Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Rumsfeld flees France fearingarrest
Well all they would have to do is stay within the United States. I really can't recall either of them being globe trotters prior to their election. I'm not so sure the action of the French officials has any thing to do with the status of their balls. They where safely in their home country and if they didn't feel the popular opinion of their countrymen was behind them they wouldn't have made the attempt. The new era of Mutual Assured Destruction will be tempering the actions of other counties for some time yet. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Wouldn't it be nice if Bush and Cheney get chased around like this when they get out of office. War criminals on the run from the law, for the rest of their days. ??? Maybe they may even be made examples of if the international community had any balls, as we Americans, seem to have lost ours. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Honda creating home system for drivers to make hydrogen
Hm. The only article I could find that gives the specs of the CIGS modules is from late 2005, and indicates 112 watts per module... at $509 that's $4.54/watt a little cheaper than retail price for standard crystalline PV, but also a little less power density than standard crystalline PV. It doesn't mention what the thermal degradation factor is... I know that the Siemens CIGS modules had a bit higher degradation than standard silicon, which means less energy production during hot days. Z Honda Entering Solar Cell Market for Homes and Vehicles 18 December 2005 Cigs Typical layout of a CIGS solar cell (Univ. Strathclyde) Nikkei. Honda Motor is entering the market for solar cells designed for use in households and also plans to promote their use in vehicles, according to a report in the Nihon Keizai Shimbun. Honda is building a ¥10-billion (US$86.5-million) factory to begin mass production in fiscal 2007 of solar cells made an inexpensive thin-membrane non-silicon metal compound developed by Honda engineering. The Honda solar panels, first announced in 2002, feature a light-absorbing layer formed by a compound made of copper, indium, gallium and diselenium (CIGS). Thin-film solar cells based on CIGS (Cu(In,Ga)Se2) absorbers are among the leading devices which are expected to lower the costs for photovoltaic energy conversion. Other companies working with CIGS cells include Shell Solar and Würth. Early Honda CIGS module prototypes had a maximum output of 112 W at dimensions of 1,367 × 802 × 46 mm. Honda is working to improve the efficiency. Honda's solar cells will likely sell for some 1.5 million yen each, 20%-30% less than silicon-made cells, according to the report. The new plant will initially have an annual capacity to produce about 30 megawatts worth of solar cells, enough for 10,000 households a year. Initially, the company aims to market them only in Japan. But it will later sell them in overseas markets, eyeing mainly North America and Europe, where demand is expected to surge in the future. Honda is also considering a scheme that would use solar cells to power a home electrolysis unit for the production of hydrogen for vehicle refueling. Honda's current prototype home hydrogen energy systems rely on natural gas reforming. (Earlier post.) Hondaelectrolproto Honda's prototype solar-powered electrolysis unit for hydrogen generation. Honda combined its CIGS solar cells with a Honda-developed compact electrolysis unit that uses a new Ruthenium-based catalyst in a prototype at its Torrance, California facility. The prototype solar-powered electrolysis unit produces hydrogen at a rate of 2 normal cubic meters per hour (Nm3/hr). On Nov 11, 2007 7:39 PM, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honda creating home system for drivers to make hydrogen http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/08/bloomberg/sxhonda.php TOKYO: Honda Motor, aiming to start mass production of fuel-cell cars by about 2015, is developing a system using solar energy for drivers to make hydrogen at home to fuel such vehicles. Individual production of hydrogen would let people refuel their cars without waiting for a network of stations to be set up, the company's president, Takeo Fukui, said. Automakers, under pressure to cut carbon dioxide emissions tied to global warming and tailpipe exhaust, are seeking alternatives to oil as prices approach $100 a barrel. Honda, Toyota Motor and General Motors have all said hydrogen powered autos are a long-term option, though they are costly to build and lack a refueling infrastructure. Our ultimate goal is to use a renewable source of energy as a source of fuel, Masaaki Kato, the president of research and development at Honda, said. So we use solar panels to generate electricity and we use the electricity to produce hydrogen. Honda, the second-largest automaker in Japan, plans Wednesday to unveil a fuel-cell vehicle based on its prototype FCX sports car at the Los Angeles Auto Show. In 2008, the new car initially will be leased to fewer than 100 people, most in California, Fukui said Oct. 23. While producing hydrogen from solar-powered electrolysis would cut carbon dioxide emissions, it is not yet possible to do it cheaply or in sufficient quantity, said a chemistry professor, Nate Lewis, who is also an energy researcher at the California Institute of Technology. You need to do that cheaply and scalably - neither of which we are even close to being able to do technically now, Lewis said. Honda began selling solar panels in Japan earlier this year to make electricity for homes. The panels, priced at ¥57,500, or $509, each, substitute a thin metal layer for silicone typically used in photovoltaic panels to reduce production costs and lower the energy needed to make them, Honda said. Honda has no specific plan to
Re: [Biofuel] Honda creating home system for drivers to make hydrogen
Why would anybody want to waste the lost energy converting electricity to hydrogen to electricity for the car? Ain't it better to just put the electricity into the car and be done with it? I'm thinking the only sense this would make is long haul, since battery technology isn't quite there yet. Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hm. The only article I could find that gives the specs of the CIGS modules is from late 2005, and indicates 112 watts per module... at $509 that's $4.54/watt a little cheaper than retail price for standard crystalline PV, but also a little less power density than standard crystalline PV. It doesn't mention what the thermal degradation factor is... I know that the Siemens CIGS modules had a bit higher degradation than standard silicon, which means less energy production during hot days. Z Honda Entering Solar Cell Market for Homes and Vehicles 18 December 2005 Cigs Typical layout of a CIGS solar cell (Univ. Strathclyde) Nikkei. Honda Motor is entering the market for solar cells designed for use in households and also plans to promote their use in vehicles, according to a report in the Nihon Keizai Shimbun. Honda is building a ¥10-billion (US$86.5-million) factory to begin mass production in fiscal 2007 of solar cells made an inexpensive thin-membrane non-silicon metal compound developed by Honda engineering. The Honda solar panels, first announced in 2002, feature a light-absorbing layer formed by a compound made of copper, indium, gallium and diselenium (CIGS). Thin-film solar cells based on CIGS (Cu(In,Ga)Se2) absorbers are among the leading devices which are expected to lower the costs for photovoltaic energy conversion. Other companies working with CIGS cells include Shell Solar and Würth. Early Honda CIGS module prototypes had a maximum output of 112 W at dimensions of 1,367 × 802 × 46 mm. Honda is working to improve the efficiency. Honda's solar cells will likely sell for some 1.5 million yen each, 20%-30% less than silicon-made cells, according to the report. The new plant will initially have an annual capacity to produce about 30 megawatts worth of solar cells, enough for 10,000 households a year. Initially, the company aims to market them only in Japan. But it will later sell them in overseas markets, eyeing mainly North America and Europe, where demand is expected to surge in the future. Honda is also considering a scheme that would use solar cells to power a home electrolysis unit for the production of hydrogen for vehicle refueling. Honda's current prototype home hydrogen energy systems rely on natural gas reforming. (Earlier post.) Hondaelectrolproto Honda's prototype solar-powered electrolysis unit for hydrogen generation. Honda combined its CIGS solar cells with a Honda-developed compact electrolysis unit that uses a new Ruthenium-based catalyst in a prototype at its Torrance, California facility. The prototype solar-powered electrolysis unit produces hydrogen at a rate of 2 normal cubic meters per hour (Nm3/hr). On Nov 11, 2007 7:39 PM, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honda creating home system for drivers to make hydrogen http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/08/bloomberg/sxhonda.php TOKYO: Honda Motor, aiming to start mass production of fuel-cell cars by about 2015, is developing a system using solar energy for drivers to make hydrogen at home to fuel such vehicles. Individual production of hydrogen would let people refuel their cars without waiting for a network of stations to be set up, the company's president, Takeo Fukui, said. Automakers, under pressure to cut carbon dioxide emissions tied to global warming and tailpipe exhaust, are seeking alternatives to oil as prices approach $100 a barrel. Honda, Toyota Motor and General Motors have all said hydrogen powered autos are a long-term option, though they are costly to build and lack a refueling infrastructure. Our ultimate goal is to use a renewable source of energy as a source of fuel, Masaaki Kato, the president of research and development at Honda, said. So we use solar panels to generate electricity and we use the electricity to produce hydrogen. Honda, the second-largest automaker in Japan, plans Wednesday to unveil a fuel-cell vehicle based on its prototype FCX sports car at the Los Angeles Auto Show. In 2008, the new car initially will be leased to fewer than 100 people, most in California, Fukui said Oct. 23. While producing hydrogen from solar-powered electrolysis would cut carbon dioxide emissions, it is not yet possible to do it cheaply or in sufficient quantity, said a chemistry professor, Nate Lewis, who is also an energy researcher at the California Institute of Technology. You need to do that cheaply and scalably - neither of which we are even close to being able
Re: [Biofuel] Honda creating home system for drivers to make hydrogen
Yeah... there is the question as to why use a system with 30% throughput efficiency instead of 85% throughput efficiency like a battery electric. As far as battery technology not being there yet... lithium ion battery EV's are pretty nice. Yes, they cost $100k so the price needs to come down. But last I checked, the fuel cell vehicles are yet another order of magnetude higher in price... and don't have any higher range than the Lion battery EV's. Z On Nov 12, 2007 9:50 AM, John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would anybody want to waste the lost energy converting electricity to hydrogen to electricity for the car? Ain't it better to just put the electricity into the car and be done with it? I'm thinking the only sense this would make is long haul, since battery technology isn't quite there yet. Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hm. The only article I could find that gives the specs of the CIGS modules is from late 2005, and indicates 112 watts per module... at $509 that's $4.54/watt a little cheaper than retail price for standard crystalline PV, but also a little less power density than standard crystalline PV. It doesn't mention what the thermal degradation factor is... I know that the Siemens CIGS modules had a bit higher degradation than standard silicon, which means less energy production during hot days. Z Honda Entering Solar Cell Market for Homes and Vehicles 18 December 2005 Cigs Typical layout of a CIGS solar cell (Univ. Strathclyde) Nikkei. Honda Motor is entering the market for solar cells designed for use in households and also plans to promote their use in vehicles, according to a report in the Nihon Keizai Shimbun. Honda is building a ¥10-billion (US$86.5-million) factory to begin mass production in fiscal 2007 of solar cells made an inexpensive thin-membrane non-silicon metal compound developed by Honda engineering. The Honda solar panels, first announced in 2002, feature a light-absorbing layer formed by a compound made of copper, indium, gallium and diselenium (CIGS). Thin-film solar cells based on CIGS (Cu(In,Ga)Se2) absorbers are among the leading devices which are expected to lower the costs for photovoltaic energy conversion. Other companies working with CIGS cells include Shell Solar and Würth. Early Honda CIGS module prototypes had a maximum output of 112 W at dimensions of 1,367 × 802 × 46 mm. Honda is working to improve the efficiency. Honda's solar cells will likely sell for some 1.5 million yen each, 20%-30% less than silicon-made cells, according to the report. The new plant will initially have an annual capacity to produce about 30 megawatts worth of solar cells, enough for 10,000 households a year. Initially, the company aims to market them only in Japan. But it will later sell them in overseas markets, eyeing mainly North America and Europe, where demand is expected to surge in the future. Honda is also considering a scheme that would use solar cells to power a home electrolysis unit for the production of hydrogen for vehicle refueling. Honda's current prototype home hydrogen energy systems rely on natural gas reforming. (Earlier post.) Hondaelectrolproto Honda's prototype solar-powered electrolysis unit for hydrogen generation. Honda combined its CIGS solar cells with a Honda-developed compact electrolysis unit that uses a new Ruthenium-based catalyst in a prototype at its Torrance, California facility. The prototype solar-powered electrolysis unit produces hydrogen at a rate of 2 normal cubic meters per hour (Nm3/hr). On Nov 11, 2007 7:39 PM, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honda creating home system for drivers to make hydrogen http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/08/bloomberg/sxhonda.php TOKYO: Honda Motor, aiming to start mass production of fuel-cell cars by about 2015, is developing a system using solar energy for drivers to make hydrogen at home to fuel such vehicles. Individual production of hydrogen would let people refuel their cars without waiting for a network of stations to be set up, the company's president, Takeo Fukui, said. Automakers, under pressure to cut carbon dioxide emissions tied to global warming and tailpipe exhaust, are seeking alternatives to oil as prices approach $100 a barrel. Honda, Toyota Motor and General Motors have all said hydrogen powered autos are a long-term option, though they are costly to build and lack a refueling infrastructure. Our ultimate goal is to use a renewable source of energy as a source of fuel, Masaaki Kato, the president of research and development at Honda, said. So we use solar panels to generate electricity and we use the electricity to produce hydrogen. Honda, the second-largest automaker in
[Biofuel] exquisite performance
Dance of 1000 Hands. Read the paragraph below FIRST before you watch the video website. There is an awesome dance, called the Thousand-Hand Guanyin, which is making the rounds across the net. Considering the tight coordination required, their accomplishment is nothing short of amazing, even if they were not all deaf. Yes, you read correctly. All 21 of the dancers are complete deaf-mutes. Relying only on signals from trainers at the four corners of the stage, these extraordinary dancers deliver a visual spectacle that is at once intricate and stirring. Its first major international debut was in Athens last year at the closing ceremonies for the 2004 Paralympics. But it had long been in the repertoire of the Chinese Disabled People's Performing Art Troupe and had traveled to more than 40 c ountries. Its lead dancer is 29 year old Tai Lihua, who has a BA from the Hubei Fine Arts Institute. The video was recorded in Beijing during the Spring Festival this year. Click http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4478632727623323561 - See what's free at AOL.com. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071112/a2ca7637/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Honda creating home system for drivers tomake hydrogen
Perhaps Time of Day costing will make more sense of this option. In any case the residual heat from this process could be recycled for home use. John Fors -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:51 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Honda creating home system for drivers tomake hydrogen Why would anybody want to waste the lost energy converting electricity to hydrogen to electricity for the car? Ain't it better to just put the electricity into the car and be done with it? I'm thinking the only sense this would make is long haul, since battery technology isn't quite there yet. Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hm. The only article I could find that gives the specs of the CIGS modules is from late 2005, and indicates 112 watts per module... at $509 that's $4.54/watt a little cheaper than retail price for standard crystalline PV, but also a little less power density than standard crystalline PV. It doesn't mention what the thermal degradation factor is... I know that the Siemens CIGS modules had a bit higher degradation than standard silicon, which means less energy production during hot days. Z Honda Entering Solar Cell Market for Homes and Vehicles 18 December 2005 Cigs Typical layout of a CIGS solar cell (Univ. Strathclyde) Nikkei. Honda Motor is entering the market for solar cells designed for use in households and also plans to promote their use in vehicles, according to a report in the Nihon Keizai Shimbun. Honda is building a ¥10-billion (US$86.5-million) factory to begin mass production in fiscal 2007 of solar cells made an inexpensive thin-membrane non-silicon metal compound developed by Honda engineering. The Honda solar panels, first announced in 2002, feature a light-absorbing layer formed by a compound made of copper, indium, gallium and diselenium (CIGS). Thin-film solar cells based on CIGS (Cu(In,Ga)Se2) absorbers are among the leading devices which are expected to lower the costs for photovoltaic energy conversion. Other companies working with CIGS cells include Shell Solar and Würth. Early Honda CIGS module prototypes had a maximum output of 112 W at dimensions of 1,367 × 802 × 46 mm. Honda is working to improve the efficiency. Honda's solar cells will likely sell for some 1.5 million yen each, 20%-30% less than silicon-made cells, according to the report. The new plant will initially have an annual capacity to produce about 30 megawatts worth of solar cells, enough for 10,000 households a year. Initially, the company aims to market them only in Japan. But it will later sell them in overseas markets, eyeing mainly North America and Europe, where demand is expected to surge in the future. Honda is also considering a scheme that would use solar cells to power a home electrolysis unit for the production of hydrogen for vehicle refueling. Honda's current prototype home hydrogen energy systems rely on natural gas reforming. (Earlier post.) Hondaelectrolproto Honda's prototype solar-powered electrolysis unit for hydrogen generation. Honda combined its CIGS solar cells with a Honda-developed compact electrolysis unit that uses a new Ruthenium-based catalyst in a prototype at its Torrance, California facility. The prototype solar-powered electrolysis unit produces hydrogen at a rate of 2 normal cubic meters per hour (Nm3/hr). On Nov 11, 2007 7:39 PM, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honda creating home system for drivers to make hydrogen http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/08/bloomberg/sxhonda.php TOKYO: Honda Motor, aiming to start mass production of fuel-cell cars by about 2015, is developing a system using solar energy for drivers to make hydrogen at home to fuel such vehicles. Individual production of hydrogen would let people refuel their cars without waiting for a network of stations to be set up, the company's president, Takeo Fukui, said. Automakers, under pressure to cut carbon dioxide emissions tied to global warming and tailpipe exhaust, are seeking alternatives to oil as prices approach $100 a barrel. Honda, Toyota Motor and General Motors have all said hydrogen powered autos are a long-term option, though they are costly to build and lack a refueling infrastructure. Our ultimate goal is to use a renewable source of energy as a source of fuel, Masaaki Kato, the president of research and development at Honda, said. So we use solar panels to generate electricity and we use the electricity to produce hydrogen. Honda, the second-largest automaker in Japan, plans Wednesday to unveil a fuel-cell vehicle based on its prototype FCX sports car at the Los Angeles Auto Show. In 2008, the new car initially will be leased to fewer than
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