Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk?
Fantastic site! Thanks Keith. Jesse From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:47:35 +0900 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk? Hi Keith, Last year I saw video footage of these cows with their poor infected udders that was EXTREMELY convincing never to drink milk again... We do get the organic butter and coffee cream but whew, is it really much better. Jesse Hi Jesse Well, that's the same mistake militant vegetarian cultists make when they point at factory farms as the reason for not eating meat, as if there's no good way of doing it. Yes, real milk really is much better - in fact it's not the same thing, they're both white and that's about where it ends. Raw milk from a healthy cow on fertile pasture is great food! http://www.realmilk.com/why.html Campaign for Real Milk Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk?
Keith's link shows that raw milk is illegal in lots of places. We used to get it in Switzerland, but even there it was a sort of co-op arrangement among farmers and clients. You go to the barn with your little tin and buy a couple litres, and let that stand to separate. Resulting cream so thick you couldn't pour it! And the happy cows! Each one with a name and recognizable as an area resident.The dinging of their cowbells as they strolled home along the road in the evening from pasture! Okay, now I'm getting nostalgic. Thirty-five years ago I lived on a great farm where sustainability and responsible use of resources was part of life. Now I live downtown in a big dirty city, go figure. Jesse From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:26:27 -0400 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk? Yeah, except raw milk is illegal here in the land of the free. Cigarettes, no. Milk from the cow? Yes. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Keith, Last year I saw video footage of these cows with their poor infected udders that was EXTREMELY convincing never to drink milk again... We do get the organic butter and coffee cream but whew, is it really much better. Jesse Hi Jesse Well, that's the same mistake militant vegetarian cultists make when they point at factory farms as the reason for not eating meat, as if there's no good way of doing it. Yes, real milk really is much better - in fact it's not the same thing, they're both white and that's about where it ends. Raw milk from a healthy cow on fertile pasture is great food! http://www.realmilk.com/why.html Campaign for Real Milk Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring
You all know perfectly well the answer is Dilithium Crystals. No arguments, please. robert and benita rabello wrote: chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you want to go there in this forum? I'd be laughing if your proposition wasn't so sad. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring
chem.dd, Have a look at what Chernobyl is like now. It's not like you really get a second chance when you screw up with nuclear. FWIW, I think if you had started your post with: Here are examples of nulclear power working successfully; the problems that caused Three Mile Island and Chernobyl are now solved - here's the proof: (insert proof) perhaps it merits a second look for these reasons 1,2,3, you would have had a better response. You mention scientific and engineering but then no examples or research. I think you set yourself up to get hammered. And no, I personally don't think nuclear power is a good option, but would read a well-constructed post as to why I'm wrong. -Weaver scientific and engineering, as opposed to the politically correct view, the use of nuclear energy is the solution. ( Please don't scream Three Mile Island and Chernobyl) Fission reactors will have to do until we develop a functional fusion reactor which is by its physics inherently safe. Please let me know your thoughts on this. jtcava wrote: I'm getting the idea that I wouldn't want many of the people here on this online comunity anywhere near me when sh*t happens. It is my outlook that everybody has something to offer in a true survival situation. John Keith Addison wrote: I would think this is the ideal forum for discussing any aspects and options for reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, particularly in terms of sustainability. Indeed it is, as a great deal of previous discussion residing in the list archives will attest, covering, I'm sure, all aspects of the issue. What is truly sad is closed mindedness. Wouldn't you think, David, that's it's perhaps a little closed-minded to arrive at a mature forum such as this and just naturally assume such an obvious subject hasn't been dealt with here before in the last six years? I think the reason Robert would be laughing if only it wasn't so sad is that your argument has had all the substance shot right out of it long ago. It's also a little closed-minded to to assume that it's Robert who's being closed-minded, apparently without checking first to see what he might have posted on the subject before, or even checking his website, though he provides the url. This, eg: http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/p5.htm Ranger Supercharger Project Maybe you owe him an apology. I have to say the same for your views on nuclear power: From an objective scientific and engineering, as opposed to the politically correct view, the use of nuclear energy is the solution. ( Please don't scream Three Mile Island and Chernobyl) Fission reactors will have to do until we develop a functional fusion reactor which is by its physics inherently safe. Please let me know your thoughts on this. That argument has also been shot down thoroughly and many times. I find it a little sad the way you ascribe objections to nuclear power to mere politically correctness. Not objective, eh, no facts? I suggest you go and do some reading, offlist, at the address listed at the end of every message you receive from the list: Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ When you've done that (make sure you do a thorough job), please come back and offer some support for your view that objections to nuclear power have only political correctness to support them. Thankyou. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner David - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you want to go there in this forum? I'd be laughing if your proposition wasn't so sad. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
[Biofuel] Zero Emissions Coal/Hydrogen Plant
Hi List...Comments? Mike DuPree http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8IASIHG1.htm?sub=apn_news_downchan=db http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/powersystems/futuregen/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring
I have work at nuclear plants before. There are not design to reduce energy consumption. They are design to make money for the power companies. They do this as follows. First, they raise electric rates to be able to pay for the construction of the plant. It takes an average of 20 years to pay for the construction of the plant. Second, when they close the plant down, they raise the electric rates again to pay for the decommissioning of the plant. In between those times, they do as little as maintenance work as possible so that they can keep the plant online as much as possible. So, in the end, you close down the plant because the amount of work, including maintenance, is so much that it is not cost effective to do it. In the end, nuclear plants make the power company money by giving them a good reason to raise their electric rates and fail to show how long term dependence upon nuclear plants can lower and keep rates stabilized. One case in point in Trojan Nuclear Plant. It was close down and decommission because of the amount of work that needed to be done on it, including replacing the steam generators. Trojan operated for around 30 years, give or take. If nuclear plants were the solution to the problem, then the nuclear plants built 30 years ago would be pointed to as shining examples of why we need nuclear power. But, instead, the nuclear industry is not wanting the public to think or go see how they are doing. There is a very good reason for this. As the saying goes, connect the dots. Jeff - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd, Have a look at what Chernobyl is like now. It's not like you really get a second chance when you screw up with nuclear. FWIW, I think if you had started your post with: Here are examples of nulclear power working successfully; the problems that caused Three Mile Island and Chernobyl are now solved - here's the proof: (insert proof) perhaps it merits a second look for these reasons 1,2,3, you would have had a better response. You mention scientific and engineering but then no examples or research. I think you set yourself up to get hammered. And no, I personally don't think nuclear power is a good option, but would read a well-constructed post as to why I'm wrong. -Weaver scientific and engineering, as opposed to the politically correct view, the use of nuclear energy is the solution. ( Please don't scream Three Mile Island and Chernobyl) Fission reactors will have to do until we develop a functional fusion reactor which is by its physics inherently safe. Please let me know your thoughts on this. jtcava wrote: I'm getting the idea that I wouldn't want many of the people here on this online comunity anywhere near me when sh*t happens. It is my outlook that everybody has something to offer in a true survival situation. John Keith Addison wrote: I would think this is the ideal forum for discussing any aspects and options for reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, particularly in terms of sustainability. Indeed it is, as a great deal of previous discussion residing in the list archives will attest, covering, I'm sure, all aspects of the issue. What is truly sad is closed mindedness. Wouldn't you think, David, that's it's perhaps a little closed-minded to arrive at a mature forum such as this and just naturally assume such an obvious subject hasn't been dealt with here before in the last six years? I think the reason Robert would be laughing if only it wasn't so sad is that your argument has had all the substance shot right out of it long ago. It's also a little closed-minded to to assume that it's Robert who's being closed-minded, apparently without checking first to see what he might have posted on the subject before, or even checking his website, though he provides the url. This, eg: http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/p5.htm Ranger Supercharger Project Maybe you owe him an apology. I have to say the same for your views on nuclear power: From an objective scientific and engineering, as opposed to the politically correct view, the use of nuclear energy is the solution. ( Please don't scream Three Mile Island and Chernobyl) Fission reactors will have to do until we develop a functional fusion reactor which is by its physics inherently safe. Please let me know your thoughts on this. That argument has also been shot down thoroughly and many times. I find it a little sad the way you ascribe objections to nuclear power to mere politically correctness. Not objective, eh, no facts? I suggest you go and do some reading, offlist, at the address listed at the end of every message you receive from the list: Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!
Hi Tom As a further aside- I am, of course, trying to make the best biodiesel i can, but what % of impurities (ie methanol test failure) did you burner put up with? I'm down to 10% with my 1l trial runs now as I tweak the process for my creamy canola. Charles On 22/06/2006, at 12:20 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Charles, I did as you plan to put a T in the line so I could have a small experimental tank, and gradually increased BD conc. Had no problem until about 50 - 60% BD. Some minor adjustments to the burner at that point. An interesting development: The shut off valves in the line apparently have a rubber or plastic seal. The valve from the large tank (30% biodiesel : 70% petro) is fine. The valve from the smaller tank (100% BD) is dripping. gives me something to do this morning. Tom - Original Message - From: Charles List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed! Hi Tom Many thanks for the advice. I will let you know how I get on. I intend (hopefully) to run B100 in my boiler. I was planning to ask about the adjustments I will have to make! I have set up a T-piece on the fuel feed so I can try small amount of different % to see how I go. Best Charles On 21/06/2006, at 2:30 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Charles, Then creamy canola it is. It sounds as though you are getting a reaction . methanol test tells us it is not complete. Could be the KOH I have gotten new caustic that was not the concentration the seller (or the bag) said it was. Do you have (or can you get) a sample of KOH (or NaOH) of known purity? You could titrate a sample of the WVO with the caustic of known purity and then titrate the same oil w. the new, questionable KOH. A comparison of the titrations on the same WVO would indicate its purity. I would do it like this: (corrections appreciated) 1. Divide the titration for the known by the titration for the unknown. (Titration is inverse to concentration) 2. Multiply result by the conc. of the known. Ex: Known KOH is 85% and titration = 3.0 g/L Unknown KOH titrates 3.6 g/L 1. 3.0 divided by 3.6 = 0.8 2. 0.8 X .85 = .708 Unknown = 70.8% KOH If the Known caustic is NaOH, then multiply its titration by 1.4 prior to step 1. You wrote: Bottom layer (20%) is solid and dark redy- brown (glycerine I hope) then thin layer (5%) what looks like unreacted oil, then rest is dark brown bio. It passes the wash test and the third wash leaves clean water underneath and brown bio on top. The bio also leaves about 20-30% residue in the methanol test. Bottom layer: glycerine, I think Top layer: biodiesel + unreacted glycerides (that precipitate out in the methanol test) Middle layer: soaps?3.6g KOH/L WVO titration suggests you will get some soap, but I think 5% is a bit high ... especially if you are not using enough caustic. Could there be water in the oil (does it sizzle/pop when heated?) Be patient. Check the KOH. Heat a sample of the oil. Stir it ... be careful, if there's water in it will spatter. Hang in there, Tom P.S. What % biodiesel do you intend to burn in your boiler? Any adjustments to the burner (pressure, nozzle, air flow?) (Just curious) - Original Message - From: Charles List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed! Hi Tom Right, feel I'm making some progress. After a very cold night (-6C) I can now see three layers in my 1l test batch of creamy canola if I shine a light behind it. Bottom layer (20%) is solid and dark redy- brown (glycerine I hope) then thin layer (5%) what looks like unreacted oil, then rest is dark brown bio. It passes the wash test and the third wash leaves clean water underneath and brown bio on top. The bio also leaves about 20-30% residue in the methanol test. So, from this, if I assume my KOH is at fault (Occum's razor) then is there an easy way I can tell how much more KOH to add to compensate? In answer to your questions, the pre-treated oil turns very dark brown, almost black on heating past 25 degrees C and it titrates at 3.6ml (I use KOH for the titration too). My supply of normal canola has dried up as the restaurant owner has sold up and it is changing into an Indian take-away- so creamy canola is all I have to work with!! Best Charles On 20/06/2006, at 4:25 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Charles, I think you would get a split, whether your chemicals were pure or somewhat
[Biofuel] water-fuel system
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[Biofuel] electric car now viable
more at webpage http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/01/eestor_ultracap.htmlThe electric car is the transport of the future. To date energy storage has been the bottleneck.It is a parallel plate capacitor with barium titanate as the dielectric. It claims that it can make a battery at half the cost per kilowatt-hour and one-tenth the weight of lead-acid batteries. As of last year selling price would start at $3,200 and fall to $2,100 in high-volume production The product weighs 400 pounds and delivers 52 kilowatt-hours. The batteries fully charge in minutes as opposed to hours. The EEStor technology has been tested up to a million cycles with no material degradation compared to lead acid batteries that optimistically have 500 to 700 recharge cycles, Because it's a solid state battery rather than a chemical battery, such being the case for lithium ion technology, there would be no overheating and thus safety concerns with using it in a vehicle. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Genetically modified food is connected with great economic concerns
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[Biofuel] diesel injector
http://www.rexresearch.com/kukler/kukler.htm Ronald KUKLER Diesel Injectorwww.greendieselcorp.com --- email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tritonfoundation.org.au --- A hydraulically operated, super-high pressure diesel injector, installed in place of the standard injector, that produces 30% higher pressure, consumes 30% less fuel, and reduces pollution. It is expected to retail for ~ $1000. Ron Kukler: "A 2-stage hydraulic/electronic fuel delivery system creates extremely high injection pressures of 160,000 psi compared to about 23,000 psi for traditional coon rail injection systems. Fuel-injected at higher pressure results in a much cleaner combustion process and a multitude of benefits evident in the much-improved engine performance figures". The system has been tested for durability by Prof. Eric Milkins (Dept. Mechanical Engineering, Melbourne University) for over 10,000 hours. From www.greendieselcorp.com: "Existing diesel common rail systems cost approx. 25% of engine cost. Green Diesel's fuel system costs approx. 3% of engine cost. We do not use a complicated and expensive high pressure pump, and our electrics are simple. Existing engine management systmes will operate satisfactorily with Green Diesel's fuel system. Millions of dollars and thousands of professional man-hours have already been invested in our produce. We have engaged university scholars, national award winning professionals, engineers, doctors of mechanical engineering and experienced technicians utilizing thermodynamic laboratory facilities, dynamometers, flue-gas analyzers, particulate tunnel testing and wolf sensors in conjunction with Melbourne University's own Combustion Analysis in Real Time (CART) computer program. Testing results to date: Dramatic increase in horse power, dramatic increase in torque, band width, and durability, reduction in specific fuel consumption and in all pollutants, and dramatic reduction in cost, simplicity, noise, vibration, weight and size. Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] car advertisement from Great Britain
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Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk?
raw milk is not illegal per se, it is illegal to market and sell it as a consumable item for humans, call it a cat/dog/other mammal pet food supplement and sell it in litre or 2 litre jars with the proper labels and noone can say a word. there are ways around just about every law. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk? Keith's link shows that raw milk is illegal in lots of places. We used to get it in Switzerland, but even there it was a sort of co-op arrangement among farmers and clients. You go to the barn with your little tin and buy a couple litres, and let that stand to separate. Resulting cream so thick you couldn't pour it! And the happy cows! Each one with a name and recognizable as an area resident.The dinging of their cowbells as they strolled home along the road in the evening from pasture! Okay, now I'm getting nostalgic. Thirty-five years ago I lived on a great farm where sustainability and responsible use of resources was part of life. Now I live downtown in a big dirty city, go figure. Jesse From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:26:27 -0400 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk? Yeah, except raw milk is illegal here in the land of the free. Cigarettes, no. Milk from the cow? Yes. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Keith, Last year I saw video footage of these cows with their poor infected udders that was EXTREMELY convincing never to drink milk again... We do get the organic butter and coffee cream but whew, is it really much better. Jesse Hi Jesse Well, that's the same mistake militant vegetarian cultists make when they point at factory farms as the reason for not eating meat, as if there's no good way of doing it. Yes, real milk really is much better - in fact it's not the same thing, they're both white and that's about where it ends. Raw milk from a healthy cow on fertile pasture is great food! http://www.realmilk.com/why.html Campaign for Real Milk Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 6/25/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 6/25/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Coming Political Revolution
it seems to me that the US government is scared of my age group (15-30) i keep hearing of these bizarre laws and regulations trying to control us, but they either dont work or backfire completely. they are afraid of us because they know we will be running the place soon enough. all i have to offer is a bumper sticker i saw on the freeway a few weeks ago. Be nice to your kids, they'll be choosing your nursing home. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Coming Political Revolution http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_political_revolution_coming.060619.htm Alternet, June 19, 2006 The Coming Political Revolution The era of corporate welfare and trickle-down economics championed by Republicans for 25 years is over. It's up to us to think of what will replace it. [Rachel's introduction: William Greider says, Momentous change is approaching in American politics. Conceivably, the turning point has already arrived, too indistinct to recognize. We are witnessing the demise of the reigning economic ideology. A deep shift of this kind is a very rare event, one that comes along only every thirty or forty years. Economic disorders accumulate that the orthodoxy cannot answer and may even have caused. Eventually, the ideological presumptions are discredited by real-world contradictions.] By William Greider, The Nation Momentous change is approaching in American politics. Conceivably, the turning point has already arrived, too indistinct to recognize. We are witnessing the demise of the reigning economic ideology. A deep shift of this kind is a very rare event, one that comes along only every thirty or forty years. Economic disorders accumulate that the orthodoxy cannot answer and may even have caused. Eventually, the ideological presumptions are discredited by real-world contradictions. The last time this happened was in the 1970s, when economic liberalism foundered and collapsed. Ossified intellectually, unable to adjust to changed circumstances, the liberal order did not know how to deal with economic consequences like inflationary stagnation. As the long postwar prosperity lost its energy, so did liberal politics. Something similar is happening now to the Republicans. Their problem is the underperforming economy, which must borrow to stay afloat and, roughly speaking, lifts only half the boats. The conservative order -- inspired two generations ago by Milton Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek and brought to power by Republican ascendancy -- pushed government aside so business and capital would be free to generate more lasting prosperity. But their utopian promise was not fulfilled. Instead, the right's principal product, one can say, was economic inequality. The breakdown won't necessarily produce an immediate shift in power. When the bottom fell out of liberal doctrine thirty years ago, what first unfolded was confusion and political paralysis, then an awkward retreat by the Democrats until they were finally displaced by the aggressive new conservatives under Ronald Reagan. But it does mean that Republicans have lost the political cohesion to advance their more extreme measures (privatizing Social Security, freeing capital entirely of taxation). More to the point, the way is now open for alternative thinking: the new ideas that can lead to a new governing order. These ideas must be grounded in a determination to give people back their future. The strange paradox of our times is that despite America's fabulous wealth, most people's lives are shadowed by economic anxieties and real confinements, the wounds that market ideology has imposed. They fear that much worse is ahead for their children. Reform must re- establish this fundamental principle: The economy exists to support society and people, not the other way around. Only government can liberate them from the harsh rule of the marketplace, the demands imposed by capital and corporations that stunt or stymie the full pursuit of life and liberty in this complex industrial society. This very wealthy country has the capacity to insure that all citizens, regardless of status or skills, have the essential needs to pursue secure, self-directed lives. This starts with the right to health, work, livable incomes and open-ended education, and to participate meaningfully in the decisions that govern their lives. The marketplace has no interest in providing these. It is actively destroying them. A coherent alternative agenda that will fulfill these principles does not yet exist. Nor will a liberal-progressive program emerge miraculously if the Democratic Party should somehow regain power in the next few years, since many Democrats in Congress have internalized the market ideology and collaborate with the
Re: [Biofuel] DIE MICRO$OFT!!!!
about 5 years ago. it was one of those MAC-IBM wannabe conversions that were supposed to be compatible with more clone based programs than the previous macs. i was taking business classes in high school my senior year. not pleasant. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: chem.dd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] DIE MICRO$OFT Depends what you mean by control. The Mac OS is now based on UNIX you cant find a more stable or well documented OS. The new Macs are now running on Intel duel processors so the old addage that my favorate software isn't writtin for Macs is no longer valid. Mac lets you get into the Unix kernel and control all you want or can. The only possibe downside is now that the Mac is Mactel will it become more susceptible to windows focused attacks. Just out of currosity when was the last time you looked at a Mac? David - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] DIE MICRO$OFT ;P i like the control a pc offers. my experiences with mac werent exactly the best Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: chem.dd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] DIE MICRO$OFT Dont go half way, relax and just buy a MAC. David - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: [Biofuel] DIE MICRO$OFT i finally cracked to the point where i went to bed angry last night. M$ is really tweaking my tail and ive decided to take on the Hat. Linux FEDORA, here i come!!! Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 6/25/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
