[Biofuel] HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE DANGERS AND INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES

2008-02-23 Thread Kirk McLoren
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[Biofuel] Vaccine Companies Investigated for Manslaughter

2008-02-23 Thread Keith Addison
See also:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/23/vaccine-companies-investigated-for-manslaughter.aspx
Vaccine Companies Investigated for Manslaughter

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http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthcareNews/idUSL0173467120080201

French judges probe firms over vaccinations -source

Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:32am EST

PARIS, Jan 31 (Reuters) - French authorities have opened a formal 
investigation into two managers from drugs groups GlaxoSmithKline 
(GSK.L: Quote, Profile, Research) and Sanofi Pasteur over a 
vaccination campaign in the 1990s, a judicial source said late on 
Thursday.

Judge Marie-Odile Bertella-Geffroy also opened an investigation for 
manslaughter against Sanofi Pasteur MSD, a joint venture between 
Sanofi Aventis (SASY.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) and Merck (MRK.N: 
Quote, Profile, Research), the same source said.

The investigations follow allegations that the companies failed to 
fully disclose side effects from an anti-hepatitis B drug used in a 
vaccination campaign between 1994 and 1998.

There was no immediate comment from the companies or the two managers involved.

 From 1994 to 1998, almost two thirds of the French population and 
almost all newborn babies were vaccinated against hepatitis B, but 
the campaign was suspended after concerns arose about possible 
secondary effects from the treatments.

Some 30 plaintiffs have launched a civil action in the case, 
including the families of five people who died after vaccination. 
(Reporting by Thierry Leveque; Writing by James Mackenzie; Editing by 
David Holmes)

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Re: [Biofuel] Vaccine Quotes Worth Repeating

2008-02-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Tom

Below...

Hi Keith,
   Thanks for the info.

   I don't think there is a question that environmental contaminants are
having a harmful effect on us. It is also clear that the most susceptible to
the harmful effects are the smallest, youngest, who literally have no say in
what they are exposed to.
  In the area of US that I live in (New York State) warnings come with
fishing licenses regarding eating fish due to accumulated toxins. Pregnant
women are advised not to consume certain species from particular bodies of
water. The very reservoirs that were created to supply good clean water to
New York City have warnings regarding mercury. Much of the mercury
present is due to the way the reservoirs were formed - flooding lush
valleys.
  Mercury emitted from coal-fired power plants travels across state lines
and comes down in our rain.
  It is possible for individuals to act. We can make choices. I am able
to purchase electricity that is from 100% renewable sources. My family is
still exposed to the mercury drifting 100's of miles form distant power
plants. We can shield ourselves and our families, at least to some extent
from mercury-rich foods. I love tuna; I don't eat it.
  There are other more difficult choices. Should a person with amalgam
fillings have them removed or leave them in place?
  Should a parent refuse to have their child vaccinated if the vaccine
contains mercury?  ... aluminum ?
  Should a parent refuse all vaccines for their children?
  Note: I am a firm believer that vaccination should be a choice; not
mandated.
  I'm thankful that I don't have to decide about vaccinations for my
children. They had them years ago when the question of doubt had not yet
visited me.
  I don't get flu vaccines even though I know what the flu is like. I
wonder what I'll do when it's time for my next tetanus shot.
Thanks again for the solid information.

I fully agree with you.

But I think the toxic overload of food, air, water, soil, and 
virtually everything we come into contact with is now so extreme that 
the days are over when we could expect to find single causes of 
health problems. The US uses more than 1.2 billion pounds of 
pesticides a year. About 100,000 chemicals are in use, many unknown 
in nature, virtually nothing is known of their synergistic effects. 
Whole classes of products in common daily use turn out to be toxic. 
Most food is denatured, and the way it's grown it didn't have in it 
what it takes to maintain health in the first place. It's laced with 
thousands of additives, most people eat the equivalent of 13 
aspirin-sized tablets of food additives a day, again little is known 
of their synergistic effects. 125 million Americans suffer from 
chronic diseases, and a whole lot more have the multi-symptom 
alphabet-soup afflictions like CFS and so on that the medical 
profession is in denial about. In the US there is no national 
mechanism for tracking links between diseases and chemical exposures, 
while institutional and corporate resistance to the Precautionary 
Principle continues, though it's steadily being eroded.

All of which makes it difficult to pin down the cause of something 
like autism, and having pinned it down to do something about it.

Sorry, that's not a very happy picture. But, as you say, it is 
possible for individuals to act - essential rather, no matter how 
discouraging the odds may seem.

By the way, the last time I had a flu vaccine was in 1975, as 
prescribed for all staff by the management of the newspaper I was 
working for. It gave me the worst dose of flu I've ever had. My 
temperature went up to 104F that night, I really thought I was dying. 
It didn't last long though, by the next afternoon it was gone, and so 
was my willingness ever to take another flu vaccine. (My bosses 
thought it was funny. Ha ha.)

Regards

Keith


  Tom

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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vaccine Quotes Worth Repeating


  From: http://www.iceh.org/LDDI.htmlInstitute for Children's
  Environmental Health, Feb. 20, 2008
 
http://www.precaution.org/lib/08/prn_lddi_statement_released.080220.htm[Printer-friendly
  version]

  Environmental agents associated with neurodevelopmental disorders

  A new Scientific Consensus Statement on Environmental Agents
  Associated with Neurodevelopmental Disorders,
  http://www.iceh.org/LDDI.htmlreleased this week, summarizes the
  latest science about environmental contaminants associated with
  neurodevelopmental disorders, such as learning disabilities, autism
  spectrum disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD),
  intellectual disabilities and developmental delays.

  The http://www.iceh.org/pdfs/LDDI/LDDIStatement.pdfstatement was
  published by the Collaborative on 

Re: [Biofuel] Vaccine Quotes Worth Repeating

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Kelly
Keith,
You wrote:
 I fully agree with you.

 But I think the toxic overload of food, air, water, soil, and
 virtually everything we come into contact with is now so extreme that
 the days are over when we could expect to find single causes of
 health problems.
.{snip}
In the US there is no national
 mechanism for tracking links between diseases and chemical exposures,
 while institutional and corporate resistance to the Precautionary
 Principle continues, though it's steadily being eroded.

Sorry, that's not a very happy picture. But, as you say, it is
possible for individuals to act - essential rather, no matter how
discouraging the odds may seem.

 The actions of the individual, no matter how seemingly insignificant, 
give strength to the individual, and I suspect, to a growing movement. There 
are many things about which I don't know what to do. There are others where 
the choice is clear. Food: grow your own; grow it right; buy locally from 
those who grow it right. Fuel/energy: use less; make your own; support 
sustainable sources. (others) Each act seems to deflect one back to a course 
in which other choices become clear.

 I'm still trying to work my way through the whole vaccination dilemna.
I just returned from a visit to the Emergency Room at my local hospital. My 
wife put the needle from her sewing machine right through her finger 
...Ooouch!  (She was patching a favorite shirt of mine.)

  Records indicated that she was due for another tetanus shot. This one 
also contained pertusis (whooping cough) vaccine. I asked why there was 
pertusis vaccine in with the tetanus vaccine?
  We had a nice chat with the Doctor regarding increased incidence of 
pertusis in adults who had been vaccinated as children. When I asked if 
vaccinated adults had less severe cases than unvaccinated adults he 
indicated that it was unclear. The severity of the illness varies from 
individual to individual. He said there was now better diagnosis and 
treatment, making it less of a life-threatening event for otherwise healthy 
individuals. It was still to be avoided and that the vaccine was effective 
in doing that. Hopefully the new, improved one would last a lifetime.
 The attending Nurse had spent years in pediatrics and had experience 
with young children who had contracted pertusis. She indicated that although 
she knew of vaccinated children contracting it, it was invariably less 
severe than cases involving unvaccinated children, which she described as 
being definitely life-threatening.
 I have a few more years left on my current tetanus shot  time to 
learn more about vaccination in general and specifically if the 
tetanus/pertusis mix contain mercury, aluminum, or anything else I've been 
trying to say No Thanks to.
   Best to You. Eat Good Food  .  Stay Healthy,
   Tom

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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vaccine Quotes Worth Repeating


 Hi Tom

 Below...

Hi Keith,
   Thanks for the info.

   I don't think there is a question that environmental contaminants 
 are
having a harmful effect on us. It is also clear that the most susceptible 
to
the harmful effects are the smallest, youngest, who literally have no say 
in
what they are exposed to.
  In the area of US that I live in (New York State) warnings come with
fishing licenses regarding eating fish due to accumulated toxins. Pregnant
women are advised not to consume certain species from particular bodies of
water. The very reservoirs that were created to supply good clean water to
New York City have warnings regarding mercury. Much of the mercury
present is due to the way the reservoirs were formed - flooding lush
valleys.
  Mercury emitted from coal-fired power plants travels across state 
 lines
and comes down in our rain.
  It is possible for individuals to act. We can make choices. I am 
 able
to purchase electricity that is from 100% renewable sources. My family is
still exposed to the mercury drifting 100's of miles form distant power
plants. We can shield ourselves and our families, at least to some extent
from mercury-rich foods. I love tuna; I don't eat it.
  There are other more difficult choices. Should a person with amalgam
fillings have them removed or leave them in place?
  Should a parent refuse to have their child vaccinated if the vaccine
contains mercury?  ... aluminum ?
  Should a parent refuse all vaccines for their children?
  Note: I am a firm believer that vaccination should be a choice; not
mandated.
  I'm thankful that I don't have to decide about vaccinations for my
children. They had them years ago when the question of doubt had not yet
visited me.
  I don't get flu vaccines even though I know what the flu is like. I
wonder what I'll do when it's time for my next 

Re: [Biofuel] Vaccine Quotes Worth Repeating

2008-02-23 Thread Kirk McLoren
 by minimizing
 contaminants in the environment, said Phil Landrigan, MD, MSc, of
 the Children's Environmental Health Center at the Mount Sinai School
 of Medicine. Investing in our children's health is both
 cost-effective and the right thing to do.

 The overwhelming evidence shows that certain environmental exposures
 can contribute to life-long learning and developmental disorders,
 noted Ted Schettler, MD, MPH, with the Science and Environmental
 Health Network. We should eliminate children's exposures to
 substances that we know can have these impacts by implementing
 stronger health-based policies requiring safer alternatives. Further,
 we must urgently examine other environmental contaminants of concern
 for which safety data are lacking. 

 The proportion of environmentally induced learning and developmental
 disabilities is a question of profound human, scientific and public
 policy significance, said lead author
 Steven G. Gilbert, PhD, DABT, of the
  Institute of Neurotoxicology  Neurological Disorders, and has
 implications for individuals, families, school systems, communities
 and the future of our society. The bottom line is, it is our ethical
 responsibility to ensure all children have a healthy future.

 This document is designed for researchers, health professionals,
 health-affected groups, environmental health and justice
 organizations, policymakers and journalists to use as a resource for
 understanding and addressing concerns about links between
 environmental factors and neurodevelopmental disorders.



Kirk,
 As I stated, my interest is mainly in regard to increased rates 
 of
autism, and attention deficit disorders as relating to mercury and/or
aluminum in vaccines, and to increased rates of asthma, possibly due to
tricking the immune system with multiple doses of vaccines.

But:
 This is not a rare occurrence. Epidemics in fully vaccinated
populations are a rule rather than an exception...

and

 The DEATH RATE from smallpox was actually higher among
 those who had been vaccinated.

Caught my attention. I wanted to know who is being quoted and where I 
can
find the info.

 I don't think I suggested that passive immunity is as effective 
 as
active immunity. I certainly do not wish to defend the pharmaceutical
industry.

 If you cant find this info on the web you arent looking.
 You can find just about anything you want on the web (or is it at
Alice's Restaurant?). You can even learn how to make biodiesel the wrong
way. Just go to infopop.

 You put quotation marks around statements in your post. I merely
  wanted
to know who was being quoted and where I might find the quotes.

 One of your quotes had a reference, but I couldn't find the quote
 when I
looked there.

 I had a case of the real deal flu a couple of years back. The
 thought
of getting it again scares me; no joke. I refuse to get a flu 
vaccination.
I
have my reasons. Before I tell anyone else what to do in regard to
vaccinations for themselves or their children I want to have solid
information. If you can help, thanks. If not, thanks anyway.
 Tom



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  Soil and Health library had the original Royal Medical Society 
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[Biofuel] mercury is good for you - yes, thats what they said

2008-02-23 Thread Kirk McLoren
Anything for a buck
  Kirk
  -
   
  Sometimes I think I've seen it all. 
   
  Then I watch US TV. 
   
  A medical journal in the US has come out with the criminally fraudulent claim 
that...get thismercury is GOOD for the brains of young children. 
   
  This is where we're at now. 
   
  Drug companies can not only buy garbage research from corrupt scientists, 
they can get medical journals to publish it and the news media to report it 
uncritically. 
   
  See it with you own eyes. I could not make this one up if I tried: 
   
  http://www.brassche cktv.com/ page/280. html 
   
  - Brasscheck 
   
  P.S. Share this video with friends and colleagues so they can see for 
themselves how DANGEROUS and UNRELIABLE the medical profession has become. 
   
  Do your own homework. Rely on your own common sense. Your health is too 
important to leave up to the whims of a bunch of white collar criminals.

   
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Re: [Biofuel] mercury is good for you - yes, thats what they said

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Kelly
Kirk,
 Unfortunately the video did not run.
 Message: We're sorry, this video is no longer available.
  Tom
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 Anything for a buck
  Kirk
  -

  Sometimes I think I've seen it all.

  Then I watch US TV.

  A medical journal in the US has come out with the criminally fraudulent 
 claim that...get thismercury is GOOD for the brains of young children.

  This is where we're at now.

  Drug companies can not only buy garbage research from corrupt scientists, 
 they can get medical journals to publish it and the news media to report 
 it uncritically.

  See it with you own eyes. I could not make this one up if I tried:

  http://www.brassche cktv.com/ page/280. html

  - Brasscheck

  P.S. Share this video with friends and colleagues so they can see for 
 themselves how DANGEROUS and UNRELIABLE the medical profession has become.

  Do your own homework. Rely on your own common sense. Your health is too 
 important to leave up to the whims of a bunch of white collar criminals.


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Re: [Biofuel] mercury is good for you - yes, thats what they said

2008-02-23 Thread doug swanson
Thomas Kelly wrote:
 Kirk,
  Unfortunately the video did not run.
  Message: We're sorry, this video is no longer available.
   Tom
Unfortunately the link was somehow cut up, with spaces...
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/280.html
see if that works...

doug swanson

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Re: [Biofuel] mercury is good for you - yes, thats what they said

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Kelly
Thanks Doug,
   I followed your suggestion. the video did run. Is it only 38 seconds?
   It seemed to end in the middle of the report.

From abstract of the article Mercury Levels in Newborn and Infants After 
Receipt of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines published in Pediatrics 2/1/08:
METHODS. Blood, stool, and urine samples were obtained before vaccination 
and 12 hours to 30 days after vaccination from 216 healthy children
CONCLUSIONS. The blood half-life of intramuscular ethyl mercury from 
thimerosal in vaccines in infants is substantially shorter than that of oral 
methyl mercury in adults. Increased mercury levels were detected in stools 
after vaccination, suggesting that the gastrointestinal tract is involved in 
ethyl mercury elimination.

While blood levels of ethyl mercury (from thimerosal in the vaccines) 
returned to normal in 30 days and Increased mercury levels were detected in 
stools after vaccination, the question remains: did the ethyl mercury in 
stool and urine account for all that was administered? Was some stored in 
body tissue?
 This does not sound like a landmark study on safety of mercury in 
vaccines. It certainly does not suggest that it is good for you. Maybe a 
desperate attempt at damage control:

A pediatric journal has released details of a vaccine study earlier than 
usual to counter possible negative publicity from a new ABC television pilot 
set to air Thursday in which a lawyer argues that a flu vaccine caused a 
child's autism.  ABA Journal Law News Now Jan 30, 2008

 I didn't find anything suggesting mercury from vaccines is good for 
you. The video did stop before the report ended.

Tom

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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:32 PM
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 Thomas Kelly wrote:
 Kirk,
  Unfortunately the video did not run.
  Message: We're sorry, this video is no longer available.
   Tom
 Unfortunately the link was somehow cut up, with spaces...
 http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/280.html
 see if that works...

 doug swanson

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Re: [Biofuel] mercury is good for you - yes, thats what they said

2008-02-23 Thread Kirk McLoren
said it may improve mental performance. If it improves you then it is good for 
you. Mercury is cumulative and VERY toxic. These doctors are as bad as the 
dentists. They CANT admit it is bad. The liability is enormous, makes tobacco 
look like chump change.
   
  Kirk

Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks Doug,
I followed your suggestion. the video did run. Is it only 38 seconds?
It seemed to end in the middle of the report.

From abstract of the article Mercury Levels in Newborn and Infants After 
Receipt of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines published in Pediatrics 2/1/08:
METHODS. Blood, stool, and urine samples were obtained before vaccination 
and 12 hours to 30 days after vaccination from 216 healthy children
CONCLUSIONS. The blood half-life of intramuscular ethyl mercury from 
thimerosal in vaccines in infants is substantially shorter than that of oral 
methyl mercury in adults. Increased mercury levels were detected in stools 
after vaccination, suggesting that the gastrointestinal tract is involved in 
ethyl mercury elimination.

While blood levels of ethyl mercury (from thimerosal in the vaccines) 
returned to normal in 30 days and Increased mercury levels were detected in 
stools after vaccination, the question remains: did the ethyl mercury in 
stool and urine account for all that was administered? Was some stored in 
body tissue?
This does not sound like a landmark study on safety of mercury in 
vaccines. It certainly does not suggest that it is good for you. Maybe a 
desperate attempt at damage control:

A pediatric journal has released details of a vaccine study earlier than 
usual to counter possible negative publicity from a new ABC television pilot 
set to air Thursday in which a lawyer argues that a flu vaccine caused a 
child's autism. ABA Journal Law News Now Jan 30, 2008

I didn't find anything suggesting mercury from vaccines is good for 
you. The video did stop before the report ended.

Tom

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From: doug swanson 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercury is good for you - yes, thats what they said


 Thomas Kelly wrote:
 Kirk,
 Unfortunately the video did not run.
 Message: We're sorry, this video is no longer available.
 Tom
 Unfortunately the link was somehow cut up, with spaces...
 http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/280.html
 see if that works...

 doug swanson

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 Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less.
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Re: [Biofuel] mercury is good for you - yes, thats what they said

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Kelly
Kirk,
 Although I heard at the end of the video that there were two studies in 
the recent (Feb 1, 2008) journal Pediatrics regarding mercury in vaccines 
and that mercury from vaccines may be associated with improved behavior and 
mental performance, I could not find a second article in the Feb 1 2008 
Pediatrics dealing with mercury in vaccines. I have not been able to find 
anything in the journal saying mercury is good for you.

Mercury is cumulative and VERY toxic.
Agreed
These doctors are as bad as the dentists.
I haven't found any Doctor who says mercury is good for you.
The TV reporter seemed to be saying researchers did say it, but I couldn't 
find it in the journal that was referred to.
   Tom
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 said it may improve mental performance. If it improves you then it is good 
 for you. Mercury is cumulative and VERY toxic. These doctors are as bad as 
 the dentists. They CANT admit it is bad. The liability is enormous, makes 
 tobacco look like chump change.

  Kirk

 Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks Doug,
 I followed your suggestion. the video did run. Is it only 38 seconds?
 It seemed to end in the middle of the report.

From abstract of the article Mercury Levels in Newborn and Infants After
 Receipt of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines published in Pediatrics 2/1/08:
 METHODS. Blood, stool, and urine samples were obtained before vaccination
 and 12 hours to 30 days after vaccination from 216 healthy children
 CONCLUSIONS. The blood half-life of intramuscular ethyl mercury from
 thimerosal in vaccines in infants is substantially shorter than that of 
 oral
 methyl mercury in adults. Increased mercury levels were detected in stools
 after vaccination, suggesting that the gastrointestinal tract is involved 
 in
 ethyl mercury elimination.

 While blood levels of ethyl mercury (from thimerosal in the vaccines)
 returned to normal in 30 days and Increased mercury levels were detected 
 in
 stools after vaccination, the question remains: did the ethyl mercury in
 stool and urine account for all that was administered? Was some stored in
 body tissue?
 This does not sound like a landmark study on safety of mercury in
 vaccines. It certainly does not suggest that it is good for you. Maybe a
 desperate attempt at damage control:

 A pediatric journal has released details of a vaccine study earlier than
 usual to counter possible negative publicity from a new ABC television 
 pilot
 set to air Thursday in which a lawyer argues that a flu vaccine caused a
 child's autism. ABA Journal Law News Now Jan 30, 2008

 I didn't find anything suggesting mercury from vaccines is good for
 you. The video did stop before the report ended.

 Tom

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 Thomas Kelly wrote:
 Kirk,
 Unfortunately the video did not run.
 Message: We're sorry, this video is no longer available.
 Tom
 Unfortunately the link was somehow cut up, with spaces...
 http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/280.html
 see if that works...

 doug swanson

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