[Biofuel] 'Wild, Wild West' Mentality Pervasive as Global Land-Grab Continues
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/29-4 Published on Monday, October 29, 2012 by Common Dreams 'Wild, Wild West' Mentality Pervasive as Global Land-Grab Continues FAO chief says private investors threaten food sovereignty of world's poorest - Common Dreams staff In an interview with The Guardian, chief of the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) José Graziano da Silva, has compared the acquisition of large agricultural lands by private investors and aggresive hedge funds to the 'wild, wild West' saying that lack of international structures have left countries vulnerable to land grabbing that puts some of the world's most vulnerable populations at even greater risk of losing their food sovereignty. I don't see that it's possible to stop it. They are private investors, said Graziano da Silva in a telephone interview. We do not have the tools and instruments to stop big companies buying land. Land acquisitions are a reality. We can't wish them away, but we have to find a proper way of limiting them. It appears to be like the wild west and we need a sheriff and law in place. Oxfam International, which has raised the alarm about land-grabbing in Africa and elsewhere has said that it is not necessarily a problem when wealthy companies invest in agricultural land in poor countries, but when families are kicked off the land or less food is grown as a result, that's a very big problem indeed. The problem, according to Oxfam, is that recent data indicates that at least 80 million hectares of land deals have been identified since 2001 - an area 20 times the size of the Netherlands and in many cases, land sold as 'unused' or 'undeveloped' is actually being used by poor families to grow food. These families are often forcibly kicked off the land. Promises of compensation are broken. Often people are violently evicted by hired thugs. Jeremy Hobbs, Oxfam's Executive Director, said: The world is facing an unbridled land rush that is exposing poor people to hunger, violence and the threat of a life-time in poverty. The World Bank is in a unique position to stop this from becoming one of the great scandals of the 21st century. By implementing a temporary freeze, and reviewing its approach, the Bank can set an example to all investors and governments that could help put a stop to these human rights abuses and ensure that investors genuinely help boost development in some of the poorest communities. Investment should be good news for developing countries - but it is important that it is truly beneficial and does not harm people or consign them to greater poverty, hunger and hardship. Speaking to The Guardian, Graziano da Silva said he is doing his best to bring about more co-ordination among the different institutions concerned with food security and suggests the FAO could act like an executive arm of a UN-led group called the Committee on World Food Security (CFS), that includes governments, business and civil society. The Guardian reports that others share Graziano da Silva 's concernts, adding: Olivier De Schutter, the UN special rapporteur on the right to food, acknowledges the importance of the CFS voluntary guidelines, but points out the lack of an effective enforcement mechanism. He argues that governments in sub-Sahran Africa or south-east Asia with poor governance, or tainted by corruption, will continue to seek to attract investors at all costs. The international community should accept it has a role in monitoring whether the rights of land users, as stipulated in the guidelines, are effectively respected, De Schutter told the Guardian. Since there is no 'sheriff' at global level to achieve this, at the very least, the home states of investors should exercise due diligence in ensuring that private investors over which they can exercise control fully respect the rights of land users. Export credit agencies, for example, should make their support conditional upon full compliance with the guidelines, and in the future, the rights of investors under investment treaties should be made conditional upon the investors acting in accordance with the guidelines. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] How to Bomb Iran
Israeli Jets Bomb Sudan Missile Site in Dry Run for Iran attack By Uzi Mahmaini, Tel Aviv and Flora Bagenal, Nairobi October 28, 2012 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32882.htm Iranian warships dock in Sudan, days after alleged Israeli airstrike Naval commanders of two states to meet, as Tehran conveys 'message of peace and friendship' By ILAN BEN ZION October 29, 2012 http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-warships-dock-in-sudan-days-after-alleged-israeli-airstrike/ Report: Intel found on slain Hamas official led to Sudan strike Newsletter Monday October 29, 2012 http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=6228 --0-- http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32884.htm How to Bomb Iran An Israeli attack is risky--and it might not even eliminate Iran's nuclear facilities. By Philip Giraldi October 29, 2012 Information Clearing House - During the Napoleonic Wars, when it was reported that the French were preparing to invade England, Admiral John Jervis said I do not say they the French cannot come-I only say they cannot come by sea. Barring the movement of a regiment of sans culottes across the English Channel by a fleet of Montgolfier balloons, the Jervis comment pretty much summed up the limits to French ambitions as long as Britannia ruled the waves. A similar bit of military overreach appears to be surrounding the alleged planning by the Israelis to stage an air assault on Iran's nuclear facilities. The US media and even some Pentagon spokesmen have suggested that Israel cannot do the job alone, but the problem is much larger than that, leading to the question whether Israel can do it at all. Israel has over 400 fighters, but many of them are configured to establish air superiority over an opponent by shooting down opposing aircraft and disabling air defense facilities on the ground. They are fighters supporting ground operations first with a limited secondary capability as bombers. Israel has no dedicated bomber force but it does have an estimated 125 advanced F-15I and F-16I's, which have been further enhanced through special avionics installed by the Israel Aircraft Industry to improve performance over the types of terrain and weather conditions prevailing in the Middle East. The planes are able to fly long range missions and very capable in a bombing role but they do have their limitations. It is generally agreed that any attempt to destroy the hardened and well-defended Iranian nuclear sites would require use of the United States-provided GBU-28, a five thousand-pound laser-guided smart bomb that can be directed to the target. The GBU-28 is regarded as accurate and able to penetrate deep into a target, which is why it has been described as the bunker buster. Exact performance specifications of the weapon are classified, but it is believed to be able to penetrate twenty feet of reinforced concrete. Whether that would be enough to take out the expected Iranian targets at the research centers in Natanz and Fordow, the heavy water facility at Arak, and the operating reactor at Bushehr is unknown and some analysts have opined that it might require multiple hits on the same spot to do the job. As Bushehr, the most accessible target of the three, is an active reactor, an attack would release considerable contamination. Assuming that the US has supplied Israel with a sufficient supply of GBU-28s to go around to all the available aircraft, there remain two additional problems with the weapon that impact Israeli ability to stage an attack. First, it is so heavy that only Israel's twenty-five F15Is are able to carry it, one bomb for each plane. For optimum use against a target, the GBU-28 also requires a clear line of sight, which means that the plane has to be flying low and relatively slowly, making the fighters more vulnerable to ground defenses, particularly with their maneuverability limited due to the bomb load. This first problem creates the second problem, which is that an attack will require a separate fleet of F-16 fighters unencumbered by GBU-28s to go in first and suppress the defensive fire, further complicating the mission. Assuming that all the Israeli fighters capable of carrying the GBU-28 are available, which would not normally be the case, twenty-five bombs might not be enough to do critical damage to the targets. Perfect intelligence is required to place the bombs where they will do the most harm, an element that will likely be lacking with the underground targets. Some bombs will miss while others might not function perfectly and will detonate before penetration. And before the bombs are dropped the planes have to arrive over Iran. Let's assume that the Israelis opt for an attacking force of 50 fighters, one third of which would be designated for suppression of ground fire. The planes would be equipped with conformal fuel tanks built into the fuselages for extended range. They would
[Biofuel] Global Warming Systemically Caused Hurricane Sandy
Climate Change Feeds Hurricane Sandy Published on Monday, October 29, 2012 by Science 2.0 http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/29-0 Why 'Frankenstorm' Is Just Right for Hurricane Sandy Published on Monday, October 29, 2012 by The Daily Beast by Bill McKibben http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/29-0 Watching Sandy, Ignoring Climate Change Published on Monday, October 29, 2012 by The New Yorker http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/29-8 Global Warming's Terrifying New Math Three simple numbers that add up to global catastrophe - and that make clear who the real enemy is by: Bill McKibben http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719 --0-- http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17606-global-warming-systemically-caused-hurricane-sandy Tuesday, 30 October 2012 Global Warming Systemically Caused Hurricane Sandy GEORGE LAKOFF FOR BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT Yes, global warming systemically caused Hurricane Sandy - and the Midwest droughts and the fires in Colorado and Texas, as well as other extreme weather disasters around the world. Let's say it out loud, it was causation, systemic causation. Systemic causation is familiar. Smoking is a systemic cause of lung cancer. HIV is a systemic cause of AIDS. Working in coal mines is a systemic cause of black lung disease. Driving while drunk is a systemic cause of auto accidents. Sex without contraception is a systemic cause of unwanted pregnancies. There is a difference between systemic and direct causation. Punching someone in the nose is direct causation. Throwing a rock through a window is direct causation. Picking up a glass of water and taking a drink is direct causation. Slicing bread is direct causation. Stealing your wallet is direct causation. Any application of force to something or someone that always produces an immediate change to that thing or person is direct causation. When causation is direct, the word cause is unproblematic. Systemic causation, because it is less obvious, is more important to understand. A systemic cause may be one of a number of multiple causes. It may require some special conditions. It may be indirect, working through a network of more direct causes. It may be probabilistic, occurring with a significantly high probability. It may require a feedback mechanism. In general, causation in ecosystems, biological systems, economic systems, and social systems tends not to be direct, but is no less causal. And because it is not direct causation, it requires all the greater attention if it is to be understood and its negative effects controlled. Above all, it requires a name: systemic causation. Global warming systemically caused the huge and ferocious Hurricane Sandy. And consequently, it systemically caused all the loss of life, material damage, and economic loss of Hurricane Sandy. Global warming heated the water of the Gulf and Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean, resulting in greatly increased energy and water vapor in the air above the water. When that happens, extremely energetic and wet storms occur more frequently and ferociously. These systemic effects of global warming came together to produce the ferocity and magnitude of Hurricane Sandy. The precise details of Hurricane Sandy cannot be predicted in advance, any more than when, or whether, a smoker develops lung cancer, or sex without contraception yields an unwanted pregnancy, or a drunk driver has an accident. But systemic causation is nonetheless causal. Semantics matters. Because the word cause is commonly taken to mean direct cause, climate scientists, trying to be precise, have too often shied away from attributing causation of a particular hurricane, drought, or fire to global warming. Lacking a concept and language for systemic causation, climate scientists have made the dreadful communicative mistake of retreating to weasel words. Consider this quote from Perception of climate change, by James Hansen, Makiko Sato, and Reto Ruedy, Published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences: we can state, with a high degree of confidence, that extreme anomalies such as those in Texas and Oklahoma in 2011 and Moscow in 2010 were a consequence of global warming because their likelihood in the absence of global warming was exceedingly small. The crucial words here are high degree of confidence, anomalies, consequence, likelihood, absence, and exceedingly small. Scientific weasel words! The power of the bald truth, namely causation, is lost. This no small matter because the fate of the earth is at stake. The science is excellent. The scientists' ability to communicate is lacking. Without the words, the idea cannot even be expressed. And without an understanding of systemic causation, we cannot understand what is hitting us. Global warming is real, and it is here. It is causing - yes, causing - death, destruction, and vast
[Biofuel] Tens of thousands protest against austerity in Rome
On Eve of Austerity Vote, Greek Newspapers Expose Billions in Overseas Banks Journalist faces jailtime for doing his job Published on Monday, October 29, 2012 by Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/29-3 Fifth of UK workers paid less than living wage, says KPMG Published: Monday, October 29, 2012 http://www.egovmonitor.com/2012/10/29/fifth-of-uk-workers-paid-less-than-living-wage-says-kpmg --0-- http://news.yahoo.com/tens-thousands-protest-against-austerity-rome-162315680.html;_ylt=A2KLOzJDE4xQfAcAFgrQtDMD Tens of thousands protest against austerity in Rome Reuters - Sat, Oct 27, 2012 ROME (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of people marched through Rome in a No Monti Day on Saturday, some throwing eggs and spraying graffiti to protest against austerity measures introduced by Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti's government. Appointed in November when Italy risked being sucked into the euro zone debt crisis, Monti has pushed through painful tax hikes, spending cuts and a pension overhaul. We are here against Monti and his politics, the same politics as all over Europe, that brought Greece to its knees and that is destroying half of Europe, public schools, health care, said demonstrator Giorgio Cremaschi. Some protesters threw eggs at bank windows and set off firecrackers, but no major incidents were reported. United with a Europe that is rebelling. Let's get rid of the Monti government, read one of the banners held at the demonstration. Unemployment in Italy has risen to 10.7 percent, its highest since monthly records began in 2004, and unions are locked in disputes with companies over plant closures and layoffs. The nation's public debt is running at 126 percent of output, according to the International Monetary Fund. It's been years that there have been no investments, instead it's all outsourced and privatized, we are here to say enough and we hope this voice will grow, said another demonstrator, Caterina Fida. Organizers said more than 100,000 people participated in the demonstration. Monti says he believes his technocratic government will be remembered for having helped Italy pull itself out of a deep economic crisis without needing to resort to external aid. Separately, some 20,000 doctors and nurses, wearing their white hospital gowns or uniforms, marked in another section of Rome to protest cuts to the national health service. The entire system risks collapse if the cuts continue, one demonstrator said on television. In another demonstration in northern Italy, a small group of protesters scuffled with police near where Monti was addressing a rally on the theme of family values. (additional reporting By James Mackenzie, editing by Rosalind Russell and Jason Webb) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Behind the no-nuclear option - Japan
Over a Dozen Nuclear Power Plants in Hurricane Sandy's Path Eight of these plants have the same design as the Fukushima plant Published on Monday, October 29, 2012 by Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/29-2 --0-- http://www.japantimes.co.jp/print/nn20121030i1.html ZERO NUKE POLICY Behind the no-nuclear option New energy policy seen as political fig leaf, given option for reversal By MASAMI ITO Staff writer The triple-meltdown crisis that began last year at the Fukushima No. 1 power plant jarred the public out of its complacent attitude toward nuclear power and every other assurance made by the government and Japan Inc. Suddenly, thousands of people were fleeing their homes in the fallout zones, possibly never to return again, as everything from fish to meat to rice and water joined the list of contamination threats. Overnight, the public developed a collective voice. Housewives, professors, students, salarymen, seniors from all walks of life stood up to demand an end to Japan's dependence on atomic power, and its dangers. People came from across the country to participate in rallies each Friday night outside the prime minister's office to raise this chorus. Then finally last month, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda and his Democratic Party of Japan-led government announced the nation would embark on a quest for alternative, green, sustainable forms of energy and rid Japan of nuclear power by the 2030s. But the new policy, besides not being etched in stone, has drawn criticism for being ambiguous, unrealistic, a quick kowtow for votes - and a way to keep the door back to nuclear power ajar. What are the key points of the new energy strategy? The government adopted the Innovative Strategy for Energy and the Environment on Sept. 14 to learn from the Fukushima crisis and fundamentally change the nation's course away from atomic power. The main pillar would be the complete shutdown of all reactors by the 2030s. To achieve this, the government laid out three major goals: to limit the working life of reactors to 40 years, to only restart reactors that have been given stamped as safe by the new Nuclear Regulation Authority, and to ban the construction of new nuclear plants. The government pledged to cover the nation's energy needs by diversifying its sources and tripling its use of renewable power by 2030, advancing the use of thermal power generation, and securing a steady supply of inexpensive fossil fuels. It also vowed to slash electricity consumption to 100 billion kwh in 2030 from 1.1 trillion kwh in 2010 and promote energy-saving measures to the entire public. What prompted this zero-nuclear goal? Public opinion. The government was initially reluctant to renounce atomic energy, which before Fukushima was the source of about 30 percent of the nation's electricity, because of the difficulty of winding down its vast investment in it. There is also strong resistance from the business community because of the extra costs associated with alternative energy and concerns that the shift would damage Japan Inc.'s competitiveness. The business community and the government remain deeply invested in nuclear power. But the overwhelming public opposition prevailed. Over the summer, the government collected public comments on three possible scenarios for nuclear energy use by 2030 - zero percent, 15 percent, or 20 to 25 percent. Although experts noted that opinionated people were the most inclined to respond to the polls, about 90 percent of the some 89,000 responses chose the zero percent option. I think the government is still reluctant to get rid of nuclear power completely, but it was forced to listen to the public because of the unprecedented number of responses, said Hideyuki Ban, codirector of the antinuclear Citizens' Nuclear Information Center. The people's strong voices and action pushed the government to include the word zero. The DPJ hopes the hedged proposal will win over voters in the next Lower House election to boost its bleak prospects. What will happen to reactors under construction? The government plans to let three reactors in the midst of construction to be completed. They are reactor 3 at the plant in Matsue, Shimane Prefecture, a reactor at the plant in Oma, Aomori Prefecture, and reactor 1 at the plant in Higashidori, Aomori Prefecture. The Shimane reactor is 93.6 percent finished, the Oma unit 37.6 percent and the Higashidori reactor 9.7 percent, but work on each was halted after March 11. Earlier this month, the Oma reactor became the first to resume construction. If the government truly aims to end nuclear power, why is the atomic fuel-recycling program continuing? This continuation cuts to the heart of the ambiguity, experts say. The new strategy clearly states that the reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel will proceed. The recycling extracts uranium and plutonium from spent fuel for reuse as
[Biofuel] Beyond Recycling: On the Road to Zero Waste
http://truth-out.org/news/item/12369-beyond-recycling-on-the-road-to-zero-waste Beyond Recycling: On the Road to Zero Waste Sunday, 28 October 2012 09:57 By Staff, Global Alliance for Incinerator Alternatives | News Analysis This week Other Worlds launches the blog series Environmental Possibilities: Zero Waste, featuring new ways of thinking, acting, and shaping government policy. Each week, we highlight a success story in the zero waste movement, excerpted from the report On the Road to Zero Waste: Successes and Lessons from Around the World by the Global Alliance for Incinerator Alternatives (GAIA). GAIA is a powerful worldwide alliance of more than 650 grassroots groups, non-governmental organizations, and individuals in over 90 countries. Their collective goal is a just, toxic-free world without incineration. Other Worlds is excited to promote the work of GAIA and the organized communities it works with, and hopes that the stories inspire you and others to begin moving your home, town or city, nation, and planet toward zero waste. This introduction to zero waste is the first in a ten-part series on zero waste successes and lessons. The following weeks will feature inspiring stories about zero waste achievements in San Francisco and waste pickers in India, to be followed by additional stories from around the globe. *** Zero waste is both a goal and a plan of action. The goal is to protect and recover scarce natural resources by ending waste disposal in incinerators, dumps, and landfills. The plan encompasses waste reduction, composting, recycling and reuse, changes in consumption habits, and industrial redesign. The premise is that if a product cannot be reused, composted, or recycled, it just should not be produced in the first place. Just as importantly, zero waste is a revolution in the relationship between waste and people. It is a new way of thinking about safeguarding the health and improving the lives of everyone who produces, handles, works with, or is affected by waste-in other words, all of us. Zero waste strategies help societies to produce and consume goods while respecting ecological limits and the rights of communities. The strategies ensure that all discarded materials are safely and sustainably returned to nature or to manufacturing in place of raw materials. In a zero waste approach, waste management is not left only to politicians and technical experts; rather, everyone impacted-from residents of wealthy neighborhoods to the public, private, and informal sector workers who handle waste-has a voice. Practicing zero waste means moving toward a world in which all materials are used to their utmost potential, in a system that simultaneously prioritizes the needs of workers, communities, and the environment. It is much like establishing zero defect goals for manufacturing, or zero injury goals in the workplace. Zero waste is ambitious, but it is not impossible. Nor is it part of some far-off future. Today, in small towns and big cities, in areas rich and poor, in the global North and South, innovative communities are making real progress toward the goal of zero waste. Every community is different, so no two zero waste programs are identical, but the various approaches are together creating something bigger than the sum of their parts: protection of the earth and the natural riches which lie under, on, and over it. Here are a few examples of what is working: * Through incentives and extensive public outreach, San Francisco has reduced its waste to landfill by 77 percent-the highest diversion rate in the United States-and is on track to reach 90 percent by 2020; * A door-to-door collection service operated by a cooperative of almost 2,000 grassroots recyclers in Pune, India-now part of the city's waste management system-diverts enough waste to avoid 640,000 tons of greenhouse gas emissions annually; * Aggressive standards and incentives for both individuals and businesses in the Flanders region of Belgium have achieved 73 percent diversion of residential waste, the highest regional rate in Europe; * In Taiwan, community opposition to incineration pushed the government to adopt goals and programs for waste prevention and recycling. The programs were so successful that the quantity of waste decreased significantly, even as the population increased and the economy grew; * An anti-incinerator movement in the Spanish province of Gipuzkoa led to the adoption of door-to-door waste collection services in several small cities, which have since reduced the amount of waste going to landfills by 80 percent; * In the Philippines, a participatory, bottom-up approach has proven that communities have the ability to solve their own waste management problems; * A focus on organics in Mumbai, India and La Pintana, Chile has produced real value from the cities' largest and most problematic portion of municipal waste; * In Buenos
[Biofuel] Geoengineering: Testing the Waters
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/29-1 Published on Monday, October 29, 2012 by The New York Times Geoengineering: Testing the Waters by Naomi Klein For almost 20 years, I've been spending time on a craggy stretch of British Columbia's shoreline called the Sunshine Coast. This summer, I had an experience that reminded me why I love this place, and why I chose to have a child in this sparsely populated part of the world. It was 5 a.m. and my husband and I were up with our 3-week-old son. Looking out at the ocean, we spotted two towering, black dorsal fins: orcas, or killer whales. Then two more. We had never seen an orca on the coast, and never heard of their coming so close to shore. In our sleep-deprived state, it felt like a miracle, as if the baby had wakened us to make sure we didn't miss this rare visit. The possibility that the sighting may have resulted from something less serendipitous did not occur to me until two weeks ago, when I read reports of a bizarre ocean experiment off the islands of Haida Gwaii, several hundred miles from where we spotted the orcas swimming. There, an American entrepreneur named Russ George dumped 120 tons of iron dust off the hull of a rented fishing boat; the plan was to create an algae bloom that would sequester carbon and thereby combat climate change. Mr. George is one of a growing number of would-be geoengineers who advocate high-risk, large-scale technical interventions that would fundamentally change the oceans and skies in order to reduce the effects of global warming. In addition to Mr. George's scheme to fertilize the ocean with iron, other geoengineering strategies under consideration include pumping sulfate aerosols into the upper atmosphere to imitate the cooling effects of a major volcanic eruption and brightening clouds so they reflect more of the sun's rays back to space. The risks are huge. Ocean fertilization could trigger dead zones and toxic tides. And multiple simulations have predicted that mimicking the effects of a volcano would interfere with monsoons in Asia and Africa, potentially threatening water and food security for billions of people. So far, these proposals have mostly served as fodder for computer models and scientific papers. But with Mr. George's ocean adventure, geoengineering has decisively escaped the laboratory. If Mr. George's account of the mission is to be believed, his actions created an algae bloom in an area half of the size of Massachusetts that attracted a huge array of aquatic life, including whales that could be counted by the score. When I read about the whales, I began to wonder: could it be that the orcas I saw were on their way to the all-you-can-eat seafood buffet that had descended on Mr. George's bloom? The possibility, unlikely though it is, provides a glimpse into one of the disturbing repercussions of geoengineering: once we start deliberately interfering with the earth's climate systems - whether by dimming the sun or fertilizing the seas - all natural events can begin to take on an unnatural tinge. An absence that might have seemed a cyclical change in migration patterns or a presence that felt like a miraculous gift suddenly feels sinister, as if all of nature were being manipulated behind the scenes. Most news reports characterize Mr. George as a rogue geoengineer. But what concerns me, after researching the subject for two years for a forthcoming book on climate change, is that far more serious scientists, backed by far deeper pockets, appear poised to actively tamper with the complex and unpredictable natural systems that sustain life on earth - with huge potential for unintended consequences. In 2010, the chairman of the House Committee on Science and Technology recommended more research into geoengineering; the British government has begun to spend public money in the field. Bill Gates has funneled millions of dollars into geoengineering research. And he has invested in a company, Intellectual Ventures, that is developing at least two geoengineering tools: the StratoShield, a 19-mile-long hose suspended by helium balloons that would spew sun-blocking sulfur dioxide particles into the sky and a tool that can supposedly blunt the force of hurricanes. THE appeal is easy to understand. Geoengineering offers the tantalizing promise of a climate change fix that would allow us to continue our resource-exhausting way of life, indefinitely. And then there is the fear. Every week seems to bring more terrifying climate news, from reports of ice sheets melting ahead of schedule to oceans acidifying far faster than expected. At the same time, climate change has fallen so far off the political agenda that it wasn't mentioned once during any of the three debates between the presidential candidates. Is it any wonder that many are pinning their hopes on a break-the-glass-in-case-of-emergency option that scientists have been cooking
[Biofuel] Testing the new list
Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Greetings from Guam. I got this message. Thanx. Les Sent from my MPULSE BlackBerry powered by GTA! -Original Message- From: Chip Mefford c...@well.com Sender: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:54:56 To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Reply-To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Got your message down in Mexico. Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:55, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
On 10/30/2012 5:54 AM, Chip Mefford wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. It seems to be working fine, Chip! I'm glad to hear you're safe. Robert Luis Rabello Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Meet the People video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c Crisis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4 The Long Journey video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Everything ok from Spain 2012/10/30 Alex Rodriguez enmascarad...@hotmail.com Got your message down in Mexico. Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:55, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @ sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Let's see: testing ... testing ... -D From: Chip Mefford c...@well.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 14:54 Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Got mail,thanx. greece. On 30/10/2012 03:11 ??, Dawie Coetzee wrote: Let's see: testing ... testing ...-D *From:* Chip Mefford c...@well.com *To:* sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 14:54 *Subject:* [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org mailto:Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Testing 123... Tue Oct 30 2012 2:11:43 pm CET CET from Dawie Coetzee dawie_coet...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Let's see: testing ... testing -D -- *From:* Chip Mefford c...@well.com *To:* sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 14:54 *Subject:* [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel (, 0 bytes) [View| Download] ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:14:53 +0100 From: da...@penfold.fr Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Testing 123... Tue Oct 30 2012 2:11:43 pm CET CET from Dawie Coetzee dawie_coet...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Let's see: testing ... testing ...-D From: Chip Mefford c...@well.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 14:54 Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel (, 0 bytes) [View| Download] ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Received Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. -Original Message- From: Chip Mefford c...@well.com Sender: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:54:56 To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Reply-To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Iowa, present! Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:54:56 -0700 From: c...@well.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Tried to reply a moment ago; haven't received my mail back ... -D From: Jason Mier boomer2...@hotmail.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 15:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Iowa, present! Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:54:56 -0700 From: c...@well.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. Keith who? lol. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. I will report that just after I got the notice I tried to respond and it bounced. The reply I sent to your first obviously went through. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Testing ok!!! Edward Cañon ING. SISTEMAS U.D. I Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:50:49 -0600 From: dhajog...@gmail.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. Keith who? lol. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. I will report that just after I got the notice I tried to respond and it bounced. The reply I sent to your first obviously went through. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Message received in Ontario, Canada. Doug - -Original Message- - From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org - [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel- - boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Chip Mefford - Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:55 AM - To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org - Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list -... - I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show - all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. -... - ___ - Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list - Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org - http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi- - bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
working here To love God in the most practical way is to love our fellow beings. From: Dave Hajoglou dhajog...@gmail.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. Keith who? lol. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. I will report that just after I got the notice I tried to respond and it bounced. The reply I sent to your first obviously went through. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Received Jo Simoes 619-306-5966 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Got your message in canada.Sadhbh MacMahon. Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:54:56 -0700 From: c...@well.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Recieved -- From: Lauretta Ayers llay...@tid.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:17 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Got it. Jo josim...@live.com 10/30/2012 9:37 AM Received Jo Simoes 619-306-5966 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5862 - Release Date: 10/29/12 ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Receiving you loud and clear. -Original Message- From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Chip Mefford Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012 1:55 a.m. To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
also well received in Belgium ;-) Bruno M. Op 30-10-2012 14:14, Agriokoniklos schreef: Got mail,thanx. greece. On 30/10/2012 03:11 ??, Dawie Coetzee wrote: Let's see: testing ... testing ...-D *From:* Chip Mefford c...@well.com *To:* sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 14:54 *Subject:* [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org mailto:Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Welcome to the Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list
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Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
working From: david Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:14 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Testing 123... Tue Oct 30 2012 2:11:43 pm CET CET from Dawie Coetzee dawie_coet...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Let's see: testing ... testing ...-D From: Chip Mefford c...@well.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 14:54 Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel (, 0 bytes) [View| Download] ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Working here in the Philippines. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Ivan Menchero imench...@hotmail.comwrote: working From: david Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:14 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Testing 123... Tue Oct 30 2012 2:11:43 pm CET CET from Dawie Coetzee dawie_coet...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Let's see: testing ... testing ...-D From: Chip Mefford c...@well.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 14:54 Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @ sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel (, 0 bytes) [View| Download] ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
well received in Fairbanks, Alaska On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, John Chase jpcha...@tnh.net wrote: Recieved --** From: Lauretta Ayers llay...@tid.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:17 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgsustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Got it. Jo josim...@live.com 10/30/2012 9:37 AM Received Jo Simoes 619-306-5966 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @ sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. __**_ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgSustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/** sustainablelorgbiofuelhttp://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel __**_ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgSustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/** sustainablelorgbiofuelhttp://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel __**_ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgSustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/** sustainablelorgbiofuelhttp://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5862 - Release Date: 10/29/12 __**_ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgSustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/** sustainablelorgbiofuelhttp://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Got it fine thanks Fred -Original Message- From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Lauretta Ayers Sent: October-30-12 1:18 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Got it. Jo josim...@live.com 10/30/2012 9:37 AM Received Jo Simoes 619-306-5966 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbio fuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Gidday from Toodyay, Western Australia, you've also made it this far a radiated Tony -Original Message- From: Chip Mefford c...@well.com Sender: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:54:56 To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Reply-To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
To All: I posted a ad for Sale of my Passat TDI that was retrofitted at Greasecar.com for veggie oil. It's a 2005 Passat Earth Day Car shown at the U. S. State Dept in 2006. I am asking $10K for it. The car has 150,000 miles on it. Virtually new! Would appreciate you posting the notice with the sustainable group. tim Arthurs On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:25 PM, John Chase jpcha...@tnh.net wrote: Recieved --** From: Lauretta Ayers llay...@tid.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:17 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgsustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Got it. Jo josim...@live.com 10/30/2012 9:37 AM Received Jo Simoes 619-306-5966 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @ sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. __**_ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgSustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/** sustainablelorgbiofuelhttp://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel __**_ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgSustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/** sustainablelorgbiofuelhttp://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel __**_ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgSustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/** sustainablelorgbiofuelhttp://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5862 - Release Date: 10/29/12 __**_ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.**sustainablelists.orgSustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/** sustainablelorgbiofuelhttp://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel -- Tim Arthurs RRCA South Carolina State Representative 9400 Park St. Myrtle Beach, SC 29572 843-712-(home) 571-239-2527(cell) arthur...@gmail.com lenahollm...@gmail.com*www.rrcasouth.com* ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Received in Colombia Sent from my iPad On 30/10/2012, at 7:54, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Hear you loud and clear. In India. On Tuesday 30 October 2012 06:24 PM, Chip Mefford wrote: I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
List is working Thank you. -Original Message- From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Chip Mefford Sent: 30 October 2012 02:55 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel