[Biofuel] Being Australian
MAATE! Being Australian is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. Only in Australia ... do people order double cheese-burgers, large Fries and a DIET coke. Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open and chain the Pens to the counters. Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars on the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage. Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in the first place. Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking places in front of a skating rink. NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their tongue. 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins From new shirts. 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of screwdrivers. 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in. 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth. A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in the last two years after opening bottles of beer with their Teeth. And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their skull whilst throwing up into the toilet. IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON! HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Blood of the Earth: Dilip Hiro on the Battle for the World's Vanishing Oil Resources
Keith, Thanks for this article, it is a great description of the oil problems that the world is facing today, the development of alternative fuels is so necessary to the lifeline of the human race. A. Griffith Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/31/1543222 Democracy Now! | Wednesday, January 31st, 2007 Blood of the Earth: Dilip Hiro on the Battle for the World's Vanishing Oil Resources In his new book, veteran Middle East Journalist Dilip Hiro offers a detailed account of how and why the planet's limited supply of oil has come to revolutionize human behavior, politics and warfare across the globe. He joins us for a wide-ranging interview. [includes rush transcript] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Don't worry England will look after you
John Cleese's Letter to America To the citizens of the United States of America In light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. Her Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except Kansas , which she does not fancy), as from Monday next. Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint a governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect: 1. You should look up revocation in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. 2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour', 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ize will be replaced by the suffix ise. 3. You will learn that the suffix 'burgh' is pronounced 'burra'; you may elect to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you find you simply can't cope with correct pronunciation. 4. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels (look up vocabulary). Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as like and you know is unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. 5.There is no such thing asUS English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of -ize. 6. You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save The Queen, but only after fully carrying out Task #1 (see above). 7. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. November 2nd will be a new national holiday, but to be celebrated only in England . It will be called Come-Uppance Day. 8. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun. 9. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public. 10. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. 11. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric immediately and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour. 12. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) - roughly $6/US gallon. Get used to it. 13. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with mayonnaise but with vinegar. 14. Waiters and waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers. 15. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion. 16. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie MacDowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater. 17. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, will be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies). 18. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study
Yeah, they've been profiting for years from their actions that promote global warming, so one years worth profits is really a very small amount to ask for. Not to mention that their lobbying efforts have resulted in much greater emissions of carbon that just the oil they've sold, by reducing awareness and political motivation to do anything in the most polluting country in the world. I'm afraid that the only fair thing to ask is that they dissolve the company completely and reduce the CEO and cronies to begging for change in the inner city streets of Flint Michigan. Or better yet, coastal Bangladesh. But, it is fair to put such a burden on the people of Bangladesh to support the Exxon executives as beggars, when they are already feeling the effects of global warming? That's the real question of fairness here. Z Anyway, why not up the price to the total cost of damage caused and yet to be caused by all carbon emissions associated with ExxonMobil since, when, since James Hansen's climate change speech to the US Congress in 1988? Hey, isn't capitalism wonderful. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc
Now these are neat! I think I've just added something to the renovation plans for my house. Onsite indoor air quality improvement, not to mention all the other benefits of having plants around instead of all man-made surfaces. Z On 2/2/07, fujee01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this link is better http://www.eltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html -- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=45083/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Being Australian
I donno, Leo, This sounds exactly like Canada Jesse --- leo bunyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAATE! Being Australian is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. Only in Australia ... do people order double cheese-burgers, large Fries and a DIET coke. Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open and chain the Pens to the counters. Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars on the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage. Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in the first place. Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking places in front of a skating rink. NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their tongue. 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins From new shirts. 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of screwdrivers. 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in. 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth. A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in the last two years after opening bottles of beer with their Teeth. And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their skull whilst throwing up into the toilet. IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON! HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc
i like the idea, but i dont favor the design. i would think that to get the soil packed down hard enough to keep it in place would damage the quality of it. is there some detail ive missed, such as a lid or something? - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc Now these are neat! I think I've just added something to the renovation plans for my house. Onsite indoor air quality improvement, not to mention all the other benefits of having plants around instead of all man-made surfaces. Z On 2/2/07, fujee01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this link is better http://www.eltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.21/665 - Release Date: 2/2/2007 11:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.21/665 - Release Date: 2/2/2007 11:39 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc
From their pictures it looks like it's actually lots of little backwards tilting shelfs with soil on them. No different than a pot really, except that there are lots of them mounted above each other. And then there is some sort of watering system built into that. Z On 2/3/07, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like the idea, but i dont favor the design. i would think that to get the soil packed down hard enough to keep it in place would damage the quality of it. is there some detail ive missed, such as a lid or something? - Original Message - *From:* Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc Now these are neat! I think I've just added something to the renovation plans for my house. Onsite indoor air quality improvement, not to mention all the other benefits of having plants around instead of all man-made surfaces. Z On 2/2/07, fujee01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this link is better http://www.eltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html http://www.eltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html+ -- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=45083/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.21/665 - Release Date: 2/2/2007 11:39 PM --_NextPart_000_03DE_01C74782.70B59F20-- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.21/665 - Release Date: 2/2/2007 11:39 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Being Australian
Sounds like the US to me Z On 2/3/07, Jesse Frayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I donno, Leo, This sounds exactly like Canada Jesse --- leo bunyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAATE! Being Australian is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. Only in Australia ... do people order double cheese-burgers, large Fries and a DIET coke. Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open and chain the Pens to the counters. Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars on the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage. Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in the first place. Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking places in front of a skating rink. NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their tongue. 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins From new shirts. 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of screwdrivers. 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in. 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth. A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in the last two years after opening bottles of beer with their Teeth. And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their skull whilst throwing up into the toilet. IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON! HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
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Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc
This idea might be quite easy to adapt. http://journeytoforever.org/edu_cardboard.html#column Growing columns Instead of cardboard I think 3/8 wire screen (I think you call it hardware cloth in the US) will hold soil vertical, if it's rich well-composted soil, especially if you cover it with some sort of mulch. Best Keith i like the idea, but i dont favor the design. i would think that to get the soil packed down hard enough to keep it in place would damage the quality of it. is there some detail ive missed, such as a lid or something? - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Zeke Yewdall To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc Now these are neat! I think I've just added something to the renovation plans for my house. Onsite indoor air quality improvement, not to mention all the other benefits of having plants around instead of all man-made surfaces. Z On 2/2/07, fujee01 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this link is better http://www.eltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html http://www.e ltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html Everyone is raving about http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=45083/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com /mailbetathe all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study
US20.00 to back off the Biofuels bandwagon. Keith Addison wrote: :-) I think we've about got it right now. Best Keith Yeah, they#39;ve been profiting for years from their actions that promote global warming, so one years worth profits is really a very small amount to ask for. Not to mention that their lobbying efforts have resulted in much greater emissions of carbon that just the oil they#39;ve sold, by reducing awareness and political motivation to do anything in the most polluting country in the world. I#39;m afraid that the only fair thing to ask is that they dissolve the company completely and reduce the CEO and cronies to begging for change in the inner city streets of Flint Michigan. Or better yet, coastal Bangladesh. But, it is fair to put such a burden on the people of Bangladesh to support the Exxon executives as beggars, when they are already feeling the effects of global warming? That#39;s the real question of fairness here. Z Anyway, why not up the price to the total cost of damage caused and yet to be caused by all carbon emissions associated with ExxonMobil since, when, since James Hansen#39;s climate change speech to the US Congress in 1988? Hey, isn#39;t capitalism wonderful. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Blood of the Earth: Dilip Hiro on the Battle for the World's Vanishing Oil Resources
Keith, Thanks for this article, it is a great description of the oil problems that the world is facing today, the development of alternative fuels is so necessary to the lifeline of the human race. A. Griffith You're welcome A.G., glad you liked it. Dilip Hiro's been writing about this stuff for a long time, I first encountered him in 1978. Alternative fuels, yes, and an alternative outlook to go with them, such as use less and use it better. Best Keith Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/31/1543222 Democracy Now! | Wednesday, January 31st, 2007 Blood of the Earth: Dilip Hiro on the Battle for the World's Vanishing Oil Resources In his new book, veteran Middle East Journalist Dilip Hiro offers a detailed account of how and why the planet's limited supply of oil has come to revolutionize human behavior, politics and warfare across the globe. He joins us for a wide-ranging interview. [includes rush transcript] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Being Australian
Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open and chain the Pens to the counters. Or my favorite here in the states - having Braille at the drive up windows for the ATM Zeke Yewdall wrote: Sounds like the US to me Z On 2/3/07, *Jesse Frayne* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I donno, Leo, This sounds exactly like Canada Jesse --- leo bunyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAATE! Being Australian is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. Only in Australia ... do people order double cheese-burgers, large Fries and a DIET coke. Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open and chain the Pens to the counters. Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars on the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage. Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in the first place. Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking places in front of a skating rink. NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their tongue. 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins From new shirts. 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of screwdrivers. 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in. 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth. A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in the last two years after opening bottles of beer with their Teeth. And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their skull whilst throwing up into the toilet. IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON! HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]
Interesting cross post from gasification. Original Message Subject:Re: [Strawbale] Global warming Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600 From: David Neeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: SB REPP [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all. A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an approaching ice age. Now, the existence of global warming prompts scientists to attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question the current cant--that of course we have global warming and of course we humans are contributing to it. Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed. There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have existed since long before humans were around at all. Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides. Some areas are warming while others have record snows (as in Anchorage at the moment). Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have another one. Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological terms. To assert that whose who question global warming have a financial or personal interest in the status quo, though, is the height of arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth and the consequences it may present to me and my family. In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that everyone believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious person can or should question. That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined to more closely fit the observed facts. So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your particular orthodoxy of the moment might be. David On 2/3/07, Ron Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional interest in the status quo. ___ Strawbale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/strawbale_listserv.repp.org ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Don't worry England will look after you
***13. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French** ** fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato** ** chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in** ** animal fat, and dressed not with mayonnaise but with vinegar. *This part was meant for Belgium. We use ketchup. **20. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her** ** Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the ** **acquisition of all monies due backdated to 1776. *Isn't this Inland Revenue? -The Colonies ** *** leo bunyan wrote: **John Cleese's Letter to America*** ** ** **To the citizens of the United States of America** ** ** **In light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA** **and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation** **of your independence, effective immediately.** ** ** **Her Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume monarchical** **duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except ** **Kansas , which she does not fancy), as from Monday next.** ** ** **Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint a governor for** **America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate** **will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine** **whether any of you noticed.** ** ** **To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the** **following rules are introduced with immediate effect:** ** ** **1. You should look up revocation in the Oxford English Dictionary.** ** ** **Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. ** **You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been** **pronouncing it.** ** ** **2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour',** ** 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut'** **without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ize will be replaced by** **the suffix ise.** ** ** **3. You will learn that the suffix 'burgh' is pronounced 'burra';** ** you may elect to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you find you simply** ** can't cope with correct pronunciation.** ** ** **4. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to** ** acceptable levels (look up vocabulary). Using the same ** ** twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as like** **and you know is unacceptable and *** **inefficient form of communication.*** ** ** **5.There is no such thing as US English. We will let Microsoft** ** know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take** ** account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of -ize.** ** ** **6. You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save The** ** Queen, but only after fully carrying out Task #1 (see above).** ** ** **7. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. November 2nd** ** will be a new national holiday, but to be celebrated only in** ** England . It will be called Come-Uppance Day.** ** ** **8. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns,** ** lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and** ** therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. ** **Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough ** **to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist ** **then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.** ** ** **9. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry** ** anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be ** **required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.** ** ** **10. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is** ** for your own good. When we show you German cars, you** ** will understand what we mean.** ** ** **11. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you** ** will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time,** ** you will go metric immediately and without the benefit of conversion** ** tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the** ** British sense of humour.** ** ** **12. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have** ** been calling gasoline) - roughly $6/US gallon. Get used to it.** ** ** **13. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French** ** fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato** ** chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in** ** animal fat, and dressed not with mayonnaise but with vinegar.** ** ** **14. Waiters and waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive** ** with customers.** ** ** **15. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not** ** actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be** ** referred to as beer, and European brews of known and
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]
To assert that whose who question global warming have a financial or personal interest in the status quo, though, is the height of arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth and the consequences it may present to me and my family. I guess that he doesn't buy fossil fuel generated electricity for his house, doesn't drive a car, doesn't shop in any stores that sell goods produced in factories, or transported to the store, doesn't heat his house with carbon producing fuels, doesn't eat food produced on factory farms, or transported to his house via vehicle. Good for him that he has such a lifestyle that doesn't produce any carbon emissions. On 2/3/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting cross post from gasification. Original Message Subject:Re: [Strawbale] Global warming Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600 From: David Neeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: SB REPP [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all. A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an approaching ice age. Now, the existence of global warming prompts scientists to attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question the current cant--that of course we have global warming and of course we humans are contributing to it. Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed. There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have existed since long before humans were around at all. Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides. Some areas are warming while others have record snows (as in Anchorage at the moment). Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have another one. Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological terms. To assert that whose who question global warming have a financial or personal interest in the status quo, though, is the height of arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth and the consequences it may present to me and my family. In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that everyone believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious person can or should question. That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined to more closely fit the observed facts. So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your particular orthodoxy of the moment might be. David On 2/3/07, Ron Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional interest in the status quo. ___ Strawbale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/strawbale_listserv.repp.org ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]
StuffNonsense, Yewdall. -Exxon Zeke Yewdall wrote: To assert that whose who question global warming have a financial or personal interest in the status quo, though, is the height of arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth and the consequences it may present to me and my family. I guess that he doesn't buy fossil fuel generated electricity for his house, doesn't drive a car, doesn't shop in any stores that sell goods produced in factories, or transported to the store, doesn't heat his house with carbon producing fuels, doesn't eat food produced on factory farms, or transported to his house via vehicle. Good for him that he has such a lifestyle that doesn't produce any carbon emissions. On 2/3/07, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting cross post from gasification. Original Message Subject:Re: [Strawbale] Global warming Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600 From: David Neeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: SB REPP [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all. A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an approaching ice age. Now, the existence of global warming prompts scientists to attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question the current cant--that of course we have global warming and of course we humans are contributing to it. Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed. There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have existed since long before humans were around at all. Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides. Some areas are warming while others have record snows (as in Anchorage at the moment). Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have another one. Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological terms. To assert that whose who question global warming have a financial or personal interest in the status quo, though, is the height of arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth and the consequences it may present to me and my family. In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that everyone believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious person can or should question. That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined to more closely fit the observed facts. So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your particular orthodoxy of the moment might be. David On 2/3/07, Ron Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional interest in the status quo. ___ Strawbale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/strawbale_listserv.repp.org ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Being Australian
Jesse Zeke I think it's a symptom of the developed countries Nobody seems to have the monopoly on stupidity in the western world Leo Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the US to me Z On 2/3/07, Jesse Frayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I donno, Leo, This sounds exactly like Canada Jesse --- leo bunyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAATE! Being Australian is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. Only in Australia ... do people order double cheese-burgers, large Fries and a DIET coke. Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open and chain the Pens to the counters. Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars on the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage. Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in the first place. Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking places in front of a skating rink. NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their tongue. 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins From new shirts. 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of screwdrivers. 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in. 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth. A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in the last two years after opening bottles of beer with their Teeth. And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their skull whilst throwing up into the toilet. IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON! HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]
Interesting cross post from gasification. Oh come on Weaver, we've scotched this brand of BS here so many times before. what's interesting about it??? Keith Original Message Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600 From: David Neeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Ron Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC:SB REPP [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all. A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an approaching ice age. Now, the existence of global warming prompts scientists to attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question the current cant--that of course we have global warming and of course we humans are contributing to it. Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed. There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have existed since long before humans were around at all. Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides. Some areas are warming while others have record snows (as in Anchorage at the moment). Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have another one. Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological terms. To assert that whose who question global warming have a financial or personal interest in the status quo, though, is the height of arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth and the consequences it may present to me and my family. In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that everyone believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious person can or should question. That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined to more closely fit the observed facts. So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your particular orthodoxy of the moment might be. David On 2/3/07, Ron Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional interest in the status quo. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Don't worry England will look after you
Far out the Queen doesn't fancy Kansas. I can still have my beer cold, then. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
