of them: no calls for restricted discussion. It's a discussion list, not a less-discussion list. That said, the Biofuel list is also a very good place to learn how to make and use biodiesel, with about the best resources there are and many experienced biodieselers who are happy to help. That rule is stricty enforced. Saying something like Can we now get back to Bio Diesel!?!? could get you booted and banned. Anyway, there's plenty of room for everything, nobody is forcing you to read anything you don't want to read. Messages have subject-headers. Technical discussions on direct biofuels issues continue all the time. If what you want to discuss is not being discussed, then start your own thread. If you find that other people's posts that you are not interested in are hampering you then you need to improve your email skills. See: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/ Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Jurie. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Kerosene
I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Hello Chris. Kerosene according to JET A1 is consisting from fractions from both gasoline and diesel pools. The cetane number of kerosene should be about 38-40 and has a lower density than diesel oil. My suggestion is that you mix it with biodiesel , at the most 50/50 for engine fuel. It will make a good mix with good cold properties and the cetane number of the biodiesel (approx 50). Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Chris Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bringing Business Back Ashore
spread with all speed. Hey guys, methinks there's good money to be made in futures options on water-wings for financiers. - K http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12039 CorpWatch: Bringing Business Back Ashore Buenos Aires issues world's first ban on offshore shell companies by By Lucy Komisar, Special to CorpWatch April 4th, 2005 In December of 2004, there was a horrific fire in a Buenos Aires disco called the Cromagnon Republic. Three rock fans shot off flares that set fire to the ceiling and engulfed the overcrowded discotheque in flames and smoke. In the rush to get out, 200 people were killed and 700 injured, most from trampling and smoke inhalation. The main entrance had been wired shut, and some of the emergency exits were locked, blocking escape. In the days that followed, thousands of the victims' parents and friends marched in the streets and demanded justice. A judge started proceedings for manslaughter and froze $20 million belonging to the owner, Omar Chaban. However, investigators soon discovered that Chaban appeared in no official disco documents; he was just the administrator. The legal owners of the property and the disco company were offshore shell corporations registered in the tax haven of Uruguay, the neighboring country. The listed owner of the enterprise was a Uruguayan straw man in his 70s who had no money. The tragedy gave political space to a deceptively unassuming lawyer named Ricardo Nissen, Inspector General of Justice for Buenos Aires, who is committed to fighting the system of tax haven shell companies that is the underbelly of illegal global finance. He told CorpWatch, We think the owner of the discotheque is a single owner who divided it into offshore companies. In response, Nissen has taken a step that is the first of its kind, anywhere in the world. Six weeks after the deadly fire, he banned offshore shell companies from doing business in the capital district of Buenos Aires. The Inspector General's directives, issued in February and March, build on two resolutions he issued in 2003 and ban offshore companies that cannot prove they have real business activity in their places of registration. The new rules apply only to the capital district of Buenos Aires, the sphere of Nissen's authority. After the tragedy of Cromagnon, Nissen says, It seemed that the legislation had to become stronger. There are around three million shell companies in the world. The term shell is used to mean front or mailbox companies. They are also sometimes called International Business Corporations (IBCs) or Personal Investment Companies (PICs). They are set up with secret beneficiaries to own bank accounts or property, to effect phony transactions, to hide or launder funds, and to evade legal responsibility. Nissen's directive is a shot across the bow of the world financial system, which relies on offshore shell companies and bank accounts to move money seamlessly around the globe. But it is not an isolated act. Rather, it is one in a series of indications of the confidence of the new Argentine government, following their success in defying international financial institutions such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The New Argentina The current government of President NĀstor Kirchner came to power in late 2001, after street protests against the IMF caused the previous government to collapse. It has since brought about a series of a small economic miracles -- including the reduction of unemployment from 20 percent to around 13 percent and lowering the poverty level nearly 10 points in the last three years by encouraging cooperatives and worker-owned factories. With the backing of the protestors, who blamed the high rates of poverty and unemployment on the strict debt repayment program imposed by the IMF and other major bank creditors, Kirchner refused to repay the country's crushing $81.8 billion debt owed to bond holders. When the lenders were forced to negotiate (with the added bonus of a rebounding economy that repudiated the IMF's policies) Kirchner struck an agreement that forced creditors holding $62.2 billion of the debt to write off about 70 percent of the value. Much of the debt that Argentina has been saddled with (around $155 billion in all) is the direct result of the offshore banking system. It began under the dictator General Videla, who came to power in 1978. A judicial inquiry by the Argentine Federal Court in 2000 showed that many of the loans granted to the nation at the time -- by banks like Citibank, Chase Manhattan Bank, Deutsche Bank and Hannover Bank -- were diverted directly to front-companies set up in offshore tax havens. Some of the money was simply stolen and some was spent on weapons. None could be paid back. Another large chunk of debt was acquired by the Carlos Menem government in the 1990s, which privatized government industries such as telecommunications and the
Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene
A coworker, upon hearing of the Greasel kit, commented that as a boy his farm had an International tractor that ran on a dual tank system. It started on gasoline, and when warmed up, there was a valve to switch over to kero. He said it was hell to pay for the person who forgot to switch back before shutting the engine down for the night. - Original Message - From: malcolm maclure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:52 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Hello, there are some experiences with kerosene here in Germany (especially with users in VW diesels by people who live in the vicinity of airports and have access to kerosene in some way or other...). Result was that kerosene has not the lubrication that is needed for the pumps. That might be overcome by mixing kerosene with either diesel or biodiesel. Just be careful to not use kerosene at a 100% level... Andreas Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. Jan Warnqvist jan @carryon.se Sent by: biofuel-bounces 07.04.2005 11:05 Please respond to biofuel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene Hello Chris. Kerosene according to JET A1 is consisting from fractions from both gasoline and diesel pools. The cetane number of kerosene should be about 38-40 and has a lower density than diesel oil. My suggestion is that you mix it with biodiesel , at the most 50/50 for engine fuel. It will make a good mix with good cold properties and the cetane number of the biodiesel (approx 50). Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Chris Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
Thank you Kirk. In the picture to the right, the craft has been tilted by command, and the wind on this unusually windy day is turning the rotors, thus both holding up the craft and generating power which is transmitted back to the ground. See Australian Demonstration Site Photo http://www.skywindpower.com/ww/ D. Flying Electric Generators Other images http://skywindpower.com/ww/images/Rotorcraft%20vidlink.jpg http://skywindpower.com/ww/images/FEG_WEB%20Home2.jpg ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and su gar
Hi All, Quick comment required here. if you've got hungry people in the neighborhood that's where the starch and sugars should go. Excess capacity that can't be transported to market, I'm fine with too. Cellulose works well (crop stubble)in anaerobic processes but first has to go through a hydrolysis step. (of course so does the starch just with different enzymes). Tom -Original Message- From: Pannir P.V To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/6/05 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar On Apr 6, 2005 1:20 AM, Leslie Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interested in your process, in N.A. applications. How can details of purchase / plans be accessed? - Les. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar From: Robert Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:12:35 +0700 Subject: [Bioenergy] Part 2 - Biogas from starch and sugar PART 2 (this message has been cut to conform to the file size requirements of the listserv) Production This system uses starchy or sugary material as feedstock. 1kg of sugar or starch yields about 400 litres of methane, within a period of 6 to 8 hours. This quantity is enough for cooking one meal for 5 to 6 persons. The biogas produced by this system contains theoretically about equal volumes of carbondioxide and methane, but in reality, it turned out to have less than 5% carbondioxide. This phenomenon is explained by the fact that carbon dioxide dissolves in the water in the fermenter vessel and diffuses out of it through the 1 cm gap between the fermenter and the gas holder. We are getting about 250 g of methane per kg of flour. The values are approximations based on the volume of the gas and the crude analysis that was done in a chemistry lab. We are making arrangements with a government certified analytical lab for getting both the gas and the slurry analysed, and hope to come out with more reliable figures. The grain flour contains almost 10% protein and about half a percent of seed coat material, along with small quantities of fat in the embryo. Mr. Malar wanted to know the production potential of oilcake to methane. The biodigester working on oilcake of Madhuka indica actually uses 30 to 32 kg of oilcake (and not 16) to produce about 15 cubic meters of methane. The time taken by this reaction is just 24 hours. The weight of methane produced would be about 5.5 kg, having a clorific value of roughly 10,000 KCal/kg. [ From Nandu] Because of the residual oil and the high protein content of the oilcake, its calorific value is much greater than that of starch from cereal grains, rhizomes or tubers. As a result, this particular system is 1600 times as efficient as the conventional biogas plants. Another person, with whom we are collaborating, has a biogas plant producing daily 40 cubic meters of gas. He used to feed it daily with 1000kg dung, but now he is using daily a mixture of 200 kg cattle dung and 15 kg sorghum grain flour. He is reluctant to switch over completely to sorghum, as he feels that the bacteria may go on strike if they did not get their daily dose of dung. In his case, he replaces 800 kg dung by 15 kg flour and reduces the reaction time from 40 days to one day. He thus gets an efficiency that is 2000 times that of the traditional system. In the moving dome reactors that we use, the gas holder telescopes into the fermenter. Therefore, the total volume of the system is twice that of the volume of the gas that you expect to get from it. Starch, sugar, powdered oilcake, grain flour or powdered seed of any plant, take about the same time to digest and also produce the same amount of gas. It is likely that our high methane content is a result of a reaction 4H2 + CO2 = CH4 + 2H2O. Because very little work has been done by scientists on use of high calorie feedstocks, there is quite a lot of speculation about the high methane content that we are getting. Under our temperature and pressure, 1 cubic meter of biogas produced by a typical dung based biogas plant (50% each of CO2 and CH4) weighs about a kg. CH4 is about a third as heavy as CO2., therefore, in this case, 500 litres of CH4 would weigh about 250 g and the remaining 500 litres of CO2 would weigh about 750 g. I our case, we get almost pure methane, and it takes about 1 kg of flour to produce 500 litres of it. Therefore we came to the conclusion that our biogas plant gives 250 g of methane per kg of feedstock. We haven't found much difference in different species of grain I wish to correct the figures of oilcake used and biogas generated. It takes daily about 30
[Biofuel] cross post...word is getting out
about my biodiesel-burnin' Benz. It is not remarkable except that this group is is run by a retired mechanic, and many of the main poster are older gentlemen. There is NO politics allowed on the list, and it is not limited to only diesels. A couple of the listers are biodieselers, and we get some gruff from time to time. Maybe Ben is a member here too? ORIGINAL POST It goes overseas because we don't have the Refining capacity for it!! Thank you EPA and Sierra Club! REPLY This is a really good example of how Americans rely on pure superstition and predjudice rather than facts. Kinda like during the American Expansion period of the mid 1800s and Manifest Destiny was the 'truth' many people believed in. The U.S. uses something like 20 percent of the world's oil, and has something like 6 percent of the world's population. We're energy hogs, and we've built our cities so there is no choice... everyone must own a car (even if it they have the good taste to own a mercedes), and so our suburbs stretch for miles and miles. The last I read this morning, the U.S. uses something like 20 million barrels a day of oil. The world uses (total) something like 82 million a day. The world hasn't made major oil discoveries in decades, and has picked all the low lying fruit. The two largest oil fields in the world, Saudi Arabia's Ghawar, and Mexico's Canterell field may have both gone into permanent decline this year. We've been pumping out of both fields for 40 years. There hasn't been a major refinery built for around 20 years (if you exclude Houston's newest refinery... a biodiesel processing facility)... the industry dope that I have read said it is because of land costs, and so they have merely 'added' capacity as needed. The U.S. has acted like a major drug addict as far as petroleum is concerned... we destroyed our rail systems (even PHOENIX had a rail system.. my Dad and Grandpa told me about it!), built mini mansions on good farmland, we import our food from 1,000 miles away, from differerent countries, and we keep using more and more of this drug like there was no tomorrow. It's tomorrow. The US DOE, many petroleum geologists, many other countries, know this phenomenon by its name... 'peak oil.' But hey, I'm a raving socialist, a union officer, and a hypocrite... why listen to me? So check out Republican congressman Roscoe Barlett of Maryland, who gave a presentation two weeks ago on this very problem. _http://www.bartlett.house.gov/_ (http://www.bartlett.house.gov/) Check out Bush advisor (I don't know if the man is listening) Matt Simmons says if we do not have a 'plan B' for the peak oil problem (one to three years away) there is absolutely no way b to avoid a world energy cataclysm. _http://www.petroleumnews.com/pnads/238338932.shtml_ (http://www.petroleumnews.com/pnads/238338932.shtml) And you want to complain about the EPA and the Sierra Club? Get real. We have a serious, serious problem on our hands. It's like the Industrial Revolution, but in reverse. Ben 'peakoil.net' C ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Kerosene
biodiesel. Mixed 50/50 with biodiesel or normal diesel you can burn it quite happily in most motors I know of. I would not use it pure, though, since it is about halfway between petrol and diesel and will not lubricate very well. It will be fine for cold starts in winter. Simon Fowler MADUR ELECTRONICS Voitgasse 4 A-1220 Vienna Phone: + 43-1-2584502 Fax: + 43-1-2584502-22 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our homepage: www.madur.com, www.madurusa.com Message: 5 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:01:56 +1000 From: Chris Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Goodbye To All That Oil
From the sound of things the price of petroleum products is to cheap and should increase to adjust for inflation, world growth and demand. along with gov't intelligence and military actions needed to secure world supplies. If only there were some conciliatory alternatives to all this. Won't the problem take care of itself? As prices rise, people will voluntarily cut consumption, right? Well, in a 2003 article, energy economist Andrew McKillop showed that at least during the 1990s, the opposite happened. Each time oil prices rose, world demand rose within six-12 months. And over on the far side of Hubbert's peak, it will be physical reality, not economics, that governs consumption. With supply shrinking year by year, every barrel that comes out of the ground will likely be burned lickety-split. http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/21588/ Goodbye To All That Oil By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted April 4, 2005. The peak oil idea - which says that world oil production will go into irreversible decline sometime in the next decade or two - is quickly morphing into conventional wisdom. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Goodbye To All That Oil
Hey, I found this while surfing yesterday and thought it was interesting, ironic, and related to this thread. Mike According to information posted on the Renewable Energy: The Infinite Power of Texas Web server, the Lone Star State now imports $7 billion worth of fossil fuels annually but has more renewable energy potential than any other state in America. http://solstice.crest.org/pipermail/bioenergy/1997-June/005334.html MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the sound of things the price of petroleum products is to cheap and should increase to adjust for inflation, world growth and demand. along with gov't intelligence and military actions needed to secure world supplies. If only there were some conciliatory alternatives to all this. Won't the problem take care of itself? As prices rise, people will voluntarily cut consumption, right? Well, in a 2003 article, energy economist Andrew McKillop showed that at least during the 1990s, the opposite happened. Each time oil prices rose, world demand rose within six-12 months. And over on the far side of Hubbert's peak, it will be physical reality, not economics, that governs consumption. With supply shrinking year by year, every barrel that comes out of the ground will likely be burned lickety-split. http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/21588/ Goodbye To All That Oil By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted April 4, 2005. The peak oil idea - which says that world oil production will go into irreversible decline sometime in the next decade or two - is quickly morphing into conventional wisdom. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity
Dear Rick, What makes you think the U.S. did a good job with the invasion? It was a major cluster. Sure we beat up a third world army but failed to send the forces to close the borders. Iraq is the size of France. We invaded France in 1944 with about 1 million soldiers, Iraq with 120,000. Infantry is designed to fight for and hold territory. Our army fought extremely well, detroyed their army but it simply is too small a force to occupy a country that size. You can't occupy with firepower, you occupy with manpower. This is just basic military strategy. Do not think for an instant that I believe that we invaded to free the Iraqi people. If we really wanted to go after a really bad dictator where our military is extremely exposed and where there is a greater national threat, we'ed be in North Korea. Why aren't we there? There's certainly weapons of mass destruction? WHY? WHY? WHY? There's no oil there. Tom -Original Message- From: Rick Littrell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/5/05 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity Dear Scott, I think the thesis here is a bit of a reach. At the time of the invasion the dollar was not in the shape it is now. In fact one reason for the decline is the cost of the war. I still lean to the theory that Sadam was seen as a threat to the region and eventually would threaten US access to cheep oil by occupying his neighbors. The Bush administration calculated that it would be cheaper to attack him rather than contain him. It is a sobering thought that one of the geniuses that believed this is now head of the world bank. As far as the Euro vs the dollar, The big energy companies don't care what they get paid in or by who. At one point one of the companies that wants to drill in the Arctic admitted they'd probably sell the oil to Japan Rather than try to pipe it to the lower 48. Rick Scott wrote: How many of us had an AHA moment when reading this article? We now see the real reason for this illegal war [or at least one of the reasons]. Saddam Hussein was about to be given a clean bill of health by the UN inspection team beacuse he obviously didn't have WMD's. He was then going to open the spigots and start selling oil. Not only was he going to sell oil for Euros exacerbating the decline of the dollar, but that would also have driven the global price of oil down. Clearly, EXXON/Mobile, Chevron/Texaco, BP/Amoco et. al. did not want the price of oil to go down. ExxonMobil Corporation reported the fourth quarter of 2004 as its highest quarter ever... http://www.npnweb.com/uploads/featurearticles/2005/MarketingStrategies/ 0503ms.asp PEACE Scott - Original Message - Instead of inaugurating a new age of cheap oil, the Iraq war may become known as the beginning of an era of scarcity. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Common sense is actually quite uncommon in some circles. Most of the free energy people I have talked with seem to have a large emotional investment in their paradigm, be it concern about energy shortage to perceiving themselves as victims of a cabal. Your points are valid but I don't think the average Lutec fan will understand you. Great invention Keith. Will a Pepsi bottle work just as well? :) Kirk Jurie Vorster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not an expert in any particular field but common sense and a bit of logic tells me... 1) The how-it-works stuff claims that the *permanent* magnet provides energy in keeping the object suspended from the roof equating to a electromagnet holding it up there but expending energy instead. WELL, how would LUTEC explain the energy content of PERMANENT GLUE holding up the object... or what about hanging it from a PERMANENT HOOK that is screwed into the ceiling? 2) In the device, the magnets moves towards the steel thus giving inertial energy to the armature... then a counter electromagnetic field is applied to neutralise the magnetic properties of the steel thus allowing the permanent magnets to rotate past freely. This neutralising pulse needs to be long enough so that the next step can initiate or until the back-step that will slow down the magnets (thus reducing its inertial energy) pull is less than the forward-step pull. AT BEST, the amount of energy to neutralise the steel magnetic effect will equal the amount of inertial energy generated by the pull of the magnets towards the steel... no GAIN. Thus there will be only loss of total energy and the efficiency of the smoothing effect as per patent description will be related to the losses in the electronics to control the neutralising field coils and mechanical resistance etc... FUTURE DEVELOMENTS My theory is that if someone can find a MATERIAL that cuts or shield a magnetic field in line-of-sight to achieve the neutralising effect proposed by the LUTEC device creator, can such a device be possible. No such material exists to my knowledge as the magnetic field would curl around the shield and still slow down the permanent magnets. Some savvy boffin may be able to come up with such a material that could even be made to mechanically rotate into and out of the line-of-sight with the permanent magnets... not unlike these film-strip movie projectors synchronises field frames onto the viewing screen. My longwinded two cents worth. Can we now get back to Bio Diesel!?!? Jurie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 03 April 2005 03:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device OK Keith, be nice. I've developed this wonderful technique of producing cold fusion in a Dr Pepper bottle, just add the secret ingredients and shake it 3.5 times... Interested? Keith - Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
Quite right Mike Kirk Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, I think it's a little like a kite (except, it's a propeller) and the twine is actually a power line. How's that Kirk? ...sound right? Mike Rick Littrell wrote: Dear Kirk, How does this work? A free flying generator would simply be carried along by the wind and generate no power. If you had an engine to hold it in place against the wind you would only get back the energy you used to oppose the wind minus friction loss. You'd have a net loss of energy. If you anchored the device to the ground and floated it like a kite you could generate power providing you could keep it stable and headed into the wind. I don't know if that is possible. What exactly is this thing? Rick Kirk McLoren wrote: Windmills in the Sky By David Cohn 02:00 AM Apr. 06, 2005 PT http://www.wired.com/news/planet/0,2782,67121,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2 Australian engineer Bryan Roberts wants to build a power station in the sky -- a cluster of flying windmills soaring 15,000 feet in the air -- but is having trouble raising enough money to get the project off the ground. After 25 years of research, Roberts has designed a helicopter-like rotorcraft to hoist a wind turbine high into the air, where winds are persistent and strong. The craft, which is powered by its own electricity and can stay aloft for months, feeds electricity to the ground through a cable. Roberts, a professor of engineering at the University of Technology, Sydney, believes there is enough energy in high-altitude winds to satisfy the world's demands. Wind-tunnel data suggests a cluster of 600 flying electric generators, or FEGs, could produce three times as much energy as the United States' most productive nuclear power plant. Roberts has teamed up with Sky WindPower, a San Diego startup that is trying to commercialize his invention. The company has Federal Aviation Administration approval to conduct tests of the technology in the California desert, but needs $3 million to build full-size flying generators. The company is having trouble raising the cash because there isn't likely to be an immediate return on investors' money. High-altitude winds could provide a potentially enormous renewable energy source, and scientists like Roberts believe flying windmills could put an end to dependence on fossil fuels. At 15,000 feet, winds are strong and constant. On the ground, wind is often unreliable -- the biggest problem for ground-based wind turbines. For FEGs, the winds are much more persistent than on ground-based machines, said Roberts. That's part of the benefit, more power and greater concentration. Ken Caldeira, a climate scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said tapping into just 1 percent of the energy produced by high-altitude winds could satisfy a lot of the world's power needs. It's absurd that all this time we have turned a blind eye to the energy right above our heads, he said. High-altitude wind power represents the most concentrated flux of renewable energy found on Earth. At certain locations, the efficiency of a flying generator can be as high as 90 percent, three times higher than its grounded counterpart, according to Sky WindPower. At this efficiency, FEGs could become the nation's cheapest source of electricity, with an estimated cost per kilowatt hour of less than 2 cents, about half the price of coal, according to the Power Marketing Association. Having conducted tests with models, Sky WindPower wants to scale up Roberts' experiments and produce a commercial-sized flying windmill with four rotors. The rotorcraft will go into the first layer of the atmosphere, called the troposphere. Sky WindPower estimates the craft will produce 200 kilowatts per hour of electricity in an area that at ground level would produce none because of a lack of wind. Since strong high-altitude winds exist in many locations, the company's hope is to find sites 10 miles by 20 miles in size that are not currently used by commercial planes and turn them into restricted airspaces. Once in the air, the FEGs' roll and pitch would be controlled to catch the wind most effectively. Sky WindPower intends to use GPS technology to maintain the crafts' vertical and horizontal location to within a few feet. The craft will be brought to ground once a month or so for maintenance checks. The project has already received FAA approval and needs only to finalize a test site. Currently the company favors somewhere in Southern California. The company declined to be specific, saying it has not yet applied for local permits. Our desert test site does not have as good winds as future intended operational sites, said David Shepard, president of Sky WindPower. But starting there will enable us to proceed to more-difficult conditions with less risk. However, the company has not yet raised the capital to build the craft. Shepard
RE: [Biofuel] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35%
The talk about a large amount of fuel being unburned in a normal gasoline engine in good tune is so much blather. I think you are right Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be very wary of acetone contacting rubber or plastic. The mode of action sounds unlikely to me. One doesn't get that much of a mileage improvement with say natural gas compared to gasoline, unless one exploits the high knock resistance and the capacity for lean burning of the natural gas; even there it would depend on the gasoline use for comparison. The talk about a large amount of fuel being unburned in a normal gasoline engine in good tune is so much blather. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Dan Volker wrote: Kirk, Do you have any idea of the effects of acetone on a Honda Insight? I believe the carburetion is slightly different in this car than the average. While I get good mileage with my Insight, I'd be happy to do better still if the acetone will do no harm... Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:12 PM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35% I have my doubts Kirk Aerielle Louise [EMAIL PROTECTED] Acetone Increases Mileage 15-35% http://pesn.com/2005/03/ 17/6900069_Acetone/ Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage 15-35% - Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene
What's all this then Malcolm, an Englishman talking of kero??? LOL! Pond? What pond? The only thing on the other side is the edge of the world, not as is alleged a whole bunch of folks who talk of kerosene when they mean paraffin - they all fell off. World not flat, hmphh. Anyway, from a previous message about using, um, kero: I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. Best Keith Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
In the picture to the right, the craft has been tilted by command, and the wind on this unusually windy day is turning the rotors, thus both holding up the craft and generating power which is transmitted back to the ground. See Australian Demonstration Site Photo http://www.skywindpower.com/ww/ D. Flying Electric Generators Other images http://skywindpower.com/ww/images/Rotorcraft%20vidlink.jpg http://skywindpower.com/ww/images/FEG_WEB%20Home2.jpg It's a danger to UFOs. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Mother Earth News burners and biofuels
sunny, insects flying everywhere and fruit trees blossoming... And I finally figured out how to keep our house warm in the winter. LOL! Well, we get there in the end. With similar wonderful timing, last year at just this time I finished building our first MEN burner, the original design: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater Our one is here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me7.html Journey to Forever's Waste Oil Heater It worked really well with kerosene and with biodiesel, but it wouldn't burn biodiesel glycerine by-product, it quickly coked up. It did burn WVO, producing plenty of heat, but again it coked up quite quickly. Feasible, but too much cleaning involved. So I turned to Bruce Woodford's adaptation, which uses a forced air supply via a squirrel cage fan and a different burner design. Bruce says it reaches about 600-700 deg C at the stovetop, a lot hotter than the original design, which seemed hopeful. That's here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me6.html#mods Waste Oil Heater modifications Actually Bruce has produced a simpler design than this, I'll upload it soon with other new stuff. Great for waste motor oil, apparently - Bruce and his friends were unconcerned by the warnings last year from Richard Freudenberger, the original designer, that additives had raised the burning temperature of motor oil since the heater was designed and as a result it was no longer suitable for burning used motor oil. I did have some doubts, especially about the glycerine by-product - Michael Allen told me he thought it needed a burning temp of about 1,000 deg C and a residence time of 5 seconds. And perhaps pre-heating and atomisation as well, I thought. Only one way to find out... Nope. Strange - it didn't even like biodiesel, and just went out when I tried WVO, let alone glyc by-product. I stared at the thing resentfully and decided the burner was all wrong, no matter how well it might work with fossil fuels. So I substituted the burner from the original design, made out of a couple of frying pans and a perforated steel plate, fashioned a hood for the 2 air supply pipe to fit over it, and tried again. This worked very well with biodiesel, and much less well with WVO. So I made a 50-50 blend of WVO and biodiesel, and that worked just fine. I was testing the thing in the open backyard between the kitchen and the shed (workshop), it had been snowing and it was cold, but it warmed the whole yard up, amazing! I had to take my coat off. BUT, while we always have more WVO than we can use, plenty for winter heating fuel, I don't want to be making high-quality biodiesel all the time just to feed this thing. For one thing, the cost works out at not that much less than kerosene, which is about half the price of diesel fuel here, add the time and labour and it's not worth it. The main biodiesel cost component is of course the methanol. We get a good deal on it but it's still not cheap, and we can't get it any cheaper because there are restrictions here on how much you can store onsite. Anyway, at 20% methanol, a 50-50 mix uses 10% methanol, too much. So I made some 5% methanol biodiesel - single stage, the titration amount of KOH but only 5% meth. It dropped the glyc/FFA, but not as much as usual and it was sludgier than the usual by-product. It worked though - not something you want to put in your car, but it burned very well in the new burner. I burned it for a few hours, amazing amount of heat output, the lower half of the thing was red-hot. And no ash or sludge buildup in the burner. Right, good! At last. Maybe I can get that even lower, down to 4% meth or maybe less, but this is feasible anyway. We've been using a small woodstove in the kitchen, which works well, it made all the difference (and we have plenty of wood here), and we'd planned to put the WVO burner there, but it burns much too hot to have inside the house. Instead I'll have it outside, mounted inside a 200-litre oildrum (insulated with rice husk ash cement), with a second fan blowing air into the oildrum and outlet pipes leading into the house under the floors and into the rooms. That will certainly keep the whole house warm. We're hoping to launch the Journey to Forever-proper - the journey itself - this year, though we still have a lot to do before then. There's never been a schedule for this, despite pressure: When we're ready. There won't be much of a schedule for the journey either, we'll move on as and when each job is finished. We can see that the two of us, Midori and I, will be under a lot of pressure to spend more time (or all our time) on management and administration than on the road, but we won't have that: we'll have computers and satcoms, we'll do it virtually, and spend as much time on the road as possible. But we do plan
[Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product
have about 500 litres of it that we were hoping against hope to use as a winter heating fuel, but that seems to be out (see previous). First of all, this Turk-type burner here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor Scroll down a bit more than halfway to The pre-heating tank. On the right is our Turk-type burner, which burns raw by-product from the biodiesel process. It burns very hot! It's made out of a sawn-off fire-extinguisher, 4 in diameter, a stainless steel mug (the wick), and a curry can. The fuel reservoir is salvaged from a dead kerosene space heater, the squirrel-cage fan from a dead kerosene water heater. It takes less than an hour to heat 60 litres and uses 700 ml of by-product to do so. The outlet (lid) of the fuel tank has a valve that keeps a constant level of fuel in the reservoir below; connected by a 1/4 copper pipe, the same fuel level is maintained in the burner. The fuel tank level solves the problem of continuous feed, but it doesn't really help - it burns for about 45 minutes or so, which is enough to pre-heat the oil, but then it gets so gunged up with sticky black stuff that it chokes itself to death and has to be cleaned out before you can continue. Which is why there's not more information about it at our site - useful, but limited. I don't think any Turk burner can get hot enough to burn this stuff without getting gunged up. I see lots of talk about Babington burners, but, please tell me if I'm wrong, from what I can make out what those people mostly seem to do is fiddle about with them. At any rate I don't plan to fiddle with Babington burners and tiny holes in doorknobs and so on. I'll build another burner unit like the adapted Mother Earth burner described in the previous post, with a forced-air supply like the first one, but much smaller. I've got an empty acetylene tank (oxy-acetylene) about 9 diameter, and I'll use that, cut down, with the air-pipe going in the side instead of the top and a 6 hole cut in the top for the heat to emerge so it can be used as a stove. I'll use it with 5% meth biodiesel to heat the by-product for methanol reclamation. You get most of the methanol back by the time the temp reaches about 105 deg C; to get all of it you'd probably have to take it up to about 150 deg C. Up to now, for us at any rate, even 105 deg C has meant more energy input than the reclamation is worth. But this way it's more or less free, so it would be worth it. Our biodiesel is an economic proposition anyway, even without reclaiming the methanol, so any methanol reclaimed is jam on the top, if it can be done cheaply. We should get enough methanol back to make about 600 litres of 5% biodiesel, lots of winter heat for nothing. We might also use the stove for pre-heating the oil for biodiesel, but on the other hand our roarer pressure stove running on biodiesel does that very well, and probably with less fuss - there's not a lot of room there at the pre-heating tank, and the burner will be much bigger than the pressure stove, especially with its fuel tank and the fan. So much for the methanol, but the question remains of what to do with the rest of the by-product. Separating it into its components with phosphoric acid would give us FFAs (which might burn well in the forced-air burner), plus industrial grade glycerin, plus potassium phosphate salts - chemical fertiliser, but we don't have any use for chemical fertiliser, we don't have a market for the glycerine, and phosphoric acid is expensive. And we'll have removed the methanol by then, so it won't separate anyway (though we could separate it first and reclaim the methanol from the glycerine portion). Separation's here, by the way: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html Separating glycerine/FFAs I'm sceptical of claims that people make soap out of it of a high enough quality to sell. Anyway we use KOH, not NaOH, so the by-product is always liquid and I don't think it could be made into a solid bar soap. No doubt you can make soap out of it that works okay but isn't good enough to sell, but that would be far more soap than we could ever use. As a cleaner and degreaser it's effective but it's very caustic, rough on the hands. We're working on a soapmaking process that we hope will give us a liquid product that's as effective as a degreaser but won't be so harsh. Even so, we don't expect that will account for very much of our by-product production. Now the weather's warming up and the soil's coming to life again I'll start a series of tests on composting it and adding it to soil direct, not so much as a disposal method but to see if it can be done with benefit to the compost and to soil fertility. I'm not sure how this will work out, but I want better information than what seems to be available, that you can dispose of it via composting if you mix it with enough dry, brown stuff
re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity
Iraq Invasion May Be Remembered as Start of the Age of Oil Scarcity By Robert Collier San Francisco Chronicle Sunday 20 March 2005 http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/032105EA.shtml Production tumbles in post-Hussein era as more countries vie for shrinking supplies ... If it weren't for the insurgency, Iraq would produce at least another million barrels day -- and maybe two, said Gal Luft, co-director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security in Washington. Iraq is very much missing from the market, and it's one of the reasons why prices have risen so much. I love it how people like Gal Luft can quickly ignore the cause-effect relationship... If it wasn't for the US invasion the insurgency wouldn't exist. ... Fast-rising energy prices helped the Bush administration rally votes in Congress for its proposal to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and gas drilling. That proposal squeezed out a victory by a two-vote margin in the Senate last week. But then again, if it wasn't for the invasion that cuased the insurgency that caused the oil shortarge then the ANWR may have remained protected. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
I agree with Rick, it looks like a kite with a propeller on it. If it works then the only energy need would be to get it up there in the first place, then if the wind is consistant enough it should stay there. Having said i imagine that it would require a fairly hefty tether/power line...and as the air is less dense I guess it would need to be fairly big. I dont know about the US/rest of the world but I dont think one of those in the sky would go down to well with the UK general public!! It sounds a bit sci-fi to me. Can anyone confirm that this is a real company / idea?? Thanks Joe Message: 2 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Rick, I think it's a little like a kite (except, it's a propeller) and the twine is actually a power line. How's that Kirk? ...sound right? snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Lol Keith! Sorry, it's a symptom of being a member of such a multi cultural list :-) Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 07 April 2005 16:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene Hi Malcolm and all What's all this then Malcolm, an Englishman talking of kero??? LOL! Pond? What pond? The only thing on the other side is the edge of the world, not as is alleged a whole bunch of folks who talk of kerosene when they mean paraffin - they all fell off. World not flat, hmphh. Anyway, from a previous message about using, um, kero: I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. Best Keith Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity
These are excellent points. In the case of France though the German army was a bit more of a challenge than the Iraq army, the French actually wanted us there. The response we got from the French is what Bush apparently thought he would get from the Iraqis (sp?). Unfortunately, he had no equivalent to DeGaul. I don't agree about not being able to occupy with fire power. That is no longer true. How many troops were lost invading Japan? He had more than enough troops to occupy Iraq had he treated it as an enemy instead of a victim of a dictatorship although he would have been an even bigger war criminal than he is now. As for North Korea, I think he had sense enough to know ... OK, the people around him had sense enough to know, that the North Korean Army could inflict unacceptable losses on us even if we won and we would risk complications with China. He doesn't fight from principle. As many in this group have pointed out, he is basically a bully. Rick Tom Irwin wrote: Dear Rick, What makes you think the U.S. did a good job with the invasion? It was a major cluster. Sure we beat up a third world army but failed to send the forces to close the borders. Iraq is the size of France. We invaded France in 1944 with about 1 million soldiers, Iraq with 120,000. Infantry is designed to fight for and hold territory. Our army fought extremely well, detroyed their army but it simply is too small a force to occupy a country that size. You can't occupy with firepower, you occupy with manpower. This is just basic military strategy. Do not think for an instant that I believe that we invaded to free the Iraqi people. If we really wanted to go after a really bad dictator where our military is extremely exposed and where there is a greater national threat, we'ed be in North Korea. Why aren't we there? There's certainly weapons of mass destruction? WHY? WHY? WHY? There's no oil there. Tom -Original Message- From: Rick Littrell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/5/05 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity Dear Scott, I think the thesis here is a bit of a reach. At the time of the invasion the dollar was not in the shape it is now. In fact one reason for the decline is the cost of the war. I still lean to the theory that Sadam was seen as a threat to the region and eventually would threaten US access to cheep oil by occupying his neighbors. The Bush administration calculated that it would be cheaper to attack him rather than contain him. It is a sobering thought that one of the geniuses that believed this is now head of the world bank. As far as the Euro vs the dollar, The big energy companies don't care what they get paid in or by who. At one point one of the companies that wants to drill in the Arctic admitted they'd probably sell the oil to Japan Rather than try to pipe it to the lower 48. Rick Scott wrote: How many of us had an AHA moment when reading this article? We now see the real reason for this illegal war [or at least one of the reasons]. Saddam Hussein was about to be given a clean bill of health by the UN inspection team beacuse he obviously didn't have WMD's. He was then going to open the spigots and start selling oil. Not only was he going to sell oil for Euros exacerbating the decline of the dollar, but that would also have driven the global price of oil down. Clearly, EXXON/Mobile, Chevron/Texaco, BP/Amoco et. al. did not want the price of oil to go down. ExxonMobil Corporation reported the fourth quarter of 2004 as its highest quarter ever... http://www.npnweb.com/uploads/featurearticles/2005/MarketingStrategies/ 0503ms.asp PEACE Scott - Original Message - Instead of inaugurating a new age of cheap oil, the Iraq war may become known as the beginning of an era of scarcity. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
Thanks for the information. This is really interesting. Rick Keith Addison wrote: Thank you Kirk. In the picture to the right, the craft has been tilted by command, and the wind on this unusually windy day is turning the rotors, thus both holding up the craft and generating power which is transmitted back to the ground. See Australian Demonstration Site Photo http://www.skywindpower.com/ww/ D. Flying Electric Generators Other images http://skywindpower.com/ww/images/Rotorcraft%20vidlink.jpg http://skywindpower.com/ww/images/FEG_WEB%20Home2.jpg It's a danger to UFOs. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] taking out Saddam
Dear Darryl, In retrospect, it would have been cheaper in both blood and money to have kept Sadam under scrutiny and contained him instead of invading. Rick Darryl wrote: No, they did not have weapons of mass destruction yet, but they did have the know how and planned to build them ASAP once the sanctions were lifted. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Filtered WVO mixed with diesel
to be making my own biodiesel unfortunately. I live in an apartment complex with no garage. I'm thinking about collecting some WVO and filtering. Driving a 24v Cummins turbodiesel (Bosch VP44 and NOT common rail injection) that has been converted to be more biodiesel friendly (Running Goodyear J30R9 hose from the tank to the injection pump and a Racor 6120R filter), can I simply filter WVO and mix it to a percentage with petrodiesel? If so, what percentage would be completely safe with no worries of hard starts and clogging my fancy new RV275 injectors. I fill about 30 gallons and was thinking 5-10 gallons (?). To what microns should it be filtered prior to putting in my tank? Will the petrodiesel and veg. oil seperate ? Will 1 go to the top and the other the bottom? Or will driving slosh it up enough to keep it mixed? (Pictures of my truck and fuel system at http://www.jctransport.com/gallery/01dodge) Thanks! -- Patrick Campbell Daytime: 602.723.3098 Evening: 201.345.4133 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
free energy people I have talked with seem to have a large emotional investment in their paradigm, be it concern about energy shortage to perceiving themselves as victims of a cabal. Your points are valid but I don't think the average Lutec fan will understand you. Great invention Keith. Will a Pepsi bottle work just as well? LOL! No, Kirk, it has to be a Dr Pepsi bottle. Do I see you getting out your chequebook? :-) regards Keith :) Kirk Jurie Vorster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not an expert in any particular field but common sense and a bit of logic tells me... 1) The how-it-works stuff claims that the *permanent* magnet provides energy in keeping the object suspended from the roof equating to a electromagnet holding it up there but expending energy instead. WELL, how would LUTEC explain the energy content of PERMANENT GLUE holding up the object... or what about hanging it from a PERMANENT HOOK that is screwed into the ceiling? 2) In the device, the magnets moves towards the steel thus giving inertial energy to the armature... then a counter electromagnetic field is applied to neutralise the magnetic properties of the steel thus allowing the permanent magnets to rotate past freely. This neutralising pulse needs to be long enough so that the next step can initiate or until the back-step that will slow down the magnets (thus reducing its inertial energy) pull is less than the forward-step pull. AT BEST, the amount of energy to neutralise the steel magnetic effect will equal the amount of inertial energy generated by the pull of the magnets towards the steel... no GAIN. Thus there will be only loss of total energy and the efficiency of the smoothing effect as per patent description will be related to the losses in the electronics to control the neutralising field coils and mechanical resistance etc... FUTURE DEVELOMENTS My theory is that if someone can find a MATERIAL that cuts or shield a magnetic field in line-of-sight to achieve the neutralising effect proposed by the LUTEC device creator, can such a device be possible. No such material exists to my knowledge as the magnetic field would curl around the shield and still slow down the permanent magnets. Some savvy boffin may be able to come up with such a material that could even be made to mechanically rotate into and out of the line-of-sight with the permanent magnets... not unlike these film-strip movie projectors synchronises field frames onto the viewing screen. My longwinded two cents worth. Can we now get back to Bio Diesel!?!? Jurie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 03 April 2005 03:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device OK Keith, be nice. I've developed this wonderful technique of producing cold fusion in a Dr Pepper bottle, just add the secret ingredients and shake it 3.5 times... Interested? Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
I believe this thing runs like a auto-gyro. Ya get it going in the wind and it just keeps going going going and as long as it's going it generates power. Now the question is how do ya keep planes from crashing into the power line??? Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite right Mike Kirk Michael Redler wrote: Hi Rick, I think it's a little like a kite (except, it's a propeller) and the twine is actually a power line. How's that Kirk? ...sound right? Mike Rick Littrell wrote: Dear Kirk, How does this work? A free flying generator would simply be carried along by the wind and generate no power. If you had an engine to hold it in place against the wind you would only get back the energy you used to oppose the wind minus friction loss. You'd have a net loss of energy. If you anchored the device to the ground and floated it like a kite you could generate power providing you could keep it stable and headed into the wind. I don't know if that is possible. What exactly is this thing? Rick Kirk McLoren wrote: Windmills in the Sky By David Cohn 02:00 AM Apr. 06, 2005 PT http://www.wired.com/news/planet/0,2782,67121,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2 Australian engineer Bryan Roberts wants to build a power station in the sky -- a cluster of flying windmills soaring 15,000 feet in the air -- but is having trouble raising enough money to get the project off the ground. After 25 years of research, Roberts has designed a helicopter-like rotorcraft to hoist a wind turbine high into the air, where winds are persistent and strong. The craft, which is powered by its own electricity and can stay aloft for months, feeds electricity to the ground through a cable. Roberts, a professor of engineering at the University of Technology, Sydney, believes there is enough energy in high-altitude winds to satisfy the world's demands. Wind-tunnel data suggests a cluster of 600 flying electric generators, or FEGs, could produce three times as much energy as the United States' most productive nuclear power plant. Roberts has teamed up with Sky WindPower, a San Diego startup that is trying to commercialize his invention. The company has Federal Aviation Administration approval to conduct tests of the technology in the California desert, but needs $3 million to build full-size flying generators. The company is having trouble raising the cash because there isn't likely to be an immediate return on investors' money. High-altitude winds could provide a potentially enormous renewable energy source, and scientists like Roberts believe flying windmills could put an end to dependence on fossil fuels. At 15,000 feet, winds are strong and constant. On the ground, wind is often unreliable -- the biggest problem for ground-based wind turbines. For FEGs, the winds are much more persistent than on ground-based machines, said Roberts. That's part of the benefit, more power and greater concentration. Ken Caldeira, a climate scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said tapping into just 1 percent of the energy produced by high-altitude winds could satisfy a lot of the world's power needs. It's absurd that all this time we have turned a blind eye to the energy right above our heads, he said. High-altitude wind power represents the most concentrated flux of renewable energy found on Earth. At certain locations, the efficiency of a flying generator can be as high as 90 percent, three times higher than its grounded counterpart, according to Sky WindPower. At this efficiency, FEGs could become the nation's cheapest source of electricity, with an estimated cost per kilowatt hour of less than 2 cents, about half the price of coal, according to the Power Marketing Association. Having conducted tests with models, Sky WindPower wants to scale up Roberts' experiments and produce a commercial-sized flying windmill with four rotors. The rotorcraft will go into the first layer of the atmosphere, called the troposphere. Sky WindPower estimates the craft will produce 200 kilowatts per hour of electricity in an area that at ground level would produce none because of a lack of wind. Since strong high-altitude winds exist in many locations, the company's hope is to find sites 10 miles by 20 miles in size that are not currently used by commercial planes and turn them into restricted airspaces. Once in the air, the FEGs' roll and pitch would be controlled to catch the wind most effectively. Sky WindPower intends to use GPS technology to maintain the crafts' vertical and horizontal location to within a few feet. The craft will be brought to ground once a month or so for maintenance checks. The project has already received FAA approval and needs only to finalize a test site. Currently the company favors somewhere in Southern California. The company declined to be specific, saying it has not yet applied for local permits. Our desert test site does not have as good winds as
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
With respect to the US contribution to the European theater consider that at Stalingrad the German losses were 300,000 and the Russian 400,000 and Stalingrad was a battle that the Russians won! At Kursk the Germans lost 100,000 killed and wounded and the Russians 250,000 killed and 600,000 wounded. It was the largest armored battle prior to the 1967 Arab - Israeli war. The US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome. Rick bmolloy wrote: Hello Hakan, Again with respect, it is not well known that the Pacific losses in WW2 were greater than in Europe. If that is the case I'd like to see your source for the statement. MacArthur was supreme commander in the Pacfic. I have given you his total losses throughout his campaign which ranged all the way from his starting point in Australia to the moment he accepted the Japanese surrender in Tokyo Bay. I based these on figures given my William Manchester, one of the most respected American biographers of the postwar period. The precise wording of his footnote, on page 639 of the 1979 Hutchinson paperback edition American Caesar - Douglas MacArthur, reads American casualties in the Bulge were 106,502. MacArthur's 90,437. The item to which this footnote refers reads: The Battle of the Bulge (a four week break-out by German armoured columns under General Von Rundsted in the Ardennes beginning December 16, 1944, and ending January 16, 1945) ...resulted in as many American casualties as were sustained in th entire Southwest Pacfic area campaign from Australia to Tokyo. To look at a couple of single battles in Europe. At the battle of Anzio in Italy, where the Allies fought for nearly four months (January 22 to May 25, 1943) to secure a beachhead that placed them only 37 miles from Rome, the total American, i.e. not Allied, casualties were 72,306 GIs. In the battle of Normandy - June 6 to July 31, 1944 - Eisenhower lost 28,366 GIs. The bottom line is that American losses in Europe were many, many times those in the Pacific. Please don't tell me that these figures are no indication. They are exact battlefield totals. I have given your chapter and verse for my sources. If you have figures to the contrary I would be very pleased to hear them, and of course the source. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Bob, Even those numbers are sub number and does not say anything. It is possible that my source was wrong, but do not give me number who says nothing to that effect. If my source is right and US losses were 10% of allies total, around 10,000 US soldiers died in the Battle of Bulge. It is also something wrong with that US should have lost around 100,000 in Pacific and around 300,000 in Europe. When it is well known fact that the Pacific losses were higher than the European. Please try again and maybe you will find something more realistic. Hakan At 01:55 AM 4/4/2005, you wrote: Hello Hakan, (snip) The number you give is WWII losses, I was talking about the European part of WWII. This because we talked about taking out Hitler. US lost several times more in the Pacific, than they did in Europe. With respect, the total allied losses under General MacArthur - Supreme Commander of the Pacific theatre of operation - in the entire campaign fought from Australia to his arrival in Tokyo were 90,437. In the Battle of the Bulge in France in 1944 - which was just a single battle fought over a few weeks during the Second Front campaign - a total of 106,502 allied soldiers died. (See: American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur, by William Manchester. Hutchinson 1979, page 639). Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product
Point of safety I'll build another burner unit like the adapted Mother Earth burner described in the previous post, with a forced-air supply like the first one, but much smaller. I've got an empty acetylene tank (oxy-acetylene) about 9 diameter, and I'll use that, cut down, I wouldn't recommend cutting up an acetylene bottle!! Acetylene cannot be compressed safely to any useful degree on its own - in fact the first attempt to compress it actually killed those working on the project!!! BANG To get the acetylene to compress it is dissolved in acetone. The bottle actually contains felt wadding soaked in acetone that's why acetylene bottles, when you tap them, don't ring like oxygen bottles. PLEASE LEAVE ACETYLENE BOTTLES ALONE Safety first!! Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 07 April 2005 16:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product The problem, as such, remains - what to do with the by-product? We have about 500 litres of it that we were hoping against hope to use as a winter heating fuel, but that seems to be out (see previous). First of all, this Turk-type burner here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor Scroll down a bit more than halfway to The pre-heating tank. On the right is our Turk-type burner, which burns raw by-product from the biodiesel process. It burns very hot! It's made out of a sawn-off fire-extinguisher, 4 in diameter, a stainless steel mug (the wick), and a curry can. The fuel reservoir is salvaged from a dead kerosene space heater, the squirrel-cage fan from a dead kerosene water heater. It takes less than an hour to heat 60 litres and uses 700 ml of by-product to do so. The outlet (lid) of the fuel tank has a valve that keeps a constant level of fuel in the reservoir below; connected by a 1/4 copper pipe, the same fuel level is maintained in the burner. The fuel tank level solves the problem of continuous feed, but it doesn't really help - it burns for about 45 minutes or so, which is enough to pre-heat the oil, but then it gets so gunged up with sticky black stuff that it chokes itself to death and has to be cleaned out before you can continue. Which is why there's not more information about it at our site - useful, but limited. I don't think any Turk burner can get hot enough to burn this stuff without getting gunged up. I see lots of talk about Babington burners, but, please tell me if I'm wrong, from what I can make out what those people mostly seem to do is fiddle about with them. At any rate I don't plan to fiddle with Babington burners and tiny holes in doorknobs and so on. I'll build another burner unit like the adapted Mother Earth burner described in the previous post, with a forced-air supply like the first one, but much smaller. I've got an empty acetylene tank (oxy-acetylene) about 9 diameter, and I'll use that, cut down, with the air-pipe going in the side instead of the top and a 6 hole cut in the top for the heat to emerge so it can be used as a stove. I'll use it with 5% meth biodiesel to heat the by-product for methanol reclamation. You get most of the methanol back by the time the temp reaches about 105 deg C; to get all of it you'd probably have to take it up to about 150 deg C. Up to now, for us at any rate, even 105 deg C has meant more energy input than the reclamation is worth. But this way it's more or less free, so it would be worth it. Our biodiesel is an economic proposition anyway, even without reclaiming the methanol, so any methanol reclaimed is jam on the top, if it can be done cheaply. We should get enough methanol back to make about 600 litres of 5% biodiesel, lots of winter heat for nothing. We might also use the stove for pre-heating the oil for biodiesel, but on the other hand our roarer pressure stove running on biodiesel does that very well, and probably with less fuss - there's not a lot of room there at the pre-heating tank, and the burner will be much bigger than the pressure stove, especially with its fuel tank and the fan. So much for the methanol, but the question remains of what to do with the rest of the by-product. Separating it into its components with phosphoric acid would give us FFAs (which might burn well in the forced-air burner), plus industrial grade glycerin, plus potassium phosphate salts - chemical fertiliser, but we don't have any use for chemical fertiliser, we don't have a market for the glycerine, and phosphoric acid is expensive. And we'll have removed the methanol by then, so it won't separate anyway (though we could separate it first and reclaim the methanol from the glycerine portion). Separation's here, by the way:
Re: [Biofuel] taking out Saddam
Rick, actually it was not me that wrote the text you responded to below. That would have been Mike (see http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/45661/) Dear Darryl, In retrospect, it would have been cheaper in both blood and money to have kept Sadam under scrutiny and contained him instead of invading. Rick Darryl wrote: No, they did not have weapons of mass destruction yet, but they did have the know how and planned to build them ASAP once the sanctions were lifted. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity
Dear Tom, These are excellent points. In the case of France though the German army was a bit more of a challenge than the Iraq army, the French actually wanted us there. You bring up something interesting, Rick. I would like to clarify, however, that the German troops we Americans faced in France were far from the crack, front line divisions that initially invaded Western Europe. I have read somewhere that the best troops in the German army were transferred to face the Soviets during the Operation Against Bolshevism and in their place, second line divisions and reserves filled the void. Field Marshal Rommel once described Fortress Europa as Cloud Cuckoo Land. Nonetheless, those German troops put up a formidable fight. They were well equipped and led by an outstanding officer corps. In the case of Iraq, we were told that they constituted an imminent threat. I remember hearing about WMD warheads able to fire on 30 minute notice. We were warned about mushroom clouds over American cities. When our troops invaded Iraq, the resistance the Iraqi army actually mounted against us has to qualify for among the most inept in history. They didn't even destroy a single bridge leading to Baghdad! Perhaps SOME of the Iraqis wanted us there. Perhaps we had SOME good will among the civilian population, at least initially. Our inability to secure the place, coupled with an increasingly effective insurgency, compounded by the inability of Iraqis to agree on a government, essentially led us into the quagmire we now face in that country. Whenever I say: I told you so, I now hear a list of accomplishments and derogatory remarks about my allegedly liberal perspective from the people who think we've done well with our current Middle East meddling. I don't agree about not being able to occupy with fire power. That is no longer true. How many troops were lost invading Japan? He had more than enough troops to occupy Iraq had he treated it as an enemy instead of a victim of a dictatorship although he would have been an even bigger war criminal than he is now. Here I disagree with you strongly. American military planners are trying very hard not to replicate Vietnam, and among the techniques they espouse is the idea that force multipliers (such as overwhelming air power) can make up for troop strength on the ground. This serves to limit the number of possible American casualties, but it has a few unintended consequences. The first, is that American soldiers have to rely on brute firepower to accomplish their objectives; a principle that serves the soldier well, but often does so at the cost of civilian lives in urban areas. Other people in the world interpret this as either cowardice (Why don't those Americans just stand up and fight? This is a sentiment I've often heard from my saintly mother in law, who doesn't understand that the job of a soldier is to kill other people, not to die himself!), or excessive force. I've written before that the military is, at best, a blunt instrument. Bludgeoning the Iraqi insurgency into submission will come at a high cost. We were not told that this would be the case prior to the invasion, and much obfuscation has occurred since then to deflect attention away from the truth of the matter. In the case of Japan, there are several mitigating circumstances that compound comparison of the conflicts. One of them is cultural. Defeat for a Japanese of that era was utterly humiliating, and they did not rise up against us when our forces arrived to occupy the islands. (It would also be helpful to tabulate how many American soldiers were involved in the occupation of that country.) Secondly, the nation had been effectively reduced to rubble by massive aerial bombardment, and the economy was in absolute shambles from the war. Thirdly, the use of atomic weapons (not merely the threat of them) crossed a threshold that had never been reached before. We didn't have the ability at the time to utterly destroy the Japanese nation with atom bombs, but their leadership didn't know that, and further, no one else on earth was capable of retaliating against us at the time. Additionally, Douglas MacArthur did a brilliant job as that nation's administrator until an elected government could take his place. That achievement is the shining moment of MacArthur's career. No similar circumstances exist in Iraq. If we destroy the Iraqi people with our own WMDs, we lose all credibility. (Do we have any left?) The NeoCon belief that costs would be minimal has been laughingly assigned to the scrap heap of unsupported, nationalistic nonsense where the theory of a master race, communism and a host of other stupidities have been discarded. As for North Korea, I think he had sense enough to know ... OK, the people around him had sense enough to know, that the North Korean Army could inflict unacceptable
[Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
This morning, gasoline prices hit $1.00 per liter for regular. I've never seen it higher than this. Premium fuel, which I have to run in my truck, is generally 20 cents more per liter, so I DIDN'T fill my tank this morning. . . Oh, for ethanol! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Mother Earth News burners and biofuels
Hello Keith. It is good to read that spring is there again in that part of Japan. Around here on your the opposite part of the wolrd, in the midle of South America, last weekend we have a tipical start of the autum with rain and cold winds, temperatures dropping to 13o C but it recover againg during this week and we are using AC again with high humitiy and bugs like summer time. I am curious, the fruit trees blossoming... are those famost Sakura trees or Plum trees? I remember having a party under an old Sakura during April in Tsukuba-shi, Ibaraki-ken. I hope you are getting well. Best Regards. Juan Pilar - Paraguay -Original Message - From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 07, 2005 11:03 AM For:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[Biofuel] Mother Earth News burners and biofuels Yesterday was the first real day of spring here, it was 20 deg C, sunny, insects flying everywhere and fruit trees blossoming... And I finally figured out how to keep our house warm in the winter. LOL! Well, we get there in the end. With similar wonderful timing, last year at just this time I finished building our first MEN burner, the original design: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater Our one is here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me7.html Journey to Forever's Waste Oil Heater It worked really well with kerosene and with biodiesel, but it wouldn't burn biodiesel glycerine by-product, it quickly coked up. It did burn WVO, producing plenty of heat, but again it coked up quite quickly. Feasible, but too much cleaning involved. So I turned to Bruce Woodford's adaptation, which uses a forced air supply via a squirrel cage fan and a different burner design. Bruce says it reaches about 600-700 deg C at the stovetop, a lot hotter than the original design, which seemed hopeful. That's here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me6.html #mods Waste Oil Heater modifications Actually Bruce has produced a simpler design than this, I'll upload it soon with other new stuff. Great for waste motor oil, apparently - Bruce and his friends were unconcerned by the warnings last year from Richard Freudenberger, the original designer, that additives had raised the burning temperature of motor oil since the heater was designed and as a result it was no longer suitable for burning used motor oil. I did have some doubts, especially about the glycerine by-product - Michael Allen told me he thought it needed a burning temp of about 1,000 deg C and a residence time of 5 seconds. And perhaps pre-heating and atomisation as well, I thought. Only one way to find out... Nope. Strange - it didn't even like biodiesel, and just went out when I tried WVO, let alone glyc by-product. I stared at the thing resentfully and decided the burner was all wrong, no matter how well it might work with fossil fuels. So I substituted the burner from the original design, made out of a couple of frying pans and a perforated steel plate, fashioned a hood for the 2 air supply pipe to fit over it, and tried again. This worked very well with biodiesel, and much less well with WVO. So I made a 50-50 blend of WVO and biodiesel, and that worked just fine. I was testing the thing in the open backyard between the kitchen and the shed (workshop), it had been snowing and it was cold, but it warmed the whole yard up, amazing! I had to take my coat off. BUT, while we always have more WVO than we can use, plenty for winter heating fuel, I don't want to be making high-quality biodiesel all the time just to feed this thing. For one thing, the cost works out at not that much less than kerosene, which is about half the price of diesel fuel here, add the time and labour and it's not worth it. The main biodiesel cost component is of course the methanol. We get a good deal on it but it's still not cheap, and we can't get it any cheaper because there are restrictions here on how much you can store onsite. Anyway, at 20% methanol, a 50-50 mix uses 10% methanol, too much. So I made some 5% methanol biodiesel - single stage, the titration amount of KOH but only 5% meth. It dropped the glyc/FFA, but not as much as usual and it was sludgier than the usual by-product. It worked though - not something you want to put in your car, but it burned very well in the new burner. I burned it for a few hours, amazing amount of heat output, the lower half of the thing was red-hot. And no ash or sludge buildup in the burner. Right, good! At last. Maybe I can get that even lower, down to 4% meth or maybe less, but this is feasible anyway. We've been using a small woodstove in the kitchen, which works well, it made all the difference (and we have plenty of wood here), and we'd planned to put the WVO burner there, but it burns much too hot to have inside the house. Instead I'll have it outside, mounted inside a 200-litre oildrum (insulated
RE: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product
Damn, now I won't get that Darwin award I was hoping for... :-) Thanks very much! A timely warning, I was planning to do it at the weekend. (Phew!) I asked the engineer who gave it to me and he wasn't very concerned. He knew I wanted to cut it up and gave it to me for that purpose. The bottle is outside, it's allegedly empty, and what I was planning to do was to drill a very small hole, very carefully and slowly, into the top, prepared all the while to drop the drill and run like hell. I've done that before, but admittedly not with an acetylene tank. You don't think that's a sound plan then? The trouble is it's really hard to lay your hands on empty tanks here. There should be loads of empty gas tanks around that have passed their use-by date but we haven't got anywhere trying to locate a source for them. Point of safety I'll build another burner unit like the adapted Mother Earth burner described in the previous post, with a forced-air supply like the first one, but much smaller. I've got an empty acetylene tank (oxy-acetylene) about 9 diameter, and I'll use that, cut down, I wouldn't recommend cutting up an acetylene bottle!! Acetylene cannot be compressed safely to any useful degree on its own - in fact the first attempt to compress it actually killed those working on the project!!! BANG To get the acetylene to compress it is dissolved in acetone. The bottle actually contains felt wadding soaked in acetone that's why acetylene bottles, when you tap them, don't ring like oxygen bottles. PLEASE LEAVE ACETYLENE BOTTLES ALONE Safety first!! Indeed! Thanks again Malcolm Keith Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 07 April 2005 16:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product The problem, as such, remains - what to do with the by-product? We have about 500 litres of it that we were hoping against hope to use as a winter heating fuel, but that seems to be out (see previous). snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity
Rick Littrell wrote: Dear Tom, These are excellent points. In the case of France though the German army was a bit more of a challenge than the Iraq army, the French actually wanted us there. You bring up something interesting, Rick. I would like to clarify, however, that the German troops we Americans faced in France were far from the crack, front line divisions that initially invaded Western Europe. I have read somewhere that the best troops in the German army were transferred to face the Soviets during the Operation Against Bolshevism and in their place, second line divisions and reserves filled the void. Field Marshal Rommel once described Fortress Europa as Cloud Cuckoo Land. Nonetheless, those German troops put up a formidable fight. They were well equipped and led by an outstanding officer corps. In the case of Iraq, we were told that they constituted an imminent threat. I remember hearing about WMD warheads able to fire on 30 minute notice. We were warned about mushroom clouds over American cities. When our troops invaded Iraq, the resistance the Iraqi army actually mounted against us has to qualify for among the most inept in history. There wasn't much left of them by that time, which I think was the idea. They didn't even destroy a single bridge leading to Baghdad! Perhaps SOME of the Iraqis wanted us there. Or wanted Saddam gone at any price. But then would the toppling of the statue for instance have had to be rigged and stage-managed like that, with minimal Iraqi involvement or apparent interest? Perhaps we had SOME good will among the civilian population, at least initially. But does anybody welcome illegal invaders? I don't think many Iraqis were under many illusions about that. Our inability to secure the place, coupled with an increasingly effective insurgency, compounded by the inability of Iraqis to agree on a government, Actually I agree that the elections were a success ... of opposition to the United States. What is being suppressed - except for Middle East specialists, who know about it perfectly well and are writing about it, or people who in fact have read the newspapers in the last couple of years - what's being suppressed is the fact that the United States had to be brought kicking and screaming into accepting elections. The U.S. was strongly opposed to them. I wrote about the early stages of this in a book that came out a year ago, which only discussed the early stages of U.S. opposition. But it increased. The U.S. wanted to write a constitution, it wanted to impose some kind of caucus system that the U.S. could control, and it tried to impose extremely harsh neo-liberal rules, like you mentioned, which even Iraqi businessmen were strongly opposed to. But there has been a very powerful nonviolent resistance in Iraq - far more significant than suicide bombers and so on. And it simply compelled the United States step by step to back down. That's the popular movement of nonviolent resistance that was symbolized by Ayatollah Sistani, but it's far broader than that. The population simply would not accept the rules that the occupation authorities were imposing, and finally Washington was compelled, very reluctantly, to accept elections. It tried in every way to undermine them. From: On Globalization, Iraq, and Middle East Studies - Noam Chomsky interviewed by Danilo Mandic, March 29, 2005 http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11ItemID=7548 essentially led us into the quagmire we now face in that country. Whenever I say: I told you so, I now hear a list of accomplishments and derogatory remarks about my allegedly liberal perspective from the people who think we've done well with our current Middle East meddling. A common view in the hopelessly spun US, but very rare everywhere else, where there's generally more and better coverage and less disinfo afoot. Don't you just hate saying I told you so??? It would be so much better to've been wrong sometimes. Often! I don't agree about not being able to occupy with fire power. That is no longer true. How many troops were lost invading Japan? He had more than enough troops to occupy Iraq had he treated it as an enemy instead of a victim of a dictatorship although he would have been an even bigger war criminal than he is now. Here I disagree with you strongly. American military planners are trying very hard not to replicate Vietnam, and among the techniques they espouse is the idea that force multipliers (such as overwhelming air power) can make up for troop strength on the ground. This serves to limit the number of possible American casualties, but it has a few unintended consequences. The first, is that American soldiers have to rely on brute firepower to accomplish their objectives; a principle that serves the soldier well, but often does so at the cost of civilian lives in urban areas. It's also
Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
Living in Hawaii, I wish gas was THAT cheap.. we are currently paying almostt $3 per gallon for #2 diesel, and that's rising by the minute. So...like the responsible guy I'm trying to be I wrote to all the newspapers about oil palms (which would do well here), about 630 gal of oil per acre per year.what an opportunity for biodiesel, thus making Hawaii at least partly independent from the Oil companies and the shipping companies. But you know what, nobody came to investigate further, no lawmaker wants to go on the internet to see for themselves, it seems. The only thing I am worried I'll accomplish is some lawmaker here trying to make homebiodiesel making ILLEGAL (Have to have insurance, environmental impact study, Hawaii with its ocean and reefs etc, can't have people messing around with dangerous chemicals here.) In Maui they are making BD but on the Big Island where they are wondering what to do with the land of the former sugar plantations and where they are complaining about the absence of an energy master plan for the islands... no interest. 1 acre of oil palms = powering 1 small diesel car forever Period..(I guess that's why you called it Journey To Forever) There are a bunch of BD makers here and SVO users, but they are all keeping a pretty low profile, and I'm beginning to see, why. Well I'm hoping for a more upbeat message for next time, and maybe some of the local guys could contact me to talk about where we are heading. Greetings, Stephan (808 959 3528) Hello everyone! This morning, gasoline prices hit $1.00 per liter for regular. I've never seen it higher than this. Premium fuel, which I have to run in my truck, is generally 20 cents more per liter, so I DIDN'T fill my tank this morning. . . Oh, for ethanol! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
The US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome. Clearly any good student of history knows that US losses in Europe during WWII were completely drawfed by those of Germany and Russian, but to claim that US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome of the war is utterly assinine. Maybe June 6th 1944 rings a bell? Do I believe the Hollywood myth that corn fed American farm boys singlehandedly swooped it to pull the Allies chesnuts from the fire? Of course not. But Germany certainly could have thrown more forces at the Russians if not for Normandy and Italy. In case you forgot, US forces liberated Rome just 2 days before DDay. In fact, at the time of the Normandy invasion, the Italian campaign tied up 26 German divisions that could have been otherwise used as reinforcements. Not pivotal? I'd have to disagree. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
The US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome. Clearly any good student of history knows that US losses in Europe during WWII were completely drawfed by those of Germany and Russian, but to claim that US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome of the war is utterly asinine. Do I believe the Hollywood myth that corn fed American farm boys singlehandedly swooped it to pull the Allies chestnuts from the fire? Of course not. But maybe June 6th 1944 rings a bell? Germany certainly could have thrown more forces at the Russians if not for Normandy and Italy. Indeed, when US forces liberated Rome just 2 days before D Day, the Italian campaign was tying up 26 German divisions that could have otherwise been used as reinforcements. Not pivotal? I beg to differ. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
Stephan, $1 per liter is $3.80 per gallon. Hakan At 10:22 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: Hello Robert, and all Living in Hawaii, I wish gas was THAT cheap.. we are currently paying almostt $3 per gallon for #2 diesel, and that's rising by the minute. So...like the responsible guy I'm trying to be I wrote to all the newspapers about oil palms (which would do well here), about 630 gal of oil per acre per year.what an opportunity for biodiesel, thus making Hawaii at least partly independent from the Oil companies and the shipping companies. But you know what, nobody came to investigate further, no lawmaker wants to go on the internet to see for themselves, it seems. The only thing I am worried I'll accomplish is some lawmaker here trying to make homebiodiesel making ILLEGAL (Have to have insurance, environmental impact study, Hawaii with its ocean and reefs etc, can't have people messing around with dangerous chemicals here.) In Maui they are making BD but on the Big Island where they are wondering what to do with the land of the former sugar plantations and where they are complaining about the absence of an energy master plan for the islands... no interest. 1 acre of oil palms = powering 1 small diesel car forever Period..(I guess that's why you called it Journey To Forever) There are a bunch of BD makers here and SVO users, but they are all keeping a pretty low profile, and I'm beginning to see, why. Well I'm hoping for a more upbeat message for next time, and maybe some of the local guys could contact me to talk about where we are heading. Greetings, Stephan (808 959 3528) Hello everyone! This morning, gasoline prices hit $1.00 per liter for regular. I've never seen it higher than this. Premium fuel, which I have to run in my truck, is generally 20 cents more per liter, so I DIDN'T fill my tank this morning. . . Oh, for ethanol! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Mother Earth News burners and biofuels
Hello Keith. It is good to read that spring is there again in that part of Japan. Around here on your the opposite part of the wolrd, in the midle of South America, last weekend we have a tipical start of the autum with rain and cold winds, temperatures dropping to 13o C but it recover againg during this week and we are using AC again with high humitiy and bugs like summer time. Aa... Sigh... I'm always aware of that, that in the *REAL* world (LOL!) where you can see the Southern Cross at night, where I was born and bred and where I truly belong, if anywhere, the seasons are the opposite to what I'm experiencing here in the north. In December I remember a Southern childhood with the blazing hot summer days of the long school holidays, and Christmas Day, always very hot, and there we were eating a massive tradiional feast of all these heavy foods of winter from the frozen North! And then going to the beach... But we loved it anyway, great food despite the weather. I am curious, the fruit trees blossoming... are those famost Sakura trees or Plum trees? Plums. We don't have any Sakura (beautiful!) but we have a couple of plums, they look very fine just now. We're quite near the top of a mountain valley, high on the left side looking up, and today I noticed seven plum trees blooming in the wild forests on the opposite slope. I wonder what they're doing there. Seeded by birds I suppose. Other trees are also blossoming, I have to investigate them. When we came here everything was overgrown after many years of neglect, we cleared it and pruned and trimmed in the winter (or rather a friend who works in temple gardens did most of it for us), so now we'll see them for the first time really when they get their leaves. Midori knows them all, or most of them, but I don't, yet. I remember having a party under an old Sakura during April in Tsukuba-shi, Ibaraki-ken. You've been here? That sounds good. Japan leaves you with good memories to cherish, doesn't it? I hope you are getting well. Yes thankyou, I'm much better, but it's a slow business. All best Juan, thanks. Keith Best Regards. Juan Pilar - Paraguay -Original Message - From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 07, 2005 11:03 AM For:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[Biofuel] Mother Earth News burners and biofuels Yesterday was the first real day of spring here, it was 20 deg C, sunny, insects flying everywhere and fruit trees blossoming... And I finally figured out how to keep our house warm in the winter. LOL! Well, we get there in the end. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
Airspace is controlled. The barnstorming open air biplane days are gone just like radio emissions without a license. There are places where the winds blow almost always, such as the continental divide in central Wyoming. They are even windier at altitude. The gyro field could be marked with strobes and a beacon. Also the gyros would probably not be at jetliner altitude and even if they were they could be no-fly zones just like a lot of areas already are. Kirk ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe this thing runs like a auto-gyro. Ya get it going in the wind and it just keeps going going going and as long as it's going it generates power. Now the question is how do ya keep planes from crashing into the power line??? Kirk McLoren wrote: Quite right Mike Kirk Michael Redler wrote: Hi Rick, I think it's a little like a kite (except, it's a propeller) and the twine is actually a power line. How's that Kirk? ...sound right? Mike - Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
as the price of 1l vs. price of 1 gal. goes. But I'm not proposing cutting down virgin forest in Hawaii (very little left) I'm talking about former sugarcane land along the Hamakua coast of the Big Island that's been fallow for years and has slowly come into use for diverse agriculture, (very little, actually). A lot of this land has been used to plant Eucalyptus, and, in another 10 years all these Eucalyptus trees will be cut down and shipped out to a foreign destination to be made into woodproducts, and Hawaii will be stuck with thousands of acres of treestumps and Eucalyptus leaf soil. Besides, these trees were supposedly manipulated so they wouldn't bloom and produce seed, but ...you guessed it, some of the trees are doing just that. The rest of the land in that region is in use as pasture and if you know Hawaii you will know that pasture land use is most detrimental for native plants and animals. The Hamakua land will not be native ecosystem ever again, unless the government wants it to be, and they have always said they wanted that but have always leased the land to the most destructive investors that have come along. So, after the Eucalyptus is gone, what's the plan for that land...There isn't any as far as I can tell. When you come to Hawaii and you bulldoze land (join the club, seems like everybody's doing that) -regardless of what grows on it, native or nonnative- what will spring up first will be highly invasive nonnative species, any native plants that even try to return will be hopelessly crowded out. I have spent much time in Hawaii Volcanoes Nat'l Park with the rangers working on eradication of nonnative gingers which are able to overrun acres of land in no time. Keeping native ecosystem native keeps many people busy here. New Zealand has a very similar situation, I think. That's roughly the picture here and the landgrab in Hawaii is a political reality, always will be, and whoever has the most money will be allowed to do with the land- whatever. So, yes, I have briefly thought about the land I live on. Greetings, Stephan Appal Energy wrote: Stephan, I think you have to honestly ask what agriculture and/or native flora and fauna on the islands would be displaced by instituting palm mono-culture for liquid fuel production. A safe bet is that many Hawaiians feel that their limitted acreage might be better served in ways other than usurping it for fuel production. This doesn't mean that farming for fuel has to be dropped as part of a solution. But the degree/severity of that option is possibly problematic due oddly enough to the unique environment - not that all environments aren't unique. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices Hello Robert, and all Living in Hawaii, I wish gas was THAT cheap.. we are currently paying almostt $3 per gallon for #2 diesel, and that's rising by the minute. So...like the responsible guy I'm trying to be I wrote to all the newspapers about oil palms (which would do well here), about 630 gal of oil per acre per year.what an opportunity for biodiesel, thus making Hawaii at least partly independent from the Oil companies and the shipping companies. But you know what, nobody came to investigate further, no lawmaker wants to go on the internet to see for themselves, it seems. The only thing I am worried I'll accomplish is some lawmaker here trying to make homebiodiesel making ILLEGAL (Have to have insurance, environmental impact study, Hawaii with its ocean and reefs etc, can't have people messing around with dangerous chemicals here.) In Maui they are making BD but on the Big Island where they are wondering what to do with the land of the former sugar plantations and where they are complaining about the absence of an energy master plan for the islands... no interest. 1 acre of oil palms = powering 1 small diesel car forever Period..(I guess that's why you called it Journey To Forever) There are a bunch of BD makers here and SVO users, but they are all keeping a pretty low profile, and I'm beginning to see, why. Well I'm hoping for a more upbeat message for next time, and maybe some of the local guys could contact me to talk about where we are heading. Greetings, Stephan (808 959 3528) Hello everyone! This morning, gasoline prices hit $1.00 per liter for regular. I've never seen it higher than this. Premium fuel, which I have to run in my truck, is generally 20 cents more per liter, so I DIDN'T fill my tank this morning. . . Oh, for ethanol! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
I think you have to honestly ask what agriculture and/or native flora and fauna on the islands would be displaced by instituting palm mono-culture for liquid fuel production. A safe bet is that many Hawaiians feel that their limitted acreage might be better served in ways other than usurping it for fuel production. This doesn't mean that farming for fuel has to be dropped as part of a solution. But the degree/severity of that option is possibly problematic due oddly enough to the unique environment - not that all environments aren't unique. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices Hello Robert, and all Living in Hawaii, I wish gas was THAT cheap.. we are currently paying almostt $3 per gallon for #2 diesel, and that's rising by the minute. So...like the responsible guy I'm trying to be I wrote to all the newspapers about oil palms (which would do well here), about 630 gal of oil per acre per year.what an opportunity for biodiesel, thus making Hawaii at least partly independent from the Oil companies and the shipping companies. But you know what, nobody came to investigate further, no lawmaker wants to go on the internet to see for themselves, it seems. The only thing I am worried I'll accomplish is some lawmaker here trying to make homebiodiesel making ILLEGAL (Have to have insurance, environmental impact study, Hawaii with its ocean and reefs etc, can't have people messing around with dangerous chemicals here.) In Maui they are making BD but on the Big Island where they are wondering what to do with the land of the former sugar plantations and where they are complaining about the absence of an energy master plan for the islands... no interest. 1 acre of oil palms = powering 1 small diesel car forever Period..(I guess that's why you called it Journey To Forever) There are a bunch of BD makers here and SVO users, but they are all keeping a pretty low profile, and I'm beginning to see, why. Well I'm hoping for a more upbeat message for next time, and maybe some of the local guys could contact me to talk about where we are heading. Greetings, Stephan (808 959 3528) Hello everyone! This morning, gasoline prices hit $1.00 per liter for regular. I've never seen it higher than this. Premium fuel, which I have to run in my truck, is generally 20 cents more per liter, so I DIDN'T fill my tank this morning. . . Oh, for ethanol! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
