Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
I hope you have a Good Day. The list help me change my point of view a lot and my investmets. Now as much as I can, I use BioD in my same old diesel car ajusting its fuel pump to burn leaner, avoiding the use of a gasoline car and recently I am setting up a 1500 W solar cell system at home although here the electricity is 100% hydroelectric it is not reliable worst in case of emergency. I learnt about new ways in fermentation technology and I appreciated the good will inside list members. Thank you all. Juan Boveda Paraguay El 19/11/2014 12:09, Ivan Menchero escribió: HI! I use it as a Green News Gatherer... very few times I wrote in it but I do forward some relevant links to people. If it disappears I will miss it Regards, Ivan -Original Message- From: Chip Mefford Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:25 PM To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list,your input needed. Good day all; As of this morning, there are 456 subscribers to this list. The recent news of Keith's passing come as sad news to us all and we saw a tiny uptick in traffic over those few days. Since then, we're back to some updates on issues that many of us find interesting by Darryl, and not much else. So, I need to hear from you, as in a *lot* of you if you want to see this list continue. The archives are in place, and as of right now, it's the intention to keep them in place, but I'm uncertain that this list is really serving any further purpose. Keith and I have discussed this very issue many times over the last 5 or so years. I offered to host the list in order to keep it going a few years back. But now that we are no longer blessed with Keith's insights, well, I'm not sure this list is really relevant. So, please respond to this posting with your thoughts. I'll need to hear from a lot of you. --chipper ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel - -- ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
I don't contribute these days, but I read the posts and I often repost. I find it useful. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:25:27 -0800 (PST), Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Good day all; As of this morning, there are 456 subscribers to this list. The recent news of Keith's passing come as sad news to us all and we saw a tiny uptick in traffic over those few days. Since then, we're back to some updates on issues that many of us find interesting by Darryl, and not much else. So, I need to hear from you, as in a *lot* of you if you want to see this list continue. The archives are in place, and as of right now, it's the intention to keep them in place, but I'm uncertain that this list is really serving any further purpose. Keith and I have discussed this very issue many times over the last 5 or so years. I offered to host the list in order to keep it going a few years back. But now that we are no longer blessed with Keith's insights, well, I'm not sure this list is really relevant. So, please respond to this posting with your thoughts. I'll need to hear from a lot of you. --chipper ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
I also continue to read the listings but have little to add to it. I would love to see it continue if there is someone to maintain it. I would be sad to see it go. Fred On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 6:47 AM, dwood...@becon.org wrote: I don't contribute these days, but I read the posts and I often repost. I find it useful. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:25:27 -0800 (PST), Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Good day all; As of this morning, there are 456 subscribers to this list. The recent news of Keith's passing come as sad news to us all and we saw a tiny uptick in traffic over those few days. Since then, we're back to some updates on issues that many of us find interesting by Darryl, and not much else. So, I need to hear from you, as in a *lot* of you if you want to see this list continue. The archives are in place, and as of right now, it's the intention to keep them in place, but I'm uncertain that this list is really serving any further purpose. Keith and I have discussed this very issue many times over the last 5 or so years. I offered to host the list in order to keep it going a few years back. But now that we are no longer blessed with Keith's insights, well, I'm not sure this list is really relevant. So, please respond to this posting with your thoughts. I'll need to hear from a lot of you. --chipper ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
Hallo All, Like Bob, I have been a member of the list since the early days. The list has never really been just confined to biofuel as I recall. If you like you can call the off topic posts as biofuel for the mind. There is so much on this list I see nowhere else. If I recall, after the denial of service attack we had Keith had to move the list and to keep it going he needed money. It was more complicated than that, but that is the essence of the matter. Some of us donated money for the necessary upgrades and whatever else. The checks were mailed to me and were deposited into a JtF account in, if memory serves, San Francisco. Perhaps that could be done again if money is the problem. I'm not really in any shape to take care of the money end of it any more, but am more than willing to donate to keep the list going if money is the problem. I don't believe lack of interest is. I really appreciate the work these good folks have put in since Keith was no longer able to do so. His efforts ought not be let fall by the wayside. He was a fighter for that which he considered good and true. Ought we not also continue to stand by his efforts and continue them? Is this not a worthy thing to do? I'm with Bob on this (and have been with Bob on many other issues. hehe). That is my two cents worth folks. Happy Happy, Gustl Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 6:50:51 PM, you wrote: I have been a member of this list since the beginning of the old Journey to Forever days and have been intrigued and informed throughout. I was especially saddened by Keith's passing as I knew and worked with him in his early days as a journalist in Cape Town. Keith always welcomed off-biofuel topics e.g political, environmental and social as leaveners to what would otherwise have been a preponderance of technology and chemistry topics. Keith was careful never to delete posts that were relevant to almost anything of concern to those open to debate on any subject. He of course was quick to spot trolls and their spoiling tactics and cut them off after an initial warning. Now that Darryl has stepped into the breach to keep the list going I read his postings avidly. My point: let's not kill the golden goose that provides such food for thought. Bob Molloy, Kerikeri, New Zealand. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
See responses in-line below. On 20/11/2014 10:40 AM, DAVID PEARCE wrote: I originally joined this list because I wanted to know if I could turn my waste cooking grease into fuel, which had always been a hassle for me to dispose of neatly and responsibly. Me too. I followed the posts, made some biodiesel, but found the truly transformative thing about the list was Keith's perspective and keen insights as to how the world worked (or didn't), and the conversations which followed from his post of news items one does not see on the mainstream media. Educational and fascinating. I must admit I was surprised when I saw that most of the articles were about geo-political issues about energy usage alternatives, efficiency, global issues regarding energy usage. I thought this list was going to be a more “hands-on” list for newbies like myself about how to deal with their “small world” issues around their homes communities. I would like to see some more of those types of articles sprinkled in to the mix of issues / articles here. In the early days of the original list, there was a focus on DIY homebrewing of biodiesel. As a community, we collaborated and learned, and many of us were turning out some pretty good product. There were other forums for BD brewing, and in my opinion, they were less inviting and helpful. Some really bad information was available in some of those places. I believe you can find the distilled wisdom of this group regarding biodiesel - courtesy of Keith - at either the JtF website (http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html), or in really direct, compact form in The Biodiesel Bible e-book (http://journeytoforever.org/books/biodiesel-bible.cgi). The latter is not free, but the price does help support the continuing work at Journey to Forever. (I am not engaged in the work of JtF; I don't have the patience or energy.) JtF is much more than biodiesel. I doubt I will get through most of it in my lifetime, although I find most of the topics to be of interest. I assume I agree with over 50% of the political views here, maybe 75%. I freely admit, because it is important to be earnest, I did not read most of the global articles on energy usage or other geo-political issues: I just receive too much email in my inbox, and my interest was drawn to other topics. I believe in capitalism and liberty, but I also believe in good government, regulation verification, rejection of corruption, the rule of law, cleaner and more efficient energy production and usage, and generally, trying to lead a good and virtuous life. And I don’t believe that riding on mass-transit or a train, with other people, or watching a movie in a public movie theater with other people makes me a Communist…. I would like to see this list continue, especially if it could include more DIY information, or links to where the DIY info can be found. If more DIY info was included, I would feel empowered to try different things, and I would even write posts back. See the links noted above. If you still have questions or issues, post them here, and start the conversation you want to see happen. Here’s my bottom line, and I’m going to be quite blunt: this list should be turned into a blog, a website with an index, where I could go for DIY info I need, and might also read other stories that catch my attention. This email list suffers from looking like too much text, and gets lost in the background noise of my email inbox. This list is unsorted and chaotic, and I am overwhelmed by the seemingly random topics and long length and “text intensive” articles posts. Go to it. As Keith used to say, the list is not a shop with items arranged on the shelf for sale. Let me know when you have the blog, website and index running, with the DIY information, and I will definitely check it out. In my Safari browser, here are some of the blogs tabs that are always open: “Off the Beaten Path”, a bicycle blog founded by Jan Heine, Bike Snob NYC, and many different Wikipedia pages on diverse topics, and blogs or sites about photography. If this list were turned into a blog, WITH AN INDEX even with a few pictures sprinkled in, it might well be open on my desktop, and not get lost in the clutter of my inbox. If you are looking for an index to guide you to what is of interest to you today, that is really the function of the list archives. Amazing tool. It is the primary reason I continue to post items I feel are of interest, and the reason I try to post the full text of the items - so they are indexed and searchable. Where are the list archives? Well, they are cleverly hidden behind the last line of every post you get from this list. If you take the time to peruse the web page at: http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel you will find this entry: Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
Well, I gotta admit, I've gotten a huge response to my query, and honestly I wasn't expecting it. Aside from the responses you've all perhaps read, I've received many off-list as well. Okay, we'll leave it up. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
thank you Chipper. :-) Michele On Nov 20, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Well, I gotta admit, I've gotten a huge response to my query, and honestly I wasn't expecting it. Aside from the responses you've all perhaps read, I've received many off-list as well. Okay, we'll leave it up. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
Yay! On Nov 20, 2014 5:50 PM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Well, I gotta admit, I've gotten a huge response to my query, and honestly I wasn't expecting it. Aside from the responses you've all perhaps read, I've received many off-list as well. Okay, we'll leave it up. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
Dear Darryl, Thanks for your helpful responses :-) ! I mean it, although I wasn’t expecting to have the task of creating the blog thrust upon me, and if it was, I wouldn’t keep your hopes up that I would be your man! But I thank you most sincerely. To paraphrase the Bard, “Be not afraid of Biodiesel: Some are born to biodiesel, some achieve biodiesel, and some have biodiesel thrust upon them!” (Twelfth Cylinder, Act II, Scene V) But I still don’t think it’s me. I’m a reader, not a blogger, except for this one I’ve started, and it still has a way ways to go, but this is occupying more of my attention right now: Solve the Route 29 Abductions, https://solveroute29abductions.wordpress.com Have a look. Any comments or tips much appreciated. We need to do it. David Pearce, Washington, D.C. Charlottesville, Va. On Nov 20, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote: See responses in-line below. On 20/11/2014 10:40 AM, DAVID PEARCE wrote: I originally joined this list because I wanted to know if I could turn my waste cooking grease into fuel, which had always been a hassle for me to dispose of neatly and responsibly. Me too. I followed the posts, made some biodiesel, but found the truly transformative thing about the list was Keith's perspective and keen insights as to how the world worked (or didn't), and the conversations which followed from his post of news items one does not see on the mainstream media. Educational and fascinating. I must admit I was surprised when I saw that most of the articles were about geo-political issues about energy usage alternatives, efficiency, global issues regarding energy usage. I thought this list was going to be a more “hands-on” list for newbies like myself about how to deal with their “small world” issues around their homes communities. I would like to see some more of those types of articles sprinkled in to the mix of issues / articles here. In the early days of the original list, there was a focus on DIY homebrewing of biodiesel. As a community, we collaborated and learned, and many of us were turning out some pretty good product. There were other forums for BD brewing, and in my opinion, they were less inviting and helpful. Some really bad information was available in some of those places. I believe you can find the distilled wisdom of this group regarding biodiesel - courtesy of Keith - at either the JtF website (http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html), or in really direct, compact form in The Biodiesel Bible e-book (http://journeytoforever.org/books/biodiesel-bible.cgi). The latter is not free, but the price does help support the continuing work at Journey to Forever. (I am not engaged in the work of JtF; I don't have the patience or energy.) JtF is much more than biodiesel. I doubt I will get through most of it in my lifetime, although I find most of the topics to be of interest. I assume I agree with over 50% of the political views here, maybe 75%. I freely admit, because it is important to be earnest, I did not read most of the global articles on energy usage or other geo-political issues: I just receive too much email in my inbox, and my interest was drawn to other topics. I believe in capitalism and liberty, but I also believe in good government, regulation verification, rejection of corruption, the rule of law, cleaner and more efficient energy production and usage, and generally, trying to lead a good and virtuous life. And I don’t believe that riding on mass-transit or a train, with other people, or watching a movie in a public movie theater with other people makes me a Communist…. I would like to see this list continue, especially if it could include more DIY information, or links to where the DIY info can be found. If more DIY info was included, I would feel empowered to try different things, and I would even write posts back. See the links noted above. If you still have questions or issues, post them here, and start the conversation you want to see happen. Here’s my bottom line, and I’m going to be quite blunt: this list should be turned into a blog, a website with an index, where I could go for DIY info I need, and might also read other stories that catch my attention. This email list suffers from looking like too much text, and gets lost in the background noise of my email inbox. This list is unsorted and chaotic, and I am overwhelmed by the seemingly random topics and long length and “text intensive” articles posts. Go to it. As Keith used to say, the list is not a shop with items arranged on the shelf for sale. Let me know when you have the blog, website and index running, with the DIY information, and I will definitely check it out. In my Safari browser, here are some of the blogs tabs that are always open: “Off the Beaten Path”, a bicycle blog founded by Jan Heine, Bike
