Re: [Biofuel] The great Iraqi swindle

2007-10-21 Thread Doug Younker


Mike Weaver wrote:
 *And we keep getting richer but we can't get our picture
 On the cover of the Rolling Stone
 
 -Dr Hook

Curses. Thanks to you that tune will be stuck in my head for hours.
Doug

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Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity

2007-10-21 Thread swalms
Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they?

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138 Muslim Scholars Issue Open Letter to Christian Religious Leaders 
| IslamToday / Agencies|
   
11 October 2007

138 of the world's leading Muslim scholars and intellectuals from all
branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi, liberal and
conservative) had come together to write a letter entitled A Common Word
Between Us and You, to the world's Christian leaders. 

The drafting of the letter was organized by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute
for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan. Though its message has been said by
Muslim scholars many times before, it is the first time so many high-profile
Muslims have come together in public to make such a unified call for peace. 

The letter was launched first in Jordan this morning, and then in other
countries over the course of the day, the letter gets its final unveiling at
a joint press conference in Washington D.C. this afternoon by Mustafa Ceric,
Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director of the Prince Alwaleed
Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown
University. 

In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter - which calls for peace
between the world's Christians and Muslims - is signed by no fewer than 19
current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis from countries as
diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, and Palestine. War-torn
Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis. 

It is addressed to Christianity's most powerful leaders, including the pope,
the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the Lutheran, Methodist and
Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with Qur'anic and Biblical
scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets of Islam and
Christianity are identical: love of one (and the same) God, and love of
one's neighbor. 

On this basis the letter reasons that harmony between the two religions is
not only necessary for world peace, it is natural.

As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that
Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims
on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes
. Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail to sincerely make every
effort to make peace, the letter reads. 

If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace.
With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians
intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a
conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants, the scholars
wrote. 

Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is
perhaps at stake,

It's an astonishing achievement of solidarity, says David Ford, director
of the Cambridge University's Interfaith Program. I hope it will be able to
set the right key note for relations between Muslims and Christians in the
21st century, which have been lacking since September 11. 

One profound obstacle to establishing positive relations among mainstream
Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been the lack of a single,
authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a dialogue. This letter
changes that. It proves that Islam can have an unambiguous, unified voice,
says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and one of the letter's
authors. 

Sources:

Emily Flynn Vencat, Giving Peace a Chance Newsweek October 11, 2007

Peter Graff, Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians Reuters
October 11, 2007

Jumana Farouky, Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message Time October 11, 2007  
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Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity

2007-10-21 Thread Keith Addison
Stephen R Walmsley wrote:

Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they?

You read it then, did you? I'll bet you didn't.

So you expect them to apologise for 9/11? Do you feel that Islam is 
to blame for it?

And you think that's what this is all about?

Might it not perhaps have a little to do with all the toxic 
Islamo-fascist -cum-War of Civilisations etc etc etc crusader BS 
that gets flung about by US nutcases these days?

Would you have preferred it if they'd waited for the US to apologise 
for that first? Or maybe for what your war criminals have been doing 
in Iraq and Afghanistan and have got the hots for doing in Iran too? 
But the Muslims are the guilty ones, eh?

The full letter's here, why don't you give it a read?

http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/cip/documents/COMMONWORDFINAL091007.pdf

Keith


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138 Muslim Scholars Issue Open Letter to Christian Religious Leaders
| IslamToday / Agencies|

11 October 2007

138 of the world's leading Muslim scholars and intellectuals from all
branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi, liberal and
conservative) had come together to write a letter entitled A Common Word
Between Us and You, to the world's Christian leaders.

The drafting of the letter was organized by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute
for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan. Though its message has been said by
Muslim scholars many times before, it is the first time so many high-profile
Muslims have come together in public to make such a unified call for peace.

The letter was launched first in Jordan this morning, and then in other
countries over the course of the day, the letter gets its final unveiling at
a joint press conference in Washington D.C. this afternoon by Mustafa Ceric,
Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director of the Prince Alwaleed
Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown
University.

In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter - which calls for peace
between the world's Christians and Muslims - is signed by no fewer than 19
current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis from countries as
diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, and Palestine. War-torn
Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis.

It is addressed to Christianity's most powerful leaders, including the pope,
the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the Lutheran, Methodist and
Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with Qur'anic and Biblical
scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets of Islam and
Christianity are identical: love of one (and the same) God, and love of
one's neighbor.

On this basis the letter reasons that harmony between the two religions is
not only necessary for world peace, it is natural.

As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that
Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims
on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes
. Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail to sincerely make every
effort to make peace, the letter reads.

If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace.
With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians
intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a
conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants, the scholars
wrote.

Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is
perhaps at stake,

It's an astonishing achievement of solidarity, says David Ford, director
of the Cambridge University's Interfaith Program. I hope it will be able to
set the right key note for relations between Muslims and Christians in the
21st century, which have been lacking since September 11.

One profound obstacle to establishing positive relations among mainstream
Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been the lack of a single,
authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a dialogue. This letter
changes that. It proves that Islam can have an unambiguous, unified voice,
says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and one of the letter's
authors.

Sources:

Emily Flynn Vencat, Giving Peace a Chance Newsweek October 11, 2007

Peter Graff, Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians Reuters
October 11, 2007

Jumana Farouky, Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message Time October 11, 2007
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2007-10-21 Thread Kirk McLoren
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Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity

2007-10-21 Thread Kirk McLoren
If you think a load of kerosine took those buildings down you have little 
knowledge of steel and engineering. 9/11 is the equivalent of the Reichstag 
fire.
  As for true believers of Islam they do deplore such acts. Unfortunately they 
have radicals just as we do. It is easy to find examples of excess and 
inhumanity. That doesnt mean there are none trying their best to be honorable 
people.
   
  Kirk

swalms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they?

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138 Muslim Scholars Issue Open Letter to Christian Religious Leaders 
| IslamToday / Agencies|

11 October 2007

138 of the world's leading Muslim scholars and intellectuals from all
branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi, liberal and
conservative) had come together to write a letter entitled A Common Word
Between Us and You, to the world's Christian leaders. 

The drafting of the letter was organized by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute
for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan. Though its message has been said by
Muslim scholars many times before, it is the first time so many high-profile
Muslims have come together in public to make such a unified call for peace. 

The letter was launched first in Jordan this morning, and then in other
countries over the course of the day, the letter gets its final unveiling at
a joint press conference in Washington D.C. this afternoon by Mustafa Ceric,
Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director of the Prince Alwaleed
Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown
University. 

In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter - which calls for peace
between the world's Christians and Muslims - is signed by no fewer than 19
current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis from countries as
diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, and Palestine. War-torn
Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis. 

It is addressed to Christianity's most powerful leaders, including the pope,
the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the Lutheran, Methodist and
Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with Qur'anic and Biblical
scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets of Islam and
Christianity are identical: love of one (and the same) God, and love of
one's neighbor. 

On this basis the letter reasons that harmony between the two religions is
not only necessary for world peace, it is natural.

As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that
Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims
on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes
. Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail to sincerely make every
effort to make peace, the letter reads. 

If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace.
With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians
intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a
conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants, the scholars
wrote. 

Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is
perhaps at stake,

It's an astonishing achievement of solidarity, says David Ford, director
of the Cambridge University's Interfaith Program. I hope it will be able to
set the right key note for relations between Muslims and Christians in the
21st century, which have been lacking since September 11. 

One profound obstacle to establishing positive relations among mainstream
Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been the lack of a single,
authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a dialogue. This letter
changes that. It proves that Islam can have an unambiguous, unified voice,
says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and one of the letter's
authors. 

Sources:

Emily Flynn Vencat, Giving Peace a Chance Newsweek October 11, 2007

Peter Graff, Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians Reuters
October 11, 2007

Jumana Farouky, Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message Time October 11, 2007 
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[Biofuel] Fwd: DEADLY SECRETS - Rachel's Democracy Health News

2007-10-21 Thread Kirk McLoren
 owned subsidiary of Grupo
Mexico.[5] They have declared their intention to reopen this century-
old facility.[6] What happened to the hundreds of millions of dollars
that ASARCO had set aside to pay for cleaning up El Paso? In a
stunningly cynical move, Grupo Mexico was granted permission by the
U.S. government to use that money to pay down corporate debt. Not a
penny has been spent to remedy the damage from this longstanding
pollution.[7]

At this time, ASARCO faces bankruptcy because of its responsibilities
to clean up dozens of Superfund sites. Of an estimated $2 billion in
cleanup costs for old ASARCO areas throughout the United States alone,
the firm has set aside less than $100 million. The Steelworkers Union
in Dallas used the Freedom of Information Act to unearth an EPA memo
warning that any sampling of metals in El Paso could show that the
smelter had burned illegal wastes for years. Many locals suspect the
plans to reopen the rusted old smelter are just a ploy to keep the
plant from being declared a Superfund site. If the company declares
its intent to operate, it can't be prosecuted for having abandoned the
area.

The signing and sealing of secrecy agreements about contaminated
environments -- just like those about defective cars or planes -- is
not a matter of child's play. It's perfectly legal and perfectly bad
to allow health and safety information to be kept secret. Such secrets
also handicap the ability of science to evaluate hazards. We are left
with a policy that perversely allows that you can't ask about what
someone doesn't want you to know.

As you open the pages of The Secret History of the War on Cancer and
join me at our web site, you will find long forgotten secrets
exposed. You will also find a map that ensures that those of us who
want the future of cancer to be different from the past, understand
that keeping secrets about the things that cause the disease endangers
all of us.

==

Notes

[1] Residents of Smeltertown moved upstream two miles to Bueno Vista
across from Anapra, New Mexico, and old Anapra, Mexico. In the 1980s
New Mexico labeled Anapra, New Mexico, the most lead-contaminated spot
in New Mexico and blamed it on the smelter. Since then three
generations have grown up in Anapra, and the generations are suffering
increasing horrific health problems. Word of mouth accounts are common
about babies born without organs, born without a brain, fused-skulls
at birth are common and doctors have privately told women it comes
from drinking the city water when pregnant. The residents of Anapra
have formed a community group and are fighting to get honest
assessment of the extent of contamination from the smelter. Meanwhile,
New Mexico, Mexico, and Texas continue to turn Anapra into the
regional dumping ground -- siting three sewage treatment plants, a
regional dump, the electric generating plant, a quarry and other toxic
developments at this residentially-zoned neighborhood (platted in the
early 1900s).

[2] Wal-Mart bought several hundred acreas of ASARCO-contaminated land
just north of the old smelter cemetery for a whopping five million
dollars, just after Wal-Mart was cited nationwide by the EPA for
failing to observe storm water rules in construction of its
properties.

[3] The two largest CON0TOPs in the world, designed to smelt toxic
waste (shredded automobiles, sludges) for energy recovery to provide
additional heat for the concurrent melting of the ore concentrates.
But ASARCO never got permission to smelt toxic waste -- they were
supposed to recover metals from all materials that they received.

[4] The EPA began testing and residential cleanups in the early 2000s.
ASARCO had shut down in 1999, claiming a historic low in copper
prices. It wasn't until 2006 that the Federal Department of Justice
released an EPA secret memo from 1998, showing the fake recycling, the
secret incineration of toxic waste for profit that ASARCO's ConTop
furnaces had conducted for nearly a decade. The government had used
ASARCO to dispose of Rocky Mt. Arsenal material (oil bearing
materials, chemical weapon quench waters).

[5] Carlyle Group is an owner of Grupo Mexico.

[6] We believe that this may actually be a sham-intent, and that the
fight is over ownership of the carbon credits from the Air permit
20345.

[7] We also believe that the Asarco bankruptcy is a test-case for
world-wide industrial interests to show how environmental liabilities
can be shed -- passed onto the people who actually suffered the
damages in the first place.

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Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity

2007-10-21 Thread fox mulder
You have been brain washed by the western media which
reinforces your evangalical belief. How do you know
they did it. A great many number of muslims died in
the world trade centre.
--- swalms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks
 of 911. or do they?
 
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 From:
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 On Behalf Of
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 Christianity
 
 
 
 
 138 Muslim Scholars Issue Open Letter to Christian
 Religious Leaders 
 | IslamToday / Agencies|

 11 October 2007
 
 138 of the world's leading Muslim scholars and
 intellectuals from all
 branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi,
 liberal and
 conservative) had come together to write a letter
 entitled A Common Word
 Between Us and You, to the world's Christian
 leaders. 
 
 The drafting of the letter was organized by the
 Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute
 for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan. Though its
 message has been said by
 Muslim scholars many times before, it is the first
 time so many high-profile
 Muslims have come together in public to make such a
 unified call for peace. 
 
 The letter was launched first in Jordan this
 morning, and then in other
 countries over the course of the day, the letter
 gets its final unveiling at
 a joint press conference in Washington D.C. this
 afternoon by Mustafa Ceric,
 Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director
 of the Prince Alwaleed
 Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding
 at Georgetown
 University. 
 
 In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter -
 which calls for peace
 between the world's Christians and Muslims - is
 signed by no fewer than 19
 current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis
 from countries as
 diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, and
 Palestine. War-torn
 Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis. 
 
 It is addressed to Christianity's most powerful
 leaders, including the pope,
 the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the
 Lutheran, Methodist and
 Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with
 Qur'anic and Biblical
 scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets
 of Islam and
 Christianity are identical: love of one (and the
 same) God, and love of
 one's neighbor. 
 
 On this basis the letter reasons that harmony
 between the two religions is
 not only necessary for world peace, it is natural.
 
 As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not
 against them and that
 Islam is not against them - so long as they do not
 wage war against Muslims
 on account of their religion, oppress them and drive
 them out of their homes
 . Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail
 to sincerely make every
 effort to make peace, the letter reads. 
 
 If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the
 world cannot be at peace.
 With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with
 Muslims and Christians
 intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can
 unilaterally win a
 conflict between more than half of the world's
 inhabitants, the scholars
 wrote. 
 
 Our common future is at stake. The very survival of
 the world itself is
 perhaps at stake,
 
 It's an astonishing achievement of solidarity,
 says David Ford, director
 of the Cambridge University's Interfaith Program. I
 hope it will be able to
 set the right key note for relations between Muslims
 and Christians in the
 21st century, which have been lacking since
 September 11. 
 
 One profound obstacle to establishing positive
 relations among mainstream
 Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been
 the lack of a single,
 authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a
 dialogue. This letter
 changes that. It proves that Islam can have an
 unambiguous, unified voice,
 says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and
 one of the letter's
 authors. 
 
 Sources:
 
 Emily Flynn Vencat, Giving Peace a Chance Newsweek
 October 11, 2007
 
 Peter Graff, Unprecedented Muslim call for peace
 with Christians Reuters
 October 11, 2007
 
 Jumana Farouky, Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message
 Time October 11, 2007  
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