Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity
congrats to you Kieth always on the ball Irv -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 21, 2007 6:58 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity Stephen R Walmsley wrote: Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they? You read it then, did you? I'll bet you didn't. So you expect them to apologise for 9/11? Do you feel that Islam is to blame for it? And you think that's what this is all about? Might it not perhaps have a little to do with all the toxic Islamo-fascist -cum-War of Civilisations etc etc etc crusader BS that gets flung about by US nutcases these days? Would you have preferred it if they'd waited for the US to apologise for that first? Or maybe for what your war criminals have been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan and have got the hots for doing in Iran too? But the Muslims are the guilty ones, eh? The full letter's here, why don't you give it a read? http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/cip/documents/COMMONWORDFINAL091007.pdf Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Molloy Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:26 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity 138 Muslim Scholars Issue Open Letter to Christian Religious Leaders | IslamToday / Agencies| 11 October 2007 138 of the world's leading Muslim scholars and intellectuals from all branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi, liberal and conservative) had come together to write a letter entitled A Common Word Between Us and You, to the world's Christian leaders. The drafting of the letter was organized by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan. Though its message has been said by Muslim scholars many times before, it is the first time so many high-profile Muslims have come together in public to make such a unified call for peace. The letter was launched first in Jordan this morning, and then in other countries over the course of the day, the letter gets its final unveiling at a joint press conference in Washington D.C. this afternoon by Mustafa Ceric, Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University. In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter - which calls for peace between the world's Christians and Muslims - is signed by no fewer than 19 current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis from countries as diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, and Palestine. War-torn Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis. It is addressed to Christianity's most powerful leaders, including the pope, the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the Lutheran, Methodist and Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with Qur'anic and Biblical scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets of Islam and Christianity are identical: love of one (and the same) God, and love of one's neighbor. On this basis the letter reasons that harmony between the two religions is not only necessary for world peace, it is natural. As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes . Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail to sincerely make every effort to make peace, the letter reads. If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace. With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants, the scholars wrote. Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake, It's an astonishing achievement of solidarity, says David Ford, director of the Cambridge University's Interfaith Program. I hope it will be able to set the right key note for relations between Muslims and Christians in the 21st century, which have been lacking since September 11. One profound obstacle to establishing positive relations among mainstream Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been the lack of a single, authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a dialogue. This letter changes that. It proves that Islam can have an unambiguous, unified voice, says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and one of the letter's authors. Sources: Emily Flynn Vencat, Giving Peace a Chance Newsweek October 11, 2007 Peter Graff, Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians Reuters October 11, 2007 Jumana Farouky, Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message Time October 11, 2007 =QQQ==
Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity
swalms wrote: Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they? Respectfully that's no more than looking for an excuse to reject something. Anyway what's the word on European and US Christian leaders deploring the policies of their respective countries that result in many deaths? Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bill Maher is buying the official 9/11 BS
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/176.html I think Bill is too bright to buy the BushCo rendition. They got to him. Rosie was the example for the media to contemplate. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071023/dd1c9c0e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Global potential for biodiesel is enormous
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071022-report-evaluates-biodiesel-potential.html Global potential for biodiesel is enormous By John Timmer | Published: October 22, 2007 - 10:02PM CT One of the renewable energy sources that's attracted a lot of attention is biodiesel, obtained by converting the fats and oils in agricultural products into a burnable diesel fuel. At the moment, a lot of biodiesel production occurs in small-scale pilot programs, but a report completed by the University of Wisconsin's Center for Sustainability and the Global Environment (SAGE) indicates its global potential is enormous: over 400 billion liters annually, well more than double the amount of diesel the US burns every year. The report also provides a detailed look into what may be more significant questions: can this potential be realized and, if so, how? The report lays out a compelling rationale for a focus on biodiesel. The fuel can be refined from existing sources of lipids using a process that operates at normal atmospheric pressures and temperatures, and can work across a range of scales from local to industrial. Production works with plants that grow on marginal lands, and research is underway to develop lipid sources from algae that live in salt water. The report, however, focuses on existing fuel crops, primarily soybeans and palm oil. Even here, biodiesel has some significant advantages over other alternative fuels, including the ability to work in existing engines and the infrastructure of the petroleum economy. The efficiency of converting existing crops to biodiesel dwarfs that of some of the alternatives; the report claims that soybean-biodiesel produces a 93 percent energy gain vs. 25 percent for corn-ethanol. To delve into biodiesel economics, the authors obtained volume and pricing information on large volume commodity trading of crops and fats from the United Nations Statistics Division. Operating under the assumption that any volume exported was in excesses of domestic needs for the material as food, they calculated the cost of refining it to biofuels, and compared that with European market prices, which are roughly $0.88 per liter. Black and blue are good: countries with the best potential for economic biofuels Credit: University of Wisconsin, Madison Their calculations suggest that the potential biodiesel production globally amounts to 51 billion liters annually, an increase of over twenty-fold compared to current levels. The top-five potential producers, Malaysia, Indonesia, Argentina, the United States, and Brazil, account for over 80 percent of that total, suggesting the possibility of major economies of scale in these nations. Perhaps more significantly, over 47 billion gallons of that could be solid profitably at current European market prices. The one risk to developing this market, however, would be a sudden drop in oil prices—if they were to fall by more than half, the vast majority of biodiesel production would become unprofitable. The study also examined the potential of biodiesel in developing economies, where it could have a significant impact on their course of development. Unfortunately, many of these countries suffer from instability, corruption, and extensive debt, factors that would inhibit outside investment in biodiesel infrastructure. When all of these factors are considered, the authors identify five countries—Malaysia, Thailand, Columbia, Uruguay, and Ghana—as having the best potential for development. Malaysia in particular has an impressive biodiesel capacity; were it to join the European Climate Exchange, full biodiesel production would produce carbon offsets that, under this cap-and-trade system, would be worth $58 million before it was even used as fuel. The report also considers the potential for a focus on biodiesel production to increase the efficiency of the underlying agriculture. Using figures that are a bit less than two-thirds of the ideal yields for a crop, they estimate biodiesel production could improve the underlying agricultural efficiency enough to raise production to 417 billion liters, even after subtracting nearly 200 billion liters for increased food use. Malaysia and Indonesia account for 75 percent of this increase, so the authors suggest that some of the improved efficiency might instead go towards reducing problems with deforestation in those nations. The report has to perform a number of estimates to produce its figures, so there is certainly a lot of potential for these numbers to not survive the reality of implementation. Still, the clear advantages of biodiesel, along with its largely untapped potential, suggest that it might make a big difference as we transition away from nonrenewable fuels. And if development in other areas goes well, the infrastructure may be in place by the time that lipid-rich saltwater algae are. ___ Biofuel
