Attachments - was Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please
Mark Klein wrote: It is Ethanol made from sweet sorghum. Ssorghum. Why do we need Sorganol®? Sorganol® is the BEST Alternative Fuel Crop In the Continental United States to Grow For the production of Alcohol snip Thankyou. However the list is set to reject attachments and html code, I don't know why this one slipped through. Also it was 131kb long, which is a hell of a lot of wasted bandwidth when sent to the entire list membership. Please don't send attachments, and PLEASE set your emailer default to PLAIN TEXT or ASCII, NOT html-coded (Outlook Express, GRRR!!). If you really want to send photographs or something please contact me direct offlist first and I'll see what can be arranged. Thankyou Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Willow Tree Research
Hello To All, Does anyone remember a willow tree farm renewable energy research project post? If yes, could you please re-post. I can't seem to find it in the archives. Thanks, Tony Marzolino __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] ethanol ranch brewed
Thanks Mark That's an interesting idea and I am pleased people are thinking about ways to makes ethanol out of crops. I always wondered where molasses came from. I live in Northern New Mexico and I am afraid that our growing season is too short for most crops. I do want to try on a small scale next season planting sugar beets. I hear they are relatively easy to ferment. I want to get into this fermenting process as soon as possible to get experience under my belt. In fact I also joined a home brew beer group to gather what I can from a drinkable fuel (alcohol)point of view. As I said my main goal will be to ferment wood waste products because that is what we have in abundance around us here in New Mexico. My family is fortunate to live on a ranch on which we should be capable of farming at least twenty acres in some type of fermentable crops. Most of our acreage is forests and non irrigated pasture. I had a bit of trouble reading the email from Mark because my screen size/resolution is set low for my daily newsletter. But I did notice that the researcher, Irwin C Anderson was also using sulphuric acid in the sorganol process. This is similar to the process used for wood fiber (cellulose.) Ethanol from cellulose, http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#cellulose Thanks for all the information Brian Rodgers Brian's Nell's computer scanned this baby no viruses were found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please
Thanks for the note Manick. It sounds like you have "been there done that" with cellulose to sugar to ethanol. Every technological term in you letter sends me off looking up meanings. Thank goodness for Google SO3 Sulphur Trioxide, my search found that this can be a byproduct of coal powered energy plants. I am not sure how this fits into the equation yet but I almost always need to sleep on it to get the big picture. I don't suppose you could enlighten us? Are we attempting to break out the sugar with SO3? Similar to what the Sulphuric Acid bath does to the sawdust? My Dad is a retired chemist, his specialty back in the fifties sixties when it was still fashionable was coal tar products and creosote. It is interesting that you note that a by product of this idea of yours is creosote. Unfortunately for us, my Dad just turned 87 years old on Friday and it has been quite a while since he has done research and chemistry. Just the same I will run your idea by him and see if any lights come on. By the way, Dad wrote a letter to University New Mexico where he is Alumni and asked if they are working on this wood waste as a biomass problem. He told me they did write back but I dont have any details yet. Brian Rodgers Manick Harris wrote: I used sawdust from Malaysian hardwoods like Meranti. I think any cellulosic material will do. One report states concentrated sulphuric acid and sawdust can also be milled together ( try !:1 ratio initially) into glucose at room temperature, ie 25C. This could be attempted with 2 roll mill set very close together,say 0.02mm. If this works how about gassing sawdust with SO3 ( ex gypsum) under pressure in a vessel? The residue I got was dark lignin which could be broken down into creosote for protection against termites and rubber filler giving excellent damping or energy absorption beit mechanical or electromagnetic as in radar shielding. Just a thought: we could proof planes this way to escape enemy radar. Excuse me if my thoughts go astray but it seems viable to pursue direct hydrolysis of biomass. Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is very cool. I have seen this process somewhere. H2SO4, that is Sulphuric Acid right? I have a friend with a small sawmill and a 2000 gallon tank sitting idle, he is going to use it for rainwater collection. I asked him if he ever fermented sawdust. He said, It composts pretty well when we get a little rain. He was keen on the idea of trying, but shied away from the idea of putting Sulphuric acid in the tank to shock the glucose. I told him we would wash it out real quick, LOL. So yeah I am hoping that another way to break down the cellulose has been developed. I have heard of enzymes and mushroom spoor but nothing very miraculous yet, Hoping rather naively Im afraid. Brian Rodgers P.S. What type of wood did you use? I understand it makes a difference. We have mainly Ponderosa Pine Trees. Manick Harris wrote: I did this in the 80s as an one-time expt. Boiled sawdust in 30% H2SO4 for 3h, neutralised with lime, filtered and fermented the sugar with yeast into alcohol which was recovered by distillation. Reckon sawdust/biomass waste can be obtained at v.low cost. Cost of H2SO4 can be offset by value of CaSO4,gypsum, which is a saleable commodity. Yet no takers anywhere currently, despite rising petrol prices. Sad really because we are inhibited society really. Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new here, but this certainly looks like the place to be. I my opinion looking at ethanol strictly from a BTU to create over BTU available leaves out too many important variables. Even if with Ethanols numbers looking dismally uneconomical to many people who I will call naysayers the clincher for me is ethanol comes from a renewable resource corn. If we can figure out a way to break down the cellulose in wood waste forests products we would really have something. Dont get me wrong I want to help the American farmers but I live in the forests of the South-West USA and we have a real problem with small diameter trees choking the forests and creating a fire hazard. The solution becomes, two birds with one stone, economically speaking. The trees have to be removed and are anyway but they are being chipped and left in most places. Lets do some real research on fomenting wood fibers. Brian Rodgers New Mexico Brian's Nell's computer scanned this baby no viruses were found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: [COMFOOD:] cover story - think global, eat local
Not sure which magazine though ... Keith From: Anna Lappé [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Community Food Security Coalition' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:11:26 -0500 Subject: [COMFOOD:] cover story - think global, eat local Think Global, Eat Local · The sustainable food movement that began with Berkeley chef Alice Waters has blossomed in Portland, Ore. Are its proponents just dreaming? Or is a real revolution underway? By Jim Robbins, Jim Robbins is a freelance writer based in Helena, Mont. He last wrote for the magazine about Butte, Mont. Greg Higgins, chef and owner of the tony downtown Portland restaurant Higgins, walks to the back of his bustling kitchen and opens a door into the heart of the latest environmental movement. The walk-in refrigerator is crammed with sides of beef covered with blankets of fat, glassy-eyed fish, rows of restaurant-made sausage and ham, trays of fresh vegetables in plastic tubs and assorted comestibles, nearly all of it originating within 100 miles of here, in what Higgins calls the Portland foodshed. Virtually every item is brought in and dropped off by the farmer who raised it. There's nothing more threatened than the American farmer, says the tall, burly Higgins a little later, as he swirls and sips a glass of Oregon white wine. The goal is to keep them in business. A personal connection between a restaurant chef and the people who grow his beef or broccoli rabe might not sound radical, but it's a major element of a burgeoning movement. It's called sustainable food-a chain of supply and demand that theoretically could continue in perpetuity. A shorter food chain cuts down on oil consumption, puts money in the pockets of disappearing farmers, is more humane, helps protect soil and water and, best of all, usually delivers food that tastes better. Alice Waters of Chez Panisse in Berkeley is credited with starting the movement in the U.S. Now, from the ivy-covered dorms at Yale to the public schools at Berkeley to the grocery stores, white-tablecloth restaurants and fast-food joints of Portland, a grass-roots movement is sprouting that emphasizes food with a local pedigree. That this kind of relationship is even news is an indication of how crazy the food production and distribution system has become. Brian Halweil of the Worldwatch Institute, an environmental research organization, estimates that just 1% or 2% of America's food is locally grown. He thinks the locally grown share could easily reach 40% or 50%, and there's no reason why we couldn't grow all of our food. The produce in the average American dinner is trucked about 1,500 miles to get to the plate, according to a 2001 study by the Leopold Center for Sustainable Agriculture at Iowa State University, up an estimated 22% during the past two decades. And growing food is no longer an artisanal process, but a commodity. Large food producers focus on supplying products as cheaply as possible, and consumers are waking up to the fact that something's wrong. Things are getting weird out there in Hooterville: cloned cattle and sheep, genetically modified Frankenfoods, schools of pen-raised and chemically dyed salmon, E. coli in beef, mercury and PCBs in fish, chickens crammed into cages the size of a sheet of paper, and giant hog farms that pollute watersheds and raise a stink for miles. Acres of topsoil get washed away by large-scale farming and pesticides wind up in human breast milk. Small farm and ranch families are disappearing, while large corporate farms reap huge federal subsidies, sometimes for growing nothing. Peter de Garmo is the owner of Pastaworks, a sustainable grocery store in Portland, and the founder of the Portland chapter of Slow Food, a group that seeks sustainability in food. Large-scale farming comes at an incredible cost, he says. It's subsidized by the public at large without the public knowing it subsidizes it. Some consumers are rebelling against the global marketplace and seeking out food whose history is known and friendly. While there are alternatives to mainstream food-organic, biodynamic, fair trade and others-the idea of a sustainable food system is generating the most interest. The granola-and-Birkenstock types aren't the only ones behind the movement. The rock-rib Republican governor of South Dakota, Mike Rounds, supports a state program that requires animals to be tracked from birth, fed high-quality feed, treated humanely and otherwise remain well-cared for, under penalty of felony charges. Sustainable food is served in the restaurants of Yellowstone, Yosemite and other national parks. In Italy last year, 4,300 small farmers, chefs and other small-scale producers from around the world gathered for a conference called Terra Madre, or Mother Earth, to consider alternatives to the present food supply system. Sustainable food is growing beyond the culinary fringe, says Worldwatch's Halweil, who
[Biofuel] Willow Tree Research
Hello Tony Hello To All, Does anyone remember a willow tree farm renewable energy research project post? If yes, could you please re-post. I can't seem to find it in the archives. Thanks, Tony Marzolino Might it be among these? http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortc onfig=biofuel_sustainablelists_orgrestrict=exclude=words=willow Search results for 'willow' or: http://snipurl.com/gmi1 Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Attachments re: ethanol from Sorghum
on 7/30/05 7:03 PM, Mark Klein at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some text that barely came across + some pictures that froze up my (2-wire) connection for about ten minutes. Please respect bandwidth limitations and post your pictures to a website for those with the interest and connection speed. Thanks, -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Willow Tree Research
http://www.esf.edu/willow/ Keith Addison wrote: Hello Tony Hello To All, Does anyone remember a willow tree farm renewable energy research project post? If yes, could you please re-post. I can't seem to find it in the archives. Thanks, Tony Marzolino Might it be among these? http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortc onfig=biofuel_sustainablelists_orgrestrict=exclude=words=willow Search results for 'willow' or: http://snipurl.com/gmi1 Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Savonius Super Rotor
The pronunciation I have always heard is "Sah-von-ee-us" Regards, Bob A. - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Savonius Super Rotor "Savonius Super Rotor" I've seen these around but, never knew what they were called. So, is it pronounced Sav-own-e-us or Sav-on-e-us? MikeKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.motherearthnews.com/top_articles/1974_March_April/The_Savon ius_Super_RotorThe Savonius Super Rotor, by Michael Hackleman, Mother Earth News, Issue # 26 - March/April 1974___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bio-Fuels in Philippines
Greetings from the large island of Mindanao, in the sunny, (mostly), Philippines. I have enjoyed immensely the good inputs of the serious people. Well, not too serious at times. I am presently attempting to make a still for ethanol and also trying my first attempt at bio-diesel as I have a diesel truck here. I am trying to find the Jatropha Cucas plant there (Tuba-Tuba), that produces oil. I noticed one of the list members lives in Manila, and was wondering if there are any others in the islands here. I have a great desire to help my friends and neighbors and the poor farmers to make it in life and believe Bio-Diesel is a good start. I would like to correspond directly with anyone in the Philippines actually doing anything with bio-fuels so that I might get a better handle on what I am doing. I see a good future for the small farmer here, if we can give them something more to grow that is easy to grow and provides fuel for the economy. I appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks, Jim Marvel Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited. God must Love you better than us RED NECKS. Oh, that's right, you don't believe In GOD We Trust. I second that emotion...Proud to be a liberal from a BLUE STATEDB with BD - Original Message - From: malcolm maclure To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country I couldnt resist posting this. Malcolm NEW CALIFORNIA BLUE STATES NATION!Dear Red States We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking theother Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington,Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay. We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs.You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti- war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparentlywilling to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent ofthe country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent ofall cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,Clemson and the University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals than we lefties.By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico. Sincerely,Author Unknown in New California. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please compliment
Hi Brian, You are fortunate to have walking encyclopedia in your dad. Nurture him well.Yes pressurised SO3 being a gas would mix better than LIQUID, without heavy milling machine.It is just a suggestion. Thanks very much for "been there done that" compliment. It will keep me going in good spirit. I have prepared creosote and wood tars as rubber plasticizers, giving excellent energy damping properties. This I did by cooking by slow pyrolysis of the wood up to 500C in a drum fitted with condenser. Products: charcoal(30%), tar(7%), acetic acid (6%),methanol (1.5%), wood gas ( 25%), the rest being water. The tar dissoles in caustic soda NaOH and is easily applied to woodfor protection against termites.Acetic acid can be recovered from water phase byproper solvent and distllation. Methanol is easily separated from water phase by fractional ditillation. It is like ethanol in properties and could be used as auto fuel. Although I worked with Malaysian hardwoods there is plenty of similar data/literature on softwoods like pine.I think you can definitely put these ideas to work Brian. Good luck!Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the note Manick.It sounds like you have "been there done that" with cellulose to sugar to ethanol.Every technological term in you letter sends me off looking up meanings.Thank goodness for GoogleSO3 Sulphur Trioxide, my search found that this can be a byproduct of coal powered energy plants. I am not sure how this fits into the equation yet but I almost always need to sleep on it to get the big picture. I don't suppose you could enlighten us? Are we attempting to break out the sugar with SO3? Similar to what the Sulphuric Acid bath does to the sawdust? My Dad is a retired chemist, his specialty back in the fifties sixties when it was still fashionable was coal tar products and creosote. It is interesting that you note that a by product of this idea of yours is creosote. Unfortunately for us, my Dad just turned 87 years old on Friday and it has been quite a while since he has done research and chemistry. Just the same I will run your idea by him and see if any lights come on. By the way, Dad wrote a letter to University New Mexico where he is Alumni and asked if they are working on this wood waste as a biomass problem. He told me they did write back but I dont have any details yet. Brian Rodgers Manick Harris wrote:I used sawdust from Malaysian hardwoods like Meranti. I think any cellulosic material will do. One report states concentrated sulphuric acid and sawdust can also be milled together ( try !:1 ratio initially) into glucose at room temperature, ie 25C. This could be attempted with 2 roll mill set very close together,say 0.02mm. If this works how about gassing sawdust with SO3 ( ex gypsum) under pressure in a vessel? The residue I got was dark lignin which could be broken down into creosote for protection against termites and rubber filler giving excellent damping or energy absorption beit mechanical or electromagnetic as in radar shielding. Just a thought: we could proof planes this way to escape enemy radar. Excuse me if my thoughts go astray but it seems viable to pursue direct hydrolysis of biomass. Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is very cool. I have seen this process somewhere. H2SO4, that is Sulphuric Acid right? I have a friend with a small sawmill and a 2000 gallon tank sitting idle, he is going to use it for rainwater collection. I asked him if he ever fermented sawdust. He said, It composts pretty well when we get a little rain. He was keen on the idea of trying, but shied away from the idea of putting Sulphuric acid in the tank to shock the glucose. I told him we would wash it out real quick, LOL. So yeah I am hoping that another way to break down the cellulose has been developed. I have heard of enzymes and mushroom spoor but nothing very miraculous yet, Hoping rather naively Im afraid. Brian Rodgers P.S. What type of wood did you use? I understand it makes a difference. We have mainly Ponderosa Pine Trees. Manick Harris wrote: I did this in the 80s as an one-time expt. Boiled sawdust in 30% H2SO4 for 3h, neutralised with lime, filtered and fermented the sugar with yeast into alcohol which was recovered by distillation. Reckon sawdust/biomass waste can be obtained at v.low cost. Cost of H2SO4 can be offset by value of CaSO4,gypsum, which is a saleable commodity. Yet no takers anywhere currently, despite rising petrol prices. Sad really because we are inhibited society really. Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new here, but this certainly looks like the place to be. I my opinion looking at ethanol strictly from a BTU to create over BTU available leaves out too many important variables. Even if with Ethanols numbers looking dismally uneconomical to many people who I will call naysayers the clincher for me is ethanol comes from a renewable resource corn. If we can figure out a way to break down the cellulose in wood waste
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Ya know I still have to run across evidence that the Redneck faithful any less cafeteria Christians, Jews and Muslims than the faithful residing in the blue states are. Doug, N0LKK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited. God must Love you better than us RED NECKS. Oh, that's right, you don't believe In GOD We Trust. I second that emotion...Proud to be a liberal from a BLUE STATEDB with BD ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
