[Biofuel] fw: Warning issued over invasive biofuel crops
The Standing Committee of the Bern Convention (the Council of Europe Convention on the Conservation of European Wildlife and Natural Habitats), has adopted a new recommendation for biofuels. The recommendation, which is legally binding to member states, states that biofuel crops of species which are already recognised as invasive in the proposed planting region should be avoided. This has come after the Italian Institute for Environmental Protection and Research (ISPRA) - an agency led by the Italian Ministry for the Environment - submitted a report to the Bern Convention which warned that some biofuels crops invade disturbed areas outside cultivated fields and in doing so can impact on native biodiversity. In response to this report, the Bern Convention published Recommendation 141, 2009 in November 2009. The recommendation says that as it is aware that some rural development plans contemplate the use of species which are already invasive in different regions of Europe, the Bern Convention recommends that observer states should: http://www.newenergyfocus.co.uk/do/ecco/view_item?listid=1amp;listcatid=32amp;listitemid=3646amp;section=Bioenergy%20%26%20Waste ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] fw: Warning issued over invasive biofuel crops
Hello Keith, sorry I've missed it out. However on the newenergyfocus web page is more clear which are the european advices in the recommendation. ciao roberto -- Initial Header --- From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc : Date : Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:18:03 +0900 Subject : Re: [Biofuel] fw: Warning issued over invasive biofuel crops Had it before: http://www.mail-archive.com/sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg74872.html [Biofuel] Biofuel crops: Europe calls for screening Sustainable Bioenergy Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:50:17 -0800 Biofuel crops: Europe calls for urgent screening 'Invasive' biofuel crops require monitoring and mitigation measures The Standing Committee of the Bern Convention (the Council of Europe Convention on the Conservation of European Wildlife and Natural Habitats), has adopted a new recommendation for biofuels. The recommendation, which is legally binding to member states, states that biofuel crops of species which are already recognised as invasive in the proposed planting region should be avoided. This has come after the Italian Institute for Environmental Protection and Research (ISPRA) - an agency led by the Italian Ministry for the Environment - submitted a report to the Bern Convention which warned that some biofuels crops invade disturbed areas outside cultivated fields and in doing so can impact on native biodiversity. In response to this report, the Bern Convention published Recommendation 141, 2009 in November 2009. The recommendation says that as it is aware that some rural development plans contemplate the use of species which are already invasive in different regions of Europe, the Bern Convention recommends that observer states should: http://www.newenergyfocus.co.uk/do/ecco/view_item?listid=1amp;listcatid=32amp;listitemid=3646amp;section=Bioenergy%20%26%20Waste ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] paint that saves energy
I've search in big hardware stores in Italy but none knows about it. roberto-- Initial Header --- From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc : Date : Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:44:36 +0900 Subject : Re: [Biofuel] paint that saves energy Is our friend still on the list that moved to Spain after retirement? Would like some info on the paint he wrote about. Doesn't ring a bell, needs more for a search, any more hints? Quite a few members in Spain. Kirk Every law not based on wisdom is a menace to society. Indeed, but then what's wisdom? The opposite of low cunning, would that do? Wisdom is the domain of the Wis (which is extinct). - Frank Zappa :-) Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Causes of fuel injection pump failures
a friend of mine has a chevy 6.5 turbo diesel. he had me check it out because with under 150,000 miles the dealer had replaced the injection pump twice already. with a little research and i found the electronic fuel pump driver mounted on the side of the pump is the problem. when it starts to go, the engine cuts out when its warm, is hard starting, and usually starts after being off for a while. the replacement modules are a little more reliable and there is a kit to move it from under the manifold to above it. replacing it then costs a couple hundred dollars and about 15 minutes. not bad since the dealer would still be selling him another $2000 repair. Erik Lane wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Zeke Yewdall[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this is a non-US thing, but here, we didn't get the TDI till '96 in the passat, and '98 in the jetta, so I can't imagine that they were making the TDI a full 10 years earlier in other countries, while still sending the standard turbo diesel's to to the US that had a purely mechanical injection, which to my knowledge did not have a temp sensor. Being a purely mechanical system, my earlier response that the no-start cycles sounded like an electronics issue may not apply to them. Z Yeah, I don't think there were any TDI's back then. James must mean just a standard turbo diesel? The only thing electric on the injection pump that I can think of besides the fuel cut off solenoid would be possibly a cold start advance? Shouldn't be able to cause this problem, however. Any pump that old will be almost purely mechanical, like Zeke was saying. Both the fuel cut off and the cold start advance are simple solenoids, so there's not much there, either. Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
Sorry but we haven't been able to serve the page you requested - please try again www.independent.co.uk -- Initial Header --- From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc : Date : Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:59:24 EDT Subject : [Biofuel] Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates _http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-y ou-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html_ (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about- pirates-1225817.html) Some are clearly just gangsters. But others are trying to stop illegal dumping and trawling Monday, 5 January 2009 Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even c hasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labelling as one of the great menaces of our times have an extraordinary story to tell - and some justice on their side. Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the golden age of piracy - from 1650 to 1730 - the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage Bluebeard that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often saved from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains Of All Nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked often, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages. Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively, without torture. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century. They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed quite clearly - and subversively - that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal Navy. This is why they were romantic heroes, despite being unproductive thieves. The words of one pirate from that lost age, a young British man called William Scott, should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirateing to live. In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas. Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it. Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to dispose of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention. At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen
Re: [Biofuel] Algae Oil
robert and Benita wrote: Jeromie Reeves wrote: I think we are going in circles about the same issues. This is a puzzling statement. I've only responded to you once. How can we be going in circles? Poor choice of phrase. I mean I think we agree but I am expressing my self poorly. I agree we need to make things as efficient as possible. I do not think we can get 'there' in one step, or even two. I also agree things need to be done on a more local scale. So you're wanting to look into an iffy process that no one outside of a lab has managed to work, as if that's going to be an efficient use of time and resources? I'm really not following you. (Replacing one fuel with another) I did not say it would be efficient. Many endeavors have been very inefficient but lead to great discoveries, often by pure accident. It is my time and resources to use. I am spending very little time on the algae (to date it, other then my fish tank, it is purely reading/thinking) It is obvious (even to me!) that this is a very long road, if not a total dead end (it has not been proven to be a dead end quite yet, just not the solution some people spout it to be.) I am not about to build a bio-reactor farm or go turn my yard into a pond (well, not all of it, I promised my eldest son he can have a fish pond). I got onto this 'algae kick' whilst researching preventative methods for the pond and how to build the least care intensive pond (I want to be able to leave for a few weeks and not worry about some one else taking care of it) Yes and no, depending on we. I am looking at this because it looks promising but has had so little delivery that it got me curious. Maybe because it doesn't work? Would it not be better to replace fossil fuels with something that could be more carbon neutral? That seems like a noble goal on the surface, but beneath it lurks a business as usual mentality that seeks to maintain our current energy usage paradigm. Perhaps this is not your intention. However, advocating the replacement of fossil fuels has traditionally implied a switch without respect to current patterns of use. (Massive, centralized operations) Of what kind? Devoting acreage to growing algae seems pretty massive and centralized to me. What I pictured was smaller single family type growth operations. While I do not yet have the numbers it looks like it could very easily be done by a small group. It would take a fairly large area altogether. Hence, my contention that it is not a small operation. In the same way that feeding everyone is not a small operation when you add up every garden in the USA. Each one is small but altogether its big. Lets assume that in my idea here, everyone is responsible for growing how ever much algae is required to fuel them selves. If you need fuel for 1 car or 5, its on your head to make it happen. Your underlying assumption here is that you can simply replace one kind of fuel for another. THAT isn't going to work. We have too many cars. Our cars are too big, heavy and inefficient. Our cities (at least here in North America) are generally built around the automobile. How is growing algae for fuel going to work? Oh I think the entire idea behind cars need to change too. That simply was not the primary target of the thought process here (for me). I absolutely agree how we build cars needs to change as well as what we do with them. I have a mini-van and a sedan, when I need a pickup I barrow one or rent one. I know of some people of in Canada that built a 1960's style oil cracking tower. They feed it used oil and pull off fuel and heating oils. It seams to me that algae would be a better stock, and help fill any shortages in supply. The two ideas together seam promising. I burn ethanol in my truck with a few modifications. I can burn woodgas, too. I can burn methane from a digester. I can even electrolyze hydrogen from water and burn THAT if I want to. I can also pick up a lightweight glider from the wrecking yard and build an EV. All of those solutions can be done on a small scale and are likely more practical than growing algae in vats or vertical tubes in a greenhouse. Homebrew ethanol isn't legal where I live, but that would be the easiest solution to making fuel for my little truck. The problem really isn't one of generating fuel. The real problem is the truck itself. How EVER did my ancestors live without one? I have plans to convert my `81 sedan over to something, I just have not decided what. Propane was looking promising but it has spiked in price. I do not feel comfortable with the current tanks for hydrogen. There were some very promising metal hydride tanks but the components were made illegal (with cause, they are toxic if some one dumps
[Biofuel] The compressed air auto... a hoax or real?
A while back I saw some video clips on U tube about a car developed in Europe, Italy or France I believe that runs on compressed air. It had some huge special carbon fiber tanks underneath the car that were used to hold compressed air at 3000 p.s.i. The inventer claimed it could be filled with air overnight at the cost of aprox. $3 in electricity and the range was about 200 Kilometers. Indias largest car manufacturer was supposed to actually start building this in 2009 or 2010. Anybody know the real story on this? Thanks, Ray Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tEH3YhKl5WWRprv1hgZCcerajFTZ4OfKAejaFn0A3LGP7wJ/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Elsbett installation saga
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Re: [Biofuel] any info about Namibia
I grew up there in the 70's and 80's, it was occupied by South Africa at that stage and being used as a base to fight the communists in Angola. Since independance in 1990 it's been a stable, peaceful country. It has a checkered, and brutal, colonial history.(Read Andre Brink's harrowing The Other Side of Silence for an idea of the country and the landscape.) It was a German colony for many years before the 1st world war, and there are still many people of German decent. You'll find bernerwurst, sauerkraut and even a bierfest in October. There is a diverse idigenous population; the Ovambo, Damara and Herero in the North and the San and Khoi in the South. The total population is about 2m. Hot and tropical in the north and hot and arid further south. I guess you'll find more information on the net, and maybe even get some comments from people living there. You find that it doesn't deserve exclamation marks. I'm sure your daughter will enjoy the trip. Regards, Duncan No, this is not a travel agency list. Sorry! Here's the deal: One of our many daughters has just scored a research grant for credit in her undergrad science degree at U. Of Toronto, two months centred in a hospital in Namibia Many exclamation marks. Does anything we should know just spring to mind, anyone?? First thing I did was run out and rent a copy of Amandla! A Revolution in Four-Part Harmony, which ROCKED, but was not actually the right country. Jesse __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Precision Farming Equippment
James wrote: Hi all, you can view the green taxing proposals by David Millband to Gordon Brown as was leaked to the UK press over weekend here... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/29/umemo.xml Here's a proposal on aggriculture (p5 para 16) that cought my attention... To offer enhanced capital allowances for precision farming equippment - devices that allow farmers to tailor crops and soil management to the exact conditions within each field, reducing their environmental impact. I wonder what he's on about here? James I've just been reading through a call for research proposals by the European Commission, 7th FRAMEWORK PROGRAMME (http://ec.europa.eu/research/future/index_en.cfm) There is one specifc call that relates to this ( light equipment, ICT and robotics - which I guess will fall in the category for 'enhcnaced capital allowances'): COOP-2-1-4-03: The farm of tomorrow Call: KBBE-2007-1 The farm of tomorrow will take account of Europe`s ecological and cultural diversity, will be non-uniform, will built on technological, social and economic innovations and a variety of research outputs. The specific main issues facing the farm of tomorrow are: New models of farm material flow management, based on on-farm or local integration of closed-cycle processing facilities (energy, food/non-food raw materials, bio-refining). Energy efficient cultivation with light machinery (avoiding soil compaction), precision farming, and robotics are important components, considering special requirements for high value markets, like organic agriculture. Integrated technologies and ICT tools are needed to make cost efficient compliance with standards (public and private) an integral part of farm operations. The multifunctional European farming model delivering public goods (environment, landscape, social functions) in an efficient way needs research support to integrate, assess and quantify these services and linkage (e.g. rural tourism) to the rural economy. Funding scheme: Small collaborative project /Coordination and support action Expected impact: The project will increase competitiveness of farming in less protected markets, will increase viability of rural areas and improve competitiveness of the European farm machinery industry. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Seeds of Hope, Monsanto and Mercatus Center
Hi All, Monsanto recently launched a product called 'Seeds of Hope' - promoted locally (in South Africa) by the worst forms of marketing cynicism. Were also being told how marvelous this product is by a research outfit called Enterprise Africa! and the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. (I dont like promoting them but for reference purposes http://www.freemarketfoundation.com.) Enterprise Africa! appears to have links with the Free Market Foundation of which Monsanto is a Senior Corporate Member having paid between R100 00-00 and R10 000-00 (+- $14 000-00 to $1 400-00) for this title. My questions to the group are two: does anyone know of any Monsanto funding of the Mercatus Centre? Im also looking for honest research on this Seeds of Hope product? Regards, Duncan mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol
Dear Khin Wei Chong, If you want I've got the real technology, how to produce the methanol and the derivate comppounds. Best regards. Dr. Ezio Di Bernardo Hi, Im interested in getting methanol within the south east asian region. Would appreciate if anyone could provide me some assistance on where I can obtain methanol or provide me some quotes. Thanks. Joe Street wrote: Hi Jim; Ok I made up a graph by adding water one ml at a time to 90 ml of pure methanol. This was done at 23 degrees C which is the current temperature in my work area. The hydrometers are calibrated for 15 degrees so this is more practical for my purposes. As far as Bob's comment on what glycerin in the recovered methanol will do to the specific gravity, I cannot guess but glycerin has a pretty high boiling point and my recovered methanol looks water clear so there is not much glycerin in there I think. I am going to assume it is negligible. Primarily I am doing this just to determine roughly how much zeolite I need to dry the methanol. I will err on the conservative side with this. It looks like my recovered methanol has less than 10 % water (worst case) so a litre of methanol should have less than 100 grams of water in it. If zeolite can adsorb 10% of it's weight in water then 1Kg of zeolite per litre of methanol should be sufficient. Here is the chart. Since I typically recover less than 3 litres of methanol at a time I'll look for a molecular seive which holds at least 3 Kg of zeolite. BTW I know it was mentioned before and is in the archives but for convenience the type of seives to use for this is 3A. Best place for this is in the pipe upstream of the condenser. I'll get a trap with a built in heater so I can use my vacuum system to regenerate the seives. I'll then see how much water comes out of the zeolite and collects in the trap. I'll be interested to see if the numbers match up. So will I keep me posted Joe. Jim Cheers Joe Graph of methanol_water specific gravity. JJJN wrote: Does any one know of a good test to determine the amount of water in methanol? Joe were you working on something like this? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel advice
Hi Edro, 1/ On a 80 liter WVO batch I use 18 liters of Methanol with the required amount of KOH, and I extract around 15 liters of glycerine. After the required washes (mechanical stirwash) I have around 70 liters of biodiesel. Does the above figures sound normal? Shouldn't the biodiesel be more than just 70 liters? 70 liters doesn't sound bad. What does the waste oil titrate to? 3/ Oxydation stability: What is the use by date of biodiesel made from sunflower WVO? Some rumours state 3 months, others 6 months, others still 8-12 months. The biodiesel is stored in normal ventilated diesel tanks, but without flowing free air. I make and use biodiesel about a month now, so, although I am impressed with the audible results in the tractors and the clean exhaust fumes, I am still somewhat nervous. Dieselpumps are expensive to repair in my neighbourhood. I assume you've done the quality tests as on http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality? And found it to be okay - it's a fact that quality biodiesel will not harm your engine. If you'd like someone else to check I'm busy getting a GC set-up at WITS, in Johannesburg, where we'll be able to test glycerides. I'd like to use this to get an idea of the quality of biodiesel produced by small guys - so that when the inevitable small-scale producers can't make quality fuel comments come from Big-Biofuel we'll have some back-up. I hope to have it running in the next 4 weeks. I was at the SABA (South African Biofuels Assc.) meeting on Saturday where there was a requirement from a number of small producers to have access to cheaper testing facilities (I've been quoted R4000 for a GC test before). So there is a general requirement - I'll let the group know if I hear of companies that can do reasonably priced testing. B.t.w. where is your farm? Regards, Duncan mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Emission Factors for Bio-diesel vs. Diesel
You can find something in European Environment Agency, the web is www.eea.eu.int . Best regards Ezio Do you know where I could find more information about emission reductions from soy and rapeseeds? I know that the overall reduction (eg., life cycle assessments) is close to nothing if not greater than regular diesel. Sarath ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] HELP
Alex Mashego wrote: hi guys i need help, i have a task to design a heat exchanger to cool 78% sulphuric acid, but i cant seem to find the chemical and physical properties any where, can any if you help me in this regard. thank you regards Alex Alex, I just did a Google search for sulphuric acid and found several sites with the info you are looking for. I cut and pasted one listing below if you don't have access to the web. Glenn. Sulphuric Acid A molecule of Sulphuric Acid, H2SO4, consists of two atoms of hydrogen, one atom of sulphur and four atoms of oxygen Sulphuric acid is a colourless viscous corrosive oily liquid, which has * Melting Point : 10.3 degC * Boiling Point : 338 degC * Formula weight 98.08 * Specific gravity or density 1.94 * Flash point none Sulphuric acid is the strong acid produced by dissolving sulphur trioxide in water. SO3 + H2O == H2SO4 The Strength of Acids is determined by the degree to which they are ionised in aqueous solution. For example, Sulphuric Acid, H2SO4, which is a strong acid is fully dissociated, and all the displaceable hydrogen in the acid is present in solution as Hydrogen Ion, H(+). H2SO4 == H(+) + SO4 100% as H(+) In contrast, the weak acids ethanoic acid, CH3COOH, is partially ionised in solution, and only approximately 5% of the displaceable Hydrogen in the acid is present in solution as hydrogen ion, H(+). CH3COOH == H(+) + CH3COO(-) 5% as H(+) Properties of Sulphuric Acid * Sulphuric acid is a powerful protonating agent. * It is also a moderately strong oxidizing agent. * Sulphuric acid is also a powerful dehydrating agent and is used to remove a molecule of water from many organic compounds. * In dilute solution, sulphuric acid is a strong dibasic acid forming two series of salts. A Dibasic Acid has two acidic hydrogen atoms in its molecules which can be ionised. Sulphuric Acid, H2SO4, is a dibasic acid, because it contains two hydrogens atoms which ionise in aqueous solution to become Hydrogen Ions, H(+). H2SO4==2 H(+)+SO4(2 -) Sulphuric acid is an important industrial chemical and it has many uses as a strong oxidising agent and a powerful dehydrating agent. Commercially available sulphuric acid is as a 96-98% solution of the acid in water. It is a powerful protonating agent. It is also a powerful dehydrating agent and is used to remove a molecule of Water, HO2, from many organic compounds. The Dehydration Reactions of Alcohols results in their converted into an alkene, and involves the elimination of a molecule of water. Dehydration requires the presence of an acid and the application of heat. Preparation of Sulphuric Acid Combustion of Sulphur When a small amount of Sulphur, S, is kindled on a deflagrating spoon, it burns with a bright blue flame when introduced into a gas jar containing Oxygen, O2. A gas, Sulphur Dioxide, SO2, is the main product of the combustion. However, a little Sulphur Trioxide, SO3, is also formed, which makes the gas slightly cloudy. S + O2 ==SO2 Sulphur Dioxide 2S + 3O2 == 2SO3 Sulphur Trioxide When shaken with water, the products of combustion dissolve, forming an acidic solution which turns litmus red. SO2 + H2O == H2SO3 Sulphur Sulphurous Dioxide Acid SO2 + H2O == H2SO4 Sulphur Sulphuric TrioxideAcid Manufacture of Sulphuric Acid Sulphuric acid was manufactured by the lead-chamber process until the mid-1930s, but this process has now been replaced by the contact process, involving the catalytic oxidation of sulphur dioxide. Properties of Sulphuric Acid The Contact Process is used for manufacturing sulphuric acid and fuming sulphuric acid from sulphur dioxide, which is made by burning sulphur or by roasting sulphide ores and oxygen (in the form of air) which combine to form sulphur trioxide in the presence of a catalyst. The reaction is exothermic and the conditions are controlled to keep the temperature at 450 degC. The catalyst used is valadium oxide (V2O5). The sulphur trioxide is dissolved in sulphuric acid to form fuming sulphuric acid, this is called oleum. S(s)+ O2(g) == SO2(g) Sulphur Dioxide 2SO2(g) + O2(g) == 2SO3(g) Sulphur Trioxide SO3(g) + H2SO4(l)== H2S2O7(l)
[Biofuel] I need some information about coal gassification simulation
I am using the program Aspen, I view some possibilities about equation Redlich-Kwong and I think that it's betteer to analysed the system with Gibbs Free Energy. I need some helps, how to implementation e miscellaneous gas, that produced from e gassifier. Who can help me? Thanks a lot. Best regards Ezio ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Plants produce alternative energy
I am cooordinating a work that regard three steps essication, pirolysis and gasification. I need some bibliography at a single process. My biofuel are different tipologies (for exemple reflue zootecchnic or CDR .). Who can help me? Thanks a lot at the all. Ezio ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients
I've got an idea about the crop food, that consist in this sentence scheme: produce renevable energy - carbon dioxide+NOx+SOx and so on mixed ashes with other nutrient derived solid substance after fermentation good quality crop food. Bye Ezio Quite right Doug. Best wishes Keith Organically grown crops tend to have their nitrogen in complete proteins. Plants grown with large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer tend to have a certain content of free amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) in the plant sap which the plant-eating (juice sucking) insects find very convenient. It saves them considerable energy which they would otherwise have to use to chew leaves etc. and digest proteins. Doug Woodard St. Catahrines, Ontario, Canada On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Keith Addison wrote: [snip] Anyway, when chemists look at plants and/or soil and start talking about nitrogen, beware!!! For a start, nitrogen may be a plant nutrient, but it isn't a people nutrient. Do you know how they measure protein content in crops? They don't, they measure the nitrogen content instead and multiply by, by what, 6.14, IIRC, the ratio of N in protein, and, hey, that's the protein content. Only it turns out that the more N in the form of NPK chemical fertiliser was used to grow the crop (or maybe just pump it up and paint it green) the more likely it is that a lot of the alleged protein content will be nitrates and nitrites and other semi-synthesised stuff that's not only not exactly nutritious it can be downright toxic. The N in your compost, however, is different: it doesn't deplete the soil O/M, it doesn't wreck the soil pH, nor the soil life, it doesn't make dead pools in the Gulf of Mexico or anything like that, it just steadily becomes available to the roots as the plants need it, and, along with all the other effects of your compost - primarily biological effects - it helps the plants build real protein. But the difference will not only not be apparent to said chemist, he'll probably deny it exists, thus flying in the face of a large amount of scientific evidence, and a vast amount of other evidence. Of course there are chemists and chemists, just the same as there are fertilisers and fertilisers. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Libero Flat, sempre a 4 Mega a 19,95 euro al mese! Abbonati subito su http://www.libero.it ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients
Doug wrote: "Organically grown crops tend to have their nitrogen in complete proteins. Plants grown with large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer tend to have a certain content of free amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) in the plant sap which the plant-eating (juice sucking) insects find very convenient. It saves them considerable energy which they would otherwise have to use to chew leaves etc. and digest proteins." The artice I quoted (Planet of the Plants By Glenn SchererPosted July 25, 2005) also said the things below about insects eating more because of nutrients dropping. I hope this is also something we can deal with. Marilyn "CO2-induced nitrogen deficiency in plants has already been shown to affect herbivorous insects and the carnivores that eat them. To make up for the plunge in plant protein, some plant-eating insects must dramatically increase their intake of vegetation. But unable to keep up with the need to eat enough food, some bugs suffer increased malnutrition, starvation, predation, and mortality, writes evolutionary biologist David Seaborg in a recent issue of Earth Island Journal. When Western Michigan University entomologist David Karowe fed cabbage white butterfly caterpillars leaves grown in an atmosphere with double the earth's current CO2 levels, the insects ate about 40 percent more plant matter than under current atmospheric conditions. But they still couldn't meet their dietary needs. Their growth rate slowed by about 10 percent and their adult size was smaller. Peter Stiling at the University of South Florida made similar findings for leaf miners, insects that eat out tiny caverns in leaves where they live. When they took up housekeeping in CO2-enriched leaves, the insects had to eat out 20 percent larger leaf homes. But the bugs were still twice More CO2 More vgetation This concept is very important to develope the crop-food. Sincerily Ezio as likely to die of starvation as insects living at today's CO2 levels. As serious as these results seem, no one should jump to conclusions, says William Mattson, chief insect ecologist with the U.S. Forest Service in Rhinelander, Wis. He has spent the past five years monitoring 10 insect species and found they react differently to raised CO2 levels and lowered nitrogen levels, with some showing no change and others harmed, and no clear pattern yet in sight. He worries, though, that CO2 fertilization and nitrogen depletion could combine to alter insect balances in unexpected ways. For example, the leaf miners described above were also four times more likely to be killed by parasitic wasps -- bad news for the miners but good news for the wasps. In another study, aphids reproduced 10 to 15 percent faster in enriched CO2 atmospheres -- good for the aphids, but bad for the crops they infest."___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Libero Flat, sempre a 4 Mega a 19,95 euro al mese! Abbonati subito su http://www.libero.it ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients
The concentration in atmosphere depend from the deforestation. If you cultivate in extreme condition of temperature high concetration of CO2 and other nutrients, you obtain a big results in quantiyt and quality. Is it clear? I hope yes. Wishes Ezio Libero Flat, sempre a 4 Mega a 19,95 euro al mese! Abbonati subito su http://www.libero.it ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] formula for a 55 gallon
how much ethanol to used for a 35gallon wvo. and how much lye. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] america who found it?
1421 china ? sailed around the world? http://www.1421.tv/ ___ Get Juno Platinum for as low as $6.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/bestoffer to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re:[Biofuel] vegetable oils prices in Greece
EN 14214 - Automotive fuels. Fatty acid methyl esters (FAME) for diesel engines. Requirements and test methodsTabella elaborata e tradotta dal CTI a solo scopo dimostrativo. L'unico documento valido è il testo originale EN acquistabile presso l'UNI Caratteristica Unità di misura Valori Metodo di misura Min Max Contenuto di esteri % (m/m) 96.5 EN 14103 Densità a 15°C kg/m^3 860 900 EN ISO 3675EN ISO 12185 Viscosità a 40 °C mm^2/s 3.50 5.00 EN ISO 3104 Flash point °C 120 prEN ISO 3679 Zolfo mg/kg 10.0 prEN ISO 20846prEN ISO 20884 Residuo carbonioso % (m/m) 0.30 EN ISO 10370 Numero di cetano 51.0 EN ISO 5165 Ceneri solforate % (m/m) 0.02 ISO 3987 Contenuto di acqua mg/kg 500 EN ISO 12937 Contaminazione totale mg/kg 24 EN 12662 Corrosione su rame Classe 1 EN ISO 2160 Stabilità all'ossidazione, 110 °C h (ore) 6.0 EN 14112 Acidità mg KOH/g 0.5 EN 14104 Numero di Iodio gr I2/100 gr 120 EN 14111 Metil estere dell'acido linolenico % (m/m) 12.0 EN 14103 Metilesteri polinsaturi = 4 doppi legami % (m/m) 1 Metanolo % (m/m) 0.20 EN 14110 Monogliceridi % (m/m) 0.80 EN 14105 Digliceridi % (m/m) 0.20 EN 14105 Trigliceridi % (m/m) 0.20 EN 14105 Glicerolo libero % (m/m) 0.02 EN 14105EN 14106 Glicerolo totale % (m/m) 0.25 EN 14105 Metalli gruppo I (Na+K) mg/kg 5.0 EN 14108EN 14109 Metalli gruppo II (Ca+Mg) mg/kg 5.0 EN 14538 Fosforo mg/kg 10.0 EN 14107 I sand you this table, the values are ok in everywhere. Bye!!! Ezio Can someone provide my with an estimation of prices for vegetable oils in Greece capable to produce biodiesel that meet EN 14214 specifications? Thanks Stelios Navighi a 4 MEGA e i primi 3 mesi sono GRATIS. Scegli Libero Adsl Flat senza limiti su http://www.libero.it ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Underground blaze burning for 31 years
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05153/514379.stm State DEP to snuff out stubborn mine fire in Fayette County Underground blaze burning for 31 years Thursday, June 02, 2005 By Don Hopey, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette A 58-acre underground mine fire burning for 31 years near the village of Youngstown, on the flank of Chestnut Ridge in Fayette County, has defied emergency efforts to contain it. Yesterday, the state Department of Environmental Protection announced it will spend $3.2 million from the federal Mine Land Reclamation Fund to finally snuff it out. It is absolutely imperative that we eliminate this hazard in order to safeguard the health and well-being of people living nearby and protect their homes from damage or total loss, said DEP Secretary Kathleen McGinty. GAI Consultants of Homestead, a firm experienced at extinguishing underground mine fires, has been hired to do the work. It plans to inject a wet mixture of calcium-gypsum and coal ash from Reliant Energy's Elrama Power Plant into the mine void where it will harden like concrete. Stan Michalski, GAI senior staff geologist, estimated that at least 110,000 cubic yards of the material will be needed to seal the mine and extinguish the fire. About 350 six- to eight-inch diameter holes will be drilled in and around Youngstown. The deepest will be 180 feet but the average depth will be about 100 feet. We will drill and fill the perimeter bore holes first to contain the fire and then use bore holes inside that perimeter to inject more material and put the fire out, Michalski said. The wet grout is expected to lower the fire temperature and flow into voids and cracks, filling them and eliminating oxygen sources that feed the fire. Michalski said it will be the first time such a grout will be used to extinguish a mine fire, but it has been used in other mines to prevent subsidence. Work will start in July. The project contract is for two years but he said it should be finished before that. The site will be monitored for a year after the project is finished. The fire, located northeast of Uniontown near Route 119, is believed to have started by burning trash in 1974 and over the last three decades has been moving north and south between a flooded underground mine pool on the west and an outcrop of the Pittsburgh coal seam on Chestnut Ridge to the east. It is one of 39 underground mine fires burning in Pennsylvania and 112 in the United States. Over the years, the DEP Bureau of Abandoned Mine land Reclamation and the U.S. Office of Surface Mining, Reclamation and Enforcement mounted several projects using coal combustion flyash and clay aimed at slowing the fire's movement and directing it away from Youngstown properties but have not attempted to extinguish it. A clay wall that was built underground in the 1980s failed because the fire bypassed it before it was completed. The money for the Percy Mine project comes from the $24 million allotment the state gets each year from the federal Mine Land Reclamation Fund. The fund, which started in 1977, is supported by a small assessment on every ton of coal mined and has an unspent balance of $1.4 billion. It has been extended several times, most recently in April, but will expire in September unless Congress acts to reauthorize it. Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
Wow, This information sounds SO drastic. I will imediatly build a time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A quest to ruin the Earth
Please do not Quote items form THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS I am one American why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist. Have you ever seen the area to be used for oil development. It is a vast frozen desert. Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the caribou when the Alaska pipe line was built. We now have MORE Caribou than before the pipeline. Don't make such wild accusations. They are beginning to sound like background noise. FArmer Paul ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wash water
use your well water it works much better. Dont use softened water, you will get emulsion. challeng71 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Mileage on diesel trucks...
I have a 1995 3/4 ton Dodge with a Cummings diesel. It has 250,000 miles on it. I bought it used. I get 15-17 MPG out of it on regular diesel. I thought these engines got better mileage. What do you get? I have not tried bio-diesel yet. I will install a in-line fuel filter in the spring and try some. Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] I need some information
About the production of ethanol. The principal plant work in fermetation system. My question is: the gas emission after the fermetation is possible that you only carbon dioxide? Thank you very much. Ezio 6X velocizzare la tua navigazione a 56k? 6X Web Accelerator di Libero! Scaricalo su INTERNET GRATIS 6X http://www.libero.it ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap? Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] cummings engins
To all, I purchased a 1995 dodge truck with a Cummins engine in it. I am looking for a source of biodiesel before starting to make my own. I will need a source of inexpensive fuel filters. does any one know a supplier? I hear the tank crud will be flushed out. I think this truck will have a lot. Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
about Rights and obligations and
Open discussion, and the Note at the end.
Please DO do that.
When I gave you my interest
in this forum I thought that you stated that it would be
really good to stick to the biofuel interests in the
forum perimeters ?
I said that? Nope. Tell me where I said that - give me the
exact quote and the reference, please. Don't ignore this:
tell me where I said that.
I can go to hundreds of websites that are
great to vent whatever ! But, I won't sit by anymore and
let people throw out platant all encompassing trash about
something (right to life) that didn't need to be here.
John's remark was mild enough, but YOU have been frothing
at the mouth. This is an American issue (yes it is! - the
rest of the world does NOT see it in those terms) and
your response might seem fitting to you in American terms
, but this is not primarily an American forum, it's an
international forum with a global membership, and in
those terms your behaviour has been bizarre. Globally,
your government's actions in cutting and blocking funding
for any project anywhere with any hint of birth-control
has had horrendous results. Do you know anything about
that? If not why not? Do you condone it?
I did not express any opinion on the so-called pro-life vs
pro-choice debate, and I still haven't. Go on, check it
and see. Or don't facts mean anything to you?
If
this is unacceptable to you and the rest of the forum
than I apologize(I apologize if it is acceptable or not)
for my having the nerve to write my feelings. Thank you
for your time and consideration, Kim Wilde someone who
uses my delete button constantly.
Then you don't know how to use mailing lists or Internet
information. See:
http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/
Now please answer the original question, as opposed to
answering a whole bunch of questions that weren't asked
and weren't implied either!
Don't be fooled by the please, by the way - this is a
message from the List owner, I'm not asking you, I'm
telling you.
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Biofuel list owner
Bob Hakan, Much literary criticism comes from people
for whom extreme specialization is a cover for either
grave cerebal inadequacy or terminal laziness, the
latter being a much cherished aspect of academic
freedom. JKG Thanks for your reply, Kim
What's that supposed to mean, Kim? There is freedom of
discussion at this list, it's something that has been
established, built and maintained over five years, and
many of us set great store by it. Are you saying that
it's just terminal laziness, a cherished aspect of
academic freedom??? Because that it sure as hell isn't,
other than cherished perhaps. There's nothing merely
academic about it, and it's the very opposite of
laziness - it's rigorous, as it has to be else it would
quickly succumb to the lowest common denominator, which
has happened elsewhere, but not here. Kindly explain
yourself.
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
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Biofuel list owner
- Original Message Follows -
Bob,
Since we many times enjoyed the freedom of
discussion, I guess that we have to accept this kind
of voodoo also.
I had the same reaction to this, but it was too
brutal. Thanks that you so elegantly expressed my
opinion also and made it possible to only agree with
what you are saying.
Hakan
At 02:42 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote:
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I might think it, but I leave that
to GOD THE CREATOR !
you are presupposing that I give a tinker's dam
about your belief in voodoo. I don't and
therefore your message is wasted on me. toodles
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is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishnessJKG
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Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Luc, Thanks for the much appreciated words. Kim - Original Message Follows - G'day Kim; This is written in a Christian perspective, please delete if not interested. Probably the most annoying thing about those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus is the extreme narrow mindedness they portray. It is not anoyying to me because I don't have a problem identifying it, however with others it can be much more than that. When questioning the correctedness of the right to life issue in a biofuels forum it demonstrates a certain lack of understanding in the universality of it, the forum that is. No one of a right mind questions the right to the happiness and pursuit of life for people everywhere, however does this right to the pursuit of life stop at unjustified wars ? I happen to agree that life is sacrosanct (most sacred or holy :inviolable - Webter's) and I also believe that that life extends to the womb, however that is my position, founded upon my belief system, not shared by all. And that is where the rub comes. I do not rule over the souls and minds of men, that task has been left open to The Majesty of Choice. Whether or not I agree with someone's choices is of it's utmost irrelevant. I can, however, make my own decisions based upon my own exercise of that Majesty of Choice. I do not have a right to push my beliefs upon others, however I do have the right to hold to what I do believe is right and wrong for my own life without being pressured or pushed away from it. Did Jesus always follow the status quo ? Quite the contrary. Where can you find, other than when chidding the religious hypocrites of the day, an example of Him ever condeming people for the decisions they made ? You won't. Did He insist that everyone follow Him and do it the same way? Again, quite the contrary, He even told some to return home and not follow Him. No condemnation infered or implied or overtly expressed. So-called christians, especially those of the neo-con pursuasion, are so incredibly self-righteous that they have forgotten Christ's admonition of not tryin to pluck a sliver out of someone's eye when there is a beam in their own. There are no perfectly sinless humans on this planet, this the Bible teaches, but is discarded by the aforementioned too easily. Why should Christians get involved with biofuels in a big way ? Simple, it is caring for a trusted guardianship (our planet)that has been given to us, not unlike caring for your body as a holy temple. Are the two related ? Absolutely ! What is the earmark that should identify Christians to others ? Jesus said it is the spirit of love. Don't see that too often eh? Not in the neo-con so-called christian zionists in any case. War, division, hate for your neighbour, kill his children in their beds. Sound Christian to you? Do some people chose to end life at it's beginning ? Yes they do. That is their decision, it does not mean that you have to adhere to it, support it, or condone it in your life, however if God has so specifically limited Himself to not interfere with the Majesty of Choice that people exercise, who are you or I to do it? Wouldn't that be akin to ussurping God's authority ? As for America. It's people are vast and far stretched, and of many pursuasions, but none can justify what has been and continues to be done in their names by a zionist controlled government and media who's allegiance is more to a foreign nation than to their own. There is no collectivity called America, contrary to what you have been taught to believe. Individuals will be held accountable for thier own actions, not a global or collective thing at all. The people governing the United States are NOT led by any sort of Christian belief, as is proven by Christ's actual words as recorded in the New Testament. The media and others, including apostate preachers say otherswise, and they will answer for thier lies, but not at my hand. Christians do not slaughter babies and innocents, final. The United States has decended into a pit of iniquity that it will not soon come out of and risks dragging the world into it's destructive delusions in it's quest for world oil domination. It's sick and needs to be exposed as such. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel
Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Keith, I'm sorry to see that you take my response using jk gasbag at his word ! I'm just wondering if you in turn have written to others about the continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America Etc ? When I arrived here I was under the auspice that I was fortunate enough to find a forum that won't have the typical retrograde stances that you state that this forum shouldn't have. My first day here I was treated to some amazing bashing of America ! I know that my country is a mess (look at my first posting about fuel and look at my opinion about the leadership)! SO GET OVER IT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSTED TO BE !? When I gave you my interest in this forum I thought that you stated that it would be really good to stick to the biofuel interests in the forum perimeters ? I can go to hundreds of websites that are great to vent whatever ! But, I won't sit by anymore and let people throw out platant all encompassing trash about something (right to life) that didn't need to be here. If this is unacceptable to you and the rest of the forum than I apologize(I apologize if it is acceptable or not) for my having the nerve to write my feelings. Thank you for your time and consideration, Kim Wilde someone who uses my delete button constantly. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Mr. Guttridge, Thanks for the reply ! Your statement seemed pretty inclusive of the right to lifers Just like my statement about those desiring abortions should've read THAT IF ALL OF THE ABORTION ADVOCATES HAD MOTHERS THAT HAD ABORTED THEM THAN THE ABORTION ISSUE WOULD BE VERY MOOT, now if that sounds like I'm pretty heinous, such it is in your mind. I used the word 'DECEIT to describe the current situation that most young mothers find themselves in (if the clinics aren't deceiving them than why not show them what is really going on inside of the mother ?). I don't advocate violence towards ANYONE ! I might think it, but I leave that to GOD THE CREATOR ! Don't worry it won't be long before all of us find out the truth of it all. I would like to use this wonderful forum to futher the cause that I believe all of us are trying to accomplish and have a healthier world to live in no matter how short we're here. Thanks for your time, Kim Wilde ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Bob Hakan, Much literary criticism comes from people for whom extreme specialization is a cover for either grave cerebal inadequacy or terminal laziness, the latter being a much cherished aspect of academic freedom. JKG Thanks for your reply, Kim - Original Message Follows - Bob, Since we many times enjoyed the freedom of discussion, I guess that we have to accept this kind of voodoo also. I had the same reaction to this, but it was too brutal. Thanks that you so elegantly expressed my opinion also and made it possible to only agree with what you are saying. Hakan At 02:42 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I might think it, but I leave that to GOD THE CREATOR ! you are presupposing that I give a tinker's dam about your belief in voodoo. I don't and therefore your message is wasted on me. toodles -- - - Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob - - - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG - --- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
I'm so sorry to see that the deceit has come here to this forum, about bush's stand on RIGHT TO LIFE ! He and most of the staff are the worst kind of deceivers ! They DON'T respect life, unless it's their own, and even that is a joke since they really don't know what they have given their alliance to ! If they do they are deceived as much as Eve was by the serpent. BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM Matthew 7:16 KJV! All you have to do is look into his record and see where he IS really slithering ! The bushes and the rest of their kind are deceivers ! Please don't make LARGE INCLUSIVE STATEMENTS about those of us who are fighting to save the unborn child ! IF ONLY THOSE WHO DESIRE ABORTION HAD EXPERIENCED THIS THROUGH THEIR OWN MOTHER, this would be a very moot point. Having made the worst of life decisions to participate in abortion of my own flesh and others, I pray for no others to experience my own deceit. Sincerely, Mr. Kim Wilde ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler
Do you produce biodiesel? or you build plants? I am writing from Italy. Do you know Trieste? Bye!!! Dr Ezio Di Bernardo Where do you live ? Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 6X velocizzare la tua navigazione a 56k? 6X Web Accelerator di Libero! Scaricalo su INTERNET GRATIS 6X http://www.libero.it ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Anyone know anything about this on ebay?
Hey, Saw this on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=11809item=3864167546rd=1ssPageName=WDVW anybodys opinion on this? Don ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] q+a
this site is great ..is there a site like this for SVO only??..strait veg oil ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: first batch comments please
Welcome to the world of biodiesel. Glad to see that you are experimenting with the reaction. The more people we have looking at it, the more ideas there are. Keep trying and journey to forever's web site. I have had some glycerin solidify and other times it stays liquid. the bio works out fine either way. I always titrate, and use 200 ml methanol per liter of used veg. oil. good luck challeng71 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] washing water
B) Recover your soap fraction from the gray water. Accomplished by treating the waste water with magnesium or aluminum sulfate. can you explain more about this?? please give some details thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] washing water
has anyone had the wash water tested?? and will to provide those results to the rest of us?? I know that wash water will kill grass and weeds very well, when using sodium instead of potassium. i want to know what i can do to make it less toxic to the grass. any help?? thanks challeng71 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Anybody in central Florida making biodiesel?
Hi, Since i have several trucks, and a tractor that run on diesel was looking at whether anyone near me makes biodiesel and seeing how you are making, etc. Thanks, Don ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] running biodiesel in gas engines
Hi, Sometime ago someone was talking about doing there own testing of mixing 10% biodeisel in gas, and running there lawnmower on it. I think that in that same email, there was talk about trying the same test on a minivan. As fas as I know there was never an email about the result of running biodiesel as a top cyclinger lubricant in a minivan. If anyone has some data one this I would really like to read it. Thanks, Al ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] replacement diesel engine
Hi, There has been some talk on this list a while back about small cubic image replacement engine for American cars, but I was wondering does anyone make them for foreign cars? I would like to a diesel in a mazda 626 or toyota camry. I really didn't spend much time looking, but are there options to do this? Thanks, Al ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Keeping older vehicles on the road - was Re: [Biofuel] good reading
Hi, I would just like everyone to consider what happens to their car after they trade it in on a new vehicle. More than likely it will be sold to someone else and still spend years on the road, then it will be taken to a salvage yard where parts will be taken from it. I know alot of times these parts will be put onto newer vehicles if the parts will interchange. The vehicle is crushed, and hauled to another location, where it is either recrushed smaller or melted down. Of course, all the plastic, rubber, and glass burns away. Then what is left may be shipped overseas to make another car. The iron and steel are melted to become different parts of a new car. These parts are then painted and assembled. Then, of course, the car is loaded on a ship to come back the to US, and trucked to a car lot. So, at this point, a new car has tons of embedded energies and emissions. With that being said, I don't know how, even with the new cars having better emissions, there could possibly be a savings in emissions. Sure, it is great for the car company for you to buy a new car, but for the environment, I don't see how it could be. Now, if you were to put the 2004 computer controlled induction and ignition system and catalytic converter on the old car (this may require you to change the engine). Also, if you are able to use the old engine, then consider freshening it up a bit. Then you should have new car emissions without the heavy price to the environment of building a new car. I have often thought about why someone doesn't offer a kit to upgrade the emissions of cars (obviously, it is not in the best interest of the car companies, they are too busy convincing everyone that their new cars will save the world), and in fact some states even have laws against it. I guess that it would make too much sense to recycle what we have instead of always building new. Anyway, that is my 2 cents, I hope that I didn't make anyone too mad with this. -Al On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Donald Allwright wrote: There is a point that's worth repeating here regarding older vehicles: Most cars use more energy in the manufacture than they do in fuel consumption over their entire lives - so as a rule the best way to reduce the energy balance of vehicles is to make them last as long as you can. If your concern is just the energy use, then try and keep the older vehicles working as long as possible. They are not quite as efficient, but the excess energy use is far less than that used to manufacture a new car you might replace it with. Also, keeping an older vehicle on the road is a great way of providing local employment - much better than just buying a new vehicle and using loads of primary resources. OK, the same may not be true for some of the exhaust pipe pollutants, as older cars are often a lot more polluting (due to lack of catalytic converters, a less optimised combustion process etc). So while in rural areas these pollutants may not be seen to be a major problem, in urban areas they certainly will be. Donald --- Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- tommy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a good reading piece if your wondering about why it's pretty much a waste to try to get those Cheap running junkers working and focus on new tech engines. Thank you for posting that link. I enjoyed reading it. But I disagree with your conclusions. As nice as a new diesel is I am still going to keep my 23 year old audi diesel. Once you consider that I only have about $500 into it not counting fuel or oil changes and that it gets 50 mpg I don't see how the new ones are any better. But of course they're much fancier, with all the electronics and latest options. The new ones will also blow mine off the road for speed and power. But those don't concern me. I know that for a lot of people they are very important, and those are the ones that I would try to talk into getting a newer one. The old ones also use very simple technology, which for me means that I can fix it all myself without taking it in. Not including the injection pump, of course. (Though I do have the computer scanners to be able to do everything on the newer ones as well, but that's cause it's what I do. Just saying that most people can work on the older ones and the newer ones become harder and more complicated.) I'm all for diesels. I love them. And the new ones have a lot of nice advantages. I really wish that with 20+ years of technology advancements it would have that much better fuel mileage than mine, but they just don't. I just don't see all that as a reason to abandon the old ones. If I can at all I will drive these old tech ones for many years more. The only thing I see stopping me is them getting wrecked. Just my opinion, of course. Erik This tech is what the Big fuel petro industrial fuel suppliers will get the gov to back instead of bio-fuel
[biofuel] Homebrew Co-Op Listing in Magazine
Hi All~ (sorry for multiple postings) We are working on compiling a directory of homebrewers and co-ops that are making their own biodiesel or using SVO. The directory will be published in an internationally distributed documentary magazine called Daylight (www.daylightmagazine.org) whose next issue will deal exclusively with sustainability. They want to help build the grassroots biofuels movement by publishing this list. If you or a group you know is interested in being included please email your contact information to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The deadline for submissions is August 30, 2004. Thanks. ~leif Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] UK Methanol Supplies £12 / 25L inc. new drum.
Dear Bio-dieselers, I have reduced the price of methanol from £20 to £12 per 25L on a collection basis from Manchester, UK. I normally have around 50 or so drums but they do sell very fast. For every collection, you'll be asked to sign for MSDS Health Safety sheets. This is to ensure that I know you understand the chemicals. If you want to buy methanol, please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Payment is via PayPal +3.4%. If you want to pay cash on the day, pre-paid PayPal customers have priority. By using PayPal it reduces my setting aside methanol and turning away people when the then original customer dont turn up. Regards Mark 07963 651609 ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Apple seed processor
Hi Has anyone had any problems using a copper tank? Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Drinking rain water [was: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?]
Hi, I am looking into building an Earthship, and I was wondering if you could tell me if drinking rain water is safe (I mean after it has been filtered like described in the Earthship books)? Thanks, Al On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Janet Van Stoat wrote: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:40:20 -0500 From: Janet Van Stoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier? There is significant health risk in drinking condensate. The risk comes mostly from the large amount of mold to be found in typical dehumidifier condensate. You are probably familiar with the slime molds that commonly coat the sides of most dehumidifier condensate collector bins. The condensate also contains significant amounts of bacteria, viruses, household chemicals, fibers, dust and dander. In fact, almost anything that you might find in household or basement air. Some basements also contain radon and sewer gasses which can dissolve into the condensate. Theoretically, you can work with condensate. Recycling this stuff, as well as urine, is commonly done in space vehicles. It takes several steps and sophisticated filtering and processing to come up with a useable end product. If you just want to try processing the stuff yourself, it is a noble and worthwhile project. I would be cautious to only use the processed water on ornamental plants, though, unless I was quite sure of the final quality of the end product. As a starting point, some processing methods include, gentle distillation (discarding the early and late distillate), filtering through filter grade diatomaceous earth, exposure to sun light or strong UV, hydrogen peroxide treatment or aeration. There are other treatments, as well. Essentially you are working with a kind of pond water. Some of the off-the-shelf filters at the camping equipment stores are very good at mechanically filtering out the biological components, but I would still recommend gentle distillation as a first step. Carbon filtering is a good end-treatment for removing some chemicals and odors. However, carbon filtering doesn't work at all well when there are a lot of biological components in the water; the carbon then just becomes a nice bed for bacterial and mold growth. One of the most interesting and promising methods of pre-treating biologically risky water is by gently passing the water through the root system of wetlands plants such as cattails. The hairy roots of various plants can do a remarkable job of cleaning up risky water and making it more suitable for subsequent treatment. - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier? Hallo Folks, I don't know how close to on-topic this is but I have a question which I have been asking myself for a long while and figured it wouldn't hurt to pass it on and see what I get. Every day I go down in my basement and empty about 2.5 gallons of water from the dehumidifier. Twice a day. Every day. I have been wondering if it would be possible to dehimidify with the added benefit of having potable water. Safe to drink. What would it take? Closed system with copper or stainless steel coils or...? Anyone have any ideas on this? Just a (nagging) thought. Waste not want not. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions
Re: [biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus?
Hi, I have done many engine swaps, and you will need more than the engine to make everything work. I would look for a GMC or Chevy light truck with a diesel engine in a salvage yard. Although, I think one might be hard to find. That way atleast you would have the parts to make the engine run. I should also point out that there may still be the need for some fabrication. At one time there was a lot of GM cars in salvage yards that had diesel in them, but I think they stopped making them in 83-84. So, they maybe hard to find now too. Plus I am not sure if they would have the power you would need for a bus. Also, I would assume that the engine that is in the bus now has a chevy bell housing. The ones they used in cars had a B-O-P Bell, and would at the very least require the bell housing to be changed. So, the ones from a truck would probably be much better. Well, that's my 2 cents! I hope this information is helpful. -Al On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Joshua wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:38:55 - From: Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: What diesel engine will fit in 87' GMC schoolbus? Thank you for your response. Of course we could somehow get just about any engine to fit, but what could we get in there that we wouldn't have to get custom motor-mounts for and what will the drive line fit snugly? So far, it's looking like a Detroit Diesel is the best bet, no? Thanks, Joshua --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Coral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U can get almost anything on the market in there u name it: caterpillar, cummins, international or (of course) detroit diesel. I'd recommend a DD common rail computer managed. However, there's plenty of school buses diesel fitted as stock so, it'd be easy to figure what would fit yours best. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] centrifuges
Hi $75k USD for what type of machine? I have a Westfalia 900L per hr manual clean here for £5,000 GBP with single and three phase motors inc data manual. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Integrated processing of lignocellulosic biomass!
Hans Flash acid saccharification has been around for quite a while. The Russians use the process to produce 30kL of ethanol per day. I guess this process is the next stage up? Regards Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Dutch - UK Bio-dieselers Link
Pieter Your'e only across the water, would you be interested in a meet-up in Holland? Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale - Pieter
Pieter The price is negotiable around the four to five thousand UK pound price including 3-phase invertor and single phase motor. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale - Pieter
Pieter Around the £4-5k mark. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] IBC PROCESSOR
Ben A company in the UK already sells the IBC processor systems called the Acorn. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol
Chris What is the thermal efficiency of a methanol plant? Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
Hi, And here I thought Berkely (UC Berkely) was famous for developing their own flavor of unix from which 3 distro have been created - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. -Al On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Martin Klingensmith wrote: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:12:40 -0400 From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking. Phil Dodd wrote: Sitting here in my south-central pennsylvania funk lamenting the fact that when I talk biodiesel I am looked at like I have 2 heads. Though there is a couple of seminars coming to the Washington D.C. area next week and again in september. Are there any folks out here in the hinterlands of the Mid-Atlantic states that are actually making, using and spreading the word? Help save me from this desert of forward thinking before my mind starts to atrophy here in the land of the closed mind. Phil Hello Phil, I live in northern New York [no, the Catskills are not northern NY] I have been trying to get people interested for quite some time. It isn't easy and it's slow, but I've been letting people know for a couple years now that there are alternatives to petro-diesel and gasoline. I've also been dispelling the widespread myth that ethanol is bad. Why is it common belief that ethanol is a horrible fuel? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale - Pieter
Pieter Sorry for the delay. The centrifuge is a Westfalia marine oil centrifuge with 1-phase 230V and 415V 3-phase motors, stainless steel disc stack. What are you offering? ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale
Hi I have a Westfalia centrifugal separator for sale. Its rated to approx. 900L per hr, has a single phase and 3-phase motor. I imported it from the states for a bio-diesel pilot plant. Is any one interested? Mark 07963 651609 ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Question - SVO/biodiesel blend without modification to vehicle?
Donald Be aware that glycerol can polymerise mineral oils. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
Keith Status Quo in the UK - A large proportion of available used cooking oil is being consumed by small to medium sized bio-diesel producers or is exported to external communities ie to India for re-use in the food sector I am told, though I cannot validate this claim. Animal fats to bio-diesel has not been deleloped here hence the initial interest in super-critical technology. We have to subscribe to EN14214 to obtain reduced fuel duty rate. I am interested in the SCM approach for accademic curiousity rather than plans of grandure. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
John Super critical methanol has been used to produce tallow bio-diesel with a CFPP way below -15'C. FFA content does not matter since the whole feedstock is converted to esters. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 100% ethanol
Andrew Centrifuges wont work. You need to use a molecular sieve. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
Ken Do you know of anyone in the whole realm of this group who has ever used a supercritical reactor? As in anywhere? Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] UK Methanol - 40p per L on 250L
Dear Bio-dieselers Because of the number of people coming forward for methanol, the price has changed significantly. If people group together I will sell 250L of anhydrous methanol in 25L drums for just £100 all in. Alternatively, if you want just one drum or a few drop me an e-mail and I can arrange that for you at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: wondering about this comment
Here Here Brian I agree, i also enjoy the political comment, its taken me out of my fat dumb and happy state and into someone with a little more awareness of the world, I believe that people from all religious persuasions must take a step back, take a long hard look at themselves and have some tolerance for others. I must be living in a fantasy world if I believe this will ever happen. Unfortunately I live in an environment (AU) at the moment that is very intolerant against Islam and Muslims in general (f**g ragheads is a comment I hear every day). This sort of attitude does not help the situation at all. The media always making headlines amount this or that muslim being arrested for terrorism and nothing ever mentioned about anything good our so called multi-cultural nation has done. Im not religious myself but I believe religion is a good thing used in the right way, i.e. teaching morals and tolerance its just that the plot has been lost somewhere in to many cases. Sorry if i may have gone a little off track regarding biofuels I just needed to vent a little. Regards Nick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol - 1000L IBC for re-sale *** UK ***
Hi All Next week I am having 1000L of anhydrous methanol dropped off for re-sale to bio-diesel producers. Anyone can buy as much as you like. It will be stored in 25L drums, which is enough to make 175L to 200L of biodiesel depending if you recycle methanol from the glycerol stream. I will also buy in caustic NaOH so people can do a 1 stop shop if they wish. A 25L drum of methanol will be £20 inc. drum. The price will go down the more you buy. ANYONE interested needs to drop me an e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 07963 651609. I have already sold 175 litres in the last few hours and may only buying in 1000L this month. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol
Hello, Here in Australia there was a campain in the media about ethanol blends in fuel destroying engines, so now no ethanol in fuel without clear marking on fuel pumps, net result, general population formed to believe ethanol is bad for engines. Very little was said for the environmental advatages although Im not 100% sure that ethanol in Australia is manufactured from sustainable resourses. I just love how the media can form the populace into beleving somthing and not tell the whole story and in this case the oil industry very hapy about the outcome. Regards Nick P.S. I love my internal combustion engines and now I know that I can be better for the environment and still play with them. Why push for alternative energy when biofuel is a solution? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol in NE Pa.
Hi, I was just wondering if there are any small time ethanol producers in North Eastern Pennsyvannia. I would like to produce enough ethanol myself to run my cars on, but I live in an appartment where I can't. If someone could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Al Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] OT: Nitromethane fuel question
Since the discusion has moved to Nitromethane fuel, I thought that I would forward this on. I am not sure if it is total accurate, but it is some interesting facts about drag racing engines: One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500. Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 gallon of nitromethane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced. A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster supercharger. With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle. At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitromethane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F. Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases. Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder. Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow. If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half. In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8G's. Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence. Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light! Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load. The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm. The Bottom Line; Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated US $1,000.00 per second. The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is 333.00 mph (533km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta). Putting all of this into perspective: You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter twin-turbo powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment. The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course. That, folks, is acceleration. On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Alan Petrillo wrote: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:07:07 -0500 From: Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nitromethane fuel question spriggsbororon wrote: Back in the 1960's, I attended a few drag races (1/4 mile event) at the drag strip. The fuelers used 'nitro'. When I would get a pit pass and walk by the rails and funny cars, the odor would clean out my nostrils (Whew!). When I asked various non-racing people afterwards how much nitro was used, I got different answers from a few drops to 100% nitro. One time I went to the drag strip at the beginning of the season when the temperature was about 40-45 degrees F. The fuelers ran real rough, missing and even stalling. A bystander said that it was probably too cold outside to run the nitro fuel. Any input on nitromethane as a fuel compared to others, or is it really the same as other alcohol fuels you mention, but with a fancy name? Nitromethane is an explosive. It can also be used as monopropellant rocket fuel. As one guy put it You can put your cigarette out in it, but if you hit it with a hammer it'll explode. Top fuelers mix it with methanol to dilute it down to their desired power level according to atmospheric conditions. It's nasty stuff, and IMHO, best avoided. AP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
Hi, I was just wondering how much ethanol I could hope to product in one year with a small still. I am hoping to get started this spring and I would like to be able to product about 450 gallons of ethanol over the summer. Using news paper as a feed stock, would this be a realistic goal? Also, I have been looking around the web for more information about making ethanol. I found a site for making hooch, but I think that fuel ethanol is the same thing. From what I have read on that site you can make ethanol from pure sugar in as little as 5 days, but need special yeast (or yeast with other stuff added to feed the yeast). Would this be a good choice for making fuel ethanol? Thanks, Al On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, W Scott Pyatt wrote: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:03:04 -0500 From: W Scott Pyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation standard ethanol production is a bit more costly and timely than most people think, as for the legal aspect of it there are a lot of records that must be kept and yes you are open for federal inspection ( TTB ) as well as state level alcohol inforcement, I have been in the alcohol buisness for over 5 years and the state and federal goverment have been very easy to work with. W Scott - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation If I remember right, inspections of the property that the permit is for, anytime the BATF, wants to look around. Greg H. - Original Message - From: j_schearer To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 05:00 Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation If the individual goes through all the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what can one expect from the gov't after this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: What's the true story on ethanol?
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, shawstafari wrote: I'm *very* into the ethanol powered fuel cell developments, but I don't think we ought to put energies towards developing fuel cells for vehicle use per se. Just think of all the copper that would be needed! Ahh, the wheels of capitalism they do turn. We need to stop the assembly lines cold-turkey and fix up the millions of cars that have already been produced and are lying dormant. I'm radical, I know ;) I feel the same way. I just can't understand why no one is willing to fix up old cars (and do things to improve their emissions). Everytime I talk to someone about it, they act like I am crazy. -Al Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] New to Bio-Diesel, Need Methanol
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Boston Bryce wrote: I'm looking for a place to buy methanol online? I found one place, but seemed a bit pricey for 5 gallons. Is this a normal cost for Methanol? $25.00 for 5 gallons $20.00 HazMat Handling $20.00 Shipping + Tax = $70.00 I live in Phoenix, AZ and have only found 2 places that carry Bio and it's a bit expensive, like 3$/gallon Maybe someone on BioFuel Group knows a good place in AZ to buy Methanol? I wish I knew of a place to buy methanol. You may want to try a drag strip. They would use Methanol there. I am not sure what the price would be though. Actually, I have been looking for a place to buy neat ethanol, and I have not been able to find one. But I am still looking. If I find a place to buy methanol, I will let you know, and I hope you will do the same for me about ethanol. -Al Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil
Hi, I would like to get more info about this. I have looked on the web but I haven't found any good answers to some of my questions. I really wanted to build an alternative fuel vehicle. After doing some research I went ahead and built an engine to run alternative fuels. With all alternative fuels having higher octane, and looking at what others have done (on the web) I built an engine that needs higher octane. This is where I have a problem. I looked at running natural gas and propane, but after doing some research I realized that I was not going to be able to do a conversion to these fuels unless I was willing to put a large tank behind the back seat. I really didn't want to do this. I would like to move to ethanol running straight ethanol. This way I would not have to remove the additional water, but the problem I have with this is that it would be to hard to find fuel when traveling. So I have decided to just run the car on gasoline. The problem is that I will need to do something to increase the octane. I looked into using octane boost, and I even bought some, but on a pdf file I read most octane boost only raises the octane level a fraction of a point. From what the pdf file said that I should look at using either race gas or aviation fuel (something called 100LL). With this being the case ethanol still looks like my best choice to raise octane levels. So, with all that here are my questions: 1. Has anyone ever used ethanol (or alcohol in general) as an octane boost? 2. How much does ethanol raise the octane level of gasoline? 3. Has anyone tried running more than 10% ethanol. Would I be able to run say 20 or 25% ethanol, or would I need to make changes to the engine, and fuel system? 4. What would it cost me to make a gallon of ethanol vs making a gallon of neat ethanol? 5. Could I mix methanol or other alcohols (like the kind from a drug store like was mentioned below) into gasoline to raise octane levels? 6. Is something I could add to make the mixture less corrusive? 7. Is there a fuel that can be made from Veggie oil that could be ran in a gasoline engine? 8. Is it possible that some of the sugars could be in the finished ethanol, and ruin the engine. If so how could I test for this? 9. Is gasoline/ethanol mixture more danagers than gasoline alone? Thanks, Al On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Pieter Koole wrote: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:51:39 +0100 From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil Ethanol is a kind of alcohol. There are many kinds of alcohol. Ethanol is produced by yeast when they eat sugar, and so it is an environmental friendly producing proces. Ethanol can be mixed with BD, but why would you do it ? Any kind of alcohol can be used as a fuel. They all burn. What you buy in the drugstore, usually will be ethanol, but this ethanol is treated, so that you cannot drink it. SO DON'T DRINK IT !! It can make you blind, or even kill you. You can quite easy produce your own ethanol. Information about the process is to be found at Journeytoforever. About the diesel : When you make biodiesel, there is no need to change your engine at all. Do it properly and you will be driving without any problems. Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands. - Original Message - From: Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil Can ethanol, alcohol, and veggie oil be mixed at all in any combination? What difference is there between ethanol alcohol? What is it that we buy when we purchase alcohol in the supermarket or drugstore? Could alcohol be used efficiently as a fuel or is it more expensive than ethanol? An immediate solution for myself, right now, here in the U.S., is there an alternative other than converting my diesel car to run on veggie oil? Thank you, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer
Re: [biofuel] running ethanol
Hi, I was thinking of carring a 55 gallon drum with me. I just thought that I would be able to find a list of people who produce ethanol in their back yard. I hope to have the car running in about a week or so, and in 2 weeks I hope to be leaving for Arizona (from Pennsylvania). I hope to have found enough fuel by then, becuase it is going to be Arizona or bust. Thanks, Al On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Alan Petrillo wrote: One of the things you could do is check to see who the industrial suppliers of ethanol are in the area where you are traveling, and along your route. Be prepared to buy it in either 5 gallon jugs or 55 gallon drums. Take a barrel pump with you, and be prepared to cary with you whatever you can't put into your car's tank. Depending on what you're driving, you may be able to install auxiliary fuel tanks, which will make a big difference. It helps a lot when you can cary 40 gallons of fuel instead of 15. The major difference is that your trip will require planning. You might consider also taking a small trailer in which you can store a drum of ethanol and the equipment with which to pump it into your car's tank. Then you can cary a substantial amount of fuel with you and also be prepared to cary off more from suppliers along your route, and at the same time not have to cary around a lot of extra equipment during your local driving. This list can also be a resource for finding fellow ethanollers along your route, who would probably be happy to help you out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] running ethanol
Hi, I have been thinking of running ethanol in my car, but when traveling where would I find fuel? I have looked for a list of places on the net that sell ethanol or individuals that produce ethanol, but I have not found any. Would you know of some? Thanks, Al Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] here I am
I come back!!! I don't know why the messages returned to you. Well!!! I viwed that in Italy the research don't go on!!! Best regards!!! Ezio Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all
James, You will find that many people who have never come to the US get their perceptions of America from watching American television shows. Hows that for a scary thought. We like them often have misperceptions of the world. For example, I used to work for an international telecom forum and went to meetings in Europe. I found that I really like Paris and all the people I met there were friendly and helpful. I was with collegues and we stepped out of a store into light mist. We were looking at a map and a gentleman came up and asked us in english if he could help. He looked at our map and where we had to go and showed us the most direct route. I find that people everywhere I've been (London, Paris, Nice, Birmingam UK, Frankfurt, Mumbai, Delhi, and Agra) have generally been easy going and friendly, its governments that are hard to take :-) td --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the term enclosed truck that seats many as that is exactly what my UV does. Right now it has 12 LMR 400 spools in the back and some various 5 gal buckets, and also some recycling I need to take in. ;-) But then again, I walked to work so the air stays cleaner (and me healthier). James Slayden On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Tony Curtis, Check me if I'm wrong but I've been over to Journeytoforever.org and I believe that Kieth does indeed drive an SUV. He of course does fuel it with buidiesel and that does make a difference. We'd never heard of SUVs. We thought they were 4x4s, or 4WDs. Same Series Land Rovers that Jean-Leon was just talking about, though not quite as old as his (not that that makes any difference). And indeed they spent much of their time off-road, doing what they were built for - and that's work, not fun. Again to quote Jean-Leon: A real working vehicle is not an SUV - I consider real trucks UVs. Right. Anyway, one was a diesel, which ran on biodiesel, the other gasoline, which we'd planned to run on ethanol. We do have a fuel ethanol still, but it's not what it's claimed to be and the search for a real fuel still proved elusive. Very. Could be some news on that soon though. But we never got to run it on ethanol. Much as we loved them, we sold them both a while back. They were great for our learning curve but as our project developed we realized they weren't what we needed. No need for real workhorses yet though, we won't be leaving until winter at least, and it shouldn't be a problem then. Meanwhile we're getting involved in various rural projects here in and around this village, as planned, but again we don't need an SUV, nor a real UV workhorse either - we're using the Toyota I was telling Curtis about: SNIP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption
I would argue that the No Fault argument that the insurers sold most states is absolutely a scam. The argument was that no fault would reduce or keep rates low if it was the law that everyone be insured. I think you are right that the courts are part of the problem but not all of it. Is she working in the actuarial end of the business? Since my background is Math I may be able to track down a former classmate who is doing actuarial work, seems like a couple ppl I knew went into that. This would give us hard data on accident rates. I would still argue that insuring the driver and the car for liability is double dipping. You cannot drive more than one car at a time. The argument that the dammage caused by different vehicles is somewhat valid but I think that the actuarial tables will show this to be less an issue than insurers would claim it is. If it is liability and you have two cars then charge based on the most dammage you can do but don't charge liability for two cars, the cars do not drive themselves :-) . You should not have to have liability insurance before you get a vehicle registration you might consider it manditory (I'd buy that) that you have it before you get a drivers license regardless if you own a car or not. td --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having a wife that works in the insurance industry, I learned a bit about insurance. Absolutely scandalous rates? Needful in many cases. First of all a few things are taken into account, things like were you live, how far you drive to work, the vehical make and model, your driving history including your age, and the total number of miles you drive in a year. Let take them one at a time. It will also tell them the likely hood of having it stolen. Were you live. This tells the insurance company a few things, Cost of living, and from that the cost of repairs or replacement and what average medical expenses might be like. The population/car density of the area and this tells them the odds of you getting in an accident. This can also tell them the likelihood of you encountering a driver that does not have insurance. Having it stolen is also a factor depending on the type of vehical it is. I can guarantee you that if you live in a place were the cost of living is high, insurance will be high to compensate. How far you drive to work. Tells them about how long you are on the road each day ( the longer you are on the road the more likely you are to be involved in an accident) and the total number of miles you drive in a year Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all
Keith, SNIP Whatever, it's a recent term, not nearly as old as 4WD vehicles are. Older than online (or at least than the Web) but less than 20 years I'd say, and an American term, not in general world use even now. I think so. When I was in Nice a couple of years back I was discussing cars with a couple from the London area. They were tellig me of the woes of their Estate car. I waited and asked later whats an estate car? :-) Called a Town-Ace in the US. Picture here: http://www.us-autosales.com/townacel.htm US Auto - Honda Town Ace Lite Wow, $3,800 - $6,500 Depending on model year and options. :-) Is that good or bad? Higher clearance than it looks in this picture, by the way. The Hi-Ace is similar but bigger, and the original model - the first Hi-Aces were made in the late 60s I think. Current Hi-Aces have 3-litre turbo diesels and full-time 4x4. Too big for us - rural access roads in Japan are small, tight spaces. Looks like an older Toyota minivan with a higher roofline. This is the first one I've ever seen. Oh, look at the steering wheel, its on the right side. Wonder where this one came from. Now this is a Diesel or I guess the one you have is a Diesel? SNIP Names get created like BioDiesel and sometimes they stick. Some names don't. Could be a television thing, commentators are always saying dumb things that catch on. If it catches on then maybe it wasn't dumb. Could be, I just think of all the goofy sports terms that people use and that concept comes to mind. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] so what is a reprocess test anyway? was Re: glycerol seperation and clouds
I just realized I didn't make clear what a reprocess test is: take a liter of your finished fuel, and 'process' it as though it were new oil and you were making biodiesel out of it- ie, warm it, and process it with 3.5 g lye and 200 ml methanol. If it contains unconverted matter- mono and diglycerides- doing this reprocessing will turn that matter into glycerine. If it's nice fuel (try this with commerical biodiesel) you shouldn't get much of a glycerine layer. The only problem with this test is that most of the 200 ml methanol is 'excess' and will all end up in the glycerine layer- and will make that layer look much larger than the amount of glycerine in it- so it's hard to make this a quantitative test where the amount of glycerine layer means anything specific. It's been suggested to me that this test should actually be done with a much smaller amount of methanol and lye but I haven't tried it out to see what happens. Take a look at the INfopop biodiesel board thread entitled 'suspended stuff- free at last' for one guy's tale of poor conversion woe (he was getting little bits of white stuff in his fuel, ouch), and some great info on dealing with it- the troubleshooting was interesting. this was during the era of the Infopop forum when everyone was swearing up and down that more lye was the answer to everything. In his case higher temps fixed the problem. mark So I started doing testing for poor conversion (the 'reprocess test')- and that shows that my fuel contains more unconverted matter- the reprocess test drops a huge amount more glycerine out of what I otherwise think is nice fuel. I think I know by now what it takes (normally) to get good conversion- a number of factors (listed below)- and I have tried to change every one of those factors. The changes are not changing the results very much. Likewise, several other people who work with this oil have tried to change a bunch of factors in the process and also have all failed to make a dent in the conversion. Our equipment is all different, so it's not something specific to my processor. I have changed: 1. longer agitation time 2. more methanol 3. more lye- up to 5 grams as the base amount instead of 3.5 (don't worry I also tried less than 3.5 in liter batches just to rule that out) Some people really swear by more lye as the answer to everything, but in this case it didn't work. 4. higher temperatures. This led to some improvement but not enough. 5. and we've all tried settling the stuff prior to washing, for weeks at a time. It failed to show any change in the ease of washing. the only variable I haven't tried has been using acid-base process on the stubborn stuff. I didn't try it because I couldn't believe that I needed to use it to convert such low-ffa oil. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] car-culture and rural poverty in the US was Re: SUV's and
someone in some SUV thread wrote: You should not have to have liability insurance before you get a vehicle registration you might consider it manditory (I'd buy that) that you have it before you get a drivers license regardless if you own a car or not. td and it triggered this for me: I've just got to jump in here and complain loudly about North Carolina (the state where I've lived the most out of my adult life, and where I got my first drivers license and first 10 (???) cars)- North Carolina has a regulation now on the books that to get a drivers license at all you have to have insurance. To have insurance you have to own a car. No car= no drivers' license. If you get rid of your car and cancel insurance you're supposed to surrender your drivers' license. In most states this is not the case. Ini North Carolina however, if you don't have a car but want a license (and if you live in a rural area with no public transit it sure and don't have a car, having a license is still necessary for things like informal carsharing, car renting, occasional emergency trips in borrowed vehicles, things that in all other states are OK by the insurers- trust me, the one accident I was in (in a friend's car in New Mexico) was covered by the friend's insurance)- anyway if you're car-free but want a license the NC DMV has a standard answer- find someone who'll add you to their car insurance policy. Which is all good and fine if you're a teenager living with parents- a considerably harder thing for all the adult, poor, schmoes I've ever picked up hitchhiking to work- I mean, people don't just put random neighbors/relatives on their policy- it's a huge trust and financial issue (I swear, I felt like NC was pretty hitchhiker-friendly just because so many state residents have at one point or another run afoul of the various driving laws there and know about 'walkin'!). It's a seemingly well-meaning law that made me wonder if the insurance lobby had somehow hijacked the state legislature. I saw some statistics once when I was living in the South. They were in a booklet put out by a weird Mormon (I think) woman who was singlehandedly running a homeless families shelter/food bank/clothing bank/ services nonprofit (a serious labor of love in her case) in North Georgia. After working with the extremely poor families and homeless people for a few years she figured out that the same theme kept coming up in these people's stories: in so many cases, cars started the families' slide into homelessness. She started looking at statistics and found a lot in the state and regional poverty statistics that backed up what she learned in the course of her work. I wish I had a copy of her statistics. The story was typically that rural residents need vehicles to go to jobs (there is effectively no public transportation in most of rural America. The rural South had at one time in history an excellent public transportation system- which was dismantled by the well-documented oil company/tire company buyout and closing down of the tram systems). Wages being what they are in the rural south, people tend to own crappy cars, something expensive breaks, the family can't afford the repair, and the person loses their job. Or people have poor driving records, dont pay their insurance bill, lose their insurance, get stopped for a busted tail-light, and lose their license (very common story). Or drinking and driving and losing of licenses is involved. And all of that leads to losing jobs... or not being able to travel to any kind of well-paying jobs... and not being able to save money to afford the next calamity... and quite often it leads to chronic poverty and sometimes on to homelessness. I've hung out with some exceedingly poor people all over the place, and I've certainly seen the stories behind these statistics myself. Not that I am at all arguing that we shouldn't require mandatory insurance laws or drunken driving laws. I am fully aware that I am piloting a dangerous weapon when I get behind the wheel. But I think a lot of, say, middle-class americans, have no idea how badly car-based culture destroys lives. If places like the rural south could invest more into public transit... arggh. but that's not how our society is structured. mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: 2 SFO gastions that are selling $2.71/gallon Biofuel
this list doesn't send attachments, so we can't send photos via list. There are lots of biodiesel pumps at various stations around the country. Look at the National Biodiesel Board website and follow a bunch of links- see what you can find. Biodiesel Industries is the company whose fuel is at the station in San Jose. Do a search for them, they have photos on the site I believe. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tricia Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a member who posted that there are two SFO stations that are selling BioFuel. Do you have pictures of these 2 stations? With the sign that have the prices for B20 or B100? Need proof to show major and major pro tem, please send to me. Any other BioFuel stations? Need photos! Photo is more convicing! Thanks! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New Biodiesel fuel station in San Jose open to public - no cardlock needed!
I just filled up with biodiesel at West Valley Oil this morning in San Jose. Couldn't be easier. Just drive up to the pump (there are 2 hoses available), pump your B100 biodiesel, and pay for it in the office. No extra charge to use my ATM card. I don't know about any surcharge for credit cards. Price is $2.79 a gallon for B100, but it feel's great driving a sustainable fuel vehicle. I still had about 1/2 a tank of #2 diesel in the car, so I guess I'm running a B50 blend. Bob Brown at West Valley Oil told me that they are currently using about 50% virgin and 50% waste vegetable oil sourced biodiesel. He says that there is more btu capability out of the waste vegetable oil source, and I'm not sure if it is wishful thinking or not, but on my drive home on the freeway, I felt more power out of my little 1.6L VW diesel Westy. The proof of the impression is that I found myself in the rare atmosphere of the fast lane doing 70 MPH Formerly 65 on a GOOD day! (maybe I had a tailwind) Pretty simple to get there. From the North, take 280 to the 10th / 11th Street exit and turn right on 10th Street. Travel about 10 blocks and it's on your left just after Spartan Stadium. The address is 1790 S. 10th. I ran into one other biodiesel customer that heard about this station from your posting just as I was telling Bob that I think he's going to get a lot of business from people like me who have been looking for a local source of publicly available biodiesel for a while. I hope that people let others know about this station. It is great to have an other source than the Olympian cardlock station in S.F. and West Valley Oil should be rewarded with lots of business for taking the initiative to make B100 available to the general public. Olympian Oil (and others), are you listening? Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Question about making biodiesel
Hi, I am interested in making biodiesel. What do you do with the waste from processing used cooking oils? As an example, how much waste do you have from 50 gallons of used unfiltered, oil. Any suggestions for disposal? Thanks Joe Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] car-culture and rural poverty in the US was Re: SUV's and
Mark, I agree with some of your post but must respectfully disagree with the car-culture and rural poverty in the US argument. On insurance, the issue is who is liable the driver or the car. If the costs were fairly allocated it would fix part of the problem. Gov't. seems to make problems worse whenever they get involved. I also lived in rural america (Kentucky) and I even lived below the poverty line. These car, wealthy people, society is the fault arguments never seem to place any value on the individual decisions made by the people. Its always culture, society, or some other bad guy that caused all their problems. My view is that the only reason anyone in america is poor is by their own choice. I have heard so many arguments against getting education when I lived in rural areas. you don't need that, book learnin won't make you smarter, got book learning but no common sense, Why you can stay here and work for less than minimum wage, you don't need that college. Having been below the poverty line and having worked my way up to middle class, I have no liberal guilt. I am happy to talk to people about how to resolve this but too many people have bought into the socialist view that the reason they are poor is because someone else took their share of the pie. Personal and individual decisions are a major and possibly the most significant part of this equation. Been there, done that.
[biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all
Didn't they call the early one the Previa too? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That town ace looks a lot like what Toyota sold here as the mini van. it was the predecessor to the previa, which was the predecessor to the sienna. http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/1984/vmd5024ov.html Never heard of the Previa or the Sienna. Marketing, sure, but also Japanese car companies and names are something else. Do you remember a while back when an Oz member said he had a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV and a Brazilian member told him what it meant? Our 94 diesel Pajero... what's in a name ? in most spanish speaking countries a 'pajero' is what in oz is known as a 'w_nk_r'. could never understand such a name in what is supposed to be a 'global' product :-) I thought they spoke Portugese in Brazil? Seems like Richard Fineman found out the hard way. D'you think I should tell them? Anyway I don't know why it's called a Town-Ace, it's geared as a camper - sleeps two comfortably, or seats eight, or fold it all back and you can get a big load of stuff in there. That could be a Town-Ace in the picture Steve, an older one, bit hard to tell from the back. Hm... Sienna, okay, longer nose, smaller space inside I guess, prolly faster. I don't know what they call them here. How about this? - The Reliability Index Values are based on reported problems in 6 to 8 year old vehicles. To see an extrapolation of the current seven-year Reliability Index gap between Toyota and the Big Three, go to the Bottom Line on Reliability web page of the Auto on Info website. This web page will give you an idea as to what you can expect of a new 2003 Big Three engineered model relative to a 2003 Toyota or Honda model. http://www.autooninfo.net/AutoonInfo/TheBottomLineonReliability.htm Interesting stats. Yes but what do they mean? Is -0.63 a big reliability difference or is -6.3 or -63.0? The comment Second, there is no evident need to improve. seems to mean fron context that the sales do not dictate a need for improvement but it also may mean that the differences are not that severe. There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car options that fit my criteria. Best Keith SNIP td Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: New Biodiesel fuel station in San Jose open to public - no cardlock needed!
A few years ago I tried to convince a co-worker that he should at least look at the Diesel since it was available in the car he was looking at. The arguments he had were dirty, smelly, get it on your hands, get it in the car, and get it on your clothes. B100 fixes one of the most common objections to Diesel. Now if we can get it to be cost competitive with gasoline (not D2 as the argument is to gasoline car owners). td --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, hjackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just filled up with biodiesel at West Valley Oil this morning in San Jose. Couldn't be easier. Just drive up to the pump (there are 2 hoses available), pump your B100 biodiesel, and pay for it in the office. No extra charge to use my ATM card. I don't know about any surcharge for credit cards. Price is $2.79 a gallon for B100, but it feel's great driving a sustainable fuel vehicle. I still had about 1/2 a tank of #2 diesel in the car, so I guess I'm running a B50 blend. Bob Brown at West Valley Oil told me that they are currently using about 50% virgin and 50% waste vegetable oil sourced biodiesel. He says that there is more btu capability out of the waste vegetable oil source, and I'm not sure if it is wishful thinking or not, but on my drive home on the freeway, I felt more power out of my little 1.6L VW diesel Westy. The proof of the impression is that I found myself in the rare atmosphere of the fast lane doing 70 MPH Formerly 65 on a GOOD day! (maybe I had a tailwind) Pretty simple to get there. From the North, take 280 to the 10th / 11th Street exit and turn right on 10th Street. Travel about 10 blocks and it's on your left just after Spartan Stadium. The address is 1790 S. 10th. I ran into one other biodiesel customer that heard about this station from your posting just as I was telling Bob that I think he's going to get a lot of business from people like me who have been looking for a local source of publicly available biodiesel for a while. I hope that people let others know about this station. It is great to have an other source than the Olympian cardlock station in S.F. and West Valley Oil should be rewarded with lots of business for taking the initiative to make B100 available to the general public. Olympian Oil (and others), are you listening? Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption
Greg, You have some pretty good arguments but I still think that tying liability to the driver can be the more equitable solution. 1) On the case of the unused car that is seldom insured. The person that trespasses should be held accountable and this is the root of that issue. Yet your car insurance would not likely be the answer here as your homeowners insurance would be the area where a claim is most likely to be filed. 2) The insurance cancellation is a problem but if liability insurance was tied to the license rather than the car the drivers license could be pulled. 3) For the low time driver, thats a tougher one. It could be based on actual driving time. A person could lie about their hours but most would not and the problem could be statistically modeled to accomodate this. People can misrepresent the miles in the car too and some do, probably the sane ones who cancel now and would misrepresent miles on the car :-) Maybe.
[biofuel] car-culture and rural poverty in the US was Re: SUV's and
kirk, Yep, I did leave but that was not my only option. It was also my choice and my wifes choice. My decisions have largely got me here through hard work (I worked two jobs for many years). I believe that anyone anywhere in the US can be successful if they believe in themselves and work hard for themselves. Hey, if I can do it, anyone can. As to the evils of corporate greed. I often hear workers complain about how shabbily thay are treated but they don't seem to want the bosses job. Nor do they want to quit and start their own company. As to the Dickens novel, try spending a week in a third world country and you will appreciate that most of these arguments in the US are just averice showing its ugly head. Most of our wage slaves and our poor have hot cold running water, electricity, color televisions, microwave ovens, cars, and other luxuries. In Mumbai (Bombay) alone, I was told that there are 2 million people who will never have a roof over their heads, nor can they hope to. I saw them sleeping on the street and sidewalks. I saw working class housing that in the US would be considered a slum. We simly do not have any idea how good we've got it. Maybe we should talk about the evils of socialism and how it makes everyone poor? As to the top dog making big bucks, well until I'm ready to step into his job and take on the headaches, he can have it and I feel no jealousy over his takings. I do however get riled if the takings are not above board and obtained through lying, cheating, and stealing as we seem to be seeing in a very small number of companies. We do not see that across the board as the media would have us believe. I'm just saying that we all have options in the US. We can start our own companies and you will find that many small companies treat people well. You can do it and treat your staff as you see fit. The last company I worked for the President did not make any more than and possibly less than the top paid technical staff (things were tight). I am always finding ppl who complain about the top dog but are not willing to do the work the boss did to get there. I know what it takes, I'm not willing and he/she can have the big bucks. Its not worth it to me, my needs are simple. td SNIP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP SNIP Names get created like BioDiesel and sometimes they stick. Some names don't. Could be a television thing, commentators are always saying dumb things that catch on. If it catches on then maybe it wasn't dumb. Could be, I just think of all the goofy sports terms that people use and that concept comes to mind. Oh, sports! Well... What sport do they use Sport Utility Vehicles in? Full contact competitive Commuting? LOL Best Keith Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all
Hey Motie, I like it! Can we get it in the Xtreme games next year? And, I don't want to see any of those wimpy nerf computers or SUVs used either. td --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP SNIP Names get created like BioDiesel and sometimes they stick. Some names don't. Could be a television thing, commentators are always saying dumb things that catch on. If it catches on then maybe it wasn't dumb. Could be, I just think of all the goofy sports terms that people use and that concept comes to mind. Oh, sports! Well... What sport do they use Sport Utility Vehicles in? Full contact competitive Commuting? LOL Best Keith Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, aegent [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Motie, I like it! Can we get it in the Xtreme games next year? And, I don't want to see any of those wimpy nerf computers or SUVs used either. td LOL! It's already on TV in several different formats, usually involving cameras mounted in Police Cars and/or Helicopters. Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: New Biodiesel fuel station in San Jose open to public - no cardlock needed!
I will be keeping a record of my milage on B100. My baseline for Dinodiesel #2 is 23.3 mpg average over 17 records, highest mpg= 26.6. The one possible dificulty is that I live about 15 miles from the station that sells Biodiesel. If I'm concious enough to plan my fillups in advance I will be filling up with biodiesel as much as I can. If I find myself in a fuel bind, I'll be poping into a regular diesel pump, but I'll try to keep records on the milage between biodiesel fillups and subtract those out of the data. By the way, this fuel does not smell of chemicals and is light amber in color. It smells sort of sweet. The odor coming out of the tailpipe smells clean, as in it does not smell like I'm doing damage to my lungs being around this stuff. I like it. Henry --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope that people let others know about this station. It is great to have an other source than the Olympian cardlock station in S.F. and West Valley Oil should be rewarded with lots of business for taking the initiative to make B100 available to the general public. Olympian Oil (and others), are you listening? Henry Hi: If you get the chance, could you keep some data for a few tanks full of regular petroleum diesel in your car, as to mileage per gallon, and then, after you have transitioned entirely to B100 (i.e. a tank or two past the transition of B50 as you noted) keep some data for the mileage of the B100 you are getting, so we can have an idea? If there is any difference in mileage, this would adjust our view of the $ per mile, which is so important to others. I think all this needs is a notebook in your car where you can reset the trip odometer at each refill and note the exact number of gallons it took to refill (i.e., the amount you used). Over a few tanks, this should give some somewhat useful data. Long-term project suggestion for you or someone else. If it's too much trouble, thanks in any case for the report! To be honest, it's the first time I've personally heard of someone being able to do what you've done, in the States or maybe anywhere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Web Hosting makes it easy to build a professional web site. Sign up today and get free set-up, domain name, and more (up to a $100 value) http://us.click.yahoo.com/m3JvCD/wCpFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: Reactor for Biodiesel!
Prof. Allen, Thanks for your valuable information and I would definitely consider about it thoroughly. As your predict, I am an undergraduate in UK but I am origin from Malaysia. Therefore, from this point, I might not produce my own biodiesel, but I will certainly make it after I back to my hometown, as the palm oils are everywhere. Besides, its kinda 'waste' if I knew so much about the benefits of biodiesel and not fully utilised it. For your information, I had carried out a simple calculation on Heat of reaction for transesterification based on RBD palm stearin. But the figure seems to be unreasonable, highly exothermic reaction (up to -1000kJ/mol) was obtained by using the average value of Heat of formation of fatty acid. However, we knew that the molecular weight of oil is approximately 3 times higher than the molecular weight of biodiesel. Therefore, by applying this concept, I can obtained an endothermic figure (approximately 50KJ/mol). But the uncertainties are very high. As you might be awared of the enthalpy change within the system are not taken into account. I am running my design mode at 1.5 - 2 bar. Therefore, the design temperature is 65 deg C (well above upper limit, as methanol boiling point is 72deg C at 1.5 bar). A series of CSTR are used. Conversion is design at 95%. However, the kinetics from Darnoko Cheryan (2000) seems to be varied much from my simulation. I am applying Kinetics of Soybean oil, from Noureddini Zhu (1997), which seems to be matching with my design mode. But rate constant of Darnoko (2000) was used. Cheers, Gann --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Michael Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gann, Your e-mail is addressed to Keith but I can probably answer some of your questions: Thanks Keith for your information, in fact I already got a copy of that. By that you mean the paper by D. Darnoko and Munir Cheryan, I think? Anyway, just another few questions, during the transesterification process, the mixture (Oil and methanol) eventually getting hotter or cooler? You want to know if the reaction is exo-thermic or endo-thermic? I can't help you there except to say that the enthalpy change is pretty small and can be neglected without much error. We are trying to measure it at present but we really need a sensitive differential thermal reactor system to do it properly. You might find the enthalpy of formation for some of the fatty acids but I doubt that you will find much thermodynamic data on the glyceryl or methyl esters in the literature. Anyway, natural oils contain a variable mix of this lot so the formal petro-chemical type of approach won't work here. From your previous e-mail, it occurs to me that you are completing an undergraduate project in process design rather than seriousl;y thinking of biodiesel production. Am I correct? If you are, then Chemshare, Chemcad, Aspen, Hysys (T/M )and other such software packages can be used for process design but only if you make up some hypothetical components and feed in the measured rate data to tell the software what to do. That is where the Darnoko and Cheryan paper should give you some clues. And what is the recommended temperature to carry out such reaction at practise (room temperature) ? Well. as you must have read in the Journey to Forever archives, the answer to this question is somewhere between 50C and 64.8C. This upper limit is imposed by the boiling point of methanol at one atmosphere. A deep reactor provides enough hydrostatic pressure to go a bit higher (say 70C) (and you can even stretch this a bit if you design for a cloud of collapsing bubbles and some methanol recycling by condensation). The lower limit is determined by the low rate of reaction that occurs at lower temperatures. It certainly isn't fixed and engraved in stone! We found that you can make biodiesel based on an oil containing mainly olein at 35C but we need 60C for a stearin based oil! The Arrhenius equation and the graphs given by Darnoko and Cheryan should give you the idea. You might consider repeating their work with the oil you have in mind so that you can get rates, yields and temperatures relevant to your problem. I agree entirely with Keith in that you could do a lot worse than start with Alex's Foolproof Reactor and get some personal experience. Then see if Darnoko Cheryan's models fit your observations. Certainly once you have made some biodiesel, you will know what the important parameters are and what further questions you need to ask. (IMO You should always keep in mind that the literature contains practical measurements which have been presented in a form to fit the pre- conceived ideas of the authors and the general scientific community! With your own work, you might just see something that no one else has noticed! Of such things are Nobel Prizes made
[biofuel] Re: Retrieving the gold...
Girl Mark, You mentioned the old dipping method. I am new to biodiesel and tried the dipping method yesterday at my local Burger King. Unforttunately, their container out back was almost empty, and the WVO at the bottom was solid wax. The temperature was about 35 F. What is the minimum temperature for even the dipping method to work? Dave --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for this detailed info mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark (Maria), You're right, those engine oil pumps are great! I use several of them. The 350 chevy ones with the slot type drive are hard to mate to. The GM V6 engines (2.8, 3.0, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 NOT the 4.3) are almost identical to the 350 except they have an 8mm hex drive on them, very easy to stick a cut off section of allen wrench in them to drive it. The 3.4L DOHC engine (eg. in the Lumina Eurosport) is a very high volume pump. The gears are huge! I weld a plate with a 1/2 inch pipe thread onto the top of the pump (where it would bolt to the engine). I also take the pressure releif out of the Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/bbvVKB/oEZFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S.
Perry, You live in Western PA? I live in Allegheny County. If you live nearby, can you suggest some places to ask for their WVO? I am really having trouble getting people to cooperate. Also, if you hear of any good deals on diesel vehicles or lawn tractors in the area ($2000 or less) please let me know. Dave --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Perry Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just paid $1.999/gal. for diesel tonight! In western PA, where diesel is a little on the high side, but it's not CA or FL..At this rate I'll be able to use biodiesel when it thaws in the spring since last I checked it was at $2.72/gal locally (up from $2.15/gal last August)..Love those 50mpg VW's. Perry - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S. 3.00 and 4.00 dollars a gallon OUCH OUCH OUCH I am so very pissed that diesel has reached 1.70 a gallon here. Hell I was angry when it was more than a dollar. I have never understood why gas cost so much more in Europe, not that I really ever thought about it much but it seems like rape to me. Someone please clue me in to why it cost so damn much over there. Doug -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 6:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S. $3.00 a gallon is fine by me. $4.00 and I'll start to complain. - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuel@yahoogroups.com; biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2003/March/01/local/stories/0 1local .htm Funny how the only article I could find discussing the dreaded I word Inflation is here, in a Canadian paper (must not have had to get through the censorship of the American media): http://www.simcoe.com/sc/barrie/story/915707p-1088721c.html If interest rates in the U.S. have to rise, I wonder what that will do to property values? I think a lot of folks have been focusing on that, some of them having lost some in the stock market decline, but having retained some value in their property. Natural Gas way up also: http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=LL http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? Site=LLDate=20030301Catego r Date=20030301Categor y=NEWSArtNo=303010341Ref=ARProfile=1004 don't make large bets prices will fall: http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0303/01/b05.html I didn't much like this article, as it attempts to claim that hybrids will never be looked at for their frugal gas use (let's try $5 per gallon and see who buys a hybrid), but it gave some perspective: Pragmatism trumps idealism, usually in buying a car: http://www.courier-journal.com/business/news2003/03/01/biz-3-car01- 5235.html Iranian PPI up too: http://www.irna.com/en/head/030301161639.ehe.shtml Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17 050832 69:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_ 1/g22l p?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l? M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=690001340 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees
