Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers
Doug, pause the film and write down the various documentation provided to substantiate Russo's claims, then check them out for yourself. Or, even easier, Google National I.D. Card or Real ID Act. Things change dramatically in Amerika in May, 2008, Doug. Things change dramatically. After you have checked this out for yourself, please write back. I'd like to hear what you think then. D and Jason are in Missouri, you're in Kansas. I live in Lawrence. Perhaps what is coming will give us all cause to cross paths. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers The problem I have with films such is this is that the information flows by so fast, and without being provided a transcript one can't really study the issue, perhaps that's by design? I have long understood it's mostly about the wealth* and who is able to accumulate it, but that's been the case ever since humans banded into tribes hasn't? I do believe they are vastly overstating the capabilities of RFID. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. *IMO wealth is the better term to use, as there are many things other than money supply that can be use to extort the populace. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Add quality years to your life
All about how to add quality years to your life and preventing cancer (or its recurrence) which has now reached epidemic levels in the USA. Nicely done site!!! Peace, D. Mindock http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/cancerselftreatment.htm___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth
It seems to me, that one of the few solutions that really makes sense, besides stopping the release of sequestered solar heat (coal, oil and such) would be in the conversion of current solar energy to a non-heating energy... Another would be to cover the planet in life forms that are able to convert solar energy to sequestered energy. Trees come to mind... But rather than releasing the heat once the tree is grown, let it grow more! Nature has been trapping solar energy for millions of years here on this planet, and leaving deposits of this energy about wherever the ancient forests and oceans once were. By releasing this energy, and adding it to the energy that the sun is still pouring out onto our planet, I can't see how anyone can imagine that our planet will not overheat. The geothermal heat that is produced in the core of the planet will eventually have no place to go, and I can imagine how one day, the earth's solid crust will eventually become thinner, resulting in tectonic activity not seen since the planet was much younger. doug swanson Terry Dyck wrote: The science sounds similar to Chem Trails, an inert alluminum partical spread by aircraft to create a cloud formation in our skies. They have already caused health problems but are still being used. Most people mistake them for Contrails from Jets but Chem Trails last longer and spread out much wider than Contrails. They do shade the earth but at what cost to human health. Terry Dyck From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:10:00 -0500 (EST) The geoengineering approach appears to ignore the problem of the seas becoming more acid due to more dissolved CO2. I don't see an engineering approach to that one at any bearable cost. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Keith Addison wrote: From: The Economist, Jan. 15, 2006 http://www.precaution.org/lib/07/prn_global_engineering.070115.htm[P rinter-friendly version] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth How big science might fix climate change Few scientists like to say so, but cutting greenhouse-gas emissions is not the only way to solve the problem of global warming. If man-made technologies are capable of heating the planet, they are probably capable of cooling it down again. Welcome to geo-engineering, which holds that, rather than trying to change mankind's industrial habits, it is more efficient to counter the effects, using planetary-scale engineering. This general approach has been kicking around for decades. A paper on climate change prepared for President Lyndon Johnson in 1965 made no mention of cutting greenhouse-gas emissions. It nonchalantly proposed dealing with the results by dumping vast quantities of reflective particles into the oceans, to increase the amount of sunlight reflected into space. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How richest fuel global warming - but poorest suffer mostfrom it
Hi Terry Hi Keith, The most significant difference from people in Britain and people of Kenya seems to be transportation and electricity. I think this shows the significant difference better: UK - GDP - per capita: $31,400 (2006 est.) Unemployment rate: 5.4% (2006 est.) Population below poverty line: 17% (2002 est.) Kenya - GDP - per capita (PPP): $1,200 (2006 est.) Unemployment rate: 40% (2001 est.) Population below poverty line: 50% (2000 est.) There are many ways of interpreting those figures, but the comparison is apt enough. Biofuels and electric cars for transportation and the many alternatives such as wind. solar, bio mass, geothermal, etc. for generating electricity by the western world could solve these differences. We should be considerate of the suffering of people in the poorest countries. Indeed. In that case we'd stop causing it. Best Keith Terry Dyck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How richest fuel global warming - but poorest suffer mostfrom it Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:46:58 +0900 http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2137667.ece Independent Online Edition Environment How richest fuel global warming - but poorest suffer most from it By Philip Thornton, Economics Correspondent Published: 09 January 2007 By the end of tomorrow the average Briton will have caused as much global warning as the typical Kenyan will over the whole of this year, according to a report. The findings highlight the glaring imbalance between the rich countries that produce most of the pollution and the poor countries that suffer the consequences in the forms of drought, floods, starvation and disease. The World Development Movement (WDM), a poverty campaign group, has drawn up a climate calendar showing the dates when the UK will have emitted as much CO2 gas as other countries will in a year. Unsurprisingly, the poorest counties such as Chad, Afghanistan and the Democratic Republic of Congo produce virtually no carbon emissions. Even populous countries such as India will be overtaken in its emissions by the UK in a month's time. In fact, 164 countries in the world have a smaller carbon footprint than the UK, while just 20, mainly including the major oil producers as well as the US, have a larger one. By the end of tomorrow the average Briton will have produced 0.26 tonnes of CO2 emissions. The poorest countries in the world, with 738 million people, make no contribution to climate change, but it is those same people who face the worst consequences, Benedict Southworth, WDM's director, said. One hundred and sixty thousand people are already dying every year due to climate change- related diseases and billions will face drought, floods, starvation and disease. WDM has calculated the figures by taking the annual CO2 emission for each country, dividing by the number of people and then working out a daily contribution. Thus while an Afghan on average will produce an annual equivalent of 0.02 tonnes of CO2, a Briton will produce 9.62 tonnes and the most prolific polluter - someone from the United Arab Emirates - will emit about 56 tonnes. WDM acknowledged that its figures were based on averages that masked differences between life in rural and urban areas, but said that the figures still exposed the injustice of global warming. It is the richest people in the world who have produced and who are still producing most of the greenhouse gases causing climate change, Mr Southworth said. The report said 7,800 Kenyans, Tanzanians and Rwandans died every year from diseases that were related to climate change. It warned that a 2C rise in temperature could lead to as many as 60 million more people being exposed to malaria in Africa. The potential for massive ecological and human suffering as a result of climate change was a key finding in the report by Sir Nicholas Stern, although it was overshadowed by the political debate over the need for higher taxes or the imposition of rationing. The Stern report found that many vulnerable regions embracing millions of people in sub-Saharan Africa were at risk from harvest failures, droughts and malaria. It warned that these phenomena would affect the poorest people most of all and fuel conflicts and raise the number of child deaths as populations moved to avoid the worst-hit areas. WDM said that although the Government had used the Stern report to show Britain's commitment to fighting climate change, emissions had risen 5 per cent under Labour. It called on the Government to include legally binding annual targets to cut emissions in its Climate Change Bill. Carbon comparison The average British citizen produces 26kg of CO2 in a day. This breaks down as follows: * 7.4 electricity * 1.6 fuel production * 3.8 manufacturing and construction * 7.4
Re: [Biofuel] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth
Hmmm. I never thought about the actual heat released by burning fossil fuels. Does anyone know how significant this is compared to the global warming impact of the CO2 generated? Z On 1/21/07, doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me, that one of the few solutions that really makes sense, besides stopping the release of sequestered solar heat (coal, oil and such) would be in the conversion of current solar energy to a non-heating energy... Another would be to cover the planet in life forms that are able to convert solar energy to sequestered energy. Trees come to mind... But rather than releasing the heat once the tree is grown, let it grow more! Nature has been trapping solar energy for millions of years here on this planet, and leaving deposits of this energy about wherever the ancient forests and oceans once were. By releasing this energy, and adding it to the energy that the sun is still pouring out onto our planet, I can't see how anyone can imagine that our planet will not overheat. The geothermal heat that is produced in the core of the planet will eventually have no place to go, and I can imagine how one day, the earth's solid crust will eventually become thinner, resulting in tectonic activity not seen since the planet was much younger. doug swanson Terry Dyck wrote: The science sounds similar to Chem Trails, an inert alluminum partical spread by aircraft to create a cloud formation in our skies. They have already caused health problems but are still being used. Most people mistake them for Contrails from Jets but Chem Trails last longer and spread out much wider than Contrails. They do shade the earth but at what cost to human health. Terry Dyck From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:10:00 -0500 (EST) The geoengineering approach appears to ignore the problem of the seas becoming more acid due to more dissolved CO2. I don't see an engineering approach to that one at any bearable cost. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Keith Addison wrote: From: The Economist, Jan. 15, 2006 http://www.precaution.org/lib/07/prn_global_engineering.070115.htm [P rinter-friendly version] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth How big science might fix climate change Few scientists like to say so, but cutting greenhouse-gas emissions is not the only way to solve the problem of global warming. If man-made technologies are capable of heating the planet, they are probably capable of cooling it down again. Welcome to geo-engineering, which holds that, rather than trying to change mankind's industrial habits, it is more efficient to counter the effects, using planetary-scale engineering. This general approach has been kicking around for decades. A paper on climate change prepared for President Lyndon Johnson in 1965 made no mention of cutting greenhouse-gas emissions. It nonchalantly proposed dealing with the results by dumping vast quantities of reflective particles into the oceans, to increase the amount of sunlight reflected into space. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New Compost Bin
Hello everyone! Our snow is FINALLY melting as temperatures move closer to what most of us consider normal around here. Since I've got my truck running again, I've been picking up barn litter for the garden and decided I needed to DO something about my broken compost bin . . . One of the local greenhouses has a collection of 220 liter barrels for sale. These are food grade plastic with two piece lids that screw on. I picked one of these up last week. Yesterday I drew a grid on the back of a cut up cereal box and made a template for drilling holes. It took me about an hour to go completely around the barrel, drilling little holes for aeration. I cut the bottom of the barrel out so that it can be accessed by my friendly earthworms from beneath. Today, I intend to drill a hole in the top and insert a pipe down the center of the barrel. I'll drill holes in the pipe and tie screen around it so the compost pile has access to air from the middle, sides and top. (That was a good idea, Keith! Thank you!) My sweetheart likes the way the barrel looks. When it comes time to get finished compost out, I'll simply tip the barrel over and dig compost out from the bottom. This was a relatively simple (and cheap) solution to a commercial compost bin. I can hardly wait for the weather to warm up again! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ethanol use has Environmental Downsides
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/39942/story.htm Reuters Summit - Ethanol use has Environmental Downsides BRAZIL: January 22, 2007 SAO PAULO - Biofuels have the potential to lessen the impact of human civilization on the environment, but even the greenest of renewable fuels production is not without its dirty underbelly, experts said. Although global warming is a growing concern among policy makers, the current trend to substitute fossil fuels with renewables is in part motivated by countries' efforts to reduce their dependence on oil from politically volatile regions. Brazil's cane ethanol distillers, with three decades experience in nationwide production and distribution, have compiled data demonstrating the fuel's advantage over fossil counterparts in the reduction of greenhouse gasses. Ethanol accounts for 40 percent of total fuels used by non-diesel powered vehicles in Brazil and represents a 30 percent reduction of greenhouse gas emissions from the transport sector, the Cane Industry Association (Unica) said. But not even the global stars of renewable fuels are free of critics who fear that increased ethanol use worldwide will hasten deforestation in the Amazon and other tropical rain forests in order to produce sugar cane. In 20 years, I doubt there will be a gasoline car on the Brazilian market. They will all be powered by ethanol, Unica President Eduardo Pereira Carvalho said during the Reuters Global Biofuel Summit. Brazil began its ethanol program 30 years ago when it was importing nearly 90 percent of oil needed for domestic use. During its growth to maturity, the cane stalk absorbs the same amount of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere as is eventually emitted during combustion of the ethanol distilled from its juices. But this is not so for ethanol made from corn in the United States or wheat in Europe. These primary materials must first be turned into sugars before fermentation, which requires the use extra fossil fuels and adds to carbon gasses emitted in the production process. Brazilian cane mills are also powered by leftover cane stalks that heat caldrons to generate steam and electric energy, an extra advantage that corn and wheat don't have. Unica estimates that Brazilian cane ethanol on average yields more than 8 times more energy than is used in the production process, compared with US corn ethanol production that yields between 1.1 to 1.7 times as much energy. This advantage should improve with the use of state-of-the-art technologies in Brazilian mills. EUROPEAN TRADE RESTRICTIONS The European Union, which just proposed the use of 10 percent biofuels for transport by 2020, signaled it will demand proof from suppliers that the product was made in a sustainable manner, a requirements that may rule out US ethanol. Environmentalists have already begun to warn that the expansion of biofuel use currently underway will represent increased use of land for planting, which could stimulate deforestation or the use of more reserve lands. We're currently working on some sort of certification system to ensure that biofuels that are imported, or the raw materials, are taken from sustainable production, EU Commission agriculture spokesman Michael Mann said. Some US producers hold greater trust in market forces. Don Endres, CEO of US ethanol producer VeraSun, said better farmers tend to squeeze out less efficient producers and bring more land under their farming practices over time. By providing a market we increase the value and that allows for better farmers to increase land, Endres said. Farmers take very good care of their soil and erosion because they invest a lot in the organic matter. Story by Inae Riveras REUTERS NEWS SERVICE ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers
Hi Mike, I am just outside MO, 15 miles east of St Louis. Yep, if people aren't worried about the way this country is transforming into corporatism/fascism , they are either asleep/apathetic or have given up all hope. We do have the ability to reverse the trend. Stop shopping, avoid prescript drugs/vaccinations, eat organic, do demos, sickouts, slowdowns, marches, keep your kids out of the military, etc. Do not feed the beast. Peace, D. Mindock Doug, pause the film and write down the various documentation provided to substantiate Russo's claims, then check them out for yourself. Or, even easier, Google National I.D. Card or Real ID Act. Things change dramatically in Amerika in May, 2008, Doug. Things change dramatically. After you have checked this out for yourself, please write back. I'd like to hear what you think then. D and Jason are in Missouri, you're in Kansas. I live in Lawrence. Perhaps what is coming will give us all cause to cross paths. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers The problem I have with films such is this is that the information flows by so fast, and without being provided a transcript one can't really study the issue, perhaps that's by design? I have long understood it's mostly about the wealth* and who is able to accumulate it, but that's been the case ever since humans banded into tribes hasn't? I do believe they are vastly overstating the capabilities of RFID. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. *IMO wealth is the better term to use, as there are many things other than money supply that can be use to extort the populace. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers
Hey D, you missed something out there when you talk about apathy / sleeping, that's stupidity! (Not that I would apply that to all in the US certainly not those on this list, so no offence intended guys!!) But the link below is a testament to the successful job a succession of US governments have made to keep the majority of US citizens dumbed down therefore more controllable, yes before anyone jumps down my throat we have 'em here in the UK too! We call them Chavs, lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY8u54jFubM Peace indeed god help us...whoever he is Regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Mindock Sent: 22 January 2007 20:01 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers Hi Mike, I am just outside MO, 15 miles east of St Louis. Yep, if people aren't worried about the way this country is transforming into corporatism/fascism , they are either asleep/apathetic or have given up all hope. We do have the ability to reverse the trend. Stop shopping, avoid prescript drugs/vaccinations, eat organic, do demos, sickouts, slowdowns, marches, keep your kids out of the military, etc. Do not feed the beast. Peace, D. Mindock Doug, pause the film and write down the various documentation provided to substantiate Russo's claims, then check them out for yourself. Or, even easier, Google National I.D. Card or Real ID Act. Things change dramatically in Amerika in May, 2008, Doug. Things change dramatically. After you have checked this out for yourself, please write back. I'd like to hear what you think then. D and Jason are in Missouri, you're in Kansas. I live in Lawrence. Perhaps what is coming will give us all cause to cross paths. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers The problem I have with films such is this is that the information flows by so fast, and without being provided a transcript one can't really study the issue, perhaps that's by design? I have long understood it's mostly about the wealth* and who is able to accumulate it, but that's been the case ever since humans banded into tribes hasn't? I do believe they are vastly overstating the capabilities of RFID. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. *IMO wealth is the better term to use, as there are many things other than money supply that can be use to extort the populace. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers
malcolm maclure wrote: Hey D, you missed something out there when you talk about apathy / sleeping, that's stupidity! We've discussed this sort of thing before, but the list members who fall into that group tend to become quickly disgruntled and leave in an indignant huff, stating things like: Those Biofuel liberals bash America, and What do you mean Iraq didn't attack us? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY8u54jFubM Sadly, one only needs to look at our president to realize that people like these voted for him . . . There are MILLIONS of them! How come nobody ever asks ME questions like that? Peace indeed god help us...whoever he is Help is on the way! : - ) robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers
Hi Roberto, malcolm maclure wrote: Hey D, you missed something out there when you talk about apathy / sleeping, that's stupidity! We've discussed this sort of thing before, but the list members who fall into that group tend to become quickly disgruntled and leave in an indignant huff, stating things like: Those Biofuel liberals bash America, and What do you mean Iraq didn't attack us? Well, it does sorta separate the wheat from the chaff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY8u54jFubM Sadly, one only needs to look at our president to realize that people like these voted for him . . . There are MILLIONS of them! How come nobody ever asks ME questions like that? Hmm. Maybe you gotta drive a beatup pickup with a rifle in the rear window? LoL. Peace indeed god help us...whoever he is Help is on the way! : - ) Obrigado. We need all the help we can get down here in BushCo land. Peace, D. Mindock robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.5 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth
another bizarre- and most likely ineffective- idea came to me this afternoon. i remembered a chem class in high school where the instructor used sulfuric acid to dehydrate sugar. the reaction gave solid graphite carbon, heat, lots of water steam, and acid vapor. i wonder if something like this could be used to trap carbon in solid form, since people cant get past this sequestering idea... the water could be used as coolant and the sulfuric vapors could be collected and reused, and the carbon can be compressed and stacked as blocks, maybe even used in carbon fiber car parts (giving a significant weight/power shift in most small cars). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] ESCALATION AGAINST IRAN
Escalation Against Iran The Pieces Are Being Put in Place Col. Sam Gardiner [Sam Gardiner is a retired colonel of the US Air Force. He has taught strategy and military operations at the National War College, Air War College and Naval War College.] The pieces are moving. They'll be in place by the end of February. The United States will be able to escalate military operations against Iran. The second carrier strike group leaves the U.S. West Coast on January 16. It will be joined by naval mine clearing assets from both the United States and the UK. Patriot missile defense systems have also been ordered to deploy to the Gulf. Maybe as a guard against North Korea seeing operations focused on Iran as a chance to be aggressive, a squadron of F-117 stealth fighters has just been deployed to Korea. This has to be called escalation. We have to remind ourselves, just as Iran is supporting groups inside Iraq, the United States is supporting groups inside Iran. Just as Iran has special operations troops operating inside Iraq, we've read the United States has special operations troops operating inside Iran. Just as Iran is supporting Hamas, two weeks ago we found out the United States is supporting arms for Abbas. Just as Iran and Syria are supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon were now learning the White House has approved a finding to allow the CIA to support opposition groups inside Lebanon. Just as Iran is supporting Syria, we've learned recently that the United States is going to fund Syrian opposition groups. We learned this week the President authorized an attack on the Iranian liaison office in Irbil. The White House keeps saying there are no plans to attack Iran. Obviously, the facts suggest otherwise. Equally as clear, the Iranians will read what the Administrations is doing not what it is saying. It is possible the White House strategy is just implementing a strategy to put pressure on Iran on a number of fronts, and this will never amount to anything. On the other hand, if the White House is on a path to strike Iran, well see a few more steps unfold. First, we know there is a National Security Council staff-led group whose mission is to create outrage in the world against Iran. Just like before Gulf II, this media group will begin to release stories to sell a strike against Iran. Watch for the outrage stuff. The Patriot missiles going to the GCC states are only part of the missile defense assets. I would expect to see the deployment of some of the European-based missile defense assets to Israel, just as they were before Gulf II. I would expect deployment of additional USAF fighters into the bases in Iraq, maybe some into Afghanistan. I think we will read about the deployment of some of the newly arriving Army brigades going into Iraq being deployed to the border with Iran. Their mission will be to guard against any Iranian movements into Iraq. As one of the last steps before a strike, well see USAF tankers moved to unusual places, like Bulgaria. These will be used to refuel the US-based B-2 bombers on their strike missions into Iran. When that happens, well only be days away from a strike. The White House could be telling the truth. Maybe there are no plans to take Iran to the next level. The fuel for a fire is in place, however. All we need is a spark. The danger is that we have created conditions that could lead to a Greater Middle East War. For more information visit: http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/1224-Sanctions.html - Fair Use Notice This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. (See: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.) If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers
Hey Malcolm I just spent a half hour watching a bunch of videos associated with your url. Very funny stuff except for the thought their vote counts as much as ours. Has to be seen to be believed. Kirk malcolm maclure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey D, you missed something out there when you talk about apathy / sleeping, that's stupidity! (Not that I would apply that to all in the US certainly not those on this list, so no offence intended guys!!) But the link below is a testament to the successful job a succession of US governments have made to keep the majority of US citizens dumbed down therefore more controllable, yes before anyone jumps down my throat we have 'em here in the UK too! We call them Chavs, lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY8u54jFubM Peace indeed god help us...whoever he is Regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Mindock Sent: 22 January 2007 20:01 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers Hi Mike, I am just outside MO, 15 miles east of St Louis. Yep, if people aren't worried about the way this country is transforming into corporatism/fascism , they are either asleep/apathetic or have given up all hope. We do have the ability to reverse the trend. Stop shopping, avoid prescript drugs/vaccinations, eat organic, do demos, sickouts, slowdowns, marches, keep your kids out of the military, etc. Do not feed the beast. Peace, D. Mindock Doug, pause the film and write down the various documentation provided to substantiate Russo's claims, then check them out for yourself. Or, even easier, Google National I.D. Card or Real ID Act. Things change dramatically in Amerika in May, 2008, Doug. Things change dramatically. After you have checked this out for yourself, please write back. I'd like to hear what you think then. D and Jason are in Missouri, you're in Kansas. I live in Lawrence. Perhaps what is coming will give us all cause to cross paths. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Doug Younker To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers The problem I have with films such is this is that the information flows by so fast, and without being provided a transcript one can't really study the issue, perhaps that's by design? I have long understood it's mostly about the wealth* and who is able to accumulate it, but that's been the case ever since humans banded into tribes hasn't? I do believe they are vastly overstating the capabilities of RFID. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. *IMO wealth is the better term to use, as there are many things other than money supply that can be use to extort the populace. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 6 stroke motor
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Re: [Biofuel] 6 stroke motor
Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/302270007/1023/THISWEEKSISSUE Bruce Crower is about as credible as they come. He's not the only person to have thought of this, but if he can make it work, I'm sure it DOES work! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
