date:20060930






This will be important history someday. 
Everyone should read it. Pat

Go to Original
Bush Owes Us an 
Apology
By Keith 
OlbermannMSNBC Countdown

Monday 18 September 
2006

The President of the United 
States owes this country an apology.
It will not be offered, of 
course.
He does not realize its 
necessity.
There are now none around him 
who would tell him or could.
The last of them, it appears, 
was the very man whose letter provoked the President into the conduct, for which 
the apology is essential.
An apology is this President's 
only hope of regaining the slightest measure of confidence, of what has been, 
for nearly two years, a clear majority of his people.
Not "confidence" in his policies 
nor in his designs nor even in something as narrowly focused as which vision of 
torture shall prevail - his, or that of the man who has sent him into apoplexy, 
Colin Powell.
In a larger sense, the President 
needs to regain our confidence, that he has some basic understanding of what 
this country represents - of what it must maintain if we are to defeat not only 
terrorists, but if we are also to defeat what is ever more increasingly 
apparent, as an attempt to re-define the way we live here, and what we mean, 
when we say the word "freedom."
Because it is evident now that, 
if not its architect, this President 
intends to be the contractor, for this narrowing of the definition of 
freedom.
The President revealed this last 
Friday, as he fairly spat through his teeth, words of unrestrained fury directed 
at the man who was once the very symbol of his administration, who was once an 
ambassador from this administration to its critics, as he had once been an 
ambassador from the military to its critics.
The former Secretary of State, Mr. 
Powell, had written, simply and candidly and without anger, that "the world is 
beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against 
terrorism."
This President's response 
included not merely what is apparently the Presidential equivalent of 
threatening to hold one's breath, but within it contained one particularly 
chilling phrase.
"Mr. President, former Secretary of State 
Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight 
against terrorism," he was asked by a reporter. "If a former chairman of the 
Joint Chiefs of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don't you 
think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether 
you're following a flawed strategy?"
"If there's any comparison 
between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist 
tactics of extremists, it's flawed logic," Bush said. "It's just - I simply 
can't accept that. It's unacceptable to 
think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United 
States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women 
and children to achieve an objective.
Of course it's acceptable to 
think that there's "any kind of comparison."
And in this particular debate, 
it is not only acceptable, it is obviously necessary, even if Mr. Powell never 
made the comparison in his letter.
Some will think that our actions at Abu 
Ghraib, or in Guantanamo, or in secret prisons in Eastern Europe, are all too 
comparable to the actions of the extremists.
Some will think that there is no 
similarity, or, if there is one, it is to the slightest and most unavoidable of 
degrees.
What all of us will agree on, is that we 
have the right - we have the duty - to think about the comparison.
And, most importantly, that the other guy, 
whose opinion about this we cannot fathom, has exactly the same right as we do: 
to think - and say - what his mind and his heart and his conscience tell him, is 
right.
All of us agree about that.
Except, it seems, this 
President.
With increasing rage, he and his 
administration have begun to tell us, we are not permitted to disagree with 
them, that we cannot be right, that Colin Powell cannot be right.
And then there was that one, 
most awful phrase.
In four simple words last 
Friday, the President brought into sharp focus what has been only vaguely clear 
these past five-and-a-half years - the way the terrain at night is perceptible 
only during an angry flash of lightning, and then, a second later, all again is 
dark.
"It's unacceptable to think," he 
said.
It is never unacceptable to 
think.
And when a President says thinking 
is unacceptable, even on one topic, even in the heat of the moment, even in the 
turning of a phrase extracted from its context, he takes us toward a new and 
fearful path - one heretofore the realm of science fiction authors and 
apocalyptic visionaries.
That flash of lightning freezes at the 
distant horizon, and we can just make out a world in which authority can 
actually suggest it has become unacceptable to think.
Thus the lightning flash reveals not merely 
a President we have already seen, the one who believes he has a monopoly on 
current truth.

[Biofuel] Thermate used on the WTC buildings





If there's conclusive 
evidence that thermite or thermate(souped up form of thermiteis 
called thermate) was used in thecollapse of the three WTC buildings then the 
conspiracy theory is no longer a theory. It becomes an unsettling fact that 
it was indeedan "inside job." 
Peace, D. 
Mindock==

1 of 2Thermite Identified As Culprit Of 
WTC CollapseEvidence mounting that cause first 
identified on Alex Jones Show led to towers' implosionA new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause 
of the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence makes a 
very strong case for thermite being responsible for the unprecedented implosions 
of steel framed reinforced buildings on September 11.http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm
2 of 2Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones, a 
BYU physics professor, who has scientifically proven that a special mix of 
thermite and sulfur and ...all» some other chemicals, known as thermate, was used to cut the WTC 
steel backbones. Thermate is widely used by the military and demolition 
companies as the cutting charges. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-284238498383411
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Bush Owes Us an Apology

2006-09-30 Thread Jim Al Tefft

Yes!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  D. 
  Mindock 
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
  Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:30 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: Bush Owes Us an 
  Apology

  This will be important history someday. 
  Everyone should read it. Pat

  Go to Original
  Bush Owes Us an 
  Apology
  By Keith 
  OlbermannMSNBC Countdown

  Monday 18 September 
  2006

  The President of the United 
  States owes this country an apology.
  It will not be offered, of 
  course.
  He does not realize its 
  necessity.
  There are now none around him 
  who would tell him or could.
  The last of them, it appears, 
  was the very man whose letter provoked the President into the conduct, for 
  which the apology is essential.
  An apology is this President's 
  only hope of regaining the slightest measure of confidence, of what has been, 
  for nearly two years, a clear majority of his people.
  Not "confidence" in his 
  policies nor in his designs nor even in something as narrowly focused as which 
  vision of torture shall prevail - his, or that of the man who has sent him 
  into apoplexy, Colin Powell.
  In a larger sense, the 
  President needs to regain our confidence, that he has some basic understanding 
  of what this country represents - of what it must maintain if we are to defeat 
  not only terrorists, but if we are also to defeat what is ever more 
  increasingly apparent, as an attempt to re-define the way we live here, and 
  what we mean, when we say the word "freedom."
  Because it is evident now 
  that, if not its architect, this President intends to be the contractor, for 
  this narrowing of the definition of freedom.
  The President revealed this 
  last Friday, as he fairly spat through his teeth, words of unrestrained fury 
  directed at the man who was once the very symbol of his administration, who 
  was once an ambassador from this administration to its critics, as he had once 
  been an ambassador from the military to its critics.
  The former Secretary of State, 
  Mr. Powell, had written, simply and candidly and without anger, that "the 
  world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against 
  terrorism."
  This President's response 
  included not merely what is apparently the Presidential equivalent of 
  threatening to hold one's breath, but within it contained one particularly 
  chilling phrase.
  "Mr. President, former Secretary of State 
  Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight 
  against terrorism," he was asked by a reporter. "If a former chairman of the 
  Joint Chiefs of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don't you 
  think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether 
  you're following a flawed strategy?"
  "If there's any comparison 
  between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist 
  tactics of extremists, it's flawed logic," Bush said. "It's just - I simply 
  can't accept that. It's unacceptable 
  to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the 
  United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill 
  innocent women and children to achieve an objective.
  Of course it's acceptable to 
  think that there's "any kind of comparison."
  And in this particular debate, 
  it is not only acceptable, it is obviously necessary, even if Mr. Powell never 
  made the comparison in his letter.
  Some will think that our actions at 
  Abu Ghraib, or in Guantanamo, or in secret prisons in Eastern Europe, are all 
  too comparable to the actions of the extremists.
  Some will think that there is no 
  similarity, or, if there is one, it is to the slightest and most unavoidable 
  of degrees.
  What all of us will agree on, is that we 
  have the right - we have the duty - to think about the 
comparison.
  And, most importantly, that the other guy, 
  whose opinion about this we cannot fathom, has exactly the same right as we 
  do: to think - and say - what his mind and his heart and his conscience tell 
  him, is right.
  All of us agree about that.
  Except, it seems, this 
  President.
  With increasing rage, he and 
  his administration have begun to tell us, we are not permitted to disagree 
  with them, that we cannot be right, that Colin Powell cannot be 
  right.
  And then there was that one, 
  most awful phrase.
  In four simple words last 
  Friday, the President brought into sharp focus what has been only vaguely 
  clear these past five-and-a-half years - the way the terrain at night is 
  perceptible only during an angry flash of lightning, and then, a second later, 
  all again is dark.
  "It's unacceptable to think," he 
  said.
  It is never unacceptable to 
  think.
  And when a President says 
  thinking is unacceptable, even on one topic, even in the heat of the moment, 
  even in the turning of a phrase extracted from its context, he takes us toward 
  a

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Bush Owes Us an Apology

2006-09-30 Thread robert and benita rabello





D. Mindock wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  This
will be important history someday. Everyone should read it. Pat
  
  
  




	Yesterday, the US Senate approved "detainee" legislation that essentially hands dictatorial power over to the president.  Once this bill is reconciled with the House version and is signed by Mr. Bush, he will have the right to "detain" anyone he deems a threat--irrespective of their citizenship--without trial, without evidence, for as long as it pleases him.  I thought, for a gleaming moment, that Senator McCain would show some spine and garner support to defeat this ill-conceived legislation, but he and other senators who should know better simply caved in.

	Welcome to the fascist Republic of the United States . . .

	Mr. Bush doesn't need to apologize if he's king.

robert luis rabello
"The Edge of Justice"
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/


___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

[Biofuel] IRS, Highway Taxes and exemptions

2006-09-30 Thread WM LUKE MATHISEN

I called the IRS a few weeks ago about the 600 gal personal use exemption on
biodiesel I had been hearing about. The guy, an IRS specialist on excise
taxes, had never heard of it and said he would get back to me. After about
two weeks, he called me back, and told me my question had made it all the
way to DC in a conference. And this is what he said.

If you run SVO no exemption!

If you blend, with - any amount - of petro diesel, there is a 400 gal per
year exemption for personal highway use. If you go over that amount you are
required to fill out an application as a blender and pay the .28 per gal
excise tax quarterly. We had a very long and pleasant conversation about
biodiesel, and near the end, he indicated that collecting excise tax on
biodieselers was likely very low on non existent on the enforcement priority
list.

One other thing he brought up was, that auto conversion kits to run SVO
currently violate EPA regulations, hefty fines could result from their use.

I made a similar call to Montana Dept of Revenue (I live in Montana) and
talked to the woman in charge of fuel excise taxes. She said that she had
just finished making forms to pay the .24 per gal tax... After filling me
in on the details, the upshot is, about .10 per gal for highway use, after
credits. I asked her how may people in Montana are filing the forms and
paying the tax. She said I was the third! The first two she found on a
blog on-line.

:-)
Luke

_
Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes!
http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme002001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=hmtagline

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

[Biofuel] Odigo says workers were warned of attack [9/11]




Odigo, 
an Israeli company,has an office not far from the location of WTC. Peace, 
D. 
Mindock=

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744contrassID=/has%5C



  
  
Odigo says workers were warned of 
  attack
  

  
By Yuval Dror
  

  

  Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that 
  two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers 
  attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company 
  has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including 
  the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting 
  the attack.Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers 
  received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the 
  company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security 
  services, which brought in the FBI."I have no idea why the message 
  was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have 
  been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. 
  And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the 
  FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose 
  headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.As an 
  instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages 
  only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other 
  well-known Israeli instant messaging application. Odigo usually 
  zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but 
  in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law 
  enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the 
  message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and 
  the actual sender of the original message. 
 
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] new alcohol ideas

Howdy Jason, there would be no advantage.  In the ethanol/water/castor oil 
scheme, one mixes E/W/C. 
only ethanol dissolves in the castor oil.  then heating the C/E mix to about 80 
degrees C separates 
the ethanol from the castor oil.

what this does is get around the problem of the azeotrope of ethanol/water 
which is the lowest 
boiling component of a mix of water/ethanol.  You can't separate the last 5% of 
water from ethanol 
via distillation.

for glycerin this isn't an issue, just heat the stuff to close to 300 degrees 
C. anything that boils 
off at a lower temp is impurity, after is glycerin. (short form of discussion)


Jason Katie wrote:
 i just had a bizarre idea. someone please argue with me on this, but if 
 glycerine is categorized as an alcohol, would it work to use castor oil to 
 purify it, the same as ethanol? ideas?comments?
 Jason
 ICQ#:  154998177
 MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
 


-- 
Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
=
The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral 
philosophy; that is, 
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Odigo says workers were warned of attack [9/11]

you know, if I ran a business and wanted to get my name out there, one way of 
doing it would be to 
start a rumor that something about what I do had some connection to 9/11 and 
then let the conspiracy 
folks run with it...

remember this name Odigo.  You are getting very sleepy, Odigo, very, very, 
sleepy, buy Odigo...

D. Mindock wrote:
 Odigo, an Israeli company, has an office not far from the location of 
 WTC. Peace, D. Mindock
 =
  
 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744contrassID=/has%5C
  
 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744contrassID=/has%5C
  
  
 Odigo says workers were warned of attack
 By Yuval Dror mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers 
 received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 
 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been 
 cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the 
 FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the 
 attack.
 
 Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the 
 messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's 
 management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, 
 which brought in the FBI.
 
 I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't 
 know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned 
 out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information 
 was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made, said Macover. Odigo 
 is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices 
 in Herzliya.
 
 As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending 
 messages only to people on their buddy list, as is the case with ICQ, 
 the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.
 
 Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, 
 said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to 
 provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet 
 Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the 
 Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ___
 Biofuel mailing list
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
 
 Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
 
 Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
 
 
 
 
 
 No virus found in this incoming message.
 Checked by AVG Free Edition.
 Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006


-- 
Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
=
The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral 
philosophy; that is, 
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Thermate used on the WTC buildings

I wonder if the members of this list that cant conceive of a government that would do this can get their minds around this interview?  The professor certainly presents the simple truth.  Kirk"D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's conclusive evidence that thermite or thermate(souped up form of thermiteis called thermate) was used in thecollapse of the three WTC buildings then the conspiracy theory is no longer a theory. It becomes an unsettling fact that it was indeedan "inside job."
 Peace, D. Mindock==1 of 2Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC CollapseEvidence mounting that cause first identified on Alex Jones Show led to towers' implosionA new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on September 11.http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm  2 of 2Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones, a BYU physics professor, who has scientifically proven that a special mix of thermite and sulfur and ...all» some other chemicals, known as thermate, was used to cut the WTC steel backbones. Thermate is widely used by the military and demolition companies as the cutting charges. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-284238498383411___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ 
		Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Bush Owes Us an Apology

robert and benita rabello wrote:
 D. Mindock wrote:
 
 *This will be important history someday.  Everyone should read it.  Pat* **
 
 
 
 Yesterday, the US Senate approved detainee legislation that essentially 
 hands dictatorial power
 over to the president.  Once this bill is reconciled with the House version 
 and is signed by Mr.
 Bush, he will have the right to detain anyone he deems a 
 threat--irrespective of their
 citizenship--without trial, without evidence, for as long as it pleases him.  
 I thought, for a
 gleaming moment, that Senator McCain would show some spine 

naw, he has to move to the right to survive a republican nomination...



and garner support to defeat this
 ill-conceived legislation, but he and other senators who should know better 
 simply caved in.
 
 Welcome to the fascist Republic of the United States . . .
 
 Mr. Bush doesn't need to apologize if he's king.
 
 robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind 
 http://www.newadventure.ca
 
 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
 
 
 
 
 ___ Biofuel mailing list 
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
 
 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
 
 Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
 
 
 
 
 
 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 
 Version: 7.1.407 / Virus
 Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006


-- 
Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
=
The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral 
philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

[Biofuel] Fwd: CANADIAN POLICE OFFICIAL APOLOGIZES FOR MISTAKES

How about restitution of lost wages and payment for pain and sudffering? Talk is cheap. Kirk CANADIAN POLICE OFFICIAL APOLOGIZES FOR MISTAKES Errors Led to Torture of Innocent Man By Doug Struck Washington Post Foreign ServiceFriday, September
29, 2006; Page A16 TORONTO, Sept. 28 -- Canada's top Mountie apologized Thursday for the "terrible injustices" done to a Canadian Muslim spirited to Syria and tortured for 10 months on false suspicions of terrorist ties. Critics of the government demanded that the prime minister offer his own apology. Giuliano Zaccardelli, commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, directed his remarks to Maher Arar, 36, who four years ago was detained at a New York airport and delivered to a Syrian prison by U.S. agents. Those agents were working on false information given to them by Canada. "Mr. Arar, I wish to take this opportunity to express publicly to you and to your wife and to your children how truly sorry I am" for RCMP actions that led to "the terrible injustices that
you experienced and the pain that you and your family endured," Zaccardelli said, testifying before a parliamentary committee. The remarks on the Arar case were Zaccardelli's first since a judicial inquiry on the controversy was released Sept. 18. The inquiry found that RCMP agents had given exaggerated and often flat-out false reports to U.S. intelligence agents, suggesting that Arar had terrorist connections and was the subject of a terrorist investigation. In fact, the exhaustive inquiry found, he was an innocent computer programmer. The United States sent Arar to Syria as part of its "extraordinary rendition" program, in which terrorist suspects are secretly dispatched to other countries, some of which are known to torture prisoners and practice brutal interrogation methods. U.S. officials have not acknowledged Arar's innocence or
any wrongdoing on their part. Political critics excoriated Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Thursday for balking at extending the same apology made by the RCMP commissioner. The House of Commons unanimously voted last week that "apologies should be presented" to Arar. But Harper's government has said any such formal _expression_ from the government must be part of a negotiated settlement to compensate the father of two children, ages 9 and 4. "Canada owes a moral debt to Mr. Arar and his children," Marlene Jennings, a Liberal Party lawmaker from Quebec, said in debate in the House of Commons. "The Conservative government has yet to apologize. Surely compassion is not a matter of negotiation." "The government agrees that Mr. Arar was the victim of a great
injustice," responded Jason Kenney, the Conservative Party parliamentary secretary to Harper. "But we have a responsibility to the taxpayers to ensure that the result will be responsible financially." Arar returned to Canada after his imprisonment in a coffin-size dungeon in Syria and has campaigned to clear his name. - Fair Use Notice This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice
issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. (See: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.) If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Thermate used on the WTC buildings

there is an old saw-  the first liar doesn't stand a chance.  I am by no 
means calling anybody a 
liar, I'm just using that saw to segue to- the first conspiracy doesn't...

here is one that thinks Steven Jones is all wet, yet they apparently have their 
own conspiracy

  http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7095


or here  is one  Did NORAD Send The Suicide Jets? Part 1 of 2: Inside Job

http://www.public-action.com/911/noradsend.html

or this, it wasn't norad, it was the israeli's :

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/stf1.html

or maybe it never happened, it was faked at fox news:

http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/


et al.


so gee, who's conspiracy are we to believe? ;-



Kirk McLoren wrote:
 I wonder if the members of this list that cant conceive of a government 
 that would do this can get their minds around this interview?
 The professor certainly presents the simple truth.
 Kirk
 
 */D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
  
 If there's conclusive evidence that thermite or thermate (souped up
 form of thermite is called thermate) was used in the
 collapse of the three WTC buildings then the conspiracy theory is no
 longer a theory. It becomes an unsettling fact that
 it was indeed an inside job.
 Peace, D. Mindock
 ==
  
 1 of 2
 Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse
 Evidence mounting that cause first identified on Alex Jones Show led
 to towers' implosion
 A new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of
 the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence
 makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the
 unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on
 September 11.
 
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm
 2 of 2
  Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones, a BYU physics professor, who
 has scientifically proven that a special mix of thermite and sulfur
 and *...* all *»* javascript:void(0) some other chemicals, known
 as thermate, was used to cut the WTC steel backbones. Thermate is
 widely used by the military and demolition companies as the cutting
 charges. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-284238498383411
 ___
 Biofuel mailing list
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
 
 Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
 
 Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
 messages):
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
 
 
 
 Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls 
 http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman1/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com
  
 to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
 
 
 
 
 ___
 Biofuel mailing list
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
 
 Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
 
 Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
 
 
 
 
 
 No virus found in this incoming message.
 Checked by AVG Free Edition.
 Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006


-- 
Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
=
The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral 
philosophy; that is, 
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

[Biofuel] Global Meltdown Feared - Vancouver Sun - 2006.09.25

2006-09-30 Thread econogics

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/features/energy/story.html?id=62464470-b75f-4b26-8360-f17b9a8e5249

Scott Simpson
Vancouver Sun

Monday, September 25, 2006

CREDIT: Nathan VanderKlippe, CanWest News Service
Warm weather came nearly a month early in many parts of the Arctic,
melting sea ice and setting the pace for another warm year. With
Photograph by : Nathan VanderKlippe, CanWest News Service

A landmark climate change report coming early next year will reveal such a
strong link between global warming and fossil fuels that the world will
have to end its addiction to oil, says a leading Canadian climate
researcher.

Ignoring the findings of the report will lead to widespread environmental
catastrophes, Andrew Weaver added.

We do not need more research to tell us what the first-order problem is,
and what needs to be done, said Weaver, Canada research chairman at the
University of Victoria's school of earth and ocean sciences.

He is one of the authors of a climate change report -- the first major
study since 2001 -- that will be released next year by an international
panel of scientists.

He was recently interviewed as part of The Vancouver Sun's series on
energy and the tough choices ahead for Canada in its role as the world's
most energy-dependent nation. Today's stories look at how the warming
climate is changing British Columbia's forest environment and threatening
migrating salmon.

Weaver said the new report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change will take an unprecedented stance on the urgency of
government measures to curb fossil fuel emissions from the combustion of
oil, natural gas and coal.

The strongest comment in the panel's last report, in 2001, was that most
global warming in the last 50 years was attributable to human activity.

This time around, he expects readers will be stunned by the size and scope
of environmental problems that the report will link to fossil fuel
combustion.

Weaver said climate change has been detected in patterns of rainfall,
rising sea levels, forest fires, extreme weather events -- and even the
availability of drinking water supplies.

We need to move to a complete and utter change in our energy systems so
that we no longer rely on fossil fuels. Period, Weaver said in an
interview.

I can tell you for sure that the statements in that report will be far
stronger than what existed in 2001. It will be flabbergastingly stronger.

Weaver pointed to an exclusive story last week in The Sun about the
disappearance of glaciers in Garibaldi Provincial Park, as an indicator of
just one of the challenges humanity will face as the warming trend
proceeds.

Simon Fraser University researcher Johannes Koch studied 15 glaciers in
the park and found they are at their smallest levels in at least 4,500 to
8,000 years -- and are shrinking faster than at any time in their history.

Weaver noted the Garibaldi trend is being repeated at virtually every
glacier in the world.

There are communities in this country that rely on summer melt for their
water. If these glaciers are on their way out, as you know from Garibaldi,
it creates rather a predicament.

Weaver believes the momentum for change is accelerating, and noted several
events last week as proof.

Flamboyant Virgin Group founder Richard Branson announced he would donate
$3 billion over 10 years to help combat global warming.

Branson plans to donate all the profits from his airline and train
services. He made the announcement last Thursday at a Global Initiative
conference organized by former United States president Bill Clinton.

Closer to home, Canadian and British researchers published a new study
that finds clearly detectable evidence of human-caused warming in
regions around the world, including Canada.

Study co-author Francis Zwiers, a Victoria-based researcher with the
Meteorological Service of Canada, said there is a large body of research
pointing the finger at human-caused greenhouse gas emissions pushing up
temperature on a global scale.

Virtually everybody who looks at this comes up with the same conclusion,
Zwiers said.

Zwiers said the new study, presented in Journal of Climate this month,
shows clearly detectable climate impacts right down to regional levels in
Canada and elsewhere.

This isn't the only study to have done this. But this is the first study
to use multiple models all at the same time and that makes the assessment
a bit more reliable.

Also last week, British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said in
reference to environmental concerns, including rising seas and melting
polar ice caps, that It is now extremely difficult to find a serious
scientific argument that this is not happening.

The changes we need to make aren't happening fast enough, Beckett said.

It was a particularly bumpy week for global warming opponents as well.

The United Kingdom's Guardian newspaper previewed a new book, Heat, with
an excerpt that eviscerates oil industry-funded groups that deny

Re: [Biofuel] Thermate used on the WTC buildings

And the metal samples from the memorial site. Lets mark out the cold fusion with a felt tip and reduce the reply to relevant comments. Another argument by obfuscation they are so practiced at. Physical evidence - and why was it destroyed? Samples couldnt be taken of metals sold as scrap? Why is that Bob? They couldnt get rid of the Murrah building fast enough either. That rubbble landfill is under armed guard last I heard. Kirkbob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is an old saw- " the first liar doesn't stand a chance". I am by no means calling anybody a liar, I'm just using that saw to segue to- "the first conspiracy doesn't..."here is one that thinks Steven Jones is all wet, yet they apparently have their
own conspiracyhttp://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7095or here is one " Did NORAD Send The "Suicide" Jets? Part 1 of 2: Inside Jobhttp://www.public-action.com/911/noradsend.htmlor this, it wasn't norad, it was the israeli's :http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/stf1.htmlor maybe it never happened, it was faked at fox news:http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/et al.so gee, who's conspiracy are we to believe? ;-Kirk McLoren wrote: I wonder if the members of this list that cant conceive of a government that would do this can get their minds around this interview? The professor certainly presents the simple truth. Kirk */"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: If there's conclusive evidence that thermite or thermate (souped up form of thermite is called thermate) was
used in the collapse of the three WTC buildings then the conspiracy theory is no longer a theory. It becomes an unsettling fact that it was indeed an "inside job." Peace, D. Mindock == 1 of 2 Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse Evidence mounting that cause first identified on Alex Jones Show led to towers' implosion A new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on September 11. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm 2 of 2 Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones, a BYU physics professor, who has scientifically
proven that a special mix of thermite and sulfur and *...* all *»* <_javascript_:void(0)>some other chemicals, known as thermate, was used to cut the WTC steel backbones. Thermate is widely used by the military and demolition companies as the cutting charges. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-284238498383411 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls
to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database:
268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006-- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob=The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Bush Owes Us an Apology

2006-09-30 Thread Doug Younker

In the event that the nut doesn't fall from the tree. Just don't hold 
your breath waiting for any kind of apology from GWB.  I recall GHWB 
stating he(GHWB) would never apologize for anything America has done, 
EVEN if it was WRONG.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
When all else fails- Amateur Radio 
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/pscm/sec1-ch1.html ARES

robert and benita rabello wrote:
 
 
   Yesterday, the US Senate approved detainee legislation that 
 essentially hands dictatorial power over to the president.  Once this bill is 
 reconciled with the House version and is signed by Mr. Bush, he will have the 
 right to detain anyone he deems a threat--irrespective of their 
 citizenship--without trial, without evidence, for as long as it pleases him.  
 I thought, for a gleaming moment, that Senator McCain would show some spine 
 and garner support to defeat this ill-conceived legislation, but he and other 
 senators who should know better simply caved in.
 
   Welcome to the fascist Republic of the United States . . .
 
   Mr. Bush doesn't need to apologize if he's king.
 
 robert luis rabello

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: CANADIAN POLICE OFFICIAL APOLOGIZES FOR MISTAKES

2006-09-30 Thread Doug Younker

Those who caused the losses, pain will not be the ones to paying 
restitution.  I propose the name every elected politician and political 
appointees who vote for, or otherwise support torture, be put in a hat. 
  Whenever an innocent is torture, a name will be drawn from that, and 
that person will be subjected, to whatever the innocent was subjected to.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
When all else fails- Amateur Radio 
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/pscm/sec1-ch1.html ARES

Kirk McLoren wrote:
 How about restitution of lost wages and payment for pain and sudffering? 
 Talk is cheap.
 Kirk

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

[Biofuel] Audio Interview (2003) with Ray Kurzweil, futurist and inventor




Very intriguing ideas are 
presented covering nanotech, computing, medicine, cosmos,
biomechanical integration, virtual 
reality, acceleration of intelligence, spirituality, etc. About
an hour long. Peace, D. 
Mindock

http://www.wie.org/features/bonus/kurzweil.m3u?ecp=FP-20
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

[Biofuel] Fw: In Case I Disappear




Maybe that's why there's a number of new prisons 
springing up. All of us who say
what we think about The Shrub 
will be locked up. Those that join or are inpeace groups 
are
danger. Peace is bad for Big 
Defense, Big Oil, and slows the spread of democracy,
BushCo's kind, to Iraq and 
other places where it's not wanted.Websites, I 
imagine,
could be shut down for 
telling the truth about 9/11. We'reat the mercy of a rogue 
president.
And it is all before election time. Are the 
non-Repugs all going to be locked up? 
Peace, D. 
Mindock
In Case I 
DisappearBy William Rivers 
Pittt r u t h o u t | Perspective
Friday 29 September 
2006
I have been told a thousand times 
at least, in the years I have spent reporting on the astonishing and repugnant 
abuses, lies and failures of the Bush administration, to watch my back. "Be 
careful," people always tell me. "These people are capable of anything. Stay off 
small planes, make sure you aren't being followed." A running joke between my 
mother and me is that she has a "safe room" set up for me in her cabin in the 
woods, in the event I have to flee because of something I wrote or 
said.
I always laughed and shook my head 
whenever I heard this stuff. Extreme paranoia wrapped in the tinfoil of 
conspiracy, I thought. This is still America, and these Bush fools will soon 
pass into history, I thought. I am a citizen, and the First Amendment hasn't yet 
been red-lined, I thought.
Matters are different 
now.
It seems, perhaps, that the people 
who warned me were not so paranoid. It seems, perhaps, that I was not paranoid 
enough. Legislation passed by the Republican House and Senate, legislation now 
marching up to the Republican White House for signature, has shattered a number 
of bedrock legal protections for suspects, prisoners, and pretty much anyone 
else George W. Bush deems to be an enemy.
So much of this legislation is 
wretched on the surface. Habeas corpus has been suspended for detainees 
suspected of terrorism or of aiding terrorism, so the Magna Carta-era rule that 
a person can face his accusers is now gone. Once a suspect has been thrown into 
prison, he does not have the right to a trial by his peers. Suspects cannot even 
stand in representation of themselves, another ancient protection, but must 
accept a military lawyer as their defender.
Illegally-obtained evidence can be 
used against suspects, whether that illegal evidence was gathered abroad or 
right here at home. To my way of thinking, this pretty much eradicates our 
security in persons, houses, papers, and effects, as stated in the Fourth 
Amendment, against illegal searches and seizures.
Speaking of collecting evidence, 
the torture of suspects and detainees has been broadly protected by this new 
legislation. While it tries to delineate what is and is not acceptable treatment 
of detainees, in the end, it gives George W. Bush the final word on what 
constitutes torture. US officials who use cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment 
to extract information from detainees are now shielded from 
prosecution.
It was two Supreme Court 
decisions, Hamdi v. Rumsfeld and Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, that compelled the creation 
of this legislation. The Hamdi decision held that a prisoner has the right of 
habeas corpus, and can challenge his detention before an impartial judge. The 
Hamdan decision held that the military commissions set up to try detainees 
violated both the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Geneva 
Conventions.
In short, the Supreme Court wiped 
out virtually every legal argument the Bush administration put forth to defend 
its extraordinary and dangerous behavior. The passage of this legislation came 
after a scramble by Republicans to paper over the torture and murder of a number 
of detainees. As columnist Molly Ivins wrote on Wednesday, "Of the over 700 
prisoners sent to Gitmo, only 10 have ever been formally charged with anything. 
Among other things, this bill is a CYA for torture of the innocent that has 
already taken place."
It seems almost certain that, at 
some point, the Supreme Court will hear a case to challenge the legality of this 
legislation, but even this is questionable. If a detainee is not allowed access 
to a fair trial or to the evidence against him, how can he bring a legal 
challenge to a court? The legislation, in anticipation of court challenges like 
Hamdi and Hamdan, even includes severe restrictions on judicial review over the 
legislation itself.
The Republicans in Congress have 
managed, at the behest of Mr. Bush, to draft a bill that all but erases the 
judicial branch of the government. Time will tell whether this aspect, along 
with all the others, will withstand legal challenges. If such a challenge comes, 
it will take time, and meanwhile there is this bill. All of the above is 
deplorable on its face, indefensible in a nation that prides itself on 
Constitutional rights, protections and the rule of law.
Underneath all this, however, is

Re: [Biofuel] Thermate used on the WTC buildings

hear ye, I am the ONE TRUE CONSPIRACY, thou shalt have no other conspiracies 
before me...

Kirk McLoren wrote:
 And the metal samples from the memorial site.
 Lets mark out the cold fusion with a felt tip and reduce the reply to 
 relevant comments.
 Another argument by obfuscation they are so practiced at.
 
 Physical evidence - and why was it destroyed? Samples couldnt be taken 
 of metals sold as scrap?
 Why is that Bob?
 They couldnt get rid of the Murrah building fast enough either.
 That rubbble landfill is under armed guard last I heard.
 Kirk
  
 
 */bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
 there is an old saw-  the first liar doesn't stand a chance. I am
 by no means calling anybody a
 liar, I'm just using that saw to segue to- the first conspiracy
 doesn't...
 
 here is one that thinks Steven Jones is all wet, yet they apparently
 have their own conspiracy
 
 http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7095
 
 
 or here is one  Did NORAD Send The Suicide Jets? Part 1 of 2:
 Inside Job
 
 http://www.public-action.com/911/noradsend.html
 
 or this, it wasn't norad, it was the israeli's :
 
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/stf1.html
 
 or maybe it never happened, it was faked at fox news:
 
 http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/
 
 
 et al.
 
 
 so gee, who's conspiracy are we to believe? ;-
 
 
 
 Kirk McLoren wrote:
   I wonder if the members of this list that cant conceive of a
 government
   that would do this can get their minds around this interview?
   The professor certainly presents the simple truth.
   Kirk
  
   */D. Mindock /* wrote:
  
  
   If there's conclusive evidence that thermite or thermate (souped up
   form of thermite is called thermate) was used in the
   collapse of the three WTC buildings then the conspiracy theory is no
   longer a theory. It becomes an unsettling fact that
   it was indeed an inside job.
   Peace, D. Mindock
   ==
  
   1 of 2
   Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse
   Evidence mounting that cause first identified on Alex Jones Show led
   to towers' implosion
   A new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of
   the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence
   makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the
   unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on
   September 11.
  
 
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm
   2 of 2
   Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones, a BYU physics professor, who
   has scientifically proven that a special mix of thermite and sulfur
   and *...* all *»* some other chemicals, known
   as thermate, was used to cut the WTC steel backbones. Thermate is
   widely used by the military and demolition companies as the cutting
   charges. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-284238498383411
   ___
   Biofuel mailing list
   Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
  
   Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
   http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
  
   Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
   messages):
   http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
  
  
  
 
   Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls
  
   to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
  
  
  
 
  
   ___
   Biofuel mailing list
   Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
  
   Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
   http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
  
   Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
 (50,000 messages):
   http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
  
  
  
  
 
  
   No virus found in this incoming message.
   Checked by AVG Free Edition.
   Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date:
 9/29/2006
 
 
 -- 
 Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
 =
 The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises
 in moral philosophy; that is,
 the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: In Case I Disappear

2006-09-30 Thread Tom Irwin





Hi All,

I think this new law will be easily thrown out by the Supreme Court. As bad as they are they won´t permit a usurpation of their power. Unfortunately, it will probably take three years for the court to get the case,

Tom



From: D. Mindock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;Sent: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:25:54 -0300Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: In Case I Disappear
Maybe that's why there's a number of new prisons springing up. All of us who say
what we think about The Shrub will be locked up. Those that join or are inpeace groups are
danger. Peace is bad for Big Defense, Big Oil, and slows the spread of democracy,
BushCo's kind, to Iraq and other places where it's not wanted.Websites, I imagine,
could be shut down for telling the truth about 9/11. We'reat the mercy of a rogue president.
And it is all before election time. Are the non-Repugs all going to be locked up? 
Peace, D. Mindock
In Case I DisappearBy William Rivers Pittt r u t h o u t | Perspective
Friday 29 September 2006
I have been told a thousand times at least, in the years I have spent reporting on the astonishing and repugnant abuses, lies and failures of the Bush administration, to watch my back. "Be careful," people always tell me. "These people are capable of anything. Stay off small planes, make sure you aren't being followed." A running joke between my mother and me is that she has a "safe room" set up for me in her cabin in the woods, in the event I have to flee because of something I wrote or said.
Snip___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: In Case I Disappear

2006-09-30 Thread Jason Katie




still waiting for a fight-and-a-pint?its nota 
corner pub, things will be very ugly, possibly painful. there will be many 
people in the streets protesting, fighting, and possibly being hurt or killed 
before this is over.
JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom Irwin 

  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:38 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: In Case I 
  Disappear
  
  Hi All,
  
  I think this new law will be easily thrown out by the Supreme Court. As 
  bad as they are they won´t permit a usurpation of their power. Unfortunately, 
  it will probably take three years for the court to get the case,
  
  Tom
  
  

From: D. Mindock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
Undisclosed-Recipient:;Sent: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:25:54 
-0300Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: In Case I Disappear
Maybe that's why there's a number of new prisons springing up. All of 
us who say
what we think about The 
Shrub will be locked up. Those that join or are inpeace groups 
are
danger. Peace is bad for 
Big Defense, Big Oil, and slows the spread of democracy,
BushCo's kind, to Iraq 
and other places where it's not wanted.Websites, I 
imagine,
could be shut down for 
telling the truth about 9/11. We'reat the mercy of a rogue 
president.
And it is all before election time. Are the 
non-Repugs all going to be locked up? 
Peace, D. 
Mindock
In Case I 
DisappearBy William Rivers 
Pittt r u t h o u t | Perspective
Friday 29 September 
2006
I have been told a thousand 
times at least, in the years I have spent reporting on the astonishing and 
repugnant abuses, lies and failures of the Bush administration, to watch my 
back. "Be careful," people always tell me. "These people are capable of 
anything. Stay off small planes, make sure you aren't being followed." A 
running joke between my mother and me is that she has a "safe room" set up 
for me in her cabin in the woods, in the event I have to flee because of 
something I wrote or said.
Snip
  
  

  ___Biofuel mailing 
  listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel 
  at Journey to 
  Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the 
  combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 
  messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
  
  

  No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free 
  Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 
  9/29/2006
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: CANADIAN POLICE OFFICIAL APOLOGIZES FOR MISTAKES

Brilliant idea!!KirkDoug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Those who caused the losses, pain will not be the ones to paying restitution. I propose the name every elected politician and political appointees who vote for, or otherwise support torture, be put in a hat. Whenever an innocent is torture, a name will be drawn from that, and that person will be subjected, to whatever the innocent was subjected to.Doug, N0LKKKansas USA inc.When all else fails- Amateur Radio http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/pscm/sec1-ch1.html ARESKirk McLoren wrote: How about restitution of lost wages and payment for pain and suffering?  Talk is cheap. Kirk 
		Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.  Great rates starting at 1¢/min. 
	
		Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] Thermate used on the WTC buildings

Kirk,
   Bob, follow the money. Who benefitted from 9/11? Not Steven Jones.
   Anyhow, imo, the evidence is overwhelming. And by implication you call 
Steven Jones a liar. He is making
it up about the thermate, huh? What possible motive would you say he has?
   I mean it is nice to play the devil's advocate. It is useful. But what 
are you doing except trying to
throw confusion into the debate over what really transpired on that fateful 
day.
   I gotta take a cold shower.
Peace to all, D. Mindock

- Original Message - 
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Thermate used on the WTC buildings


there is an old saw-  the first liar doesn't stand a chance.  I am by no 
means calling anybody a
liar, I'm just using that saw to segue to- the first conspiracy doesn't...

here is one that thinks Steven Jones is all wet, yet they apparently have 
their own conspiracy

  http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7095


or here  is one  Did NORAD Send The Suicide Jets? Part 1 of 2: Inside Job

http://www.public-action.com/911/noradsend.html

or this, it wasn't norad, it was the israeli's :

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/stf1.html

or maybe it never happened, it was faked at fox news:

http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/


et al.


so gee, who's conspiracy are we to believe? ;-



Kirk McLoren wrote:
 I wonder if the members of this list that cant conceive of a government
 that would do this can get their minds around this interview?
 The professor certainly presents the simple truth.
 Kirk

 */D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:


 If there's conclusive evidence that thermite or thermate (souped up
 form of thermite is called thermate) was used in the
 collapse of the three WTC buildings then the conspiracy theory is no
 longer a theory. It becomes an unsettling fact that
 it was indeed an inside job.
 Peace, D. Mindock
 ==

 1 of 2
 Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse
 Evidence mounting that cause first identified on Alex Jones Show led
 to towers' implosion
 A new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of
 the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence
 makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the
 unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on
 September 11.
 
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm
 2 of 2
  Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones, a BYU physics professor, who
 has scientifically proven that a special mix of thermite and sulfur
 and *...* all *»* javascript:void(0) some other chemicals, known
 as thermate, was used to cut the WTC steel backbones. Thermate is
 widely used by the military and demolition companies as the cutting
 charges. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-284238498383411
 ___
 Biofuel mailing list
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

 Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

 Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
 messages):
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/


 
 Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls
 http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman1/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com
 to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.


 

 ___
 Biofuel mailing list
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

 Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

 Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 
 messages):
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



 

 No virus found in this incoming message.
 Checked by AVG Free Edition.
 Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006


-- 
Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
=
The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral 
philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

Margaret Olsen, M.D., a dermatologist who practices in Los Angeles, received $5,000 for her endorsement. Thats the problem with most of the MD pharma endorsements. placebo works as well or better. The white coat has heavy mojo. Herbs on the other hand have been endorsed by thousands of practitioners over dozens or more of generations. Which do you trust? bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you be the judge as to the value of testimonial evidence:"NBC's Dateline has broadcast the results of an undercover investigation in which an infomercial producer was asked to create an infomercial for an alleged skin moisturizer called "Moisturol." Even though the producer was told that there was no scientific evidence that the product
worked, he agreed to create an infomercial complete with a medical endorser and testimonials from allegedly satisfied users. After the infomercial was completed, the investigators confronted the participants, most of whom (including the doctor) had not even tried the product. Six of the seven "satisfied customers" were actresses who received $50. Margaret Olsen, M.D., a dermatologist who practices in Los Angeles, received $5,000 for her endorsement. The participants did not know that the product was a fake that had been made from Nestle's Quick (a powdered chocolate drink mix). The text and video of the investigation are posted on NBC's Web site. [From the inside out: If you had a questionable product, how hard would it be to find someone to make an infomercial and sell your product to millions? Dateline decided to find out. Dateline, Sept 15, 2006] http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14856571/ "--Bob
Allen___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

Gimme herbs anytime. Even
ephedra is safe if used wisely. Everything has a risk/benefit
ratio.
Even water can be dangerous if you drink
too much. Hard to do this but possible.But precrip drugs have a very poor
safety record, especially when studies
are compromised to give the desired result. That is not science.
Essential oils, derived from
herbs,are mentioned in the Bible many times. Spikenard comes to
mind.
Some studies are designed to fail from
the beginning. E.g., the vit E study that said vit E does
not protect the heart. They intentionally
used the dl type. Still it did provide a weak protective
effect if one actually read the results
and ignored the media hysteria. If they had used d-alpha
type the results would have been better.
But no, they used the synthetic form instead. And if they
had used gamma tocopherol the results
would have been good indeed. Anyway, we're being softened
to give up our supplements or have them
drastically weakened. Big Pharma wants no competition and
will use money and junk science to get
rid of it. And disinfo.
We the People (the workers)are
getting the royal shaft in health, finances, and freedom. We used to pursue

these things but nowour
government's policiesis making them nonavailable.
Peace, D. Mindock

- Original Message -

From:
Kirk
McLoren
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:32
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as
proof

Margaret Olsen, M.D., a dermatologist who practices in Los Angeles,
received $5,000 for her endorsement.

Thats the problem with most of the MD pharma endorsements. placebo works
as well or better.
The white coat has heavy mojo.
Herbs on the other hand have been endorsed by thousands of practitioners
over dozens or more of generations.
Which do you trust?
bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you
be the judge as to the value of testimonial evidence:"NBC's
Dateline has broadcast the results of an undercover investigation in
which an infomercial producer was asked to create an infomercial for an
alleged skin moisturizer called "Moisturol." Even though the producer
was told that there was no scientific evidence that the product worked,
he agreed to create an infomercial complete with a medical endorser and
testimonials from allegedly satisfied users. After the infomercial was
completed, the investigators confronted the participants, most of whom
(including the doctor) had not even tried the product. Six of the seven
"satisfied customers" were actresses who received $50. Margaret Olsen,
M.D., a dermatologist who practices in Los Angeles, received $5,000 for
her endorsement. The participants did not know that the product was a
fake that had been made from Nestle's Quick (a powdered chocolate drink
mix). The text and video of the investigation are posted on NBC's Web
site. [From the inside out: If you had a questionable product, how hard
would it be to find someone to make an infomercial and sell your product
to millions? Dateline decided to find out. Dateline, Sept 15, 2006]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14856571/ "--Bob
Allen___Biofuel
mailing
listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel
at Journey to
Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the
combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

Disinfo is their currency. The truth is not in them --Kirk"D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gimme herbs anytime. Even ephedra is safe if used wisely. Everything has a risk/benefit ratio. Even water can be dangerous if you drink too much. Hard to do this but possible.But precrip drugs have a very poor safety record, especially when studies are compromised to give the desired result. That is not science. Essential oils, derived from herbs,are mentioned in the Bible many times. Spikenard comes to mind. Some studies are designed to fail from the beginning. E.g., the vit E study that said vit E does not protect the heart. They intentionally used the dl type. Still it did provide a weak protective effect if one actually read the results and ignored the media hysteria. If they had used d-alpha type the results would have been better. But no, they used the synthetic form instead. And if they had used gamma tocopherol the results would have been good indeed. Anyway, we're being softened to give up our supplements or have them drastically weakened. Big Pharma wants no competition and will use money and junk science to get rid of it. And
disinfo. We the People (the workers)are getting the royal shaft in health, finances, and freedom. We used to pursue these things but nowour government's policiesis making them nonavailable. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proofMargaret Olsen, M.D., a dermatologist who practices in Los Angeles, received $5,000 for her endorsement. Thats the problem with most of the MD pharma endorsements. placebo works as well or better. The white coat has heavy mojo. Herbs on the other hand have been endorsed by thousands of practitioners over dozens or more of generations. Which do you trust? bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you be the judge as to the value of testimonial evidence:"NBC's Dateline has broadcast the results of an undercover investigation in which an infomercial producer was asked to
create an infomercial for an alleged skin moisturizer called "Moisturol." Even though the producer was told that there was no scientific evidence that the product worked, he agreed to create an infomercial complete with a medical endorser and testimonials from allegedly satisfied users. After the infomercial was completed, the investigators confronted the participants, most of whom (including the doctor) had not even tried the product. Six of the seven "satisfied customers" were actresses who received $50. Margaret Olsen, M.D., a dermatologist who practices in Los Angeles, received $5,000 for her endorsement. The participants did not know that the product was a fake that had been made from Nestle's Quick (a powdered chocolate drink mix). The text and video of the investigation are posted on NBC's Web site. [From the inside out: If you had a questionable product, how hard would it be to find someone to make an infomercial
and sell your product to millions? Dateline decided to find out. Dateline, Sept 15, 2006] http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14856571/ "--Bob Allen___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing
listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

[Biofuel] Passive solar home