Re: [Biofuel] good wvo candidate
Hello Mandy, if you are planning to use WVO as SVO, an indirect injection engine is the best choice, because it will perform good longer than the direct injected engine, since the SVO will create polymerization products on the nozzles, and the indirect injected engine is less sensitive to that. On the other hand you can expecta higher fuel consumption. Good luck to you Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: [Biofuel] good wvo candidate Hey, I'm new to the list and I've just recently become interested in using waste cooking oil to fuel my commute. I am looking to buy a good diesel truck to convert. So far, I've gathered that an older dodge is probably the best route. I've also heard that indirect injection is better than direct injection and older engines are more durable. Am I on the right path? Please let me know, because I am chomping at the bit. Make April 15th Just Another Day-Visit FairTax.orgMandy Regal ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh
hah, wonder why most people disagree him y still majority people vote him? Perhaps they dont have better choice. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh
Hallo, The choice between Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee is exactly no choice at all let alone a better choice. ;o) Happy Happy, Gustl Wednesday, 12 October, 2005, 04:00:25, you wrote: RT hah, wonder why most people disagree him y still majority people RT vote him? Perhaps they dont have better choice. -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cummins unaware of fuel crisis?
From: http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/customerassistance/faq/answers.cfm?uuid=00094\ 7AD-64AE-1B8D-BCF080C4A8F0 I found reference to this on my Peugeot group. The narrow minded diesel car owner (Ugly American?) which sent it out more or less says, Lose some power? Hell no, I'll stick with burning fossil fuel, thank you! People have every right to be ignorant. Why do so many people fall for the propaganda? It's a power issue alright, but nothing to do with vehicle acceleration. Hook line and sinker. In my opinion what Cummins has on its site doesn't address any of the real issues, emissions, peak oil, nor the energy crisis. Cummin's not only knows nothing about sustainability but they apparently they don't even have enough common sense to see into the near future and see that people want off of the OPEC nipple and intend on getting there, now not latter. Maybe the CEO at Cummin's doesn't like country music. I have heard that US truckers are buying up the bio-willie fuel at every truck stop that sells the fuel made from 'Good ol' Boy corn oil. A company which posts oil company propaganda is telling me to call for a boycott of it's products. Here is an excerpt: Cummins test data on the operating effects of biodiesel fuels indicates that typically smoke, power, and fuel economy are all reduced. Are they saying, two out of three ain't bad? Yours truly, Brian Rodgers P.S. sorry some of the tables didn't copy and paste well follow the link above to see Cummin's data sets. What is Cummins' position on the use of Biodiesel fuel in Cummins engines? With increased interest in emissions and reducing the use of petroleum distillate based fuels, some governments and regulating bodies are encouraging the use of bio fuels. Biodiesel fuels should be considered experimental at this time. Governmental incentives and/or environmental legislation to use bio fuels may have an impact on the sales and use of Cummins engines. This document outlines Cummins criteria and parameters when using biodiesel fuel. SME or SOME 'Soy Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common bio diesel in the U.S. and is derived from soybean oil. Soy Diesel is a biodiesel/petrodiesel blend based on SME. RME 'Rape Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common biodiesel in Europe and is derived from rapeseed oil. These fuels are collectively known as Fatty Acid Methyl Esters (FAME). Fuel Characteristics Biodiesel fuels are methyl/ethyl ester-based oxygenates derived from a broad variety of renewable sources such as vegetable oils, animal fats, and cooking oils. Their properties are similar to diesel fuel, as opposed to gasoline or gaseous fuels, and thus are capable of being used in compression ignition engines. Biodiesel fuels have a lower energy content; about 89% of #2 diesel fuel, and is therefore a less efficient fuel. Its higher viscosity range (1.9-6.0 centistokes) vs 1.3-5.8 centistokes for diesel) helps offset the lower energy content through reduced barrel/plunger leakage resulting in slightly improved injection efficiency. Combining lower energy content and slightly improved injection efficiency, biodiesel fuel provides 5-7% less energy per gallon compared to diesel fuel. The cetane value of biodiesel fuel is 40 minimum compared to 42 minimum for Cummins diesel fuel specification. Biodiesel fuel has improved lubricity compared to standard diesel fuel. There are provisional specifications for FAME issued in Germany under DIN V 51 606, and also recently through ASTM PS-121, however these standards are under development and are subject to change. For additional information, refer to the Cummins diesel fuel specifications listed in Table 1 and to the ASTM provisional specification PS-121 for biodiesel fuels. Emissions It is the responsibility of the user to obtain the proper local, regional, and/or national exemptions required for the use of biodiesel in any emissions regulated Cummins engine. From the Comprehensive Health and Environmental Effects testing, a fuel blend consisting of 20% biodiesel and 80% diesel fuel (B20) can yield percent reductions ranging from 16-33% in particulates, 11-25% in Carbon Monoxide (CO), and 19-32% in Hydrocarbon (HC) emissions. The B20 biodiesel fuel blend will cause an increase in NOx of 2%. Performance and Durability Results Cummins test data on the operating effects of biodiesel fuels indicates that typically smoke, power, and fuel economy are all reduced. However, as there are no firm industry standards on the content and properties for bio fuels, consistency and predictability of biodiesel operation is not well documented. Biodiesel provides approximately 5-7% less energy per gallon of fuel when compared to distillate fuels. To avoid engine problems when the engine is converted back to 100% distillate diesel fuel, do not change the engine rating to compensate for the power loss when operated with biodiesel fuels. Elastomer compatibility with bio diesel is still being monitored. The condition of
[Biofuel] plastic solar cell update
Plastic solar power Group invents cells that could decrease cost of energy, if they last By Natalie Banach DAILY BRUIN SENIOR STAFF [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harnessing the power of the largest celestial object in the universe is not just the stuff of science fiction - it may soon become an efficient way to power everything from cell phones to Las Vegas casinos. Showcasing their work in the most recent issue of Nature Materials, professor of materials science and engineering Yang Yang, postdoctoral researcher Gang Li and graduate student Vishal Shrotriya have created a new type of solar cell that they say may revolutionize the way many think of solar power. In response to the world's growing dependency on natural gas and fossil fuels, solar power is being thought of as an attractive solution due in large part to the fact that the sun is the most abundant source of energy in the universe, Shrotriya said. The idea is enticing enough: Imagine being capable of easily capturing the sun's rays, translating them into power and creating a clean, environmentally-friendly energy source without any harmful by-products. In fact, an area slightly larger than the size of Maryland - 160 miles long by 160 miles wide - completely covered with solar panels could power all of the United States, Li said. Currently, solar power provides less than one percent of the world's energy. But before residents and industries begin installing solar panels onto their homes and businesses, there is at least one forboding obstacle - money. The cost of solar power per kilowatt is at least four times that of coal or natural gas. And while the price of solar cells is slowly decreasing, the solar module itself presents a huge barrier to making the energy source affordable. That is, until Yang and his research group came up with a new type of solar cell made of the same substance as a grocery store's plastic shopping bag. The solar cell is similar to the material used to make those plastic bags, and those things can be very cheap, Li said. For the group's solar cell, Yang uses a special type of flexible polymer found in a variety of everyday plastics and equates the process of making his cell to painting a wall or a house. A polymer, like a little bit of paint, can go a long way to covering a large wall. Yang and his team hope that their polymer material could be easily spread and coated onto a substrate. This coated substrate would generate electricity capable of powering anything that conventional power sources do today. About 90 percent of the current solar cell market is dominated by cell systems made from silicon, which unlike Yang's plastic cells are largely cost-ineffecient. The appearance of silicon is similar to a wafer in that a solar cells need to be put together piece by piece. The process is tedious, and silicon is in high demand for other uses. The most popular use of silicon is to build computer chips. From one piece of silicon you can build a lot of computer chips, but it's not enough to even build one solar cell, Yang said. The high demand for silicon, the long refining process and limited supply all contribute to its high cost, which translates into expensive solar cells which many do not find feasible. Members of the UCLA research group say their plastic solar cells could be a unique solution to the barriers associated with using silicon cells, that is of course, if they can ensure a long lifetime for their product. The average conventional solar cell usually lasts for 20 to 25 years, but the life expectancy for the group's plastic solar cell is decidedly lower. Due to the low lifetime of the UCLA group's plastic solar cells, the technology is now being looked at by industry experts in an attempt to lengthen it. The target for the plastic solar cell's lifespan is 15 to 20 years, and Yang said he hopes to commercialize his cell within three to five years. The goal is necessary, scientists at UCLA say, because as oil and gas prices rise to an all-time high and the United States becomes ever more dependent on these conventional energy sources, an affordable and efficient alternative could solve many problems. We hope that ultimately solar energy can be extensively used in the commercial sector as well as the private sector ... there are such a wide variety of applications, Yang said in a UCLA press release. http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=34416 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/
Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh
Gustl, When Tweedle Dum doesn't care squat about energy, health, environment and social issues, but Tweedle Dum by and large does, there is a definitive difference. The degree to which each gets caught up in the system that compromises principles, morals and ethics is generally also evident, even if not in a black and white fashion. Todd Swearingen Hallo, The choice between Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee is exactly no choice at all let alone a better choice. ;o) Happy Happy, Gustl Wednesday, 12 October, 2005, 04:00:25, you wrote: RT hah, wonder why most people disagree him y still majority people RT vote him? Perhaps they dont have better choice. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh
That's not quite how politics works in the US. The minority of the population actually votes, approximately 30% of those eligible. It's the majority of the minority who determines the outcome. If that major-minority just so happens to be better organized or that mindset feels that their vote makes a difference, then there's a far greater chance that their voice will rule. Place polar issues, such as reproductive choice and rights for same sex couples, in front of a well organized, Protestant, conservative, white, Anglo-Saxon, major-minority and you have a recipe for grossly lopsided election results, no matter how dim a bulb is presented as a candidate. hah, wonder why most people disagree him y still majority people vote him? Perhaps they dont have better choice. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [New from GRAIN] Biosafety laws: co-opted by corporations
Why don't you send a copy to Sir Bob see if he can mobilize the troops for a concert or something, or even have a private audience with those fire starters. After all he is some kind of royalty isn't he? Maybe they will hand over thier matches to him? Lol. But seriously why we keep letting these meetings go on behind closed doors year after year I can't understand. We should be demanding that these policies and decisions be made democratically and not by representation. I wonder though if it were in the hands of the people to make such decisions would it still go in favor of the big businesses? It wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn that people are that well trained, afterall people are generally content to let the farce continue so what other conclusion can we reach? Joe Keith Addison wrote: "Whither Biosafety? In these days of Monsanto Laws, hope for real biosafety lies at the grassroots", Against the grain, October 2005, http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=9 Whither whatever... "Whither energy?" Same answer, IMHO. Best Keith Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:34:14 +0100 (BST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [New from GRAIN] Biosafety laws: co-opted by corporations New from GRAIN October 2005 BIOSAFETY LAWS: CO-OPTED BY CORPORATIONS http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=9 Across the world processes to draw-up national biosafety laws are increasingly disconnected from the people they are supposed to serve. Drafting typically takes place behind closed doors, between local elites and foreign "experts" of the GM lobby, with corporations close at hand to steer the discussion. Meanwhile, those with the most at stake from any introduction of GM crops, the rural communities, are completely marginalised from the processes. In their latest short report, GRAIN provides a global overview of how biosafety laws are being all-too-easily co-opted into tools for corporations hell-bent on imposing GM crops on the planet. In Africa, relentless pressure from USAID is breaking down the common commitment to precaution, as several governments, foolishly vying to become the continent's GM showcases, try to impress the GM industry with regulatory frameworks that open their countries up to GM crops. Ditto for Asia, where, despite strong public opposition to the introduction of GM crops, governments are caving-in to external pressure and opting for weak biosafety laws. In Latin America, people are so appalled by the biosafety laws that their governments are putting in place that they've started calling them "Monsanto Laws". Yet if governmental biosafety processes are generally doom and gloom these days, there is plenty of reason for optimism at the grassroots. Not only is resistance to GMOs increasing, but social movements are becoming more sophisticated in their efforts to oppose GM crops. Where national governments refuse to listen, people are localizing their struggles where they can exert more democratic control, such as GM-free zones. Communities are also taking "risk assessment" into their own hands, conducting research, organising peoples' tribunals, and challenging the "experts". For example, had it not been for the documentation of the failure of Bt cotton in the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh by grassroots organisations, the state authorities would never have withdrawn the approval for Monsanto's Bt cotton varieties. This GRAIN report argues that the fundamental problem here is that biosafety laws are being created behind closed doors, far from grassroots realities. These processes need to come down to the fields and the streets, where the issues matter most. === GRAIN, 2005, "Whither Biosafety? In these days of Monsanto Laws, hope for real biosafety lies at the grassroots", Against the grain, October 2005, http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=9 New from GRAIN: Biosafety laws: co-opted by corporations - http://www.grain.org/nfg/?id=341 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Well, yes I was speaking from my experience, the people that I interact with and the society that I live in (which is Canadian - a facsimile of the US). These people (yes I am generalizing) are generally too content to make the mental effort, to engage thier conscience, to consider that each or us can take a bit of the responsibility for the situation which then means that in good conscience you can no longer just bury your head in the sand and pretend it isn't so. The few who do take the pains to do something are few and sometimes appear to be little more than a curiosity to the general public. I should visit Sweden and see for myself how things are over there. It is good news that you bring and I wish there was more of it. Over here it feels like even though you may be swimming against the current and seeming to make your own personal progress, from the perspective of the stream bank you are still being swept downstream. Joe Hakan Falk wrote: Joe, If you mean "we the Americans did not get it", you are right. This list is international and without any Americans dominance. "We the Swedish did get it" and have constantly worked on energy efficiency and saving all the time since 1973. Hakan At 22:36 11/10/2005, you wrote: I think lots of people "get it" - didn't anyone else on this list live thru the 70's? But as soon as oil prices dropped we all "forgot it" and bought SUV's and McMansions. Talking about any kind of realization of change or sacrifice is anathema. Terrorism? Go shopping. Oil dwindling? Pass a tax break for the biggest SUV's. Appal Energy wrote: Congrats Joe! At least one person on this list "gets it." Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. I was thinking about less. It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones who are so called envronmentally conscious think that means finding ways to go on with more for less impact or less cost. When I think of the word less I think of actually less. Like less consumption. Less growth. Less use. Finding ways to shift the peak of energy consumption around the clock or spread it out is still about the poison of more. We don't need any more more. We need more less. Is anyone here under the illusion that we can substitute renewables for non renewables and continue with the legacy of more? Renewables are more confining than non renewables for the love of peat! They may have a smaller footprint in some regards but they do not indulge the illusion of more. On the contrary they will demand the reality of less. J John Hayes wrote: Well, to be fair, in Sen. Lieberman's homestate, where I just so happen to live, electrical generation is 11.8% Coal, 18.5% oil, 12.9% NG, 48.9% nuclear, 1.5% hydro and 6.4% other (presumably renewables). Even better, CT is targeting 20% renewables by 2010 and 50% renewable by 2020. Thus I would have absolutely no environmental reservations about buying an EV or PEHV in CT in the next 5 years. jh Joe Street wrote: Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to "the peak period" when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better dramatically better with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours when power is in surplus and cheaper would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] plastic solar cell update
And if they could make the plastic out of hemp, it would really reduce the need for oil when they get mass-produced. Would lower COP, make them more sustainable, renewable and biodegradable. I am sitting here at my desk wondering why my TI calculator has a solar brick of 4 cells and my cell phone does not... Most grocery bags are #4 LDPE. That's low density polyethylene, which is a cheap plastic. Source: www.designinsite.dk Production of 1 kg of LDPE requires the equivalent of about 2 kg of oil (raw material and energy) On 10/12/05, Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plastic solar powerGroup invents cells that could decrease cost of energy, if they last-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the biodiesel... Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too. On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat here and figured up the ballpark cost of parts for BD in a 390 gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol) for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have excess) ~550$ for 390 gal. oil. .Haul-off for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough estimate)~140$ for one cannister of bottle gas (heat source)..~25$ Total C.O.P... .~715$ Results (Approximate) ~340 Gallons of ester ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol ~43 gallons glycerine Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @ 2.60$/Gal...~884$ Your Savings. ...~169$ not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options. Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than Petro? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO for Commercial Trucks?
It's the same as for the cars -- only bigger. You can't get the kits, but all the stuff is just standard auto parts store stuff. We've converted a full sized school bus for about $500 in parts. I'd recommend reading the websites that talk about how to do it for cars, then once you understand the concepts, its pretty easy to build your own system for whatever sized engine you have. Zeke On 10/9/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at Willy Nelsons web sight n alt fuel.im not sure if its only bio or svo. Good luck Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john giorgio Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:19 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] SVO for Commercial Trucks? I have a friend who is a trucker. I have looked into the systems that allow diesel cars to use SVO, but have not seen anything for a commercial truck sized diesel engine. Anyone know any helpful websites I can share with my friend? John __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hyper Deliquescent Polymer Beads
Hi All I found this site http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/bioD.html#anchor966994 at http://biodiesel.tribe.net/thread/bb138ced-39da-48ac-94af-e25147c48196?r=10476 Anybody heard about these people? Brian Rodgers Acusorb(r) Beads Hyper Deliquescent Polymer Beads (Polymer contains Silver and Zinc chlorides and nitrates) Reuse them hundreds of times! Can be regenerated by heating! The Bio-Pass Process - (The UN- BioDiesel Method) WHAT IS BIO-PASS? Bio-Pass is a two stage combination process the consists of a Wicking filtration process followed by an adsorbsion process that occurs when the oil flows through a bed of polymer beads Water-bond adsorption media have gained continued acceptance for alternative oil-fuel processing Helps remove the water-bonded acid and water-bonded glycerin groups out of your waste oils, fats and fuels! GREEN AND BLACK OIL PROCESSING * Decontaminates ALL types of vegetable oils up to 97% clean. * Removes 99.99% of emulsified water and coolants from used engine oils and fluids. * Removes all types of water bonded molecules from oils and fats. * Turns mucky and milky waste oil emulsions into clear (non-opaque) burnable fuels. BIO-DIESEL ENHANCEMENT and ECONOMIZING * Can be used to wash or scrub impurities from Bio Diesel (Adjusts pH) * Drastically cuts the amounts of caustic alcohols necessary to make ASTM grade Bio-Diesel ! Run your vegetable oil through Bio-Pass filters and Acusorb(r) beads first and then make standard Bio-Diesel to ASTM standards with as little as 10% of the caustic alcohol solutions normally necessary! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] liquid liqid centrifuge
has anyone tried a liquid liquid centrifuge. By continuously removing the dense gycerine you would drive the reaction forward requireing less methanol (the whole pont around the two step reaction) please see http://www.cheresources.com/centcontactor.shtml I think it would be possible to build something along these lines cheaply, take that old blender and put it inline with your reactor? mike in San jose ca ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
The military like to use there own fuel ( JP8?). This one fuel runs all there stuff, Humvees, tanks and plains as well. Greg O. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Luich Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:23 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them So how about running a Humvee on biofuels? miltary models and some H1's are diesel. It'd be the best way to show them you can have your fun and be responsible. I've been looking forward to a bio humer. Only way i can reconcile all my wants. Mike Luich On 10/11/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too dislike the Hummer I am satisfied with bad vibing them and amusing myself and friends of the absurdity of the daddy's war wagon mentality. truly, Brian Rodgers On 10/11/05, Burak_l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you! I do not own an SUV.BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to take away somebody elses mobility. The person may need to get to hospital or to his business urgently.Think about the situation he is in. I agree that SUVs are using more fuel and Hummer is a nuissance in the city. But we can ot attack somebody elses vehicle simply because we decide we can do so.. Mey peace be with you Burak. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them ROFLMFAO!I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere.Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires!The vehicles are disgusting though.Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used to write a message on the glass windows such as oil is finiteor Global warmingor just peak oilsomething which could be written quickly of course because I hate getting beat up!Also the writing could be scraped off with a razor leaving no harm done but the message would have been recieved and probable seen by a few others before the owner figures out how to remove the message.In the winter when SUV's are covered in salt and road grime or when i see a dusty one I always stop to write these messages with my finger in the dirt. Vive la resistance! Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Why aren't there more manufacturers?
Why are there not a lot of people manufacturing biodiesel? Is it because that petro diesel is cheaper? It seems that I have seen estimates of between $2-$3 per gallon if you make it from virgin oil. If it burns cleaner (which it does) then why aren't manufacturers taking advantage of this opportunity? Bobby Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged dieselvehicle!?
Hi Brian I remember a mechanic telling me almost 25 years ago that the hard starting problems on those motors was most often due to an uneven clearance between the top of the pistons and the cylinder head. The clearance on all four needs to be the same. This can be checked using a short piece of resin core soldering wire placed on the top of each piston before bolting the head down which will compress the wire giving you the clearance on each piston so you can skim off the pistons until they are equal. Amazing vehicles, we still have hundreds of them running around Zimbabwe and they are still being overloaded and treated badly and they are still going. Good luck, Jed - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged dieselvehicle!? October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally torn between writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog and starting… something, anything… How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel
[Biofuel] methoxide solution
Hi, I've recently bought new fresh methyl alcohol and lye. I have measured out exact amounts, mixed lye with methanol and - a bit of a surprise, the solution haven't actually got warm. No temperature, fumes, whatsoever. Is this normal, or could I have done something wrong ? The chemicals are most probably pure and good quality. Also, lye has been completely dissolved. -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] liquid liqid centrifuge
michael skinner wrote: has anyone tried a liquid liquid centrifuge. By continuously removing the dense gycerine you would drive the reaction forward requireing less methanol (the whole pont around the two step reaction) please see http://www.cheresources.com/centcontactor.shtml I think it would be possible to build something along these lines cheaply, take that old blender and put it inline with your reactor? Hey Mike. The NH Coop that Mike Briggs works with has an line-in centrifuge, but as far as I know, they only use it to skip settling, not to reduce the amount of methanol. We've been looking for our own centifuge - thanks for the link! jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO for Commercial Trucks?
What MPG/SVO do you get? Zeke Yewdall wrote: It's the same as for the cars -- only bigger. You can't get the kits, but all the stuff is just standard auto parts store stuff. We've converted a full sized school bus for about $500 in parts. I'd recommend reading the websites that talk about how to do it for cars, then once you understand the concepts, its pretty easy to build your own system for whatever sized engine you have. Zeke On 10/9/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at Willy Nelsons web sight n alt fuel.im not sure if its only bio or svo. Good luck Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john giorgio Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:19 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] SVO for Commercial Trucks? I have a friend who is a trucker. I have looked into the systems that allow diesel cars to use SVO, but have not seen anything for a commercial truck sized diesel engine. Anyone know any helpful websites I can share with my friend? John __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
I don't know if it's just a really good source or what, but I was Quoted $1.10 per gallon for methanol. If I bring my own container. If I have to buy in 55 gallon drums then it is 1.57 per gallon. That was quoted 9/14/05 in Thibideaux, Louisiana. Logan Vilas - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the biodiesel... Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too. On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat here and figured up the ballpark cost of parts for BD in a 390 gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol) for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have excess) ~550$ for 390 gal. oil. .Haul-off for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough estimate)~140$ for one cannister of bottle gas (heat source)..~25$ Total C.O.P... .~715$ Results (Approximate) ~340 Gallons of ester ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol ~43 gallons glycerine Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @ 2.60$/Gal...~884$ Your Savings. ...~169$ not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options. Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than Petro? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged dieselvehicle!?
Thanks Jed On 10/11/05, DHAWA PESCAS, LDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brian I remember a mechanic telling me almost 25 years ago that the hard starting problems on those motors was most often due to an uneven clearance between the top of the pistons and the cylinder head. The clearance on all four needs to be the same. This can be checked using a short piece of resin core soldering wire placed on the top of each piston before bolting the head down which will compress the wire giving you the clearance on each piston so you can skim off the pistons until they are equal. This is a totally cool idea. I never thought to use a technique from the old VW engine rebuilding days on the head. We used plastiguage between journals and bearing surfaces to check clearances. Solder, huh? That's smart. Thanks Brian Rodgers Amazing vehicles, we still have hundreds of them running around Zimbabwe and they are still being overloaded and treated badly and they are still going. Good luck, Jed - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged dieselvehicle!? October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so
Re: [Biofuel] SVO for Commercial Trucks?
Around 9mpg on SVO (or about 600 miles on a 70 gallon tank for SVO). It's a 1981 International DT466 engine with a 4 speed automatic transmission, and the bus weighs 23,000 lbs. I don't know what mileage it gets on diesel. Power seems to be about the same on diesel or SVO, unless the veggie oil filter gets clogged -- then it sort of struggles along at 25mph or less till you fix it. On 10/12/05, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What MPG/SVO do you get? Zeke Yewdall wrote: It's the same as for the cars -- only bigger. You can't get the kits, but all the stuff is just standard auto parts store stuff. We've converted a full sized school bus for about $500 in parts. I'd recommend reading the websites that talk about how to do it for cars, then once you understand the concepts, its pretty easy to build your own system for whatever sized engine you have. Zeke On 10/9/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at Willy Nelsons web sight n alt fuel.im not sure if its only bio or svo. Good luck Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john giorgio Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:19 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] SVO for Commercial Trucks? I have a friend who is a trucker. I have looked into the systems that allow diesel cars to use SVO, but have not seen anything for a commercial truck sized diesel engine. Anyone know any helpful websites I can share with my friend? John __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
I want some. Even at twice that price Brian Rodgers On 10/12/05, logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's just a really good source or what, but I was Quoted $1.10 per gallon for methanol. If I bring my own container. If I have to buy in 55 gallon drums then it is 1.57 per gallon. That was quoted 9/14/05 in Thibideaux, Louisiana. Logan Vilas - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the biodiesel... Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too. On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat here and figured up the ballpark cost of parts for BD in a 390 gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol) for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have excess) ~550$ for 390 gal. oil. .Haul-off for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough estimate)~140$ for one cannister of bottle gas (heat source)..~25$ Total C.O.P... .~715$ Results (Approximate) ~340 Gallons of ester ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol ~43 gallons glycerine Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @ 2.60$/Gal...~884$ Your Savings. ...~169$ not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options. Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than Petro? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cummins unaware of fuel crisis?
From: http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/customerassistance/faq/answers.cfm?uuid=000947AD-64AE-1B8D-BCF080C4A8F0 I found reference to this on my Peugeot group. The narrow minded diesel car owner (Ugly American) which sent it out more or less says, Lose some power? Hell no, I'll stick with burning fossil fuel, thank you! People have every right to be ignorant. Why do so many people have to fall for the propaganda? It's a power issue alright, but nothing to do with vehicle acceleration. Hook line and sinker. In my opinion what Cummins has on its site doesn't address any of the real issues, emissions, peak oil, nor the energy crisis. Cummins not only knows nothing about sustainability but they apparently they don't even have enough common sense to see into the near future and see that people want off of the OPEC nipple. Maybe the CEO at Cummins doesn't like country music. I have heard that US truckers are buying up the bio-willie fuel at every truck stop that sells the fuel made from 'Good ol' Boy corn oil. When a company writes oil company propaganda like this, it is enough for me to call for a boycott of it's products. What is Cummins' position on the use of Biodiesel fuel in Cummins engines? Background With increased interest in emissions and reducing the use of petroleum distillate based fuels, some governments and regulating bodies are encouraging the use of bio fuels. Biodiesel fuels should be considered experimental at this time. Governmental incentives and/or environmental legislation to use bio fuels may have an impact on the sales and use of Cummins engines. This document outlines Cummins criteria and parameters when using biodiesel fuel. SME or SOME 'Soy Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common bio diesel in the U.S. and is derived from soybean oil. Soy Diesel is a biodiesel/petrodiesel blend based on SME. RME 'Rape Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common biodiesel in Europe and is derived from rapeseed oil. These fuels are collectively known as Fatty Acid Methyl Esters (FAME). Fuel Characteristics Biodiesel fuels are methyl/ethyl ester-based oxygenates derived from a broad variety of renewable sources such as vegetable oils, animal fats, and cooking oils. Their properties are similar to diesel fuel, as opposed to gasoline or gaseous fuels, and thus are capable of being used in compression ignition engines. Biodiesel fuels have a lower energy content; about 89% of #2 diesel fuel, and is therefore a less efficient fuel. Its higher viscosity range (1.9-6.0 centistokes) vs 1.3-5.8 centistokes for diesel) helps offset the lower energy content through reduced barrel/plunger leakage resulting in slightly improved injection efficiency. Combining lower energy content and slightly improved injection efficiency, biodiesel fuel provides 5-7% less energy per gallon compared to diesel fuel. The cetane value of biodiesel fuel is 40 minimum compared to 42 minimum for Cummins diesel fuel specification. Biodiesel fuel has improved lubricity compared to standard diesel fuel. There are provisional specifications for FAME issued in Germany under DIN V 51 606, and also recently through ASTM PS-121, however these standards are under development and are subject to change. For additional information, refer to the Cummins diesel fuel specifications listed in Table 1 and to the ASTM provisional specification PS-121 for biodiesel fuels. Emissions It is the responsibility of the user to obtain the proper local, regional, and/or national exemptions required for the use of biodiesel in any emissions regulated Cummins engine. From the Comprehensive Health and Environmental Effects testing, a fuel blend consisting of 20% biodiesel and 80% diesel fuel (B20) can yield percent reductions ranging from 16-33% in particulates, 11-25% in Carbon Monoxide (CO), and 19-32% in Hydrocarbon (HC) emissions. The B20 biodiesel fuel blend will cause an increase in NOx of 2%. Performance and Durability Results Cummins test data on the operating effects of biodiesel fuels indicates that typically smoke, power, and fuel economy are all reduced. However, as there are no firm industry standards on the content and properties for bio fuels, consistency and predictability of biodiesel operation is not well documented. Biodiesel provides approximately 5-7% less energy per gallon of fuel when compared to distillate fuels. To avoid engine problems when the engine is converted back to 100% distillate diesel fuel, do not change the engine rating to compensate for the power loss when operated with biodiesel fuels. Elastomer compatibility with bio diesel is still being monitored. The condition of seals, hoses, gaskets, and wire coatings should be monitored regularly. Cummins certifies its engines using the prescribed EPA and European Certification Fuels. Cummins does not certify engines on any other fuel. It is the user's responsibility to use the correct fuel as recommended by the manufacturer and allowed by EPA or other local
Re: [Biofuel] Why aren't there more manufacturers?
For the big refiners, I think the answer is obvious -- political inertia But for small refiners or starups, the biggest reason I can think of it the capital and time required to bring a plant on line. Who wants to lend a few million to a small entrepenuer to produce biodiesel when all the engine manufacturers are still calling it an experiemental fuel. To an outsider there is too much risk and they're not sure there is a market for it. And the strong interest in it has only been the past year or so around here -- I suspect it takes longer than that to bring a small plant on line (by small, I am talking about under a million gallons a year or so) On 10/12/05, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are there not a lot of people manufacturing biodiesel? Is it because that petro diesel is cheaper? It seems that I have seen estimates of between $2-$3 per gallon if you make it from virgin oil. If it burns cleaner (which it does) then why aren't manufacturers taking advantage of this opportunity? Bobby Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
On 10/11/05, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the civilian Hummer, really bigger and annoying whencompared to the military Humvee? Latest news is that the military is actually looking into hybridizing their HumVees. That would, to me, be utterly hilarious, since they already perform better and more economically for their driving conditions than any of the civilian models (Barring the H1, which was essentially military equipment repainted and sold to consumers). Other interesting thing to note: The Hummers have been getting bigger, weaker, and less fuel efficient with every new model coming out. Their performance has also degraded in every category but one or two. They're becoming less and less a real performer and more and more a fuel-hog show vehicle. I personally can't stand them, both for their size and the attitude that comes with them. Most drivers of SUVs in general act like they own the road, and it annoys me to no end. Everything is relative folks. I would hope that all those that argue against SUV's are walking or pedal cycling most of their miles. What I'm saying might be largely tongue in cheek but it is the logical extension... As wasteful as they are in transporting humans, those Hummers could well be running on bio. Respect, Gary So does this mean I can go start letting the air out of SUV tires? I bike 30 miles a day, round trip to and from work, and take the bus system whenever I'm going it's way. ^.~ Peace out -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
Here's some links on the military's reasons for going hybrid. Mostly better performance and redundancy from individual hub motors, the ability to travel in battery only mode to eliminate thermal signature, and fuel reduction. http://evworld.com/archives/conferences/evs14/humvee.html http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Shadow,,00.html Civillian hummers really are junk as far as off road vehicals. I have to say I was sort of amused when I saw an H2 stuck in the mud, get pulled out by a 25 year old ford pickup, which then made it through the same spot in 2wd... On 10/11/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/05, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the civilian Hummer, really bigger and annoying when compared to the military Humvee? Latest news is that the military is actually looking into hybridizing their HumVees. That would, to me, be utterly hilarious, since they already perform better and more economically for their driving conditions than any of the civilian models (Barring the H1, which was essentially military equipment repainted and sold to consumers). Other interesting thing to note: The Hummers have been getting bigger, weaker, and less fuel efficient with every new model coming out. Their performance has also degraded in every category but one or two. They're becoming less and less a real performer and more and more a fuel-hog show vehicle. I personally can't stand them, both for their size and the attitude that comes with them. Most drivers of SUVs in general act like they own the road, and it annoys me to no end. Everything is relative folks. I would hope that all those that argue against SUV's are walking or pedal cycling most of their miles. What I'm saying might be largely tongue in cheek but it is the logical extension... As wasteful as they are in transporting humans, those Hummers could well be running on bio. Respect, Gary So does this mean I can go start letting the air out of SUV tires? I bike 30 miles a day, round trip to and from work, and take the bus system whenever I'm going it's way. ^.~ Peace out -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cummins unaware of fuel crisis?
>From what I've been able to read both in my campus library and online... it sounds almost like they were getting their test results from a poor batch of the fuel. Maybe a bad commercial mixture? It also sounds like they're doing a great deal of CTA: Covering Their Ass. If something goes wrong with one of their engines with a bio-fuel when they've recommended their use, the bad publicity will take forever to get over. They'll be branded, and not in a good way. I thought that BD itself didn't have problems with zinc and aluminum, just the methoxide? Good thing we don't use any Cummins engines. Don't even have to worry about their policy. ^.~ -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] liquid liqid centrifuge
Quoting michael skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: has anyone tried a liquid liquid centrifuge. By continuously removing the dense gycerine you would drive the reaction forward requireing less methanol (the whole pont around the two step reaction) please see http://www.cheresources.com/centcontactor.shtml I think it would be possible to build something along these lines cheaply, take that old blender and put it inline with your reactor? mike in San jose ca I've used centrifuges in the designs I've done in my head. They do speed up the process as you don't need to wait for settling to occur, which also means that you don't need extra tankage. See my comments in the archive from a few days ago regarding OFM mixing and centrifuges. Before you start planning to build something along these lines cheaply, remember that these things are made of steel and spin at many thousands of RPM's. Unless you're very good at machining and milling you could be making a potential bomb, you only need something only the slightest bit out of balance and the thing will tear itself apart spitting shrapnel everywhere. I've seen pictures of when lab based centrifuges go wrong and it looks like someone tossed a hand grenade into them. I've also heard of an installation of several CINC, that's the company that provided the info in the above mentioned link - Kevin Costner owns it, centrifuges at a biodiesel plant here in Australia where they couldn't get them to work properly. The plant eventually dumped them and went for a standard Alfa Laval type of thing. Don't let these comments put you off centrifuges. Do some web searchs and no doubt you will come across second hand/excess/scrapped centrifuges. They still might not be cheap, but then again, it would make a nice experiment. Regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
Zeke, I guess I should have been more specific. I was making the estimate assuming the brewer would be using the fuel themselves. it is a savings estimate, not a profit estimate. sorry for the confusion, jason --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] plastic solar cell update
ill play test dummy for these guys. just print me a ledger, and i'll gladly help with a field test. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hyper Deliquescent Polymer Beads
Oh dear! Not again!!! Accusorb beads, aarghh! Maybe they'd make a pretty necklace for someone's girlfriend. Please see list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg37322.html Re: [biofuel] Accusorb beads- fraud? They DON'T need any more free advertising! Best wishes Keith Hi All I found this site http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/bioD.html#anchor966994 at http://biodiesel.tribe.net/thread/bb138ced-39da-48ac-94af-e25147c48196 ?r=10476 Anybody heard about these people? Brian Rodgers Acusorb(r) Beads Hyper Deliquescent Polymer Beads (Polymer contains Silver and Zinc chlorides and nitrates) Reuse them hundreds of times! Can be regenerated by heating! The Bio-Pass Process - (The UN- BioDiesel Method) WHAT IS BIO-PASS? Bio-Pass is a two stage combination process the consists of a Wicking filtration process followed by an adsorbsion process that occurs when the oil flows through a bed of polymer beads Water-bond adsorption media have gained continued acceptance for alternative oil-fuel processing Helps remove the water-bonded acid and water-bonded glycerin groups out of your waste oils, fats and fuels! GREEN AND BLACK OIL PROCESSING * Decontaminates ALL types of vegetable oils up to 97% clean. * Removes 99.99% of emulsified water and coolants from used engine oils and fluids. * Removes all types of water bonded molecules from oils and fats. * Turns mucky and milky waste oil emulsions into clear (non-opaque) burnable fuels. BIO-DIESEL ENHANCEMENT and ECONOMIZING * Can be used to wash or scrub impurities from Bio Diesel (Adjusts pH) * Drastically cuts the amounts of caustic alcohols necessary to make ASTM grade Bio-Diesel ! Run your vegetable oil through Bio-Pass filters and Acusorb(r) beads first and then make standard Bio-Diesel to ASTM standards with as little as 10% of the caustic alcohol solutions normally necessary! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] liquid liqid centrifuge
do you have any links to NH Coop or Mike Briggs Original Message Follows From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] liquid liqid centrifuge Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:35:46 -0400 michael skinner wrote: has anyone tried a liquid liquid centrifuge. By continuously removing the dense gycerine you would drive the reaction forward requireing less methanol (the whole pont around the two step reaction) please see http://www.cheresources.com/centcontactor.shtml I think it would be possible to build something along these lines cheaply, take that old blender and put it inline with your reactor? Hey Mike. The NH Coop that Mike Briggs works with has an line-in centrifuge, but as far as I know, they only use it to skip settling, not to reduce the amount of methanol. We've been looking for our own centifuge - thanks for the link! jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????
Jim, There are commercial grey water heat recovery systems out there. They recover 50% to 75% of the heat going down your drain, largely while taking showers. According to the DOE studies conducted. Check http://www.gfxtechnology.com/ There is one other company that makes a similar product for about the same price of $375 and there are tax incentives for these. I do not agree that they would not be worth it for the money since most homes use about 30% of their energy bill heating water. This should cut that about in half. Regards; John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:15 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors Hi folks, I was looking for some ways to help save some energy this winter. I found two places that may help, but I know nothing about either and wonder if it is worth the investment or not. They are: 1) Solar collectors 2) Grey water heat going down the drain Can anyone give me some pointers in these two areas? Thanks in advance Jim Wisdom to all ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why aren't there more manufacturers?
Bobby Clark wrote: Why are there not a lot of people manufacturing biodiesel? Is it because that petro diesel is cheaper? It seems that I have seen estimates of between $2-$3 per gallon if you make it from virgin oil. If it burns cleaner (which it does) then why aren't manufacturers taking advantage of this opportunity? I'm slowly starting to think of it, but I'm not convinced yet. I think most people who do it do it mostly as a way of not using petro-diesel much more than to save money. I doubt I'd save much on fuel for my TDI. I'd have to buy the pieces for the processor, buy the chemicals, and go through the process of getting WVO, and practice until I get it right. If I don't get it right I run the risk of damaging my engine; rebuilding it or the injection pump or replacing the injectors will cost more than I'll save making biodiesel in a long, long time, even if the WVO is free. I have three things I want to do with every free hour I have now, so making a processor and learning to use it has some serious competition. As far as reducing my personal impact on the planet regarding fossil fuels I'm more inclined to use the WVO I can get as a replacement for some of the home heating oil I use. I have an extremely well insulated house and use ~650 gallons of heating oil last year. I think next summer I'll cut at least 150 off with solar hot water heaters. If I can get 250 gallons of WVO and mix it with K1 I can save 400 of the 650 gallons without risking the engine in my TDI:) That's a significant savings, bring me down to 10-20% of what most houses use in these parts. I also wonder what people are really doing with the leftover glycerine and wash water with excess methanol. I suspect a lot of both get dumped, as do batches that just go bad. I don't know that, but would be interested to hear from those actually making BD what they do with their wash water. I live in the country and have my own well and septic system; introducing methanol into the ground water is not something I'm interested in doing. Perhaps I don't understand the process well enough and the by products aren't a problem? --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
The H2 are wannabe's, No ground cleareance, a less expensive way to look rich while picking the kids up at soccer. Mike LOn 10/12/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's some links on the military's reasons for going hybrid.Mostlybetter performance and redundancy from individual hub motors, theability to travel in battery only mode to eliminate thermal signature,and fuel reduction. http://evworld.com/archives/conferences/evs14/humvee.html http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Shadow,,00.htmlCivillian hummers really are junk as far as off road vehicals.I haveto say I was sort of amused when I saw an H2 stuck in the mud, get pulled out by a 25 year old ford pickup, which then made it throughthe same spot in 2wd...On 10/11/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/05, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the civilian Hummer, really bigger and annoying when compared to the military Humvee? Latest news is that the military is actually looking into hybridizing their HumVees. That would, to me, be utterly hilarious, since they already perform better and more economically for their driving conditions than any of the civilian models (Barring the H1, which was essentially military equipment repainted and sold to consumers).Other interesting thing to note: The Hummers have been getting bigger, weaker, and less fuel efficient with every new model coming out. Their performance has also degraded in every category but one or two. They're becoming less and less a real performer and more and more a fuel-hog show vehicle.I personally can't stand them, both for their size and the attitude that comes with them. Most drivers of SUVs in general act like they own the road, and it annoys me to no end. Everything is relative folks.I would hope that all those that argue againstSUV's are walking or pedal cycling most of their miles.What I'm saying might belargely tongue in cheek but it is the logical extension...As wasteful as theyare in transporting humans, those Hummers could well be running on bio. Respect,GarySo does this mean I can go start letting the air out of SUV tires? I bike 30 miles a day, round trip to and from work, and take the bus system whenever I'm going it's way. ^.~ Peace out-K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] liquid liqid centrifuge
http://www.cheresources.com/centcontactor.shtml I think it would be possible to build something along these lines cheaply, take that old blender and put it inline with your reactor? i wouldnt be inclined to try building/using it without a damn good machinist working for me... --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution
Hello, It happen to me too, I was wonderigh whether that was ok or not ? any tips !!On 10/12/05, Rafal Szczesniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I've recently bought new fresh methyl alcohol and lye. I have measuredout exact amounts, mixed lye with methanol and - a bit of a surprise,the solution haven't actually got warm. No temperature, fumes, whatsoever. Is this normal, or could I have done something wrong ?The chemicals are most probably pure and good quality. Also, lye hasbeen completely dissolved.--cheers, Rafal Szczesniak**mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org+-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Sambahttp://www.samba.org+-+ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Burger King WVO
I have access to all the Burger King WVO that I want. But they use the crap out of it, only changing their oil once a week. I made a test batch and the only difference between the Burger King test batch and others is the dark color. So is it safe to use the Burger King BD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] pvc question
Hello all; I am in the process of building my own reactor and I was wondering if anyone has used PVC piping and pumps. I have a virtually free supply of PVC as well as some pool/ spa pumps to use for my project. I have already checked the chemical reactivity database, and it claims that PVC is non reactive with diesel, methanol and lye. Obviously there is no entry for B100, so I was wondering if anyone has had experience using these materials in their own reactor setups, and what problems that you encountered, if any? Thanks in advance; Daniel ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
when I was at TTU I built a Hybrid Hummvee, it was poweed by 2 electrical 100KW motors and the third motor was use as a generator. The enegery for the generator was comming from a 1.8 turbo diesel engine. On 10/12/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's some links on the military's reasons for going hybrid.Mostlybetter performance and redundancy from individual hub motors, theability to travel in battery only mode to eliminate thermal signature,and fuel reduction. http://evworld.com/archives/conferences/evs14/humvee.html http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Shadow,,00.htmlCivillian hummers really are junk as far as off road vehicals.I haveto say I was sort of amused when I saw an H2 stuck in the mud, get pulled out by a 25 year old ford pickup, which then made it throughthe same spot in 2wd...On 10/11/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/05, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the civilian Hummer, really bigger and annoying when compared to the military Humvee? Latest news is that the military is actually looking into hybridizing their HumVees. That would, to me, be utterly hilarious, since they already perform better and more economically for their driving conditions than any of the civilian models (Barring the H1, which was essentially military equipment repainted and sold to consumers).Other interesting thing to note: The Hummers have been getting bigger, weaker, and less fuel efficient with every new model coming out. Their performance has also degraded in every category but one or two. They're becoming less and less a real performer and more and more a fuel-hog show vehicle.I personally can't stand them, both for their size and the attitude that comes with them. Most drivers of SUVs in general act like they own the road, and it annoys me to no end. Everything is relative folks.I would hope that all those that argue againstSUV's are walking or pedal cycling most of their miles.What I'm saying might belargely tongue in cheek but it is the logical extension...As wasteful as theyare in transporting humans, those Hummers could well be running on bio. Respect,GarySo does this mean I can go start letting the air out of SUV tires? I bike 30 miles a day, round trip to and from work, and take the bus system whenever I'm going it's way. ^.~ Peace out-K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
I would like to know the company that is selling for that price I just thought I had found a good deal @ $2.36 a gal. here in Dallas, Tx. And to get that price it has to be by the drum. - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA I want some. Even at twice that price Brian Rodgers On 10/12/05, logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's just a really good source or what, but I was Quoted $1.10 per gallon for methanol. If I bring my own container. If I have to buy in 55 gallon drums then it is 1.57 per gallon. That was quoted 9/14/05 in Thibideaux, Louisiana. Logan Vilas - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the biodiesel... Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too. On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat here and figured up the ballpark cost of parts for BD in a 390 gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol) for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have excess) ~550$ for 390 gal. oil. .Haul-off for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough estimate)~140$ for one cannister of bottle gas (heat source)..~25$ Total C.O.P... .~715$ Results (Approximate) ~340 Gallons of ester ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol ~43 gallons glycerine Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @ 2.60$/Gal...~884$ Your Savings. ...~169$ not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options. Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than Petro? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [biofuel] torturing people
Remember, we invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein was such a horrible brute that he tortured people. Bush approval dips below 40 percent NBC-WSJ poll shows only 28 percent believe U.S. headed in right direction http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9672058/ The outrage of the week GOP stands up for U.S. right to torture Molly Ivins Creators Syndicate 10.11.05 http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=19727 AUSTIN, Texas -- On one of those television gong shows that passes for journalism, the panelists used to have to pick an Outrage of the Week. Then, each performer would wax indignant about his or choice for 60 seconds or so. If someone asked me to name the Outrage of the Week about now, I'd have a coronary. How could anyone possibly choose? I suppose the frontrunner is the anti-torture amendment. Sen. John McCain proposed an amendment to the military appropriations bill that would prohibit cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of prisoners in the custody of the U.S. military. This may strike you as a goes without saying proposition -- the amendment passed the Senate 90 to nine. The United States has been signing anti-torture treaties under Democrats and Republicans for at least 50 years. But the Bush administration actually managed to find some weasel words to create a loophole in this longstanding commitment to civilized behavior. According to the Bushies, if the United States is holding a prisoner on foreign soil, our soldiers can still subject him or her to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment -- the very forms of torture used by the soldiers who were later prosecuted for their conduct at Abu Ghraib. Does this make any sense, moral or common? So deeply does President Bush feel our country, despite all its treaty commitments, has a right to torture that he has threatened to veto the bill if it passes. This would the first time in five years he has ever vetoed anything. Think about it: Five years of stupefying pork, ideological nonsense, dumb administrative ideas, fiscal idiocy, misbegotten energy programs -- and the first thing the man vetoes is a bill to pay our soldiers because it carries an amendment saying, once again, that this country does not torture prisoners. This is the United States of America. It is our country, not George W. Bush's personal property. The United States of America still stands for the rights of man, for freedom, dignity and justice. We do not torture helpless prisoners. Our soldiers are not the SS, not the North Vietnamese who tortured McCain and others for years on end, not bestial Argentinean fascists, not the Khmer Rouge. Remember, we invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein was such a horrible brute that he tortured people. This is beyond disgusting. The House Republicans, which have no shame, will try to weaken McCain's amendment. They need to hear from decent Republicans all over this country. Don't leave this hideous stain on your party's name. This is NOT what America stands for. We've had more loathsome and more dangerous enemies than Al-Qaida and managed to defeat them without resorting to torture. [more] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [biofuel] serious energy problem?
Why have we not been able to get together as a nation to resolve our serious energy problem? David Morris: Carter's brave vision on energy October 7, 2005 http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5657601.html and http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=9808url= http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5657601.html SYNOPSIS: Unlike the energy legislation of the late 1970s, this current act does not target imported oil. Indeed, it contains virtually nothing that would reduce our reliance on oil. George W. Bush asking Americans to save oil by driving less reminds me of Jimmy Carter wearing a cardigan sweater and asking Americans to save oil by turning down our thermostats and, yes, by driving less. But former President Carter was asking for individual sacrifice as a small part of an aggressive, national campaign. President Bush is asking for individual sacrifice instead of a national initiative. Carter gave his first energy speech in February 1977. In July 1979, four months before Americans were taken hostage in Iran, he delivered his fifth energy address. To this day, that speech and its aftermath illuminate the profound differences between the way Democrats and Republicans address the oil crisis. Ten days ago I had planned to speak to you again about a very important subject -- energy, Carter began. But as I was preparing to speak, I began to ask myself the same question that I now know has been troubling many of you. Why have we not been able to get together as a nation to resolve our serious energy problem? He told us he had set his speech aside and talked to hundreds of individuals. His conclusion? Americans had lost confidence in our capacity to act decisively and collectively to address and solve our problems. Republicans quickly dubbed the address the malaise speech. But to Carter the energy crisis offered an opportunity to regain our sense of hopefulness and national self-confidence. Energy will be the immediate test of our ability to unite this nation, and it can also be the standard around which we rally, he observed. On the battlefield of energy we can win for our nation a new confidence, and we can seize control again of our common destiny ... . It can rekindle our sense of unity, our confidence in the future, and give our nation and all of us individually a new sense of purpose. Carter established a clear goal. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. By the end of the 1980s, the nation would reduce our dependence on foreign oil by one-half. To achieve these goals Carter requested of Congress the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun. For Carter, fairness was to be an important criterion in shaping energy policy. Since the poor suffer most from rising energy prices, Our nation must be fair to the poorest among us, so we will increase aid to needy Americans to cope with rising energy prices ... . Carter also applied the principle to the other end of the wealth spectrum: the oil companies reaping enormous profits because of OPEC-inspired price hikes. Congress must enact the windfall profits tax without delay, Carter insisted. It will be money well spent. Unlike the billions of dollars that we ship to foreign countries to pay for foreign oil, these funds will be paid by Americans to Americans. Congress enacted much of what Jimmy Carter proposed. Coupled with the energy-efficiency standards for cars enacted by an earlier Democratic Congress, and the passage in 1978 of five energy bills directed at spurring energy efficiency and renewable energy, the Energy Security Act of 1980 created a comprehensive and coherent energy policy directed toward eliminating our dependence on imported oil. Why don't we remember this? In part, because Ronald Reagan entered office only a year after Carter's speech and immediately set about dismantling or dramatically cutting back most of the programs enacted in the 1970s. The energy crisis subsided. A severe worldwide economic downturn in 1981 and 1982 cut the price of crude oil by 75 percent. Depending on imported oil didn't seem so important. The nation dropped back into lethargy. Fast-forward to 2005. The price of oil again doubles. The Republican-controlled Congress passes an omnibus energy bill. But unlike the energy legislation of the late 1970s, this one does not target imported oil. Indeed, it contains virtually nothing that would reduce our reliance on
