Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
ok doug, thanks I think that makes a little more sense, I hadnt taken that into account. Andrew On 12/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual motion machine. You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen, then you get back the same energy when they recombine. There would be no surplus to run the vehicle even if every stage was perfectly efficient, which they are very far from being. Doug Woodard St, Catharines, Ontario, Canada Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle. http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone done it? Thanks, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
If that is the case, how do you explain a car that runs off of this? I have seen video, and from what I understand it runs off only the normal battery used to start the car and the hydrogen remove from sea water. I am not an expert on this at all, but it definately interests me. By the way, where do you get the efficiences for an electrolysis reactor? Andrew On 12/28/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is this. The electrolyser is 70% efficient best case. The engine is 30% efficient best case - in use probably 8% So we have .7 x .3 = .21 conversion of electricity to rear wheel power best case. And what losses are associated with the electricity? they make the 21 % even lower and what powered the electricity? Websites like this are a cruel joke at best. If photovoltaics were free and ran an electrolyzer during the day to charge a hydride tank that you could refill from when you got home then a hydrogen vehicle would be viable. Better yet a fuel cell to escape the low efficiency of thermal processes. Fuel cells of 50% efficiency can be purchased now. Then a fuel cell electric car. Or 2 battery banks rotated daily - that may get you above 80% on storage/transport of power. Likewise 90% on electric motors can be achieved. Burning hydrogen in internal combustion is wasteful. Kirk *Andrew Katerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle. http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone done it? Thanks, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle. http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone done it? Thanks, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
