Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Earth Hour
I just imagine what Iraq ( countries around it) would have been like if we had waited for Saddam to either leave, or perish. The west could have invested all that Iraq war money into improving the lot of the poor peoples in the Middle East, actually made money from the process, as well as eliminating the risk of 'terrorism' (because content people do not have the hate to terrorise) Instead what an awful reality we have generated now regards Doug On Friday 30 March 2007 10:53:14 am Keith Addison wrote: Thankyou Chip, well put. Overpopulation is a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself. Quite so, I very much agree (except for the Lester Brown bit, see my other post, eg). The disease itself is poverty, and poverty is induced, it's artificial. This is from the About page at Journey to Forever: Well, look around: the way we humans are behaving these days you'd think you can buy new planets by the dozen in the local supermarket. The deserts are spreading, the forests are shrinking, the climate is changing, the water's drying up, whole species vanish for good by the minute, pollution is literally everywhere, there's even a hole in the sky, and never before have so many people been so poor and so few people been so rich. This is not what people want, but most people feel helpless to do anything about it. Some people now see humans as some kind of super-predator that's gotten right out of control, a sort of planetary cancer, and the sooner we destroy ourselves, well, the better for everything else. But it's just not true. In fact most people live pretty much in harmony with nature, as they've always done -- all the traditional ways of life around the globe got that right a long time ago, or they'd never have survived this far. But it's getting difficult to follow the old ways -- impossible, for many. Why? Overpopulation? It's a myth, a symptom of what's wrong, not the cause of it. Nearly a billion go hungry -- in a world where never before has there been so much food per capita: 4.3 lbs of food per day for each human alive, more than enough for everyone. Hundreds of millions are landless -- while in some of the hungriest and most 'overpopulated' countries most of the land is owned by tiny elites who use only a fraction of their holdings while the rest lies idle. And the rate of poverty is growing faster than the population is. What confronts us is not some intractable result of Malthusian biology, enough to make anyone feel helpless -- it's simply injustice. Injustice can be stopped in its tracks. Best Keith MK DuPree wrote: I love it...looking forward to trying my hand at making candles per technique described. And please no one get me wrong about possibly eschewing the benefits of lights off for at least an hour...at least an hour! Keith...I have these questions, however. You mention plenty of room regarding more people on the planet. I seem to remember you having made this comment before. While I don't doubt we might have plenty of room, quantitatively, what about the resources to support more...and more...and more of us? It seems to me that human overpopulation is the single most imbalancing act occurring on the planet, making all efforts to introduce and manage behavior that might be beneficial to the planet and each other incredibly difficult, if not impossible. It seems to me the sooner the world adopts a zero population growth strategy the better it will be for all. Your thoughts? MD ORIGIN SNIPPED While I'm certainly Keith can step foward and lend us some more fun input, I thought I'd have a go. Depending on who you believe, we are somewhere in the general neighborhood of 7.2b folks. gather it all in one big pile, and divy it up, and it looks like somewhere in the 8.7 to 9.2b range for water,food and such. But NOT at the current rate of consumption/destruction. I liked the book 'Limits to Growth' from way on back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limits_to_Growth It's been republished and updated, and it's pretty cool to note how close the 'Club of Rome' folks were on this research. Similar set of numbers have been arrived at by Lester Brown's earth policy institute, published in Plan B 2.0 (maybe in Plan B, but I've not read it) Personally, I like Lester Brown's take on the whole cabal, I don't believe it myself, but I think he's got a good dialog going, and I think he's making a difference, so he has my support. Yeah, there really is plenty of room, and plenty for all, and plenty for more, and the fun part is, according to all those folks who study this stuff for a living (something I certainly don't) is that all this stuff, and all this room, and all this prosperity is supposedly available to everyone at a standard of living to which pretty much everyone naturally aspires! This I find most remarkable. Just like Keith
[Biofuel] Earth Hour
Hi all I forwarded the Earth Hour initiative to various local environmental groups and just received the following message back from one of them... James, Although as with the first power off campaign I think it is a great way to bring reality of climate change closer, nevertheless I still have concerns about power surges (and not personal equipment longevity or damage) and whether this is a totally wise thing to do over a huge area? I am mainly concerned about massive power surges if this is not staggered and the pressure on power plants especially if they are not in on the act and not prepared. This could potentially cause more problems than it is pretending to solve? I am holding back from promoting too widely because I have not thought through all possible outcomes, have you? Comments on this issue please? Best James ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Earth Hour
Hello James Hi all I forwarded the Earth Hour initiative to various local environmental groups and just received the following message back from one of them... James, Although as with the first power off campaign I think it is a great way to bring reality of climate change closer, nevertheless I still have concerns about power surges (and not personal equipment longevity or damage) and whether this is a totally wise thing to do over a huge area? I am mainly concerned about massive power surges if this is not staggered and the pressure on power plants especially if they are not in on the act and not prepared. This could potentially cause more problems than it is pretending to solve? I am holding back from promoting too widely because I have not thought through all possible outcomes, have you? Comments on this issue please? Best James As I said, it started in Japan with Candle Night and it's quite successful here, with schools taking part, for instance. *Very* popular, says Midori. There've been no reports of damage to the grid caused by massive power surges as a result. I don't think it's a practical concern, the event would have to grow to massive proportions first, which is not going to happen straight away as soon as a few folks send each other emails about it. If it did grow that big, even first time round, it'd have to be a very switched off power company anyway that didn't get to hear about it in time. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Earth Hour
Hi James, i suppose there is a certain point in this.The simultanious cutting off consumtion is a way off showing on great scale how many people are ready to cut back 1 hour of consumption! But if everyone continues afterwards with the regular consumption,the point is missed. Real reduction is needed and you get it in long term only trough rigorous chanche of behavior. Homeinsulation is a good thing to start on.Most houses (in Montreal by example) have such poor insulation,its a shame,Industrial Buildings next to no insulation,Windows,single pane,draghty like hell and the buildings with old steamboilers overheatet,because people are used to work in short sleeve shirts. This is reality,i see it every time i go down to Montreal,and nowbody cares about it, because heating is payed by the tenant! I am working since 40 years building higly efficient woodwindows and i have seen a lot of crappy stuff here in Canada . Fritz - Original Message - From: James Machin To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Earth Hour Hi all I forwarded the Earth Hour initiative to various local environmental groups and just received the following message back from one of them... James, Although as with the first power off campaign I think it is a great way to bring reality of climate change closer, nevertheless I still have concerns about power surges (and not personal equipment longevity or damage) and whether this is a totally wise thing to do over a huge area? I am mainly concerned about massive power surges if this is not staggered and the pressure on power plants especially if they are not in on the act and not prepared. This could potentially cause more problems than it is pretending to solve? I am holding back from promoting too widely because I have not thought through all possible outcomes, have you? Comments on this issue please? Best James ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Alberta town set to build ethanol plant - Kimberly Daily Bulletin - 2007.03.23
Alberta town set to build ethanol plant The Daily Bulletin (Kimberley) Fri 23 Mar 2007 RIMBEY, Alta. (CP) -- A central Alberta town is on track to build a plant that will turn straw and municipal waste into millions of litres of biofuel each year. Rimbey Mayor Dale Barr said construction on the plant could start as early as this summer, with an estimated cost of about $30 million. A ``primary investor'' is in place, with others expected to come on board, he said, and federal and provincial funding is also likely. He said about 80 per cent of the materials used in the plant will be agricultural-based, including pea vines and straw from canola, wheat and barley. Municipal waste would also be used, diverting residential and commercial garbage away from the landfill. The plant's proposed location is the site of Rimbey's waste transfer station, where waste material would be sorted as it comes in. ``We'll take probably 90 per cent of the municipal waste as it is,'' said Barr, adding that 90,000 to 100,000 tonnes of cellulose material would be needed each year. Although ethanol would be the plant's principal product, electricity and heat would also be generated, he said. He estimated that 25 to 50 permanent jobs could be created by the development. In 2004, the Federation of Canadian Municipalities approved a $347,500 feasibility study into a biofuel plant for Rimbey, focusing on finding technology that would utilize municipal waste, and could be used on a small scale. The system chosen currently exists at a small Canadian pilot plant, but the Rimbey plant will be the first attempt at commercialization, said Barr. ``To get it to this stage is very exciting, not only for what it's going to do for central Alberta and Rimbey, but what it's going to do for the environment and the way we deal with municipal waste,'' said Barr. Meanwhile, a county in northern Alberta is looking to get into the biofuel industry. The Peace Region Economic Development Alliance is hosting an information session on the industry, in an attempt to attract farmers that grow canola locally. (c) 2007 The Daily Bulletin (Kimberley) -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (now in print and eBook) http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] John Cleese's message to the USA:
To the citizens of the United States of America: In light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. Her Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy). Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint a governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect: 1. You should look up revocation in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. 2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour', 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ize will be replaced by the suffix ise. 3. You will learn that the suffix 'burgh' is pronounced 'burra'; you may elect to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you find you simply can't cope with correct pronunciation. 3. You should learn to distinguish English and Australian accents. It really isn't that hard. English accents are not limited to cockney, upper-class twit or Mancunian (Daphne in Frasier). Scottish dramas such as 'Taggart' will no longer be broadcast with subtitles. You must learn that there is no such place as Devonshire in England. The name of the county is Devon. If you persist in calling it Devonshire, all American States will become shires e.g. Texasshire Floridashire, Louisianashire. 4. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels (look up vocabulary). Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as like and you know is unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. 5.There is no such thing as US English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of -ize. 6. You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save The Queen, but only after fully carrying out Task #1 (see above). 7. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. November 2nd will be a new national holiday, but to be celebrated only in England. It will be called Come-Uppance Day. 8. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun. 9. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public. 10. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. 11. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric immediately and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour. 12. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) - roughly $6/US gallon. Get used to it. 13. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with mayonnaise but with vinegar. 14. Waiters and waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers. 15. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion. 16. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie MacDowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater. 17. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American
[Biofuel] Methanol Prices?
I am interested in finding out the going rate for Methanol these days. I found a local distributor but they seem very over priced @ $600+ for a 55 gallon drum. Or $10.90 a gallon Anyone know the going rate per gallon these days? I was expecting around $200 for 55 gallons. Am I dreaming? Corey ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Earth Hour
Breakers trip, trucks destroy transmission lines in accidents. The grid is designed to automatically correct sudden load changes. Very large ones in fact. Absolutely no worries. Kirk Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello James Hi all I forwarded the Earth Hour initiative to various local environmental groups and just received the following message back from one of them... James, Although as with the first power off campaign I think it is a great way to bring reality of climate change closer, nevertheless I still have concerns about power surges (and not personal equipment longevity or damage) and whether this is a totally wise thing to do over a huge area? I am mainly concerned about massive power surges if this is not staggered and the pressure on power plants especially if they are not in on the act and not prepared. This could potentially cause more problems than it is pretending to solve? I am holding back from promoting too widely because I have not thought through all possible outcomes, have you? Comments on this issue please? Best James As I said, it started in Japan with Candle Night and it's quite successful here, with schools taking part, for instance. *Very* popular, says Midori. There've been no reports of damage to the grid caused by massive power surges as a result. I don't think it's a practical concern, the event would have to grow to massive proportions first, which is not going to happen straight away as soon as a few folks send each other emails about it. If it did grow that big, even first time round, it'd have to be a very switched off power company anyway that didn't get to hear about it in time. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] John Cleese's message to the USA:
Simon Fowler wrote: To the citizens of the United States of America: snip Thank you for your co-operation. John Cleese. Yet another urban legend . . . http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/revocation.asp robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Prices?
Wow do you get a kiss with that ? I am paying $3.50 a gal from a fuel supplier as off road fuel no road tax. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Corey Cauble Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:04 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Prices? I am interested in finding out the going rate for Methanol these days. I found a local distributor but they seem very over priced @ $600+ for a 55 gallon drum. Or $10.90 a gallon Anyone know the going rate per gallon these days? I was expecting around $200 for 55 gallons. Am I dreaming? Corey ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methanol prices?
In Alberta, you should be able to find 75 cents / L in drums. One or 2 outfits charge 60 cents but it is in Cube packs , or over 200 gallons per sale. I'm unsure because I suspect the 2 companies are linked as in one owns the other , which makes them the same to me. Where are you ? I could find out if they have a branch where you are and if the price is portable. Probly not but worth a try. Robin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
