Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture
Hello Jonathan We installed an Elsbett system mainly to solve the problem of using biodiesel in winter. Our WVO biodiesel is fine down to about -5 deg C, but it gets to -12 C or lower here. With the Elsbett system we've used biodiesel through two winters without additives and without any problems. For two years we used SVO during the summer and biodiesel in winter. Even with Elsbett's pre-heating, the SVO was no use at below -5 deg C, it gelled in the tank, and the Elsbett system doesn't come with tank heating. We don't use SVO now, we prefer biodiesel and use 100% WVO biodiesel all year round. For using SVO at below -5 deg C with an Elsbett system try adding a tank heater. More info on heating here: Biodiesel in winter http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html HTH Best Keith Hello. Lately, I have been doing a lot of reading on the different systems for using SVO. Elsbett seems to have one of the best single tank systems for this. I have made good biodiesel, but with rising costs of methanol, I was looking at alternatives. I have read about fuel mixing and admit have tried the DSE just to see what all the hype was about. I agree that there is nothing really special about their ingredient and most of the thinning and diluting is done with the kerosene and gasoline. It seemed to work fine in my 300SD, but the more I read, the more I learned of the negative aspects(incomplete combustion, coking, ring sticking, etc.). I understand that I should only try things like this for short term experiments, which I have. Is it the FFA in the vegetable oil that causes all of these problems? Is that why biodiesel will not cause these problems, because part of the process removes FFA? I also read about the experiment that concluded that in order to achieve the same atomization as petrol diesel, the rapeseed oil was heated to 150 C. This is twice as hot as most of the 2 tank SVO systems that are on the market now. Would this mean that you would still have incomplete combustion if 150 C cannot be reached? If Rudolf Diesel invented his engine to run on a variety of fuels, including vegetable oil, how come the engines of today require more modification or fuel modification to run veg oil? My last question is concerning the Elsbett single tank SVO system. If you can just pour the veg oil in and go, is there a heater on the main tank for cold weather? I am not even sure that SVO will work for me since I drive 12 miles one way to work. My car gets up to operation temp. half way there. Thanks all. Jonathan Schearer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, Check out this website if you want to see how well some folks talk out both sides of their mouths. http://www.dieselsecret.com No, it isn't Bio-diesel! Yes, it is the only true Bio-diesel! The Germans at Mercedes have been doing this since the post World War II years but we have the only proprietary ingredients! On, and on, and on. Same old same old. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. Friedrich Nietzsche The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sunshine to Petrol
Hi Alan In fact, I'd say we probably agree more than we disagree, and likely much more. I'm sure of that. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh-huh Allan However many people it might be, many of them would probably say as you do, No problem, we can do both things at the same time, plenty of brains to go round and so on. But I doubt it'd be more than just lip service, they don't really see it that way, I can't speak for all of them, but the ones I personally know _do_ see it that way. The way they, and I, see it, it's best for each person to work where his passion is. If it's your passion to go to the moon, Mars, and beyond, then work on it. If it's your passion to teach people in the third world to lift themselves out of poverty then work on it. Let each person work where his passion, education, and calling lead him. _That_ is why I say there are brains enough to go around. It doesn't need brains, the brainwork's done already, it needs will. It's not good enough to do both things at the same time. One of them is a hell of a lot more important and pressing than the other, by any moral or ethical measure, in a world of plenty where we've recently had to agree here that genocides are a dime a dozen, just business as usual, and it's been that way for a hundred years, while we got rich through accumulation by dispossession, whether we like to admit it or not. That has to be dealt with *first*, it's an absolute priority. And in these days where everything's connected to everything else, if it's not treated as a priority we aren't going to have a future, because all other options turn out to be non-sustainable. The same solution(s) to many problems. It doesn't matter too much what people's passions might be if it's going to mean neglecting their obligations, and this is certainly an obligation. Our freedom and our ability to pursue our passions would be all jolly nice if it didn't depend on depriving other people of their ability to feed their children. It's not a question of giving, it's a question of giving back, and not at our convenience, but NOW. ...and if there is a Mars trip it will be more money and resources thrown away, the real problems won't be solved nor even confronted, at least not by them. Perhaps not by them specifically, but certainly by other people of equal intelligence and passion. Not very relevant, most people are intelligent and most can be passionate. Commitment is relevant. I wonder if any of those problems were mentioned at the SF confab you went to. They should have been, they're not absent from the literature. Yes they were. The Heinlein Centennial was a celebration of the life and works of Robert A. Heinlein on what would have been his 100th birthday. One of the ideas that RAH was a big supporter of is Pay It Forward. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward Heinlein himself wrote that it is not simply ability, but the responsibility of fortunate people to help less fortunate people. Right then, let's start from there eh? Among other things. But I reject the idea that it's a matter of being fortunate or less-fortunate, unless you could describe predators as fortunate and the prey as less fortunate, which would be a distorted view. I disagree, Keith. I don't think it has to be an either-or thing or a first-then-later thing. I think both can be done at the same time. In fact I think both _must_ be done at the same time. Any plans for promoting that idea among the 400 SF PhDs or the quite a lot of us who're bent on going to Mars? Or is that it, just as long as somebody says so? A number of them are actively working on both ends of the equation. Peter Diamandis among them. http://www.xprize.org/x-prizes/future-x-prizes Yes, well, but it doesn't need any more prizes or incentives or studies or thinking or discussion, we know all that already. It needs doing. ... ï ONE-FIFTH are undernourished I understand that, and I'm not saying it isn't a problem. It is. You didn't say it's not a problem and you didn't say it is, I doubt it entered your thinking on going to Mars, did it? Specifically on the subject of Mars, no. I was thinking about going to Mars. But I am not one-dimensional. There are other parts of my mind devoted to helping the less fortunate lift themselves out of poverty. Again, I don't see them as less fortunate but as people we've deprived and dispossessed and to whom we're heavily indebted. It's not that we should help them, they don't need help, what they need is empowerment, or re-empowerment, or un-disempowerment, the means to community self-reliance, which nearly all of them had before we happened along. An analysis of long-term trends shows the distance between the richest and poorest countries was about: - 3 to 1 in 1820 - 11 to 1 in 1913 - 35 to 1 in 1950 - 44 to 1 in 1973 - 72 to 1 in 1992 And even further now. Things like microloans: http://www.kiva.org/ Among other things. Currently the future of man and
[Biofuel] recycled building materials
has anyone ever heard of using secondhand packing beads to insulate a house instead of blown in fiberglass? they wouldnt compress like glass, and they can be vacuum packed for storage. i thought of it at work watching the shippers collect packing beans out of the boxes. i think they send them off to be recycled, but how many times do they get carted around the world before they get dumped or burned? _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] recycled building materials
I' didn't hear of blowing in secondhand packing beads, won't be easy because of large and irregular sizes, but shredded and sieved must be do-able, but here in Belgium there is a company, Thiers-Horizon, who for more then 20 years, collects secondhand, used, expanded polystyrene, ( out of disassembled fridges etc ), and mix it with a proprietary cement mix to make a kind of isocrete, called Isobet and Styrobet, a lightweight concrete to make insolating roofs, or to give (big) flat roofs a minimum sloop ( and in the meanwhile ad a bit of insulation value ) before the roof gets a new layer of roofing ( bitumen stuff). They have also indoor applications. Their web site is available not only in dutch but also in french, German Spanish and English: www.isobet.com/site/default.asp?lang=enmaintype=productsubtype=isostyro ... Just as an example of the possibilities. Grts Bruno M. ~~ At 12:56 14/12/2007, Jason Mier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has anyone ever heard of using secondhand packing beads to insulate a house instead of blown in fiberglass? they wouldnt compress like glass, and they can be vacuum packed for storage. i thought of it at work watching the shippers collect packing beans out of the boxes. i think they send them off to be recycled, but how many times do they get carted around the world before they get dumped or burned? _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 13/12/2007 9:15 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO squeeze
I would really doubt a label on the barrel would deter dumpster divers. The only down sides I could imagine are; that by claiming ownership, you would be making yourself liable. For example if the oil would happen to leak into the environment for any reason, you may be held responsible for the costs of cleanup. A cost that could get very high if the WVO ever got onto water. As it is now the restaurants' liability insurance should cover it, but I'm sure a smile will come across the insurance adjustor's face the moment they see a property of label of someone other than their insured party. Rural or not the label may make responsible for any regulations your state may have regarding WVO storage, collection,disposal. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Thomas Kelly wrote: Hello, Is there any down side to placing a small barrel (15 or 30 gal/ ~ 55 or 115L) at restaurants for them to put their WVO in? I ask because I am finding increased hijacking of my WVO. This despite owners assuring me that they tell anyone who asks for the WVO: No. We already have someone picking it up (me). The restaurants I collect from have a nice, friendly, but informal relationship. They put plastic containers (cubies) out for me. I pick them up once a week. I noticed a plastic WVO barrel beside an veg oil dumpster that I used to pump oil from when I ran short. The chef said they put it in the barrel for a local guy. The WVO in the barrel seems to be left untouched. It doesn't have a label. I thought a label like Property of T Kelly might discourage hijackers . or does it just alert the powers that be to come bust my chops? I live in rural New York (USA). Comments appreciated, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] recycled building materials
Hi Jason,Bruno, those styrofoam insulations have a good insulationvalue but are very easy to burn. There is,beside the fact that your insulation could very well be gone after a few years due to incompatibility of chemicals near the insulation. I worked lately with insulation made from recycled paper.this recycled stuff is treated with bore,so mites and bugs wont go inside.It is also kind of fire resistent and the best of all it lets the insulatet wall breathing,as long there is no vaporbarrier installed. A small House,wich i have buildt this year is done with 6' studdwalls,a hybrid between post and beam - and conventional 2x6 lumber.Covered inside and outside with 2x4 tongue and grouve Cedarwood. My estimate is,that i reach a R 30-32 Insulation value.A second feature is,the house was built on very low budged. You con have a look on my website: www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca go to Photos-House near Lac Labelle grts Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071214/ac676c27/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Micro turbines to generate electricity for households
H. Interesting. I assume that they actually meant 3kW, not 3kWh, as a design lifetime of 3kWh is pretty pathetic Z On Dec 13, 2007 11:56 PM, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micro turbines to generate electricity for households http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detaylink=129293 It is now possible to generate electricity using small rivers and even shallow brooks thanks to the brand new micro turbines developed and produced by Turkish Electromechanics Industry (TEMSAN). Micro turbines will render it possible to generate electricity even from a small brook, though it will meet only the needs of an ordinary house. TEMSAN, committed to manufacturing turbine and generator equipment for hydroelectric power plants and designing and producing micro turbines and transformer substations under the supervision of the Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources, has recently completed its four-year long studies and managed to design 12 different turbine prototypes. The prices of these turbines vary from YTL 3,000 to YTL 40,000 depending on their capacity and strength. A micro turbine, able to produce 3 kilowatt/hour (kWh) of power, meets all the electricity needs of four houses -- from illumination to temperature control. Turbines with a capacity of 100 to 200 kWh, on the other hand, are enough to supply electricity for moderate-sized villages and even small-sized towns. It is not necessary to get a license or to establish a company to install micro turbines on rivers or brooks. Anyone is able to get one of these turbines and install it under the guidance of local ministry representative. They will also be able to sell the electricity to the local electricity network. Hamit Akdere, a fish farm operator in Sivas, was the first to acquire and run one of these micro turbines. He notes that this system is extremely profitable as long as there is water to spin the turbine. The electricity generated by these turbines will contribute significantly to meeting the country's energy hunger, Turkey's Energy Minister Hilmi Güler has said on several occasions since the project began in 2003. In the past, people used to say 'water flows in vain and Turks just watch'. This will no longer be the case, Güler stressed frequently. If micro turbines start being widely used across the country, they will supply at least 10 percent of Turkey's total annual electricity usage -- in other words they will produce around 3,000 megawatts (MW) of electricity. TEMSAN General Manager Osman Kadakal pointed out that conventional hydroelectric plants could only be constructed on large rivers with high flow potential, whereas micro turbines can get electricity from even small streams. Kadakal also notes that it is possible to install numerous micro turbines on rivers as long as the depth and strength of the river's water flow allow it. Although this technology is new for Turkey, it is already in use in many countries. This method is especially useful in countries with an abundance of small rivers. Electricity-hungry workshops, like foundry works, are usually established around such small rivers in these countries. The turbines are designed to also cover some major risks. For example, they utilize high-capacity batteries that immediately step in if the turbines are broken or temporarily out of service. Kadakal said the micro turbines are 100 percent Turkish products and no foreign technology was used in manufacturing them. A separate research and development body is employed to develop micro turbines for this. A single micro turbine of the smallest capacity can produce enough electricity to cover all electricity needs of two ordinary houses and costs around YTL 3,000, excluding batteries and other supplements. Assuming that the cost of electricity for homes is roughly Ykr 10 per kilowatt-hour -- which comes out to around YTL 880 in one year, taking into consideration the annual average consumption amounts in Turkey, these machines will pay for themselves in just two years. They also work with no operational costs. The Energy Productivity Law, passed by Parliament in May 2007, allows the generation of electricity from small rivers provided that a person or institution establishes a plant with a maximum capacity of 200-kilowatt (KW). The law also exempts them from having a production license or owning a company for generation so long they use the electricity only for their own needs. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net News Blog http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics
[Biofuel] Senate energy bill: first skirmish over US greenhouse-gas regulation
Senate energy bill: first skirmish over US greenhouse-gas regulation As Congress struggled to shape new energy legislation this week, an equally important fight was shaping up: whether the United States will begin to regulate greenhouse-gas emissions. The prospects for such regulation began to emerge this past April when, in a setback for the Bush administration, the US Supreme Court affirmed that the Environmental Protection Agency had the legal authority to regulate emissions. The wrangling this week over the Senate energy bill represents the first skirmish over what could quickly become a full-blown battle over measures to slow climate change. http://blog.alternate-energy.net/entries/entry_32.php Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net News Blog http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Micro turbines to generate electricity for households
Yes, I am sure it was a typo. They meant 3kw not 3 kwh, regards t ---Original Message--- From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Micro turbines to generate electricity for households Sent: 14 Dec '07 19:21 H. Interesting. I assume that they actually meant 3kW, not 3kWh, as a design lifetime of 3kWh is pretty pathetic Z On Dec 13, 2007 11:56 PM, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micro turbines to generate electricity for households http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detaylink=129293 It is now possible to generate electricity using small rivers and even shallow brooks thanks to the brand new micro turbines developed and produced by Turkish Electromechanics Industry (TEMSAN). Micro turbines will render it possible to generate electricity even from a small brook, though it will meet only the needs of an ordinary house. TEMSAN, committed to manufacturing turbine and generator equipment for hydroelectric power plants and designing and producing micro turbines and transformer substations under the supervision of the Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources, has recently completed its four-year long studies and managed to design 12 different turbine prototypes. The prices of these turbines vary from YTL 3,000 to YTL 40,000 depending on their capacity and strength. A micro turbine, able to produce 3 kilowatt/hour (kWh) of power, meets all the electricity needs of four houses -- from illumination to temperature control. Turbines with a capacity of 100 to 200 kWh, on the other hand, are enough to supply electricity for moderate-sized villages and even small-sized towns. It is not necessary to get a license or to establish a company to install micro turbines on rivers or brooks. Anyone is able to get one of these turbines and install it under the guidance of local ministry representative. They will also be able to sell the electricity to the local electricity network. Hamit Akdere, a fish farm operator in Sivas, was the first to acquire and run one of these micro turbines. He notes that this system is extremely profitable as long as there is water to spin the turbine. The electricity generated by these turbines will contribute significantly to meeting the country's energy hunger, Turkey's Energy Minister Hilmi Güler has said on several occasions since the project began in 2003. In the past, people used to say 'water flows in vain and Turks just watch'. This will no longer be the case, Güler stressed frequently. If micro turbines start being widely used across the country, they will supply at least 10 percent of Turkey's total annual electricity usage -- in other words they will produce around 3,000 megawatts (MW) of electricity. TEMSAN General Manager Osman Kadakal pointed out that conventional hydroelectric plants could only be constructed on large rivers with high flow potential, whereas micro turbines can get electricity from even small streams. Kadakal also notes that it is possible to install numerous micro turbines on rivers as long as the depth and strength of the river's water flow allow it. Although this technology is new for Turkey, it is already in use in many countries. This method is especially useful in countries with an abundance of small rivers. Electricity-hungry workshops, like foundry works, are usually established around such small rivers in these countries. The turbines are designed to also cover some major risks. For example, they utilize high-capacity batteries that immediately step in if the turbines are broken or temporarily out of service. Kadakal said the micro turbines are 100 percent Turkish products and no foreign technology was used in manufacturing them. A separate research and development body is employed to develop micro turbines for this. A single micro turbine of the smallest capacity can produce enough electricity to cover all electricity needs of two ordinary houses and costs around YTL 3,000, excluding batteries and other supplements. Assuming that the cost of electricity for homes is roughly Ykr 10 per kilowatt-hour -- which comes out to around YTL 880 in one year, taking into consideration the annual average consumption amounts in Turkey, these machines will pay for themselves in just two years. They also work with no operational costs. The Energy Productivity Law, passed by Parliament in May 2007, allows the generation of electricity from small rivers provided that a person or institution establishes a plant with a maximum capacity of 200-kilowatt (KW). The law also exempts them from having a production license or owning a company for generation so long they use the electricity only for their own needs. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource
