Re: [Biofuel] B100 and synthetic seals
Remember that the precursor to modern plastics were plant-based! (cellulose) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rexis Tree Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:43 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] B100 and synthetic seals B100 is known to have a solvent effect against natural rubber parts of the engine, mostly seals like fuel pump seal so we might need to change those parts into synthetic rubber seal. But synthetic rubber is a product of petroleum. How is this work out to be sustainable? Is there a truely 100% renewable engines and fuel? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol?
Hello Michael Other than water in the WVO and Methanol there are at least two other sources: 1. Atmospheric water vapor tries to establish equilibrium with everything (including all feedstock and reagents used in the BD process). 2. The catalyst widely used in homebrew, dissolved lye in methyl alcohol, has an equilibrium reaction to/from Sodium Methylate and water. NaOH + CH3OH = NaOCH3 + H2O Most people making quality biodiesel use KOH, not NaOH. Sodium Methylate is the catalyst used in an acid/base industrial process for which my employer is constructing the plant. The customer's engineer is specifically using this, rather than lye in alcohol, due to that water molecule seen above and the general lower yield associated. Quite a lot of previous discussion about Sodium Methylate. http://snipurl.com/q3yy Search results for 'methylate' I don't think it has any particular advantage, it's more expensive and less available, and the amount of water involved is insignificant. I say that on the strength of the fact that methoxide mixed with methanol and NaOH or especially KOH produces high quality biodiesel from WVO, for one example of very many see: http://snipurl.com/pie8 [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results 11 Apr 2006 It's not true that there is a general lower yield associated with methoxide, our yield is 100%. Water is not such an enemy as your engineer assumes. The process will tolerate a certain amount of water without any loss, especially if everything else is done well. We've been discussing that here sporadically for a while. Obviously it makes sense to use dry chemicals and to remove water from WVO, we don't tell newbies water doesn't matter because it does matter, but the engineer's taking it a bit too literally. I think it's going to cost your customer some money. http://www.dupont.com/sodium/naome.html describes it. http://www.inorganics.basf.com/p02/CAPortal/en_GB/portal/Biodiesel_la yout_b/content/Produktgruppen/Biodiesel/Biodiesel/Katalysatoren (this is BASF) has more info on industrial biodiesel catalysts. May I recommend SnipURL: http://snipurl.com/index.php SnipURL - Snippetty snip snip with your long URLs! Then your urls won't break in two in transmission. Best Keith Michael -Original Message- From: Jonathan Schearer I am probably missing something, but where would the water be coming from in the first place? Isn't the waste oil you start with not supposed to contain any water, and if it does, you need to boil it off? Then there's the methanol. It should not contain any water either. I don't believe the catalyst would contain any water either. It is the waste glycerin layer that contains most of the methanol, correct? I have been told that the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked. So I'm asking...where is the water coming from? Michael Gian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In additon, a fractionating column requires a reflux, the partial return and recycling of distillate product from the condenser back down the fractionating column which increases the energy tax (energy costs) of purifying the methanol. This is true for tray towers. A more elegant setup is a packed fractionating column, aka reflux column. Years ago we made one packed with small glass beads for jewelry, picked up cheap at a garage sale. Ethanol production, in this case not intended to fuel machinery. What works for ethanol will work for methanol, probably better, given no water azeotrope. Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch11 has the poop. Michael Gian Mike McGinness bob allen wrote: without getting into excessive detail, the boiling point of a mixture is the weighted average of the stuff present. At first you have pure methanol coming off. as the temperature rose, increasing amounts of water contaminated the alcohol. You need a fractionating column to obtain pure methanol. Joe Street wrote: 3A sieves will work but are normally used for getting tiny amounts of water out of solvents to bring them into the low ppm range. They will work of course but you might saturate them and have to do a second stage. There is a significant energy input into regenerating the seives as well. You have to bake them at well over 100 degrees C more like 200, but you can get by with lower temps if you bake them out with vacuum. Try putting a thermometer in your condenser and monitor vapour temperature to get a better endpoint and you will have an easier time. You have answered some of my own questions. I have recovered some methanol but not tried to use it yet. Sounds like if straight distillation is carefully done the methanol is dry enough to use without further drying. Great news and thanks for the post! :) I have some excellent references on solvent drying I can mail you if you want. No soft copy sorry but I might be able to scan them. Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Good day to all, After splitting the
Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol?
Other than water in the WVO and Methanol there are at least two other sources: Atmospheric water vapor tries to establish equilibrium with everything (including all feedstock and reagents used in the BD process). The catalyst widely used in homebrew, dissolved lye in methyl alcohol, has an equilibrium reaction to/from Sodium Methylate and water. NaOH + CH3OH = NaOCH3 + H2O Sodium Methylate is the catalyst used in an acid/base industrial process for which my employer is constructing the plant. The customers engineer is specifically using this, rather than lye in alcohol, due to that water molecule seen above and the general lower yield associated. http://www.dupont.com/sodium/naome.html describes it. http://www.inorganics.basf.com/p02/CAPortal/en_GB/portal/Biodiesel_layout_b/content/Produktgruppen/Biodiesel/Biodiesel/Katalysatoren (this is BASF) has more info on industrial biodiesel catalysts. Michael -Original Message- From: Jonathan Schearer I am probably missing something, but where would the water be coming from in the first place? Isn't the waste oil you start with not supposed to contain any water, and if it does, you need to boil it off? Then there's the methanol. It should not contain any water either. I don't believe the catalyst would contain any water either. It is the waste glycerin layer that contains most of the methanol, correct? I have been told that the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked. So I'm asking...where is the water coming from? Michael Gian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In additon, a fractionating column requires a reflux, the partial return and recycling of distillate product from the condenser back down the fractionating column which increases the energy tax (energy costs) of purifying the methanol. This is true for tray towers. A more elegant setup is a packed fractionating column, aka reflux column. Years ago we made one packed with small glass beads for jewelry, picked up cheap at a garage sale. Ethanol production, in this case not intended to fuel machinery. What works for ethanol will work for methanol, probably better, given no water azeotrope. Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch11 has the poop. Michael Gian Mike McGinness bob allen wrote: without getting into excessive detail, the boiling point of a mixture is the weighted average of the stuff present. At first you have pure methanol coming off. as the temperature rose, increasing amounts of water contaminated the alcohol. You need a fractionating column to obtain pure methanol. Joe Street wrote: 3A sieves will work but are normally used for getting tiny amounts of water out of solvents to bring them into the low ppm range. They will work of course but you might saturate them and have to do a second stage. There is a significant energy input into regenerating the seives as well. You have to bake them at well over 100 degrees C more like 200, but you can get by with lower temps if you bake them out with vacuum. Try putting a thermometer in your condenser and monitor vapour temperature to get a better endpoint and you will have an easier time. You have answered some of my own questions. I have recovered some methanol but not tried to use it yet. Sounds like if straight distillation is carefully done the methanol is dry enough to use without further drying. Great news and thanks for the post! :) I have some excellent references on solvent drying I can mail you if you want. No soft copy sorry but I might be able to scan them. Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Good day to all, After splitting the glycerine coproduct from roughly 1200L of processed WVO, I distilled approximately 100L of the glycerine/methanol component. The first drops of methanol began to fall from the condenser at 145F. As the temp rose to 150F there was a steady flow of clear liquid from the condenser. Throughout the day I turned the heat off when the flow was steady and back on when it slowed. I filled a 4.5 gal (17.7L) cubie with clear liquid and started a second one. At this point the temp was over 160F. I let the still run up to 200F. At this point the second cubie had 4 gallons of clear liquid (and it was now 1AM) giving a total of 8.5 gal. I was thrilled with the result (and tired). I used the first 4.5 gal (17.7L) to run one batch, and while that was settling ran a second batch using the second 4 gal of recovered methanol. The first batch washed OK, but was a little slow to separate. It failed the methanol quality test. The second batch did not even pass the wash test. I have been making consistenly high quality BD for several months ... thank you JtF and list members. I don't think I made mistakes in measurement or titration. My question: As my distillation temps rose towards 200F (93C) could I have been including water in my distillate? (The methanol recovered at lower temps performed better than the
[Biofuel] pricing
Hi group, can anyone tell me what the pledge prices for fossiel and biodiesel is in the EU, is there a informatif site where this can be found??. I ask this because the last price for a 100 K tonne contract for BD was 700,-/tonne, a bit high in my opinion. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Re: Sweet catalyst continuous processes
Please note the bit at the end: No further discussion please. As I said, we keep it away unless it needs saying, now it's said, so leave it, or it will only cause confusion and distraction, as intended. -- Hello Jason they are discussing the sugar catalyst in detail at http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/9771067631/p/1 Sure they are, but if a person wanders in there the first thing that hits them is this: Saint Tilly, DD; KE; Sewer Rat (by appointment) I didn't have to fiddle with it, it worked just fine, but I fiddled with it anyway and now it works even finer Keith Addison explaining his cosmic theory of the Foolproof Disaster With ne'er a link to the original: http://snipurl.com/q2lz Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs Nor to this, for instance: http://snipurl.com/q210 [Biofuel] Water from Acid process And nobody says er...: http://snipurl.com/pie8 [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results 99.09% completion says the GC, way better than standard spec. So what's the disaster? This: It doesn't work. Uh-huh. But I'll come back to that. This is the barest tip of an iceberg, scratch it a bit and see what happens. Like what's with the Sewer Rat (by appointment) bit? A couple of days ago some mud got slung at the Biofuel list in a discussion at wastewatts, the yahoo group moderated by Steve Spence, Dir., Green Trust. Stuff like this: It can have a certain view and the some long time members like everyone to march to a similar tune or your read the riot act. The list owner ( Keith ), can not handle the truth, because it hurts to much. ... plenty of people have been banned because they disagreed with certain people on the list, and couldn't back up their disagreement with the proper sources. I would not parrot the bush is the antichrist partyline, and I wouldn't shut up, so I was banned. But keith will swear that it was done in the name of promoting open discussion - how Orwellian. And so on. A person named Chris Stratford started ranting that Keith is a racist and an anti-Semite and a Nazi and got quite violent: ... if I meet them in a dark alley only one of us will walk out... There are a bunch of other biodiesel groups, that actually have open debate... Keith has a great website, but if it was a choice between saving him or the rat from drowning, I will save the rat, and then throw it at him. So this clown at Infopop appoints himself the rat. Well I guess he should know, and he's in the right place too. I'm sure the wastewatts discussion is all over Infopop with the usual huge glee but I didn't bother to check, I never go there unless someone posts a url here. I received the wastewatts posts as a subscriber but I don't read anything there either, someone pointed it out to me. I'd give you the link but dear old Steve in all his openness closed the archives unless you log in as a member. These people at wastewatts got booted from the Biofuel list for demanding that other people's posts they didn't agree with must be censored because they're off-topic. See the List rules: http://snipurl.com/mx7r People who do this quite often refuse to accept the reason for their dismissal, they're already furious anyway and it's so much more convenient to think that it's their opinions we hate and the dismissal was just an excuse while in fact we're really defending the evil views they want censored because we agree with them. This is what happened with Stratford, nearly two years ago. It wasn't me who posted the stuff he objected to, I didn't even comment on it, and it was just a distraction anyway. But that doesn't bother Chris Stratford. He actually said this at wastewatts: The point is that hatred based on lies is evil. Only true thing I've seen him say, but he was talking about me and the Biofuel list, not him. Of course we have all the background on record in the list admin archives, so what really happened with all these people isn't just a matter of opinion. But it seldom bears much resemblance to what they say happened, and the more time passes the more lurid the story gets. Chris Stratford is an American, he's pro-colonial Zionism, pro-War on Terror, pro-Bush. He's not Jewish, he's a Mormon, and apparently he's served as a missionary abroad. Regarding anti-Semitism, this is what the thread he hated at Biofuel led to: http://snipurl.com/q22x RE: Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Keith Not exactly anti-Semitic. Give it a read, a lot of people said it's worth it. The strange thing about Stratford is that was the second time he got booted, and for the same reason. After the first time, he admitted he'd been wrong, begged to be reinstated and promised to behave himself: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fwd: FW: Feeling Patriotic? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:40:56 -0800 I apologize for any comments I made that contributed in any way to a dampening of what topics were being
Re: [Biofuel] pricing
Hi Martin...the link below shows a price of 617/ton in September, 2003. Mike http://www.fas.usda.gov/pecad2/highlights/2003/09/biodiesel3/costreturnscenario.htm - Original Message - From: martin roozenburg To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 6:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] pricing Hi group, can anyone tell me what the pledge prices for fossiel and biodiesel is in the EU, is there a informatif site where this can be found??. I ask this because the last price for a 100 K tonne contract for BD was € 700,-/tonne, a bit high in my opinion. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.rd.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.rd.yahoo.com" claiming to be PC-to-Phone call rates. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Re: Sweet catalyst continuous processes
Yo dee ho Keith, This offlist stuff these folks do here happens especially if anyone mentions Aleks's Foolproof acid-base method, they really hate Aleks, though they've never encountered him in any way. He's at Journey to Forever but they're not, you see. (They hate Todd Swearingen too.) Sniffle..., smurf..., snif..., huck. My feelings are oh so hurt. As girl Mark and Ginny in Denver so helpfully pointed out, forget everything there and start over. Doh!!! And then the self-appointed expert, at least expert enough as to declare others less than capable - that would be the poor dear Ginny in Denver - just couldn't seem to identify how or where she had fouled up a five gallon batch and started asking for help from anyone who had some insight. Had she not forgotten everything she had read at JTF (as she's instructed everyone else to do) it's rather doubtful that the dear would have found herself in midst of such a problem without a clue as to how to extract herself. Oh well. People pick their own poison. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg37170.html I'd all but forgotten dear Mr. Legge. I still can't forgive myself for outing him (not!) and his nom de plume. Funny that. I don't think he's ever forgiven me either, sniff..., smurf..., snuffle..., snarf. Anyhow, thanks for the stroll down memory lane Keith. A nice, tidy, compressed nutshell of a package of destruction that's really screwed a lot of people that could have been doing a lot of good. Glad you still take some time to check the bilge pumps and make sure the sewage and it's rats don't decimate the entire grassroots biodiesel sector. Now if you'll forgive me, I'm headed to the pantry for a pint of black and tan and then I'm off to fake another 325 gallons of acid/base biodiesel..., you know..., Aleks' method that doesn't work. Todd Swearingen Keith Addison wrote: Please note the bit at the end: No further discussion please. As I said, we keep it away unless it needs saying, now it's said, so leave it, or it will only cause confusion and distraction, as intended. -- Hello Jason they are discussing the sugar catalyst in detail at http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/9771067631/p/1 Sure they are, but if a person wanders in there the first thing that hits them is this: Saint Tilly, DD; KE; Sewer Rat (by appointment) I didn't have to fiddle with it, it worked just fine, but I fiddled with it anyway and now it works even finer Keith Addison explaining his cosmic theory of the Foolproof Disaster With ne'er a link to the original: http://snipurl.com/q2lz Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs Nor to this, for instance: http://snipurl.com/q210 [Biofuel] Water from Acid process And nobody says er...: http://snipurl.com/pie8 [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results 99.09% completion says the GC, way better than standard spec. So what's the disaster? This: It doesn't work. Uh-huh. But I'll come back to that. This is the barest tip of an iceberg, scratch it a bit and see what happens. Like what's with the Sewer Rat (by appointment) bit? A couple of days ago some mud got slung at the Biofuel list in a discussion at wastewatts, the yahoo group moderated by Steve Spence, Dir., Green Trust. Stuff like this: It can have a certain view and the some long time members like everyone to march to a similar tune or your read the riot act. The list owner ( Keith ), can not handle the truth, because it hurts to much. ... plenty of people have been banned because they disagreed with certain people on the list, and couldn't back up their disagreement with the proper sources. I would not parrot the bush is the antichrist partyline, and I wouldn't shut up, so I was banned. But keith will swear that it was done in the name of promoting open discussion - how Orwellian. And so on. A person named Chris Stratford started ranting that Keith is a racist and an anti-Semite and a Nazi and got quite violent: ... if I meet them in a dark alley only one of us will walk out... There are a bunch of other biodiesel groups, that actually have open debate... Keith has a great website, but if it was a choice between saving him or the rat from drowning, I will save the rat, and then throw it at him. So this clown at Infopop appoints himself the rat. Well I guess he should know, and he's in the right place too. I'm sure the wastewatts discussion is all over Infopop with the usual huge glee but I didn't bother to check, I never go there unless someone posts a url here. I received the wastewatts posts as a subscriber but I don't read anything there either, someone pointed it out to me. I'd give you the link but dear old Steve in all his openness closed the archives unless you log in as a member. These people at wastewatts got booted from the Biofuel list for demanding that other people's posts they didn't agree with
Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Re: Sweet catalyst continuous processes
Hey, I just wanted to put in my $.02 about Steve Spence.I was a member of both "wastewatts" and "12VDC" - both moderated (or owned)by Steve Spence. I invited him to speak at my local section of ASME, of which I chair. He was well received and found to be entertaining by the membership.Since then, I've become frustrated by the "ceiling" of knowledge one encounterswithboth of these groups. Steve is a pretty good study and I've seen him accurately regurgitate a lot of technical information. However, don't expect a great deal of theoretical knowledge or analytical abilities whendiscussing things conceptually.I finally left both groups after dissenting to another members opinion about deforestation andhow he claimed that "there are more trees now thanat the founding of this country". I sent a prickly reply that evenTodd might be proud of.This mindless debate was on top ofalready mounting frustration about the grouplooking more like an extended infomercialfor batteries and off-grid appliances.While others were building shopping lists and pretending they worked for consumer reports, I wanted to conspire with other members and design inverters and AC motor controls (for example). My hopes were that the schematicsand other technical details could be published in the public domain andhelp those whocouldn't (or didn't want to)simply buy everything.What helped expedite my decision wasfinding out that Stevescreens every message then,he explained"This isn'ta democracy". He closed with a smug smiley face.I believe that Steve might be on this list and laying low with an alias. If so, I doubt he will acknowledge any wrong doing.One final note: Of all the name listed in this thread, I haven't seen anyone mention the arrogant behavior of another list owner - Laren Corie. He runs a couple of YG's including "refrigerator alternatives" and a woodgas group.Mike Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo dee ho Keith, This offlist stuff these folks do here happens especially if anyone mentions Aleks's Foolproof acid-base method, they really hate Aleks, though they've never encountered him in any way. He's at Journey to Forever but they're not, you see. (They hate Todd Swearingen too.)"Sniffle..., smurf..., snif..., huck."My feelings are oh so hurt. As girl Mark and Ginny in Denver so helpfully pointed out, forget everything there and start over.Doh!!! And then the self-appointed expert, at least expert enough as to declare others less than capable - that would be the poor dear Ginny in Denver - just couldn't seem to identify how or where she had fouled up a five gallon batch and started asking for help from anyone who had some insight.Had she not forgotten everything she had read at JTF (as she's instructed everyone else to do) it's rather doubtful that the dear would have found herself in midst of such a problem without a clue as to how to extract herself.Oh well. People pick their own poison.http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg37170.htmlI'd all but forgotten dear Mr. Legge. I still can't forgive myself for outing him (not!) and his nom de plume. Funny that. I don't think he's ever forgiven me either, sniff..., smurf..., snuffle..., snarf.Anyhow, thanks for the stroll down memory lane Keith. A nice, tidy, compressed nutshell of a package of destruction that's really screwed a lot of people that could have been doing a lot of good. Glad you still take some time to check the bilge pumps and make sure the sewage and it's rats don't decimate the entire grassroots biodiesel sector.Now if you'll forgive me, I'm headed to the pantry for a pint of black and tan and then I'm off to fake another 325 gallons of acid/base biodiesel..., you know..., Aleks' method that "doesn't work."Todd SwearingenKeith Addison wrote:Please note the bit at the end:"No further discussion please. As I said, we keep it away unless it needs saying, now it's said, so leave it, or it will only cause confusion and distraction, as intended."--Hello Jason they are discussing the sugar catalyst in detail athttp://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/9771067631/p/1 Sure they are, but if a person wanders in there the first thing that hits them is this: Saint Tilly, DD; KE; Sewer Rat (by appointment)"I didn't have to fiddle with it, it worked just fine,but I fiddled with it anyway and now it works even finer"Keith Addison explaining his cosmic theory of the Foolproof Disaster With ne'er a link to the original:http://snipurl.com/q2lzRe: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEsNor to this, for instance:http://snipurl.com/q210[Biofuel] Water from Acid processAnd nobody says "er...":http://snipurl.com/pie8[Biofuel] Biodiesel test results99.09% completion says the GC, way better than standard spec. So what's the disaster? This: "It doesn't work." Uh-huh. But I'll come back to that.This is the barest tip of an iceberg, scratch it a bit and see what happens.Like what's with the "Sewer Rat
[Biofuel] NAIS - a possible plan??
A couple of weeks ago, I was requested to join a list no2nais4horses although I am not a horse person .. animals in general, yes .. mostly companion animals .. but not specifically horse. The reason I received the request was because someone thought I had a fairly good handle on what was going on based upon things I wrote to other groups. Having my ego stroked in such a manor, I joined and participated with ideas .. basically suggesting that all animal groups must join together. .. one of my business partners (a horse person) strongly suggested that I stay away from the horse interests because (etc and etc) .. and of course I didn't listen. But I've watched over these short couple of weeks and am sorry to say that everything I was told did in fact show itself. This NAIS truly is international .. as is AVMA and the AMA (trade unions of pharmaceutical conglomerates) and I know this list is international. .. so hoping to find a receptive core group of non-political .. don't want nothing for myself here mentality .. I'm trying to share the only thing I know will work with the widest possible audience. I will forward other short e-mails I submitted to this group. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [n2n4h] A possible plan?? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:10:42 + Sorry .. this is just a tip of what's out there and I put this together rather quickly .. but it can give you some ideas. I want to apologize up front because I've had some problems with my computer .. it went out to be cleaned and came back with all my wonderful things in really good hiding places. I'll try to forward supporting articles when I can. I do have them .. somewhere. .. and I'd also like you to understand is that what I may talk about is, actually, on subject .. it is connected to the whole .. and it is very, very important to take into consideration when discussing any type of strategy in the eliminating of this NAIS idea being pushed by the USDA. First .. Bird Flu is NOT being spread by wild birds migrating. Bird Flu outbreaks are not following any known migratory route .. a hugh amount of money has been spent in trying to convince you that a sick bird has the capability of flying thousands upon thousands of miles and landing among a bunch of turkeys in someone's back yard and infecting them and then getting up again and flying away .. .. very few wild birds have actually shown up sick or dead anywhere in the world. Bird Flu is only showing up .. at this point .. in crowded factory farms and extremely dense fowl populations in polluted areas of the world. A sick chicken, duck, turkey is discovered and the white suited, masked authorities run all around the neighborhood gathering up every single feathered livestock in the neighborhood .. sick or not .. and kills them. No release that I have ever read has indicated that any of the birds rounded up and killed has been sick and/or infected .. in fact there is a very LOUD telling silence on this subject. .. the majority of the owners of these birds are very poor people and their ability to earn a living and feed their family has just been hacked off at the roots. Tyson Meats has increased it's market share with this gift of the death of the poor of the world's ability to feed themselves. Tyson (and a few others) have increased their exports of meats to our foreign asian neighbors .. for a price .. and a great bonus for the company(s) shareholders. To protect our wonderful nation, our President Bush ordered 7.1 billion spent purchasing and stockpiling Tamiflu .. a product so worthless that according to those, non-politically connected viewpoints, Chicken soup works much better than Tamiflu .. and if you really want to protect yourself from colds and flu, use a saline spray. The patient for Tamiflu is held by a company names Gilead(or e??) .. Donald Rumsfield .. yup, you got it .. President Bush's pal .. was the CEO of Gilead until he was appointed by President Bush to rally our nation to lead our invasion against Iraq .. and yes, Invasion is the correct term because we were the one's who did the attacking .. Weapons of Mass Destruction is, was, and continues to be a baseless hoax and .. hopefully, as a nation, we will want to take our nation back again. Tamiflu was first received and given out in Japan and within a week to 10 days the suicide rate jumped dramatically .. Sweden was the next country and .. once again, the suicide rate jumped dramatically. Tamiflu costs about $100.00 for a dosage (whatever that may be) and the
[Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
My mother in law sent me an article by Anne Fitzgerald writing for the (Des Moines?) Register. The article states that Victor Lin and two fellow University of Iowa Chemists have created a new catalyst that is reusable (20 times) and can be filtered. The catalyst will be quite a bit more expensive than what we are using now but will pay out over time because of the reuse. West Central cooperative is going to test the catalyst on a commercial scale. Anne Fitzgerald can be reached at 515 284 8122 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This sounds very much like the glucose/carbon/sulfur carbon compound. BUT I do not know if it is or something new. Well lets hope this becomes available to us all very soon. My best Jim. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
