[Biofuel] cleaner diesel, ozone hole healing
Calif. Gets Cleaner Burning Diesel Fuel http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1156314749.news Scientists Extend Time Ozone Layer Needs to Repair Itself http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1156315370.news Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Mind Control : America's Secret War
America's Hidden History Mind Control : America's Secret War U.S. intelligence agencies spent millions on top-secret mind control projects with a goal of creating totally dependable, programmable human robots. The projects involved brutal, often terminal experiments on thousands of unwitting citizens in direct defiance of law, all ethical codes, and the most basic human rights. We talk to author John Marks, who broke the story of the CIA's experiments known as MK-ULTRA and a woman whose past was erased by a brainwashing experiment. 07/04/06 Runtime 50 Minutes http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13845.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Google search FAILURE
Subject: Google knows everything 1- Go to www.Google.com 2- Type in Failure 3- Look at the first listing and laugh at what comes up first 4- Tell others before the people at Google Fix it! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What the bleep -was galloway
Kind sir, Thank your for your gratitude. However, I find myself entirely outdone by your short but profound response. I shall now follow the advice of my esteemed virtual colleague, Mr. Weaver and retire to the loo for a bath. Ta ta, - Redler Martin Kemple wrote: Thanks Mike! Intriguing perspective. Though I'm preternaturally suspicious of our (Westerners') proclivity for exceptionalism (from the creed of Manifest Destiny on the one extreme, to its opposite - that we're inveterate "predator-imperialists," on the other), it's a hard box to escape from. Adam Smith / E.F. Schumacher - two sides of the came coin? Know what I mean? That is: Not only are we moderns "different", we're more different than anybody else has ever been. What's up with that? I recoil at the idea, yet can't get away from it. Like a dark magnet : o -MK On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Michael Redler wrote: Martin, Necessity can be broadly defined by what is popularly needed in a civilization.Since "Necessity is the Mother of invention", it stands to reason that the path to any invention is paved by the civilization from which it came. Thecivilizations youmentioned were content withtechnical developments that required only what was immediately availableto them fromtheir environment.In my opinionthat's something which our ambitious culture hasn't yet been able toappreciate. AsE. F.Schuhmacher explained so effectively in his writing, the so called "modern world" and it's technology has often taken us in directions whichdoes more harm than good. It's presumptuous to quantify the progress of civilizationby a hand full of great inventors and assume that they have made the world a better place. I say this as someone who has two engineering degrees,a patent of my ownand a wife who is a research scientist and a PhD. in Chemistry. I admire all the people mentioned in this thread plus many who have yet to be mentioned. However,to put things in perspective,one needs to ask ifthe work of particular inventorsare a measure of progress in acivilization (irrespective of politics): Could any of these people have been able to do what they did without the work of their predecessors and thecivilization from which they came? Should we be thankful for a passion which was beyond their control andgrew from their ownnatural curiosity? Tesla and Edison represent twofundamental ideologiesanda broad range of innovative thinking. Tesla, a theorist, would have not made the progress he did, without the work ofpeople born (as much as four hundred years) before him like Newton, Pascal, Fourier, etc. Edison's assets surrounded him every hour of every day. He was inspired by and built upon every technology to which he was exposed, representative of every inventor which came before him. I think it's also important to mention that technology evolves with the priorities of our civilization. By that, I mean you can'tjudge people likeJonas Salk, J. RobertOppenheimer, the Wright Brothersor Richard Gatlinguntil you've also judged those who used their inventions and examined the inventor's justification for it's development. If I boiled all this down to a single question, it would be: If we were able to measure the "success","progress",etc. of"the modern world", who would get the credit? Similar questions include: How high is up? How dark is gray? -Redler Martin Kemple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: Why didn't most Native Americans, for example, master the wheel for transportation on their own? Why didn't the Chinese, for starters, invent internal combustion much earlier than the opportunists who did? And why didn't the Arabs, for instance, harness electricity much sooner than the nitwits who stumbled onto it? In other words: Why did it all take so dang long, and then all happen seemingly at once? -Martin K. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What the bleep -was galloway
A warm bath hath charms to soothe the savage list member ;-) For you, Don Kemple, remember: Incomprehesibility is a gift, son, use it wisely. A Nation of Shopkeepers, all selling local-produced goods? Forgive me, my Schumacher is pretty rusty. Yes, a Calivinist nation - all claiming exceptionalism - but this is a collective thing, not really individual. But I think that we are now at a stage where, under the leadership of GW, we're mouthing all nations are equal, but, we're just equalerer than the other equal ones. 4 legs good, 2 legs bad. 4 legs good, 2 legs bad. 4 legs good, 2 legs bad. Mike Redler wrote: Kind sir, Thank your for your gratitude. However, I find myself entirely outdone by your short but profound response. I shall now follow the advice of my esteemed virtual colleague, Mr. Weaver and retire to the loo for a bath. Ta ta, - Redler Martin Kemple wrote: Thanks Mike! Intriguing perspective. Though I'm preternaturally suspicious of our (Westerners') proclivity for exceptionalism (from the creed of Manifest Destiny on the one extreme, to its opposite - that we're inveterate predator-imperialists, on the other), it's a hard box to escape from. Adam Smith / E.F. Schumacher - two sides of the came coin? Know what I mean? That is: Not only are we moderns different, we're more different than anybody else has ever been. What's up with that? I recoil at the idea, yet can't get away from it. Like a dark magnet : o -MK On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Michael Redler wrote: Martin, Necessity can be broadly defined by what is popularly needed in a civilization. Since Necessity is the Mother of invention, it stands to reason that the path to any invention is paved by the civilization from which it came. The civilizations you mentioned were content with technical developments that required only what was immediately available to them from their environment. In my opinion that's something which our ambitious culture hasn't yet been able to appreciate. As E. F. Schuhmacher explained so effectively in his writing, the so called modern world and it's technology has often taken us in directions which does more harm than good. It's presumptuous to quantify the progress of civilization by a hand full of great inventors and assume that they have made the world a better place. I say this as someone who has two engineering degrees, a patent of my own and a wife who is a research scientist and a PhD. in Chemistry. I admire all the people mentioned in this thread plus many who have yet to be mentioned. However, to put things in perspective, one needs to ask if the work of particular inventors are a measure of progress in a civilization (irrespective of politics): Could any of these people have been able to do what they did without the work of their predecessors and the civilization from which they came? Should we be thankful for a passion which was beyond their control and grew from their own natural curiosity? Tesla and Edison represent two fundamental ideologies and a broad range of innovative thinking. Tesla, a theorist, would have not made the progress he did, without the work of people born (as much as four hundred years) before him like Newton, Pascal, Fourier, etc. Edison's assets surrounded him every hour of every day. He was inspired by and built upon every technology to which he was exposed, representative of every inventor which came before him. I think it's also important to mention that technology evolves with the priorities of our civilization. By that, I mean you can't judge people like Jonas Salk, J. Robert Oppenheimer, the Wright Brothers or Richard Gatling until you've also judged those who used their inventions and examined the inventor's justification for it's development. If I boiled all this down to a single question, it would be: If we were able to measure the success,progress,etc. of the modern world, who would get the credit? Similar questions include: How high is up? How dark is gray? -Redler */Martin Kemple [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Question: Why didn't most Native Americans, for example, master the wheel for transportation on their own? Why didn't the Chinese, for starters, invent internal combustion much earlier than the opportunists who did? And why didn't the Arabs, for instance, harness electricity much sooner than the nitwits who stumbled onto it? In other words: Why did it all take so dang long, and then all happen seemingly at once? -Martin K.
[Biofuel] 12 Recipients Receive $9 Million for Renewable Energy Energy Efficiency Projects
*12 Recipients Receive $9** M**illion for Renewable Energy Energy Efficiency Projects* On August 8, 2006, Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns announced that 12 recipients from three different states received over $9 million in loan guarantees and grants from the US Agriculture Department’s (USDA) Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency program (Sec. 9006 of the 2002 Farm Bill (P.L. 107-171). While the total appropriation for FY06 was $23 million, the Feb. 13 solicitation provided for $11.385 million for grants and $176.5 million for guaranteed loans. Grants totaled $2,595,437 and guaranteed loans totaled $6,481,279 -- this leaves* $8,789,563* and* $170,018,721* remaining, respectively. It is expected that more awards will be announced before the end of the fiscal year (September 30, 2006). The announced loans and grants will be used to fund renewable energy and energy efficiency projects in Iowa, Kansas and Oregon. Examples of projects receiving funding awards include installation of an anaerobic digester, installation of a biomass high pressure boiler, and construction of a biodiesel facility. See full recipient list below: *FY06 Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency Recipient List* *State Recipient Loan Guarantees Grant Amounts Purpose* IA Amana Farms, Inc. $1,065,850 $500,000 Anaerobic Digester IA Amaizing Energy, LLC $250,000 $250,000 Energy efficiency improvements IA CK Processing Co., Inc $214,349 $214,349 Biomass wood burner drying system IA Green Prairie Energy, LLC $250,000 $280,000 Wind turbine IA Northeast Iowa Cooperative $104,248 $104,248 Grain dryer IA North Central Cooperative $98,175 $98,175 Grain dryer IA Synhorst Livestock and Grain, Inc. $38,827 $38,827 Grain dryer IA Tri-City Energy, LLC $2,000,000 $500,000 Biodiesel production facility KS Hayes Sight and Sound, Inc. $26,000 $26,000 Replace HVAC system and lighting KS White’s King Co. Inc. $48,830 $48,838 Replace refrigeration and lighting equipment OR Harts Nursery $35,000 $35,000 Greenhouse energy efficiency improvements OR Rough and Ready Lumber Co. $2,350,000 $500,000 Boiler/turbine system for wood drying and power generation *Remaining Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency Funding for FY06* * Loan Guarantees Grant Amounts * Total Funding $6,481,279 $2,595,437 Available Funding 176,500,000 11,385,000 *Remaining Funding ** $170,018,721 $8,789,563 ** * Under the terms of the original solicitation, after August 1, 2006 any guarantee loan funds that were not obligated are to be pooled and revert to the National Office reserve for grants. The USDA is in the process of evaluating the potential for a direct loan program; therefore, for FY06 the program is limited to grants and loan guarantees. As was posted in the solicitation, guaranteed loans will be awarded on a continuous basis. _Click here to view USDA press release_ http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdahome?contentidonly=truecontentid=2006/08/0282.xml _Click here for USDA PDF of Recipient List_ http://www.usda.gov/documents/Energy_Efficiency_Funding_Recipients.pdf _Click here for original solicitation_ http://www.eesi.org/publications/Press%20Releases/2006/usda_9006_solicitation_2.13.06.pdf _Click here for PDF of this Press Release_ http://www.eesi.org/publications/Press%20Releases/2006/8-21-06_Sec_9006_awards1.pdf *USDA** and** DOE Award $5.7 Million for** Genomics Biofuels Research* On August 9, 2006, the Department of Energy and Department of Agriculture jointly awarded nine grants totaling $5.7 million to accelerate the development of biobased fuels through research, specifically genomics that will allow biomass and plant feedstocks to be grown in large quantities to produce renewable fuels. This is the first year in which USDA’s Cooperative State Research, Education and Extension Service (CSREES) and DOE’s Office of Biological and Environmental Research (OBER) have awarded these grants. These awards are not part of the DOE and USDA joint solicitation for the Biomass Research and Development Initiative, although they are similar. DOE is funding six projects for a total $3.9 million and USDA is providing about $1.8 million for three projects. Projects will have support for up to three years. Awards have been given to: · Purdue University, Ind., $1.4 million · The Noble Foundation, Okla., $800,000 · Texas AM University, Texas, $800,000 · USDA-Agricultural Research Service, University of Wisconsin, $333,000 · Carnegie Institute of Washington, $359,100 · Brookhaven National Laboratory, NY, $300,000 · North Carolina State University , $700,000 · Kansas State University, $700,000 · University of Georgia, $445,000. _Click here to view USDA DOE press release_ http://www.energy.gov/news/3918.htm _Click here for a PDF of this release_ http://www.eesi.org/publications/Press%20Releases/2006/8-21-06_doe+usda_awards.pdf If you have questions, please email or call Jetta Wong at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or
Re: [Biofuel] Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is 'Disloyal To The United States'
I thought loyalty meant defending America from enemies without and WITHIN. Whatever shrub can screw you with I guess.Kirk"D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: D. MindockSent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:40 PMSubject: Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is 'Disloyal To The United States'Under Fire! U.S. Army Intelligence Analyst Targeted For Suggesting New Independent 9/11 InvestigationArmy: Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is 'Disloyal To The United States'Lone Star Iconoclast | August 22 2006http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=426z=54SFC DONALD BUSWELL (left) received the Purple Heart for injuries sustained on the battlefields of Iraq.FT. SAM HOUSTON, Texas - Forty-one-year-old Sergeant First Class Donald Buswell is a hero. Having served over 19 years in the United States Army, Buswell has seen a lot of terrain. On April 15, 2004, he was injured in a rocket attack while serving a tour in Iraq. For this, SFC Buswell was given a Purple Heart. And until recently, Buswell was an Intelligence Analyst stationed at Ft. Sam Houston, Texas.But if one were to ask Buswell's Commanding Officer what he thinks of the Sergeant, the response would likely sound a little bit more like, "No comment."Such were the words given to The Iconoclast by Lieutenant Colonel Jane Crichton after inquiring why SFC Buswell is the focus of an investigation initiated by Colonel Luke S. Green, Chief of Staff at Fifth Army in Ft. Sam Houston. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] crosspost from 12v power
From rel444 Wed Aug 23 00:21:20 2006To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: "rel444" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:21:20 -Subject: [12VDC_Power] Re: 15w pannels at Northern Tool $66 + free shippingAmen Jim,Let's talk about AMERICAN 12 Volt or any other Volt Right Here Now without Arab or Venezuela - Crazy Man Funding.During good times Hydro, Solar and Wind are all fine and dandy - but it has several serious drawbacks. The first of many is that everybody knows your business. I'm looking for Steam Generated Power to make a comeback at 12 Volts or any Volts. It's a long story and I will spare you because there are some expert old timers in another Yahoo group that are already in tune and feel the same way as I do. The only thing that I can figure is that either The Big Boys areTrace Mineral Deficient and crazed with greed and power or they have plenty of Gold and Homes in other Lands to go to once the sell out of America is complete.Let's get down to a Perfect example. One of the Microsoft Genius'shas started a Bio-Diesel Operation on the West Coast named Imperium Renewables. Based on Soybeans and they have tests showingyour Diesel Motor will last even longer and plenty of it is getting burned up as I write this. Sure it emits some of this or that but at least you have a new crop growing to at least help counter a good part of the effectand every dime is staying in America. Here we are paying wealthy land owners Millions or Billions - TO NOT GROW. Give me a break.They claim we are using 62 Billion Gallons of diesel per year.The new 40 Million Dollar Plant will produce 100,000,000 gallons per year. That's chump change compared to Iraq. Does that much buy an hour in Iraq?The main Man says he's not a tree hugger and pushed the State of Washington into new laws that guarantee sales for ethanol and bio-diesel. Claims he is just in it for the money - period. He's whooping petroleum diesel by close to 50 cents per gallon. It's not Future-Tech - It's happening Right Now.There are Other very clean burning smoke-less fuels that we can Grow as well that don't need a $1 processing plant to burn - just fine.Our Jobs - our Money. Since Steam Generation is On Demand - the Mood of the weathermeans little and the battery banks can be much smaller. It can also be concealed and your imagination and wallet are the only limit as to what you do with the exhaust and the heat signature.When push comes to shove you never really know. If a heavilly armedteam came to your door and said that the Hospitals, Police Stations,etc. needed your Panels and Batteries more than You Do - just what can you say. Even Google Earth can probably see You are Sitting Fat!Eminent Domain. Call it paranoia if you wish - but at least consider the point. Have a feeling they have come a long, long way with EMP warheards in the last 40 years or so. I like the dual set-up approach. It works in many aspects of life.One that is visible to "Donate" and one that is hidden for your family, time and investment. Know an old Survivalist that uses wood heat but has Plenty of Kerosene and Kero Heaters as well. He told me that if TSHTF someday he didn't want to be sending up smoke signals. If he has heat they will figure he probably was smart enough to stock food as well. A Man will do most anything if his family isstarving - he told me. The old Dude has a point!Realize this is not a Survival Club and this will be my last mentionof This aspect of 12VDC_Power. If it just helps only one young family to look at things a tad differently like the old timers that I talk to see things - it's well worth bearing one time.How many batteries would it take an Electric Locomotive to pull a fully loaded Freight train across the Country like the old Steam Engines could? Whenever the mood hits you -throw you in Another 40 acres worth of batteries. :)Ralph-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "jimhenderson1972" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: For me, it's not so much even the environment as it is national security. I cannot tell you how angry I am at our legislature and every president since Carter. We should be driving electric cars with nonvolatile lithium phosphate batteries... there is fricking no reason we don't, other than the oil lobby. I'm sick of funding terrorists and depending on stability in the Middle East for our economic viability. Our government, congress, and populace as a whole are at fault, in part for falling into the trap of buying SUVs and other guzzlers when gas was cheap. I'm a Republican, but the energy policy is my top priority and I'll vote for which candidate has the best energy policy. I don't care about abortion, religion, Mexican imigration. I am for low taxes. In fact, I wish they would abolish income tax on people making less than 100K, and double the taxes on any vehicle that gets less than 30 MPG, and impose a 100% tax on fossil fuels, and none on ethanol, PV, wind, hydro. Nothing like that to whip a society into energy independence. --- In [EMAIL
Re: [Biofuel] crosspost from 12v power
My favorite part: I am for low taxes. In fact, I wish they would abolish income tax on people making less than 100K, and double the taxes on any vehicle that gets less than 30 MPG, and impose a 100% tax on fossil fuels, and none on ethanol, PV, wind, hydro. Nothing like that to whip a society into energy independence. *and: * BTW, we're just average middle-income retirees living on SS. Hmm... Kirk McLoren wrote: From rel444 Wed Aug 23 00:21:20 2006 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: rel444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:21:20 - Subject: [12VDC_Power] Re: 15w pannels at Northern Tool $66 + free shipping Amen Jim, Let's talk about AMERICAN 12 Volt or any other Volt Right Here Now without Arab or Venezuela - Crazy Man Funding. During good times Hydro, Solar and Wind are all fine and dandy - but it has several serious drawbacks. The first of many is that everybody knows your business. I'm looking for Steam Generated Power to make a comeback at 12 Volts or any Volts. It's a long story and I will spare you because there are some expert old timers in another Yahoo group that are already in tune and feel the same way as I do. The only thing that I can figure is that either The Big Boys are Trace Mineral Deficient and crazed with greed and power or they have plenty of Gold and Homes in other Lands to go to once the sell out of America is complete. Let's get down to a Perfect example. One of the Microsoft Genius's has started a Bio-Diesel Operation on the West Coast named Imperium Renewables. Based on Soybeans and they have tests showing your Diesel Motor will last even longer and plenty of it is getting burned up as I write this. Sure it emits some of this or that but at least you have a new crop growing to at least help counter a good part of the effect and every dime is staying in America. Here we are paying wealthy land owners Millions or Billions - TO NOT GROW. Give me a break. They claim we are using 62 Billion Gallons of diesel per year. The new 40 Million Dollar Plant will produce 100,000,000 gallons per year. That's chump change compared to Iraq. Does that much buy an hour in Iraq? The main Man says he's not a tree hugger and pushed the State of Washington into new laws that guarantee sales for ethanol and bio-diesel. Claims he is just in it for the money - period. He's whooping petroleum diesel by close to 50 cents per gallon. It's not Future-Tech - It's happening Right Now. There are Other very clean burning smoke-less fuels that we can Grow as well that don't need a $1 processing plant to burn - just fine. Our Jobs - our Money. Since Steam Generation is On Demand - the Mood of the weather means little and the battery banks can be much smaller. It can also be concealed and your imagination and wallet are the only limit as to what you do with the exhaust and the heat signature. When push comes to shove you never really know. If a heavilly armed team came to your door and said that the Hospitals, Police Stations, etc. needed your Panels and Batteries more than You Do - just what can you say. Even Google Earth can probably see You are Sitting Fat! Eminent Domain. Call it paranoia if you wish - but at least consider the point. Have a feeling they have come a long, long way with EMP warheards in the last 40 years or so. I like the dual set-up approach. It works in many aspects of life. One that is visible to Donate and one that is hidden for your family, time and investment. Know an old Survivalist that uses wood heat but has Plenty of Kerosene and Kero Heaters as well. He told me that if TSHTF someday he didn't want to be sending up smoke signals. If he has heat they will figure he probably was smart enough to stock food as well. A Man will do most anything if his family is starving - he told me. The old Dude has a point! Realize this is not a Survival Club and this will be my last mention of This aspect of 12VDC_Power. If it just helps only one young family to look at things a tad differently like the old timers that I talk to see things - it's well worth bearing one time. How many batteries would it take an Electric Locomotive to pull a fully loaded Freight train across the Country like the old Steam Engines could? Whenever the mood hits you - throw you in Another 40 acres worth of batteries. :) Ralph -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], jimhenderson1972 wrote: For me, it's not so much even the environment as it is national security. I cannot tell you how angry I am at our legislature and every president since Carter. We should be driving electric cars
Re: [Biofuel] Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is 'Disloyal To The United States'
On 8/23/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever shrub can screw you with I guess.KirkOuch, that brings some bad mental imagery to mind. Especially if you think of a thorn bush ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Waterfootprint - UNESCO iniciative
Fwd from J.P.Soares frantz http://www.waterfootprint.org/ In this important site,you can download a great report!! Some facts and figures * The production of one kilogram of beef requires 16 thousand litres of water. * To produce one cup of coffee we need 140 litres of water. * The water footprint of China is about 700 cubic meter per year per capita. Only about 7% of the Chinese water footprint falls outside China. * Japan with a footprint of 1150 cubic meter per year per capita, has about 65% of its total water footprint outside the borders of the country. * The USA water footprint is 2500 cubic meter per year per capita. Please forward this message. João Paulo Soares http://bioterra.blogspot.com Porto - Portugal A água pura bebe-se pelo coração PAZ -PEACE - PACO- PACE- PAIX- SHALOM- SALAAM- SHANTY- - #54217;#54868; - #1052;#1080;#1088; - #24179;#21644; - #917;#953;#961;#942;#957;#951; - #21644;#24179; -SELAM VREDE- PAKE - HETEP- RAHU - ASHTE - IRINI - HEIWA - SULH - MIR PHYONGH'WA - EMIREMBE - PACI - FRED - SULA - POKOJ - PASCH - MIERS- UKUTHULA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google search FAILURE
Marylynn Schmidt a écrit : Subject: Google knows everything 1- Go to www.Google.com 2- Type in Failure 3- Look at the first listing and laugh at what comes up first 4- Tell others before the people at Google Fix it! why and how , see : http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_314155357.html http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/googlebombing-failure.html http://www.micropersuasion.com/2005/11/bush_gets_googl.html frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What the bleep -was galloway
"Yes, a Calivinist nation - all claiming exceptionalism - but this is a collective thing, not really individual."That reminds me of Max Weber's The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. I started on itbut was distracted. From what I read, It seems worth mentioning in this thread.- Redler Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A warm bath hath charms to soothe the savage list member ;-)For you, Don Kemple, remember: Incomprehesibility is a gift, son, use it wisely."A Nation of Shopkeepers, all selling local-produced goods?" Forgive me, my Schumacher is pretty rusty.Yes, a Calivinist nation - all claiming exceptionalism - but this is a collective thing, not really individual.But I think that we are now at a stage where, under the leadership of GW, we're mouthing "all nations are equal," but, we're just equalerer than the other equal ones.4 legs good, 2 legs bad.4 legs good, 2 legs bad.4 legs good, 2 legs bad.Mike Redler wrote: Kind sir, Thank your for your gratitude. However, I find myself entirely outdone by your short but profound response. I shall now follow the advice of my esteemed virtual colleague, Mr. Weaver and retire to the loo for a bath. Ta ta, - Redler Martin Kemple wrote: Thanks Mike! Intriguing perspective. Though I'm preternaturally suspicious of our (Westerners') proclivity for exceptionalism (from the creed of Manifest Destiny on the one extreme, to its opposite - that we're inveterate "predator-imperialists," on the other), it's a hard box to escape from. Adam Smith / E.F. Schumacher - two sides of the came coin? Know what I mean? That is: Not only are we moderns "different", we're more different than anybody else has ever been. What's up with that? I recoil at the idea, yet can't get away from it. Like a dark magnet : o -MK On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Michael Redler wrote: Martin, Necessity can be broadly defined by what is popularly needed in a civilization. Since "Necessity is the Mother of invention", it stands to reason that the path to any invention is paved by the civilization from which it came. The civilizations you mentioned were content with technical developments that required only what was immediately available to them from their environment. In my opinion that's something which our ambitious culture hasn't yet been able to appreciate. As E. F. Schuhmacher explained so effectively in his writing, the so called "modern world" and it's technology has often taken us in directions which does more harm than good. It's presumptuous to quantify the progress of civilization by a hand full of great inventors and assume that they have made the world a better place. I say this as someone who has two engineering degrees, a patent of my own and a wife who is a research scientist and a PhD. in Chemistry. I admire all the people mentioned in this thread plus many who have yet to be mentioned. However, to put things in perspective, one needs to ask if the work of particular inventors are a measure of progress in a civilization (irrespective of politics): Could any of these people have been able to do what they did without the work of their predecessors and the civilization from which they came? Should we be thankful for a passion which was beyond their control and grew from their own natural curiosity? Tesla and Edison represent two fundamental ideologies and a broad range of innovative thinking. Tesla, a theorist, would have not made the progress he did, without the work of people born (as much as four hundred years) before him like Newton, Pascal, Fourier, etc. Edison's assets surrounded him every hour of every day. He was inspired by and built upon every technology to which he was exposed, representative of every inventor which came before him. I think it's also important to mention that technology evolves with the priorities of our civilization. By that, I mean you can't judge people like Jonas Salk, J. Robert Oppenheimer, the Wright Brothers or Richard Gatling until you've also judged those who used their inventions and examined the inventor's justification for it's development. If I boiled all this down to a single question, it would be: If we were able to measure the "success","progress",etc. of "the modern world", who would get the credit? Similar questions include: How high is up? How dark is gray? -Redler */Martin Kemple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Question: Why didn't most Native Americans, for example, master the wheel for transportation on their own? Why didn't the Chinese, for starters, invent internal combustion much earlier than the opportunists who did? And why didn't the Arabs, for instance, harness electricity much sooner than the nitwits who stumbled onto it? In other words: Why did it all take so dang long, and then all happen seemingly at once? -Martin K.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] moneyandmarkets.com
Russia: The Big, Bad Bear Returns President Vladimir Putin seems determined to restore his country to the superpower status it held when he was a KGB officer. He hopes to accomplish this by turning Russia into an energy heavyweight, enriching the country's new elite in the process. Some of the moves Putin has been making:During the depths of last year's harsh winter, the Kremlin forced the Ukraine to settle a dispute by turning off natural gas supplies to the country. Russia has also been putting the squeeze on Lithuania, claiming that pipelines to the country are worn out. Russia's apparent aim: Either to force Lithuania into bankruptcy or to make the country's big energy and pipeline company, Mazeikiai, seek a merger. The Mazeikiai refinery is the only refinery and largest economic entity in the three Baltic states. It also happens to be Lithuania's top taxpayer. Putin awarded a contract to a Japanese company to build a 2,361-mile pipeline from Angarsk on the southern edge of Lake Baikal to Nakhodka, a port from which petroleum could easily be shipped to the Japanese coast, threatening competing contracts with Europe. Likewise, the Russians have agreed to make huge natural gas shipments to China, and they may allow the Chinese to connect to the Japanese pipeline.All these actions frighten European nations that count on Russian gas. Heck, Hungary gets 85% of its natural gas from Russia, while Germany, the largest economy in the European Union, gets 40%. Meanwhile, another major player is turning up the heat ... Iran: A Peacock Picking Fights Besides Russia, Iran has the largest natural gas reserves in the world. Tehran is also the fourth-largest crude oil exporter, but the country's fields are aging. That's why Iran is looking to China and India for investment money. But Iran's not stopping there. It's busy stirring the pot elsewhere, too: Iraq's Shiite majority government is falling more and more into Iran's sphere of influence. In the latest deal, Iran agreed to supply Iraq with refined petroleum products in return for crude oil. And under the surface, Iran is busy funneling arms to insurgents and fueling anger against the U.S. Tehran is also a major supporter of Hezbollah, winning the hearts and minds of the growing number of Hezbollah supporters throughout the Muslim world. Iran has also become the unlikely ally of Venezuela. The two countries are bonding through their mutual hatred of the U.S., and Iranian money and expertise is helping develop Venezuela's heavy oil projects. Yesterday, as we've been warning you, Iran said "NO" to the UN's demand to cease nuclear research, and now the ball is back in the UN's court to decide on sanctions. Don't think for a minute that China is going to be happy about that. They have too much riding on Iran's economic development ... China: The Rip-Roaring Tiger China is one of Iran's biggest oil customers it inked a deal to buy $20 billion worth of Iranian natural gas over 25 years, and China's state-owned oil company Sinopec has a 50% stake in the development of Yadavaran, Iran's largest undeveloped oil field. But that still doesn't satisfy their voracious appetite. China currently uses about 7 million barrels of oil per day, half of which it imports. Unfortunately, China's oil demand is expected to more than double by 2020. China's government is determined to control its own destiny. With $1 trillion in currency reserves, it has plenty of buying power ...Since the beginning of the year, China has signed deals worth more than $7 billion for stakes in oil and gas fields in Kazakhstan, Nigeria, and Syria. And a state-controlled company is reportedly considering a $2 billion bid for yet another Kazakh property. China has signed an oil exploration deal with Cuba. Now, China's state-owned oil company, Sinopec, has moved huge deep-sea drilling platforms to the Gulf of Mexico, less than 50 miles from the Florida Keys an area where U.S. oil companies can't drill thanks to America's Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) moratorium. The U.S. Senate passed a bill that would open 8.3 million acres for new energy development in the Gulf of Mexico, but it still has to get through the House of Representatives. So don't hold your breath. China has spent more than a billion dollars developing oil assets in Sudan, a country that is off-limits to U.S. companies because Sudan's government practices genocide against its own people. Chinese money is flowing into Canada, too. For example, a Chinese oil company bought Canada's PetroKazakhstan for $4 billion last year. By the way, China isn't just spending on oil it's also spending enormous amounts on other vital materials, particularly metals. The country is buying up mines by the score. This is why 40% of China's direct investment now goes into South America. And thanks to recent treaties, Chinese money should soon start pouring into the Australian resource sector. Of
Re: [Biofuel] Google search FAILURE
This is no accident. The same kind of thing has been true of their mapping application for a while now. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=lhl=enq=miserable+failure,+washington+dcie=UTF8lr=lang_ennear=sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=92.518848,103.886719om=1ll=38.902923,-77.039952spn=0.023612,0.025363 or for the big url disinclined: *http://tinyurl.com/nexjr The search is for Miserable Failure, Washington DC. Andy *Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Subject: Google knows everything 1- Go to www.Google.com 2- Type in Failure 3- Look at the first listing and laugh at what comes up first 4- Tell others before the people at Google Fix it! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated
U.S. rice dives as GMO issue stirs export fears By Christine Stebbins REUTERS, Aug 22 2006 http://snipurl.com/vc32 Greenpeace demands global ban on imports of US rice Dominican Today, August 21 2006 http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=16617 Keith Really?!!! Wow...this List is amazing...thanks Kirk. I just have my very small corner (literally) of the world here in Lawrence, KS. Really thankful for some kind of link to the outside. Catch this: the day I received the post from Keith about the rice, I was picking up trash in one of three parking lots I take care of. Guess what I found...three smashed boxes of Hamburger Helper containing rice spilling all over. I just had to stand there for a moment and wonder. It was one of those moments mentioned in the video What the Bleep Do We Know? I don't care what anyone thinks about any of the folks in that video and their motivations; I've had way too many things occur in my life that confirm what is being said in that video...way too many. Again, thanks for your input. Mike - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kirk McLoren To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated You know WHO he was blowing up - right? Genetic engineers. Press didnt say much about it. MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk...I'm a fathead. Not sure what you're saying. Mike - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kirk McLoren To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated That unabomber guy we should put his picture on the 5 dollar bill. Kirk MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the heads up Keith...wonder if it's too late to get to the commodity broker and trade rice short I'm being half facetious/half curious...anyone on the list who understands trading commodities have an idea on this? Or have you already made your millions??? Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated http://snipurl.com/v7vl Japan Ends U.S. Long-Grain Rice Imports By Associated Press 7:17 PM PDT, August 19, 2006 http://snipurl.com/v7vm U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated Genetically Altered Variety Is Found in Long-Grain Rice By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, August 19, 2006; Page A07 Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns announced late yesterday that U.S. commercial supplies of long-grain rice had become inadvertently contaminated with a genetically engineered variety not approved for human consumption. Johanns said the company that made the experimental rice, Bayer CropScience of Monheim, Germany, had provided information to the Agriculture Department and the Food and Drug Administration indicating that the rice poses no threats to human health or the environment. Based upon the information we have seen, this product is safe, he said in a telephone news conference. Johanns said he did not know where the contaminated rice was found or how widespread it may be in the U.S. food supply. The agency first learned about it from the company, he said, after it discovered trace amounts during testing of commercial supplies. The variety, known as LLRICE 601, is endowed with bacterial DNA that makes rice plants resistant to a weedkiller made by the agricultural giant Aventis. Johanns said Bayer had not finished the process of getting LLRICE 601 approved for marketing before dropping the project years ago. But the company did complete the process for two other varieties of rice with the same gene. And although neither of those were marketed, he said, their approval offers reassurance that 601 is probably safe, too. Bayer said in a statement it is cooperating closely with the government on the discovery. It added that the protein conferring herbicide tolerance is well known to regulators and has been confirmed safe for food and feed use in a number of crops by regulators in many countries, including the EU, Japan, Mexico, U.S. and Canada. Johanns acknowledged that the discovery could have a significant impact on rice sales -- especially exports, which are worth close to $1 billion a year. Many U.S. trading partners have strict policies forbidding importation of certain genetically engineered foods, even if they are approved in the United States. Those restrictions reflect a mix of science-based fears that some gene-altered foods or seeds may pose health or environmental hazards; cultural beliefs about food purity; and political wrangling over trade disparities. If other countries cut off imports, the
Re: [Biofuel] Google search FAILURE
I don't think that there is anything wrong with Google. jeff - Original Message - From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Google search FAILURE Subject: Google knows everything 1- Go to www.Google.com 2- Type in Failure 3- Look at the first listing and laugh at what comes up first 4- Tell others before the people at Google Fix it! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 8/22/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fast food ice dirtier than toilet water
Fast Food Ice Dirtier Than Toilet Water!Out of the mouths of babes comes this news. Budding scientist, 12-year-old Jasmine Roberts from Benito Middle School in Tampa, Fla., has created a science fair project that has lots of grown-ups sitting up and taking notice. Her conclusion: Ice at fast food restaurants is laced with bacteria. Lots of it.Tampa Bay Online reports that Roberts examined the amount of bacteria in the ice served at fast food restaurants and the amount of bacteria in the toilet bowl water in those same restaurants. The toilet bowl water was cleaner 70 percent of the time. Even Roberts found the results to be startling. She told Tampa Bay Online reporter Michele Sager, "I thought there might be a little bacteria in the ice, but I never expected it to be this much. And I never thought the toilet water would be cleaner."The study: Roberts collected ice samples from five fast food restaurants near the University of South Florida, including self-service dispensers inside the restaurants and in drinks served through the drive-through windows. Then she collected samples of water from the toilets in those same restaurants. All the samples were placed in sterile containers. She tested them in a lab at the H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center, where she volunteers with a University of South Florida professor.The results: In four of the five restaurants, the ice that came from the self-service machines had more bacteria than the toilet water, reports Tampa Bay Online. Three of the five cups of ice from the drive-through windows had more bacteria than the toilet water. The bacteria in the ice included fecal coliform or E. coli, which can only come from the feces of warm-blooded animals.How did the bacteria get into the ice? Roberts suspects either the machine was not properly cleaned or an employee with soiled hands touched the ice.Geoff Luebkemann, the Florida state official whose agency is responsible for regulating hotels and restaurants, told Tampa Bay Online, "Ice machines are part of the health inspections. There are a lot of factors that have to be considered, like how accurately did she gather and test her specimens. Plus, comparing the ice to toilet water can be misleading because there are acceptable levels of bacteria for water." Not so says Galina Tuninskaya, vice president of Applied Consumer Services, a private lab that tests drinking water. "No levels of fecal coliform or E. coli are acceptable," she told Tampa Bay Online. "If you find that, you've got a problem." In case you wondered, Roberts won the science fair http://www.talk-history.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1990 All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google search FAILURE
This has been like this for a while. I remember this a year or so ago (could have been longer). The more people do it, the stronger that page is against the word failure. What they need to do get the words evil linked to shrub. On Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:11 AM, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:11:08 + From: Marylynn Schmidt To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Google search FAILURE Subject: Google knows everything 1- Go to www.Google.com 2- Type in Failure 3- Look at the first listing and laugh at what comes up first 4- Tell others before the people at Google Fix it! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Jesus died in Iraq
http://www.archive.org/details.php?identifier=alt_focus_jesus_died_in_iraqfrom=thisJustIn Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google search FAILURE
i dont think the people at google are going to fix it. it has been around for at least a year that i know of. most likely more. the first time i heard about it, i was told to hit I'm Feeling Lucky. try WMD and hit I'm Feeling Lucky. you used to get an error : 404 message that had been completely re- written to be insulting and sarcastic. i enjoyed it immensely On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 05:11 +, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Subject: Google knows everything 1- Go to www.Google.com 2- Type in Failure 3- Look at the first listing and laugh at what comes up first 4- Tell others before the people at Google Fix it! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 12 Recipients Receive $9 Million for Renewable Energy Energy Efficiency Projects
i know the chairman of that coop... it is mostly in omaha, but he has managed to push for (last count X-mas '04) 13 new ethanol plants, and was going for more. On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 09:25 -0400, Mike Weaver wrote: IA Amaizing Energy, LLC $250,000 $250,000 Energy efficiency improvements ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is 'Disloyal To The United States'
Whoa!"Thorn Bush" - That's bad, like a boy named Sue.Maybe it can be put to music.Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/23/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Whatever shrub can screw you with I guess.Kirk Ouch, that brings some bad mental imagery to mind. Especially if you think of a thorn bush___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: 15,000 acres arundo donax to be planted in Florida
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:52:20 EDT From: December McSherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 15,000 acres arundo donax to be planted in Florida To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do you think of Progress Energy's contract with Biomass Investment Group to grow arundo donax (e-grass) on 15,000 acres in central Florida for a power plant? ---upstream of the Everglades http://www.progress-energy.com/aboutus/news/article.asp?id=14062Pro gress Energy Florida signs deal to purchase power from proposed biomass plant http://www.egrass.com/products/products_introduction.htmBiomass Investment Group - Products December McSherry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fast food ice dirtier than toilet water
Or dogs are smarter than people Kirk McLoren wrote: Fast Food Ice Dirtier Than Toilet Water! Out of the mouths of babes comes this news. Budding scientist, 12-year-old Jasmine Roberts from Benito Middle School in Tampa, Fla., has created a science fair project that has lots of grown-ups sitting up and taking notice. Her conclusion: Ice at fast food restaurants is laced with bacteria. Lots of it. Tampa Bay Online reports that Roberts examined the amount of bacteria in the ice served at fast food restaurants and the amount of bacteria in the toilet bowl water in those same restaurants. The toilet bowl water was cleaner 70 percent of the time. Even Roberts found the results to be startling. She told Tampa Bay Online reporter Michele Sager, I thought there might be a little bacteria in the ice, but I never expected it to be this much. And I never thought the toilet water would be cleaner. The study: Roberts collected ice samples from five fast food restaurants near the University of South Florida, including self-service dispensers inside the restaurants and in drinks served through the drive-through windows. Then she collected samples of water from the toilets in those same restaurants. All the samples were placed in sterile containers. She tested them in a lab at the H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center, where she volunteers with a University of South Florida professor. The results: In four of the five restaurants, the ice that came from the self-service machines had more bacteria than the toilet water, reports Tampa Bay Online. Three of the five cups of ice from the drive-through windows had more bacteria than the toilet water. The bacteria in the ice included fecal coliform or E. coli, which can only come from the feces of warm-blooded animals. How did the bacteria get into the ice? Roberts suspects either the machine was not properly cleaned or an employee with soiled hands touched the ice. Geoff Luebkemann, the Florida state official whose agency is responsible for regulating hotels and restaurants, told Tampa Bay Online, Ice machines are part of the health inspections. There are a lot of factors that have to be considered, like how accurately did she gather and test her specimens. Plus, comparing the ice to toilet water can be misleading because there are acceptable levels of bacteria for water. Not so says Galina Tuninskaya, vice president of Applied Consumer Services, a private lab that tests drinking water. No levels of fecal coliform or E. coli are acceptable, she told Tampa Bay Online. If you find that, you've got a problem. In case you wondered, Roberts won the science fair http://www.talk-history.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1990 All-new Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43257/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta- Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol use
Hi Charles There is a patented information about using the zeolites at the top of the reactor , which can be very selective to adsorb and return back pure alcohol see google search using free patent site. Then you can recover the catalyst using solar energy to remove water.In the case of ethanol , the higher temperature , I am not sure that higher can fovour the reaction.Can any one have the experience to give more informatiion? With kind regars to all biofuel members yours truelyPannirselvam P.V2006/8/21, Charles List [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Hi allIt's slowly turning to spring down here in the southern hemisphere, and a young man's thoughts turn to what he's going to get up to inthose long summer evenings. Me, I think only of biofuel! I am havinggood progress and results with methanol but my long term plan is tobe completely self- sufficient and ferment my own ethanol to use in my reaction. I will first buy some denatured ethanol to practice on,and I have read what is on the JtF web-site and realise I will needto really dewater my oil, use more ethanol than methanol etc. I wouldlike to know, however, if I can increase the temperature of the reaction mixture to cut down the time taken for the reaction asethanol boils at 78C rather than 65C, and if there are any otherhints/ tips people can give through their experience of this reaction.Thanks Charles List This email was sent using Telecom SchoolZone.www.schoolzone.net.nz This email has been scanned for viruses by Telecom SchoolZone,but is not guaranteed to be virus-free.--___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos e Processos DEQ – Departamento de Engenharia QuímicaCT – Centro de Tecnologia / UFRN, Lagoa Nova – Natal/RNCampus Universitário. CEP: 59.072-970http://pannirbr.googlepages.com/gpecufrnhomepage 3215-3769 ramal 210casa 3215-1557 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated
Hi Keith...thanks for this info. Would like to have known how to trade rice as a commodity and have the information at the same moment as the rest of the market...or better yet...just before. Of course, someone DID have that info and must be one FAT CAT right now. I wonder if they had rice for dinner that night? Mike - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated U.S. rice dives as GMO issue stirs export fears By Christine Stebbins REUTERS, Aug 22 2006 http://snipurl.com/vc32 Greenpeace demands global ban on imports of US rice Dominican Today, August 21 2006 http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=16617 Keith Really?!!! Wow...this List is amazing...thanks Kirk. I just have my very small corner (literally) of the world here in Lawrence, KS. Really thankful for some kind of link to the outside. Catch this: the day I received the post from Keith about the rice, I was picking up trash in one of three parking lots I take care of. Guess what I found...three smashed boxes of Hamburger Helper containing rice spilling all over. I just had to stand there for a moment and wonder. It was one of those moments mentioned in the video What the Bleep Do We Know? I don't care what anyone thinks about any of the folks in that video and their motivations; I've had way too many things occur in my life that confirm what is being said in that video...way too many. Again, thanks for your input. Mike - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kirk McLoren To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated You know WHO he was blowing up - right? Genetic engineers. Press didnt say much about it. MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk...I'm a fathead. Not sure what you're saying. Mike - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kirk McLoren To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated That unabomber guy we should put his picture on the 5 dollar bill. Kirk MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the heads up Keith...wonder if it's too late to get to the commodity broker and trade rice short I'm being half facetious/half curious...anyone on the list who understands trading commodities have an idea on this? Or have you already made your millions??? Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: [Biofuel] U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated http://snipurl.com/v7vl Japan Ends U.S. Long-Grain Rice Imports By Associated Press 7:17 PM PDT, August 19, 2006 http://snipurl.com/v7vm U.S. Rice Supply Contaminated Genetically Altered Variety Is Found in Long-Grain Rice By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, August 19, 2006; Page A07 Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns announced late yesterday that U.S. commercial supplies of long-grain rice had become inadvertently contaminated with a genetically engineered variety not approved for human consumption. Johanns said the company that made the experimental rice, Bayer CropScience of Monheim, Germany, had provided information to the Agriculture Department and the Food and Drug Administration indicating that the rice poses no threats to human health or the environment. Based upon the information we have seen, this product is safe, he said in a telephone news conference. Johanns said he did not know where the contaminated rice was found or how widespread it may be in the U.S. food supply. The agency first learned about it from the company, he said, after it discovered trace amounts during testing of commercial supplies. The variety, known as LLRICE 601, is endowed with bacterial DNA that makes rice plants resistant to a weedkiller made by the agricultural giant Aventis. Johanns said Bayer had not finished the process of getting LLRICE 601 approved for marketing before dropping the project years ago. But the company did complete the process for two other varieties of rice with the same gene. And although neither of those were marketed, he said, their approval offers reassurance that 601 is probably safe, too. Bayer said in a statement it is cooperating closely with the government on the discovery. It added that the protein conferring herbicide tolerance is well known to regulators and has been confirmed safe for food and feed use in a number of crops by regulators in many countries, including the EU, Japan, Mexico, U.S. and Canada. Johanns acknowledged that the discovery could have a significant impact on
