Re: [Biofuel] A new website
If anyone has had difficulties loading a distro, I'd like to make a high recommendation for Ubuntu. My company just gave us new Dell D610 laptops and the latest Ubuntu loaded right up! I'm very impressed with this distro! Formerly I had run run Debian on the old laptop. I currently run Mandrake 9.1 at home and will upgrade to Ubuntu when I get back. My home PC is strictly Linux. Doug Foskey wrote: Rafal, congratulations on being part of the Samba team! I am constantly amazed how many Biodiesel list members are involved with Open Source software. A comment to others on Linux: there is now a move by the major Linux developers to standardise the way that Linux is seen by programs, so the old issues of differing packages for different flavours of Linux will then be a thing of the past. The common Linux desktop is ever closer. regards Doug On Thursday 27 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:08:26PM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Liquid-liquid separator
Try talking to; Jeff Hinman Pacific Centrifuge, LLC. 360 629-6990 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rumen Slavov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:14 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Liquid-liquid separator Hi,all, It seems I can get a new toy-a navy fuel purificator,which is a kind of centrifuge,used to separate water from the fuel. Has anyone have an idea how to use the separator in the BD processing?Is it suitable for filtering the WVO?Can I use it to avoid settling periods or even washing?The thing is really massive and makes 4000-12000 RPM,continuous feeding. Any suggestions,guys? Keith? Best, Rumen __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Liquid-liquid separator
How much was it and can I get one? Yes I know how to use it. Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi,all, It seems I can get a new toy-a navy fuel purificator,which is a kind of centrifuge,used to separate water from the fuel. Has anyone have an idea how to use the separator in the BD processing?Is it suitable for filtering the WVO?Can I use it to avoid settling periods or even washing?The thing is really massive and makes 4000-12000 RPM,continuous feeding. Any suggestions,guys? Keith? Best, Rumen __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] energy harvesters extract power from light, vibrations
Energy harvesters extract power from light, vibrations Harvesting ambient energy from light or vibrational sources can free power-miserly designs from traditional power lines and batteries http://www.edn.com/article/CA6275407.html?industryid=2816 Many systems, such as tiny wireless-networked sensor nodes and low-cost calculators for the consumer market, have severely constrained power sources resulting from remote location, cost considerations, portability requirements, or other factors. In addition, the move toward wireless communications, which obsoletes many system cables, makes designers want to further untether systems from power cords and recharge units using energy harvesters. These small devices convert the freely available energy inherent in most operating environments into conditioned electrical power. The most common energy harvesters are based on small solar cells or electromagnetic devices that convert mechanical vibrations. Energy harvesters also find use in environments that have ready access to power lines, such as factory floors. Roy Freeland, chief executive officer of energy-harvester vendor Perpetuum, points out that initial installation can be a significant portion of system costs for networked machinery monitors. The cost of taking that factory power and wiring it up to the sensor and transmitter accounts for about 80% of the cost of installing condition-monitoring equipment. In contrast, the installation of self-contained power units with magnetic holders involves only walking up to a machine and snapping the unit in place. Batteries also can free a system from a power cord but at the cost of limiting the system's service-free life. After two years of usage, a vibrational energy harvester is a superior source to a lithium battery . If your application's lifetime is 10 years or longer, a vibrational or a solar source is superior to any battery technology. Labor costs can add a prohibitive premium to the system's lifetime-ownership cost, so just changing the battery is not an option. On the downside, systems relying on harvested energy must operate on a bare minimum of power. Wolfgang Heller, PhD, product-line manager for wireless-sensor manufacturer EnOcean, cautions against trying to design a wireless-sensor network separately from the power source. We've had discussions with customers who have their own radio and want to buy just the energy harvester. It always turns out that the radio they have consumes 100 or 1000 times more energy per bit transmitted than our design. It's not feasible to use these tiny energy harvesters with any other radio. EnOcean offers network nodes that can receive power from several types of energy harvesters, including light-switch actuators, linear-motion converters, mechanical vibration, thermal gradients, and the sun. EnOcean's PTM 200 light-switch actuator integrates a relay with a magnet and a coil, so that moving the switch to turn the light on or off changes the flux through the coil, generating a voltage. The switch module wirelessly transmits the on/off command to the room light. This information is useful in a smart building (Reference 2). It also can drastically reduce the wiring labor costs for a building. When the room lights are all under a local wireless network, installing them does not require an electrician. Thermal-gradient-powered devices are candidates for industrial applications in which the production processes produce heat. Thermal-powered harvesters should become commercially available within six months. Off the grid EnOcean also makes solar-powered STM100 network nodes. The modules have a two-section solar cell; one section is larger than the other. The smaller section charges a small capacitor that powers the sensor and RF circuitry during quick-start/wake-up mode. The larger section charges an ultracapacitor that powers the system during periods of darkness. Says Heller, If we had only one solar-cell section, it would take hours to start up because the ultracapacitor needs more time to achieve the necessary voltage level. So, we power the quick-start mode with the smaller part of the solar cell, and then we achieve several days of operation in darkness. EnOcean's solar-powered modules use a polycrystalline solar cell. Polycrystalline cells convert solar energy to electric power at an efficiency of 11 to 16% and are familiar sights on residential and industrial off-the-grid solar-panel systems. Another popular type of solar cell is amorphous silicon, but its efficiency is only 8%, or about half that of polycrystalline. Besides being less efficient, amorphous-silicon cells' conversion efficiency degrades 15 to 35% per year in direct sunlight. Despite these significant drawbacks, amorphous cells are popular because they cost about an order of magnitude less than polycrystalline cells÷a significant advantage in high-volume consumer
Re: [Biofuel] Liquid-liquid separator
very cool there should be a single inlet and 2 outlets the one of the two outlets is from the center/top of solution ( when you spin you form a funnel the inside has the less dense liquid) ant the other the outside /bottom. you will be able to seperate water from oil and possible glycerine from BD. The latter being a way to force the reation to completion faster and the latter a way to speed rinsing Where did yu get it and how much? Original Message Follows From: Rumen Slavov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Liquid-liquid separator Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Hi,all, It seems I can get a new toy-a navy fuel purificator,which is a kind of centrifuge,used to separate water from the fuel. Has anyone have an idea how to use the separator in the BD processing?Is it suitable for filtering the WVO?Can I use it to avoid settling periods or even washing?The thing is really massive and makes 4000-12000 RPM,continuous feeding. Any suggestions,guys? Keith? Best, Rumen __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One
So it's back to local resources, which seem for the most part to be primarily diesel trucks of the heavy variety. Ick. However. Does anyone here know if I can fit a Mercedes diesel engine under a Volvo body? I can get a Mercedes parts car, I believe with the I4 diesel from the early Eighties, and I can also get a Volvo body style and transmission preference. Has anyone else on the list ever done a conversion from gas to diesel across brands? I'm fairly mechanically competent, I'm just trying to decide if it would be worth it in the end or if I should instead go with trying to fix up one of the cheaper ones and just deal with driving something not quite to my liking. If nothing else it would be a challenge, which can be good or bad. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method Sent: 27 Oct '05 16:16 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul S Cantrell wrote: The last 2 elections would have probably gone the other way if it were simple majority. I think the concerns over time zones and the like could be worked out and we might have more than 2 twin parties. Personally, I think some simple changes would fix a lot of what is currently borked in the US political system. Debates for instance, pretty much all public debating (meaning televised) is done of, by and for the Twin Partys. This should cease immediately. This much of the system process would be well served by true open debate, including by design third or fringe party candidates. I think this alone would be easy to handle under law. I think it could make a huge difference. I concurr that the electoral college system is also borked, however, the simple majority system is also deeply flawed. Folks try to look at things as if there were red and blue states (because it's the state vote that counts). But it isn't red and blue states, it's urban vs rural. http://brianhayes.com/2005/09/red-blue-rural-urban.html in a popular election, the urbanites would win outright. Policy would be set by those living furthest from the elemental necessities of existance. blah blah blah. The Twin Party system is very much a very real problem. imho, the democrats have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a life that I know little of. The republicans have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a power structure that has no grasp on what the philosophic common man has to face in day to day life, AT ALL. The Libertarians (with a capitol L) have become the party of I've got mine, and whatever I do to keep it is okay, you don't matter, at all. America, the US, is hardly a united states at all. It is a chain (as it's nicely worded in the Urban Archipelago) of islands. I'm just old enough to have spent a few formative years hitchhiking around America, in some ways too many years, in other ways, not enough. But in those days people still hitchhiked, and still met all kinds of folks. Now, no one hitchhikes, but everyone jabbers on cellphones, ignoring the person standing next to them in line. blah blah blah. - -- Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Democracy
But are you saying that a dictatorship is better than a democracy, if the majority of the people don't agree with us? Nope. What I'm saying is: When the gods want to punish us, they answer our prayers. Zeke Yewdall wrote: viz straight represetative democracy - be careful what you wish for. If Saudi Arabia had a pure representational system they'd wind up with a far more radical Wahab state. Well, that would not be so good for the US I agree. But are you saying that a dictatorship is better than a democracy, if the majority of the people don't agree with us? That is exactly what Muslims have learned: democracy means will of the people, as long as that will isn't to become a religious state. Back in Algeria in the 60's, and continuing on till today. I've talked to a number of arabs who hate the US and Europe promoting democracy, because they know that we don't really mean it. Perhaps why the wahabists enjoy such support in Saudi Arabia now? Besides, the religious fundamentalists are succeeding in taking power just as well here as in the middle east. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Democracy
Nope. What I'm saying is: When the gods want to punish us, they answer our prayers. Touche... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
That explains why all of the exit polls showed Kerry a clear leader, and when W was told he was losing in the exit polls he showed no sign of reaction. - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: [Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method Sent: 27 Oct '05 16:16 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul S Cantrell wrote: The last 2 elections would have probably gone the other way if it were simple majority. I think the concerns over time zones and the like could be worked out and we might have more than 2 twin parties. Personally, I think some simple changes would fix a lot of what is currently borked in the US political system. Debates for instance, pretty much all public debating (meaning televised) is done of, by and for the Twin Partys. This should cease immediately. This much of the system process would be well served by true open debate, including by design third or fringe party candidates. I think this alone would be easy to handle under law. I think it could make a huge difference. I concurr that the electoral college system is also borked, however, the simple majority system is also deeply flawed. Folks try to look at things as if there were red and blue states (because it's the state vote that counts). But it isn't red and blue states, it's urban vs rural. http://brianhayes.com/2005/09/red-blue-rural-urban.html in a popular election, the urbanites would win outright. Policy would be set by those living furthest from the elemental necessities of existance. blah blah blah. The Twin Party system is very much a very real problem. imho, the democrats have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a life that I know little of. The republicans have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a power structure that has no grasp on what the philosophic common man has to face in day to day life, AT ALL. The Libertarians (with a capitol L) have become the party of I've got mine, and whatever I do to keep it is okay, you don't matter, at all. America, the US, is hardly a united states at all. It is a chain (as it's nicely worded in the Urban Archipelago) of islands. I'm just old enough to have spent a few formative years hitchhiking around America, in some ways too many years, in other ways, not enough. But in those days people still hitchhiked, and still met all kinds of folks. Now, no one hitchhikes, but everyone jabbers on cellphones, ignoring the person standing next to them in line. blah blah blah. - -- Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
The reaction works by replacing one alcohol with another in Fats you have glycerol which has 3 alcohol groups which are attached to 3 fatty acids when you react an alcohol with a acid you get an ester it is call a transesterification because you substitute one alcohol for another since the alkanes you mentioned do not have an alcohol group you could not use them doing the transesterification reaction. if you could catalytically oxidize to form a alcohol ... (oxidize alkane think explosion or fire) them maybe. Original Message Follows From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:15:35 +0300 Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
methane, propane etc. are hydrocarbons. You need alcohols for a transesterification reaction. Sorry, they won't work Teoman Naskali wrote: Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. This is being parroted way out of context. The CEO of Diebold was chairman of some committee - I forget whether it was the Republican party or a re-election committee - that was working on re-electing Bush. He was clearly speaking in this capacity. Yes, he should have known better than to utter something like that, but surrounded by fellow Republicans at a re-election rally it's understandable. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. My take on the last election is that if something happened to steal the election it was likely done at the central points that tallied votes from voting machines all over - optically scanned systems as well as the paperless blackboxes. Anyone interested in knowing more should surf on over to http://blackboxvoting.org/ and get a good background. BTW, if anyone has the exit polls of the 2004 presidential election before the polling organization corrected them to match the reported vote totals, please contact me off-list. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass for fuel
.. all well good; but i've read (somewhere) that Butanol is greatly superior to ethanol as a fuel in IC engines; that it is more eco-friendly; that it can be produced from biomass, but the process is somewhat more difficult than ethanol production .. anyone into this area of investigation? --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason and Katie wrote: having read this article, i seem to be missing some of the math... this miscanthus is a rhizome, correct? and like other rhizomes (i.e. strawberries) there is a good sized chunk of sugars and other carbon based items stored in the root/stem system, also correct? so that would imply that it STORES carbon and does not reintroduce all of it when burned, because it stays in the field as the jump start for the next growing season. am i correct in this extrapolation? It sounds that way to me and the math I wondered about is tonnage or tons compared to tonnes. The 25 ton/acre or 60 tonnes/hectare from Giant Miscanthus compared to corn grain and corn stover yields sounds pretty good if I look only at the high end of the 10-30 tons per acre dry weight each year. This makes me wonder about the dry ton yield per acre for cellulosic ethanol compared to switchgrass or corn or sugar cane. Biofuels and Agriculture A Factsheet for Farmers 4 page, 584k PDF ftp://bioenergy.ornl.gov/pub/pdfs/farmerfactsheet.pdf - A bushel of corn (56 lb or 25 kg) yields about 2.5 US gallons (9.5 liters) of ethanol - A ton (2000 lb or 980 kg) of corn stover will yield about 80-90 US gallons (300-340 liters) of ethanol, - A ton of switchgrass will yield in the range 75-100 US gallons (285-380 liters) Biofuels from Switchgrass: Greener Energy Pastures http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/switgrs.html Bransby's 6-year average, 11.5 tons a year, translates into about 1,150 gallons of ethanol per acre. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel plants in Singapore
Hi, Suddenly out of the blue, we are going to have two companies in Singapore producing biodiesel for Europe. Hopefully we may have access to it in future. Article from Green Car Congress: Singapore Gets its First Two Biodiesel Plants October 26, 2005 Two separate ventures announced plans to build biodiesel plants in Singapore, the first such there. Most of the output is intended for export. Both plants will be built on Jurong Island, Singapore’s petrochemicals hub. The Cremer Gruppe will invest up to S$34 million (US$20.1 million) in a plant with a capacity of 200,000 metric tons, and expects it to be online by the end of the first quarter in 2007. The company plans two additional plants within five years. The second biodiesel plant, with a capacity of 150,000 metric tons, is a joint venture between Wilmar Holdings and Archer Daniels Midland Company. Wilmar plans to invest S$50 million (US$30 million) and have the plant operational by the end of 2006. The plant can support a doubling of its capacity to 300,000 tonnes per year. From Singapore, the plants will have easy access to palm oil feedstock from Malaysia and Indonesia. [This e-mail is confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify us immediately; you should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you.] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Democracy
ahhh .. Mr. Rogers w/attitude .. can I be your neighbor? I live in W's brother's fiefdom now .. don't mind the sound of an axe, want a garden - and a field of switchgrass, maybe .. be glad to share the produce! room for a wind turbine, andsome PV technology would be nice, too :-) --- Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: viz straight represetative democracy - be careful what you wish for. If Saudi Arabia had a pure representational system they'd wind up with a far more radical Wahab state. Look at California's referendum system - it's out of control. It's created an ungovernable state. Looks at Arizona's you pay no school taxes if you're over a certain age measure. Great - I got my free education the hell with you. Just keep paying my social security. Presumably we elect leaders to make decision in the best interest of the governed. I don't know that the founders ever expected the voters to be so apathetic and so easily fooled. And no, I don't think ANY of my neighbors would give up ANYTHING so that others might have a bit more. In fact, I'm amazed at the lengths they will go to to try to make me comply with their notion of what's proper. No woodstoves No older cars (yes, it looks fine, it's just an '89) Quotes: That garden really looks out of place - you're not going to do that every year, are you? Yes, I am. I wish you'd get rid of that woodpile, and it's noisy when you split wood. Awww the list goes on... Zeke Yewdall wrote: What if we had a voting sytem like American Idol, where people can text message their votes every night Sort of scary. But is it scarier to think of a democracy where the average person could vote on each issue, or one where as many people follow TV shows as care about their actual government On 10/27/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well time for a new thread I guess cause we are a long way off topic. I think you are right Zeke it's hard not to draw certain conclusions about the people who put these monsters in office. The problem is it's like going shopping. You think you have choice but then you find out your money goes to the same people at the top regardless of the choices you thought you made. The real problem is that the american lifestyle is not negotiable. How many here would willingly give up a bunch of affluence and convenience so that things might be a little more even in the world? Most of them are too busy trying to catch the carrot on a stick. Even when the government gives aid don't the farmers and shipping companies expect to be paid handsomley in the deal? So what really is the will of it's people that the government should reflect? Or is it really already doing that but in a way that upsets people but is really the only way left to maintain it? The oil is necessary to maintain the american lifestyle. Control of world economy is ideal to this plan even if it means doing dirty things that aren't right. People are told they have democracy and they believe it but as you said voting once every four years is hardly democratic. Representative governance works for the rich and hopefully they can take everyone along for the ride (because they need them). Boy they must have some real belly laughs in private when they think about the common man and the illusion of freedom and democracy. I wonder what things would look like if we had a real democratic system. If every important decision was put to a vote, sure it would slow things down but hell a lot of people I talk to seem to think things are 'progressing' -and I hate to use that term, too quickly anyways. Surely electronic voting could make a system of national (and god forbid should I be so bold as to suggestinternational) referendum possible. I know that only a tiny fraction of the world is on the web in terms of it's population but that does not mean that people could not have acces to a voting terminal. That must be a very scary thought. Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: Sometimes I wonder if the rest of the world understands that all americans don't support GW and his policies though... After all, we claim to be a democracy, so therefore, shouldn't the government by nature reflect the will of it's people. In reality, only my congressional representative actualy represents me, but neither of my senators does, nor my president or vice president. I actually voted, but I effectively have almost no vote in our government. Our system is set up for rule by a very narrow majority with no effective minority voice. But if you listen to our rhetoric abroad, it's easy to forget this. Zeke On 10/26/05, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems you are intent on grouping all Americans as one. Yes, It looks that way, doesn't it? So, I will explain. Usually, I try not to generalize because it
Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One
Might be easier to just put the volvo diesel in it. From what I understand, the volvo 2.4 liter diesel was just a 6 cylinder version of the 1.6 used in all the VW stuff, made by VW/Audi so alot of parts are interchangeable. I agree, it would be challenge though. I tried putting a VW diesel in a subaru, and still haven't given up, although it's on the back burner for a while. Zeke On 10/27/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In update news, I didn't even end up bidding on the I-Mark in the end. So it's back to local resources, which seem for the most part to be primarily diesel trucks of the heavy variety. Ick. However. Does anyone here know if I can fit a Mercedes diesel engine under a Volvo body? I can get a Mercedes parts car, I believe with the I4 diesel from the early Eighties, and I can also get a Volvo body style and transmission preference. Has anyone else on the list ever done a conversion from gas to diesel across brands? I'm fairly mechanically competent, I'm just trying to decide if it would be worth it in the end or if I should instead go with trying to fix up one of the cheaper ones and just deal with driving something not quite to my liking. If nothing else it would be a challenge, which can be good or bad. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor
In my area there are lots of abandoned hot tubs on the side of the road during area clean up the local landfill would surly have a few the motors would be good ill bet. Good luck Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:32 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor Hi Ken Keith said: Frankly, Ken, I'm not that interested in whether it could or not. Improvise, sure, go ahead, best of good luck and all, but motors are common enough aren't they? Why not just use a motor? Well, while motors are common enough buying the motor off the shelf instead of the pump will cost me atleast twice as much. I think free motors should be common enough too, lots of things you can salvage a motor from, some might be TEFC. What gets junked that uses TEFC motors but it's not usually the motor failing that gets it junked? On the other hand if you get it to work that's great. Whatever, I can't see why you think I might want to bet on it. You asked if it's TEFC, I told you it is and pointed you to some information on its pumping limits, and so? Absolutely! I don't want to bet on it. That's why I'm asking questions. I'm trying to raise a family and do the right things. $50 is not much on the grand scale but $50 here or there is all together different. And, as I've mentioned in the past, everything that I'm doing, I want to be able help others with. That pump at Harbor Freight is something that seems readily available at an affordable price. The TEFC motor (again, off the shelf) is not quite as affordable. I'm here to tell you, though, if I can save myself, a friend or someone else who may be following the thread 50 bucks, I'm gonna do it. In as globally friendly manner as possible, of course. Absolutely to you too, and strength to yer arm withal. I didn't want to put on one side or the other on whether it'll work or not. I'll more than likely buy the motor that I found but, test the improvised motor taken from the pump, when I can afford it, later. Take care, Ken And you, good luck Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
How would you react the solution with the gas? Teoman Naskali wrote: Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One
Might be easier to just put the volvo diesel in it.From what Iunderstand, the volvo 2.4 liter diesel was just a 6 cylinder versionof the 1.6 used in all the VW stuff, made by VW/Audi so alot of partsare interchangeable. That's the other thing. I can find a Mercedes diesel around here, but so far the Volvo Diesels I've seen are sold by the time I get to them. And there aren't that many of them. I'd gladly do that if I could find one, be much simpler. Though perhaps I should look for the 1.6L VW diesel? New option. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Coalescing Filter for de-watering
Has anyone tried using a coalescing filter to de-water feedstock? A local WVO user that I stumbled across is using one to de-water his oil. I've seen claims of coalescing filters removing water down to 10ppm. That could potentially be a significant energy savings. From the operational diagrams that I've seen, I can see no reason why I couldn't by a replacement element and build a very simple canister around it. Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Information need about processor
Hi, I hope you doing good. I will build a processor. I would like to describe it to you and have your opinion on if it's going to be working good or if it miss something. I've attack a picture with the mail. The processor will be made of four metal can, if I'm not wrong, it's 20 liter each. They will stand one on top of each other. So first of all, I pour the oil into the filter. Then a pump get the oil on the top one. Then it's heat until there is no more water into it. After the water is out, the heat drop to 65 degC and the lye and methanol is add. A pump will gently take the oil from the bottom and take it back to the top. When the reaction is complete, the heater stop, the pump too and it settle for like an hour. When the mix is split, I pour glycrine in the bottom can and the methylester on the middle one. I wash the biodiesel twice. (Should I install a pump here to shake the oil violently here while it's being wash?) (also, what do I do with this water?) For the glycerine, what do I do to purify it? Of course, Each component is link with the methanol recuperator. So this is the processor I would like to build. Also, what metal can I use for the piping. For exemple, when I link the reactor with the washing tank with some pipe, does the pipe need to be in cupper...aluminium...steel...which material is ok? And if I weld this pipe to the reactor using metal I melt with a torch (plumbing welding), what kind of metal can I use? Thank you for the help. _ Des mcanismes de contrle parental puissants permettent votre enfant de dcouvrir tout ce quâInternet a offrir. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-capage=features/parental Commencez ds maintenant profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
Evergreen Solutions wrote: my name is now officially "people"Are you saying that I should address each person individially, or that maybe you're interested? im interested...Very. i can't get lye anywhere other than the hardware store, and who knows when they'll run out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
i would be more than happy to use Linux, but i dont have the time to sit down and LEARN it. all the coding options and different ways to configure it, i would definitely spend as much time repairing my mistakes as i would configuring my computer, and quite frankly, if i want to do that, i'd have to take a years vacation. it may even be completely idiot proof, but im just that special kind of idiot that manages to find a way to screw it up. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor
Keith said: I think free motors should be common enough too, lots of things you can salvage a motor from, some might be TEFC. What gets junked that uses TEFC motors but it's not usually the motor failing that gets it junked? I've been considering the exact same question. I haven't come up with the answer yet though. Let me know if you think of something, I'll do the same. Take care, Ken is size a problem? don't grain elevators use TEFC motors? but they are absolutely Gia-normous monsters, size wise and hp as well, anywhere from 1 to 10hp and usually the size of a vanity wastebasket, and VERY heavy. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One
Yeah. The volvo diesels are pretty rare compared to the Mercs. There's an old diesel jetta for sale on ebay right now. I was just there looking for a 1.6 diesel engine actually. Z On 10/27/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/27/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might be easier to just put the volvo diesel in it. From what I understand, the volvo 2.4 liter diesel was just a 6 cylinder version of the 1.6 used in all the VW stuff, made by VW/Audi so alot of parts are interchangeable. That's the other thing. I can find a Mercedes diesel around here, but so far the Volvo Diesels I've seen are sold by the time I get to them. And there aren't that many of them. I'd gladly do that if I could find one, be much simpler. Though perhaps I should look for the 1.6L VW diesel? New option. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Democracy
We touched on this once before. We discussed other examples of democracy and one thatI mentioned,which includes referendums on almost everything, is Switzerland. You can't even build or add to a house without the community's approval. Although some individual freedom is sacrificed, it certainly works for them. City planning is amazingly well organized. By the way, although the nomenclature changes, Switzerland has the equivalent of SEVEN presidents in what we might call it's executive branch. Mike Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting case in point is the small town that I'm moving to. Back in the 70's they set up their own participatory democracy (not arepresentative democracy), and basically succeeded from countycontrol. They have their own building department, water board, etc. Only 60 some people live there full time. However now, 30 yearslater, the biggest problem they have is apathy. They can't even get15% of the town to regularly show up for community meetings, which iswhere they're supposed to decide stuff. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
As of right now I think I'm going to do them via e-bay, as a security function for all involved, unless someone has a better idea. We have a site, but it's very VERY unfinished, I don't want a buy here link to look shady. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] peugeot FI pump
i saw one available PEUGEOT FUEL INJECTION DIESEL PUMP in Edmonton, Canada, and thought i'd post it here in case someone needs it and it may be difficult to find? i've read valuable info from this mailing list, and i hope this is useful. The seller's phone number is (in Canada) 780.434.4623 after 6pm (GMT-7 i think) . I saw the ad in a local buy and sell paper. Cheers to everybody for their efforts, i am in the process of building a shop to make my own fuel, in the Rocky Mountains. I wanna power my 85 naturally aspired diesel jetta with it. It's an awesome car about to get even better. Geoffrey ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Coalescing Filter for de-watering
Ken Racor diesel filter works very well Dieks Theron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Dunn Sent: 28 October 2005 04:24 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Coalescing Filter for de-watering Has anyone tried using a coalescing filter to de-water feedstock? A local WVO user that I stumbled across is using one to de-water his oil. I've seen claims of coalescing filters removing water down to 10ppm. That could potentially be a significant energy savings. From the operational diagrams that I've seen, I can see no reason why I couldn't by a replacement element and build a very simple canister around it. Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. Views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the views of the CSIR. CSIR E-mail Legal Notice http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_eMail_Legal_Notice.html CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_Copyright.html For electronic copies of the CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions and the CSIR Legal Notice send a blank message with REQUEST LEGAL in the subject line to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for their support. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Actually, give Ubuntu a try. It's a no brainer. You can set it to dual boot real easy. And it works on my company's laptop that has the 'latest' video drivers. I did have to hunt for a suitable distro since the current debian couldn't start X, but Ubuntu does! Jason and Katie wrote: i would be more than happy to use Linux, but i dont have the time to sit down and LEARN it. all the coding options and different ways to configure it, i would definitely spend as much time repairing my mistakes as i would configuring my computer, and quite frankly, if i want to do that, i'd have to take a years vacation. it may even be completely idiot proof, but im just that special kind of idiot that manages to find a way to screw it up. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Democracy
I'm putting on my gardening sweater now. Some of my neighbors are fine - one guy across the street ran into the local Gestapo when he built an addition. He prevailed, but they all whined and carried on. He's always quite pleasant, if fact, if he's having an outdoor shindig he'll politely ask he if I can chainsaw later, and I always do. HE gets fresh vegetables from my garden, AND gets use of all my tools. In fact, I went and dropped a tree for him - no charge. Next door neighbor (with an illegal business out of her house) came over to order me to stop running the woodstove. I did re-do the chimney with a professional sweep so that there's virtually no fly ash, but no, she doesn't like the smell. I don't much care for the smell of her 8 limo's idling but not much I can do about it. I downloaded and read the municipal code. I built my shed to fit the specs - it's actually quite large, and legal. It just doesn't have poured footings - I used concrete blocks sunk in the ground. Perfectly sturdy. They complain all the time, but the code enforcement guy just rolls his eyes at them and sends back his report no violations found. The parking person usually just calls and I tell him everything is fine. There's one in every crowd! E. C. wrote: ahhh .. Mr. Rogers w/attitude .. can I be your neighbor? I live in W's brother's fiefdom now .. don't mind the sound of an axe, want a garden - and a field of switchgrass, maybe .. be glad to share the produce! room for a wind turbine, andsome PV technology would be nice, too :-) --- Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: viz straight represetative democracy - be careful what you wish for. If Saudi Arabia had a pure representational system they'd wind up with a far more radical Wahab state. Look at California's referendum system - it's out of control. It's created an ungovernable state. Looks at Arizona's you pay no school taxes if you're over a certain age measure. Great - I got my free education the hell with you. Just keep paying my social security. Presumably we elect leaders to make decision in the best interest of the governed. I don't know that the founders ever expected the voters to be so apathetic and so easily fooled. And no, I don't think ANY of my neighbors would give up ANYTHING so that others might have a bit more. In fact, I'm amazed at the lengths they will go to to try to make me comply with their notion of what's proper. No woodstoves No older cars (yes, it looks fine, it's just an '89) Quotes: That garden really looks out of place - you're not going to do that every year, are you? Yes, I am. I wish you'd get rid of that woodpile, and it's noisy when you split wood. Awww the list goes on... Zeke Yewdall wrote: What if we had a voting sytem like American Idol, where people can text message their votes every night Sort of scary. But is it scarier to think of a democracy where the average person could vote on each issue, or one where as many people follow TV shows as care about their actual government On 10/27/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well time for a new thread I guess cause we are a long way off topic. I think you are right Zeke it's hard not to draw certain conclusions about the people who put these monsters in office. The problem is it's like going shopping. You think you have choice but then you find out your money goes to the same people at the top regardless of the choices you thought you made. The real problem is that the american lifestyle is not negotiable. How many here would willingly give up a bunch of affluence and convenience so that things might be a little more even in the world? Most of them are too busy trying to catch the carrot on a stick. Even when the government gives aid don't the farmers and shipping companies expect to be paid handsomley in the deal? So what really is the will of it's people that the government should reflect? Or is it really already doing that but in a way that upsets people but is really the only way left to maintain it? The oil is necessary to maintain the american lifestyle. Control of world economy is ideal to this plan even if it means doing dirty things that aren't right. People are told they have democracy and they believe it but as you said voting once every four years is hardly democratic. Representative governance works for the rich and hopefully they can take everyone along for the ride (because they need them). Boy they must have some real belly laughs in private when they think about the common man and the illusion of freedom and democracy. I wonder what things would look like if we had a real democratic system. If every important decision was put to a vote, sure it would slow things down but hell a lot of people I talk to seem to think things are 'progressing' -and I hate to use that term, too quickly anyways. Surely electronic voting
Re: [Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
I believe it was a Johns Hopkins team that found it on an unsecured ftp server. David Miller wrote: Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. This is being parroted way out of context. The CEO of Diebold was chairman of some committee - I forget whether it was the Republican party or a re-election committee - that was working on re-electing Bush. He was clearly speaking in this capacity. Yes, he should have known better than to utter something like that, but surrounded by fellow Republicans at a re-election rally it's understandable. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. My take on the last election is that if something happened to steal the election it was likely done at the central points that tallied votes from voting machines all over - optically scanned systems as well as the paperless blackboxes. Anyone interested in knowing more should surf on over to http://blackboxvoting.org/ and get a good background. BTW, if anyone has the exit polls of the 2004 presidential election before the polling organization corrected them to match the reported vote totals, please contact me off-list. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Beer or wine works, but you should not drink it until AFTER the reaction. bob allen wrote: methane, propane etc. are hydrocarbons. You need alcohols for a transesterification reaction. Sorry, they won't work Teoman Naskali wrote: Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One
No, but I think it sounds like a whopping amount of work when you can buy a used 240D or 300D for a few thousand. Bear in mind diesels have no vacuum so you will need a pump if your gas body vehicle requires it. Kurt Nolte wrote: In update news, I didn't even end up bidding on the I-Mark in the end. So it's back to local resources, which seem for the most part to be primarily diesel trucks of the heavy variety. Ick. However. Does anyone here know if I can fit a Mercedes diesel engine under a Volvo body? I can get a Mercedes parts car, I believe with the I4 diesel from the early Eighties, and I can also get a Volvo body style and transmission preference. Has anyone else on the list ever done a conversion from gas to diesel across brands? I'm fairly mechanically competent, I'm just trying to decide if it would be worth it in the end or if I should instead go with trying to fix up one of the cheaper ones and just deal with driving something not quite to my liking. If nothing else it would be a challenge, which can be good or bad. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One
I have a 1991 Suburban with a 6.2 liter diesel. The Suburban is large, luxurious and has all possible options. I only have around $4,000.00 invested in it. Why not look for something like this? Ed Normandy - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One No, but I think it sounds like a whopping amount of work when you can buy a used 240D or 300D for a few thousand. Bear in mind diesels have no vacuum so you will need a pump if your gas body vehicle requires it. Kurt Nolte wrote: In update news, I didn't even end up bidding on the I-Mark in the end. So it's back to local resources, which seem for the most part to be primarily diesel trucks of the heavy variety. Ick. However. Does anyone here know if I can fit a Mercedes diesel engine under a Volvo body? I can get a Mercedes parts car, I believe with the I4 diesel from the early Eighties, and I can also get a Volvo body style and transmission preference. Has anyone else on the list ever done a conversion from gas to diesel across brands? I'm fairly mechanically competent, I'm just trying to decide if it would be worth it in the end or if I should instead go with trying to fix up one of the cheaper ones and just deal with driving something not quite to my liking. If nothing else it would be a challenge, which can be good or bad. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] US Montana�s energy future
Peering into Montanaâs energy future By WILBUR WOOD For The Outpost http://www.billingsnews.com/story?storyid=18357issue=289 Coal filled the headlines of Montana newspapers last week during the Governorâs Energy Summit ö officially called ãThe Montana Symposium: Energy Future of the Westä ö but the real news was how much brighter our future will be when we turn our attention away from coal toward energy conservation and renewable energy. The symposium went on for two days, Oct. 18-19, on the campus of Montana State University in Bozeman ö 740 registered participants (not counting the press), 27 ãbreakout sessionsä punctuated by panels and speeches ö but the coal headlines around the state during those two days did not emerge solely from the Energy Symposium. One coal story turned out to be a new chapter in the ongoing saga of the beleaguered coal mine in the Bull Mountains south of Roundup. The state Department of Environmental Quality was upset that operators of this mine, while scraping away a ridgetop meadow, ostensibly to level a site for a proposed generating plant ö a plant whose air quality permit, DEQ says, is no longer valid because it expired in June ö encountered an eight-foot-thick vein of sub-bituminous coal and dug through it. They needed, they said, to get to solid ground. DEQ looked at the resultant pile of coal and called this strip mining. The mine is an underground mine and has no permit for strip mining. The mine was upset that DEQ was upset, and claims it never intended to sell the coal from the site for the power plant, whose air quality permit should still be valid. A second coal story came out of Great Falls, where the City Council voted 4-1 to spend $2 million of that cityâs funds on ãpreparationsä for the proposed 250 megawatt Highwood coal-burning power plant east of the city. Five rural electric cooperatives forming the Southern Montana Electric Generation and Transmission Cooperative are partnering with Great Falls on this project because they need the cityâs rights to water from the Missouri River. Running a coal-fired generating plant takes a lot of water. Water is a dominant issue with coal development in our semi-arid region. One reason that a 780-megawatt coal-fired generating complex seems unlikely ever to poke its smokestacks into the sky between Roundup and Billings is a lack of sufficient water, either in the Bull Mountains or in the Musselshell River 15 miles north. Nor do the developers have the right to pipe any water out of the Yellowstone River 35 miles to the south. So they are proposing to drill down 8,000 feet into the Madison Aquifer and pump up water that is very hot (about 180 degrees Fahrenheit) and full of salts that would have to be removed. Water is also a huge issue with the kinds of coal development that were trumpeted at the Energy Symposium. Extracting methane gas from coal seams means pumping out the water that holds it there - in other words, dewatering the aquifer. Do you then dump this untreated, often very salty water down the nearest stream, potentially ruining pastures and irrigated croplands? Do you dig reservoirs (a bit more expensive) and stash this pumped out water there, waiting for some of this water to seep back into the ground, some to be consumed by livestock and wildlife, and the rest to evaporate and fall ö elsewhere ö as rain? You could, of course, treat the water, remove the salts, before dumping it down a stream, but this is expensive and does not address the dewatered aquifer and drying up wells and springs. You could re-inject the water back into the coal seam, but this is even more expensive ö although not so expensive that gas producers would not reap enormous profits anyway. Coal bed methane is a crucial issue for Montana, but other coal technologies ö either gasifying or liquefying coal ö are what Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer lately has been promoting. Prodigious amounts of water are used (or abused) in both of these, also. The chief push to create liquid fuel from coal seems to be coming from the Department of Defense - one of the major consumers of oil on the planet - and indeed, Ted Barna, an assistant under secretary of the DOD was there to endorse that concept. Another federal agency official was there to push for building new pipelines and new electrical transmission lines. Suedeen Kelly of FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Agency, told the audience that energy-producing states like Montana owe it to energy-consuming states to send them their energy, and if states lagged in upgrading its transmission infrastructure, FERCâs job under the new federal energy bill was to step in and make this happen. This led Brady Wiseman, a Democratic state representative from Bozeman ö during a ãwhat have we learnedä session at the end of the symposium ö to complain about ãthis top-down, high-voltage approach, mandated by the
[Biofuel] Growing Expectations
Growing Expectations New technology could turn fuel into a bumper crop Naila Moreira Week of Oct. 1, 2005; Vol. 168, No. 14 , p. 218 http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051001/bob10.asp Word on the street is that the days of petroleum are numbered. Industry giants run full-page newspaper ads with slogans such as Think outside of the barrel. Even though it could take decades or more before the oil pipeline dries up, researchers in industry, government, and academea are preparing for the inevitable. Tom Blades is one of them. In July, at the First International Biorefinery Workshop in Washington, D.C., he handed Paul Grabowski of the Department of Energy (DOE) a vial with clear liquid in it. It's water, the DOE official joked. But instead, the innocuous-looking stuff could go straight into a diesel engine to run a car. Called SunFuel and made from waste plant matter, this new diesel was developed at the Freiburg pilot plant of Choren Industries in Hamburg, Germany, where Blades is chief executive officer. Grabowski and Blades were among 300 participants at the workshop, which was convened by the DOE to discuss the potential for replacing petroleum fuels in the United States and Europe with renewable, environmentally friendly liquid fuels made from plant matter, municipal solid waste, and other sources of biomass. As gasoline prices have skyrocketed to around $2.75 a gallon and the United States grapples with energy-security concerns, green fuels have become more attractive. Made by converting crops or waste material into combustible liquid, these fuels include ethanol and biodiesel, both of which can be used as substitutes for petroleum fuels. The Energy Policy Act of 2005, signed by President Bush in August, requires 7.5 billion gallons of ethanol and biodiesel to enter the nation's fuel supply by 2012, providing 5.75 percent of the nation's transportation-fuel needs. Because ethanol can be readily blended with gasoline, U.S. politicians have touted this alcohol as an important contributor to the nation's future energy supply. In contrast, hydrogen fuels, another alternative-fuel technology, would require new engine designs and transportation infrastructure. Made in vast amounts from corn kernels in the United States and sugarcane in Brazil, ethanol is the most common plant-to-fuel product, or biofuel, currently available. Standard gasoline engines can run on blends of gasoline containing up to 15 percent ethanol. Flexible-fuel vehicles can use blends with up to 85 percent ethanol. Green fuels produce lower emissions of greenhouse gases and atmospheric pollutants than does gasoline. But corn grainöderived biofuel has its downsides. Its critics point to the high energy costs associated with corn farming and environmental impacts such as fertilizer pollution and soil erosion (see But Is It Green?, below). Using waste plant material instead of corn grain to produce ethanol and other green fuels may sidestep these problems. Annual U.S. accumulation of agricultural detritus such as cornhusks, switchgrass, and wood chips÷collectively known as cellulosic biomass÷measures nearly a billion tons per year. A study of biofuels released by the National Resources Defense Council (NRDC) last July reports that biomass fuels from such sources could supply as much as 30 percent of the nation's fuel needs by 2050. Cellulosic biofuels are at least as likely as hydrogen to be a future sustainable transportation fuel of choice, says Yerina Mugica of NRDC. Champions of biofuels still have technical, economic, and political barriers to overcome. For one thing, no one has yet found a commercially viable process for making large amounts of cellulosic biofuel. But with a host of cost-cutting advances now working their way through the pipeline, many researchers say biofuels from both cellulosic feedstocks and corn grain are fated to play vital roles in the world's energy equation. Plant payoff Most players in the transportation debate, including politicians, industry representatives, environmentalists, and researchers, agree that fuels from plant waste offer promise. However, it takes chemistry to turn solid biomass into liquid fuels. Researchers seeking to make ethanol must first unlock sugars from the plant polymer called cellulose and other plant carbohydrates. Cellulose looks like a long string of pearls, explains Charles Wyman of Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H. The individual pearls are the sugar-monomer units. Yeast and bacterial cells can ferment those individual sugar monomers into alcohol. Unlike starch from corn grains, cellulose is difficult to break up into its constituent sugars. The recalcitrance of cellulose poses the biggest challenge facing biomass-to-fuel technology. Cellulose is in plants to give the plants rigidity, says Joel Cherry of Novozymes in Davis, Calif. Starch is in plants to feed seeds when
Re: [Biofuel] US Montana’s energy future
MH wrote: Sounds like a great conference! This paragraph caught my attention: A second coal story came out of Great Falls, where the City Council voted 4-1 to spend $2 million of that city’s funds on “preparations” for the proposed 250 megawatt Highwood coal-burning power plant east of the city. Five rural electric cooperatives forming the Southern Montana Electric Generation and Transmission Cooperative are partnering with Great Falls on this project because they need the city’s rights to water from the Missouri River. Running a coal-fired generating plant takes a lot of water. Why does running a coal fired generating plant require so much water? Thanks, --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Montana’s energy future
Cooling. Any thermal power plant rejects roughly 60 - 70% of the energy from burning fuel as waste heat. Some plants use big ponds that just sit there and give off heat (evaporating in the process), and some use cooling towers (that's what the giant concrete things are on nuclear power plants, with plumes of steam coming out).Either way, they use alot of water. Which in the dry west, is a big problem. On 10/28/05, David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MH wrote: Sounds like a great conference! This paragraph caught my attention: A second coal story came out of Great Falls, where the City Council voted 4-1 to spend $2 million of that city's funds on preparations for the proposed 250 megawatt Highwood coal-burning power plant east of the city. Five rural electric cooperatives forming the Southern Montana Electric Generation and Transmission Cooperative are partnering with Great Falls on this project because they need the city's rights to water from the Missouri River. Running a coal-fired generating plant takes a lot of water. Why does running a coal fired generating plant require so much water? Thanks, --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Liquid-liquid separator
Hi,all, Thank you,Mike,for the e-mail of Mr Hinman,I will try to contact him for more info. Hi,Lee, Couple a days ago I heard about this fuel-cleaning system and make some calls to some friends of mine for inquiry.It seems this kind of separators are commonly used in the ships,the fuel does not com well with the see water together.As I`v been told,every ship is equipped at least with 2 separators,especially in the navy,but in the commercial fleet too. Today I have some responds-I found one capable of purifying 3,3 t/h mazut and the offer is $3500-second hand of course,3,7 kW/1400 RPM.Since the oil is with lower density,the rate can be increased,and I am going to switch an inverter to the motor,what gives me the opportunity to increase the RPM`s 6 times.I should see the specifications of the bearings and replace them if they are not suitable. Yes,Michael,this is the construction-one inlet,two outlets,exactly as you described it.The one,with the price was in the navy arsenal in Varna,the biggest port in Bulgaria.It is Russian made,and I am still waiting for more offers in Monday to come.I just wonder why,if this machines are so wide spread,we did not have used it before? To everyone interested:Search the maintenance facilities of the navy and the ships yards,there should be The Separator! I am still concerning about the use;I imagine this way: WVO-seprtr/dewatering/-reactor-seprtr/glyc out/-washing-seprtr/dewatering/-finished BD.Am I somewhere wrong with the sequence? Best to all of you Rumen __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One
Those things are hard to find... Ed Normandy wrote: I have a 1991 Suburban with a 6.2 liter diesel. The Suburban is large, luxurious and has all possible options. I only have around $4,000.00 invested in it. Why not look for something like this? Ed Normandy - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One No, but I think it sounds like a whopping amount of work when you can buy a used 240D or 300D for a few thousand. Bear in mind diesels have no vacuum so you will need a pump if your gas body vehicle requires it. Kurt Nolte wrote: In update news, I didn't even end up bidding on the I-Mark in the end. So it's back to local resources, which seem for the most part to be primarily diesel trucks of the heavy variety. Ick. However. Does anyone here know if I can fit a Mercedes diesel engine under a Volvo body? I can get a Mercedes parts car, I believe with the I4 diesel from the early Eighties, and I can also get a Volvo body style and transmission preference. Has anyone else on the list ever done a conversion from gas to diesel across brands? I'm fairly mechanically competent, I'm just trying to decide if it would be worth it in the end or if I should instead go with trying to fix up one of the cheaper ones and just deal with driving something not quite to my liking. If nothing else it would be a challenge, which can be good or bad. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] oil seed expellers help please
Any help is appreciated Kirk Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
