Re: [Biofuel] new topic
Prifitability to the new energy business is a matter for the government to ensure, assuming that the government wants such a development, of course. In Sweden. Italy and UK (I think) there is a system of green certificates for power generation. These systems oblige the power distributors to buy a min quote of green certificates, allowing of certain amount of the power will be green. As for the biodiesel or even ethanol, the authorities will have to enforce the production and consumption of these, with grants or by quotas. But there is another factor to take into consideration as well: Big systems are sensitive to terrorst attacks, technical malfunctions etc. That in itself is a reason to encourage small scale energy production. - Original Message - From: Michael Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] new topic On 9/19/07, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, my time here in Ageratec has provided me with some observations which I would like the list members to share with me: We are in the business of producing energy from sources which originally are meant for food purposes or food waste. It is obvious that this new energy sector has very few of the traditional energy suppliers, rather new actors in this field of green energy. I don't think the renewable energy industry is nearly as profitable as the existing oil industry. The investments in renewables by big oil is only to comply with mandatory state and federal requirements. If renewables ever take off and actually threaten their profits the oil giants will have tens of billions of dollars available to buyout everyone, and in the end they own it all again. It is happening with ethanol production. What started as cooperatively owned ethanol plants financed by groups of local farmers has grown into highly capitalized publicly owned corporations not owned by farmers at all. Non-farm investors are buy up ethanol production plants and farmers are back to growing a commodity crop and suffering the whims of the market and speculators. Here in Sweden the farmers are buying wind mills, selling the power to the power distributors, the paper and pulp industry is burning the black liqueur residue and producing power from it, both for own consumption and for sales. Some farmers are growing canola, producing biodiesel from it for own consumption and for sales. The ethanol industry has begun to shift from approaching ethanol as a solvent to treating it as fuel. There is a new combinative proposing that wood should be used for producing methanol for energy purposes. None of these areas have mineral oil companies, nuclear, coal or hydro power companies or any other traditional suppliers of energy involved in their business. This teaches us that the new energy will be dominated by new actors, which means that there is a great need for knowledge and know-how both for the energy products as such, and also for the energy business itself. This demand exsists not only within the actors, but also within the authorities, the traditional actors and the industry used to produce food etc. The same development will no doubt strike the lubricant industry. The new green lubricants will no doubt be forced out into the market by new actors. So we are actually into a process which will change the power balance, intensely stalled by the traditional actors and anybody who gains from their power. This may be a long hard struggle, be the outcome is given on forehand: If we want to consume energy it has to be renewable. We may have to decrease our consumption, but that does not mean that our welfare or independence will suffer. On the contrary, this is a major stimulation for new technology, new solutions and - for new actors. So - hang in there, even to your nails. Jan Warnqvist -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070919/625bf774/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070919/0261f1f1/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] new topic
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Re: [Biofuel] new topic
be forced out into the market by new actors. So we are actually into a process which will change the power balance, intensely stalled by the traditional actors and anybody who gains from their power. This may be a long hard struggle, be the outcome is given on forehand: If we want to consume energy it has to be renewable. We may have to decrease our consumption, but that does not mean that our welfare or independence will suffer. On the contrary, this is a major stimulation for new technology, new solutions and - for new actors. So - hang in there, even to your nails. Jan Warnqvist -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070919/625bf774/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070919/0261f1f1/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070920/454890a1/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] White House opposes action to improve drug safety
with the right of patients to hold drug companies accountable in court when they are harmed by unsafe medications, Vaughan said. Should the public be informed? Now what about the question of whether the public should have access to such a database of clinical trial results? Once again, it comes down to a fundamental principle of full disclosure: If drug companies want consumers to swallow their pills, shouldn't consumers be able to independently check the safety of those pills? Currently, drug companies prefer that patients know nothing about the safety of their medications. All safety information is currently filtered through the FDA -- a highly corrupt (in fact, criminal!) agency that in my opinion has no concern whatsoever for the health and safety of the American public. Thus, the very agency currently in control of drug safety information is not even genuinely interested in drug safety! (Case in point: The FDA voted to put Vioxx back on the market even after knowing it likely killed over 60,000 Americans!) If the FDA is the watchdog of drug safety, then who is watching the watchdog? As it turns out, groups like CSPI and Public Citizen are doing the job the FDA refuses to do. If it wasn't for lawsuits from groups like these, the FDA would have done virtually nothing over the last ten years to protect the public from dangerous drugs. The FDA only takes action after being hammered by lawsuits, Senators or Congressional testimony from its own drug safety scientists (whom the FDA tries to silence before they can speak out, by the way). Giving the public access to an online database where people can review the results of clinical trials on their own would take the corrupt FDA out of the loop. Of course, it wouldn't stop the problem of fraudulent clinical trials, meaning most of the results published in the database would be false to begin with, but at least it would eliminate one layer of secrecy about pharmaceutical safety. This is, of course, precisely why the White House strongly opposes the idea. Big Pharma depends on secrecy for its success. If the truth about the widespread dangers of prescription drugs actually came out, consumers would shift to natural remedies in droves! The only thing protecting drug companies from utter financial ruin is a massive shield of deception that prevents anyone from knowing exactly how harmful these synthetic chemicals really are. Notice that it's only after the fact that we currently learn about dangerous drugs? That's because all new pharmaceuticals are experimental, and they're used on Americans like guinea pigs. Most drugs are simply not safe, and all pharmaceuticals have unintended side effects. These drugs are released into the marketplace for the purpose of creating profit, not for the purpose of actually preventing disease or making anyone healthier. Thus, the House bill provision that would require drug companies to openly disclose the results of their clinical trials presents a real problem for Big Pharma. It's a serious threat to their information monopoly that currently allows them to sweep negative clinical trial results under the rug. Remember this: Big Pharma, the White House and the FDA all want you to remain ignorant about the dangers of drugs. The truth can never be allowed to be told, because the truth of the matter is simply too shocking for most Americans to comprehend. And what is this truth, you ask? It's simple: The pharmaceutical industry is a criminal organization engaged in crimes against humanity. This industry is far more dangerous than any terrorist group, has killed far more Americans than any war (including World War II), and now represents the single greatest threat to the safety of American citizens. The number of Americans killed each year by FDA-approved pharmaceuticals is -- I kid you not -- equivalent to dropping a nuclear weapon on a major U.S. city. Think Hiroshima in World War II, but that it keeps happening every year, right here in the United States. Ignorance is a very powerful weapon for drug companies and politicians. It is no surprise that both would vigorously oppose any law that might seek to end widespread ignorance and shed light on the atrocious safety record of pharmaceuticals. Click here to read the Consumers Union press release on this topic. ### - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070920/a83b3644/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] new topic
Hi Jan and all And further: The developing countries may be able to benefit very well from a more de-centralized energy production by taking advantage from the green techniques. An example: A farmer in Africa decides to grow Jatropha plants, because a near-by plantation has decided to produce biodiesel for their own consumption, since the availability of petrodiesel changes with the wheather and with rebel and government activities. The production cost for Jatropha oil biodiesel is far less than the cost of petrodiesel. The biodiesel and its by-products can also be used to generate electricity and give a surplus back on to the power network. A surplus that can be consumed by the farmer and his family. This will enable them to increase their standard and even increase the production of Jatropha oil. This is only one example of events that we in the company have seen taking place, although mostly concerning palm oil. Encouraging, Jan, and I can confirm it. Since we launched the Journey to Forever website and started the Biofuel mailing list I've seen similar events taking place just about everywhere, in every conceivable shape and form, especially in the last couple of years, and not just in the developing countries. Though I'd say it's now widespread, it's still rather invisible to most people, not the kind of thing that makes primetime on FoxTV. It doesn't register in Wall Street or Washington either, it usually goes under the radar. That's as it should be, IMHO, revolutions should be stealthy. What it doesn't need is intensive government regulation, whether to protect it from Big Biz or whatever. That would be just as damaging as the Big Biz approach would be. Let them all screw around with Agrofuels like they're doing now, it won't last too long, and meanwhile real biofuels development can look after itself, thankyou. Same as organic farming, which has been spreading like a weed worldwide without any assistance from guys in suits, and they can't stop it either. Agribiz can't do biofuels any more than they can do organics. They tried it with organics, Big Organics, but suddenly nobody's interested in the Organic label anymore, they want local food instead. Which as it turns out is more likely to be truly organic than some of the stuff in Walmarts with the Organic label on it. Agribiz can't do local. It's the same with biofuels. Best Keith - Original Message - From: Lugano Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] new topic TRUE, governments have key role to play - the development of these new and clean energy systems need be regulated not just left to the multinationals to control everything at their PROFIT. serious cases will be to developing countries that have corrupt systems only to throw such precious lands at a token advantage. it is clear that these developments are going to spread decentralized energy sevices to remote areas that one could not think of. it should therefore be promoted with much regulation. Lugano Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prifitability to the new energy business is a matter for the government to ensure, assuming that the government wants such a development, of course. In Sweden. Italy and UK (I think) there is a system of green certificates for power generation. These systems oblige the power distributors to buy a min quote of green certificates, allowing of certain amount of the power will be green. As for the biodiesel or even ethanol, the authorities will have to enforce the production and consumption of these, with grants or by quotas. But there is another factor to take into consideration as well: Big systems are sensitive to terrorst attacks, technical malfunctions etc. That in itself is a reason to encourage small scale energy production. - Original Message - From: Michael Miller To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] new topic On 9/19/07, Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hello all, my time here in Ageratec has provided me with some observations which I would like the list members to share with me: We are in the business of producing energy from sources which originally are meant for food purposes or food waste. It is obvious that this new energy sector has very few of the traditional energy suppliers, rather new actors in this field of green energy. I don't think the renewable energy industry is nearly as profitable as the existing oil industry. The investments in renewables by big oil is only to comply with mandatory state and federal requirements. If renewables ever take off and actually threaten their profits the oil giants will have tens of billions of dollars available to buyout everyone, and in the end they own it all again. It is happening with ethanol production. What
[Biofuel] useful
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[Biofuel] FDA still worse than useless.
FDA CRACKS DOWN ON NATURAL HERBAL SWEETENER, STEVIA The FDA, under pressure from the powerful sugar and artificial sweetener lobby, has issued a warning letter to Celestial Seasonings for using a popular natural sweetener in some of its teas. The letter indicates the FDA classifies the herb stevia as unsafe, even though it is a main staple sweetener in countries like China and Japan and has been used without negative health effects by indigenous people for at least 400 years. In the FDA's letter to Celestial Seasonings, the agency aggressively condemns the use of the herb, noting that enforcement action may include seizure of violative products. The FDA claims no evidence has been provided to the agency regarding the herb's safety, but federal records reveal the FDA has received over a thousand scientific studies regarding stevia, and all but one of them verify the safety of the herb. In sharp contrast, nearly half of the studies provided to the FDA regarding the artificial sweetener aspartame, previously owned by Monsanto, indicate serious health concerns, yet it is one of the most commonly used (and one of the most profitable) sweeteners in the U.S. The OCA has also verified the FDA has strengthened enforcement of stevia imports at the borders. Last week, the agency updated a document that mandates detainment of imported food products containing stevia. Learn more: http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_7140.cfm - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070920/1429e860/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
