Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Are we lucky or what? The cost of compost is quite cheap here and as such is not sterilized or cooked just mixed and left for the worms and nature with some mechanical help. Good compost most times. Have used some local and some of my own compost to grow grape vines, 8 vines, of different sorts. The vines are now doing extremely well and have formed a shade over a walk way. The shade in the last few days has been decreasing through voluntary addition of some real fat bugs of the multi legged type nibbling away at my prized grape vines. Never thought that grape vines would grow here. High humidity, very hot and very wet in the wet season and very dry in the dry season. However for some reason this is my first spot of luck with growing grape vines as shade. What such a benefit if by some freak twist the vines might produce some grapes this will be the ultimate in my many years of grape sagas. Never ever eaten one of my own home grown grapes as never seem to be able to have grown them before. I would like to get rid of the bugs, like compost them or some such. Any one know of a non chemical way of dislodging such unwelcome lodgers/habitants or encouraging them to migrate/immigrate to other sources of fattening away from my precious grape vines? My Norfolk pines are doing real well on local compost as are many other plants/trees. Have had zero luck at this level with radiata pine no matter what soils, I think this is more due to the heat and humidity changes. Doug - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Chris Lloyd wrote: Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, smelt good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start adding chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got washed out of it but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year. Chris I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to kill weed seeds. This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is responsible for fertility. I made that mistake once, and since then I've relied on my own compost. My trees are happier (though I'm STILL have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have in the past. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
If you get rotted horse manure next year (rotted being a word that covers a host of sins) use it to make compost. We used to have a nice local farmer who used straw to bed the horses down in and he just piled the old bedding up in one long 25 ton heap so the old end was about 5 years old. Great for growing tomatoes and full of tasty rabbits but this winter the district council said it was an environmental hazard because it was only 50 yards from the highway and had to be cleared away. It is getting bloody silly here in the UK these days. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Questions about Raw vegetable oil
To all the members of the list,I am new to the list, and new also to the area of biofuels.I hope to receive answers to my following queries.1. How raw vegetable oil (non- edible like Jatropha or Pongamia) can be stored for long time. I heard that these oils cannot be stored for more than a few weeks.2. Is there any simple process to neutralize the raw oils (removal of acids and wax).Thanks and regards,Dada Sipri Sneak preview the MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.rd.yahoo.com" claiming to be all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
I have to agree here. I kept an organic lawn for 10 years. I used a mulching mower to put the clippings back into the lawn and used the mower on its tallest setting. The rare time I watered (which wasn't often even though I lived in Dallas with its 100F avg temps in the summer), I watered deeply - but mostly I let the lawn go dormant in the summer. None of the neighbors complained and not that I would have cared anyway. In the fall all the leaves from the trees went into compost piles and then in the spring or fall or whenever it suited, it was sifted through a 1/2 sifter, shovelled into a spreader and on it went on top of the grass. Compost is a great 'fertiliser'. It is slow releasing and is nicely balanced in all nutrients. You don't need to water it in and you can never overapply. There are no worries from any runoff. Contrary to some misconceptions about compost - it can never get too hot - the heat is from the micro-organisms who are doing the work of breaking the organic material down. They thrive on moisture and air and they produce heat as a by-product. The more heat, the faster the breakdown. There is no need to apply heat. The heat is a byproduct, not an input to compost.. Blowing hot air through compost, is, well, a lot of hot air. If anyone is in doubt of the power of compost, try this for a summer project: sneak out to a sports field with a spreader full of compost and in huge letters, spell out your favorite team's name ( or whatever!) on the pitch and then watch what happens for the rest of the season! Compost is a natural product. As long as the source is organic, home made compost is better than anything you would have normally used instead. Steve On Monday 19 June 2006 06:11 am, DB wrote: you don't have to grind compost really fine to spread it on your lawn...break it down to about 1/2 in particles and rake it in with a wide rake. I have a one acre lot with lots of grass, orchard and garden. I only weed the garden and only mow the grass. living in the city means your lawn needs to be as nice or better than your neighbors, but that is really just an ego problem. my lawn looks just fine to me...Your lawn probabily would look just fine to me too.DB - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic JJJN wrote: Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep it lawn. the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed killers etc? I have been wondering , can you take compost and grind it really fine and spread it on the lawn water it in? Would this be good? I don't think this is off topic, as it relates directly to the mentality of dirt as a growing medium that is so pervasive and lies at the root of much difficulty in our society. I've actually had a lawn professional suggest that I rip out my lawn and replace it with garden. You seem to be more successful at growing vegetables than grass, he said. I've aereated my lawn this year and watered with mixture of compost tea and organic compost enhancement liquid. It's much greener and healthier than it's been in the past, but this method still smacks of replacing chemical fertilizers with non chemical fertilizers. It's not that I hate grass, but I'm NOT pleased with the monoculture mentality that insists it must be of a uniform species. When we first bought this property it was covered in grasses that were long and made a lovely sound as the seed heads touseled in the wind. But now, I keep the motley collection of grasses that pass for lawn on my property trimmed to 55 millimeters. If anyone has better ideas for lawn maintenance that will not raise the ire of my neighbors (who already think I'm weird), please let me know. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies. The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they die. The plants don't care either way about the stuff. I do this on the roses that I have. Works great. Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts that my nieghbor had. He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on his face when I asked him for them was priceless. I soaked that for a day then strained that. Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and was free. Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same. fredOn 6/18/06, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert,I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cuplemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that youhook on the end of a garden hose.At first I thought the idea sounded good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guyswhats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do youthink?I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the productscrews up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.Isuppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to the single point missing everything else.Jimrobert and benita rabello wrote:Chris Lloyd wrote:Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It wassupposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, smeltgood and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start adding chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got washed out of itbut I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year. ChrisI've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to kill weed seeds.This also kills all of the soil fauna, which isresponsible for fertility.I made that mistake once, and since thenI've relied on my own compost.My trees are happier (though I'm STILL have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have inthe past.robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even. Summary. 1/ 1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts. 2/ 1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes. 3/Mix, strainand spray on my grape vine. 4/ Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present. Doug - Original Message - From: Fred Finch To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies. The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they die. The plants don't care either way about the stuff. I do this on the roses that I have. Works great. Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts that my nieghbor had. He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on his face when I asked him for them was priceless. I soaked that for a day then strained that. Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and was free. Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same. fred On 6/18/06, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert,I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cuplemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that youhook on the end of a garden hose.At first I thought the idea sounded good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guyswhats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do youthink?I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed themand quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the productscrews up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.Isuppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was tothe single point missing everything else.Jimrobert and benita rabello wrote:Chris Lloyd wrote:Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It wassupposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, smeltgood and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start adding chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got washed out of itbut I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year. ChrisI've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to kill weed seeds.This also kills all of the soil fauna, which isresponsible for fertility.I made that mistake once, and since thenI've relied on my own compost.My trees are happier (though I'm STILL have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have inthe past.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. - is OK part000.txt - is OK part001.htm - is OK part001.txt - is OKhttp://www.eset.com Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK part001.htm - is OK http://www.eset.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Maybe out of line/subject here. Would like to know where to find the Pros and Cons about Silage as an animal feed in comparison to dry hay and non processed fodder. Seems some silage makes for a bad smell once the heap is opened, not savory at all, and yet cows will eat it okay. How does this compare with dry hay, licks and molasses. Is this a worm free base? Seems to be full of rotten grass and nothing but. As below I can agree for sure some composting materials will reach 80 + Deg C especially in dry ground pit decomposition, this in turn is used to kill off some of the bad bugs like parasites and such in some waste disposal systems where bacterial action causes the heat. Example, the snail shell type toilets constructed as pit toilets in some parts were designed not only for the bacteria to break down the occupying mass but was also used to kill the mosquitoes in the down draft caused by the chimney height through the long drop hole. (the mosquitoes were killed in the heat of the chimney as it was blocked with a mosquito screen stopping the poor mozzy from escaping the cooking. Doug - Original Message - From: Steve Racz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic I have to agree here. I kept an organic lawn for 10 years. I used a mulching mower to put the clippings back into the lawn and used the mower on its tallest setting. The rare time I watered (which wasn't often even though I lived in Dallas with its 100F avg temps in the summer), I watered deeply - but mostly I let the lawn go dormant in the summer. None of the neighbors complained and not that I would have cared anyway. In the fall all the leaves from the trees went into compost piles and then in the spring or fall or whenever it suited, it was sifted through a 1/2 sifter, shovelled into a spreader and on it went on top of the grass. Compost is a great 'fertiliser'. It is slow releasing and is nicely balanced in all nutrients. You don't need to water it in and you can never overapply. There are no worries from any runoff. Contrary to some misconceptions about compost - it can never get too hot - the heat is from the micro-organisms who are doing the work of breaking the organic material down. They thrive on moisture and air and they produce heat as a by-product. The more heat, the faster the breakdown. There is no need to apply heat. The heat is a byproduct, not an input to compost.. Blowing hot air through compost, is, well, a lot of hot air. If anyone is in doubt of the power of compost, try this for a summer project: sneak out to a sports field with a spreader full of compost and in huge letters, spell out your favorite team's name ( or whatever!) on the pitch and then watch what happens for the rest of the season! Compost is a natural product. As long as the source is organic, home made compost is better than anything you would have normally used instead. Steve On Monday 19 June 2006 06:11 am, DB wrote: you don't have to grind compost really fine to spread it on your lawn...break it down to about 1/2 in particles and rake it in with a wide rake. I have a one acre lot with lots of grass, orchard and garden. I only weed the garden and only mow the grass. living in the city means your lawn needs to be as nice or better than your neighbors, but that is really just an ego problem. my lawn looks just fine to me...Your lawn probabily would look just fine to me too.DB - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic JJJN wrote: Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep it lawn. the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed killers etc? I have been wondering , can you take compost and grind it really fine and spread it on the lawn water it in? Would this be good? I don't think this is off topic, as it relates directly to the mentality of dirt as a growing medium that is so pervasive and lies at the root of much difficulty in our society. I've actually had a lawn professional suggest that I rip out my lawn and replace it with garden. You seem to be more successful at growing vegetables than grass, he said. I've aereated my lawn this year and watered with mixture of compost tea and organic compost enhancement liquid. It's much greener and healthier than it's been in the past, but this method still smacks of replacing chemical fertilizers with non chemical fertilizers. It's not that I hate grass, but I'm NOT pleased with the monoculture mentality that insists it must be of a uniform species. When we first
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
lres1 wrote: Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even. Summary. 1/ 1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts. 2/ 1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes. 3/Mix, strainand spray on my grape vine. 4/ Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present. Doug We have a plant nursery nearby that is run by an old German fellow. He sprays his trees with soap, which he says kills the bugs and prevents deer from eating his trees. I tried this technique and it works, BUT, care must be taken because the soap dries out the tree leaves. He said to be sure to use soap, not detergent, and he didn't say anything about ammonia. However, I don't see how ammonia would hurt anything. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Hello Doug Maybe out of line/subject here. Why so? Would like to know where to find the Pros and Cons about Silage as an animal feed in comparison to dry hay and non processed fodder. Seems some silage makes for a bad smell once the heap is opened, not savory at all, and yet cows will eat it okay. How does this compare with dry hay, licks and molasses. Is this a worm free base? Seems to be full of rotten grass and nothing but. It's not rotten, it's fermented. It's usually better feeding value than hay, but that's only because hay is usually poorly made, much of the value is lost in the drying. For sound information on this, see Newman Turner (fell text online): Fertility Farming by Newman Turner http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#turner1 More information here: http://www.soilandhealth.org/ Soil and Health Library Agriculture Library Sykes, Friend. Humus and the Farmer. London: Faber and Faber Limited, 1946 These two books should answer your questions fully. Actually silage vs hay is not an either/or, they're complementary, use both. More resources here: http://journeytoforever.org/farm_pasture.html Pasture for small farmers: Journey to Forever As below I can agree for sure some composting materials will reach 80 + Deg C especially in dry ground pit decomposition, this in turn is used to kill off some of the bad bugs like parasites and such in some waste disposal systems where bacterial action causes the heat. Any thermophilic compost will kill parasites, as long as it spends some time above 55 deg C or so, and as long as all of it goes through that heat process (in other words turn it so what was at the edges gets heated up the second time). Hotter is better but not essential - it won't improve the product much, if at all, just the speed of breakdown. We've already bmn through this recently, here: Re: [Biofuel] Crude Glycerin and Hot Compost http://snipurl.com/rymc Best Keith Example, the snail shell type toilets constructed as pit toilets in some parts were designed not only for the bacteria to break down the occupying mass but was also used to kill the mosquitoes in the down draft caused by the chimney height through the long drop hole. (the mosquitoes were killed in the heat of the chimney as it was blocked with a mosquito screen stopping the poor mozzy from escaping the cooking. Doug - Original Message - From: Steve Racz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic I have to agree here. I kept an organic lawn for 10 years. I used a mulching mower to put the clippings back into the lawn and used the mower on its tallest setting. The rare time I watered (which wasn't often even though I lived in Dallas with its 100F avg temps in the summer), I watered deeply - but mostly I let the lawn go dormant in the summer. None of the neighbors complained and not that I would have cared anyway. In the fall all the leaves from the trees went into compost piles and then in the spring or fall or whenever it suited, it was sifted through a 1/2 sifter, shovelled into a spreader and on it went on top of the grass. Compost is a great 'fertiliser'. It is slow releasing and is nicely balanced in all nutrients. You don't need to water it in and you can never overapply. There are no worries from any runoff. Contrary to some misconceptions about compost - it can never get too hot - the heat is from the micro-organisms who are doing the work of breaking the organic material down. They thrive on moisture and air and they produce heat as a by-product. The more heat, the faster the breakdown. There is no need to apply heat. The heat is a byproduct, not an input to compost.. Blowing hot air through compost, is, well, a lot of hot air. If anyone is in doubt of the power of compost, try this for a summer project: sneak out to a sports field with a spreader full of compost and in huge letters, spell out your favorite team's name ( or whatever!) on the pitch and then watch what happens for the rest of the season! Compost is a natural product. As long as the source is organic, home made compost is better than anything you would have normally used instead. Steve On Monday 19 June 2006 06:11 am, DB wrote: you don't have to grind compost really fine to spread it on your lawn...break it down to about 1/2 in particles and rake it in with a wide rake. I have a one acre lot with lots of grass, orchard and garden. I only weed the garden and only mow the grass. living in the city means your lawn needs to be as nice or better than your neighbors, but that is really just an ego problem. my lawn looks just fine to me...Your lawn probabily would look just fine to me too.DB - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June
Re: [Biofuel] question regarding versus unreacted oil
Hello jdnt how do you tell the difference between soap and unreacted oil.. we are using used beef tallow for our base stock and having problems with a third layer forming in our settling tank...we are using the two stage base base method any help would be great. What's the titration of the used beef tallow? What temperature did you process it at, and what is the temperature it settles at? Best Keith thanks, jdnt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even. Summary. 1/ 1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts. 2/ 1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes. 3/ Mix, strain and spray on my grape vine. 4/ Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present. Doug Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though. Best Keith - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Fred Finch To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies. The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they die. The plants don't care either way about the stuff. I do this on the roses that I have. Works great. Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts that my nieghbor had. He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on his face when I asked him for them was priceless. I soaked that for a day then strained that. Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and was free. Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same. fred On 6/18/06, JJJN mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cup lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that you hook on the end of a garden hose. At first I thought the idea sounded good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guys whats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do you think? I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the product screws up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs. I suppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to the single point missing everything else. Jim robert and benita rabello wrote: Chris Lloyd wrote: Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, smelt good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start adding chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got washed out of it but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year. Chris I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to kill weed seeds. This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is responsible for fertility. I made that mistake once, and since then I've relied on my own compost. My trees are happier (though I'm STILL have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have in the past. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Keith Addison wrote: Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though. Best Keith This is why the whole pest management approach is fundamentally flawed. Plants should be able to tolerate mild infestation, and a system in balance should provide predators to keep the overall pest numbers down. I don't want to kill the wasps and ladybeetles that feed on the aphids infesting my plum trees. I want the trees healthy enough to deal with insect pests on their own. We have fruit on our plum trees for the first time! (Yeah!) But the ONE pear on our pear tree has fallen off, and the cherry tree has produced two cherries this year, one of which also fell off. The pink dogwood I planted for my sweetheart in our front yard looks far healthier than ever, and there's a ring of very dark grass around its drip line. That grass sends its side roots into the compost I've put beneath the dogwood tree, and as a result, has become the best looking grass on my property! My saintly mother-in-law came over for a visit yesterday and commented on how good our yard is looking. I haven't sprayed any of our trees this year because I want to see how well compost treatment works to strengthen them. She thinks we've learned a lot about soil remediation, and the evidence can be seen in vigorous growth and blossoming. Now, if only I could make enough compost to cover the entire lawn . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!
Charles, I think you would get a split, whether your chemicals were pure or somewhat contaminated. The problem would be more a matter of achieving a complete reaction. i.e. You would get biodiesel, but it might not pass quality tests. I admit to being as perplexed as you Is it correct to say that your first problems arose when you started using the creamy canola oil? (150 L batch and now w. 70L and even 1L batches). When I hear creamy oil I think animal fat and/or water buzzed into the oil by the impelled in a pump. Do you pre-heat it before processing? If so, does it turn clear? You mention that the oil turns solid at 10C (50F). This suggests that the oil contains some animal fat . from cooking. The canola oil I've used remained liquid below 10C. How does the color of the oil, after heating, compare to the color of the biodiesel you made? I've made some very dark BD from very dark WVO. (see archives: Very Dark Biodiesel, help needed Oct 20/05) I couldn't see the split w/o very bright light. Let's just consider one or two things: 1. You have done several successful test batches using virgin oil and then WVO so that you are on solid ground as to the measurements and procedure. In fact you have been successful scaling up to 40L. (I assume you used a different WVO) 2. Re: your recent 1 L test batch: You cannot see any split even when viewed w. a bright light? Remove a sample from the top and a sample from the bottom. (Keep them separate.) Perform a wash test on each sample. Do the samples behave differently (from each other) when you perform a wash test on them? What did you get for a titration on the oil? If all else fails, you may have to go to other sources of WVO. You had success up to 40L. You got clear cut splits, BD that washed, and may well have passed quality tests. Before frustration overwhelms you it might be a good idea to go back to where you were successful. Scale up using the same WVO that you were successful with and perform quality test to fine tune your process. If this creamy canola still fascinates you, do some 1L. test batches with it. You mentioned New Zealand; winter on your doorstep. Gotta get you making heating fuel. I'm on the other side of the equator summer's heating up. Good luck, and let me know how it goes. Tom - Original Message - From: Charles List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed! Hi Tom Thanks for that, I tried 70l at the weekend and end-product still black, so I tried a 1l batch, still black!! I am using new KOH and new methanol (as I'm scaling up I bought in bulk for the first time) so could it be one of these that's the problem? If so, how do I test if they're any good? I'm getting some kind of reaction as the black product is liquid at zero Celsius, and my oil is solid at 10 degrees, but I can't see any split at all and, as I said, the product is very very dark brown, almost black!! Charles On 17/06/2006, at 1:59 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Charles, I think that if you drop back to 80 L you are still making a goodly bit of fuel. You still may have to tweak the process ... increase time and or temp. Get it right there and then go up in 5 or 10L increments, testing each batch, and again, tweaking, if necessary. I went from small test batches and slowly increased volume up to 20 - 25 L batches. I then jumped up to 130L batches. When I discovered that the biodiesel wasn't as good as I thought, I dropped back to 76L (20 gal)batches. After increasing processing time and then increasing temp to 140F (60C) , I finally began to consistently make BD that passed the methanol solubility test and did not drop out additional glycerine when I reprocessed 1L of finished product. The limitation on my system seems to be about 91L (24 gal) and is probably the volume limit of my pump, a 1 Clearwater pump. I still quality test each batch, not just to be sure of the fuel, but as a maintenance test for the processor and the materials being used. Is my recovered methanol pure enough? (If I use the first 4 gal I recover, the BD passes the quality test. When I use the first 6 gallons, little buggers show up in the methanol sol. test). Slow and methodical pays off. Best of luck. Let me know how it goes, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Jim, Robert and Keith had a great exchange earlier in the year about gardening and composting. It really got me going. I've gone back to vegetables/fruits. Flowers had been taking over. A neighbor dropped off a load of horse manure just yesterday and promised another today. I was out early and prepared a big drum of manure tea. The plants love it. Have no fear about harvesting those Jerusalem artichokes. I've dug up whole sections of ground where they grew. I pulled out every tubers I could find. A week or two later they were back, and the following year, in full force. It was as if I have only thinned them out. Off topic...??? Talk about soil around here and you get a response, huh? Tom - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Hi Thomas, Thanks, I will start putting compost on soon. Every thing is going well except my gourds, they dont seem to like this latitude or something. My jeruselum artichokes are going crazy they are already 4-5 feet tall. I hope we get a late summer as last year they blossomed - a rare thing here. The tubers are exceptional eating. I went containers with Tomatoes and Peppers to save space. I am just amazed at how responsive plants are to real soil. How are your gardening ventures doing? Jim Thomas Kelly wrote: Jim, My lawn is in the middle of pasture land, so grasses of one type or another grow pretty well. I use sifted compost to bring back areas that have been damaged (after a winter of dogs pee-ing on the grass just out the back door). I have two sifters: a large one with 1/2 hardware cloth and a smaller one w. 1/4 hardware cloth. I sift a large amount of compost w the larger one, let some of it dry a day or two. Then I sift the dried siftings with the smaller screen. This finely sifted compost is great for lawns/potting plants. I use it in trouble areas - to bring them back. It's much too valuable to me to use on large areas of lawn. How's the garden coming? Tom - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep it lawn. the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed killers etc? I have been wondering , can you take compost and grind it really fine and spread it on the lawn water it in? Would this be good? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Since we're on the topic, ...Re: Lawn question off topic
I live in Virginia and my yard is infested with small red bugs - about the size of a lentil. Any idea what they are? Or, can someone point to a good resource for looking them up? robert and benita rabello wrote: Keith Addison wrote: Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though. Best Keith This is why the whole pest management approach is fundamentally flawed. Plants should be able to tolerate mild infestation, and a system in balance should provide predators to keep the overall pest numbers down. I don't want to kill the wasps and ladybeetles that feed on the aphids infesting my plum trees. I want the trees healthy enough to deal with insect pests on their own. We have fruit on our plum trees for the first time! (Yeah!) But the ONE pear on our pear tree has fallen off, and the cherry tree has produced two cherries this year, one of which also fell off. The pink dogwood I planted for my sweetheart in our front yard looks far healthier than ever, and there's a ring of very dark grass around its drip line. That grass sends its side roots into the compost I've put beneath the dogwood tree, and as a result, has become the best looking grass on my property! My saintly mother-in-law came over for a visit yesterday and commented on how good our yard is looking. I haven't sprayed any of our trees this year because I want to see how well compost treatment works to strengthen them. She thinks we've learned a lot about soil remediation, and the evidence can be seen in vigorous growth and blossoming. Now, if only I could make enough compost to cover the entire lawn . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The solution to Iran Venezuela...
THOUGHT OF THE DAY: "When someone asked Abraham Lincoln, after he was elected president, what he was going to do about his enemies, he replied, 'I am going to destroy them. I am going to make them my friends.' " - Abraham Lincoln ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 90 litre reactor details published.
Hi Mike; I taught a course over the weekend at a local organic farm and we built one of my 90 litre vacuum processors. I would have liked to have a CD like that to hand out. I couldn't get into process much as it took the whole weekend for us to build a system. I will teach a second course on processing but I think in future I would like to combine build and process workshops and I think I can do this if we have the reactor frame welded by someone outside the course ahead of time. It would be nice if everyone was able to walk away with a CD that contained all the reactor building documentation as well as a reference on process. At this point I feel like I am running out of steam and I want some of the summer to do some flying but even if I was to sit down and write something out myself it would still end up being a regurgitation of all the wisdom I have garnered here and on J2F. Not direct plagiarism perhaps but on the other hand I don't have the hart at the moment to sit down and start writing. I need to sky out for a while. If anyone on the list is interested in compiling something for free distribution, it would be great and I'd like to know about it. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: In all seriousness, I wonder if we could just offer a cheap CD or PDF of open source plans on Ebay for 2.00 or 3.00 dollars. I personally buy free software on CD for 5-7 dollars just because it's easy and saves me money and time. I don't begrudge someone charging a nominal fee to download, burn a CD, and package it it with documentation. I am willing to pay for the convenience. What is wrong is passing of JtF stuff as your own, and charging a fortune for it. The key is that you can't charge for the info, just the CD and printing. Have a look at http://www.cheapbytes.com/ I made my own BD notebook of info from all over the 'net - some JtF, some other places. Whatever made sense. I wouldn't sell it, though. people can copy it for free. -Weaver raymond greeley wrote: Hello, i believe you can offer multiple instructions at a determined price on ebay, i have seen things this way. where is your teachingfacility. i would be interested assuming i would need to travel. I will review the online plans before i write back. I am in chicago and did have several travel plans scheduled this summer and might be able to include a stop to visiit your work. I have people here that woudl be interested in doing a cooperative reactor in chicago. are you doing any diesel auto adaption for wvo. thanks, ray From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 90 litre reactor details published. Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:30:14 -0400 I don't know anything about ebay or how it works. Could I auction it to the lowest bidder? ;) Joe Mike Weaver wrote: You could post a copy of the plans on Ebay but offer it for a penny. That would put a stop to the ripoffs. Joe Street wrote: Hello everyone; I have finally published the details and construction manual for the 90 litre version of my system which I have upscaled from the 30 litre prototype. All info is copylefted of course but I hope people will check it out and give me some feedback. If anyone on this list ever notices my work being sold anywhere (like ebay) please let me know so I can take action. Here is the link: http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/90%20Liter%20Reactor%20build%20manual.pdf This is the system we are going to use in our local cooperative. I am teaching a course this weekend based on this system. 15 students are registered. I hope it goes well. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Hi Doug, I've used amixture of soap and isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) with good results. This mixture is a contact poison that only works while wet. That means you actually have to get the spray on to the beasties and repeated applications are usually necessary.I would suggest is that you reduce the liquid soap to about 1 to 2 tbsp (15 - 30ml) and add 1 cup ofalcohol - don't know if methanol will work. The alcohol helps to get rid of the hard bodied bugs;you know, the ones that work out regularly. Good Luck Doug -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of lres1Sent: June 19, 2006 9:27 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even. Summary. 1/ 1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts. 2/ 1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes. 3/Mix, strainand spray on my grape vine. 4/ Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present. Doug - Original Message - From: Fred Finch To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies. The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they die. The plants don't care either way about the stuff. I do this on the roses that I have. Works great. Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts that my nieghbor had. He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on his face when I asked him for them was priceless. I soaked that for a day then strained that. Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and was free. Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same. fred On 6/18/06, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert,I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cuplemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that youhook on the end of a garden hose.At first I thought the idea sounded good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guyswhats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do youthink?I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed themand quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the productscrews up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.Isuppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was tothe single point missing everything else.Jimrobert and benita rabello wrote:Chris Lloyd wrote:Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It wassupposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, smeltgood and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start adding chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got washed out of itbut I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year. ChrisI've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to kill weed seeds.This also kills all of the soil fauna, which isresponsible for fertility.I made that mistake once, and since thenI've relied on my own compost.My trees are happier (though I'm STILL have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have inthe past.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Since we're on the topic, ...Re: Lawn question off topic
Mike, Sounds like 'Red Bugs' or Chiggers to me. We have those here in South Carolina, too. Google either for many results. Red bug bites itch worse than flea or mosquito (skeeter) bites. They are a mite. This site has a picture: http://www.enature.com/fieldguides/detail.asp?fotogID=606curPageNum=16recnum=IS0151 Also, http://beaufortusa.com/chigger.htm Is that it? On 6/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Virginia and my yard is infested with small red bugs - about the size of a lentil. Any idea what they are? Or, can someone point to a good resource for looking them up? -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Since we're on the topic, ...Re: Lawn question off topic
Hi Paul, I come from chigger country and these guys are bigger. Believe me, I know a chigger! Are there more than one kind of chigger? -Mike Paul S Cantrell wrote: Mike, Sounds like 'Red Bugs' or Chiggers to me. We have those here in South Carolina, too. Google either for many results. Red bug bites itch worse than flea or mosquito (skeeter) bites. They are a mite. This site has a picture: http://www.enature.com/fieldguides/detail.asp?fotogID=606curPageNum=16recnum=IS0151 Also, http://beaufortusa.com/chigger.htm Is that it? On 6/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Virginia and my yard is infested with small red bugs - about the size of a lentil. Any idea what they are? Or, can someone point to a good resource for looking them up? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Al Gore interview
Ha-HAH! Same post, new title. This is a fantastic interview, guys, to which there has been no response at all~! Read! Or else let's talk about our lawns. (Lawns are important too, don't get all biofuelly on me..) Al Gore interview, last month, about his global warming platform and movie. I missed it, maybe you did too. Jesse http://www.macleans.ca/culture/films/article.jsp?content=20060522_127258_127 258 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Since we're on the topic, ...Re: Lawn question off topic
Howdy Mike, I agree. I have lived most of my life in chigger country, Oklahoma and Arkansas, and the chiggers here are essentially invisible. nothing but nothing itches more or lasts as long as a chigger bite, which are invariably in embarassing locations on ones body. It is the larval form of the chiger which bites people. http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/L-1223.html Mike Weaver wrote: Hi Paul, I come from chigger country and these guys are bigger. Believe me, I know a chigger! Are there more than one kind of chigger? -Mike Paul S Cantrell wrote: Mike, Sounds like 'Red Bugs' or Chiggers to me. We have those here in South Carolina, too. Google either for many results. Red bug bites itch worse than flea or mosquito (skeeter) bites. They are a mite. This site has a picture: http://www.enature.com/fieldguides/detail.asp?fotogID=606curPageNum=16recnum=IS0151 Also, http://beaufortusa.com/chigger.htm Is that it? On 6/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Virginia and my yard is infested with small red bugs - about the size of a lentil. Any idea what they are? Or, can someone point to a good resource for looking them up? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!
Hi Tom Right, feel I'm making some progress. After a very cold night (-6C) I can now see three layers in my 1l test batch of creamy canola if I shine a light behind it. Bottom layer (20%) is solid and dark redy- brown (glycerine I hope) then thin layer (5%) what looks like unreacted oil, then rest is dark brown bio. It passes the wash test and the third wash leaves clean water underneath and brown bio on top. The bio also leaves about 20-30% residue in the methanol test. So, from this, if I assume my KOH is at fault (Occum's razor) then is there an easy way I can tell how much more KOH to add to compensate? In answer to your questions, the pre-treated oil turns very dark brown, almost black on heating past 25 degrees C and it titrates at 3.6ml (I use KOH for the titration too). My supply of normal canola has dried up as the restaurant owner has sold up and it is changing into an Indian take-away- so creamy canola is all I have to work with!! Best Charles On 20/06/2006, at 4:25 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Charles, I think you would get a split, whether your chemicals were pure or somewhat contaminated. The problem would be more a matter of achieving a complete reaction. i.e. You would get biodiesel, but it might not pass quality tests. I admit to being as perplexed as you Is it correct to say that your first problems arose when you started using the creamy canola oil? (150 L batch and now w. 70L and even 1L batches). When I hear creamy oil I think animal fat and/or water buzzed into the oil by the impelled in a pump. Do you pre-heat it before processing? If so, does it turn clear? You mention that the oil turns solid at 10C (50F). This suggests that the oil contains some animal fat . from cooking. The canola oil I've used remained liquid below 10C. How does the color of the oil, after heating, compare to the color of the biodiesel you made? I've made some very dark BD from very dark WVO. (see archives: Very Dark Biodiesel, help needed Oct 20/05) I couldn't see the split w/o very bright light. Let's just consider one or two things: 1. You have done several successful test batches using virgin oil and then WVO so that you are on solid ground as to the measurements and procedure. In fact you have been successful scaling up to 40L. (I assume you used a different WVO) 2. Re: your recent 1 L test batch: You cannot see any split even when viewed w. a bright light? Remove a sample from the top and a sample from the bottom. (Keep them separate.) Perform a wash test on each sample. Do the samples behave differently (from each other) when you perform a wash test on them? What did you get for a titration on the oil? If all else fails, you may have to go to other sources of WVO. You had success up to 40L. You got clear cut splits, BD that washed, and may well have passed quality tests. Before frustration overwhelms you it might be a good idea to go back to where you were successful. Scale up using the same WVO that you were successful with and perform quality test to fine tune your process. If this creamy canola still fascinates you, do some 1L. test batches with it. You mentioned New Zealand; winter on your doorstep. Gotta get you making heating fuel. I'm on the other side of the equator summer's heating up. Good luck, and let me know how it goes. Tom - Original Message - From: Charles List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed! Hi Tom Thanks for that, I tried 70l at the weekend and end-product still black, so I tried a 1l batch, still black!! I am using new KOH and new methanol (as I'm scaling up I bought in bulk for the first time) so could it be one of these that's the problem? If so, how do I test if they're any good? I'm getting some kind of reaction as the black product is liquid at zero Celsius, and my oil is solid at 10 degrees, but I can't see any split at all and, as I said, the product is very very dark brown, almost black!! Charles On 17/06/2006, at 1:59 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Charles, I think that if you drop back to 80 L you are still making a goodly bit of fuel. You still may have to tweak the process ... increase time and or temp. Get it right there and then go up in 5 or 10L increments, testing each batch, and again, tweaking, if necessary. I went from small test batches and slowly increased volume up to 20 - 25 L batches. I then jumped up to 130L batches. When I discovered that the biodiesel wasn't as good as I thought, I dropped back to 76L (20 gal)batches. After increasing processing time and then increasing temp to 140F (60C) , I finally began to consistently make BD
[Biofuel] Freakonomics
There is an oblique reference to this in the archives. I have just finished reading the book, and recommend that people put it on their reading lists. (No time like the present to get on your public library's waiting list.) I thoroughly enjoyed the book, even learned a thing or two. I was aware of the gun-related items, but I had not previously made the crime rate drop connection in the U.S. with Roe vs. Wade. I passed the book to my 16-year-old son. His impression was also favourable. Nice piece of de-spinning work. So many more subjects need more such treatment. From the epilogue: But the fact of the matter is that iFreakonomics/i-style thinking simply doesn't traffic in morality. As we suggested near the beginning of this book, if morality represents an ideal world, then economics represents the actual world. The most likely result of having read this book is a simple one: you may find yourself asking a lot of questions. Many of them will lead to nothing. But some will produce answers that are interesting, even surprising. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics
Darryl McMahon wrote: There is an oblique reference to this in the archives. I have just finished reading the book, and recommend that people put it on their reading lists. (No time like the present to get on your public library's waiting list.) Yes, I think I'm the one who referenced it. This is one of my stockbroker sister's favorite books. I thoroughly enjoyed the book, even learned a thing or two. I was aware of the gun-related items, but I had not previously made the crime rate drop connection in the U.S. with Roe vs. Wade. The causal relationships the author mentions are tangential, at best. I'm sure a correlation can be made with the drop in crime rate versus GDP too. In fact, I'll bet you could correlate a drop in crime rate with the introduction of Viagra . . . Nice piece of de-spinning work. So many more subjects need more such treatment. It's a great book for NeoCons. From the epilogue: But the fact of the matter is that iFreakonomics/i-style thinking simply doesn't traffic in morality. As we suggested near the beginning of this book, if morality represents an ideal world, then economics represents the actual world. If only we had reliable numbers . . . If only we could tabulate how much it REALLY costs to rape the environment, destroy human life and elevate the welfare of the wealthy over the welfare of the poor. At its core, morality IS economics, but the paradigm is upside down. The most likely result of having read this book is a simple one: you may find yourself asking a lot of questions. Many of them will lead to nothing. But some will produce answers that are interesting, even surprising. Or entirely stupid. Take your pick! Sorry Darryl, but I'm simply NOT impressed . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
