Re: [Biofuel] Constant Gardener; The best film in years, exposes western crimes in africa
Hello Joe Thanks, but... Hi Keith; If you thought that was a film worth seeing I didn't see it. you should also check out the film Darwin's Nightmare which documents the story of the introduction of the Nile Perch to Lake Victoria and how remote slavery works for europeans while they enjoy cheap fish and try not to know about how weapons trickle in to Africa in the bargain. Not exactly a trickle. The main flood seems to have shifted to Southeast Asia now, but there's plenty left for Africa's needs. In short supply for some apparently: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece Independent Online Edition Americas US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed By Andrew Buncombe in Washington Published: 25 September 2005 The mind boggles. Bullets can't stop it, rockets can't stop it, we might have to use NUKULAR FORZ! Aarghh! This is how our leaders and their institutions see the priorities, as opposed to how people and their communities see them: 1998 Global priorities in spending in 1998 Global Priority $U.S. Billions Basic education for everyone in the world 6 Cosmetics in the United States 8 Water and sanitation for everyone in the world 9 Ice cream in Europe 11 Reproductive health for all women in the world 12 Perfumes in Europe and the United States12 Basic health and nutrition for everyone in the world13 Pet foods in Europe and the United States 17 Business entertainmentin Japan 35 Cigarettes in Europe50 Alcoholic drinks in Europe 105 Narcotics drugs in the world400 Military spending in the world 780 Number of children in the world 2.2 billion Number in poverty 1 billion (every second child) http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51848.html [Biofuel] Inequality in wealth Inequality in wealth: Just 0.13% of the world population controlled nearly 25% of world financial assets in 2004 :-( Dinosaurs. Mammoths. How to kill a mammoth: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg30628.html [biofuel] Mammoth corporations In a parallel thread the human flesh trade is exposed and how the catholic church turns a blind eye and encourages the spread of HIV. A hard film to watch but again one everyone should see. Joe Keith Addison wrote: I didn't, Thomas Mountain did. I have not seen the film and have not commented on it. I posted a news item on a similar subject, that's all. PLEASE be more careful in attributing posts to those who posted them! Thanks Keith My wife and I saw the film Constant Gardener last night and would highly recommend it to all citizens of the world. The film, starring Ralph Fiennes, is based on the Le Carre book of the same name, and is about how the western drug companies use Africa as a testing ground for their experimental drugs, and cause death and suffering in the process when toxic side effects to their imperfect formulas start killing people. The best part of the whole film is that it showed just how ruthless and murderous the drug companies were in protecting their multi million dollar investments and didnt try to have a happy ending. The film showed how the highest levels of western government know of these crimes and are complicit in the cover up. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax
On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 09:43 PM, Appal Energy wrote: snip Well, with a little bit 'a luck and if you work at it a bit, you just might get your county commissioners, town council and mayor to lobby the military to let your area and neighbors to be ground zero for testing such delivery systems and vaccines. Think how large of a favor you and yours would be doing for the rest of humanity. Todd Swearingen LOL! First post i read this morning, nice to start the day with a smile. Todd, gotta tell ya, you have found your real vocation on this list. I'm glad i haven't yet been the target of your scathing humor delivery system. No vaccine available, no rock to crawl under, nowhere to hide! Thanks for all the great posts over the years. andres ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery
So far is hasn't gotten brittle and broken - it just gets harder and becomes cloudy. Derick Giorchino wrote: I haven't had that problem yet. I also use clear poly fiber reinforced hose and it seems to get soft instead maybe there is a combination of both the nylon and the poly so it wouldn't get hard or soft. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:21 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery I've used nylon too - it seems to work ok but hardens up after a while. Derick Giorchino wrote: I have been using nylon tubing for lots of stuff it seems to take a lickin with no ill effects. You just need to keep it from extreme heat. But I have found it will take full vacuum and burst pressure at 100 deg f is over 150 psi. good luck Derick. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
In the US COOPS can make BD and provide it to their members. What they can't do is sell it to the public. If you get your intended market to join your coop you should be ok. Be aware there are tax implications at both the state and federal level. -Mike Ramon wrote: Hi Chris, Is this true that Coops are not allowed to make their own biodiesel? This sounds unreasonable. I guess this is just big oil, big biodiesel, and the politicians and bureaucrats way of making sure that their profits are secured. That's rather depressing news for me since my idea was to help coops learn the technology, hoping that if enough coops throughout the islands begin making their own fuel it would free many communities from the stranglehold that Big Oil and government. My dream is to have a small biodiesel making plant with the goal of transfering the technology to other similarly-inclined people. Sort of like these people: Perhaps what this restriction is saying is that groups of people (Coops) cannot make and SELL their biodiesel, using the excuse that their product would not be up to standard. But does this mean that, for instance, a group of jeepney drivers cannot make biodiesel for their own consumption? How can the government justify such a thing? Best regards, Mon PS - What I hope for is something similar to http://www.greaseworks.org/ http://www.greaseworks.org/mission We are a group of environmentally conscious biologists, students, working human beings, lawyers, farmers, professors and small business owners, who are committed to supporting renewable, domestically produced, vegetable-based alternative fuels. We adhere to the philosophy of leading by example, and thus use biodiesel and SVO in our personal vehicles. If change is to come, we, as individuals, must change. We have a vision of a world where the most important facet of any decision is the health of the Earth and the health of its inhabitants--both human and non-human alike. It is our belief that renewable energy and appropriate technology will, in the years to come, be the modus operandi of our western culture--not so much out of desire as necessity. The unifying thread of our Co-op is sustainability, and to those ends we stare boldly into the future and offer a viable alternative to petroleum. On 9/23/05, *Chris Tan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Patrick, It's not that the government is not strict about standards. The government doesn't have a standard in the first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel for example, I tried contacting DoE about our government's standard but have not receive any concrete answer. And yet Senbel other two big chemical companies are already marketing their expensive biodiesel additive. They are dictated by big business or by the highest bidder. A pamphlet posted on DoE's website says that biodiesel cannot be made by cooperatives or such. Guess who they got the pamphlet from? From who else but Senbel. Regards, Chris -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Anthony Opaco *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi All, Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at the hands of the law. Probably I'll continue using E10 at my old car and will just fill my new car if the masses here would start patronizing E10, coz most of the time the gas station that I bought E10 doesn't have that much customers compared to the gas stations of Shell, Caltex (Chevron Texaco in the US) and Petron (a local venture that has a saudi partner). It's good to know that a lot of people around the world are using E10/E85, it's just that the standards here in the Philippines are not that strict. Like for example when you manufacture Ethanol, you guys there in the commercial level applies strict standards to ensure that the product you're selling is really good right? Here in the Philippines doesn't go that way. The issue I think here is more of the consumers confidence towards Ethanol because as I've said the standards here
[Biofuel] To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/27/business/27econ-new.html?th=emc=th; pagewanted=print New York Times September 27, 2005 To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving By DAVID LEONHARDT, JAD MOUAWAD and DAVID E. SANGER With fears mounting that high energy costs will crimp economic growth, President Bush called on Americans yesterday to conserve gasoline by driving less. He also issued a directive for all federal agencies to cut their own energy use and to encourage employees to use public transportation. We can all pitch in, Mr. Bush said. People just need to recognize that the storms have caused disruption, he added, and that if Americans are able to avoid going on a trip that's not essential, that would be helpful. Mr. Bush promised to dip further into the government's petroleum reserve, if necessary, and to continue relaxing environmental and transportation rules in an effort to get more gasoline flowing. On Capitol Hill, senior Republicans called for new legislation that they said would lower energy costs by increasing supply and expanding oil refining capacity over the long run. Even though Hurricane Rita caused much less damage to the oil industry than feared, the two recent hurricanes have disrupted production in the Gulf of Mexico enough to ensure that Americans are facing a winter of sharply higher energy costs. The price of natural gas, which most families use to heat their homes, has climbed even more than the price of gasoline recently. Households are on pace to spend an average of $4,500 on energy this year, up about $500 from last year and $900 more than in 2003, according to Global Insight, a research firm. Mr. Bush's comments, while similar to remarks he made shortly after the disruption from Hurricane Katrina pushed gasoline prices sharply higher, were particularly notable because the administration has long emphasized new production over conservation. It has also opted not to impose higher mileage standards on automakers. In 2001, Vice President Dick Cheney said, Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it cannot be the basis of a sound energy policy. Also that year, Ari Fleischer, then Mr. Bush's press secretary, responded to a question about reducing American energy consumption by saying that's a big no. The president believes that it's an American way of life, Mr. Fleischer said. Mr. Bush, speaking yesterday after he was briefed at the Energy Department, did not use the dour tone or cardigan-wearing imagery that proved politically deadly for Jimmy Carter during the oil crisis of the 1970's. Nor did Mr. Bush propose new policies to encourage conservation. But he was more explicit than in the past that Americans should cut back. Oil companies spent much of yesterday assessing the damage from Hurricane Rita, which seemed to spare many oil and gas facilities. Still, the gulf's entire oil output and about four-fifths of its natural gas production remained shut yesterday, less than a month after Katrina left the industry stretched thin. The Gulf of Mexico produces about 7 percent of the oil consumed in the United States and provides 16 percent of the nation's natural gas. About half of the 16 refineries that were forced to shut by Hurricane Rita have said they plan to restart production soon. But delays in refining pushed the average price of gasoline up again for the first time since Labor Day, to $2.80 a gallon for regular gasoline, according to AAA. Crude oil prices also rose yesterday on the New York Mercantile Exchange, closing up 2.5 percent, to $65.82 a barrel. Natural gas futures rose 12 cents, to $12.44 a thousand cubic feet. We've been in a chronic situation here where supplies have not really caught up with demand, said Dave Costello, an analyst at the Energy Information Administration. In response to higher energy costs, households are likely to spend less on restaurant meals, clothing and other items. That would slow economic growth in coming months, but economists predicted that other forces - like a continuing housing boom and rising corporate investments in factories and equipment - would keep the economy growing. I don't think we're talking about a recession or a near recession, said Joshua Shapiro, the chief United States economist at MFR, a research company in New York. I think we're talking about growth that is slower than people expected. Households are now spending about $550 billion a year on energy, up by about $150 billion since the start of last year, according to Global Insight. Over the course of an entire year, the increase would be equal to almost 2 percent of overall consumer spending. Energy costs are likely to be a particular burden on low- and middle-income households, whose income growth has barely matched inflation over the last few years. Wealthier households have done better, government data show, and have helped keep economic growth healthy with spending on
Re: [Biofuel] To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving
I'm shocked. I thought the American Way of Life was not negotiable. Mr. Bush is clearly not considering the impact of having to conserve gas will have on my lifestyle. Who is he to say I shouldn't drive my Cadillac Escalade to buy a newspaper? Keith Addison wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/27/business/27econ-new.html?th=emc=th; pagewanted=print New York Times September 27, 2005 To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving By DAVID LEONHARDT, JAD MOUAWAD and DAVID E. SANGER With fears mounting that high energy costs will crimp economic growth, President Bush called on Americans yesterday to conserve gasoline by driving less. He also issued a directive for all federal agencies to cut their own energy use and to encourage employees to use public transportation. We can all pitch in, Mr. Bush said. People just need to recognize that the storms have caused disruption, he added, and that if Americans are able to avoid going on a trip that's not essential, that would be helpful. Mr. Bush promised to dip further into the government's petroleum reserve, if necessary, and to continue relaxing environmental and transportation rules in an effort to get more gasoline flowing. On Capitol Hill, senior Republicans called for new legislation that they said would lower energy costs by increasing supply and expanding oil refining capacity over the long run. Even though Hurricane Rita caused much less damage to the oil industry than feared, the two recent hurricanes have disrupted production in the Gulf of Mexico enough to ensure that Americans are facing a winter of sharply higher energy costs. The price of natural gas, which most families use to heat their homes, has climbed even more than the price of gasoline recently. Households are on pace to spend an average of $4,500 on energy this year, up about $500 from last year and $900 more than in 2003, according to Global Insight, a research firm. Mr. Bush's comments, while similar to remarks he made shortly after the disruption from Hurricane Katrina pushed gasoline prices sharply higher, were particularly notable because the administration has long emphasized new production over conservation. It has also opted not to impose higher mileage standards on automakers. In 2001, Vice President Dick Cheney said, Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it cannot be the basis of a sound energy policy. Also that year, Ari Fleischer, then Mr. Bush's press secretary, responded to a question about reducing American energy consumption by saying that's a big no. The president believes that it's an American way of life, Mr. Fleischer said. Mr. Bush, speaking yesterday after he was briefed at the Energy Department, did not use the dour tone or cardigan-wearing imagery that proved politically deadly for Jimmy Carter during the oil crisis of the 1970's. Nor did Mr. Bush propose new policies to encourage conservation. But he was more explicit than in the past that Americans should cut back. Oil companies spent much of yesterday assessing the damage from Hurricane Rita, which seemed to spare many oil and gas facilities. Still, the gulf's entire oil output and about four-fifths of its natural gas production remained shut yesterday, less than a month after Katrina left the industry stretched thin. The Gulf of Mexico produces about 7 percent of the oil consumed in the United States and provides 16 percent of the nation's natural gas. About half of the 16 refineries that were forced to shut by Hurricane Rita have said they plan to restart production soon. But delays in refining pushed the average price of gasoline up again for the first time since Labor Day, to $2.80 a gallon for regular gasoline, according to AAA. Crude oil prices also rose yesterday on the New York Mercantile Exchange, closing up 2.5 percent, to $65.82 a barrel. Natural gas futures rose 12 cents, to $12.44 a thousand cubic feet. We've been in a chronic situation here where supplies have not really caught up with demand, said Dave Costello, an analyst at the Energy Information Administration. In response to higher energy costs, households are likely to spend less on restaurant meals, clothing and other items. That would slow economic growth in coming months, but economists predicted that other forces - like a continuing housing boom and rising corporate investments in factories and equipment - would keep the economy growing. I don't think we're talking about a recession or a near recession, said Joshua Shapiro, the chief United States economist at MFR, a research company in New York. I think we're talking about growth that is slower than people expected. Households are now spending about $550 billion a year on energy, up by about $150 billion since the start of last year, according to Global Insight. Over the course of an entire year, the increase would be equal to almost 2 percent of overall consumer spending. Energy costs are
[Biofuel] Greenpeace: EU ready to lead the way to a clean energy future
http://www.ems.org/nws/2005/09/27/greenpeace_eu_re http://eu.greenpeace.org/downloads/energy/2050scenario050927.pdf Source: Greenpeace International Posted by: Greenpeace International - archive Posted on: Sep 27, 2005 @ 5:09 am Greenpeace: EU ready to lead the way to a clean energy future Strasbourg / Brussels, 27 September 2005 -. The 'Greenpeace Energy Revolution Scenario'(1), launched today by Greenpeace, shows that Europe can phase out nuclear power and, at the same time, reduce its carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by 30 per cent by 2020 to avoid catastrophic climate change. The electricity sector in the 25 European Union nations is still dominated by large centralised power plants using fossil and nuclear fuels. As much as 80% of Europe's primary energy supply still comes from fossil fuels. The 'Greenpeace Energy Revolution Scenario' shows that half of Europe's energy demand could switch to renewable energy sources and CO2 emissions could be reduced by nearly 75% by 2050. It also shows that, if the EU fails to reform its energy sector however, CO2 emissions will increase by almost 50% by 2050. This blueprint maps out how to build a future based on clean, renewable energy sources, independent of imported fossil and nuclear fuels. This will not only protect the climate, it will insulate national economies from the fluctuations of the global markets for fossil and nuclear fuels, benefit the economy and provide secure access to energy for future generations. In the short term, it could also create 700,000 jobs by 2010. Half of Europe's total energy demand could be covered from renewable energy sources by the year 2050, said Sven Teske, Greenpeace International energy expert. The pathway to a clean energy future requires European governments to: * set legally binding targets for the use of renewable energy for power, heat and transport * implement a balanced and timely mobilisation of clean technologies, which will depend on technical potentials, actual costs and cost reduction potentials (2). * give renewable energy guaranteed and priority access to the grid * shift their investment away from fossil and nuclear fuels, starting by eliminating direct and indirect subsidies to fossil fuels and nuclear power, which would save taxpayers' money (3). There is no quick fix when it comes to the power sector - investments and solutions are long-term. Renewable energies have slightly higher costs now, but most of them will be cheaper in less than 15 years. It is also clear that these results can only be achieved in time, if we start this drastic shift in the power sector without any delay, said Teske. The 'Greenpeace Energy Revolution Scenario' can only be achieved if concrete and ambitious action is taken in energy efficiency measures. The exploitation of existing energy efficiency potentials such as the insulation of houses, the use of waste-heat from power plants for district heating instead of discharging it via cooling towers and the efficient use of electricity could reduce the current primary energy demand by more than one third (36%) till 2050. We don't have to freeze in the dark, we just have to use the produced energy as efficient and intelligent as possible, added Teske. According to the Greenpeace blueprint, the electricity sector will continue to be the forerunner of renewable energy: In 2050, more than 70% of the electricity is to be produced from renewable energy sources, followed by renewables in the heating sector, which will produce more than half of the needed energy. Greenpeace is an independent campaigning organisation that uses non-violent, creative confrontation to expose global environmental problems and to force solutions that are essential to a green and peaceful future. For more information please contact: Sven Teske, Greenpeace International energy campaigner, +31 6 212 96 894 Katharine Mill, Greenpeace European Unit media officer, +32 496 156229 Notes to the editor: (1). Developed by the Institute of Technical Thermodynamics of the German Aerospace Centre 'Energy Revolution: a sustainable pathway to a clean energy future for Europe' is available at: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/press/reports/energy-revolutio n-a-sustainab (2). Without considering the costs for CO2 emissions, the Energy Revolution Scenario will have additional costs for electricity supply to a maximum of 6 billion ?/a in 2020 - for all 25 European countries. These additional costs, which represent society's investment in a future environmentally benign, safe, and economic energy supply, continue to decrease after 2020, and by 2050 the annual costs of electricity supply will be 10 billion ?/a below the electricity supply costs in the business as usual scenario. (3). In 2004, the European Environment Agency estimated that energy subsidies in the EU 15 for solid, oil and gas amounted to more than 23.9 billion and for renewable energy to 5.3
Re: [Biofuel] Constant Gardener; The best film in years, exposes western crimes in africa
Sorry about the confusion Keith and Thomas; I don't know how I did that because I remember checking before I typed my message to try to be sure who posted the comment on the movie. Since I have seen the admonishment from you a few times and recieved one myself I guess that is a sore point with you. I do try to be careful in replies to attribute snips to the right person but obviously I missed something despite my effort! Anyways I wanted to recommend the movie Darwin's Nightmare not only to Thomas Mountain but to the membership at large. Movies like hold the promise of changing things in this world if they could reach a broad audience. The problem is many do not want to hear about it. Obviously discussing it on this forum is like preaching to the choir but I thought I would put it out there in case anyone had not heard of the film. I guess my message achieved that aim despite my mis-reference. Joe Keith Addison wrote: Hello Joe Thanks, but... Hi Keith; If you thought that was a film worth seeing I didn't see it. you should also check out the film Darwin's Nightmare which documents the story of the introduction of the Nile Perch to Lake Victoria and how remote slavery works for europeans while they enjoy cheap fish and try not to know about how weapons trickle in to Africa in the bargain. Not exactly a trickle. The main flood seems to have shifted to Southeast Asia now, but there's plenty left for Africa's "needs". In short supply for some apparently: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece Independent Online Edition Americas US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed By Andrew Buncombe in Washington Published: 25 September 2005 The mind boggles. "Bullets can't stop it, rockets can't stop it, we might have to use NUKULAR FORZ!" Aarghh! This is how our leaders and their institutions see the priorities, as opposed to how people and their communities see them: 1998 Global priorities in spending in 1998 Global Priority $U.S. Billions Basic education for everyone in the world 6 Cosmetics in the United States 8 Water and sanitation for everyone in the world 9 Ice cream in Europe 11 Reproductive health for all women in the world 12 Perfumes in Europe and the United States 12 Basic health and nutrition for everyone in the world 13 Pet foods in Europe and the United States 17 Business entertainmentin Japan 35 Cigarettes in Europe 50 Alcoholic drinks in Europe 105 Narcotics drugs in the world 400 Military spending in the world 780 Number of children in the world 2.2 billion Number in poverty 1 billion (every second child) http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg51848.html [Biofuel] Inequality in wealth Inequality in wealth: Just 0.13% of the world population controlled nearly 25% of world financial assets in 2004 :-( Dinosaurs. Mammoths. How to kill a mammoth: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg30628.html [biofuel] Mammoth corporations In a parallel thread the human flesh trade is exposed and how the catholic church turns a blind eye and encourages the spread of HIV. A hard film to watch but again one everyone should see. Joe Keith Addison wrote: I didn't, Thomas Mountain did. I have not seen the film and have not commented on it. I posted a news item on a similar subject, that's all. PLEASE be more careful in attributing posts to those who posted them! Thanks Keith My wife and I saw the film Constant Gardener last night and would highly recommend it to all citizens of the world. The film, starring Ralph Fiennes, is based on the Le Carre book of the same name, and is about how the western drug companies use Africa as a testing ground for their experimental drugs, and cause death and suffering in the process when toxic side effects to their imperfect formulas start killing people. The best part of the whole film is that it showed just how ruthless and murderous the drug companies were in protecting their multi million dollar investments and didnt try to have a happy ending. The film showed how the highest levels of western government know of these crimes and are complicit in the cover up. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and
Re: [Biofuel] Polaris as heat exchanger (was solar heat exchanger...)
Hi Stan; Well you can't get better contact than that! I was told that here in Canada you can't do that for pre-heating domestic water. Aparently if there is glycol in the solar array loop then the heat exchanger must either be stainless or double walled where it contacts potable water. Maybe that was why I made the assumption that I did. Doh! Anyways good luck with it. I'm keen to hear how well it works. Joe Stanley baer wrote: I plan to run the water directly through the flue, the condensing (outlet) end of the flue already has a pipe thread and the plate I made to cover the burner end has a nipple welded on to it. stan Joe Street wrote: One thing you might consider is a way to enhance the thermal transfer efficiency by lowering the thermal resistance. If you plan to run copper pipe through the flue consider attaching it to the surface. I have used metal filled epoxy to glue copper tubing to stainless. It worked well. I was using this as a condenser in a home made soxhlet. In your case there may be a problem with mismatches in the coefficient of thermal expansion between the copper, the epoxy and the iron of the tank which may crack the epoxy (I am thinking outloud and do not know for sure but it is a possiblility). I think the glass transition temperature of the epoxy would be somewhere around 80 deg C or so but you may be ok fer a domestic hotwater application. If I was doing this I would line the surface of the flue with copper pipes glued in and then fill the hollow space remaining in the center with glass fiber to eliminate convective air currents up the middle which would rob heat from the system.. Just a thought. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
Anybody else seen this? What is your take on it? Brian Rodgers September 15, 2005 http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index822.htm United States Orders Military Redeployments Within Their Borders as Massive Volcanic Activity Detected In Their Pacific Coast and New Madrid Fault Zone Regions By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have ordered their Internal Military Forces to redeploy to 'Ready Position Ophelia' in anticipation of what Russian Scientists are reporting as an impending cataclysmic event that could potentially devastate the entire United States. These reports today reconfirm our report of September 6th titled ' Operation Ophelia' Begins In United States as Plan for 'Major Cataclysmic Event' Put Into Effect, NORTHCOM Assumes Control over Entire Country, and wherein we had stated, Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have begun the implementation of what the Americans are calling 'Operation Ophelia', and which calls for the dividing of the United States into separate Military Districts under the command of their newly established North American Defense Division of NORTHCOM. According to these reports 'Operation Ophelia' was originated as a strategic plan for the total changing of American society based upon '2 or more' cataclysmic events occurring in their country over a period of 6 months, and as these reports further show these American Military Leaders are now 'convinced' are about to occur. And our August 25th report titled United States Warns Foreign Governments of 'Impending' Internal Crises While Massive American Troop Movements Continue, and wherein we had stated, Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have communicated to many of the worlds leaders that a 'crises' is about to occur in their country and further warning that any 'outside' interference into the internal affairs of the United States will be met with 'swift and sure' action. This unprecedented warning comes at a time when multiple threats are confronting not only the United States, but also the entire world, and which include; 1.) An impending flu pandemic estimated to kill upwards of 1 billion people; 2.) An acceleration of Global Weather Changes destroying up to 20% of this years crops in many Western Nations; 3.) The skyrocketing costs of oil threatening the stability of the Worlds Financial Markets; 4.) The impending crackdown on American citizens and imposition of Martial Law; and 5.) Growing instability in the very core of the Earth itself giving rise to fears of mass earthquakes and volcanic activity on a scale not seen in modern times. The immediacy of the present actions being taken by the Military Leaders of the United States are appearing to be related the growing series of events relating to our earths core which has become so destabilized that according to Russian Scientists means a 'major geological correction' is imminent, and with each passing day shows this 'correction ' taking place on the North American Plate. One of the greatest concerns voiced by Russian Scientists is over the Australian Continent earthquakes of this past week and whose antipodal counterpart is the southern edge of the North American Plate where it meets the Caribbean Plate, and has in turn begun the movement of lava in both the New Madrid and Northwestern Regions of North America. In the New Madrid Region this is evidenced by the seismograph readings of this area showing an increasing number of what are called Long Period Events, and are described by the American Government Scientist, Dr. Bernard Chouet, that discovered them as being, The concept of long-period events was originally used by people at the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory to describe an event that has characteristics distinct from a so-called tectonic earthquake. If you're looking at a seismogram of a tectonic earthquake, its spectrum is very broad. In contrast, a long-period event has a very, very sharp spectrum, what we call a resonant spectrum. If you compare seismic traces, it's immediately apparent that the long-period event looks like a ringing bell and the other looks like a mess of all different frequencies piled up on each other. That very, very narrow spectrum is the telltale sign of a resonator. Think of a bell sound. An organ pipe. They're all different types of resonators in nature. To the power of Dr. Chouet's to correctly predict volcanic activity prior to even earthquakes occurring by the detection of these Long Period Events has been reported on many times in the worlds media, such as the BBC's program titled 'Volcano Hell' , and wherein they stated about this American Scientists discovery, This is the story of a signal with the power to save lives. It is a line on a graph that scientists had puzzled over
Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax
OK Zeke, you got my attention with... "...and figured that killing a few people in order to kick start the political process andeventually potentially save many more people was worth it." Then followed up with: "This has been going on for years, whether or not we approve." and "Actually, it's probably what inspired the old Star Trek episode." Well I'm not sure whether or not to attack or study (or both) your position. By attack, I mean tofocus onthe defeatism expressed by your indifference to the situationand even comparing real-life human suffering to a Star Trek episode - bad form. Of course the most disturbing part is when you actually thought it served the greater good. In my response, I was prepared to use the Tuskegee Airmen as my example, and then went straight to Joseph Mengele. After all, he too believed that he was serving the greater good with atrocities that rivals most fiction. I mention my interest in studying your position because perhaps the emphasis should be on yourapparent attitudetowardyour fellow human being rather than your position on this particular subject. A diagnosis of Asperger's syndromefor example would be an adequate explanation, even a reliefif it explained your indifference and coldcalculations on what life is acceptable to lose for the sake of the greater good. In any event,it would be agood guess (IMO) if I said that you have lost a lot of respect from a large number of people on this list, since thepriorityamong many of us is tocare for all life and notsnuff it out -irrespective ofthe potential benefits. Find another way! Mike Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's okay for civilians to make "battlefield decisions" in peace time - decisions that effectively discount some human life in lieu of a theoretically greater good?This has been going on for years, whether or not we approve. Actually, it's probably what inspired the old Star Trek episode. Inthis case, at least I can see that maybe some benefit could come fromthis one case, unlike most of the people the US government hasmurdered in the last few decades...And as far as skipping sunday school, I am glad I was not raisedChristian. Most of the "Christians" running the US government rightnow seem to have no qualms about killing people and I'd hate foranyone to think I have anything in common with them.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving
Because reading a newspaper might cause inadvertent education If you drive it to the corner walmart to buy potato chips and soda to eat while watching deperate housewifes that would be better. Who is he to say I shouldn't drive my Cadillac Escalade to buy a newspaper? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
Hi All; Just an update. I now have a variable 0-4Kv DC power supply capable of delivering 350 mA current. Now on to the electrode holder. :-) Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
Some folklore says that things happen in "threes". The only problem is that we passed three a long time ago. Since it has been predicted (along with the devastation in New Orleans) by FEMA years ago, I wouldn't doubt it. MikeBrian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody else seen this? What is your take on it?Brian RodgersSeptember 15, 2005http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index822.htmUnited States Orders Military Redeployments Within Their Borders asMassive Volcanic Activity Detected In Their Pacific Coast and NewMadrid Fault Zone RegionsBy: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers[snip]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving
Dang! You found me out! Zeke Yewdall wrote: Because reading a newspaper might cause inadvertent education If you drive it to the corner walmart to buy potato chips and soda to eat while watching deperate housewifes that would be better. Who is he to say I shouldn't drive my Cadillac Escalade to buy a newspaper? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Polaris as heat exchanger (was solar heat exchanger...)
Do they make a distinction between propylene glycol, which is actually used as an ingredient in food, and ethlyene glycol, which is poisonous? We only use propylene glycol solution now, but I wonder if this requirement is still from back in the 70's and early 80's when various stuff (ethylene glycol, bray oil, silicon oil, various alcohols, etc), were used, that you definitely didn't want to get in potable water. Zeke On 9/29/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stan; Well you can't get better contact than that! I was told that here in Canada you can't do that for pre-heating domestic water. Aparently if there is glycol in the solar array loop then the heat exchanger must either be stainless or double walled where it contacts potable water. Maybe that was why I made the assumption that I did. Doh! Anyways good luck with it. I'm keen to hear how well it works. Joe Stanley baer wrote: I plan to run the water directly through the flue, the condensing (outlet) end of the flue already has a pipe thread and the plate I made to cover the burner end has a nipple welded on to it. stan Joe Street wrote: One thing you might consider is a way to enhance the thermal transfer efficiency by lowering the thermal resistance. If you plan to run copper pipe through the flue consider attaching it to the surface. I have used metal filled epoxy to glue copper tubing to stainless. It worked well. I was using this as a condenser in a home made soxhlet. In your case there may be a problem with mismatches in the coefficient of thermal expansion between the copper, the epoxy and the iron of the tank which may crack the epoxy (I am thinking outloud and do not know for sure but it is a possiblility). I think the glass transition temperature of the epoxy would be somewhere around 80 deg C or so but you may be ok fer a domestic hotwater application. If I was doing this I would line the surface of the flue with copper pipes glued in and then fill the hollow space remaining in the center with glass fiber to eliminate convective air currents up the middle which would rob heat from the system.. Just a thought. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: police attacking peaceful protesters at HCC RIGHT NOW
-- Forwarded message --From: Elizabeth Wrigley-Field [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sep 29, 2005 11:36 AMSubject: [CampusAntiwarNetwork] URGENT: police attacking peacefulprotesters at HCC RIGHT NOWTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]As of 11:30am, there is a protest at Holyoke Community College againstmilitary recruiters. The protesters are not blocking the recruiters,but are just trying to counter protest and provide real informationabout what the military does.The police arrived and started knocking people to the ground and macingthem. The College Republicans are there and are encouraging thepolice to attack the protesters.Please immediately call 413-538-7000 and register your outrage with thePresident's office at the College's attack on peaceful protest on apublic campus and tell them to pull the police off of the protesters.Thank you!For more information, please contact Charles Peterson of the HCC Anti-War Coalition [EMAIL PROTECTED]This listserve acts as a common ground for national CANorganizational discussion; please reserve this list for importantorganizing annoucements, reports, or questions that are intended for anational audience. The CAN listserve is not a posting place forarticles or announcements of local events that do not directly effectthe network nationally... [ www.campusantiwar.net ]YAHOO! GROUPS LINKSVisit your group "CampusAntiwarNetwork" on the web.To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS United state bankruptcy court western district of texas United state life insurance Moving to the united state United state patent United state flag pin United states patent office YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "isoinfo" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving
Ha You are far too kind to the newspaper business Zeke! J Zeke Yewdall wrote: Because reading a newspaper might cause inadvertent education If you drive it to the corner walmart to buy potato chips and soda to eat while watching "deperate housewifes" that would be better. Who is he to say I shouldn't drive my Cadillac Escalade to buy a newspaper? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax
Mike. You should go work for Karl Rove. Excellent skills at taking quotes out of context. OK Zeke, you got my attention with... ...and figured that killing a few people in order to kick start the political process and eventually potentially save many more people was worth it. I was theorizing on what the motivations from a DOD employee might be. I don't agree, but I do find it more humanizing (ironically in this case) to try to see the opposing side of the issue rather than just dismissing someone you don't agree with as being a lunatic. Usually I do just dismiss the right wing as being criminal lunatics, but I was trying to be more balanced here and admit they could have a point. I was also trying to find some positive aspect of the story, but obviously failed at that. Then followed up with: This has been going on for years, whether or not we approve. This is just a fact -- people die because governments and corporations make decisions to increase their bottom line or personal power. I have a hard time accepting that I live in this world, but that doesn't change reality. and Actually, it's probably what inspired the old Star Trek episode. I was referring to the makers of Star Trek trying to show people how wrong this was by creating a parable of it on TV.Sometimes people are more apt to change when they learn a lesson from a story, whereas they just go into denial if approached directly about a problem. Well I'm not sure whether or not to attack or study (or both) your position. By attack, I mean to focus on the defeatism I admit that I have too much defeatism. I worked to defeat GW, to no avial, and I keep up on the news too much to be very hopeful at the direction the US and world is taking now. expressed by your indifference to the situation and even comparing real-life human suffering to a Star Trek episode - bad form. Of course the most disturbing part is when you actually thought it served the greater good. Sorry, in the future I won't try to look for any hint of optimism in the world. In my response, I was prepared to use the Tuskegee Airmen as my example, and then went straight to Joseph Mengele. After all, he too believed that he was serving the greater good with atrocities that rivals most fiction. I mention my interest in studying your position because perhaps the emphasis should be on your apparent attitude toward your fellow human being rather than your position on this particular subject. A diagnosis of Asperger's syndrome for example would be an adequate explanation, even a relief if it explained your indifference and cold calculations on what life is acceptable to lose for the sake of the greater good. Interesting theory. I'll have to think about that. In any event, it would be a good guess (IMO) if I said that you have lost a lot of respect from a large number of people on this list, since the priority among many of us is to care for all life and not snuff it out - irrespective of the potential benefits. I do care for all life. But I also know that there are alot of people in this world who do not, who seem to be in control now. And even more than the people who don't care, are the people who profess to care about life, but do nothing about the atrocities being committed in their name. I can either ignore the bad news and feel that everything is rosy, which I feel makes a sham of professing to actually care for life, or I can admit that there is alot of needless suffering in the world, which puts me in the position of being powerless to stop something I feel is immoral. Find another way! How do you reconcile your consience with reality? I haven't figured out how yet. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Polaris as heat exchanger (was solar heat exchanger...)
I don't know Zeke; Does anybody on the list know the answer? I should say that the info I got was from a student who worked in a co-op job installing solar systems for the summer. I have not verified it, although I have no reason to doubt it, and cannot clarify the issue at this point, nor do I have time to persue it. Anyone? Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: Do they make a distinction between propylene glycol, which is actually used as an ingredient in food, and ethlyene glycol, which is poisonous? We only use propylene glycol solution now, but I wonder if this requirement is still from back in the 70's and early 80's when various stuff (ethylene glycol, bray oil, silicon oil, various alcohols, etc), were used, that you definitely didn't want to get in potable water. Zeke On 9/29/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stan; Well you can't get better contact than that! I was told that here in Canada you can't do that for pre-heating domestic water. Aparently if there is glycol in the solar array loop then the heat exchanger must either be stainless or double walled where it contacts potable water. Maybe that was why I made the assumption that I did. Doh! Anyways good luck with it. I'm keen to hear how well it works. Joe Stanley baer wrote: I plan to run the water directly through the flue, the condensing (outlet) end of the flue already has a pipe thread and the plate I made to cover the burner end has a nipple welded on to it. stan Joe Street wrote: One thing you might consider is a way to enhance the thermal transfer efficiency by lowering the thermal resistance. If you plan to run copper pipe through the flue consider attaching it to the surface. I have used metal filled epoxy to glue copper tubing to stainless. It worked well. I was using this as a condenser in a home made soxhlet. In your case there may be a problem with mismatches in the coefficient of thermal expansion between the copper, the epoxy and the iron of the tank which may crack the epoxy (I am thinking outloud and do not know for sure but it is a possiblility). I think the glass transition temperature of the epoxy would be somewhere around 80 deg C or so but you may be ok fer a domestic hotwater application. If I was doing this I would line the surface of the flue with copper pipes glued in and then fill the hollow space remaining in the center with glass fiber to eliminate convective air currents up the middle which would rob heat from the system.. Just a thought. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Sodium methoxide solution MSDS
Does anyone have a printable MSDS for Sodium methoxide solution in methanol? I am having my first go at biodiesel this weekend and want to be as safe as possible. Thanks, Bobby ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
I live a couple of hours from the New Madrid Fault. I will let you know if hear a rumble. (my take is it is a hoax) Brian Rodgers wrote: Anybody else seen this? What is your take on it? Brian Rodgers September 15, 2005 http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index822.htm United States Orders Military Redeployments Within Their Borders as Massive Volcanic Activity Detected In Their Pacific Coast and New Madrid Fault Zone Regions By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have ordered their Internal Military Forces to redeploy to 'Ready Position Ophelia' in anticipation of what Russian Scientists are reporting as an impending cataclysmic event that could potentially devastate the entire United States. These reports today reconfirm our report of September 6th titled ' Operation Ophelia' Begins In United States as Plan for 'Major Cataclysmic Event' Put Into Effect, NORTHCOM Assumes Control over Entire Country, and wherein we had stated, Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have begun the implementation of what the Americans are calling 'Operation Ophelia', and which calls for the dividing of the United States into separate Military Districts under the command of their newly established North American Defense Division of NORTHCOM. According to these reports 'Operation Ophelia' was originated as a strategic plan for the total changing of American society based upon '2 or more' cataclysmic events occurring in their country over a period of 6 months, and as these reports further show these American Military Leaders are now 'convinced' are about to occur. And our August 25th report titled United States Warns Foreign Governments of 'Impending' Internal Crises While Massive American Troop Movements Continue, and wherein we had stated, Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that the Military Leaders of the United States have communicated to many of the worlds leaders that a 'crises' is about to occur in their country and further warning that any 'outside' interference into the internal affairs of the United States will be met with 'swift and sure' action. This unprecedented warning comes at a time when multiple threats are confronting not only the United States, but also the entire world, and which include; 1.) An impending flu pandemic estimated to kill upwards of 1 billion people; 2.) An acceleration of Global Weather Changes destroying up to 20% of this years crops in many Western Nations; 3.) The skyrocketing costs of oil threatening the stability of the Worlds Financial Markets; 4.) The impending crackdown on American citizens and imposition of Martial Law; and 5.) Growing instability in the very core of the Earth itself giving rise to fears of mass earthquakes and volcanic activity on a scale not seen in modern times. The immediacy of the present actions being taken by the Military Leaders of the United States are appearing to be related the growing series of events relating to our earths core which has become so destabilized that according to Russian Scientists means a 'major geological correction' is imminent, and with each passing day shows this 'correction ' taking place on the North American Plate. One of the greatest concerns voiced by Russian Scientists is over the Australian Continent earthquakes of this past week and whose antipodal counterpart is the southern edge of the North American Plate where it meets the Caribbean Plate, and has in turn begun the movement of lava in both the New Madrid and Northwestern Regions of North America. In the New Madrid Region this is evidenced by the seismograph readings of this area showing an increasing number of what are called Long Period Events, and are described by the American Government Scientist, Dr. Bernard Chouet, that discovered them as being, The concept of long-period events was originally used by people at the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory to describe an event that has characteristics distinct from a so-called tectonic earthquake. If you're looking at a seismogram of a tectonic earthquake, its spectrum is very broad. In contrast, a long-period event has a very, very sharp spectrum, what we call a resonant spectrum. If you compare seismic traces, it's immediately apparent that the long-period event looks like a ringing bell and the other looks like a mess of all different frequencies piled up on each other. That very, very narrow spectrum is the telltale sign of a resonator. Think of a bell sound. An organ pipe. They're all different types of resonators in nature. To the power of Dr. Chouet's to correctly predict volcanic activity prior to even earthquakes occurring by the detection of these Long Period Events has been reported on many times in the worlds
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Hello Doug, On 9/29/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andres, it might be a good idea to inspect the livers of the rabbits youslaughter.Comfrey is supposed to contain pyrolizidine (spelling?) alkaloids which are said to be toxic to human livers. I don't know whether thealkaloids are broken down or whether it would be possible to ingest themfrom animals fed on comfrey.I've read that strains of comfrey vary widely in their content of the alkaloids. Supposedly the Bocking clones contain much less thanordinary seedlings.Doug WoodardSt. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Hmmm. The comfrey is just now staring to flower, no color yet, but in a few days we should hopefully be able to identify the strain, based on Newman Turner's descriptions. So far, none of the seeds from last year have germinated, but all root fragments have turned into big plants. If no good for direct feeding, i'm sure the compost pile will benefit, the quantities are overwhelming... thanks for the warning! Andres, loath to kill bunnies, so not a taste yet... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
I'm leaning toward a hoax as well. Anytime I hear something about Russian scientists... Same guys that claim to find unlimited oil if you drill to 40k feet? bob allen wrote: I live a couple of hours from the New Madrid Fault. I will let you know if hear a rumble. (my take is it is a hoax) Brian Rodgers wrote: Anybody else seen this? What is your take on it? Brian Rodgers September 15, 2005 http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index822.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] starting medium-scale facility?
Hello all, Myself and partner want to build a facility which can produce 1000 gal/week. What route would you recommend we take? Should we buy a pre-made still, and from whom? Should we hire someone to build it for us? What method should we use to dry it at this scale? Thanks, Eriik ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sodium methoxide solution MSDS
Hello Bobby Does anyone have a printable MSDS for Sodium methoxide solution in methanol? I am having my first go at biodiesel this weekend and want to be as safe as possible. Thanks, Bobby I don't think you'll find one. You'll find MSDS for methoxide powder and for sodium methylate, which are both sodium methoxide but not the same as you'll be making. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg33399.html Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/thread.html#2803 The Biofuel August 2005 Archive by thread Biofuel] Sodium Methoxide MSDS (Sodium methylate) Anyway I don't see how an MSDS would be much help to you. This might be more helpful, from a previous message debunking someone talking nonsense about methanol: Methanol is also a very active chemical against which the human body has no means of defence. It is absorbed easily through the skin and there is no means of elimination from the body, so levels of methanol dissolved in the blood accumulate. Total crap. Try this: Methanol occurs naturally in humans, animals and plants. It is a natural constituent in blood, urine, saliva and expired air. A mean urinary methanol level of 0.73 mg/litre (range 0.3-2.61 mg/litre) in unexposed individuals and a range of 0.06 to 0.32 µg/litre in expired air have been reported... The two most important sources of background body burdens for methanol and formate are diet and metabolic processes. Methanol is available in the diet principally from fresh fruits and vegetables, fruit juices (average 140 mg/litre, range 12 to 640 mg/litre), fermented beverages (up to 1.5 g/litre) and diet foods (principally soft drinks). The artificial sweetener aspartame is widely used and, on hydrolysis, 10% (by weight) of the molecule is converted to free methanol, which is available for absorption... Elimination of methanol from the blood via the urine and exhaled air and by metabolism appears to be slow in all species, especially when compared to ethanol. Clearance proceeds with reported half-times of 24 h or more with doses greater than 1 g/kg and half-times of 2.5-3 h for doses less than 0.1 g/kg... The minimum lethal dose of methanol in the absence of medical treatment is between 0.3 and 1 g/kg. Also: Many national occupational health exposure limits suggest that workers are protected from any adverse effects if exposures do not exceed a time-weighted average of 260 mg/m3 (200 ppm) methanol for any 8-h day and for a 40-h working week. From: United Nations Environment Programme / International Labour Organisation / World Health Organization: International Programme On Chemical Safety, Environmental Health Criteria 196 - Methanol http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc196.htm Other authorities concur. You can see why I find it difficult to get the the end of it. We've hardly begun, but would you buy a used car from this man? Caustic soda is also not a very nice chemical and can cause irritation and serious burns. Indeed it can, but it's nonetheless a common household item sold in supermarkets and hardware stores, as is methanol, which is quite often to be found on dining tables being used as a fuel for fondues and Korean barbecues and so on. And being used as fuel in boys' model aeroplane engines. Not to underplay the hazards of methanol, but there are people who overplay it for their own reasons. See: Safety http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#safe Best wishes, good luck, let us know how you get on Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Water yield from Sodium methoxode mixing.
Upon looking at the reaction of NaOH and methanol I realized that one equivalent of water is a yield of the reaction. Will this interfere with the tranesterification reaction? I thought that I read water wil cause saponification. Thanks, Bobby Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax
Yah, well, Gary Trudeau I'm not. Andres Yver wrote: On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 09:43 PM, Appal Energy wrote: snip Well, with a little bit 'a luck and if you work at it a bit, you just might get your county commissioners, town council and mayor to lobby the military to let your area and neighbors to be ground zero for testing such delivery systems and vaccines. Think how large of a favor you and yours would be doing for the rest of humanity. Todd Swearingen LOL! First post i read this morning, nice to start the day with a smile. Todd, gotta tell ya, you have found your real vocation on this list. I'm glad i haven't yet been the target of your scathing humor delivery system. No vaccine available, no rock to crawl under, nowhere to hide! Thanks for all the great posts over the years. andres ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hi Mon, The pamphlet doesnt say directly that coops are not allowed to make biodiesel. Here are excerpts from the pamphlet. I trust you can read tagalog? Regards, Chris Anong konkretong hakbang ng pamahalaan upang mapalaganag ang paggamit nito? (Biodiesel) Dahil sa mga nakitang benepisyo ng coco-biodiesel, si Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ay nag-isyu ng Memorandum Circular No.55 noong Feb 9, 2004, na nag-uutos sa lahat ng ahensiya ng gobyerno, kabilang ang mga Government-Owned and Controlled Corporations (GOCCs), na gumamit ng 1% coco-biodiesel sa kanilang mga sasakyang diesel. Ano ang posisyon ng mga oil companies sa paghalo o blend ng biodiesel sa kanilang diesel fuel? Napagtanto ng mga oil companies na ang biodiesel ay isang environmentally friendly at alternatibong fuel. Ang blended biodiesel ay nakikitang may benepisyo habang ginagamit. Ang mga oil companies naman ay hindi tutol sa pagbalangkas ng gobyerno ng mandato upang gumamit ng biodiesel na halo sa diesel fuel para maipakilala ang biodiesel. Kaya ba ng mga kooperatiba na gumawa ng biodiesel? Hindi pa po. Napakaimportante na malaman ang tungkol sa coconut methyl ester at biodiesel. Kahit na sinong tao na may basic knowledge sa paggawa ng methyl ester ay kayang gumawa ng coconut methyl ester. Subalit, kakaunting kumpanya ang may kakayahan na gumawa nito at makamit ang espesipekasyon ng B100 biodiesel. Kailangan din ng mga pasilidad para mas kontrolado ang mga produktong nangangailangan ng waste water control treatment at proseso. Kailangan ng ibang pasilidad para dito. Gaano kaimportante ang pag-ayon sa espesipekasyon para sa Methyl Ester na nakapaloob sa Philippine National Standard? Ang mga oil companies ay gagamit lamang ng coconut methyl ester o biodiesel na nakapasa sa Philippine National Standard para sa B100. Ito ay isang requirement para sa lahat ng suppliers. Ang isang substandard coconut methyl ester ay magbibigay ng malaking hadlang kapag nagkaproblema. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
This sounds weird alright. I'm leaning toward a hoax as well. Anytime I hear something about Russian scientists... I googled New Madrid fault, found http://quake.ualr.edu/public/nmfz.htm What's weird is, I keep hearing new stuff everyday in this group. My ignorance does not amuse me. I may have heard of this fault (location) but I didn't know or recall the name. We rarely have tremors here in Northern New Mexico but we had a pretty good ground shake during the Summer. I left Southern California after the big quake in 1971, it scared the crap out of me. Well, that and Uncle Sam asked me to attend the party in Viet Nam. Between the two events I was feeling pretty fragile. Mother Nature can react badly to human nature it seems. Or did I detect this paranoid idea from this conspiracy theory message? Brian Rodgers P.S. I managed to stay out of the uniform and never went back to California either. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hi Mon, The pamphlet doesnt say directly that coops are not allowed to make biodiesel. Here are excerpts from the pamphlet. I trust you can read tagalog? Regards, Chris Anong konkretong hakbang ng pamahalaan upang mapalaganag ang paggamit nito? (Biodiesel) Dahil sa mga nakitang benepisyo ng coco-biodiesel, si Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ay nag-isyu ng Memorandum Circular No.55 noong Feb 9, 2004, na nag-uutos sa lahat ng ahensiya ng gobyerno, kabilang ang mga Government-Owned and Controlled Corporations (GOCCs), na gumamit ng 1% coco-biodiesel sa kanilang mga sasakyang diesel. Ano ang posisyon ng mga oil companies sa paghalo o blend ng biodiesel sa kanilang diesel fuel? Napagtanto ng mga oil companies na ang biodiesel ay isang environmentally friendly at alternatibong fuel. Ang blended biodiesel ay nakikitang may benepisyo habang ginagamit. Ang mga oil companies naman ay hindi tutol sa pagbalangkas ng gobyerno ng mandato upang gumamit ng biodiesel na halo sa diesel fuel para maipakilala ang biodiesel. Kaya ba ng mga kooperatiba na gumawa ng biodiesel? Hindi pa po. Napakaimportante na malaman ang tungkol sa coconut methyl ester at biodiesel. Kahit na sinong tao na may basic knowledge sa paggawa ng methyl ester ay kayang gumawa ng coconut methyl ester. Subalit, kakaunting kumpanya ang may kakayahan na gumawa nito at makamit ang espesipekasyon ng B100 biodiesel. Kailangan din ng mga pasilidad para mas kontrolado ang mga produktong nangangailangan ng waste water control treatment at proseso. Kailangan ng ibang pasilidad para dito. Gaano kaimportante ang pag-ayon sa espesipekasyon para sa Methyl Ester na nakapaloob sa Philippine National Standard? Ang mga oil companies ay gagamit lamang ng coconut methyl ester o biodiesel na nakapasa sa Philippine National Standard para sa B100. Ito ay isang requirement para sa lahat ng suppliers. Ang isang substandard coconut methyl ester ay magbibigay ng malaking hadlang kapag nagkaproblema. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] the power of spin - harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source
Hi all, This is an interesting idea, regards tallex The power of spin Sep 29th 2005 From The Economist print edition http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4455446 Harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source WEATHER systems, as the world has recently been reminded, have awesome power. The energy released by a large hurricane can exceed the energy consumption of the human race for a whole year, and even an average tornado has a power similar to that of a large power station. If only mankind could harness that energy, rather than being at its mercy. Louis Michaud, a Canadian engineer who works at a large oil company, believes he has devised a way to do just that, by generating artificial whirlwinds that can be controlled and harnessed. He calls his invention the atmospheric vortex engine. His idea works on a similar principle to a solar chimney, which consists of a tall, hollow cylinder surrounded by a large greenhouse. The sun heats the air in the greenhouse, and the hot air rises. But its only escape route is via the chimney. A turbine at the base of the chimney generates electricity as the air rushes by. A small solar chimney was operated successfully in Spain in the 1980s, and EnviroMission, an Australian firm, is planning to build a 1,000-metre-high example in New South Wales. But the efficiency of such a system is proportional to the height of the chimney, notes Mr Michaud, which is limited by practical considerations. His scheme replaces the chimney with a tornado-like vortex of spinning air, which could extend several kilometres into the atmosphere. This vortex would be produced inside a large cylindrical wall, 200 metres in diameter and 100 metres tall. Warm air at ground level enters via tangential inlets around the base of the wall. Steam is also injected to get the vortex started. Once established, the heat content of the air at ground level is enough to keep the vortex going. As the air rises, it expands and cools, and water vapour condenses, releasing even more heat. This is, in fact, what powers a hurricane, which can be thought of as a heat engine that takes in warm, humid air at its base, releases cold, watery air at the top of the troposphere, about 12 kilometres up, and liberates a vast amount of energy in the process. (Just as water requires heat to make it boil, it releases heat as it condenses back into a liquid.) Mr Michaud's vortex would reach a similar height to that of a hurricane, but its base would remain stationary. The intensity of the vortex would be controlled by closing the inlets around the base, or by opening another set of inlets to inject air in the opposite direction and so slow the vortex's rotation. And, of course, there would be a set of turbines at the base of the vortex that would allow its energy to be harnessed as air rushed through the inlets. Mr Michaud estimates that an atmospheric vortex engine with a diameter of 200 metres would produce around 200 megawatts of power. Yes, but would it actually work? And if it did, could the resulting vortex really be controlled? Mr Michaud admits that the word tornado tends to worry people. This summer, 30 years after he had the original idea, and having failed to convince his employer or any other energy firm to take it on, he began tests at a site in Utah, with a cylindrical wall 10 metres in diameter. His initial aim is to demonstrate that artificial vortices can indeed be created and controlled. The next phase, he says, would be to modify a cooling tower at an existing power station so that it uses a spinning vortex rather than the usual large fans to generate the necessary airflow within. The final step would be to add turbines to extract energy from the vortex. Besides the engineering challenges involved, Mr Michaud must navigate the cultural divide between atmospheric scientists and the weather-modification community. The scientists regard the weather-modification crowd as cranks. They, in turn, cannot understand why the scientists are not taking a more hands-on, experimental approach to understanding the weather, rather than simply observing and modelling it. Mr Michaud has published nine papers in atmospheric-science and meteorology journals, and says his invention relies on principles that are consistent with scientists' current understanding of how natural weather systems work. So much for the theory. Now he must demonstrate that it works in practice. next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I too kill my own animals, we put their names on the package of meat and remember them when we eat them, giving thanks for their life energies. Even the Dali Lama is only vegetarian half the time, as the stress of traveling weakens him too much on a strict vegetarian diet. Many of us get sick not eating meat. Now, I am not saying that I need a 16 ounce steak for dinner every night, and I do not eat factory farmed meat, cause that will make me sick, too. For some of us, we see the spiritual connection between the animal and ourselves, when we eat it, and treat the whole thing in a spiritual manner. I talk to my animals and thank them for their life energies before I kill them. I wish them a longer and happier life in their next incarnation, and they stay very calm, stand still and let me kill them. Chickens are the easiest animal to kill, rabbits the hardest, for me. Bright Blessings, Kim Hi Kim, I don't think you are being quite fair in citing the example of the Dalai Lama as an example of vegetarianism not working. In the mid 1960s the Dalai Lama was in Kerala, Southern India, where a high proportion of the local population have always been vegetarian. Their tradition, as with other parts of India, is of lacto-vegetarianism, using a modest amount of milk products (but not eggs). Whilst there the Dalai Lama decided to become vegetarian but then proceeded to live on a bizarre diet consisting entirely of milk and nuts. If this is true, and it seems to be well documented, it would have been an extremely high fat and very unhealthy diet by any standards. After 18 months he became very ill and his doctors, unsurprisingly, blamed it on the lack of meat rather than advising a better balanced vegetarian diet. He was persuaded to return to meat-eating and has done so ever since. (International Vegetarian Union) If somebody does something irresponsible like that it is unfair to blame it on vegetarianism. It's like saying making biodiesel is extremely injurious to your health because some nut job blows himself up heating methanol in an open barrel with a blow torch! I have been vegetarian for the last six years and my wife for the last ten. We are both thankfully very healthy. Do I attribute this solely to vegetarianism? No. We both lead a pretty healthy lifestyle and no longer smoke. I don't claim that eating modest amounts of meat will kill you as some overly enthusiastic vegetarians do. Neither do I accept that eating a sensible vegetarian diet is unhealthy. I belong to a Food Co-op of about 1200 members of whom about one third are vegetarian. In a large close knit group like that one would hear if there were problems with a vegetarian diet. Problems can arise when people take up vegetarianism but don't do their homework properly. You have to learn about the various foods and make sure that you are getting all the proper vitamins. I was in the army until recently and got a very strict medical every year which include blood tests of every description checking for vitamin deficiencies. This is very important especially for teenagers. There is also a fair bit of confusion about what a vegetarian is. It can mean different things to different people. The dictionary definition is someone who will not eat food which had resulted in the death of an animal. People sometimes confuse it with veganism which is a much more exclusive diet as it does not allow any food derived from animals. This diet needs an awful lot more care especially with regard to vitamin B12. Many very extensive studies have been done on various vegetarian groups such as Seven Day Adventists and some vegetarians claim that as these people are healthier than average that it must be due to their vegetarian diet. I don't subscribe to this view because these people don't smoke or drink either. What I do conclude from this however is that a vegetarian diet doesn't do these people any harm. This is the important point to realise. It may be the case that some people cannot tolerate a vegetarian diet. I don't know. My point is that IF we can tolerate this diet that we should because it is unethical to kill sentient creatures for no good reason. ANIMALS HAVE RIGHTS. Just because they are dumb doesn't mean we can deprive them of a happy existance because they happen to taste nice. Regards Dermot Donnelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments
I think that it's possible the story is a hoax (some civilians would have noticed the re-deployment) but some of the things mentioned may just happen (sooner or later). The only question is when. Yellowstone will eventually blow, fantastic earthquakes will eventually happen. Who wants to start a group poll on pegging the date/time? Cheers, John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:49 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] United States Orders Military Redeployments This sounds weird alright. I'm leaning toward a hoax as well. Anytime I hear something about Russian scientists... I googled New Madrid fault, found http://quake.ualr.edu/public/nmfz.htm What's weird is, I keep hearing new stuff everyday in this group. My ignorance does not amuse me. I may have heard of this fault (location) but I didn't know or recall the name. We rarely have tremors here in Northern New Mexico but we had a pretty good ground shake during the Summer. I left Southern California after the big quake in 1971, it scared the crap out of me. Well, that and Uncle Sam asked me to attend the party in Viet Nam. Between the two events I was feeling pretty fragile. Mother Nature can react badly to human nature it seems. Or did I detect this paranoid idea from this conspiracy theory message? Brian Rodgers P.S. I managed to stay out of the uniform and never went back to California either. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the power of spin - harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source
Alt.EnergyNetwork: (Is that your real name?) Funny this is exactly what I proposed to Jason just a few days ago under a thread called Solar Air Cleaner. Jason proposed using a solar chimney to pull dirty city air through filters and I asked him if he considered using baffles to admit air tangentially and also mentioned adiabatic cooling and the heat of vaporization of water as an accelerator to the convective process. This was just a couple of days ago. Too weird! Joe Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is an interesting idea, regards tallex The power of spin Sep 29th 2005 From The Economist print edition http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4455446 Harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source WEATHER systems, as the world has recently been reminded, have awesome power. The energy released by a large hurricane can exceed the energy consumption of the human race for a whole year, and even an average tornado has a power similar to that of a large power station. If only mankind could harness that energy, rather than being at its mercy. Louis Michaud, a Canadian engineer who works at a large oil company, believes he has devised a way to do just that, by generating artificial whirlwinds that can be controlled and harnessed. He calls his invention the “atmospheric vortex engine”. His idea works on a similar principle to a solar chimney, which consists of a tall, hollow cylinder surrounded by a large greenhouse. The sun heats the air in the greenhouse, and the hot air rises. But its only escape route is via the chimney. A turbine at the base of the chimney generates electricity as the air rushes by. A small solar chimney was operated successfully in Spain in the 1980s, and EnviroMission, an Australian firm, is planning to build a 1,000-metre-high example in New South Wales. But the efficiency of such a system is proportional to the height of the chimney, notes Mr Michaud, which is limited by practical considerations. His scheme replaces the chimney with a tornado-like vortex of spinning air, which could extend several kilometres into the atmosphere. This vortex would be produced inside a large cylindrical wall, 200 metres in diameter and 100 metres tall. Warm air at ground level enters via tangential inlets around the base of the wall. Steam is also injected to get the vortex started. Once established, the heat content of the air at ground level is enough to keep the vortex going. As the air rises, it expands and cools, and water vapour condenses, releasing even more heat. This is, in fact, what powers a hurricane, which can be thought of as a heat engine that takes in warm, humid air at its base, releases cold, watery air at the top of the troposphere, about 12 kilometres up, and liberates a vast amount of energy in the process. (Just as water requires heat to make it boil, it releases heat as it condenses back into a liquid.) Mr Michaud's vortex would reach a similar height to that of a hurricane, but its base would remain stationary. The intensity of the vortex would be controlled by closing the inlets around the base, or by opening another set of inlets to inject air in the opposite direction and so slow the vortex's rotation. And, of course, there would be a set of turbines at the base of the vortex that would allow its energy to be harnessed as air rushed through the inlets. Mr Michaud estimates that an atmospheric vortex engine with a diameter of 200 metres would produce around 200 megawatts of power. Yes, but would it actually work? And if it did, could the resulting vortex really be controlled? Mr Michaud admits that the word “tornado” tends to worry people. This summer, 30 years after he had the original idea, and having failed to convince his employer or any other energy firm to take it on, he began tests at a site in Utah, with a cylindrical wall 10 metres in diameter. His initial aim is to demonstrate that artificial vortices can indeed be created and controlled. The next phase, he says, would be to modify a cooling tower at an existing power station so that it uses a spinning vortex rather than the usual large fans to generate the necessary airflow within. The final step would be to add turbines to extract energy from the vortex. Besides the engineering challenges involved, Mr Michaud must navigate the cultural divide between atmospheric scientists and the weather-modification community. The scientists regard the weather-modification crowd as cranks. They, in turn, cannot understand why the scientists are not taking a more hands-on, experimental approach to understanding the weather, rather than simply observing and modelling it. Mr Michaud has published nine papers in atmospheric-science and meteorology journals, and says his invention relies on principles that are consistent with scientists' current understanding of how natural weather systems work. So much for the theory. Now he must demonstrate that it works in
Re: [Biofuel] Minnesota becomes first US state to require biodiesel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050928/sc_afp/usenergyoilgas_050928134802 Minnesota becomes first US state to require biodiesel Wed Sep 28, 1:08 PM ET MINNEAPOLIS, United States (AFP) - Minnesota will from Thursday demand that all diesel fuel sold in the US state be partly distilled from soybeans in a bid to take a bite out of the nation's appetite for crude oil. The northern state is the first in the United States to pass a law to promote biodiesel, fuel made from agricultural oils and fats, said Ralph Groschen, senior marketing specialist at the Minnesota Department of Agriculture. The new mandate comes as the cost of oil hovers around 65 dollars a barrel. Car fuel prices have hit three dollars a gallon at times in the United States -- having risen more than 80 percent in the past three years -- while two hurricanes have disrupted fuel production in the Gulf of Mexico. President George W. Bush recently signed a new energy bill which included tax breaks for biodiesel. The requirement was originally passed in 2002, but its implementation delayed until biodiesel production was sufficient. Minnesota is the biggest US producer of the soybean-based alternative fuel already sold at more than 200 service stations in the state. Two plants are rolling out their first batches of biodiesel, with plans to ship most of the production out of state. One plant is in Alberta Lea, south of Minneapolis, and another is in Brewster, in southwestern Minnesota. Groschen said Minnesota, a huge producer of soybeans and corn, can learn from the lesson set by Europe's acceptance of alternative fuels. They're out ahead of us, and we're just trying to make it happen here, Groschen said. They've blazed some of the trails. He cited higher taxes on petroleum in Europe as one catalyst for the acceptance of alternatives to fossil fuels. As US taxes are lower perhaps the pain hasn't been quite as severe here as it has been over there, Groschen said. Ours is still fairly cheap. That decision perhaps moved them forward on this quicker than it did in the United States, but now with these oil prices we're moving to catch up and to develop our renewable fuels. In Albert Lea, lush soybean fields surround the new SoyMor biodiesel plant, which uses the latest technology to avoid emitting pollution. Farmers who had joined together in a cooperative, took a gamble on investing in the venture, as did two other farmer cooperatives. The plant is one of three in which more than 3,000 Minnesota farmers have invested millions of dollars, Groschen said. Minnesota is coming on very strong with biodiesel and has led the way in many respects for biodiesel development in the United States, said Jenna Higgins, spokeswoman for the National Biodiesel Board. The two big plants, along with the smaller Farmers Union Marketing and Processing Association, plan to produce 63 million gallons of biodiesel per year, officials said. Meanwhile, multinational companies such as Cargill Inc., based in Minnetonka, Minn., and Archer Daniels Midland of Decatur, Ill., are planning US biodiesel refineries, as they have done in Europe. Last year, about 35 plants made about 30 million gallons of biodiesel in the United States. The US Agriculture Department predicts that volume will grow to 124 million gallons or more this year. Demand is growing because of Minnesota's mandate and a tax break in Illinois for blends above 10 percent biodiesel, Higgins said. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process
Hi to all, I was thinking that the most important thing in the business of electrically catalizing a reaction is the current flowing through a given area of chemical. If this reaction is as fast as mentioned in the patent, then a larger area with closer spacing between anode and cathode and lower voltages should be tried first, before going to potentially lethal voltages. I hope to do some experiments with this process to. I will be looking forward to your results, Joe. Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/29/2005 09:23 AM Please respond to Biofuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process Hi All; Just an update. I now have a variable 0-4Kv DC power supply capable of delivering 350 mA current. Now on to the electrode holder. :-) Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Potassium hydroxide - was Re: Caustic Soda supply source?
Not really! Sorry, I'm not sure why I said wash? I have found it easier using KOH to mix or dissolve with the methanol then NaOH. I did not notice any difference with the wash stages. -KS - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Potassium hydroxide - was Re: Caustic Soda supply source? Hello Kevin Soap Supplies on the web have both Potassium (Much easier to wash) and Sodium Hydroxide at bulk discounts. You will have to pay a $25.00 Haz Mat fee + freight + fuel surcharges, unless you can pickup yourself instead. Can you provide some details of how it's easier to wash with KOH? Does anybody else think so? Thanks! Keith snip -Kevin - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Caustic Soda supply source? Would you post your results? Evergreen Solutions wrote: Quick question, we're exhausing ourselves looking for a bulk-supplier of lye/caustic soda/NaOH. I've found some solutions online, but they snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Potassium hydroxide - was Re: Caustic Soda supply source?
On 9/29/05, Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really!Sorry, I'm not sure why I said wash?I have found it easier using KOH tomix or dissolve with the methanol then NaOH. Still, details would be helpful. Looking towards multiple several-hundred gallon batches we're wanting more info on KOH over NaOH. Any details would be greatly appreciated!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cheap and easy filtering of WVO
Thought you folks might enjoy a cheap filtering technique we've been using for several months. http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-halspersonalpages ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery
What size tubing do you use? I think 1/2''is the largest I have gotten before. I use brake line for air brakes very durable stuff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:00 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery So far is hasn't gotten brittle and broken - it just gets harder and becomes cloudy. Derick Giorchino wrote: I haven't had that problem yet. I also use clear poly fiber reinforced hose and it seems to get soft instead maybe there is a combination of both the nylon and the poly so it wouldn't get hard or soft. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:21 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery I've used nylon too - it seems to work ok but hardens up after a while. Derick Giorchino wrote: I have been using nylon tubing for lots of stuff it seems to take a lickin with no ill effects. You just need to keep it from extreme heat. But I have found it will take full vacuum and burst pressure at 100 deg f is over 150 psi. good luck Derick. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Killing animals- graphic was Re: New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Greetings, So far I have not had a steer to kill. We lost our expected calf last February, so it will be next April before I have calves on the ground. However, we do kill pigs, lamb, chicken and rabbits, with the occasional goat. I did put a steer out of it's misery on the highway in front of our place, but it was not mine. The floor had given way on somebodies trailer on the way to the sale barn and he lost 3 yearlings. I dislike doing the rabbits, but we have been doing them for 1.5 years now. I do find it much easier with 2 of us. I keep the rabbits in their normal cages and just pull them out one at a time. It takes a couple of minutes to walk to our killing area, so I have time to cuddle the rabbit, and commune with it. I do carefully explain that staying still will prevent any additional pain and the rabbits do cooperate with us. We use a 5 pound short handled sledge and make sure we hit the rabbit just where the backbone meets the head. A wooden board over a very firm surface is required. If done correctly, one hit is all it takes. As far as we have been able to find out, this is the most humane manner to kill rabbits. If anyone knows a better way that will not poison the food we eat, I am open to suggestions. We have a problem with using chemicals to kill, since I am already chemically sensitive. The whole point of having the farm is to have clean, healthy food. A few years ago I read a study from Japan on killing chickens and what was the most humane way to do so. The study discovered that chopping it's head off was not the least painful method, but a broken neck was better. Since then, we have made it a habit to twist the head and break the neck even though it does not bleed the bird out as well. I assume you are aware that water at 160 - 165F is the perfect temperature for removing feathers. Boiling water will set the feathers and make them very difficult to get out. For the pigs, we do use the shotgun from behind the ear. I found out the hard way that my 380 will not drop a pig in one shot, despite what the gun salesman said. I was furious with him for that! The 380 works well for lamb and goat. Our animals are always moved away from the others for killing. Most of them die with their mouths full, chewing contentedly on a treat. We can pet all the animals that were born on our farm, and most of the ones we brought in. They are used to us handling them and moving them around so we cause no fear when killing time comes. We do talk to them and tell them what is coming, thank them for their life energies, and spend time with them first. You can taste the difference in the meat of an animals that go peacefully into the freezer. We do not kill anything that we have no need to kill. If a snake is a pest, we change our routine to pick up the eggs earlier and the snake goes and finds other things to eat. We have found that the snakes keep the mice and rat population down, so we live with the snakes. We have no children on the premises, ever. We have even found a use for the fire ants, so unless they are dinning on us, we don't kill them either. The one exception is cockroaches in the house, and I am sorry, but I can't stand them. We changed to this standard of not killing anything about 10 years ago and it has worked well for us. My husband does occasionally forget and kills a few grasshoppers, but by never killing the spiders, they have not been as much of a problem as they were. I hope you find something in all of this that is helpful. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:48 PM 9/28/2005, you wrote: Hi Kim, A Tibetan Rinpoche visiting Synergia Ranch in Santa Fe once, was told of a gopher infestation in the fruit orchard, and asked something about the morals of killing, since noisemakers had not worked. His reply: Rodent infestations must be dealt with. It was pretty clear he had no qualms about exterminating them. He also ate meat for the same reasons as the Dalai Lama. Yes, rabbits are really hard. So far, i've been copping out by giving them away. Just how, exactly, do you kill your steers? Thanks, Andres On 9/27/05, Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I too kill my own animals, we put their names on the package of meat and remember them when we eat them, giving thanks for their life energies. Even the Dali Lama is only vegetarian half the time, as the stress of traveling weakens him too much on a strict vegetarian diet. Many of us get sick not eating meat. Now, I am not saying that I need a 16 ounce steak for dinner every night, and I do not eat factory farmed meat, cause that will make me sick, too. For some of us, we see the spiritual connection between the animal and ourselves, when we eat it, and treat the whole thing in a spiritual manner. I talk to my animals and thank them for their life energies before I kill them. I wish them a longer and happier life in their next incarnation, and they stay very calm, stand still and let me kill them. Chickens are the
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery
If you use hose made from nitral or viton you will solve the hardening problem. Nitral and viton are a synthetic that will not be affected by any oil be it vegetable or mineral. Regards, Bob Roper -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derick Giorchino Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 9:35 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery What size tubing do you use? I think 1/2''is the largest I have gotten before. I use brake line for air brakes very durable stuff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:00 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery So far is hasn't gotten brittle and broken - it just gets harder and becomes cloudy. Derick Giorchino wrote: I haven't had that problem yet. I also use clear poly fiber reinforced hose and it seems to get soft instead maybe there is a combination of both the nylon and the poly so it wouldn't get hard or soft. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:21 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed methanol recovery I've used nylon too - it seems to work ok but hardens up after a while. Derick Giorchino wrote: I have been using nylon tubing for lots of stuff it seems to take a lickin with no ill effects. You just need to keep it from extreme heat. But I have found it will take full vacuum and burst pressure at 100 deg f is over 150 psi. good luck Derick. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Hello Dermot snip Many very extensive studies have been done on various vegetarian groups such as Seven Day Adventists and some vegetarians claim that as these people are healthier than average that it must be due to their vegetarian diet. I don't subscribe to this view because these people don't smoke or drink either. What I do conclude from this however is that a vegetarian diet doesn't do these people any harm. This is the important point to realise. One of them, and there are exceptions. It may be the case that some people cannot tolerate a vegetarian diet. I don't know. My point is that IF we can tolerate this diet that we should because it is unethical to kill sentient creatures for no good reason. ANIMALS HAVE RIGHTS. Just because they are dumb doesn't mean we can deprive them of a happy existance because they happen to taste nice. Some people really hate it (and hate me) when I say these things, but there is no sustainable way of raising plants without animals. There is no traditional farming system that doesn't used animals, and never has been. It just doesn't work - soil fertility sooner or later fails, and then everything else fails too. Likewise in nature mixed farming is the rule, plants are always found with animals. God can't do it, and neither can we. Sustainable farms are mixed, integrated farms. Mixed farming does NOT mean miles of monocrop grains on one side of the fence and an intensive pig/chicken/turkey/beef farm (factory) on the other, with its shit-lagoon. Farming with animals means one of two things: killing the inevitable excess or competing with them as they eat you out of house and home. Killing them and not eating them would not be sane, and criminally wasteful. Widespread vegetarianism would condemn more animals than mixed farming ever could, and could easily condemn us all to the consequences (the further consequences) of unbalanced farming systems. Even your healthy vegetables will not be very good for you if they're not properly grown in fertile soils, which means that a proportion of the wastes recycled back to the soil goes through the gut of animals en route. Food is fabricated soil fertility. (Albrecht of Missouri) Best wishes Keith Regards Dermot Donnelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
