Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
Correction, Methyl Ethyl Ketone PEROXIDE (MEKP)is used as the hardening agent (Catalyst) in fiberglass. Methyl Ethyl Ketone is like an acetone used for thinning some paints and polyester gelcoats. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:46 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone Yes, Ethylene glycol is your normal green antifreeze for cars. Propylene glycol is a non-toxic antifreeze used in solar thermal systems and some of the new car antifreeze formulations. It's usually pink when I've seen it, although I'm not sure if this is natural color or dye. Why are you looking for ethylene glycol? On 10/19/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good thanks Ken Now that you jog my memory I recall buying methanol at the parts store last week and right next to the Heet brand de-icer I saw isopropyl alcohol. next, I need to look in the archives for ethylene glycol as I remember talk of it here last month. At the time I was interested in something else so I skimmed it with little absorption on mind part. Anyway isn't glycol a anti-freeze? I am ready to take Chemistry 101 at the local university. Brian Rodgers On 10/19/05, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you get the one that says CONTAINS NO METHANOL. Otherwise, it's pure methanol... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha Curcas
Hi BellaBok Sounds like a cool plan. You don't have to get the seed from India, you can get it from Zimbabwe at the government nursery in Harare. If you know any people who live in Harare, ask them to go to the government nursery and speak to David in the seed dept. I have seen it growing here in Quelimane, Mozambique, where we are living at the moment and I could probably get some seed down to you if you gave me your address, we have guys from South Africa travelling back and forth all the time. I grew Jatropha in Ruwa, about 30 km from Harare and they did quite well there. What I found with them is the seed is very difficult to get out of the outer shell but maybe you can invent or buy a machine to do that part of the job. Have you thought of using Lucinia (don't know how to spell it). I am not sure of the oil content but I think the tree will do well in your hard conditions. I am sure you have hundreds of goats in that area so it will be good as goat feed as well as giving you oil and you can feed the seed cake to the earth worms as well. Your problem will be keeping the goats out of the plantation while the trees are trying to grow. I can get some of this seed to you as well, it grows here. Good luck with your plan. Jed - Original Message - From: isabel taylor To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Jatropha Curcas We are thinking ofplanting Jatropha Curcas treesusing earth worms to compost waste, the compost we get from the worms we will use for the Jatrophatrees. We are think of only planting Jatropha because of the following reasons: 1. Once planted the Jatropha trees bear for approximately 50 years. 2. We have ordered seeds from India andwe intend planting these seeds and once the trees are old enough we take cuttings from them,we will supply the local people with these cuttings so that they will beable to establish small plantations. Apparently Jatropha grows easily from cuttings and the cuttings produce fruitsearlier than Jatropha planted from seeds. 3. Once again we will assist the local people to establish simple hand presses that would be able to press the fruit and the oil once filtered can be used directly in there tractors and stationery engines. We will teach them to start up on normal diesel and then switch over to the Jatropha oil once the engines are warm and to switch back to diesel again before shutting off the engine so that none of the Jatropha oilis left inside the diesel pump and pipes, filter etc.of the engine. People who do not have tractors or engines can sell the oil or the fruit on the open market. 4. The compost that the worms produce for them they can use in their own plantations or gardens or sellon the open market. 5. Oh!Inearly forgot we are up in the north eastern section of South Africa (Limpopo province)the area were we are issupposed to be sub tropical but the last 4 years has been very dry and we have not received any where nearour normal rainfall and this year so far is the worse. Limpopo is the poorest province in South Africa. One advantage we have is that there is large tracts of land that can be used for planting and the quality of the soil generally is not bad, now all we need is for our normal rainfall to return. 6.One of the reason we are thinking of using Jatropha is because we understand it grows in all conditions and will even grow in semi arid regions, it never goes below 8 degrees Celsius here. 7. Locally thereare nosources of used vegetable oils etc. to enable us totry and make bio diesel so we willwait until we are able to produce our own oil and them learn how to convert it to bio diesel. There are many other reasons that we are thinking of going exclusively with jatropha but you must understand that we are only going on what we have read and have no practical experience and would appreciate any input and advice from anyone as we do not want to disappoint the local people, to them it would be a tremendous boast ifthis plan can work. I hope I am allowed to post such a lengthy question and that it is relevant to the list? Greetings BellaBok ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines
The theory on them is alluring. Modifying the compression/expansion cycle to - for example - expand the combustion gases quickly and thereby reduce pollution seems like a great potential. Another would be to halt the piston at/just beyond top dead center and let combustion finish. Those both have some pretty serious issues when it comes to actual implementation. Another that's intriguing is the ability to have the expansion stroke longer than the intake stroke for more efficiency. You are so very right it's alluring, but not even touching stroke lengths and related phases of the cycle, but just to reduce the sheer number of /moving parts/ in the engine itself is a big draw for me. Simpler tends to translate to more durable, and with fewer moving parts there should be less work lost to friction, less to need lubrication (Which could lead to a less complicated lubrication system, also a plus), and so on. I think the reason they never caught on is complexity, which translates into cost. It's easier to make a matching block and head when all the cylinders line up, and the valve gear required in a barrel engine is just awful. And the manifolding. the list goes on. You end up with an engine that's small in theory but has stuff sticking out all over. Well, from what I've read, the OP engine design doesn't have valves; At least none that I could see in the layout drawings. Seemed simpler to me, more in common with the two-stroke (Clark?) cycle than the Otto cycle. So your valve timing would be taken care of by your piston timing.. which is in turn controlled by your drive cams. The injector could be a DI-style sensor-fired high pressure injector; like I said, this one in particular seemed to lend itself well to a diesel process. With compression coming from both ends, it should be possible to ramp up the compression ratios even higher than normal, and the solid one-piece cams secured in the same direction as the piston force should be able to take the load much better than a perpendicularly secured crankshaft. What I see in my mind is almost a cylinder of tubes (The cylinders), with smaller tubes carring the intake air running in the front and smaller tubes for the exhaust running out the back end. (This would have to be changed for a turbocharged engine). Another wild idea; what if you put this barrel engine (The OP one) in place of the combustion chamber on a gas turbine? Exhaust flow turns a power turbine, which runs up a common shaft to turn a compressor to ramp up air pressure going into the cylinders. Might work, and make it easier to run it on a turbocharger without ducting and manifolding the airflows all over the place. The only place where that one runs into problems is when you try to figure out how to get the driveshaft power out through the turbine shaft. :p Which is where my poor tired brain breaks down. Peace out. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
Hello Andy Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? Have a read of this on CRDs and PDs on SVO, and biodiesel too (recently updated): http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_TDI.html The TDI-SVO controversy Best wishes Keith I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Very Dark Biodiesel, help needed.
Hi! I visit journeytoforever site since 5-6 months and read and learn... I made some samples (2 to 10 l) of biodiesel using the start method, two-base method and foolproof method. Of course the first were very bad but after a few tries and re-reading everithing is OK. Now I have a little problem. I searched your mail archive and google and so on and did't find s.o. with my problem: A friend gave me used palm oil (he said it is palm oil used for pastry products - batter fried in deep oil at 170 deg.C). It is very dark brown, even not used. I made 2l sample. Everything seems OK: the glycerine layer separated nice and it washes easy BUT the product is very, very dark. Little lighter than the unprocessed palm oil. My previous batches were crystal-clear but this is little more ligther from the glycerine layer. I'm not sure that it's OK to be like that. That's why I write you and ask for help. Maybe s.o. else had the same results. Dani, Bulgaria. P.S.: The same was sent to Keith but I know that maybe there is no time to read everything so I decided to post it her too. - http://www.helikon.bg - Поръчай книги онлайн! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha Curcas -
Hi Isabel, 2. We have ordered seeds from India and we intend planting these seeds and once the trees are old enough we take cuttings from them, we will supply the local people with these cuttings so that they will be able to establish small plantations. Apparently Jatropha grows easily from cuttings and the cuttings produce fruits earlier than Jatropha planted from seeds. Mafikeng Biodiesel, together with Invest North West and the Barolong Boora Tshidi Development Company, has established a nursery to grow Jatropha near Mafikeng, I haven't seen it but by all accounts it's impressive. Have a look at http://www.biodiesel.co.za. I'm told that 45000 ha has been made available, oil from this is enough for a 26000tpa plant. Not quite home brewing but lots of jobs in the growing and processing. 3. Once again we will assist the local people to establish simple hand presses that would be able to press the fruit and the oil once filtered can be used directly in there tractors and stationery engines. We will teach them to start up on normal diesel and then switch over to the Jatropha oil once the engines are warm and to switch back to diesel again before shutting Why not convert it to Biodiesel? It's better in the long run. While all you need to know is at http://www.journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html I'd be happy to share what I've learnt about finding raw materials etc. People who do not have tractors or engines can sell the oil or the fruit on the open market. Jatropha is hardy and has a highish yield (http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html) but it's also toxic. The seedcake (whats left after pressing) cannot be fed to animals South Africa imports a large quantity of seedcake annually. I found this http://www.jatropha.de/ and this http://www.ecoworld.org/Home/Articles2.cfm? TID=367 interesting. 5. Oh! I nearly forgot we are up in the north eastern section of South Africa (Limpopo province) the area were we are is supposed to be sub tropical but the last 4 years has been very dry and we have not received any where near our normal rainfall and this year so far is the worse. Limpopo is the poorest province in South Africa. One advantage we have is that there is large tracts of land that can be used for planting and the quality of the soil generally is not bad, now all we need is for our normal rainfall to return. The Agricultural Research Council (ARC) is looking at setting up a biodiesel training spot near Marble Hall - using sunflowers as the raw material. 6.One of the reason we are thinking of using Jatropha is because we understand it grows in all conditions and will even grow in semi arid regions, it never goes below 8 degrees Celsius here. I understand the jury is still out, from a Department of Agriculture and Dept of Water Affairs point of view. There is concern about encouraging the growth of alien plants without doing research on the impact it will have on water resources. I do have an article on this somewhere I'll try and find it and post the link. 7. Locally there are no sources of used vegetable oils etc. to enable us to try and make bio diesel so we will wait until we are able to produce our own oil and them learn how to convert it to bio diesel. I'd encourage you to try and set up you own processor it was a little more expensive but I made my first few batches with virgin oil I bought - off the shelf. There are many other reasons that we are thinking of going exclusively with jatropha but you must understand that we are only going on what we have read and have no practical experience and would appreciate any input and advice from anyone as we do not want to disappoint the local people, to them it would be a tremendous boast if this plan can work. As you will see if you lurk around this list good biodiesel can be made by anyone. I think it's a great, empowering concept for people to become self reliant in a commodity that has always been representative of 'first' world domination. Good luck and if there is anyway I can help, let me know. Regards, Duncan Mills - This mail sent through IDWS Webmail www.idws.com IDWS - South Africa's leader in personal corporate internet services. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines
engine turbine power is used in lots of vehicles from ships to helicopters, They use a planetary gearbox to step down from 60 - 70,000 rpm to anywhere between 2000- 1 rpm, these are not simple devices anyone can look after if your really interested in efficient piston engines, check out the single listeriods! http://www.otherpower.com/fuking.html these are up 5 - 12 hp power singles that generate there power at around 500 - 650 rpm, can run on diesel or any dirty oil you can findand can be made to get up to 45 - 55% of the energy they burn! also there have very very few moving parts can be looked after by any bush mechanic and have been around for over a hundred years. i could go on, but take a look around google, there's lots of info Bede -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kurt NolteSent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:51 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines"The theory on them is alluring. Modifying the compression/expansioncycle to - for example - expand the combustion gases quickly andthereby reduce pollution seems like a great potential. Another would beto halt the piston at/just beyond top dead center and let combustionfinish. Those both have some pretty serious issues when it comes toactual implementation. Another that's intriguing is the ability to havethe expansion stroke longer than the intake stroke for more efficiency."You are so very right it's alluring, but not even touching stroke lengths and related phases of the cycle, but just to reduce the sheer number of /moving parts/ in the engine itself is a big draw for me. Simpler tends to translate to more durable, and with fewer moving parts there should be less work lost to friction, less to need lubrication (Which could lead to a less complicated lubrication system, also a plus), and so on. "I think the reason they never caught on is complexity, which translatesinto cost. It's easier to make a matching block and head when all thecylinders line up, and the valve gear required in a barrel engine isjust awful. And the manifolding. the list goes on. You end up withan engine that's small in theory but has stuff sticking out all over."Well, from what I've read, the OP engine design doesn't have valves; At least none that I could see in the layout drawings. Seemed simpler to me, more in common with the two-stroke (Clark?) cycle than the Otto cycle. So your "valve timing" would be taken care of by your piston timing.. which is in turn controlled by your drive cams. The injector could be a DI-style sensor-fired high pressure injector; like I said, this one in particular seemed to lend itself well to a diesel process. With compression coming from both ends, it should be possible to ramp up the compression ratios even higher than normal, and the solid one-piece cams secured in the same direction as the piston force should be able to take the load much better than a perpendicularly secured crankshaft. What I see in my mind is almost a cylinder of tubes (The cylinders), with smaller tubes carring the intake air running in the front and smaller tubes for the exhaust running out the back end. (This would have to be changed for a turbocharged engine).Another wild idea; what if you put this barrel engine (The OP one) in place of the combustion chamber on a gas turbine? Exhaust flow turns a power turbine, which runs up a common shaft to turn a compressor to ramp up air pressure going into the cylinders. Might work, and make it easier to run it on a turbocharger without ducting and manifolding the airflows all over the place. The only place where that one runs into problems is when you try to figure out how to get the driveshaft power out through the turbine shaft. :p Which is where my poor tired brain breaks down. Peace out.-Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Very Dark Biodiesel, help needed.
Danislav, You wrote (Re: palm oil BD): .the glycerin layer separated nice and it washes easy BUT the product is very, very dark. Little lighter than the unprocessed palm oil. I would do a quality test on the BD (see JtF Quality Tests). I have no experience w. palm oil. I just washed and dried a 75L batch of oil that was very dark (black), but had no water in it and a low titration(1.3g lye/L). I needed a good light to tell the BD from the glycerine. It performed well on the test wash (shake test) and it washed easily (stir wash) w/o emulsion. The wash water was the same as usual: milky, then cloudy, then clear. The finished BD is darker than BD made from other WVO, but otherwise is clear. I did a quality test (reprocessed 1L) yesterday --- NO glycerine fell out. The BD will be in my car in the next few days. My dark oil was soy. It came from a Chinese restaurant where they stir-fry with soy sauce. I think that is why it is dark. I had been mixing my WVO, but decided run a batch of this particular oil to see if I could achieve a soy/teriyaki exhaust from the car. Tom - Original Message - From: Danislav Kostov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Very Dark Biodiesel, help needed. Hi! I visit journeytoforever site since 5-6 months and read and learn... I made some samples (2 to 10 l) of biodiesel using the start method, two-base method and foolproof method. Of course the first were very bad but after a few tries and re-reading everithing is OK. Now I have a little problem. I searched your mail archive and google and so on and did't find s.o. with my problem: A friend gave me used palm oil (he said it is palm oil used for pastry products - batter fried in deep oil at 170 deg.C). It is very dark brown, even not used. I made 2l sample. Everything seems OK: the glycerine layer separated nice and it washes easy BUT the product is very, very dark. Little lighter than the unprocessed palm oil. My previous batches were crystal-clear but this is little more ligther from the glycerine layer. I'm not sure that it's OK to be like that. That's why I write you and ask for help. Maybe s.o. else had the same results. Dani, Bulgaria. P.S.: The same was sent to Keith but I know that maybe there is no time to read everything so I decided to post it her too. - http://www.helikon.bg - Поръчай книги онлайн! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biogas in Nepal / BSP - Nepal Seeks a New Executive Director
From Clean Energy NEWS Vol. 5, Number 45, 18 October 2005 CE News is published weekly by Clean Energy Nepal. For more information on our campaign and back issues of CE News please log on to http://www.cen.org.np/ BSP - Nepal Seeks a New Executive Director Biogas Sector Partnership - Nepal (BSP - Nepal), the award winning NGO promoting biogas systems in Nepal is on the look out for an Executive Director to lead the organization. The candidate should have at least 35 years of age and have a Masters Degree and seven years of experience in a senior management position. For more information please contact, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BSP web site : www.bspnepal.org.np ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cargill To Open German Biodiesel Plant
From Clean Energy NEWS Vol. 5, Number 45, 18 October 2005 CE News is published weekly by Clean Energy Nepal. For more information on our campaign and back issues of CE News please log on to http://www.cen.org.np/ Cargill To Open German Biodiesel Plant International agricultural company Cargill, has announced plans to build a 25 million biodiesel plant in Germany. The plant will be built in the Hochst industrial park, about 30km from the company's oilseed crush plant in Mainz. More than 200,000 tonnes of fuel will be produced at the plant each year, creating fifteen new jobs. Construction is expected to begin toward the end of 2005 with production commencing in August 2006. The plant will turn vegetable oils into biodiesel. See also: www.cargill.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Not quite a direct answer to your questions, but one thing I've found very helpful when taking apart engines that I lack manuals for (or even ones that I have generic manuals for), is to take LOTS of digital pictures before ripping into it. Then you can refer to them when you are wondering exactly which vacuum hose goes where when reassembling it. Zeke On 10/20/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Piedmont Biofuels
I was wondering if there has been any research by you folks or others as to the emissions of SVO vs dyno vs biodiesel. My 79 MBZ burns fairly clean on 65% VO/35 dyno, but I feel it still smells more than it should and much more than a modern gasoline car. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Very Dark Biodiesel, help received ;)
I would do a quality test on the BD (see JtF Quality Tests). I did. The 'shake method' passed OK. I have no experience w. palm oil. I just washed and dried a 75L batch of oil that was very dark (black), but had no water in it and a low titration(1.3g lye/L). I needed a good light to tell the BD from the glycerine. It performed Me too 8-) well on the test wash (shake test) and it washed easily (stir wash) w/o emulsion. The wash water was the same as usual: milky, then cloudy, then clear. The finished BD is darker than BD made from other WVO, but otherwise is clear. I did a quality test (reprocessed 1L) yesterday --- NO glycerine fell out. The BD will be in my car in the next few days. I didn't test 'reprocess' yet. thank you, I'll do it. My dark oil was soy. It came from a Chinese restaurant where they stir-fry with soy sauce. I think that is why it is dark. I had been mixing my WVO, but decided run a batch of this particular oil to see if I could achieve a soy/teriyaki exhaust from the car. Tom THANK YOU TOM!!! Please drop a word when you test it in your car. I'll do this also. - http://www.helikon.bg - Поръчай книги онлайн! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
I know this looks like I am replying to my own post but this a reply from my newletter this morning. I found these links to be very helpful. I thought I would pass this along to others with diesel issues. Brian Rodgers Hi, Brian- I am not much of a mechanic. That disclaimer being issued, let me say this- White exhaust smoke can be and often is a symptom of a blown head gasket. White smoke can also be symptomatic of oil burning. White smoke from a blown head gasket is actually steam produced from coolant entering the combustion chamber(s). When you fired the Peugot up the first time, I put my hand in the white exhaust stream. It did not feel particularly humid, which it would if the white were due to billows of steam being produced. As I recall, the pungent stink of burning anti-freeze, which would be present if coolant was exiting the exhaust, was also missing. Moreover, in my limited experience, the white smoke from a blown head gasket does not go away when the engine warms up. Are there alternate hypotheses which would account for ballooning coolant hoses and white smoke on start-up? I can think of at least one, and I am no diesel guru. From what I recall of your coolant system, there was some conspicuously bass-ackwards backyard mechanicking done. E.G, The thermostat housing was entirely absent and the thermostat was jimmied into one of the coolant lines with hose clamps. So, it is at least possible that the hoses are ballooning because the coolant flow is obstructed either by crud deposits or by misadventures of improvised repair. If this were the case, I would look to the white smoke as being non-combusted fuel or possibly oil burning on start-up, unrelated to the coolant issue. Diesels often generate white smoke on start-up due to non-combusted fuel. Diesels, particularly those run on dino-diesel, are also prone to building up carbon deposits which can in turn cause low compression and even oil-burning due to loss of ring seal. Either of these could be your problem with the white smoke. If the problem is carbon build-up, it can often be addressed by running a can or two of diesel-purge directly through the injectors (not added to the gas tank) and driving the beast pedal-to-the-metal for a few thousand miles. See here- http://www.peemac.sdnpk.org/resource/fert/tips5.html and here http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/idi2.htm For info on diesels indicating that white smoke on start-up is most often caused by non-combusted fuel, low compression, etc. Not trying to be a know-it-all or tell you what to do, you are after all much more experienced with auto repair than am I. I have learned though, the hard way, that the road to simplicity and bliss in such matters lies in eliminating the easy stuff first. So maybe a prudent first step would be to restore the coolant system to its proper state, replacing the thermostat housing, checking the thermostat, flushing the system, checking how the lines are routed and replacing them as appropriate. You would need to do this at some point anyway. If this takes care of the coolant issue, then you will have saved yourself many hours of unnecessary aggravation. Regards, Lee ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Combustion
Brian Rodgers here. This short article was sent in to me by one of my newsletter readers. We say,Think global, act local. I am getting my readers to think biofuels. Combustion Our civilization relies on combustion. This has been the situation for the past several hundred thousand years, since people were in small groups of hunter-gatherers that used fire. Today there are sophisticated technologies to burn diverse types of substances that contain carbon with hydrogen. At one level combustion is analogous to the chemistry of living things. The process of respiration is a form of combustion under complex regulation by enzymes to keep it from getting too feverish. If the reaction happens too fast then the energy released will destroy cells. Both combustion and respiration follow this idealized general reaction: (CH2O)n + O2 → CO2 + H2O + energy , where (CH2O)n is a carbohydrate as a model compound. A material must be heated to initiate combustion. In respiration, enzymes lower the energy barrier to start the reaction. The problem is that this is an idealized reaction. Under most normal conditions, there are hundreds of other substances produced by incomplete combustion. Many of these chemicals are toxic and/or carcinogenic. One of the first chemicals directly linked to lung cancer was benzo-α-pyrene (BP). Chimney sweeps in London had a high rate of lung cancer and generally died in their 40's. BP was implicated in these lung cancer cases with animal tests in the early 1900's. BP is produced by combustion of coal, wood, petroleum and other organic materials (like tobacco). BP belongs to a class of organic chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or, PAHs. PAHs are common in many materials, including coal (anthracene), petroleum diesel (napthalene), and smokes from incomplete combustion. Certain PAHs are found in exhaust from vehicles. For instance, coronene (10 carbon ring) in air is directly related to the internal combustion engines operating in an area, but is not present in the fuel. Wood smoke typically contains more than 200 substances. Some of these substances are PAHs. Another set of chemicals are phenols and cresols, both of which are highly toxic. Then there are the dioxins and furans. One of the most toxic substances known to us is 2,3,7,8-tetracholoro-p-dibenzodioxin (TCDD). TCDD is the famous contaminant in Agent Orange of Vietnam fame. TCDD is a trace contaminant from the synthesis of 2,4,5-T. However, TCDD is also produced in combustion; and, can be found in wood stove chimneys, in automobile tailpipes, and on barbecued meat surfaces. Matter of fact, if you really want to make both your and your neighbor's soil toxic, just throw some PVC or plastic bags and table salt into the wood stove, and turn the damper way down. TCDD causes miscarriages and birth defects in laboratory animals, and causes a liver disorder in people (porphyria cutanea tarda) at high doses. The type of wood being burned in a community can be finger-printed by the profile of substances in the smoke. Wood burning is an important air pollution issue. Albuquerque and Bernalillo County are required to curtail wood burning when there are atmospheric inversions that trap the smoke near the ground and people. However, wood burning is not regulated per se, instead it's the amount of carbon monoxide produced during incomplete combustion that is. Population size also has an influence. For instance, Las Vegas with a population of about 16,000 and heavy wood smoke in the winter is considered too small in population to regulate to reduce health effects. However, EPA has forced certain areas with larger populations to curtail wood smoke production because of health effects. This is solved with the placement of catalytic converters on chimneys of wood burning stoves. Diesel motors do not fall under regulation for air pollution by EPA. This is largely from lobbying by the transportation industry which has successfully argued that air pollution controls on diesels will be burdensome on the industry. However, diesel motors produce high levels of PAHs, particulalry when they produce black smoke. Numerous studies have shown that exhaust from diesels is toxic to animals, and is carcinogenic. Whether this holds for biodiesel is another question because the chemistry of the fuel may be different from that of petroleum diesel. Crude oil contains high levels of PAHs. Crude oil is passed through catalytic crackers that crack PAH rings to form long chain hydrocarbons. The process does not destroy all the PAHs. The cracked oil is then distilled, where various cuts are taken for different fuel and product types. The highest boiling-point temperature substances, and first to condense at the bottom of a distillation column (first cut) are fuel and lubricant oils, like those used in motor oils, home heating, and ships. The next fraction taken is
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Zeke you are a wise man. Thank you for sharing. I will take this advise. Mucho gusto Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid
Hi,Ken Use soapy water or whatever liquid soap to prevent the silicon to glue where you don`t want to. Luck Rumen __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methanol and PVC compatability
I am trying to set up a methanol recovery still for my appleseed reactor and was wondering if a PVC tank made from a sealed 6 diameter tube would be acceptable. According to a chemical compatibility chart I found it says that PVC is okay to use with methanol but I wonder. Is the reason steel and not PVC recommended for the appleseed is because of the heat? In which case it should be okay for this application. I am planning on using a reversed compressor to provide the suction through the tank to copper tubing in cold water from the hotwater tank vent. Thanks for any thoughts and input. Steve __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
hi Zeke. I wasn't really I was in the autoparts store looking for Heet methanol and isopropyl alcohols when I spied the ethylene glycol and while standing there feeling like an outsider (everyone else in the store was going to use the products for its intended purpose) I am beginning to see past the labels and look at the ingredients. So, as I expand my awareness (thanks to this group) I go back to things I read here without being exactly able to recall details while in the aisles of the auto parts store. Vague recollections is about all that come to me and I am barely over fifty. To answer your question, if I haven't in a round about way already, I have no idea why I was asking about ethylene glycol. On an upbeat note this information about propylene glycol is very interesting as I have the coils of radiant floor heaters in my house and as yet have not hooked them up. I am waiting for inspiration to build a boiler for our wood fired space heater. Thanks for making another scratch to itch, I think. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
And unions haven't caused problems? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 22:39 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale Please don't shop at WarMart! Despite the problems with the labour movement, i think all of us progressives on this list would agree the hostility shown by WarMart against organized labour is downright unacceptable. At least up here in kanada ie, a Quebec WarMart store's employees voted this past summer to unionize, so the store simply closed down KF ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
Can anyone help Pat Delany with this interesting project? His website is here: http://Multimachine.net/ The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop Thanks, best wishes Keith Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vegetable oil for machining coolant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Kieth I have the site Multimachine.net and I run the Yahoo group multimachine. We have developed and built an All-in-One Machine Shop that is meant to be used in developing countries. The machine can can do all the kinds of operations that a regular machine shop does and can be totally built from the remains of a discarded truck and car. It requires no outside machining and takes just regular hand tools, a drill and a gringer to complete. We lack only a few things in the tooling department before the project can be said to be finished (if anything like this ever is). One of these things is a coolant to be used during drilling and milling. Could vegetable oil,lye and water, or something similar work? One of our group members thought that you would be the person to ask because of your experience witk bio-diesel. Pat Delany ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol and PVC compatability
I am trying to set up a methanol recovery still for my appleseed reactor and was wondering if a PVC tank made from a sealed 6 diameter tube would be acceptable. According to a chemical compatibility chart I found it says that PVC is okay to use with methanol but I wonder. Is the reason steel and not PVC recommended for the appleseed is because of the heat? In which case it should be okay for this application. I am planning on using a reversed compressor to provide the suction through the tank to copper tubing in cold water from the hotwater tank vent. Thanks for any thoughts and input. Steve Are you planning to recover the methanol at the end of the process before separating the by-product? You'll probably get a reverse reaction if you do. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
Keith, That link doesn't seem to work, Google recognises it but it won't load for me, shame - I'd be interested to see it. Best regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 20 October 2005 18:28 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant Can anyone help Pat Delany with this interesting project? His website is here: http://Multimachine.net/ The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop Thanks, best wishes Keith Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vegetable oil for machining coolant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Kieth I have the site Multimachine.net and I run the Yahoo group multimachine. We have developed and built an All-in-One Machine Shop that is meant to be used in developing countries. The machine can can do all the kinds of operations that a regular machine shop does and can be totally built from the remains of a discarded truck and car. It requires no outside machining and takes just regular hand tools, a drill and a gringer to complete. We lack only a few things in the tooling department before the project can be said to be finished (if anything like this ever is). One of these things is a coolant to be used during drilling and milling. Could vegetable oil,lye and water, or something similar work? One of our group members thought that you would be the person to ask because of your experience witk bio-diesel. Pat Delany ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
Try lower case characters in the link, some browsers are more easily confused than others... ;) doug swanson malcolm maclure wrote: Keith, That link doesn't seem to work, Google recognises it but it won't load for me, shame - I'd be interested to see it. Best regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 20 October 2005 18:28 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant Can anyone help Pat Delany with this interesting project? His website is here: http://Multimachine.net/ The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop Thanks, best wishes Keith Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vegetable oil for machining coolant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Kieth I have the site Multimachine.net and I run the Yahoo group multimachine. We have developed and built an All-in-One Machine Shop that is meant to be used in developing countries. The machine can can do all the kinds of operations that a regular machine shop does and can be totally built from the remains of a discarded truck and car. It requires no outside machining and takes just regular hand tools, a drill and a gringer to complete. We lack only a few things in the tooling department before the project can be said to be finished (if anything like this ever is). One of these things is a coolant to be used during drilling and milling. Could vegetable oil,lye and water, or something similar work? One of our group members thought that you would be the person to ask because of your experience witk bio-diesel. Pat Delany ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
a white marker pen! (mark the hoses etc with dots or a character if there is room) The other trick is to put the small parts in paper bags, that are marked with location. (This works well for things like injector pumps, or gearboxes that have shims, etc.) regards Doug. On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:55, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Not quite a direct answer to your questions, but one thing I've found very helpful when taking apart engines that I lack manuals for (or even ones that I have generic manuals for), is to take LOTS of digital pictures before ripping into it. Then you can refer to them when you are wondering exactly which vacuum hose goes where when reassembling it. Zeke On 10/20/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Another trick that I like (because I take a few months between taking something apart and putting it back together sometimes) is to lightly thread all the bolts for something back into the holes they came from right after I remove it. I can usually remember where the big pieces go, but it's harder to remember which particular bolt was holding it on. Or make sure you keep bolts with it, and label them well. On 10/20/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a white marker pen! (mark the hoses etc with dots or a character if there is room) The other trick is to put the small parts in paper bags, that are marked with location. (This works well for things like injector pumps, or gearboxes that have shims, etc.) regards Doug. On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:55, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Not quite a direct answer to your questions, but one thing I've found very helpful when taking apart engines that I lack manuals for (or even ones that I have generic manuals for), is to take LOTS of digital pictures before ripping into it. Then you can refer to them when you are wondering exactly which vacuum hose goes where when reassembling it. Zeke On 10/20/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Apparently I stirred up some interest with my posts to this group and the Peugeot-L group. Are there any Peugeot fans here who would like to see all of the great information in this afternoon? I am now one step closer to being a biodiesel man. And to think Keith called me scatterbrained. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Yep that's always a good plan too. Brian On 10/20/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another trick that I like (because I take a few months between taking something apart and putting it back together sometimes) is to lightly thread all the bolts for something back into the holes they came from right after I remove it. I can usually remember where the big pieces go, but it's harder to remember which particular bolt was holding it on. Or make sure you keep bolts with it, and label them well. On 10/20/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a white marker pen! (mark the hoses etc with dots or a character if there is room) The other trick is to put the small parts in paper bags, that are marked with location. (This works well for things like injector pumps, or gearboxes that have shims, etc.) regards Doug. On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:55, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Not quite a direct answer to your questions, but one thing I've found very helpful when taking apart engines that I lack manuals for (or even ones that I have generic manuals for), is to take LOTS of digital pictures before ripping into it. Then you can refer to them when you are wondering exactly which vacuum hose goes where when reassembling it. Zeke On 10/20/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Holy cow! I asked for it and I received a doozy. The pH meter the university lent me is a bit of overkill I should think. Tell me what you think. Sitting here on my desk is a Texas Instruments TI-83 Plus Silver edition. I already figured out to turn it on and off, pretty good, hey! It has a manual on CD five firewire ports and a fancy probe sitting in its own bath. AM I in for it with this thing? I mean, I want to do a good titration but really??? Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll
Thet were "lapbelts" in the 60's. We wore them. Most of my friends didn't. I had one friend get offended when I put mine on while in the passenger seat. His comment was: "I thought you trusted my driving" - I said, "I do, but if you are at a red light and someone plows into you from behind, what does that have to do with your driving skill? Are you going to look in the rear view mirrow and levitate over the car in front of you?" No response. I've always felt that any idea Detriot is dead set against means it must be a good one. It's a good way to judge whether or not the country should do it. CAFE, emissions, safety - the list goes on. I am not a big fan of "automotive black boxes" - I don't want my car spying on me. I'm not buying a new car because of it, or until I figure out how to disable it or crack it. -Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I completely agree with your first point that corporate welfare should be stopped. However, I have to disagree with you on your second point. Labor laws and government-mandated worker safety standards have had a crippling effect on many small-to-medium sized companies. Many of these regulations began as corporate-union concessions, or industry-standard committees. By the government stepping in and enacting regulations, both labor unions and corporate negotiators have lost much of their bargaining powers and industry participants have less and less say in how their industries should be operated. Also, while I agree you that market forces do not always choose the path that is best for everyone, consumer choice can be a powerful balancing weapons to keep those market forces on the right path. As a side note, both Ford and Chrysler began offering seat-belts in 1956 as a result of pressure from several industry groups, including the SAE and AMA. This was 5 years prior to the first seat-belt law (WI NY in 1961). And I know my family (and I'll bet your's too) didn't wear the seat belts in our cars until the late 1980's. Does this prove how ineffectual government safety regulations can be? You be the judge. Thanks, Earl Kinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "That government is best which governs least." -- Thomas Paine -- Check out my latest blogs at http://KinsleyForPrez08.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: "John E Hayes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Government meddling in a free-market economy is never a good thing. a) Well, removing the billions in corporate welfare the petroleum industry gets from the government might be a good place to start. Why ExxonMobil needs my tax dollars to fund RD when they had $25 billion dollars in profits last year, I don't really know. b) I disagree with your contention that the the government doesn't have a place in the market. First of all, laize-fair capitalism was rejected by the American people over a hundred years ago. We have labor laws and worker safety standards for a reason - a pure free market sucks for almost everybody except those at the very top/ Second, market forces will *not* always result in choices that are best for society as a whole. Without governmental regulations, we'd still be driving seatbelt-less, no-crumple zone cars powered with leaded gasoline. Free market ideologues always seem to ignore this little detail. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Novice questions on BD process
Hi All, I have been reading about BD for a long time, but finally got my feet wet a couple of days ago. I did get some production and it at least sort of passed the wash test. I have several questions if someone can help.I am using KOH. Does it carbonate like NaOH? It has been siting for al least a yr, supposedly in a sealed container, but is there any way to check and see if it has deteriorated. Is the methoxide stable enough to store for awhile in a sealed container? The universal processing temp seems to be 55 degrees C. Is that for saftey/handling reasons, best processing temp or what? When I made my little test batches,I used the blender method. I heated the oil to 55 degrees to start, but after I had processed it for 20 minutes, it was about 35 degrees C. Will that still work okay? For quality testing, the methanol test states that impurities will not disolve in th methanol. Are they FFA, unprocessed glycerides or?? I am looking forward to getting out of the novice stage, and gearing up to real production. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephen ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
If the question that is being asked is about using diesel ( bio or petrol) for cutting oil. Yes it can be used but, Coolant serves 2 purposes in machining. The first is to cool materials below any material - size or material property changing temperature. The second is to remove chips. That's it! There are special coolants (Vegetable or lard) for special materials (bronze) or unique situations but this is really on the extreme. straight oil is not normally used because of costs, straight water is not used because of rust. If this is for developing country use any fluid will work as long as the fluid is not explosive or cost prohibitive. If the question is concerning heat and explosion dangers. The ratio of air to fuel is a really good question That I cannot answer. Machining chip heat can exceed 1000 degrees F easily with a high performance machine tool and good conditions. Actually 5000 F is not at all unheard of when not using coolant on purpose with small chip loads and hard materials, highly specialized materials, * dull tools or tooling crashes. Depending on the volume of coolant and air ratio there could be trouble. Trouble only in extreme situations though, going by how I believe the machine will be used I feel the temps should be 500 F or less. Please contact me for any more info. Gary - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant Can anyone help Pat Delany with this interesting project? His website is here: http://Multimachine.net/ The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop Thanks, best wishes Keith Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vegetable oil for machining coolant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Kieth I have the site Multimachine.net and I run the Yahoo group multimachine. We have developed and built an All-in-One Machine Shop that is meant to be used in developing countries. The machine can can do all the kinds of operations that a regular machine shop does and can be totally built from the remains of a discarded truck and car. It requires no outside machining and takes just regular hand tools, a drill and a gringer to complete. We lack only a few things in the tooling department before the project can be said to be finished (if anything like this ever is). One of these things is a coolant to be used during drilling and milling. Could vegetable oil,lye and water, or something similar work? One of our group members thought that you would be the person to ask because of your experience witk bio-diesel. Pat Delany ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol and PVC compatability
No, I understand I need to drain off the fuel first to the wash tank and then recover the methanol from the glycerol by product only. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to set up a methanol recovery still for my appleseed reactor and was wondering if a PVC tank made from a sealed 6 diameter tube would be acceptable. According to a chemical compatibility chart I found it says that PVC is okay to use with methanol but I wonder. Is the reason steel and not PVC recommended for the appleseed is because of the heat? In which case it should be okay for this application. I am planning on using a reversed compressor to provide the suction through the tank to copper tubing in cold water from the hotwater tank vent. Thanks for any thoughts and input. Steve Are you planning to recover the methanol at the end of the process before separating the by-product? You'll probably get a reverse reaction if you do. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] (no subject)
hi biofuelrs im Marty from Ketucky i have a 2005 chevy durmax diesel truck i was planning to run b100 in the manual recomends 5% i was wondering if anyone new if i needed to change gaskets of somthing to run it dont want to ruin it and i have a another question i am doing some contract work a peater Creamer they make Biodiesel there and have 275 gallon tote of it would th simple water test be good. i dont want to use junk!, by the way i got some barrels fome there that contanded white potrol greise how clean dose it need to be to use as a storage drum without efiecting the process. sorry about the spelling any advice would be greatly appreacated thankyou _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
As a mater of fact I use a vegetable base coolant for our steel saws. It goes under the trade name of aculube there are different grades. I will get the # and get back to you with more info. Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of des Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:43 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant Try lower case characters in the link, some browsers are more easily confused than others... ;) doug swanson malcolm maclure wrote: Keith, That link doesn't seem to work, Google recognises it but it won't load for me, shame - I'd be interested to see it. Best regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 20 October 2005 18:28 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant Can anyone help Pat Delany with this interesting project? His website is here: http://Multimachine.net/ The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop Thanks, best wishes Keith Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vegetable oil for machining coolant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Kieth I have the site Multimachine.net and I run the Yahoo group multimachine. We have developed and built an All-in-One Machine Shop that is meant to be used in developing countries. The machine can can do all the kinds of operations that a regular machine shop does and can be totally built from the remains of a discarded truck and car. It requires no outside machining and takes just regular hand tools, a drill and a gringer to complete. We lack only a few things in the tooling department before the project can be said to be finished (if anything like this ever is). One of these things is a coolant to be used during drilling and milling. Could vegetable oil,lye and water, or something similar work? One of our group members thought that you would be the person to ask because of your experience witk bio-diesel. Pat Delany ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
Forget about the libricant, I want to know how to build one! I can only think of a few simple projects for this thing off-hand but, I could definitely come up with a few more. Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)
Pay attention whether or not using B100 will avoid the truck's warranty. PJW - Original Message - From: Marty Goshorn To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) hi biofuelrsim Marty from Ketucky i have a 2005 chevy durmax diesel truck i was planning to run b100 in the manual recomends 5% i was wondering if anyone new if i needed to change gaskets of somthing to run it dont want to ruin it and i have a another question i am doing some contract work a peater Creamer they make Biodiesel there and have 275 gallon tote of it would th simple water test be good. i dont want to use junk!, by the way i got some barrels fome there that contanded white potrol greise how clean dose it need to be to use as a storage drum without efiecting the process. sorry about the spelling any advice would be greatly appreacated thankyou_Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Starting at Square One
Right, so.
Having been informed with better knowledge.
Having armed myself with better equipment, a better mindset, and more free time with less stress.
I'm starting back over at square one, folks. :p
My initial batches, the ones made with the 2g increment
scale and the original volumetric method I improvised, are utterly worthless as fuel. They're sitting in a five gallon
bucket off to one side, full of sodium hydroxide and who knows what
else.
This leaves me with a 500mL test batch that I made via a slightly refined version of my volumetric
method, and a 2L test batch that I made using the scale and the
standard measured out 3.5g/L oil. Both were made with virgin, unused
cooking oil from the store, and both were measured out on the dryest
day I could find in a plastic bag.
The volumetric batch shake-tested fine (With room temp water, ~70F on
the day I did it). I say fine, as it didn't emulse, but it did go from
a beautiful clear yellow-amber color to a hazy yellowish. Washing 300mL
of it has produced hazy wash water and hazy yellow product. Heating it
clears it up almost instantly (Only have to raise it to around 80F or
so, not much), but as soon as it cools it hazes again just as quickly.
The other batch I just finished mixing yesterday, in a two-gallon
bucket with a paint mixer. I had problems dissolving all of the
hydroxide in the methanol, so I let it go for a full 28 hours before
adding it in, to make certain none of the NaOH settled back out. It was
a little hazy, but nothing settled so I figured it was good.
It's currently settling in a five gallon bucket (Work goes through them
at a rate of about 5-8 buckets a week, we get pickles shipped to us in
them. Anyone in the area need lots of buckets? We have a whole pile of
them out behind our store, city trash won't take them), I plan on
drawing some out and shake-testing it later tonight. I'm hoping,
fingers crossed and all that, that it won't turn out badly.
Volumetric batch:
500mL Virgin cooking oil
100mL Methanol (HEET fuel dryer, methanol type)
1.75g NaOH (Red Devil lye)
The lye came out to be .833 mL of lye, taking eight of my little
scoops. It's tedious, I'm telling you. I'll probably lay that
experimentation aside until I go to larger, less accuracy needed
batches where it will make easier measuring to weight. Then it's
experimentation time again, just because it interests me. Mixed it up
in a quart-size mason jar using a hot-water bath to keep it to
temperature.
Scaled batch:
2000 mL virgin cooking oil
400mL Methanol (Same as above)
7g NaOH (Same)
Mixed up in a 2~ish gallon bucket (We also generate these at work,
though only one every few weeks or so) with a paint mixer run through
the lid by a corded drill, then the whole mess decanted into a spare
five gallon bucket for settling.
So, yeah. Starting over starts now. Any suggestions or commentary on these two would be muchly appreciated.
Also, does anyone on the list have any experience at all with the Isuzu
I-mark diesel car? I'm somewhat kinda/sorta flirting with the idea of
bidding on the one currently up for sale in NC on E-bay, if I can
convince my parents to help finance the venture {It's a wonderful
thing, still being able to get loans through the parents. More flexible
payback schedules, for one thing. ;)} and we go and check it out first.
Just wondering if anyone on the list has had good/bad experiences with
it. The shifter looks a little funky from the pictures, almost like it
shifts perpendicular to the floor.
Peace out.
-Kurt
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