Re: [Biofuel] man pays $520 electric bill in pennies

2007-03-14 Thread Doug Younker
I suspect  Ameren CIPS will be instituting a policy, where they will not 
accept cash payments in cash,  below a certain denomination.  I recall a 
case where it was revealed while US coins are legal tender, for amounts 
less than a dollar, but I can't find a reference to it.

In regards to nationalization.  I suspect that those who now are reaping 
the profits, will be the ones reaping the profit, after any nationalization.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.


Kirk McLoren wrote:
 necessities of life shouldnt be available to exploitation by piggish folks-
 like the electricity corporations and natural gas.
 Nationalize oil!
 Kirk
  


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[Biofuel] New political metaphors

2007-03-14 Thread Dawie Coetzee
I think most of us will agree that the terms 'left' and 'right' are fast losing 
their relevence in the political sense. Many of us will optimistically try to 
deny that there is any new dichotomy in its place. I have been aware of such a 
dichotomy for over a decade, and I submit that it is real, that it is definite, 
and that it has a rock-face that, when reached, will not be susceptible to any 
post-modern 'both-and' notion. Soon, people will have to choose, and their 
choices will have implications, possibly tragic ones, possibly heroic ones.

Might I suggest two new political terms: 'permacultural' and 'hydroponic'? The 
world is increasingly moving to the latter approach: systems are simplified so 
that they may be tightly monitored by government agencies and strictly 
controlled by legislation. To this end oligopolies are nurtured and renegade 
human creativity stifled, co-opted, or restricted to superficial irrelevancies. 
People are reduced to passive 'pure consumers'. The attitude seems to be that 
the environment is too important to allow people near it. Thus we find the 
world becoming in a sense 'indoor', a controlled environment. One gets the 
impression that all of Europe is turning into a single big Victorian 
drawing-room.

Many would disagree with this approach, and there is an old tradition that 
answers well to the term 'permacultural'. It runs through a number of writers: 
Fritz Schumacher springs immediately to mind, but there are others. The aim is 
rather to build systems that have an intrinsic propensity to produce what is 
desirable, and then to leave them to get on with it. It is an approach that can 
accommodate a lot of exceptional behaviours, and it thrives on renegade 
creativity. It is however much more likely to run up against vested interests, 
be they political or economic, and therefore cannot really thrive inside a 
'hydroponic' system.

Many of the differences of opinion that have arisen from time to time in this 
group can be understood in the above terms. Try it.

What say you?

-Dawie



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[Biofuel] Fwd: Re: [LittleHouses] Bioconversion of Putrescent Wastes

2007-03-14 Thread Kirk McLoren
crosspost
  
http://www.esrla.com/brazil/frame.htm
   
  interesting
  Kirk

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From: Cynthia Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [LittleHouses] Bioconversion of Putrescent Wastes

Thank you for an excellent article!

I'd like to know what Dr. Olivier et al might have
done
with large commercial and industrial use of these
units.

How do they work with medical wastes such as hospitals
and nursing homes?

How have they worked at malls,theme parks,concert or
sports arenas,livestock areas and the like?

My hometown hosts horse shows year round.

We get quite a few biting flies and mosquitoes,tons
of food waste and a large amount of used stable
dressing.

It sounds as if these units could be incorporated into
the general design for a nominal cost and decrease 
waste disposal,pests,disease,odor,etc. a great deal.

Other measures of reducing waste and recycling could
be implemented much more easily to manage the rest of
the impact of having so many people and animals in
attendance for such extensive periods.

This wouldn't even count the synergy of incorporating
traditional composting and using the flies and the 
food residue to grow plants and feed fish and poultry.

This would be an 'invisible',toxin-free way of making
our most inefficient and unpleasant areas a boon
rather
than a bane to our environment.


--- David Neeley wrote:

 Please pardon the cross-posting, but I think this
 would interest both
 of these lists.
 
 For those who live in a rural location who want to
 get away from waste
 disposal problems, there is a fascinating
 presentation with the name I
 put in the subject line at the ESRLA site. This is
 by Dr. Paul
 Olivier, the same gentleman who published about
 using bagasse (sugar
 cane waste) and rice hulls in construction.
 
 His development uses black soldier fly larvae
 (benign to humans) to
 consume putrescent wastes--food residue and both
 human and animal
 waste. In the process, the volume is reduced by 95%.
 In short, a
 two-foot unit resembling a plastic trash can would
 consume the wastes
 of a typical family of four for two to three years
 before having to be
 emptied--without problems of disease or foul smell,
 as it happens.
 
 One of the pages of the presentation also shows how
 a urine-diverting
 toilet could be incorporated into the top of one of
 these units.
 
 I corresponded with Dr. Olivier several years ago,
 and he was going
 into production with the small plastic version at a
 plant in Asia. He
 also designed very low-cost concrete versions of the
 device and makes
 molds that he sells in Latin America and elsewhere.
 
 I find the concept fascinating--and once I settle
 down again somewhere
 I plan to look into trying one out. Tony Adrian says
 he has an early
 prototype of this unit, which is too large for his
 family.
 
 Anyway, enjoy! 
 http://www.esrla.com/brazil/frame.htm
 
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[Biofuel] Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu crisis

2007-03-14 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.grain.org/briefings/?id=194
GRAIN | Briefings | 2006 |

Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu crisis

GRAIN | February 2006

Read the press release (Feb 2006)

Read GRAINs letter about bird flu to the FAO (Feb 2006)

Backyard or free-range poultry are not fuelling the current wave of 
bird flu outbreaks stalking large parts of the world. The deadly H5N1 
strain of bird flu is essentially a problem of industrial poultry 
practices. Its epicentre is the factory farms of China and Southeast 
Asia and -- while wild birds can carry the disease, at least for 
short distances -- its main vector is the highly self-regulated 
transnational poultry industry, which sends the products and waste of 
its farms around the world through a multitude of channels. Yet small 
poultry farmers and the poultry biodiversity and local food security 
that they sustain are suffering badly from the fall-out. To make 
matters worse, governments and international agencies, following 
mistaken assumptions about how the disease spreads and amplifies, are 
pursuing measures to force poultry indoors and further industrialise 
the poultry sector. In practice, this means the end of the 
small-scale poultry farming that provides food and livelihoods to 
hundreds of millions of families across the world. This paper 
presents a fresh perspective on the bird flu story that challenges 
current assumptions and puts the focus back where it should be: on 
the transnational poultry industry.

Men in white rubber suits and gas masks chasing down chickens in 
rural villages... Chickens sold and slaughtered in live markets... 
Wild birds flying across the sky... These are the typical images 
broadcast by the media in its coverage of the bird flu epidemic. Rare 
are photos of the booming transnational poultry industry. There are 
no shots of its factory farms hit by the virus, and no images of its 
overcrowded trucks transporting live chickens or its feed mills 
converting poultry byproducts into chicken feed.

The selection of images sends a clear message: bird flu is a problem 
of wild birds and backwards poultry practices, not modern industry. 
In this way, the most fundamental piece of information needed to 
understand the recent avian influenza outbreaks gets left out of the 
picture.

Bird flu is really nothing new. It has co-existed rather peacefully 
with wild birds, small-scale poultry farming and live markets for 
centuries. But the wave of highly-pathogenic strains of bird flu that 
have decimated poultry and killed people across the planet over the 
past ten years is unprecedented -- as is today's transnational 
poultry industry.

 

Chicken concentrate

The transformation of poultry production in Asia in recent decades is 
staggering. In the Southeast Asian countries where most of the bird 
flu outbreaks are concentrated -- Thailand, Indonesia, and Viet Nam 
-- production jumped eightfold in just 30 years, from around 300,000 
metric tonnes (mt) of chicken meat in 1971 to 2,440,000 mt in 2001. 
China's production of chicken tripled during the 1990s to over 9 
million mt per year. Practically all of this new poultry production 
has happened on factory farms concentrated outside of major cities 
and integrated into transnational production systems.[1] This is the 
ideal breeding ground for highly-pathogenic bird flu -- like the H5N1 
strain threatening to explode into a human flu pandemic.[2]

Nevertheless, the many papers, statements and strategy documents 
coming out of the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation 
(FAO), World Health Organisation (WHO) and relevant government 
agencies contain barely a whisper about the implications of 
industrial poultry in the bird flu crisis. Instead, fingers are 
pointed at backyard farms, with calls for tighter controls on their 
operations and greater restructuring of the poultry sector. The big 
poultry corporations are even trying to use the bird flu outbreaks as 
an opportunity to do away with what is left of small-scale poultry 
production.[3] We cannot control migratory birds but we can surely 
work hard to close down as many backyard farms as possible, said 
Margaret Say, Southeast Asian director for the USA Poultry and Egg 
Export Council.

The reactions from some scientists are no less outrageous. 
Researchers in the UK are pursuing transgenic bird flu-resistant 
chickens. Once we have regulatory approval, we believe it will only 
take between four and five years to breed enough chickens to replace 
the entire world population, said Laurence Tiley, Professor of 
Molecular Virology at Cambridge University.[4]

Backyard farming is not an idle pastime for landowners. It is the 
crux of food security and farming income for hundreds of millions of 
rural poor in Asia and elsewhere, providing a third of the protein 
intake for the average rural household.[5] Nearly all rural 
households in Asia keep at least a few chickens for meat, eggs and 
even 

[Biofuel] Fowl play - Updated references

2007-03-14 Thread Keith Addison
Updated references

Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu crisis

GRAIN | February 2006

References

[1] Hans Wagner, FAO-RAP, Protecting the environment from the impact 
of the growing industrialization of livestock production in East 
Asia, APHCA 26th Session, Subang Jaya, Malaysia, 24-26 August 2002

[2] H5N1 is an avian influenza virus subtype, the one that is 
currently at the centre of fears of a human pandemic.

[3] Isabelle Delforge, The flu that made agribusiness stronger, 
Focus on the Global South, Bangkok, 4 July 2004: 
http://www.focusweb.org/the-flu-that-made-agribusiness-stronger-3.html

[4] Mark Henderson, Scientists aim to beat flu with genetically 
modified chickens, The Times, London, 29 October 2005: 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25149-1847760,00.html

[5] A. Permin and M. Bisgaard, The Scope and Effect of Family 
Poultry Research and Development: A general review on some important 
diseases in free-range chickens, Lead paper for the INFPD 
E-Conference

[6] FAO, In Praise of Family Poultry, Agriculture 21, Rome, March 
2002: http://www.fao.org/ag/magazine/0203sp1.htm and website for the 
International Network for Family Poultry Development: 
http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/subjects/en/infpd/home.html

[7] Tran Dinh Thanh Lam, Bird Flu Strategy Will Hit Poultry 
Farmers, IPS, Ho Chi Minh City, 15 November 2005
http://domino.ips.org/ips%5Ceng.nsf/vwWebMainView/9190FA02797E3832C125 
70BA0022F907/?OpenDocument

[8] A McLeod, N Morgan, A Prakash and J Hinrichs, Economic and 
Social Impacts of Avian Influenza FAO, Rome, November 2005 ;
http://www.fao.org/ag/AGAinfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/cd/documents/Economic-and-social-impacts-of-avian-influenza-Geneva.pdf
Chanida Chanyapate and Isabelle Delforge, The politics of bird flu 
in Thailand, Focus on the Global South, Bangkok, 20 April 2004: 
http://www.focusweb.org/the-politics-of-bird-flu-in-thailand-4.html

[9] Elisabeth Rosenthal, Bird flu threat takes away chickens' free 
range, International Herald Tribune, 9 December 2005.

10] A Stegemen et al., Avian influenza A virus (H7N7) epidemic in 
the Netherlands in 2003: Course of the epidemic and effectiveness of 
control measures, Journal of Infectious Diseases, 2004, 
190:2088-2095;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=pubmedd 
opt=Abstractlist_uids=15551206
ME Thomas et al, Risk factors for the introduction of high 
pathogenicity Avian Influenza virus into poultry farms during the 
epidemic in the Netherlands in 2003, Preventative Veterinary 
Medicine, 2005, 69:1-11
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheNcpsidt=16807501

[11] A. McLeod, N. Morgan, A. Prakash, and J. Hinrichs, Economic and 
Social Impacts of Avian Influenza FAO, November 2005

[12] After testing more than 13,000 wild birds in marshes within bird 
flu infested provinces in China, scientists identified only six 
highly pathogenic bird flu viruses in six ducks. The overall 
conclusion of the study: Transmission within poultry is the major 
mechanism for sustaining H5N1 virus endemicity in this region. H 
Chen et al., Establishment of multiple sublineages of H5N1 influenza 
virus in Asia: Implications for pandemic control, PNAS early 
edition, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, 
Washington DC, 10 February 2006: 
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.0511120103

[13] FAO and OIE, in collaboration with WHO, A Global Strategy for 
the Progressive Control of Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza (HPAI), 
November 2005

[14] BirdLife International, Wild birds 'victims not vectors', 
Cambridge, 8 December 2005: 
http://www.birdlife.org/news/news/2005/12/flu_migration.html ; FAO, 
Fish feed formulation and Production; A report prepared for the 
project Fisheries Development in Qinghai Province, Rome, November 
1990: http://www.fao.org/docrep/field/003/U4173E/U4173E00.htm .

[15] Melville, D and K Shortridge Reflection and Reaction, The 
Lancet Infectious Diseases, Vol 4, 2004, pp 261-262.

[16] BirdLIfe International, Are high risk farming practices 
spreading avian flu?, press release, Cambdridge, 18 January 2006: 
http://www.birdlife.org/news/news/2006/01/flu_agriculture.html

[17] Id, op cit (note 14).

[18] Suarez DL, Senne DA, Banks J, Brown IH, Essen SC, Lee C-W, et 
al, Recombination resulting in virulence shift in avian influenza 
outbreak, Chile, Emerging Infectious Diseases, April 2004:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol10no4/pdfs/03-0396.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol10no4/03-0396.htm
DL Suarez, Evolution of avian influenza viruses, Veterinary 
Microbiology, 22 May 2000, 74(1-2):15-27;
See:
Evolution of avian influenza
Toshihiro Ito et al, Generation of a Highly Pathogenic Avian 
Influenza A Virus from an A-virulent Field Isolate by Passaging in 
Chickens, Journal of Virology, May 2001, 75(9): 4439-4443.
http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/75/9/4439.pdf
See:
Generation of a Highly Pathogen

[19] FAO and OIE, in collaboration with WHO, 

[Biofuel] The top-down global response to bird flu

2007-03-14 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=12
GRAIN | Against the grain | 2006 |

The top-down global response to bird flu

GRAIN | April 2006

We live in poverty, without any basic facilities and no one coming 
to enquire about our problems. All of a sudden all the television 
crew, media persons and doctors wearing surgical masks are roaming 
our dirt roads to collect more statistics. Our chickens were our only 
source of income and now they have destroyed even that. Is this what 
is called governance?

-- Ganesh Sonar, small farmer, Navapur, Maharashtra, India1

[READ Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu 
crisis by GRAIN, February 2006]

[We have also compiled a bird flu resource page with relevant 
publications, articles and links - www.grain.org/go/birdflu]

On 17 February 2006, the Egyptian government confirmed that bird flu 
had broken out in the nation's poultry. With the international 
spotlight beaming upon it, the government did not want to look 
unprepared or, worse, at fault. So it immediately responded by 
blaming migratory birds and traditional poultry practices. The world 
is moving towards big farms because they can be controlled under 
veterinarian supervisionŠ The time has come to get rid of the idea of 
breeding chickens on the roofs of houses, said Egypt's Prime 
Minister Ahmed Nazif.2

Then the Egyptian government swung into action with a military-style 
cleansing operation. It ordered the culling of all backyard and 
rooftop poultry and banned live bird markets, where 80% of the 
nation's poultry is sold. Farmers were promised compensation and 
vendors were promised refrigerators, so they could switch to selling 
frozen chicken, but neither materialised.3 Meanwhile, the government 
banned the transport of live poultry and ordered that all 
slaughtering must take place in official slaughterhouses, leaving 
farmers not located near the few official slaughterhouses with no way 
to slaughter their chickens.4

In less than a month, the Egyptian government effectively destroyed 
its multi-billion dollar poultry industry, the livelihoods of 
millions of Egyptians and its ancient poultry practices and 
biodiversity. The government is now easing restrictions on imports of 
frozen meat to make up for domestic shortfalls and importing chicks 
from the US and Europe to restock its commercial farms.5

The response from the Egyptian government was not only insensitive to 
the importance of poultry for its people, it was misinformed. Yes, 
some backyard and rooftop flocks have been infected, but far more 
birds are dying from bird flu in factory farms. Plus, extensive 
testing of live migratory birds since 2004 did not report cases of 
bird flu.6 Although official veterinarian reports single out backyard 
flocks, the website of the Egyptian government clearly lists initial 
outbreaks at three factory farms where nearly 70,000 birds were 
culled, followed by further outbreaks on large factory farms in the 
regions of Ashmoun, Al-Marg, Giza Badrashaan and Damietta, as well as 
the culling of 77,000 birds at two farms near the desert city of 
Belbeis and 30,000 birds in nearby New Salhia where one of Egypt's 
largest poultry companies has its farms.7 The industry estimates that 
50% of the commercial farms in the country have been infected and 
that over 25 million chickens have been slaughtered.8

Power politics at play

The response from the Egyptian government is sadly typical of what is 
happening around the world. Today's power politics ensure that the 
consequences for the poor get completely overshadowed by theoretical 
concerns over a possible human pandemic.

In India, for example, the government was badly prepared when bird 
flu broke out in the state of Maharashtra in March 2006. As in Egypt, 
the explosion of media interest propelled the government into action. 
Although the source of the outbreak was known to be from the area's 
major hatchery and although common sense would dictate that the 
proper response would be to follow the channels of transmission 
leading from there, the government imposed an indiscriminate cull in 
a 10 km radius around the infected sites following World Health 
Organisation (WHO) guidelines.9 Similar culls were repeated in one of 
the poorest districts of the state when a small number of samples 
collected from various villages came back positive. Within that 
district, complete culls occurred over an area of 1,500 square km, 
involving more than 300,000 birds and over 300 villages.10 The state 
did provide some compensation to the affected farmers, but the 
US$0.88 given per bird was far below the value of a village chicken, 
which typically sells for three times the price of a factory chicken 
and produces eggs worth four times the price of industrial eggs.11 
Needless to say, the government has no plans for replenishing the 
invaluable poultry biodiversity that it destroyed and there is even 
talk of new state regulations to ban backyard 

Re: [Biofuel] New political metaphors

2007-03-14 Thread MK DuPree
Works for me, Dawie...unfortunately the hydroponic mind, having been 
carefully crafted and nurtured over the years, when presented with your new 
terminology, will not be able to understand words with more than one syllable 
and will probably think it is being presented with some kind of sexual politics 
that has as its' choices polygamy on one side and homosexuality on the other.  
I'm not exactly sure why, except that my observation of the hydroponic mind 
is that it tends to reduce to the sexual anything it can't or refuses to 
understand.  I'm also not saying there is necessarily anything wrong with 
either of the two orientations that I am suggesting the hydroponic mind will 
conceive.  What I'm saying is that when it comes to politics it takes an honest 
analysis of the political landscape to survive, so if we are going to adopt 
these words, we have to be prepared for the potential meanings the hydroponic 
mind will unnaturally evolve, ie it's a really screwed up world in which we 
live, the left and right having totally morphed into twisted configurations of 
their true selves, and real advances in any area of life are usually made when 
we KISS...Keep It Simple, Stupid.  No, I'm not saying you are stupid.  
Homophobic mind, oops, see, I mean hydroponic mind is stupid and anyone who 
will attempt to lead it needs to at least look like they are stupid too and 
lead that way, GWB being the almost perfect example.  I say almost perfect, 
because, as you know, GWB doesn't just look stupid and leads that way; he IS 
stupid and leads that way, which may be why he is so successful.  Oh oh, I've 
said too much.  Here come the thought police outside my door.  I hear their 
commander screaming at them now...COMPANY HALT  PREE-SENT ARMS!  Oh 
man, tomb of the unknown soldier here I come.  Later.  Mike DuPree
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  Subject: [Biofuel] New political metaphors


  I think most of us will agree that the terms 'left' and 'right' are fast 
losing their relevence in the political sense. Many of us will optimistically 
try to deny that there is any new dichotomy in its place. I have been aware of 
such a dichotomy for over a decade, and I submit that it is real, that it is 
definite, and that it has a rock-face that, when reached, will not be 
susceptible to any post-modern 'both-and' notion. Soon, people will have to 
choose, and their choices will have implications, possibly tragic ones, 
possibly heroic ones.

  Might I suggest two new political terms: 'permacultural' and 'hydroponic'? 
The world is increasingly moving to the latter approach: systems are simplified 
so that they may be tightly monitored by government agencies and strictly 
controlled by legislation. To this end oligopolies are nurtured and renegade 
human creativity stifled, co-opted, or restricted to superficial irrelevancies. 
People are reduced to passive 'pure consumers'. The attitude seems to be that 
the environment is too important to allow people near it. Thus we find the 
world becoming in a sense 'indoor', a controlled environment. One gets the 
impression that all of Europe is turning into a single big Victorian 
drawing-room.

  Many would disagree with this approach, and there is an old tradition that 
answers well to the term 'permacultural'. It runs through a number of writers: 
Fritz Schumacher springs immediately to mind, but there are others. The aim is 
rather to build systems that have an intrinsic propensity to produce what is 
desirable, and then to leave them to get on with it. It is an approach that can 
accommodate a lot of exceptional behaviours, and it thrives on renegade 
creativity. It is however much more likely to run up against vested interests, 
be they political or economic, and therefore cannot really thrive inside a 
'hydroponic' system.

  Many of the differences of opinion that have arisen from time to time in this 
group can be understood in the above terms. Try it.

  What say you?

  -Dawie


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Re: [Biofuel] New political metaphors

2007-03-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike, Dawie

Then you need two terms Mike. Your view of the hydroponic mind 
might be a bit American, but I guess it has its variations 
everywhere, or at least everywhere in the industrialised societies.

Anyway it would apply to the subscribers, people who've been lulled 
and hypnotised by the altogether new levels of saturation available 
to the consent manufacturing industry since the dual arrival in the 
70s of the neo-liberal economic era and of the silicon chip. The chip 
enabled much more powerful delivery systems, much closer control of 
just about everything, and the kind of reach that made corporate 
globalisation possible.

But your description doesn't fit those who're calling the tune. They 
do have a lot of blind spots, but they're not stupid.

This is something to be viewed over the last 30 years or so, not just 
the last decade, and the last 30 years also has it's historical 
context. Worth checking out the list archives on Edward Bernays, eg.

Post-modernism followed the failure of the modernist project in the 
60s, but since (for those who call the tune) that project was just an 
excuse for wealth-extraction anyway, it was replaced not by whatever 
post-modernism was supposed to lead us to, but by a much more potent 
and effective wealth-extraction system.

Hence, for instance:

 http://www.cepr.net/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=423Itemid=8
 CEPR - The Scorecard on Globalization 1980-2000: 20 Years of
 Diminished Progress
 July 2001, Mark Weisbrot, Dean Baker, Egor Kraev, and Judy Chen
 This report looks at economic and social indicators for all countries
 for which data are available and compares the period of 1980-2000
 with the previous 20 years. Indicators include: the growth of income
 per person, life expectancy, mortality, literacy, and education. It
 finds a very clear decline in progress as compared with the period
 1960-1980. Download report:
 http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/globalization_2001_07_11.pdf

The rich got richer and everybody else got a whole lot poorer.

As we've established, poverty is not just an unfortunate side-effect 
of corporatism, it's an essential part of what they call wealth 
creation, ie wealth extraction and wealth concentration plus poverty 
creation, essential for the race-to-the-bottom style of labour 
relations upon which neo-liberal corporate globalisation depends. And 
the environment gets trashed along the way.

In previous discussions people have tended to see all this as just 
more of the same. Of course you can find many of the same elements in 
the 50s and 60s, or back in the 1920s and 30s, or in the late 19th 
Century, or whenever. But that just explains it away, which makes it 
more dangerous. It's not just more of the same, unless you want to 
say that's what a tyrannosaurus is compared with a ghekko, just more 
of the same.

On the other hand, this is the same old story that's been going on 
for the last 10,000 years or so, the problem of power, and though we 
seem to lose all the wars, it's been a story of steady progress, 
right up to now.

Thus the microchip also enabled the Internet - the great leveller - 
and the Other Superpower, which will be the nemesis of what we're 
calling the hydroponic side.

See How to kill a mammoth, by Roberto Verzola, secretary-general of 
the Philippine Greens:
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg30628.html
[biofuel] Mammoth corporations

We'll win in the end, but as Chomsky just wrote in the Guardian, A 
predator becomes more dangerous when wounded. So does a rat in a 
corner.

So, Dawie, I don't really see the new dichotomy you talk of. It seems 
left and right have always meant a lot of different things. When 
I left South Africa in the 70s left-wing there meant the somewhat 
right of centre Progressive Party, backed by Anglo American, since 
the real left wingers were in exile, in jail or dead. I went to work 
in Hong Kong, where left-wing meant pro-China and right-wing 
meant pro-Taiwan.

The dichotomies between the WTO, IMF, World Bank, Davos, so-called 
free-traders etc on the one hand and the World Social Forum et al on 
the other are rather clear, as between top-down Big Central and Think 
Globally, Act Locally, or between risk assessment and the 
Precautionary Principle.

Also, I'd suggest that the opposite of hydroponic would be organic, 
rather than permacultural. Permaculture's a bit of a brand-name, 
trendy among caring city folks, with accreditation courses sold 
somewhat like a Ponzi scheme. I've seen a lot of junk in a lot of 
places represented as Permaculture, and some good projects indeed, 
but that was quite often due more to the people who were doing them 
than to the label, though not always.

After all, Howard and the other pioneers of organic farming were 
dissing hydroponics in the 1940s, when Bill Mollison was still a 
little boy.

Trouble is the word organic is also a bit denatured these days, but 
it's still serviceable. 

Re: [Biofuel] New political metaphors

2007-03-14 Thread MK DuPree
Hi Keith...wonderful expose and thanks for the additional references.  No doubt 
my views are suburban, middle-class American, I guess middle-middle class, 
maybe almost lower-middle class.  Anyway, I'm not sure of your suggestion for 
my needing two terms.  Could you please expound, keeping in mind we're more 
than a little schizo in this part of the world, so that about the time you 
think you have a handle on one term another appears which you try to assimilate 
thereby compounding the schizophrenia...?  Otherwise, my comments on GWB 
definitely tongue-in-cheek, no, sarcastic, cynical rant that something as 
brilliant as the human mind could be so stupid as to be used the way his ilk 
(and his ilk for centuries before him) could use it.  Anyway...you mention 
Edward Bernays...anyone interested might check out this four part BBC video 
series on the development of public relations in America and later in British 
politics: 
http://www.mercola.com/2007/mar/6/freud-was-used-to-control-the-masses.htm  
Edward Bernays absolutely pivotal.  Mike DuPree
  
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New political metaphors


 Hello Mike, Dawie
 
 Then you need two terms Mike. Your view of the hydroponic mind 
 might be a bit American, but I guess it has its variations 
 everywhere, or at least everywhere in the industrialised societies.
 
 Anyway it would apply to the subscribers, people who've been lulled 
 and hypnotised by the altogether new levels of saturation available 
 to the consent manufacturing industry since the dual arrival in the 
 70s of the neo-liberal economic era and of the silicon chip. The chip 
 enabled much more powerful delivery systems, much closer control of 
 just about everything, and the kind of reach that made corporate 
 globalisation possible.
 
 But your description doesn't fit those who're calling the tune. They 
 do have a lot of blind spots, but they're not stupid.
 
 This is something to be viewed over the last 30 years or so, not just 
 the last decade, and the last 30 years also has it's historical 
 context. Worth checking out the list archives on Edward Bernays, eg.
 
 Post-modernism followed the failure of the modernist project in the 
 60s, but since (for those who call the tune) that project was just an 
 excuse for wealth-extraction anyway, it was replaced not by whatever 
 post-modernism was supposed to lead us to, but by a much more potent 
 and effective wealth-extraction system.
 
 Hence, for instance:
 
 http://www.cepr.net/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=423Itemid=8
 CEPR - The Scorecard on Globalization 1980-2000: 20 Years of
 Diminished Progress
 July 2001, Mark Weisbrot, Dean Baker, Egor Kraev, and Judy Chen
 This report looks at economic and social indicators for all countries
 for which data are available and compares the period of 1980-2000
 with the previous 20 years. Indicators include: the growth of income
 per person, life expectancy, mortality, literacy, and education. It
 finds a very clear decline in progress as compared with the period
 1960-1980. Download report:
 http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/globalization_2001_07_11.pdf
 
 The rich got richer and everybody else got a whole lot poorer.
 
 As we've established, poverty is not just an unfortunate side-effect 
 of corporatism, it's an essential part of what they call wealth 
 creation, ie wealth extraction and wealth concentration plus poverty 
 creation, essential for the race-to-the-bottom style of labour 
 relations upon which neo-liberal corporate globalisation depends. And 
 the environment gets trashed along the way.
 
 In previous discussions people have tended to see all this as just 
 more of the same. Of course you can find many of the same elements in 
 the 50s and 60s, or back in the 1920s and 30s, or in the late 19th 
 Century, or whenever. But that just explains it away, which makes it 
 more dangerous. It's not just more of the same, unless you want to 
 say that's what a tyrannosaurus is compared with a ghekko, just more 
 of the same.
 
 On the other hand, this is the same old story that's been going on 
 for the last 10,000 years or so, the problem of power, and though we 
 seem to lose all the wars, it's been a story of steady progress, 
 right up to now.
 
 Thus the microchip also enabled the Internet - the great leveller - 
 and the Other Superpower, which will be the nemesis of what we're 
 calling the hydroponic side.
 
 See How to kill a mammoth, by Roberto Verzola, secretary-general of 
 the Philippine Greens:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg30628.html
 [biofuel] Mammoth corporations
 
 We'll win in the end, but as Chomsky just wrote in the Guardian, A 
 predator becomes more dangerous when wounded. So does a rat in a 
 corner.
 
 So, Dawie, I don't really see the new dichotomy you talk of. It seems 
 

[Biofuel] MAGNASOL

2007-03-14 Thread JAMES PHELPS
If you are getting into biodiesel or have had some weird results with 
consistent reactions even though you are sure they should be in closer 
tolerance.

Do this check with the supplier of your oil to see if they use a filter powder, 
MANY MANY do in the US.  This is fine but I found that they often leave qiute a 
bit of the un reacted powder in the oil ( it takes out FFA's)  This powder will 
also tie up your methanol and Lye.

Thus you can get inconsistent completion results.  It will not show up in 
titration nor will you be able to see it.

The cure to this is:

Heat Oil to 180 F

Wash like biodiesel (it ties up water too)

Drain all water, Let set to be sure you get the water out then proceed.

This little known deal can cause some head scratching


Anyone else?

Jim

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