[Biofuel] Which ethanol is cheaper ?
Hello all, Cross post.courtesy Neal Van Milligen@ Sanet-MG: Brasher: Research settles which is cheaper ethanolPHILIP BRASHERWASHINGTON FARM REPORTFebruary 26, 2006Ever since farmers started selling their corn to be fermented into alcohol for motor fuel, the ethanol business has wrestled with the question: Is it a waste of energy to make energy from corn?Recent studies could put that question to rest.But they also raise a new problem for corn ethanol: It appears to be a lot more energy-efficient and better for the environment to make ethanol from corn stalks, rather than the corn itself.Two previous studies by David Pimentel at Cornell University and Tad Patzek at the University of California-Berkeley concluded that it took more energy to grow corn and process it into ethanol than the alcohol was worth.Four other studies had come to the opposite conclusion.Now, a group of Berkeley analysts, not including Patzek, came up with a way of analyzing those studies and found a series of flaws and inconsistencies among them.The Berkeley group's bottom line: Corn ethanol does indeed produce more energy than is needed to make it."For us it is a settled issue. We hope it's a settled issue for everybody," says Alexander Farrell, an assistant professor in the university's Energy and Resources Group.What was more striking about the Berkeley study was the vast potential difference between making ethanol from grain vs. making it from crop waste, grass, wood chips and other sources of plant fiber, or cellulose.Ethanol made from cellulose could offer five times the net energy as corn ethanol. That's because there is so little energy oil, coal or natural gas needed to produce the cellulose or to run the plants. (Unlike corn ethanol plants, cellulosic ethanol plants won't need coal or natural gas to operate. They'll run on electricity generated by burning a waste byproduct, lignin.)Cellulosic ethanol also would help reduce the carbon emissions that contribute to global warming. Production of corn ethanol causes seven times the carbon emissions that cellulosic would.A paper published online this month by the journal Environmental Science and Technology reported similar results to the Berkeley group.The study was funded by the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group that's promoting cellulosic ethanol as a solution to the nation's energy and environmental challenges.Even corn ethanol, according to this study, offers a "solid renewable energy return on its fossil energy investment," the article concluded.It's not just people on the left who are coming around to ethanol.American Enterprise, the monthly journal of the conservative American Enterprise Institute, published an article in its March issue promoting both ethanol and methanol as alternative motor fuels. Methanol is a form of alcohol that can be made from natural gas or coal.Farmers worldwide, including in poor countries, could benefit both from the production of crops for motor fuel and from the collapse in oil prices that would follow a big drop in global gasoline usage.The article goes so far as to recommend Congress require that all new cars be equipped to run on either gasoline or alcohol.A wholesale switch to alcohol fuel "would reverse our trade deficit, help the Third World, and cause a dramatic shift of power in favor of the West," the piece says.When was the last time the left and right agreed on an energy or environmental issue? Any issue? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: [SANET-MG] seeds of despair
Hello all, Fwd. from Sanet-MG : Seeds of despair indeed. And a bitter harvest they will surely yield. Seed registration is the wolf in sheep's clothing inasmuch as it pretends to uphold quality standards while its hidden agenda is to raise the bar for the small farmer, making it impossible for him to either save or sell his seed. This will pave the way for Monsanto, Bayer, and other mass murderers to gain control over our food security. The small farmer will end up paying a high cost for a single harvest (usually poor) of unsaveable sterile GMO poisoned seed from transnational companies, And if his neighbour does not join this globalising bandwagon, why he could be sued off his pants/dhoties/sarongs for constructive patent theft when his crop is pollinated by GMO genes. The government goons squad cna be entirely rellied upon to do their bidding. Remember Schmeiser ? In the meanwhile, the entire foodchain is irrreversibly contaminated by these untested toxic genes, and ultimately the polluted farmer will pay the polluter corporation for avoiding official harasssment, and corporate litigation. This is nothing but imperial power garbed as market forces. Chee! What a sorry mess! After the recent action by the Andhra Pradesh Govt against Monsanto, I thought we had contained these rapacious beasts from polluting our backyard. Woe is me! balaji - Original Message - From: jcummins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: [SANET-MG] seeds of despair The proposed law in India is similar to last year's proposed law in Canada. The Indian law is somewhat more draconian regarding ignoring fundamental liberty by providing trespass, search and seizure without warrant.We see were the world of crops and food is going! Totalitarian now I presume. Vol:22 Iss:16 URL: http://www.flonnet.com/fl2216/stories/20050812001408800.htm -- -- Volume 22 - Issue 16, Jul 30- Aug 12, 2005 India's National Magazine Frontline LEGISLATION Seeds of despair ANNIE ZAIDI The draft Seeds Bill seeks to dilute all the safeguards provided by the Protection of Plant Varieties and Farmers' Rights Act, 2001, to the farmer, whose existence is already fragile. K.BHAGYA PRAKASH Farmers in a Karnataka village ploughing the field. Some of the provisions of the Bill are viewed as a direct assault on the traditional rights of farmers who have been growing, exchanging, saving, reusing and selling their own seeds for centuries. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN had once said that agriculture was the only honest way for a country to acquire wealth, wherein man receives a real increase of the seed thrown into the ground, in a kind of continual miracle... The magic of this miracle is wearing thin for the Indian farmer. With over 25,000 farmers committing suicide over the past few years and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh admitting that the problems of the agricultural sector extend `beyond weather', it is time policy-makers did a rethink about agricultural policy and the related laws. In this context, one important document that needs to be looked into is the draft Seeds Bill 2004, which the Union government plans to unleash upon the farmers. It is variously described as anti-constitutional, savage, pernicious, and appalling, and accused of taking a suicidal line and being a threat to democracy. It is also criticised as being anti-farmer and preparing the Indian market for seed corporations, transnational and Indian. There is also the fear that it will give rise to an agricultural bureaucracy that has the power to harass the farmers. Some of the provisions of the Bill are viewed as a direct assault on the traditional rights of farmers who have been growing, exchanging, saving, reusing and selling their own seeds for centuries. For instance, Section 13(1) prevents anyone from buying or selling any variety of seed if it is not registered, and Section 21(1) prevents a farmer from growing or organising the production of seeds unless he is registered as such by the State government. In stark contradiction, the same Bill claims in Section 43: Nothing in this Act shall restrict the right of the farmer to save, use, exchange, share or sell his farm seeds and planting material, except that he shall not sell such seed or planting material under a brand name or which does not conform to the minimum limit of germination, physical purity, genetic purity prescribed under Clause (a) or Clause (b) of Section 6. The Bill focusses on protecting brands; enhancing the growth of the seed industry is a clearly stated objective. Though branding and compulsory registration might make seeds unaffordable for farmers, a mechanism to regulate the price is not even discussed in the Bill. There is also no provision for a cap on profit that is to be made from a given brand, nor has the parentage of the seed
Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energyefficiencies
Hello Doug, Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energyefficiencies In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old regular unleaded gas... :) Pimentel seems to be not only pumping gas but pumping for the gas industry as a whole. And it crossed my mind, How much energy was used to provide a gallon of plain old regular unleaded gas, considering all the energy consumed, not only in drilling and pumping crude, cleaning, separating, transporting, etc., but how much energy did the dinosaur consume, in the way of food, how much energy did earth processes contribute, in the way of pressures and time frames, etc. And how much energy would be consumed to convert a modern-day dinosaur (sort of in short supply) into that same gallon of gas? Consider the food he'd be eating, the fossil fuel based pesticides I'd have to use on the food source for Dino, etc... More likely you will end up with a lot of hot flue gas and some irritaing particulates, on combustion of this dino fuel. LOL. Yeah, sort of silly, but probably worth a government grant to study. doug swanson :-) Sorry to cavil, but dino-fuel is not made from dead dinosaurs as sometimes alleged. It comes from dead forests that grew in the same era, or round about then anyway. Just a clarification. There is evidence to suggest that the bulk of the liquid and gaseous hydrocarbons is derived from marine plankton, both phytoplankton and zoo plankton. Dead forest largely form the basis of bituminous coal. There is also substantial work iniitiated by the Russians and Ukrainians (and rarely reported in the West until recently) of an abyssal, abiogenic origin of petroleum, which postulates a co-eval formation of primordial petroleum with earth about 4.5 bollion years back,much earlier than the conventional era of the dinosaurs, Dinosaurs are not currently in short supply, Mike just named one, Monsanto, others would be ADM, Cargill, and ExxonMobil, Shell, BP and so on - Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Ag, and why not chuck in Big Government too, hey. There's a large meteorite headed their way though, so maybe they should all be on the endangered species list, only they've helped send so many other species there that I don't think there's any room left for them. Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New List
Hello Manoj, You can dowhole lot of things with saw dust, such as produce fuel briquettes for primary energy, generate electricity or process heat by gasifying the saw dust briquettes and even produce methanol from it. There was a similar enquiry from Upali Magedaragamage, Executive Director, National development Foundation, Sri Lanka some time back to the list. Refer to http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg40222.html Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: MANOJ To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List hi guys i am from sri lanka what are u going to do with saw dustManoj- Original Message -From: "Ron" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: 07 June 2005 8:19 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] New List I could use some design photos and diagrams. I am trying to set up a fuel plant that will make 1000 gal per day from saw dust. How about the grant? How does that work? Any input much needed. Thanks, ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ron, I built a 10 inch stripper column in 1990 I then moved a 24inch rectifier from a local oil refinary a ran for a while, selling my wet ethanol to a localethanol plant for upgrading to anhydrous, but then we got a new govener who took awayour state subsidies and my plant turned to scrapiron, at the time I was selling wet feed,and feeding 800 hogs, the stripper and condenser rusted away so I cut it up. now I am in the pickeled quail egg business and I need to startup myfeed mill and install a pellet press so I can enlarge my quail operation. 30 gallons of ethanol makes 1000 pounds of complete feed when thedistillers grains 33% of the ration, so they kinda go together, for now I will use my 1000 gallon pot still to produce 75 gallon perday, I am currently applying to USDA for a 49000 grant, to operate thisplant, I will produce anhydrous by using anhydrous lime, then using the lime as the calcium supplement for my feed. I also am buliding a pervaporation system using PVA and chitosan sorry, its hard to keep it short, 27 years of research From: ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/05/28 Sat PM 02:57:28 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List Me too Fred, How did you come with 30 gal/hr? I have done small time batch plants but yours is no batch plant. How do you do it? Is the Gov any help? Are there grants for bio diesel? So many questions and so little bandwidth!!! Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just letting everyone know I am still here, Still trying to completemy 30 gallon per hour farm anhydrous ethanol/ plant feed mill, I recently applied for theUSDA/ DOE Grant, but there were 680 applications, I finally hired an engineer to put mypackage together. I have a very good 50 page plan, The seceret to making smallscaleethanol work is to produce a complete feed with the distillers grains. Thanks forbeing here. Fred ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelis
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Hello Marcelino, - Original Message - From: Quimica Nova SA To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel Hello Balaji, Hello Bill, in spite of having a large supply of natural gas in Argentina, and cheap, there are still many places where thereare no distribution lines. In our case at the North West of the country there is a large availability of biomass, which we would like to consider for gasification: heat for our own chemical processes, for generation of our own consumption of electricity and probably for sales of electricity to the grid, and small units for poor,far located towns. Excelllent idea. See my earlier post. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg40222.html All the applications you mention have been estabished in India with indigenous technology from Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, India. We have installed a 1100 kg/hr gasifier using adual fuel burner burning Heavy Furnace Oil or Producer Gas ora combination of both to provide process heat for a Hydrofluoric Acid Plant. We have recently comissioned a 650 kWe captive power plant in a dairy unit near Chennai, Tamil Nadu, using 100% gas engines from Cummins India, and we have two grid connected systems - a 200 kWe vilage electrification project funded by UNDP and a 1250kWe Power Plant wheeling the power over the State Utility grid to its sister unit300 km away.Most of the above units use Prosopsis Juliflora, for which many thanks, since it is an import from South America. LOL. I am part of a group engaged in the manufacture of gasifiers from 20 kg/hr to 2000 kg/hr capacity for both thermal energy and power generation One of our20 kWe dual fuel gasifer plants has been operating in Butachaques Island in Chile servicing the needs of a remote indigenus community and another 20 kWe system has been functioningat the University of Sao Paulo, Brazil. Bill, can you give the name and adress, phone, e-mail, etc. of the company that supplied the biomass gasifier in Alabama? Balaji, can you give names,etc. of other manufacturers of gasifiers? Thank you very much. Marcelino Miranda President QUIMICA NOVA S.A Regards, balaji Energreen Power Limited, New Address: No. 2,3rd Street, Nandanam Extension, Chennai - 600 035 Telefax : 91(44) 2432 1339, 2432 2499 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Hello Bill. If the purpose of gasification is only providing thermal energy for the chicken house with the disposal of chicken manure (and glycerine) as added bonus, the biomass couldbe gasifiedwith a simple updraftgasifier, This will certainly produce more tarsbut these can be burnt in the gaseous state before they condense using wide port burners. However, if you wish to generate electricity using the producer gas from the gasifier to fire turbocharged/naturally aspirated generators, a downdraft gasifier would be indicated. There are issues related to bulk density and moisture content which need to be tackled first. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Bill Clark To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 4:06 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel Hi to all, Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers. They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half. There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste)must be removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem. There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency. Questions: Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier? What implications from the soap content? Proposal: Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses. As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable, perhaps it could create a reliable use for rawglycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation. I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Hoping all is well with each of you, Bill Clark ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E-100 Goal
Hello Ken, EG Solar and Zeotech have developed a stand alone off grid solar fridge which consists of the following : 1. A sorption fridge box, with a water filled jacket which is partially evacuated with 2. A hand operated vacuum pump, which passes the evacuated low boiling "steam" to a 3. Azeolite canister. which adsorbs the "steam" to saturation andis regenerated by 4. A Parabolic solar concentrator at whose focus the saturated zeolite in the canister is heated to dryness. You can get more info at http://www.eg-solar.de/english/home.htm Regards Balaji - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E-100 Goal on 6/1/05 2:19 PM, brewmaster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish to introduce myself to your group and I hope I can answer the many questions within this new and expanding industry. My knowledge from small units (26k/gpy) to up scale distillation units (+50m/gpy), should provide you some scope of what is really involved with producing 200 proof fuel grade Ethanol.Cool résumé But why bother? If you're burning it in an Otto engine,you don't need 200 pf (unless you're mixing with gasoline :-)), and ifyou're using it to make biodiesel for a Diesel engine... (I bet not),methanol works way better.But hey, do you happen to know anything about regenerating zeolite with asolar concentrating furnace?-K___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/Search the Biofuels-biz list archives:http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] uses for charcoal -- (was) simple cook stoves
Hello Pannir, - Original Message - From: Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] uses for charcoal -- (was) simple cook stoves Thank you very much Balaji You are welcome. We have lot of cocunut husk hsk here all wasted . we suerly need you help for this project development Can you give us some details about the low cost brick or ceramic gasificatio units for rural areas . Coconut husk by itself has very low bulk density and high moisture. To meet dryness needs of the process (10%), you need to firstly dry the biomass with waste heat from the exhaust of the engine generators/combustor at zero thermal energy cost. To meet denstiy requirements, you can blend coconut husk with other waste biomass such as wood, coconut shell and fronds. We had tried out equal measures of coconut husk, shell and fronds and this gasified very well. Considering your social orientation with emphasis on employment and income generation in Braziil's rural areas, you can derive coir a value added product from coconut husk. After rettting the biomass in water, the fibres are separated and twisted into hardy ropes which do not easily biodegrade even in the presence of water, owing to high lignin content. Remember the coir ropes in our village wells, which last ages? The residual powdery coir pith left from coir manufacture is very light weight and contains a lot of moisture. This will need to be binderless briquetted after drying and can also be gasified. We use a lot of insulation material both as themal and chemical barriers (not exactly ceramics) to protect the steel shell of the reactor core (~1600 deg C ) I remember IISc had tried to develop a low cost ceramic model in the early nineties, but it was not rugged enough for long term operation. In fact, if you look for extended and trouble free plant operation and life, low cost is at a discount. No pun intended :-) What about any new news from IIsc gasifaction adopted to rural areas. The first gasifiers installed in Hosahalli and Hanumanthanagara villages in Karnataka are still functional. a 20 kWe duel fuel system is installed in your own Univeristy of Sao Paulo. Another 25 kWe systems is installed in Butachaques island in Chile and services the need of the remote red Indian community there. Only 44% of rural households in India are electrified. The Ministry of Power in India has an ambitious scheme of providing power for all the remaining 78 million rural housholds in over 100, 000 villages in the next 5 years. We hope to contribute our mite to this effort. 100% gas engine generators in the 10. 20, 30, 40 kW range are now under test http://powermin.nic.in/whats_new/pdf/Rajiv_gandhi.pdf Thanking you yours sincerly P.V.Pannirselvam Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] uses for charcoal -- (was) simple cook stoves
Hello Pannir, Mike, Thomas and Steve, The open top down draught reburn gasification process developed by Indian Institute of Science and used in our power and thermal systems generates about 5% of the biomass feed as charcoal, having ~ 80% fixed carbon and Iodine Value of 450 -550. ( This IV is a measure of the mg of Iodine adsorbed per gm of charcoal and is different from the IV used to determine unsaturation in organic compounds such as fattty acids. Mehtylene Blue and CCl4 Carbon Tetra Chloride are other chemicals used to index the adsorptivity of carbon). We have developed a simple thermal activation process, where the dry charcoal as above is held at 800 Deg C for a period of 2 - 3 hours and then cooled enhancing the Iodine Value to 800. Most municipalities in the country are mandated to use Activated Carbon of IV 500 to remove colour, odour and possibly some microbes. The online tap water filters in India use a variety of finely divided silver doped Activated Carbon which has higher IV. As you rightly point out, the inorganics (and some of the organics as well) are eluted with dilute mineral acid, the cheapest being dilute HCl, when more of the surface gets opened up, increasing the IV. This has particular relevance to rural areas, where power can be generated at the pit head, so to speak and the charcoal used as an organic filter to provide clean drinking water from contaminated ground water. We are implementing a UNDP funded grid connected rural electirfication project in Karnataka where we hope to realise some of these ideas. I shall highly appreciate any leads to the study of ethanol's effect on the IV/surface area of charcoal. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Pannir P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] uses for charcoal -- (was) simple cook stoves Helo Mike , Dean Thomas and Steve The process of making or activating carbon can be simple chemical treatments to remove the inorganic metal using acids , steam oxidation of organic materials or ethanol solvent removal of oganic materials. By using appropriate filter media and support the Lye formation can eliminated and hence no need to bother as Steve thinking , as solvent can form lye surely. Steve , the poor really drink lye, water with impurities in several part of the rural areas of the worldand what we want to do is to filter the lye using activated carbon I am not able to find the results about ethanol solvent activation as this is novel and new process. Here Keith can come out with the recent work in this fields from the data banks , even though I have tried to do so with out success. For rural area this simple process is more favourable l than industrial conventional methods . sd Pannirselvam Brasil snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sillyness-was- hydrogen fire place
Hello Hakan, - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sillyness-was- hydrogen fire place Hi, I do not think that we will produce hydrogen for filling up cars, from wind, PV and may I also add hydro. The latter because the Norwegians already offer solutions. Hydrogen from renewable is needed and best used in hydrogen powered electricity generation for peak demand and periods of low output from wind etc. This can also be done with industry class security and such storage solutions will be needed. snip All other cases of H2 production you mention involve intermediation of H2O (which is no doubt cheap and available) as the carrier of H2 and electricity (which is not so cheap or avaiable). Biomass inherently possesses the stuff and gasification process can win about 80% of this from this green feedstock. Each kg of biomass (typically CH1.4 O0.74N0.005 +/-10%) has about 6-8 % w/w of H2 and can be gasified to generate about 2.7 kg of Producer Gas PG (molar volunes ~ 3% H2O, 20% H2, 20% CO, 12% CO2, 2 % CH4, rest N2). The water gas shift reaction (CO+H20 = CO2 +H2) using the CO generated further enhances the yield to about 8% w/w of biomass. Assuming biomass cost @ Rs. 1.10/kg (with 30% moisture).or US $ 25/MT, conversion cost into PG @ Rs. 0.50/kg biomass (US $ 11/MT), separation cost @ 3.00/kg of biomass (US $ 70/MT), the overall cost of H2 is still very attractive @ US $ 106/MT of biomass eq or US $ 1325/MT of H2 (Compare this with the actual cost of H2 conventionally derived from Natural Gas or other fossil sources ( ~ US $ 100/kg). In fact biomass if properly tweaked is the lowest cost H2 source in many parts of the world. . regards, balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Chrisgas
planning of many Asian nations http://www.topsoe.dk/site.nsf/all/CHAP-5ZZBB5?OpenDocument Zagros Petrochemical, a subsidiary of the Iranian National Oil Company, is building a new DME (Dimethyl Ether) plant with a capacity of 800,000 Million Tons Per Year (MTPY) of DME at Bandar Assaluyeh, Iran. Zagros is using technology and catalysts developed by Haldor Tops¿e A/S of Denmark in collaboration with the Iranian Petrochemical Research Technology Company (NPC-RT). DME, as posted earlier, is a clean burning (completely sootless) synthetic fuel that can substitute for conventional diesel, liquified petroleum gas (LPG) or be reformed into hydrogen for fuel cells. When complete this plant will increase global production capacity of DME by more than 200%. Bandar Assaluyeh is along the Persian Gulf Coast, and close to the large South Pars gas fields. An enthusiastic Haldor Tops¿e notes: This represents a breakthrough for the application of DME as a green fuel. http://phx.corporate-ir.net/preview/phoenix.zhtml?c=83417p=irol-newsArticleID=690126highlight= March 30, 2005 Syntroleum Targets Small- to Mid-Sized Gas Fields for GTL Syntroleum Corporation commemorated the successful production of more than 140,000 gallons of ultra-clean synthetic fuels at its gas-to-liquid (GTL) fuels plant at Port of Catoosa, Oklahoma. The plant also manufactured 60,000 gallons of additional products, such as syncrude. The Catoosa plant, designed and constructed under DOE's Ultra-Clean Fuels program, is a test plant that produces 70 barrels of synthetic product per day-a comparative drop in the bucket, compared to other GTL plants and technologies. But in some ways, that's the point. Unlike other GTL technologies, the Syntroleum process uses air, rather than pure oxygen. This eliminates the need for an oxygen plant attached to the GTL facility, enabling a more compact facility. Syntroleum has developed a GTL barge that can economically take the processing capability to stranded gas fields. (Schematic of the process at right. The shaded area marks where oxygen based equipment would be in other processes.) Syntroleum's air-blown process can economically scale down to 10,000 bpd of capacity vs. 35,000 to 50,000 bpd for more expensive oxygen-based processes. The capability cost-effectively to package GTL processing in smaller and even mobile platforms is important to the recovery of an enormous amount of stranded gas-much of which currently is flared off. In 2004, more than 10 billion cubic feet per day of gas was flared and vented worldwide, representing 25% of daily European gas consumption or 17% of daily US gas consumption. That same 10 billion cubic feet of gas could be converted into 1 million barrels of clean-burning synthetic fuel. Most world-class GTL technology is in large plants associated with gas fields of 5-500 Trillion cubic feet (Tcf). The Syntroleum technology can effectively address the larger number of fields with stranded gas between 0.5-5 Tcf. Founded in 1984, Syntroleum has really just turned the corner from being an energy technology development company to a company that has commercial prospects. Accordingly, Syntroleum is looking to become the leading developer of small- to medium-sized GTL projects, and a leading independent clean fuels producer. Best wishes Keith Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] EU blockade of US GM corn
Hello all, Unbelievable sloppiness? More likely very believable US govt.- biotech industry collusion to pollute the whole world with GM crops. Cross Post from Prof. Joe Cummins at SANET.MG The article below notes the value to Germany of Organic food production. US organic producers must realize that they are damaged by the continuing scandals at FDA and USDA. America's Unbelievable Sloppiness! caused GM corn blockade, says German Minister (18/4/2005) GMO CORN BLOCKADE German Consumer Protection Minister: Unbelievable Sloppiness! Spiegel International, Germany, April 18 2005 http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,352006,00.html Renate Kuenast, Germany's consumer protection minister, says Europe had no choice but to ban genetically modified corn from the United States because American farmers have no system in place for labeling GMOs and tracing them back to their producers. DPA Consumer Protection Minister Renate Kuenast: There is a lack of transparency. SPIEGEL: Ms. Kuenast, last Friday the European Union decided that no genetically modified corn from the US can enter Europe anymore. What about the ships that are anchoring in front of Rotterdam? Can they still be unloaded? Kuenast: No. Nobody will accept their cargo right now. It's about setting a precedence. The action is the only possible way of dealing with an unbelievable sloppiness -- the mixing of different genetically modified corn families. The so-called Bt10 corn from the US, with its resistance against the antibiotic Ampicillin is neither permitted in the US nor in Europe. The EU has not banned all US corn imports. It is merely demanding proof that the imported corn products do not include any Bt10. SPIEGEL: ... which the Americans are unable to provide. Kuenast: That's a problem. In the US, unlike Europe, genetically-modified food isn't labelled and it can't be traced back to the producer. This deficiency is a stumbling block in cases like this. There is a lack of transparency. SPIEGEL: US agricultural corporations are now threatening to sue for billions in damages. Isn't the measure excessive? Kuenast: The Europeans, and especially we Germans, have also learned our lesson. Think of the BSE (mad cow disease) scandal or foot-and-mouth disease. They cost farmers and the EU billions. And as a consequence we introduced transparent rules both in Berlin and Brussels that are easy to monitor. Ever since, consumer protection has had top priority. SPIEGEL: But couldn't it be that you want to force the world to adopt your rigid position on agricultural genetic engineering. According to estimates of the German Economics Ministry, this position comes at the expense of both know-how and jobs. Kuenast: It's quite the contrary. Organic farming has already created 150,000 jobs in Germany alone. A study by Ernst Young showed that there are only 2,000 jobs in the sector of agricultural genetic engineering. And our clear-cut requirements -- security, labeling, and traceability -- have already created an economic advantage, especially in the export sector. Throughout the world, consumers are weary of genetically modified products. Producers know this. For many, abstaining from these products is already paying off. SPIEGEL: The US are going to fight the Brussels decision. What do you think the outcome will be? Kuenast: I do acknowledge that the decision is a challenge for the US. But I do not believe that a solution lies in imposing further trade restrictions. SPIEGEL: US diplomats have indirectly threatened in recent days and weeks that there could be an escalating trade war. Kuenast: I would not phrase it that way. SPIEGEL: Then how would you phrase it? Kuenast: The Americans were very committed on the issue. They wanted to change our mind, but, as you can see, without success. SPIEGEL: So you expect the US to follow Germany's fixation with the environment? Kuenast: Rubbish. To begin with, this is a European measure, not a German one. And US corn exporters have to comply with EU rules just as European exporters have to comply with US rules. But I do believe that America will start discussing whether the current lax position on genetically modified foods is still maintainable. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bill Moyers on National Security
on with less and less accountability to democratic institutions, has become a way of life. And now we are faced with a question brand new in our history. Can we have the permanent warfare state and democracy too? Congressional hearings: A shellfish toxin - Moyers: In 1975 as the war in Vietnam came to an end, Congress took its first public look at the Secret Government. Senator Frank Church chaired the Select Committee to study government operations. The hearings opened the books on a string of lethal activities. From the use of electric pistols and poison pellets, to Mafia connections and drug experiments. And they gave us a detailed account of assassination plots against foreign leaders and the overthrowing of sovereign governments. We learned, for example, how the Nixon administration had waged a covert war against the government of Chile's president, Salvador Allende who was ultimately overthrown by a military coup and assassinated. Senator Church: Like Caesar peering into the colonies from distant Rome, Nixon said the choice of government by the Chileans was unacceptable to the President of the United States. The attitude in the White House seemed to be - if in the wake of Vietnam, I can no longer send in the Marines, then, I will send in the CIA. Moyers: This remains for me the heart of the matter. The men who wrote our Constitution, our basic book of rules, were concerned that power be held accountable. No party of government and no person in government, not even the President, was to pick or choose among the laws to be obeyed. But how does one branch of government blow the whistle on another? Or how do the people cry foul when their liberties are imperiled, if public officials can break the rules, lie to us about it, and then wave the wand of national security to silence us? Can it happen again? You bet it can. The apparatus of secret power remains intact in a huge White House staff operating in the sanctuary of presidential privilege. George Bush has already told the National Security Council to take more responsibility for foreign policy which can of course be exercised beyond public scrutiny. And a lot of people in Washington are calling for more secrecy, not less, including more covert actions. This is a system easily corrupted as the public grows indifferent again, and the press is seduced or distracted. So one day, sadly, we are likely to discover once again that while freedom does have enemies in the world it can also be undermined here at home, in the dark, by those posing as its friends. I'm Bill Moyers. Good night. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Economics calls the shots in biotech industry
Hello all, Cross post http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/11/INGHT44JFS1.DTL Biotech critics at risk : Economics calls the shots in the debate Mark Dowie Sunday, January 11, 2004 Four biologists from Europe and North America met face to face for the first time on the UC Berkeley campus last month. Although none of them is particularly famous as a scientist -- not one Nobel among them -- they know each other's names and work as well as if they had been working together for 10 years in the same laboratory. They share a painful experience. Between 1999 and 2001, unbeknownst to the others, each made a simple but dramatic discovery that challenged the catechism of the same powerful industry -- biotechnology -- that by then had become the handmaiden of industrial agriculture and the darling of venture capitalists, who are still hoping they have invested their most recent billions in the next big thing. If any one of the experiments of these four scientists is proved through replication to be valid, the already troubled agricultural arm of biotech will be in truly dire straits. No one knows that better than Monsanto, Sygenta and other biotech firms that have so aggressively attacked the four discoveries in question. When he was the principal scientific officer of the Rowett Institute in Aberdeen, Scotland, Hungarian citizen Arpad Pusztai fed transgenically modified potatoes to rodents in one of the few experiments that have ever tested the safety of genetically modified food in animals or humans. Almost immediately, the rats displayed tissue and immunological damage. After he reported his findings, which eventually underwent peer review and were published in the United Kingdom's leading medical journal, Lancet, Pusztai's home was burglarized and his research files taken. Soon thereafter, he was fired from his job at Rowett, and he has since suffered an orchestrated international campaign of discreditation, in which Prime Minister Tony Blair played an active role. While Pusztai was fighting for his professional life, Cornell Professor John Losey was patiently dusting milkweed leaves with genetically modified corn pollen. When monarch butterfly larvae that ate the leaves died in significant numbers (while a control group fed nongenetically modified pollen all survived), Losey was not particularly surprised. The new gene patched into the butterfly's genome was inserted to produce an internal pesticide, Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt), intended to attack and kill the corn borer and some particularly troublesome moth caterpillars. What did surprise Losey was the vehement attack on his study that followed from Novartis and Monsanto, their open attempts to discredit his work and the extent to which mass media leapt to their support. Losey is still at Cornell, where his future seems secure. Not true of Ignacio Chapela, a microbial ecologist in the plant sciences department at UC Berkeley. In 2000, Chapela discovered that pollen had drifted several miles from a field of genetically modified corn in Chiapas into the remote mountains of Oaxaca in Mexico, landing in the last reserve of biodiverse maize in the world. If genes from the rogue pollen actually penetrated the DNA of traditional crops, they could potentially eliminate maize biodiversity forever. In his report, Chapela cautiously stated that this indeed might have happened. He expressed that sentiment in a peer-reviewed study published by Nature in November 2001. After an aggressive public relations campaign mounted for Monsanto by the Bivings Group, a global PR firm that began with a vicious e-mail attack mounted by two scientists who turned out to be fictitious, Nature editors did something they had never done in their 133 years of existence. They published a cautious partial retraction of the Chapela report. Largely on the strength of that retraction, Chapela was recently denied tenure at UC Berkeley and informed that he would not be reoffered his teaching assignment in the fall. When Tyrone Hayes, a UC Berkeley endocrinologist specializing in amphibian development, exposed young frogs in his lab to very small doses of the herbicide Atrazine, they first failed to develop normal larynxes and later displayed serious reproductive problems (males became hermaphrodites), suggesting that Atrazine might be an endocrine disrupter. Hayes' subsequent experience differed slightly from the other panelists', but was no less troubling to academic scientists. As soon as word of Hayes' findings reached Sygenta Corp. (formerly Novartis) and its contractor, Ecorisk Inc., attempts were made to stall his research. Funding was withheld. It was a critical time, as the EPA was close to making a final ruling on Atrazine. Hermaphroditic frogs would not help Sygenta's cause. Hayes continued the research with his own funds and found more of the same results, whereupon Sygenta offered him $2 million
Re: Algae - was Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
. There are, however, large variances in the repsonse of various algal strains to these conditions and much more field work needs to be done before anything definitive can be said.The ASP was a path breaking and inspired programme. It is a pity it had to peter out due to want of funds. :( . I«ve read a little about this idea but dismissed it because of the water removal problems seemed so great. Was I wrong? Cold pressing with hydraulic presses and/or solvent extraction seems to have worked for many. Most of these reports are however episodic and not peer reviewed (which is neither here nor there) possibly due to IPR issues. There may still be life in algae which are overwhelmingly responsible for oxygen on earth. Even if you extract 70% of the oil in the algae after sundrying/cold pressing/solvent extraction (a figure touted by many in the field), it is still a bigger deal and much hugher than what you will get with terrestrial oil seeds. Whether it is doable now or on a small scale remains to be proven. Regards, balaji Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: O'Neil Brooke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/04/05 22:20 Subject: RE: Algae - was Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices Hey Keith, I did some reading, but have not taken any concrete actions yes. I don't buy the whole hexane separation thing. Why would algae be any different than any other oil feedstock? Squeeze it hard enough and we should get oil! I forget the name of the type of press, but the schematics of it look like a screw mounted horizontally. The algae would be fed in one end and as the squeezed material gets closer to the other end the internal pressure increases. This kind of press is used to extract oil from seeds I don't see why it wouldn't work with algae. Perhaps a hexane solution would increase the amount of oil extracted from the same amount of algae, but, so what! Who wants to play with hexane? I don't and I don't want a dependence upon materials I cannot make/source myself. Large scale presses like this are used for waste treatment. I guess they take sludge and run it through this press to get hardened waste pellets and cleaned waste water. So if oil can be extracted from algae with this basic design then the industrial sized presses are available and are a known entity. (read reduced risk) I will have access to a large amount of algae in a month or two. Does anyone on the list have a press and are willing to try an experiment? I can dry it out, box it up and ship it. A couple of kilograms should be sufficient for a first run. Cheers, O'Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Algae - was Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices Hello John Perhaps a better solution for Hawaii would be an algae based oil source. I have seen several references to it but haven't investigated as of yet. It seems you could use all kinds of land not currently used for agriculture. Would you like me to supply some links? Mike Briggs at UNH is at the forefront of this work. http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html So people keep saying, and they've been saying it for quite awhile, but I don't see anything coming out of it other than this one article. And what have we here? http://www.green-trust.org/biodiesel.htm How much land is needed to replace fossil fuels used for transportation? by Michael S. Briggs :-) As I often find with people chasing after algae (not with O'Neil though, the list member I referred to, he just wants to produce his own oil independently, same with others), they're tempted by the promised high yields and go chasing after the holy grail of how we can get to continue our amazingly wasteful and profligate gas-guzzling and avoid the cold turkey. It ain't going to work that way, algae or no algae. The party's over, especially for the OECD and more especially for the US: On a per capita basis, the US, with 4.6% or world's population, uses 5.4 times more than its fair share of the world's energy, the EU 2.6 times its share, Germany 2.6 times its share, France 2.8 times its share, Japan 2.7 times its share, Australia 3.8 times its share. India uses one-fifth of its fair share, Sudan less than one-fifth its share, Nepal less than one-fifth its share. The average American uses twice as much energy as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce more per head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it. From: World energy use http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse As I said, it's mostly waste. Have a look at some of Hakan's previous posts about building efficiency for instance. Average fuel consumption of US vehicles is higher now than it was 20 years ago. Etc etc. Nothing about this is sustainable, especially perhaps
[Biofuel] Confessions of Empire
swoosh, McDonald's arches and Coca-Cola logo became symbols of companies whose primary goals were to clothe and feed the world's poor in environmentally beneficial ways. Yes, the perceptions are important, but so are the institutions. Perkins should by now be aware of two historic truths: 1) Between the demands of financial markets and legal interpretations of the fiduciary responsibility of corporate officers, global for-profit corporations face strong pressures to maximize returns to their shareholders without regard to social or environmental consequences; and 2) Any unaccountable concentration of institutional power is an invitation to the very corruption he so skillfully documents. David C. Korten is the author of WHEN CORPORATIONS RULE THE WORLD and THE POST-CORPORATE WORLD: Life After Capitalism. Both are published by Berrett-Koehler. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Hello All, Here I measure my verse metres in feet, How's that for innovation you simply can't beat ? You can't use either or or, You have got to use both, or you are done for. You are damned if metric and damned if imperial, But with both in conjunction, you can get real. The USAns, they do them things different. No matter if the traffic is afferent or efferent. When cars keep to the left in the rest o' the world, The USAn's lips are sneering and curled. If it's left, it very ain't very bright, So all vehicles (and govts.) swerve dangerously to the Right (:-}. American football, you guessed right, is played with hands. And the spectators are regaled with cheerleaders and bands. They measure their weights in ounce and pound Causing our collective heads to spin round and round. They abhor the weighty gram the kg and the Tonne, Much as Sir George More did John Donne. As to the US bushel, is it volume or weight, I shall never know, so don't pick a fight. Why is the older Winchester favour'd, do u know, Because it's different, there you go. In gallons, they are in honour to Queen Anne bound, They are the new Imperium, sh... make no sound. Regards. balaji The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. You don't know how to send a rocket into space but that doesn't stop you from enjoying the stars. - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Luc, Metric has an unhealthy obsession with the number 10. Andy On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:26:47 -0500, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Andrew; Of course you do know that the yanks are now more confused than before eh? 1,000kg must be multiplied by 2.2 to get lbs. :-) . Of course this could be another wonderful opportunity to learn metric, the rest of the planet has. Luc - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Gregory Petit wrote: Hello everybody, [snip] ... ... ... Can someone tell me what MT means? English is not my mothertongue :) I only know that MT means MegaTon and it is used to say how strong explosives are, but I don't think that's what they mean ;-) Metric Ton - I suppose it's a way of descibing to Yanks what a tonne, 1000kg, is without confusing them with metric. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Hello All, Measurement is accomplished through the comparison of a measurand with some known quantity of the same kind. The term weights and measures signifies those standard quantities by which such comparisons are achieved. Standard quantities may be established arbitrarily or by reference to some universal constant. Standards for different kinds of quantities may develop separately or may be integrated into logical systems of units. Originally standard measures were four in number: those for mass (weight), volume (liquid or dry measure), length, and area. To these have been added standard measurements of temperature, luminosity, pressure, electric current, and others. The earliest standard measurements appeared in the ancient Mediterranean cultures and were based on parts of the body, or on calculations of what man or beast could haul, or on the volume of containers or the area of fields in common use. The Egyptian cubit is generally recognized to have been the most widespread unit of linear measurement in the ancient world. It came into use around 3000 BC and was based on the length of the arm from the elbow to the extended finger tips. It was standardized by a royal master cubit of black granite, against which all cubit sticks in Egypt were regularly checked. One of the earliest known weight measures was the Babylonian mina. Two surviving examples vary widely-one weighs 640 g (about 1.4 pounds), the other 978 g (about 2.15 pounds). The terms ounce, inch, pound, and mile come from the Roman adoption of earlier Greek measuring units. The Roman system of measurement persisted into the Middle Ages in Europe, but there was great diversity of standards. Thereafter various national governments made efforts to standardize their systems, producing a welter of often confusing units and standards. The British Imperial and U.S. Customary are two of the most elaborate such systems. The first proposal for what would later become the metric system was made by a French clergyman, Gabriel Mouton, around 1670. He suggested a standard linear measurement based on the length of the arc of one minute of longitude on the Earth's surface and divided decimally. Mouton's proposal was much discussed and refined, but it was not until 1795 that France officially adopted the metric system. Its spread throughout the rest of Europe was accelerated by the military successes of the French Revolution and Napoleon, but in many places it took a long time to overcome the nonrational customary systems of weights and measures that had been used for centuries. Now the standard system in most nations, the metric system has been modernized to take into account 20th-century technological advances. In Paris in 1960 an international convention agreed on a new metric-based system of units. This was the Systme Internationale (SI). Six base units were adopted: the metre (length), the kilogram (mass), the second (time), the ampere (electric current), the degree Kelvin (temperature), and the candela (luminosity). Each was keyed to a standard value. The kilogram was represented by a cylinder of platinum-iridium alloy kept at the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in Svres, France, with a duplicate at the U.S. National Bureau of Standards. The kilogram is the only one of the six units represented by a physical object as a standard. In contrast, the metre was set to be 1,650,763.73 wavelengths in vacuum of the orange-red line of the spectrum of krypton-86, and the other units were related to similarly derived natural standards. Other units derived from basic SI units include the coulomb (charge), joule (energy), newton (force), hertz (frequency), watt (power), ohm (resistance), and cubic metre (volume). Copyright © 1994-2002 Encyclop¾dia Britannica, Inc. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements Hello Luc and all Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? It might not be unhealthy but it's probably rather primitive, considering it's based on counting with your fingers. I can't figure it out (not even when I use my toes too), but mathematicians have said a base-12 system would be more efficient than base-10. Also 12 is a better number than 10: 3x4 is more flexible than 5x2. The Sumerians apparently had a base-12 system, of which bits and pieces still remain (dozens, 24 hours, pence until recently). Mysterious - why did they do that? The number of months in the year was more obvious to them than the fingers on their hands? (Or did they have six fingers?) With six fingers on both hands, they were probably doubly lucky to get away with it :-). The base 12 for matters temporal are more a result of seasonal changes spread over roughly twelve lunar cycles of 29 1/2 days. Also ancient traditions in astrology and astronomy, posit the solar year as the basis of a cycle of about 12 * 30 days, each named after constellations or kings. However, it is intriguing that both in Babylonian and ancient Hindu tradition the day is divided into 60 units (5 x 12) instead of 24 hours. According to the Yagnavalkya Smriti, the height of a man or woman is exactly equal to 96 (12 x 8) fingers' width taken four at a time and Prana or life force (equivalent to the Chinese chi) extends a further 12 fingers width beyond the head. The system is simple, it's easy to learn and does the job. Water freezes at zero and boils at 100. Three year olds get it, so why is it that the USA is the only country in the world that still doesn't ? It is not a question of intelligence 'cause for the most part they got plenty of that, so it has to be something else. Could be it that it is that it would not be particularly and uniquely American and would be too much like becoming a part of the world community and not trying to be the leader of it ? The later sounds an awful lot like hubris and arrogance, however it does reflect reality somewhat better than any other explanation. The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. With length, for instance, the de facto metric measures that are the most widely known and used are centimetres and metres. But the gap between centimetres and metres is too wide. Centimetres are often too small, inches can be more convenient, and multiples of 12 can make for more convenient packages than multiples of 100. Sure, there are the intermediate measures, but who ever uses them? Or even knows them? Did you ever try putting a one-metre ruler in your pocket? A one-foot ruler's just fine though, 30 cm. So is the gap between the litre and the KL. There is need for a volume unit equal to a pail, a bucket and a barrel. Robert mentioned this previopusly: The only problem with the metric system is that the pitch of metric threads is so narrow that bolts don't seem to have the same holding power that SAE threads have. I'm sure there are others... I think a lot of us who started off with one system and then changed to the other have ended up with a sort of hybrid, hopefully the best of both worlds. I prefer litres to gallons and grams to ounces, but if I have to pick something up or carry it, lbs still mean more to me than kgs, and miles are clearer than kms. snip Best wishes Keith Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel in confined spaces
Hello all, Kansas Salt Mine Goes Entirely Biodiesel Air quality is a critical issue for workers who use diesel engines in confined spaces, and using biodiesel fuel in mining equipment is one way to help protect their health. http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=21019; January 14, 2005 Hutchinson, Kansas [RenewableEnergyAccess.com] Air quality is a critical issue for workers who use diesel engines in confined spaces, and using biodiesel fuel in mining equipment is one way to help protect their health. The Kansas Soybean Commission (KSC), Hutchinson Salt Company and National Biodiesel Board (NBB) recently hosted a tour of the salt company's mine in Hutchinson, Kansas. The Hutchinson Salt Co. is the first mine of any kind to use B100 (100 percent biodiesel). We use B100 biodiesel in everything underground that runs on diesel, said Max Liby, VP of Manufacturing for the mine. The main benefit is we've cleaned up soot in the air and have cut particulates. Workers, particularly the operator of the loaders, like the soy biodiesel much better because they say particulates do not get in their nostrils and the air is noticeably cleaner. Hutchinson Salt Co. began using biodiesel in June 2003, and used 31,229 gallons of B100 in the first year. Biodiesel is a great fuel for use inside mines, said Harold Kraus, soybean farmer and NBB Director. It is made from a natural product, so the air mine workers breathe from B100 is also natural. Besides cutting emissions, biodiesel also has a pleasant odor when it burns. According to the ABB, Biodiesel is the first and only alternative fuel to have fully completed the Heath Effects testing requirements of the Clean Air Act. Dr. There is a recognition that petroleum-based products, with their toxins, are affecting the health of the people, said Bailus Walker, MPH, past president of the American Lung Association of Washington, D.C. There's no question about it; the epidemiological data is there, and it is solid. We need to explore in a more aggressive way alternative fuels. I would strongly recommend, as a health professional, we take a hard look at what is being accomplished with biodiesel. The salt mine is one of more than 500 fleets using biodiesel. That number is expected to continue to rise, in part due to a biodiesel tax incentive bill that will take effect as law on January 1. The tax incentive should make biodiesel more accessible to the general public as it will significantly narrow the cost gap between biodiesel and regular diesel fuel, which will in turn fuel demand and supply. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
Hello Tomas and all, - Original Message - From: Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Hi, rough cost estimate would be 1$ for one watt of the turbine's rated power output. Current state of the art turbines are up to 5MW power, their price reaches, accordingly, 5,000,000$. Mainstream turbines are a little bit smaller - in the 0.5 - 2.5 MW range. Energy captured by a windmill varies with air density, the square of its diameter, and the cube of wind velocity. So, even a small increase in windspeed yields very significant gains in wind energy, e.g. the energy in the wind @ 6m/s is 27 times the energy in the wind at the usual cut-in speed of 2 ms/s. Surface roughness on the land such as trees, man made structures and grasses act as windbreaks, cause turbulence and dissipate the energy in the wind leading to lower outputs at lower altitudes. Steady state winds with more or less laminar flows are still available at the same location but at greater heights above ground (50 - 200 M) over the turbulent zone. Higher windspeeds also blow during monsoons when the mean windspeeds increase. Though the state of the art guarantees 95% machine availability, resource availability allowing for seasonal and diurnal quiescence is typically 20-25%. Plant Load Factor (PLF) goes for a six as a consequence. Compared to diesel generators and thermal plants, which typically operate at 70-80% PLF, windmills operate at around 20% PLF. You therefore need to invest about US $ 4 Million on a windmill compared to US $ 1 Million on a thermal power plant to generate the same number of units. Windmills are therefore gentle giants that use only a quarter of their capacity. As the wind mills grow bigger (~120 M diameter), the hub height rises (~110M), the mean windspeed is higher leading to higher electricity output (~ 4.2 MW), even in low windspeed regimes. This is the reason why wind mills are becoming bigger and bigger to take advantage of the faster windspeeds. The problem with land based is therefore turbulence caused by surface roughness. There is also the small problem of land based crane capacity which sets an upper limit on the maximum nacelle weight. RE Power of Germany, Siemens nee Bonus of Germany Denmark, GE Power nee Enron nee Tacke are all in the single multi MW windmill game. In India (~ 2400 MW) , Tamilnadu is at the forefront with over 1500 MW installed. Suzlon recently commissioned a 2 MW system in TN. Turbines, which are seated in the sea have a premium above this OTOH, the wind regime offshore or nearshore is much better owing to very low surface roughness. Remember all those windmills on the beaches. In my earlier avatar as an offshore fabricator, I remember having to hold on to the handrails for dear life out of fear of being blown right across the upper deck/helipad. The wind regime at 25 M height out at sea is typically what you would find at 100 - 200 M on land. This is the reason why, despite the horrendous costs of installing offshore windmills (designing for corrosion, wind, wave, seismic loads and their temporal variations and synergies) and maintaining them in one of the most hostile outposts known to engineering, besides evacuating the generated power to the land based grid with sub sea cabling including losses, offshore windfarms provide more bang for the buck with their better resource availability. PLF and smaller windmill sizes for the same output. Back in the early nineties, our group at Madras/Chennai had envisioned an integrated offshore platform comprising a windmill above the sea, wave energy device such as a Wells Turbine/Duck at the wind wave interface and an ocean current energy device submerged undersea. We hope to be able to install such a device in the next 5 years. Regards balaji Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Human guinea pigs
of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists. 1986 - A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines. 1987 - Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation. 1990 - More than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an experimental measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental. 1994 - With a technique called gene tracking, Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made. 1994 - Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War. 1995 - U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research. 1995 - Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections. 1996 - Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents. 1997 - Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use Gulf War Syndrome. For more on these important matters, see our two-page mind control summary at http://www.WantToKnow.info/mindcontrol or even better, the information-packed 10-page summary at http://www.WantToKnow.info/mindcontrol10pg. By informing your friends and colleagues of these little-reported facts, you can help to build the critical mass necessary to force the media to give adequate coverage and stop these abuses. Let us work towards ever greater transparency Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Harmonic resonant cancer cure
through the use of hand-held, footplate, or stick-on electrodes. Proper frequency exposure and flushing of the body with large amounts of clean, pure water is critical to achieve the kind of results Rife got. These procedures are fully explained in the manuals of the best units on the market. So, unless you would be satisfied with sporadic results for minor conditions, it is suggested you use only the highest quality equipment and only the proper, proven procedures in your personal research. If you do, you may discover that nothing can approach what can be achieved through the application of these safe, time-tested frequencies (many for over 65 years), and all without drugs, surgery, or radiation. One day, the name of Royal Raymond Rife may ascend to its rightful place as the giant of modern medical science. Until that time, his fabulous technology remains available only to the people who have the interest to seek it out. While perfectly legal for veterinarians to use to save the lives of animals, Rife's brilliant frequency therapy remains taboo to orthodox mainstream medicine because of the continuing threat it poses to the international pharmaceutical medical monopoly that controls the lives - and deaths - of the vast majority of the people on this planet. For excellent radio interviews with experts on Royal Rife: http://commander.tapley.org/Rife/Rife-Part-1a.mp3 http://commander.tapley.org/Rife/Rife-Part-1b.mp3 Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Supercritical
Hello all, A new method for the preparation of fatty acid esters broadcast on yet2.com http://www.yet2.com/app/utility/special?c=4144l=106u=133986 Method and apparatus for preparing fatty acid esters A fatty acid ester can be obtained in a high yield by a method comprising reacting fats and oils with a monohydric alcohol under conditions where the monohydric alcohol is in a supercritical state, and by an appratus suitable for the method. When the method and apparatus of the present invention are used, the discharge of the unreacted raw materials and/or the intermediate products is suppressed, and thus the fatty acid esters can be prepared at a high yield. Even when the reactor having a small volume and a short length is used, the high yield of the fatty acid ester can be achieved. Must be frightfully costly both to acquire and to operate considering it is in the supercritical phase (Very high pressures and therefore very expensive seals, even if you use low cost ethanol as the solvent) Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Donation Info
Hello Gustl, - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Donation Info Hallo Keith, Again, no thanks necessary. This is a pure pleasure for me. snip I think that at this time of the year there are holidays nearly worldwide. Were I not a religious person I would still be thankful for the cold quiet and beauty of winter which gives the land a time of rest and stillness, at least in the northern climates. Winter is my favorite time of year. I do miss the snow we once had when I was a child. We have hardly been able to ski for the last 15 years or so unless we went farther north. When I was younger we had the snow from November through to sometimes mid-March.There is something very restful about going out in the dark and checking up on and caring for the animals. Nothing quite beats the cold, quiet, peaceful winter night. Then after seeing that they have sufficient food and water to get them through the night one is able to come into the house, load the wood into the furnace for the night, and enjoy the warmth and rest. Winter is a period of stillnes, rest and contemplation and a preparation for nature's cyclic renewal. Reminds me of Keat's St. Agnes Eve and his unforgettable word pictures. Ah, bitter chill it was, The owl for all its feathers was acold the hare ran limping through the frozen grass. And numb were the beadsman's fingers as he told the rosary The interiors in northern climes are all the warmer as a result. Winter is also much more pleasant in the balmier south than the hotter summer. Chennai for instance is 18-26 Deg C in Dec- Feb, and hosts one of the largest classical music and dance jamboress in the world. We have over 3000 of these fixtures dotted across town spread over 50 days. and most of them for free. There is a huge influx of Carnatic music aficianados from all over the globe during this time and the festive if chaotic schedule is simply overwhelming. We also have a strong tradition of exhilerating early morning (~5 AM) temple poojas during the Tamil lunar month of Marghazi (15 Dec to 15 Jan). I wish you all of whatever tradition the best of the season and I wish the same for my brothers and sisters who do not have a religious tradition. We are all one. Wish us all, from whatever cultural and religious tradition or not, the best of the very best season of the year. Regards. balaji Happy Happy, Gustl snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] The next four years
Hello Ken, - Original Message - From: Ken Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 US Presidential Election Results It's no surprise that the whole world wanted a Kerry win. From the media and e-mails and comments from Americans, i though Kerry would have won without breaking a sweat but we now know otherwise. The scary implication of this win is that it projects an America that believes in George Bush more than Kerry. There might have been other issues, issues that deal with American way of life but these issues are not known by foreigners. Among others, there were many national issues such as fear of another Al Qaeda attack (ably abetted by the strategic release of the Osama tape), evangelical support from the Christian Right, same sex marriages, addiction to cheap oil, export of jobs by outsourcing, an absence of investigative reporting by the major mainstream networks. But most of this is now available in the public internet domain. The only policies the people of the world know are the foreign policies of the United States which affect non-Americans essentially all over the world everyday. The conclusion people in the rest of the world will make now is that American is George bush and George Bush is America and the next 4 years will be the same as the last 4 years. Not true. Even with the reported vote fraud, Bush won only by a narrow margin. God Bless America if GWB and USA become synonyms. However, in the next 4 years, you can expect a sharpened focus on other oil strategic countries such as Syria, Iran, Sudan and the Caspian littoral states. Other interventions to shore up the dollar would also be heavy handed. The US will get increasigly mired in Iraq and the biggest beneficiary would be Al Qaeda. The US will increasingly be isolated in the international arena and there will be serious confrontation with the EU, Russia and China over Iran. But, Kerry would not have made any difference on most of these issues except perhaps for a more calibrated and inclusive approach at an international level. And his energy policy would not have been so blatantly hijacked by corporate interests. If you did an accounting of how many people died less how many people were saved because of American foreign policy, you'd see that there is still a very big gap between the 2. At the last death count, the US was outnumbered almost 100 to 1 by the Iraqis they purportedly liberated. Lastly, i belive that the terrorists of today are the direct product of the wrong past and present American foreign policies. Quite true. Osama was a Mujahedin recruited by the CIA for the Afghan campaign against the former USSR. Recent history is replete with examples of covert intervention in other countries by the CIA. America is looked up today because of the good leadership it had shown in the past. I hope her people will realize that and lead again for everyones sake. The US is today hostage to a President who cares little about the environment and even less about the grave havoc he is wreaking not only on his own people by his fiscal profligacy, proximity to Big Oiligarchy and religious bigotry, but also on the larger world by his persistent war mongering. At this rate, he will soon bleed the country white. I weep for the millions of decent citizens of this great land including several of my friends, cousins, nephews and nieces who certainly deserve better. Regards to all snip Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry Won
Hello Keith, My, my !! And I thought poll booth capturing was a purely Third World phenomenon, where local paid goons openly terrorise and prevent the predominantly backward castes from voting. Ballot papers are stuffed wholesale into ballot boxes. These tactics started in the early Seventies and later perfected in the Hindi heartland by caste politicians like Laloo Yadav,the Indian Railway Minister, Rajju Bhaiya of Uttar Pradesh and other home grown scum has been the bane of the world's largest democracy. At least we have adequate checks in the form of an independent overseer, the Election Commission, which countermands such blatant rigging and mandates repolling in booths where irregularities have been noticed. It has its job cut out with over 650 Million registered voters and over 55% polling in most elections. Recently Chapra constituency where Laloo contested the polls was repolled owing to massive rigging. Imagine if the poll results were left to the devices of Rabri Devi, his wife and the current Chief Minister of Bihar. Now that we are increasingly relying on voting machines, their job is rendered even easier. These denizens would only be too glad to out Bush Bush, leaving no paper trail. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Kerry Won http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-36.htm Published on Thursday, November 4, 2004 by TomPaine.com Kerry Won by Greg Palast snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.
that decision without preparation and many years of meditation. A person embracing all religions won't be prepared to enter the test. Let's hope I'm wrong about all this. On the contrary, the struggle between God and Satan or Good and Evil is as old as the hills and predates Christ by several million years. It also encapsulates an inherent paradox, which can be resolved only when we transcend denominations, local habitation and name. Who created Satan, if not God ? Is this God then a lesser god conditioned and locked in combat with satan in an eternal, unending and ultimately unequal conflict ? Who then created Satan ? Is there an underlying Spirit or greater Soul, that subsumes all of creation, including the lesser god/s and satan? Does this not lead to absolute Monism and the unity of Matter Spirit ? And to cosmic consciousness and Oceanic feeling of oneness with the Universe ? There are no easy answers to this. List participants of different faiths may not understand or agree with my statements (very sorry about that). Some Christian list participant will be able to listen and understand. Peace!! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand snip Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.
that decision without preparation and many years of meditation. A person embracing all religions won't be prepared to enter the test. Let's hope I'm wrong about all this. On the contrary, the struggle between God and Satan or Good and Evil is as old as the hills and predates Christ by several million years. It also encapsulates an inherent paradox, which can be resolved only when we transcend denominations, local habitation and name. Who created Satan, if not God ? Is this God then a lesser god conditioned and locked in combat with satan in an eternal, unending and ultimately unequal conflict ? Who then created Satan ? Is there an underlying Spirit or greater Soul, that subsumes all of creation, including the lesser god/s and satan? Does this not lead to absolute Monism and the unity of Matter Spirit ? And to cosmic consciousness and Oceanic feeling of oneness with the Universe ? There are no easy answers to this. List participants of different faiths may not understand or agree with my statements (very sorry about that). Some Christian list participant will be able to listen and understand. Peace!! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand snip Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Backyard tools - log splitter
Hello Go, Please send me a copy too. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Backyard tools - log splitter Hey Go, Could you send me a copy of the pic as well? I would like to see it in action as well. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 03:32 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Backyard tools - log splitter snip Sure Bob, a sort of pile driver! But the whole idea is to make something easy adapted from junk bits and piesces. I wouldn't mind a 10 ton hydraulic splitter either but untill I can make one myself from free parts I have to use what I got. I am sending you a pic to your e-mail address (because I still havn't understood how to post pics to the list) of the thing in action next to a split pile. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
(In Rs. 450/MT). including power, manning and maintenance costs. The generation cost/kWh of electricity in the 100% gas mode would then work out to : 1. Cost of raw material @ 1.2 kg/kWh @ $ 10/MT=US c 1.20 (In Rs. 0.55) 2. Cost of lube oil @ 1.5 gm/kWh @ $ 2/kg= US c 0.33 (In Rs. 0.15) 3. Cost of manning @ 8 manhours/MWh @ $ 5/manhour= US c 0.45 (In Rs. 0.20) 4. Other maintenance costs @ 5% of the capital investment= US c 0.57 (In Rs. 0.25) 5. Interest amortisation costs @ US c 0.8/kWh= US c 0.80 (In Rs. 0.35) Total generation cost/kWh= US c 3.35 (In Rs. 1.50) If on the other hand you assume the landed cost of saw dust as US $ 20/MT (In Rs. 900/MT), as we do for most woody biomass in India, the feedstock cost would increase by another US c 2.4 and generation cost would increase to US c 5.75/kWh (In Rs. 2.65/kWh). These are achieved numbers on installations which have already worked over 6,000 hours at several locations. In the dual fuel mode, using about 90 ml of diesel/kWh for replacing 70% of diesel in a conventional generator @ US $ 0.65/l would add another US c 5.9/kWh (In Rs. 2.70/kWh). I believe, the Sri Lankan utilities charge the consumer about SL Rs. 10/kWh (In Rs. 5/kWh), making this power plant a very profitable project, not counting the substantial environmental, social and local economic benefits. Funding such a project in Sri Lanka should not be difficult as the Government itself has a policy of encouraging renewable energy projects with capital subsidy and the project will also qualify for CDM/JI funding under the Kyoto protocol, if additionality can be established. The CGPL, IISc technology we employ has already been tried out at a pencil factory for over 2500 hours, where saw dust, 'a waste product' of pencil manufacture is being briqetted in situ and gasified to generate 200 kW of electricity in a dual fuel diesel generator. If we could introduce this type of a technology then it will help the poor to generate income. On the other side it will arrest the pollution problem in the area and save public money that is spent at present for clearing and dumping. Considering the above we are very much obliged if you could help us in finding a technological enterprise who would willing to conduct an investigation on this matter. Since ours is a NGO, we are unable to fund such a programme. If the programme proves to be successful, we may be able to convince a suitable and sympathetic funding agency to support the initial stages of this challenging project. I send an article as an attachment to this e-mail that describes the problem in the area. We sincerely hope that you will give your sympathetic consideration to this request. Thanking you and hoping to hear from you favourably, Sincerely yours, Upali Magedaragamage, Executive Director, NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION. snip Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ANOTHER typhoon!!!
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: [Biofuel] ANOTHER typhoon!!! I can't believe it - this is TENTH this year. Usually there are only two or maybe three a year in Japan. And October is too late for typhoons anyway. Seems nobody told this one... Another proof (if any was needed) of the havoc that global warming is playing on the delicate climate balance. Hope Gaia is not too offended to leave us entirely to our devices, but will instead use yon considerable specks of the darke worlde to protect us from our follies. Most of them have missed us, or the worst of them have, we just got the accompanying three-day drenching. I thought this one would be the same, and we were well into the drenching already, solid skywater all day and all last night. I wanted to brew biodiesel today so I thought I'd go ahead anyway and set about doing it. Once started I had to continue... Despite the fact that I had to rescue the chickens and bring them inside, so there were chickens all over the place, and chicks, little fluffy golfballs dashing about and getting underfoot. I managed not to soak any of them with sulphuric or something. Couldn't rescue the one who's sitting on her eggs, so I barricaded her in somehow, poor thing, it's not very nice out there. I guess she'll be okay, if not too happy about it. Meanwhile this isn't just a drenching, it's a killer - it's killed 15 people already, and it's right overhead, high winds, and it's wrecking everything. Midori went to Kyoto today, she just got back, I was VERY pleased to see her. And she me, she barely made it - trains stopped, roads flooded, embankments collapsed, and a 10-mile drive from the station over the mountains in the K-truck hoping the slope wouldn't collapse on her. Now we're hoping the mountain behind our bedroom wall won't collapse on the whole village. Reminds me of the Florida tempests and the bleak if silent video footage of flying roofs, upturned trucks, cars sliding reluctantly but irrevocably with the wind, and splashing frothing unrelenting rain. Though, we could use some of the moisture in Chennai, where the rain gods have failed us yet again. Oh well. I might even finish the brew, if a falling tree doesn't take out the power supply or something. :-( Keith Keep dry, keep off roads, keep brewing. And keep posting. Hope you and Midori are well. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Hello Steve, - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in fuel taxes in your lifetime. EV's, Biodiesel, ethanol, and bio-methane are much more practical, and also tax free. You won't be able to make hydrogen at home, and use it in your car, without a monumental upfront system cost. Much more than you would pay for a VW Diesel, and a lifetime's supply of biodiesel to run it. Whoa there, Steve. There are different scales for different fuels such as petroleum, biodiesel, biomethane, biohydrogen etc. as you doubtless appreciate. 30 miles/day on a 45 mpg petrol (gasoline) car is 0.67 gallons/day of gasoline or 0.18 kg/day of H2 (Most small cars in Europe India operate at this efficiency) . Now most biomass contains about 6-8% by weight of H2 of which about 80% or 5% w/w can be converted into elemental H2 by atmospheric gasification. This implies a gasifier capacity of 3.6 kg/day or 0.15 kg/hr (on a 24 hr basis) as is customary for gasifier systems. The smallest table top model that I tote around to exhibitions and seminars is 1 kg/hr. If on the contrary you consider a Biomass Refinery-cum-Depot to service a community of say 1,000 cars consuming 0.67 gallons/day like Walt's Windward or 500 cars travelling 60 miles/day like you, the size and price would be more meaningful. The gasifier would be 3,600 kg/day or 150 kg/hr. This would cost in the region of Rs. 3 Million (US $ 67,000). Consider another Rs. 1.5 Million (US $ 33,500) for the separation plant which would produce about 180 kg/day of H2 and 2,500 kg/day of CO. The total electricity needs of the Refinery-cum-Depot are met by the CO which can produce about 100 kW from the producer gas. The gasifier system will need about 20 kW, the compressor another 30 kWe and other miscellaneous pumping, lighting etc. would need another 10 kW, totalling to about 60 kW. A gas engine generator operating on CO would cost Rs. 1.2 Million (US $ 27,000). Add another Rs. 1.5 Million (US $ 33,500) for the gas storage. The total capital cost for such a depot would be in the region of Rs. 7.2 Million (US $ 160,000) Over 1,000 cars (or even 500) this is not very high. At larger sizes the economies of scale are even more favourable. What tilts the table is the 24 x 7 operation of the plant, with regular scheduled maintenance. The optimum and lowest cost model would be to generate and distribute hydrogen in local communities using locally grown biomass as the feedstock. The H2 would need to be compressed to 20 MPa for storage and further to 40 MPa for vehicle filling at the depot end, the energy cost incurred would be about 8% of the HHV of Hydrogen generated. Some H2 may also be lost (3% - 5%) by leaking. But, these are small penalties when you consider that the co-product gas CO can be used to offset the energy penalty. Besides, these are insignificant compared to the humongous incidental costs involved in fossil fuel production, bulk tank farm storage, transportation, local depot storage, leakage due to evaporation, etc. Refer to the excellent Dr, Bossel et al for details in http://www.efcf.com/reports/hydrogen_economy.pdf As to the cost of H2 production from this green source. The producer gas from gasification can be stripped of H2 using molecular sieves/PSA and the CO could be used as fuel to meet the internal thermal/electrical needs of the gasification and separation plants. At Rs. 1100/MT of biomass(US $ 25), the raw material cost of biomass derived hydrogen is Rs. 22,000/MT (US $ 500). The cost of gasification will add Rs. 500/MT of biomass gasified (US $ 11)or Rs 10,000/MT of H2 (US $ 220)(These are achieved numbers on existing installations that have completed 5,000 hours of 24 x 7 operation. No credit is assumed for the CO as it is assumed to power generators to meet the parasitic electrical energy needs of the plant. Separation by PSA may entail (?) another Rs. 10,000/MT of H2 (US $ 220). Totting all this up results in a H2 production cost of about Rs. 42/kg (US $ 0.94), which is equivalent to less than a gallon of gas or about 34,000 kcal/kg. The cost of petrol in most Indian cities is about Rs. 41-Rs. 43/lt (without considering the recent spurts in oil price to US $ 50/barrel. So, there is still life in hydrogen after natural gas. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org snip Regards, balaji. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Stardust soil
Institute of Technology. A massive-star specialist by trade, she currently dedicates most of her time to education and public outreach for the Space Infrared Telescope Facility. It can however be overexploited, depleted and done to death locally. We need to re-evaluate what resources we have. Many people do consider valuable items garbage and yes that does need to change. Invasive plants are not all bad. Take our stickle trees here in Texas. Most people resort to tactics like gasoline to get rid of them. Me, I grow them as coppice wood. Bags of trash are building materials. Lots can be done, but not by robbing the land of what it needs to produce healthy food. Bright Blessings, Kim snip Regards, balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] How to read your attachments
Hello Bob, Martin, - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How to read your attachments bmolloy wrote: A point of information for John Hayes, and anyone interested in sending attachments. These can indeed be sent through the list. The list is set to reject them and a notification to that effect will appear. When you receive a message with such a notification all you need do is open the message in the usual way then click on Forward. The attachment will then appear above the subject line. Click and open as normal. The attachment can then be read.. Bob. Hello Bob, I'm not sure if you're implying that you can indeed send attachments through to the list, but I urge you not to. -- Martin Klingensmith (site admin) http://wwia.org/ http://nnytech.net/ It seems to work albeit with some garbling in the transmission. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Environment
to new objectives. And the world would be a much better, cleaner place to inhabit. Peggy Regards balaji -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Cannon Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Environment Pentagon global warming report: The Pentagon report that most people heard was released a few months ago focused on global warming rather than peak oil. The connection to the peak oil discussion is that the Bush/Cheney policy is promoting oil use rather than supporting alternative fuel concepts and suggesting conservation which all by itself would reduce our monthly oil use by millions of barrels. One reason for their position appears to be oil profits(that is how Halliburton makes money), the other is that Bush says the jury is still out on global warming. It seems everyone, including the pentagon, is taking global warming seriously. Below is the link to the full report: http://www.ems.org/climate/pentagon_climate_change.html 0o0o0oo0o00o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0oo00o0o0o0o0o0 The Equinox is here again, marking a brief time of balance on this plane of existence. We feel the passage of time with the colors of fall, spring for our friends to the south. We feel an intuitive need to pause and to reflect on where we are in our life's journey. RossCannon Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / ScientistsagainstBush/U.S. can end oil use
Hello Steve, - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / ScientistsagainstBush/U.S. can end oil use Increased use of renewable energy and advancing efficient use of renewable fuels is a good thing. True. advancing efficient use of fossil fuels is only temporary step to eliminating them. Again true. Carbon trading is only a half way house. However, you have to be realistic. Look at current consumption patterns, Most countries are looking at an ambitious (LOL) renewable energy penetration of 20% by 2020 (Vision? AArgh!!!). Till then we will continue to belch CO2 into the atmosphere without virtuous recycling. Carbon trading will go a long way in a) Attracting investments to renewable energy projects from the developed to the less developed countries. b) Transfer of technology from the industrialised to the industrialising nations. c) Improving environmental quality in hitherto unspoilt areas. d) Promote renewables as a new energy paradigm in countries that have not yet made these mistakes. trading pollution credits does not make the above happen. If I'm doing the right thing, why should I trade those credits to allow someone else to do the wrong thing. That cancels out the good I've done. I'll tell you what, I'll vote for Kerry, so that you can vote for bush . It is based on the polluter pays principle. This will add to the cost of production of the polluter and hopefully force him to clean up his act in future. Today the polluter pays nothing. Instead of being a fine or penalty, it will spread the fine in a more equitable, productive and sustainable manner. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/U.S. can end oil use Steve Spence wrote: Carbon trading of course is just a scam to allow you to buy polluting rights from others while pretending everyone has a right to pollute just a little. Carbon trading is not a good thing! Increased use of renewable energy and advancing efficient use of renewable and fossil fuels is not a good trade off regarding climate change? snip Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
Hello Steve, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel If a soldier decides not to fight in an illegal war, then he must be prepared to accept the consequences of that decision. It won't be pretty. = = = Original message = = = As doubtless did the Israeli pilots recently who refused to strafe the Palestinian civilian population from helicopter gunships and instead preferred to take the military rap. More power to them. snip Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Hello Joe, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Business Plan I am looking for a Business Plan (Boilerplate) for Bio-Diesel. It would be greater fun and better education if you were to do it yourself. Business plans come in many flavours, sizes and shapes. For starters, visit http://www.planware.org/guide.htm You can then tweak it to your purpose. If any one has one that I can use a a guide please email it to me. Thanks Joe Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Hello Martin, - Original Message - From: martin williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan Hi! My name is Juan Carlos from Tenerife and I recently tried to obtain a grant to produce the ethanol in Tenerife and the entire Canary Islands: The answer - no surprise to me (with a degree in chemistry!) At this present time we are not interested. I provided a full business plan but no-one gave my project consideration. Is there a special route I can pursue to encourage bio-fuel in Tenerife. I will look into EEC funding but I do not think I will get much help here either. Any advise? You could look up IFC, a World bank affiliate, which has REEEF (Renewable Energy Energy Efficiency Fund) devoted to encouraging Ren energy projects under the Global Environment Facility. http://www2.ifc.org/proserv/apply/application/application.html You could also approach Rabo Bank International which recently signed an agreement with the Dutch government to contract 10 million tonne of GHG emission reductions from sustainable energy projects in developing countries over a 2-year period. The credits are to be delivered over a 10-year period. Try for their nearest office at http://www.rabobank.com/content/offices Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Hello Phil, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Hello Phil Hello all! Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin? I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap. I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. We used to have many such engines in India called kero engines which were fitted to motorbikes, mainly because of subsidised kerosene. One peculiarity I noticed was that the engine continued to fire slowly and intermitently long after the ignition was switched off. No, you certainly didn't ever hear such a thing from me, definitely not, no. What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and implications for engine life? Dire, probably, on both counts. Best wishes Keith Phil Rendel English Department Kingswood College, Burton Street, Grahamstown tel. 046 603 6600 fax. 046 622 3084 cell: 084 448 1052 snip Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Hello Luc, Hakan et al, - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. All established religions teach the virtues of universal love, compassion, consideration for the frail, the aged and the needy. Many of them enjoin acts of charity, self abnegation and service to society as pious duty. It is only later that the teachings get distorted by twisted mean souls that hanker after the material and pine for what is not. A Christian cloak does little to hide the growing rot of greed, deceit, and unbridled arrogance of power that lies festering at the heart of the Iraq campaign. snip Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. Considering how he got elected, he cannot even claim to represent even a fraction of the electorate. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Request for feed-back
the fuel pump. Ramanna, a local mechanic recruited for the project poured the oil into the engine and pressed a button. Energy flowed through the project grid, charged the pumps and water sprayed out of a rain gun. For the first time ever in history Kagganahalli witnessed a source of water other than rain. Brought that too, by the produce of that very land! fax: 91-080-360 2435/360 2993 tel: 91-080-360 0080/309 2331 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip Regards. balaji Any direction that you could point us in would be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance for any possible suggestions or recommendations. David M. Brockes New Harvest Energy, LLC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion
From: balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:37:02 +0530 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion Hello Donald, - Original Message - From: Donald Allwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion I have a question that some of you might be able to shed some light on. As well as having an interest in biofuels, I also have an interest in Third World development issues and other technologies, including Solar energy collection and storage. So when trying to find an 'energy solution' for a remote village for example, there are a number of possible options. Of course, you have to ask, what problem are you looking to find a solution for? For the purposes of this post, I will assume that we are trying to provide electricity to power refrigerators, lighting, miscellaneous equipment such as telephones and computers (even remote villages can have satellite connections to the internet these days!). This would be a light load and not include industrial use nor electrical heating/cooking. So I will propose two solutions, both of which are used in various places: 1) Grow an oil crop, use it to power a diesel generator 2) Install photovoltaic solar panels and use a battery system to store the energy overnight You can also gasify biomass and use the gas for generating power with gas engine or diesel generators. These plants can be configured from 20 kWe to 2 MWe or higher in multiple modules with improved efficiencies for larger capacities. In a recent exercise we did with UNIDO in Zambia, we discovered that power cost (1 MW) in a remote location using high cost diesel in this land locked country with no indigenous petroleum refinery was about US c 25, while the power cost using gasification was about US c 6-8. The entire biomass requirements could be sourced from the trimmings from the nearby forest within a 10 km range. You could also methanate it into biogas and generate power. Now I'm trying to get an understanding of the pros and cons of these two approaches, and which would be better for a particular location. The issues I have thought of so far are the following: Photovoltaics and batteries are expensive in terms of capital outlay, whereas biofuels are cheap to 'install'. Photovoltaic systems have a conversion efficiency of ~10% of the solar energy, whereas biofuels have a conversion efficiency of about 1% I presume you have factored in the very low natural photosynthetic efficiency of biomass conversion. But this does not have a direct economic implication in terms of cost of power generated, unlike in PV systems where the lower conversion efficiencies of a high per kW cost plant with limited energy resource availability has a more direct economic impact. Photovoltaic systems require more specialist knowledge to maintain, whereas biofuels require less. Photovoltaics require low labour input once they are installed, whereas biofuels require planting, harvesting, processing etc.. But the flip side of the coin is that it generates more economic activity at the rural level, improving the purchasing power of the community. Photovoltaic systems can store only small amounts of energy over short timescales, whereas you can store large quantities of oil for a long time So can other biofuels. Photovoltaics make less sense when sunshine levels are highly unpredictable, whereas biofuel crops are not significantly affected by a few gloomy days Quite true. Sweden meets more than 30% of its energy needs from biomass. Photovoltaics require less land to install than oil crops, because of their higher conversion efficiency. The annual accretion of biomass globally is of the order of 25-35 (?) billlion MT and represents a little appreciated but highly significant energy resource. About 50% of the world population still relies on biomass for its daily cooking and heating needs. All this is being done sustainably since, despite the growing demand, The woods are lovely, dark and deep. And miles to go. . . . testifying to its sustainability. I realise that this is an oversimplification of the issues, and I'm trying to gain a deeper understanding of the secondary issues. So my specific questions are: 1) What are the implications of manufacturing Solar collectors, batteries, electronic control equipment and so forth in terms of energy use, toxic materials (e.g. lead in batteries), sustainability? How does this compare with manufacturing a diesel generating system? You have raised very important lifecycle impact questions, an area where much research is necessary. Thanks for bringing them up. 2) Biofuels are often produced from crops that are grown in an unsustainable manner. What are the effects on biodiversity of this? How can this be counteracted? Are there any comparable environmental issues
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portion of the process produces clean oil. The followup step of solvent extraction could have some harmful residues depending upon the solvent which is used. Dr. Karve's latest report is as follows: We are now collaborating with a voluntary organization formed by a group of engineers.A school hostel in the town of Jawhar, Dist. Thane, Maharashtra, has a biogas plant having a capacity of producing daily 16cubic meters of biogas. Following my advice, they shifted to using oilcake of locally available non-edible oilseed cake as the feedstock. They get daily 16 cubic meters of biogas, using just 16 kg of the oilcake, which costs them only Rs.32 or USCents 70. The cake comes from three species, namely, Pongamia pinnata, Madhuka indica and Jatropha curcas.A colleague from the engineers' voluntary organization tested a petrol driven electricity generator on this biogas. They could generate electricity by running the generator entirely on biogas. A fortnight ago, I tested our biogas on a diesel-driven electricity generator. This generator could however replace only about 70% of the total diesel. Dr. Karve can be reached at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Art Krenzel, P.E. PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES 10505 NE 285TH Street Battle Ground, WA 98604 360-666-1883 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
solar reflectors and ammonia like with Steve Vanek's design which was published in the Home Power # 53 June/July 1996 issue. I can e-mail the above pdfs off list. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] 4x4s replace the desert camel and whip up a worldwide dust storm
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] 4x4s replace the desert camel and whip up a worldwide dust storm Hello Balaji Hello Keith, Hello Balaji Interesting that you should mention Prosopis and the HDRA. I worked with them on this and other things in the early 90s. Phil Harris was in charge of the desert trees project then, though it was initiated by Lawrence D. Hills, the founder of the HDRA. Good work: http://journeytoforever.org/tree_hdra.html Trees for deserts: Overseas Projects, Henry Doubleday Research Association, Annual Report 1990: Journey to Forever (I wrote their annual report for them too...) Talk of carrying coal to Newcastle or teaching psychokinesis to Yoda, the Jedi master, :-( I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to do a one-up, really I wasn't. I'd lost touch with the project, and mostly with the HDRA too, because I'd left Britain and Alan and Jackie Gear were very tardy about getting both the HDRA and themselves into the Internet. When they finally did have a website with some substance, the whole overseas program seemed to have been downgraded, and I couldn't find Phil Harris at all. It seemed the Desert Trees project had been abandoned, very sad. That's why I uploaded my report on it to Journey to Forever. :-(( I did not mean it in that sense at all. In fact I was pleasantly surprised that you were involved with the HDRA and had contributed to their good work. I was really pleased when you said you're taking this work forward in India, that's great news, it's not dead after all. It is too early for that. I have live enquiries for establishing MW sized Power plants in Gujarat and Rajasthan along the fringes of the Thar but am hopeful that something would pan out soon. There are govt. sponsored village electrification projects in these states as well which will certainly empower the rural poor. In the meanwhile, it may interest you to know that our Company, Energreen Power Limited, (licencees of CGPL technology about whom Tom Reed wrote recently in Crest) is in the process of establishing a cumulative generation capacity of over 6 MWe (many of them MW scale and some have clocked over 6,000 hours of operation with 100% gas engine generators) and the predominant fuel for most of these projects is Prosopsis Spp., owing to their wide distribution across the Indian sub-continent and their zero demands in terms of fertilisers, pesticides, time and effort on planting and maintenance, all of which are real godsends for marginal farmers tending subsistence plots with very limited water resources. They have now taken to cultivating these trees on commercial basis and are quoting stable prices and committed deliveries. The replicability of this sustainable model is really encouraging. It's you who's the Jedi master, not me - you're actually doing it, all I've done is try to promote it. Thanks for these encouraging words, As you know, it was Yoda who inspired and the knights that completed the mission. I can't figure out which way that lump of coal is travelling now... Shall we just put it back in a hole in the ground where it belongs? :-) In these strange days, possibly back and forth. Regards Keith snip Regards balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Kerry and Bolivia: To the Right of Bush?
Hello Todd, - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fw: Kerry and Bolivia: To the Right of Bush? I love it when people over simplify issues and life in general and then state those oversimplifications as if they are fact and everyone should just nod as though they were bobble head dolls on the back dash of the Charger. I can't believe that neither of you can see the difference between the two presidential candidates. And it's rather doubtful that if either of you ran for public office that either of you would take a shining to being characterized as evil simply because of such a choice. Me thinks that you both ought to try and live a few terms in such office, buttering as much bread as it takes to hold as many worthwhile compromises together so as to benefit as many people as possible, as well as the longer term interests of the ship of state, and see if you don't also come out a little less than lilly pure. In case you haven't noticed, there's a big difference between someone who defrauds the international body politic, drops bombs on tens of thousands of civilians, depletes a nations economic and military strengths to the point of exhaustion, squanders a nation's good will, dis-assembles clean air and water legislation, abandons global warming negotiations, develops a status quo energy policy at a time when renewables, efficiency and conservation were never more needed and a candidate who endorses exactly the opposite. There's a great deal more to the matter than the over simplified mirror opposites that Fritz and your one liner quips would have any conscious person believe. Todd Swearingen Let us hope for the sake of USA in particular and the larger world in general that you are right. Agreed that all politics involves posturing and Kerry may be trying to enlarge his electoral base by being everything to everybody. But this cuts both ways and your own potential supporters may not be sure of what you really stand for. Besides, is the record of actual achievement by successive Democratic administrations really reassuring ? What happened to the PNGV? Nuclear testing in the deserts ? Deployment of depleted Uranium in the army ? Support for coercive dictators in most parts of the world, starting with your backyard ? As we have seen, representatives from both parties are beholden to big oil for campaign contributions, give or take a few millions. I think on most actions on the ground, the difference between the GOP and the Democrats is more style than real substance. Power in a democracy is a crown of thorns and he that dares wear it, shall certainly bleed. That should not prevent us from being clear eyed about realpolitik. We in India are likewise faced with a choice between Tweedledum and dee and the net incremental lurching advances in the general direction of environmental remediation and other progressive actions is more the result of a vigilant civil society than the act of conscience on the politician's part. regards. balaji snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Venezuela and Bush
Hello Ross, This was posted by Hoagy on 17th itself. No harm in reposting anyway. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Ross Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: [biofuel] Venezuela and Bush Why Venezuela has Voted Again for Their 'Negro e Indio' President by Greg Palast Monday, August 16, 2004 -- There's so much BS and baloney thrown around about Venezuela that I may be violating some rule of US journalism by providing some facts. Let's begin with this: 77% of Venezuela's farmland is owned by 3% of the population, the 'hacendados.' I met one of these farmlords in Caracas at an anti-Chavez protest march. Oddest demonstration I've ever seen: frosted blondes in high heels clutching designer bags, screeching, Chavez - dic-ta-dor! The plantation owner griped about the socialismo of Chavez, then jumped into his Jaguar convertible. That week, Chavez himself handed me a copy of the socialist manifesto that so rattled the man in the Jag. It was a new law passed by Venezuela's Congress which gave land to the landless. The Chavez law transferred only fields from the giant haciendas which had been left unused and abandoned. This land reform, by the way, was promoted to Venezuela in the 1960s by that Lefty radical, John F. Kennedy. Venezuela's dictator of the time agreed to hand out land, but forgot to give peasants title to their property. But Chavez won't forget, because the mirror reminds him. What the affable president sees in his reflection, beyond the ribbons of office, is a negro e indio -- a Black and Indian man, dark as a cola nut, same as the landless and, until now, the hopeless. For the first time in Venezuela's history, the 80% Black-Indian population elected a man with skin darker than the man in the Jaguar. So why, with a huge majority of the electorate behind him, twice in elections and today with a nearly two-to-one landslide victory in a recall referendum, is Hugo Chavez in hot water with our democracy-promoting White House? Maybe it's the oil. Lots of it. Chavez sits atop a reserve of crude that rivals Iraq's. And it's not his presidency of Venezuela that drives the White House bananas, it was his presidency of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, OPEC. While in control of the OPEC secretariat, Chavez cut a deal with our maximum leader of the time, Bill Clinton, on the price of oil. It was a 'Goldilocks' plan. The price would not be too low, not too high; just right, kept between $20 and $30 a barrel. But Dick Cheney does not like Clinton nor Chavez nor their band. To him, the oil industry's (and Saudi Arabia's) freedom to set oil prices is as sacred as freedom of speech is to the ACLU. I got this info, by the way, from three top oil industry lobbyists. Why should Chavez worry about what Dick thinks? Because, said one of the oil men, the Veep in his Bunker, not the pretzel-chewer in the White House, runs energy policy in the United States. And what seems to have gotten our Veep's knickers in a twist is not the price of oil, but who keeps the loot from the current band-busting spurt in prices. Chavez had his Congress pass another oil law, the Law of Hydrocarbons, which changes the split. Right now, the oil majors - like PhillipsConoco - keep 84% of the proceeds of the sale of Venezuela oil; the nation gets only 16%. Chavez wanted to double his Treasury's take to 30%. And for good reason. Landless, hungry peasants have, over decades, drifted into Caracas and other cities, building million-person ghettos of cardboard shacks and open sewers. Chavez promised to do something about that. And he did. Chavez gives them bread and bricks, one Venezuelan TV reporter told me. The blonde TV newscaster, in the middle of a publicity shoot, said the words pan y ladrillos with disdain, making it clear that she never touched bricks and certainly never waited in a bread line. But to feed and house the darker folk in those bread and brick lines, Chavez would need funds, and the 16% slice of the oil pie wouldn't do it. So the President of Venezuela demanded 30%, leaving Big Oil only 70%. Suddenly, Bill Clinton's ally in Caracas became Mr. Cheney's -- and therefore, Mr. Bush's -- enemy. So began the Bush-Cheney campaign to Floridate the will of the Venezuela electorate. It didn't matter that Chavez had twice won election. Winning most of the votes, said a White House spokesman, did not make Chavez' government legitimate. Hmmm. Secret contracts were awarded by our Homeland Security spooks to steal official Venezuela voter lists. Cash passed discreetly from the US taxpayer, via the so-called 'Endowment for Democracy,' to the Chavez-haters running today's recall election. A brilliant campaign of placing
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Hello Jose, Azam, Atul, For brief details of uses, chemistry, description, ecology etc., check the following url : http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Pongamia_pinnata.html http://www.goodnewsindia.com/index.html It has been used as SVO (with pre-heating) by industry in India with good results. Dandeli Ferroalloys [Dandeli Town-581 325, Karnataka] established in 1955,is a heavy consumer of electricity. Power forms 60% of their variable costs. P.V.Jose of the company read an early press release about Dr.Shrinivasa's findings on Honge oil and got in touch with him. Coordinating with Dr.Shrinivasa, Dandeli converted all five of their 1 megaWatt diesel engines to run on biodiesel. [Jose reported in Feb., 2001 that they had generated 760,000 kWH of energy entirely from Honge oil. And they are continuing the usage.] It has been indigenous to India and there are instances of some irrigated plots producing as much as 15 Tonnes/Hectare of seed. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: atul malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] New Member dear Azam well i would certainly like to source some pongamia oil or seeds but of course cost is the issue kindly inform me if u have some other brilliant ideascoz i am in the process of working on free power for my locality of abt 1000 homes (app 600 kwh power per home per month)... thanx --- ENVIRONSINDIA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 4x4s replace the desert camel and whip up a worldwide dust storm
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:28 AM Subject: [biofuel] 4x4s replace the desert camel and whip up a worldwide dust storm http://www.guardian.co.uk/waste/story/0,12188,1286963,00.html Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | 4x4s replace the desert camel and whip up a worldwide dust storm Winds carrying 3bn tonnes a year threaten environment and human health Paul Brown, environment correspondent Friday August 20, 2004 The Guardian snip One way of arresting the spread of deserts, whether by dust storms or otherwise, is to plant hardy species such as Prosopsis Juliflora, Prosposis Cineraria, Simarunba Glauca etc.. Notable succcess has been achieved in stemming the spread of the Rann of Kutch using Prosposis Spp. http://www.hdra.org.uk/cgi-bin/countlink.cgi%3Fwww.hdra.org.uk/pdfs/internat ional_programme/ManagingProsopisManual.pdf (The link is no longer active.) Box 2. Prosopsis advancement in Kutchh. The State Forest Department of Gujarat initially planted exclusively P. juliflora on about 31,550 ha of Banni grasslands of Kutchh to check the advancement of Rann. The prevailing conditions in Banni, including successive droughts, increasing salinity and excessive grazing pressure, provided a highly suitable environment for the growth and spread of the hardy P. juliflora, which is today a dominant species of the vegetation complex. In fact, it ranks first in terms of distribution, abundance and aggressive encroachment of rangelands. It has been reported that the area under P. juliflora has increased from 378 to 684 km2 (an 81% increase) in 12 years (i.e. 1980-1992). Analysis of remote sensing data clearly stated that the species is expanding in the Banni area at a rate of about 25 km2 per year. I visited it years back and it was a desolate and hard place then. Life there involved heart and knuckle breaking effort and just to get cooking water the womenfolk had to walk several km in the hot desert sun. I received recent feedback that the areas where the desert had been halted were at least more livable. It also provides economic and employment benefits : Box 29. Prosopis management in Kutchh. The arid zone of Gujarat, covers an area of 62,180 km2, of which Kutchh district accounts for 73%. The entire area in this district is full of P. juliflora. Gujarat State Forest Development Corporation (GSFDC) has been using this species for 15 years for the benefit of rural communities. During the last five years GSFDC collected 400 t honey, 15 t bee wax, 57 t grade-I gum and 716 t grade-II gum from P. juliflora thickets and woodlands. These activities of GSFDC generated employment for local people, especially rural folk to the tune of 0.72 million man-days. Thus P. juliflora in Kutchh area is the major source of livelihood to villagers. i hope to be able to some power genreation in this area in the near future Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Kerry and Bolivia: To the Right of Bush?
Hello Sam, - Original Message - From: Sam Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fw: Kerry and Bolivia: To the Right of Bush? At 05:04 AM 8/22/2004 -0500, Appal Energy wrote: I think on most actions on the ground, the difference between the GOP and the Democrats is more style than real substance. You're entitled to think that. But it doesn't change reality. There's a world of difference. A world of similarity, but still a vast chasm of difference. I most fervently hope so, for all our sakes. Thank you. Just look at the appointments - in just about every agency it is the worst of the worst at the helm - Gale Norton, Spencer Abraham, Harvey Pitt, Michael Powell, John Ashcroft, etc etc etc. - Then there are the judicial appointments - culture warriors and free market fundamentalists who are nostalgic for the 20s before Lochner was overruled! For a progressive to not vote for Kerry, esp in a swing state, is suicide, and, by the way, Counterpunch is part of a very small contingent of opportunists on the left who just dont get it. Alex Cockburn has zero credibility in my book - entertaining, but pure opportunism. You are a trifle hasty in your judgement here, but, ah well. And the crowning glory of all this foolishness is Ralph Nader - who whines about the lack of proportional representation and IRV, and then runs a slash-and-burn campaign at the national level and in swing states, where not only are prop rep and IRV unthinkable right now, but the winner-take-all system guarantees that any significant Nader support at the polls will ensure another 4 years of Bush. The lack of proportional representation and the principle of the first past the post have been the bane of both the presidential and parliamentary systems. The other Europeans are much more sensible and have some form of proportional representation in place, the best example of a truly functional democracy being Switzerland. In multipolar electorates such as we have in India and Israel, the splintered mandate results in a coalition, which at its best reflects only the consensus of opinions of the electorate but not its census as in a true democracy. Nader deserves much better than what you allow, if for only bringing this issue into the public domain in the US. Nothing good comes out of this idiocy - NOTHING. Does anybody suffer under the illusion that Grover Norquist or David Horowitz or Rush Limbaugh looks favorably upon the '92 campaign of Ross Perot? Norquist says that his movement is trying to get to Japan, and if Bush will take them to St. Louis, that's ok, he's not going to stop him. The left could learn alot from the right about message discipline. Folks who dont live in the US are allowed, by the way, not to understand how politics in this country works. But for progressive Americans to buy into the bash-Kerry train is counterproductive, IMO. Finally, nobody on this list can seriously entertain the delusion that another 4 years of Bush will help the cause of biofuels, or that a Kerry presidency would be the same as Bush in this regard. Yes, the Democrats are beholden to corporate interests, that is clear to the average 4th grader, but look at Kerry's record in standing up to international corporate crime: e.g., BCCI. See http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0820-04.htm I am not suggesting that you should not vote for Long John. Anything is better than Bush. Possibly he might even support biofuels with some token legislation and tax breaks that will appease the party green brigade and lull the gullible and the unsuspecting into seriously believing that at least he tried. But to refresh your memory, do you know when Clinton brought in the PNGV - 1993. And he waited all of two terms for Dubya to bury it. After all, he tried! Give me a break, man. It is all TV imagery and media spin, it is so sad, but you really have no choice. Relax folks, Kerry is predictably triangulating to get into office. It's what it takes these days, and his record indicates that he would be much less beholden to corporate interests than 90% of the other Democrats in the Senate. Which says a lot of the party he heads. Do you think he can get his way on any matter directly impinging on corporate interests without taking the party rank and file with him ? Or is this the way politics works in the USA ? or doesn't ? Regards. balaji -Sam J Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages
Re: [biofuel] 4x4s replace the desert camel and whip up a worldwide dust storm
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] 4x4s replace the desert camel and whip up a worldwide dust storm Hello Balaji Interesting that you should mention Prosopis and the HDRA. I worked with them on this and other things in the early 90s. Phil Harris was in charge of the desert trees project then, though it was initiated by Lawrence D. Hills, the founder of the HDRA. Good work: http://journeytoforever.org/tree_hdra.html Trees for deserts: Overseas Projects, Henry Doubleday Research Association, Annual Report 1990: Journey to Forever (I wrote their annual report for them too...) Talk of carrying coal to Newcastle or teaching psychokinesis to Yoda, the Jedi master, snip Balaji, do you have a copy of that pdf? If so, would you be kind enough to send it to me offlist? I do and I surely will. snip i hope to be able to some power genreation in this area in the near future Please keep us advised. Yeah, sure. You might also be interested in this - in the approach perhaps more than the species mentioned (you know of the NewCrop and Plants For A Future databases after all): Tree Crops: A Permanent Agriculture by J. Russell Smith http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#treecrops There are a lot of resources on deserts in this previous message: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33769/ Best wishes Keith Thanks. balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
Hello Alan, Todd,
Perhaps you should try nard oil or its ester in the wick to add that dash of
romance to the atmosphere. Don't count the cost, though. {;-)
Regards,
balaji
- Original Message -
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
Now, now, now, Allen,
We backward types have been romancing with pure veg oil lamps for
thousands
of years now. Biodiesel is no less of a flame enhancer.
Perhaps you might want to throw a little neem or tea tree or your favorite
essential oil into the fray to induce the mood you and yours would care
to.
Not too many that I know of swoon to the scent of kerosene.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was hoping someone could settle a disagreement my brother and I are
having. In preparation for Hurricane Charley, I broke out the wick
lamp
and first off started with biodiesel. As Keith says on his website,
it
is
hard to get top travel up the wick, but I was able to soak the wick
enough
to get it to light and it burned great. Because my brother is afraid
of
burning it in the house, I switched to kerosene and now he'ss aying
teh
whole system is contaminated. So I have 2 questions. First, if I
burn
biodiesel in a wick lamp like this, am I risking CO poisoning or any
other
noxious fumes? Second, if for some reason it is mixed with kero, does
it
become more toxic than either chemical alone. Thanks-
You aren't risking CO poisoning any more than any other combustion
device used inside. Keep the windows open, and you should be alright
with that. Other emissions will be lower with BD.
What you will find is that the odor of the burning biodiesel indoors
will QUICKLY become overpowering. Just after I got started making BD my
girlfriend and I tried it in a couple of little wick lamps. We found it
was most decidedly NOT conducive to a romantic atmosphere when your
whole house smells like a grease fire.
For outdoor use, no problem. For indoor use, only if you have
absolutely NOTHING else.
BTW: How did you weather the storm? I'm in St. Petersburg, and the
worst we got was minor flooding in our parking lot. We were holding our
collective breath for a couple of days, though.
AP
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Re: [biofuel] DUBYA aint texan nor is his dad
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] DUBYA aint texan nor is his dad Michael Meacher lays out the case that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence gave $100,000 to captured Al Qaeda member Omar Sheikh to pass on to 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta (the same guy who did not go to Prague). Characterizing ISI as a state within a state, we may here have the real state sponsor of terrorism. Unfortunately, the Bush administration has pushed Pakistan as an ally on the war on terror. Hmmm. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1266317,00.html Guardian Unlimited | Guardian daily comment | The Pakistan connection Comment The Pakistan connection There is evidence of foreign intelligence backing for the 9/11 hijackers. Why is the US government so keen to cover it up? Michael Meacher Thursday July 22, 2004 The Guardian snip It has been known all along that the Pakistani military establishment draws its sustenance and its raison d'etre from the internecine, low intensity war of attrition it has conducted with India since the early nineties. In this, they have been cynically and actively abetted by the CIA whose earl;ier mandat3e was Soviet containment via the Jehadi route. Their sinister role in the 9/11 disaster may perhaps never be told. The following link details the cozy relationsip the CIA enjoyed with the Al Qaeda going back to the Bosnian campaign. It is also revealing of the extent of the incestuous relationship between the CIA and the ISI, which was actively aiding the Taliban and the Al Qaeda during and after the assault on Afghanistan. http://www.911dossier.co.uk/pk06.html It is also well established that the ISI is a Govt. within the Govt. and helped set up and train the Taliban in Afghanistan. There is a strange triangular relationship among the ISI, the ruling party Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal throught some key members and the Sunni sectarian Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, all tied up inextricably with the Al Qaeda and the Taliban. http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnistfile_name =john%2Fjohn41.txtwriter=john http://meaindia.nic.in/opinion/2002/06/26o01.htm The danger of small nukes or briefcase bombs is very real if General Lebed is to be believed, particularly through the actions of rogue nuclear scientists like Dr. A Q Khan and Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmoud with Jehadi sympathies. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE6-5/kanwal.html One only hopes that the unimaginable does not turn into nightmarish reality. Regards. balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drinking rain water [was: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?]
Hello Lucky Bob from NZL :-}, - Original Message - From: bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Drinking rain water [was: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?] Hi Al, A point of information, perhaps not relevant in areas close to large cities. Rainwater is the major source of drinking water for more than a million New Zealanders. Virtually all houses in rural areas are built with roof gutters which channel the rainwater directly into tanks from where it is gravity fed to the house plumbing system as a perpetual, renewable source. To date there appears to be no health problems attached to this practice. Not sure about the situation in the States but there must surely be rural communities there which depend on roof runoff as a source of potable water. . Not so Bob, it is very relevant to large cities. In fact, our the state govt. in Tamil Nadu passed what appeared to be a draconian ordinance last year mandating the installation of rain harvesting structures in all buildings in cities and towns and achieved near total compliance. http://www.tn.gov.in/acts-rules/maws/muncipal_ord_2003.htm The city of Chennai, the state capital where I live, has a population of about 6 Million. Unfortunately, we had a very poor monsoon last winter and so the jury is still out on the efficacy of the programme. I have been living in a neighbourhood which has been rainharvest assisted for the last several years and have never had to buy commercial water till this year. The quality of the water was potable and we used it for cooking meals directly. The process of harnessing rain water run off in India is itself quite old, as I am sure it was in other climes, and used to be done with irrigation tanks. Here be some useful links http://www.dhan.org/t4news.htm http://www.rainwaterharvesting.org/ Recent initiatives for Mumbai with a population of about 10 Million. http://www.cleantechindia.com/eicnew/MUMBAI/R%20Bhatia%20-%20BMC.htm http://www.us-erc.org/events/rainwatermanual.php Suppliers/service providers http://members.rediff.com/asitsahu/supplier.html I am sure you can see its applicability to urban settings too. Regards. balaji Regards, Bob. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
fountain has date 1584. The city Feodosiya of Crymea peninsula has no water supply from any high-power source many centuries until 80-th' of the XIX century. They obtain water from stone heaps. The fountains are connected with heaps by the help of potter pipes. During the heyday of the city in the Middle Ages there were up to 100 fountains. The population was about 80 thousand inhabitants. The stone heaps in Crymea produce water up today. One of the authors (B. Kogan) is witness of this fact. He was studied the heap and the basis of the heap. Nothing except stones. The stone heaps were found in many arid places of the globe - from North Africa to South Siberia. According the thermodynamics, if a droplet of water with the critical radius or greater is placed into an oversaturate vapor, then the growth of this drop will cause the thermodynamic potential decreasing and the condensation is the following. For the radius less than critical, the evaporation is more probable. The droplet will disappear because its growth is accompanied by thermodynamic potential increase. The great difference between day and night temperature implies oversaturation of the air with great humidity. This changes the dew point and the critical radius of the droplet. The probability of precipitation is growing. For catching of droplets of fog, for instance, the obstacles are being put on the way of the air movement and the droplets impact the surface. The heating of the surface in this case is not very significant. The precipitation of humid air heats the surface of condensation more essentially. Then the properties of thermal capacity, thermal conductivity and of the radioactivity of the surface play an important role. They create the bounds on the productivity of the system. This is wy the most advanced systems of water precipitation are oriented on the moisture of the fogs. Another systems are now on theoretical, initial or experimental level. Distinct ways and approaches of creation of the centers of condensation are considered. The most attractive approach to obtain the water from natural sources is the precipitation from moist air. We do not need expenditure of energy on this way. The efficiency of the collection of water depends on dew point, wind and properties of the surface. It may be most cheap approach. The high quality of the atmospheric water and minimal influence on the environment are important positive factors of considered approach as well. THe description of the enterprise The precipitation system consists of some separate modules. Each of them is a condensate device with isolated condensation centers. The precipitation begins on the dew point with fall of the temperature. The creation of drops on non-stabile stage is supported by electrifying of the centers of condensation. The geometrical properties of the system imitate the properties of the forest. The aim is to increase the condensation surface. On the first stage of the project we are going to consider a pilot module of the system. As an outcome of the realization of the module will be obtained the evaluation of system effectiveness and the parameters of the system in distinct situations and various seasons of the year. There are commercial systems (Vapair, Waterfinder, Watermaker, hyfil) which operate in the range of 5 Gallons to 400 gallons with several largers systems being planned. This capacity range will very well serve a family of 5 in rural/urban settings. But how many can afford to buy the systems which cost US $ 250 - 500 ? At best it can offset our dependence on mineral water on a small scale. I strongly feel that desalination of brackish ground and sea water by solar and flash distillation with waste heat from gas from rural power plants is the low cost way to go (both capital and energy wise) to address the problem in most developing countries. This may well apply to some developed countries too. Regards balaji -Original Message- From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:01 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier? Hallo Folks, I don't know how close to on-topic this is but I have a question which I have been asking myself for a long while and figured it wouldn't hurt to pass it on and see what I get. snip Happy Happy, Gustl Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please
[biofuel] Trade show on alternate energy and off grid liiving
Hello fellow listers from Canada, The following crosspost from livingoffthegrid lsit may be of interest to you. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: john_mullan99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: [livingoffthegrid2] Planning a Trade show. Fellow listers: My partner and I are in the initial planning stages to have a trade show on any and all things to do with Alternate Energy and Off-Grid living. Our first show will be held in Toronto, Ontario (we are, after all, Canadian). However, if there are any manufacturers, vendors, etc., that are on the lists (especially with Canaidan reps/dealers) and would like to receive an Exhibitor information package, please feel free to email me off-list with postal information. We expect the package to be ready by mid-september with an April 2005 show date. Also, folks like Marc Cardoso that would be willing to be paid for lectures, please also send me your postal information and the field (s) you are able to speak on. To the best of our knowledge, this is the first show of it's specific kind in Canada (if not North America). A well rounded show coving Wind, Solar heat/electric, Woodgas, Fuel Cells, EVs and Hybrids, inverters/converters, integrators The list is endless. I think it is about time that large public shows of this nature start happening. The price of a barrel of oil will likely top $75 next year. The general public at-large will want to be knowing this stuff real soon. Lastly, if you are a member of other lists/groups that this notice may be beneficial, please let me know so I may join and post this, or forward this to that list. Many thanks. John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rice husk ash
Hello Kim, Keith , Ken et al, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Rice husk ash snip No, you wouldn't. I doubt the rice is dehusked at the farm-level, it'll be sent to a mill. Products are rice and bran, husks are waste. Should be FFTA. Unless they've found some by-product use for them there. Rice bran also contains fatty acid. Recenlty KC Velappan at the Dept. of Chemical Engg., Central Leather Research Institute (CLRI), Chennai has converted this rice bran oil into biodiesel by a catalytic process. http://www.clri.org/PatentsIndexFrame.html Do you think I could burn the straw and get RHA ? No, totally different. Rice husk is mostly silica. When you ash it the way Michael describes, what you get is basically a bunch of tiny glass bubbles, light, great insulator, add water and it dries like cement. RHA, as you rightly observe, is moslly silica and can be reprecipitated (after digestion with NaOH and mineral acid/CO2) as a white and very lightweight Silica used extensively in the tyre industry as replacement for Carbon Black (hence called White Carbon). It is also used as a builder in rubber and plastics formulations. It retails for about US $1/kg and is a cost effective substitute for the silica made from sodium silicate by Companies such as Degussa of Germany. Regards. balaji We're using it to make woodstoves, among other things. But I think people who're interested in papercrete and adobe and so on should have a look at RHA. Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Preserving the Harvest
Hello Kim Garth, You can also generate chilling capacity using solar power and desiccants like zeolite. You can be totally off grid and yet meet your freezing requirement. I am in the process of building such a system using a junked compressor from a truck brake system. Refer to the links for further info. http://www.eg-solar.de/english/products/products.htm http://www.zeo-tech.de/htm/e/e_solar1.htm Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Preserving the Harvest Thank you for the information. Where are you located? I have a friend looking for a poultry supplier. Also, what is your average humidity? I am about 125 miles from the gulf of Mexico and unless we are suffering from a drought, my humidity is always above 75%. I find this gives me real problems for drying food. Does anyone know how to get around this? Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:19 AM 7/8/2004, you wrote: Drying is definitely the best in terms of energy used to store. If you make a solar dryer, (and have sunshine when you need it) that is also the best (FREE) way to get it preserved. I made a solar dryer out of a food tray holder (like in hospitals and cafeterias) I found at the recycle yard. It is aluminum on three sides and ws open in the front. We glued hinges and put a plexiglass door on the front. I leave a gap in the door to dissipate the condensation, by adjusting the Velcro strip I use to keep it closed. When the sun isn't shining and you have a large crop to dry, it works great with 2-3 100 watt bulbs (any light fixture that will fit under the last shelf on the bottom) Mine is about 6ft tall and has nine shelves. Oh, the shelves are wire shelves, also from recycle yard cut down to fit. Last fall I dried apples, it fit about 50 per batch. Since then I came across a bunch of bread racks, which look sort of similar and fold up. I am trying to find a way to turn them into solar dryers. Covering in plexiglass would be too costly. Today I am going to try canning some of the pastured poultry we haven't sold this week. It always seemed a huge energy output (90 minutes of processing) so I have never tried it, but I need to make room so I will give it a try. Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gasification of biomass and glycerol
Hello Pannirselvam, We are associated as manufacturing licencees with the CGPL, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore and have installed a 20 kWe Biomass gasification based power plant at the University of Sao Paulo, Brazil, in 2002. I shall get back to you on its performance shortly. We are currently involved in a 500 kWe UNDP funded rural electrification project for a cluster of 5 villages. The design of our gasifier is such that it is capable of handling any biomass of bulk density 200 kg/M3. In our existing installations, we have used coconut shell/Casuarina/ Eucalyptus/Prosopsis/saw dust briquettes. The cashew nut shell needs to be briquettted to improve its bulk density. You can significantly improve the economics by sale of the by-products. With coconut shell, you will produce about 8-10% of high grade charcoal (or Activated Carbon to be more exact) having an Iodine Value of 500 to 600 mg/gm. This needs to be crushed and classified before sale. Unlike in biodiesel, Iodine value here is an indication of the surface activity or Adsorbtivity of the Carbon and the higher this value, the greater its market price. Without further activation, this carbon can be used for decolourisation and deodourisation of drinking water supplies, edible oil refining, liquid process streams in chemicals and dyes industries. It can also be activated either thermally or by steam to Iodine value 1000 mg/gm for treating liquid and gas process streams in drugs, electronics and hazardous industries and in gas masks. This is sold in bulk in India at US $ 500 to 1,000/MT depending on Iodine value. With cashew nut shell, you first extract CNSL or Cashew Nut Shell Liquid, which is used as a wood preservative directly or in formulation as varnish. It imparts a warm sheen to the wood surface and provides protection against a number of wood borers and termites. The yield is 15-20% of the shell weight. I believe the Japanese use it for manufacturing value added downstream resins for speciality uses. CNSL is sold in bulk in India at about US $ 400/MT. The deoiled shell is then briquettted and gasified. The plants at village level should nominally be viable at 20 kWe output, if you compare it with grid delivered and unsubsidised power. However, in most cases this prognosis holds little meaning, as you are providing villagers something they never possessed and the cascading impact on the village economy and quality of life of the people now made powerful, in more ways than one, cannot be easily and directly reckoned. You may visit the CGPL site at http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/ Glycerine, being liquid, does not easily lend itself to atmospheric gasification. I need to research this further. regards, balaji - Original Message - From: pan ruti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: gpecufrn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; karunakaran [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; padmanabhan paramasevam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [biofuel] Gasification of biomass and glycerol Hello Balaji Here in northeast part of the Brasil, we are studying the possibility of installing a small gasification units in rural area based on coconut and cashew nut shell.What about the viability of making the small scale units.Please help us inthis regards about resources in internet..Can glycerol can be used in the process. Your faithfully Pannirselvam snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biofuel project in rural india
Hello Sam, Professor Udupi Shrinivasa is in the Department of Mechanical Engineering at Indian Institute of Science (IISc), Bangalore. Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Sam ddd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: [biofuel] biofuel project in rural india I have come across an excellent project on biofuel in rural India, initiated by a committed IIT professor. Here is the link: http://www.goodnewsindia.com/Pages/content/discovery/honge.html regards, Sam Thomas visit: http://accountsteacher.com biofuel - the ONLY option Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] List Discussions As Biofuels
Hello Arlos, - Original Message - From: Arlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] List Discussions As Biofuels I am indeed aware that metrics are taught at school in the USA. I have a number of cousins, nephews and nieces from the USA who have difficulty in understanding kph vs. mpg, in spite of this. What I meant when I stated that we are schooled that way was that we were trained to handle metrics in later life as well. Schooled as in schooled in the arts. I continue to receive e-mail from a number of biocentric and engineering lists, where plain exasperation is very colourfully expressed by a number of fellow listers from USA about having to constantly convert units. My post was tongue in cheek. A minor storm in a tepid tea cup, no doubt ? Regards. balaji Balaji, Our science here in the USA is indeed taught in metrics which you know is universal to all disciplines. The behemoth beast of industry here still refuses to join the rest of the world and make the final leap to metric. The cost of conversion is enormous. The cost of not converting is far greater. Arlos Aptos, California snip I am indeed aware that metrics are taught at school in the USA. I have a number of cousins, nephews and nieces from the USA who have difficulty in understanding kph vs. mpg, in spite of this. What I meant when I stated that we are schooled that way was that we were trained to handle metrics in later life as well. Schooled as in schooled in the arts. Gustl is right, I should allow for the way the language is perceived and handled by different cultures. I receive e-mail from a number of biocentric and engineering lists, where plain exasperation is expressed by a number of fellow listers from USA about having to constantly convert units. My post was tongue in cheek. A minor storm in a tepid tea cup, no doubt ? Regards. balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Sacred Animal and biofuel group
Hello Gustl, - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pan ruti biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Sacred Animal and biofuel group Hallo, As soon as I saw this mail from Pan Ruti I knew that I had been misunderstood and my first thought was to privately explain what I meant by the expression sacred cows and apologize for any misunderstanding. I did this immediately but upon reflection I think it is not enough to do this privately. English is the primary language of this list but it is probably not the first language of the majority of subscribers. English idioms may be commonly understood by those of us with English as their first language but it can and often is confusing, insulting and offensive to others whose familiarity with the language is not intimate. This can and has led to not only misunderstandings but hard feelings as well. snip You are very generous in apologising for any unintended misunderstanding. Hindus are very touchy about cows, whom they consider sacred, the repository of all our 330 Million gods, after the divine cow Kamadhenu, the mother of all cows. My father used to tell me of how our own cow Lakshmi was treated as a senior family member in our village. She was provided the choicest cattlefeed and sweets and during religious ceremonies, she was bathed, painted with vermillion, bedecked, and offered the first pooja. Only then were the other gods addressed. He also told a heart warming tale of how Lakshmi and her son Ramudu followed them all the way out of town with tears streaking her eyes the day they moved to the city. (I am not sure whether cows can cry, though when their soulful eyes brim over you get the distinct impression of felt emotion.) This practice of bovine reverence continues in our rural areas even today, where we celebrate a three day harvest fertility festival during January involving the cow and the ox. In our puranas or holy texts, Kamadhenu being the veritable cornucopia that she is, has been the cause of much coveting and heartburn among the lesser gods. With rapid urbanisation and the attendant pressure on space, domestic cows can no longer be maintained. Pannerselavam is too sensitive and need not have taken the distressed umbrage he did over such a casual idiom. Now that you have explained it, he should understand that you meant no offence. Regards, balaji. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] METHANOL from PONGAMIA PODS/SHELLS
Hello Shashi, Sorry for this late posting. On this list, even 3 days seems a lot ;). Happy to learn of your interest in converting biomass to methanol. In theory at least, it should be possible to convert the Pongamia pods into methanol, the intermediate process being gasification. Atmospheric gasification generates syngas/producer gas having the following molar fractions : CO - 20%, H2 - 20%, CH4 - 4%, CO2 - 8% H20 -1% N2- Rest. Steam reforming of biomass aided by electrolytic or PSA Oxygen gives higher H2:CO ratios as follows : CO - 37.3%, H2 - 15.8%, CH4 - 11.4%, CO2 - 34.7% H2O -0.5% N2- 0.3%. Stoichiometry requires a still richer H2 :CO content for better conversion of methanol. This can be done by either increasing the H2 content or by lowering the CO2 content. H2 in turn can be generated either by electrolysis or by atmospheric gasification. Though you can generate the electricity with biomass gasification and gas engine and use it for this electrolysis, the alternative of H2 separation from syngas is even more attractive, as you can still use th CO left behind in the syngas for power generation. Studies have indicated that this H2 addition though more capital and energy intensive, still produces lower unit cost methanol owing to higher coversion efficiencies (about 81%). The reaction can also be pushed to the right by CO2 removal, involving lower energy and capital costs, but suffers from much lower conversion efficiencies (22%) and therefore higher unit cost of production (over 50%), to which Art alluded earlier. For details refer to http://www.refuelnet.de/content/refuelnet/pdf/SOMFB_99.pdf All this is of little help to you, since the capital equipment would significantly add to your biodiesel plant cost. As they say in Tamil, do not buy a horse because you got a horseshoe free. It makes much better sense to use both the shell and the seedcake after oil removal for power generation with biomass gasifiers, which can be sized right from 5 kW upwards. We are currently conducting studies on a 1000 lpd biodiesel plant, which will use the noncattlefeed grade seedcake for power generation via gasification to meet its parasitic load. The Ministry of Non-conventional Energy Sources provides subsidy for the gas engine generator. The plant will typically use about 1.2kg of seedcake per kWh of electricity. If you can tell me the size of your plant, I can possibly work out more meaningful numbers. Regards, balaji DEAR BALAJI, Your message was very useful informative, I would like to like to know if METHANOL can be produced using the SHELLS of pongamia pods since only 50% by weight is kernel the other half is shell, if the shells are utlised to produce METHANOL then it will be a great idea to make biodiesel in India pls. do give the full details if this is possible REGARDS'' Shashi Kumar mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
Hail, Fellow well met, Sir Keith,
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
Hello Robert
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Robert
It works well, the metric system, but it's kind of soulless, don't you
think?
I like souls in people and furry creatures that greet me with
rejoicing. I can live with perfectly well with cold, unfeeling
systems of measurement!
Ah, good sir Robert, and what then wilt thou do when yon deep-rooting
herbs thou fightest answer the more readily to the spur of thine load
of manure than ever thine but ineptly planted crops may do, and thou
wouldst deter the rank growth resulting not merely with the pull of a
hand propelled by thine unfeeling elbow but by means of a scythe
woefully unmeasured against the length of thine arm in due accord
with the unmetrical cubit whose imprecision thou doth so despise?
And whence thine placing beyond life's gentle pale those creatures
whose final fortress against outer misfortune be nor fur nor yet the
unclad skin whose brazen nakedness we would in our ignorance deem
kingly but wondrously artful arrangements of feather and scale and
chitin and more yet besides? - or indeed the mere porous membrane
that shields the endless teeming hordes who spark to life to do our
Mother's bidding only to flare and die in but a trice in the dark
worlde beyond our seeing of it and yet upon whom all her great
designs doth ultimately depend, and our own fate with them, for
though so paltry and seeming without import far greater be they than
we arrogant ones who lumber and flail about so gracelessly by
comparison?
Considerable specks, no doubt, these denizens of the dark worlde, which work
in wondrous ways to close the natural cycle.
For cold and unfeeling indeed be those systems of measurement that
would have us pursue without heed the Gaderene rush towards a
precision that would do more and more to measure less and ever less
and even still stands thwarted short of counting the angels that
dance upon the head of a pin. Driven it was from the start by
overweening greed, the greed of the already too-powerful that is
beyond measurement and beyond all satisfaction be the earth and all
our doings reduced to ashes a-smoulder thereby e'er they be done with
it. And thus are we all or should be Luddites here - nay, not ever
against technology and progress in themselves as the ignorant doth
charge, but seeking first as did the mythical Ned before us ever to
know to whose benefit shall its use accrue, and to whose undoing.
Please tarry, here, Sir Keith, whilst we take a closer look at things. Dost
thou in all gravitas hold that yon cold and unfeeling systems be the seed
of much base greed and avarice? When, oh, when wilt thou grasp the ease of
plying thine grey cells to reckon the weight of thine declamations in
Metrics as opposed to avoirdupois ? Doth not the other system that thou so
highly extolleth and commendeth for its fidelity to natural measures verily
bestow on thine balding pate not merely a cerebral pain in the recknoning of
it but the most distressing hangover the next morn like unto the ague that
follows the wayward wastrel that quaffs too much mead for his own good?
Wouldst thou that we destroy all the good that Metrics confer and with blind
rage bludgeon the most serviceable and universally approved machinery as did
the self same Ned ? Wouldst thou turn the clock back and make the rooster
swallow his crow ? :-{
And were not those who survived by miraculous forewarning an earlier
crisis of global warming duly instructed once floods subsided and
safety's shore were reached to divide and multiply?
More be the pity. Methinks, thou shouldst betake thyself to the nearest
library and peruse much vital statistics of other nations so that thou
apprehendeth the distress and the calamity that the too literal following of
the original decree visited on the heedless multitudes.
snip
Don't process at
the full moon unless the wild garlic's in full flower. No need to
sacrifice a virgin, not even for waste oil, that's just a myth, it
works perfectly well without.
: )
Wasn't it Protagorus who wrote: Man is the measure of all things?
But that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
I guess, to quote Solomon, there is nothing new under the sun!
Yea, verily, for all is vanity, and a vexation of the spirit to boot.
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge
increaseth sorrow.
Yea to that !
Regards.
balaji
Regards
Keith (who will now desist, and craves your pardon)
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Re: [biofuel] can anyone help me find assistance on biofuel in India
Hello Sam, Akshay, Keith and all, Glad to know of your interest, particularly in spreading awareness via pedagogy. More power to you. This list itself is a treasure chest of all aspects of biofuels and biodiesel. You can access tons of useful information (and not only on biofuels) by following these links, which are also to be found at the foot of each post : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ My earlier posting to which Keith referred : Here's a link to the mandate for blending 5% ethanol with gasoline and 20% biodiesel with dino diesel at the refineries, most of which is in the govt's hands. It is a modest target http://planningcommission.nic.in/reports/genrep/cmtt_bio.pdf The idea is to produce ethanol from sugar/sugarcane/molasses/starch bearing crops such as cassava and sweet sorghum/lignocellulosics such as rice straw and sugarcane bagasse. The blend is to progressively increase but only upto a maximum of 20% due to the following concerns (i) higher aldehyde emissions, (ii) corrosiveness, affecting metallic parts (iii) higher latent heat of vaporisation causing startability problem, (iv) higher evaporation losses due to higher vapour pressure and (v) requiring large fuel tank due to lower calorific value. The proposed feedstock for the biodiesel is Jatropha, as However, Jatropha curcas has been found most suitable for the purpose. It will use lands which are largely unproductive for the time being and are located in poverty stricken areas and in degraded forests. It will also be planted on farmers' field boundaries and fallow lands. They will also be planted in public lands such as along the railways, roads and irrigation canals. In the Demonstration phase,which is to complete by 2007, 4,00,000 Ha are to be commandeered in 8 states through both private initiative and Joint Forest Management Committees )(Here forest depts provide title of forest land to the local community, which is then induced to invest in the land and the profits are shared,. At last count, there were about 63,000 of them in operation across the country). A lot of employment potential is expected even at the Demo stage and in the words the Committee : Thus Bio-diesel development by itself could become a major poverty alleviation programme for the rural poor apart from providing energy security to the country in general and to the rural areas in particular and upgrading the rural non- farm sector. On the Demo being proven, a further 11 Million Ha are to afforested by 2011, for producing about 13 Million MT per annum to meet the demand for 20% blend. This target is modest, the plan is achievable with available infrastructure and the entire projevyt is to be implemented on mission mode. This plan looks more likely to succeed than the earlier woolly headed dreams of converting 5 Million Ha of wasteland per annum. There are serious concerns about using a monocrop such as Jatropha and no doubt course correction will occur as we go along. The biggest flaw, however is the proposal to establish a 100,000 TPA biodiesel plant in each state to process the oil into biodiesel. This is a direct result of the Oil Companies' apprehensions about quality of biodiesel from local producers. I am sure local initiative will overcome this as well as set more ambitious targets for higher levels of blending/complete conversions to B100. If you are working somewhere in the United Arab Emirates, it might interest you to know of local initiatives towards using biodiesel for driving Mercs. Talk fo taking coal to Newcastle ! I am not able to place my finger on it at the moment. regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Akshay Kakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] can anyone help me find assistance on biofuel in India Hello Sam, I dont know if this is of much help but my college (Delhi College of Engineering) had been running a very successful bio desiel project for about 2 years. I have since then graduated but i do believe that the college has pursued the concept very vigrously. If you want I could ask my professor to get in touch with you. Akshay Kakar Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send
Re: [biofuel] List Discussions As Biofuels
Hello Gustl, I couldn't agree with you more. The ethic you advocate represents the best of Emerson, Thoreau, Tolstoy, Gandhi and other radical pacifist anarchists. Peace be with you ! Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: [biofuel] List Discussions As Biofuels Hallo Friends, There is sometimes a comment on the list, usually from a newcomer, that this is a biofuel list and that we ought to be discussing biofuels rather than politics or religion or whatever. I would like to suggest that rational discussion of anything which can lead to altering ones way of thinking for the better ought to be considered biofuel. The mind devours, digests and lives on information and thoughts. When thinking stops the mind atrophies or dies. New concepts, new information is needed to keep the mind strong and healthy. We do not have to agree with everything we hear but we need to at least consider what others have to say. No matter where we are from or what we believe we need to turn things over in our mind as though it was a compost heap and let logic and reason burn out that which is useless or evil and leave only fertile soil remaining. It is difficult to train oneself to stand back from our preconceived notions and cultural and religious training and look objectively at anothers point of view. However when we do that we not only give them the courtesy and consideration they deserve but we either confirm or falsify our own knowledge and beliefs. If we are honest, with ourselves at least, we will change ourselves to bring our thought in line with that which is true if it is shown that we are wrong. The sustenance of this list has been the love of ones fellow human beings, the ethic of care and the desire to serve others. The underlying commonality of this list is not the desire to make biofuels and put more money in the pocketbook but the humanity of the list members. This is not a list to aid individuals but a list of cooperation to aid everyone, particularly those of little means. It also, and in no lesser manner I think, aids the planet on which we live remain healthier. We have just come through a difficult time and I don't know that we are out of the woods yet. If we are all to succeed together we must lay aside our differences, be open to new and sometimes painful information, and make our judgements based on what is true, what the actual situation is, what the facts are rather than our personal and emotionally held beliefs which may or may not be right. If we refuse to examine our own cherished beliefs in the light of reason and logic rather than from a subjective, biased and emotional viewpoint then we are depriving our mind of the biofuel it needs to grow and understand. I believe this is why there are no topic cops on the biofuel list. I believe this is why there are no sacred cows here. I see no hate but I have seen anger. That should not be a problem. People get angry about things sometimes. But friends, we need to quit using only our narrow vision and open up our peripheral sight. The bottom line is not what counts here. People and planet count. The welfare of both. Lack of peripheral vision, tunnel vision, is a good working definition of insanity I think. By using our peripheral vision we understand that there is only one race, human, and one country, our planet. We are one family living in one place and an offense against one is an offense against all. Family helps family. We are all brothers and sisters together. I hope this helps in understanding how and why the biofuel list functions and survives as it does. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
Hello Matt, - Original Message - From: matt mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] weights and measures ...5. Because, unlike USAns, they have been schooled that way Actually, it was my experience, (and I am only speaking for myself here) that metrics were a basic part of the curriculum, both in high school and college math classes. And this was way back in the early '80's. So, your schooling stopped with college way back in the early 80's ! It shows. On the other hand, other sensible citizens of the world (and the USA) realise that life itself is a continuing education and the application of what's taught at school is what takes them further down the path of knowledge and wisdom (and much less mental agony and waste of time). Refer to Robert's post on this. Once again a foriegn citizen shoots his mouth off with unfounded generalizations about American culture without the slightest bit of research first. American culture ! How, now Ophelia ? You occupy only a fraction of the two continents. You are the one who is biased about your country. Don't the Canadians and Latin Americans count in America? You started off talking for yourself and now you are spokesman for two whole continents ! Seriously now, if culture were to be limited to the conversion of metrics to Imperial and vice versa, heaven help us all ! The sad part is that your Anti American bias is exceeded only by the ignorance of the idiot that made the initial comment about pounds and inches. To read Anti American bias into a bald statement about how units are used in the USA, certainly needs a humongous mental leap that defies gravity (Pun intended). I do not understand why you are so rude to the initial poster who was at least genuinely expressing his opinion on what was so obvious to him. Is it anger at starting a thread that invites unwelcome and unacceptable comments from foreign citizens about American culture, which otherwise would not have been made in this forum ? Please learn to take life easier and look at its humorous side sometimes. Regards. balaji --- balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello George, Possibly because 1. Life is short and they would rather use the time allotted to them by their Maker in useful pursuits. 2. They do not wish to compute how much energy they expended in BTUs. 3. They find it easier to move decimals mentally than use a calculator. 4. They like their life to be simple and uncomplicated. 5. Because, unlike USAns, they have been schooled that way. Regards balaji - Original Message - From: george meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: [biofuel] weights and measures Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
Hello George, Possibly because 1. Life is short and they would rather use the time allotted to them by their Maker in useful pursuits. 2. They do not wish to compute how much energy they expended in BTUs. 3. They find it easier to move decimals mentally than use a calculator. 4. They like their life to be simple and uncomplicated. 5. Because, unlike USAns, they have been schooled that way. Regards balaji - Original Message - From: george meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: [biofuel] weights and measures Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] can anyone help me find assistance on biofuel in India
Hello Sam, What exactly are you looking for ? Is it oil/seed resource availability or government policy/assistance/subsidy or manufacturing process know-how or info on private initiatives or what ? Please clarify. Regards balaji - Original Message - From: Sam ddd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: [biofuel] can anyone help me find assistance on biofuel in India Can anyone please help me find out assistance on biofuel production in India? - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE Dear all My apologies for this ghastly flood of old messages we've all been subjected to in the last 24 hours. This was a attack on the list by a hacker, highly malicious and extremely childish. I hope to be able to tell you more about it soon. I am sure, with your extremely well honed skills in tracking down the truth, you will be able to tear the virtual veil down soon. Wish you all the best. For now, the culprit has, I think, been dealt with and hopefully it should be over. There were 800 false messages sent altogether in 24 hours. I managed to stop 500 of them, but there was nothing I could do about the rest, I'm very sorry to say. They were all previous messages from bona-fide list members sent again with the current date. It is easy to identify the repeat messages - they show the actual e-mail address of the sender instead of the list id. This way I have manged to delete the repeats. snip What has surprised me is that more list members haven't unsubscribed, faced with this onslaught. Few if any seem to have done so. Thankyou so much for your patience and tolerance. A nice demonstration of just what a tiny minority among sane and decent people the sociopathic element is, even on the Internet. Unsubscribe? From the biofuels List? Where I keep learning new things every day ? Catch me dead, man! Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Regards. balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Making Methanol from Glycerin ( was Re: Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans )
Hello Art, - Original Message - From: Art Krenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Making Methanol from Glycerin ( was Re: Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans ) Bob, I have worked with the biomass gasification process for quite a few years and the conversion efficiency of biomass carbon to methanol is more in the 20% region. Check http://www.refuelnet.de/content/refuelnet/pdf/SOMFB_99.pdf Very happy to learn of your work. I am personally involved in gasification of woody biomass for heat and power applications. Gasification conversion efficiency in the cold gas is ~80 - 85%. We have done some work in India on conversion of diesel to gas engines ( 5,000 hours on generators) with overall electrical conversion efficiency on smaller gas engines of 22-25% on HHV of biomass. Withal the delivered cost of energy per kWh is ~ US c 3.7 viz. less than half of what industry is charged by the utilities (~ US c 10/kWh). Was your work on up, down or crossdraft ? Did you use it for power generation or for thermal energy only ? What was the process followed for conversion of syngas to methanol ? What were the stage wise yields of methanol and the energy balance ? At today's natural gas prices, it is cheaper to produce methanol via gas synthesis than produce it via fermentation. Hang on though, prices might be changing soon. The real energy loser in the fermentation process (after production costs) is concentrating the methanol from a dilute water solution to a fuel quality liquid. It would be interesting to compare the costs in the tropics. The energy cost comparison heavily tilts the balance to biomass. For instance, the landed cost of wet (~30%) as cut wood in most urban centres in India is about US c 2.3/kg. The delivered cost of usable energy via gasification is ~ US $ 3.5/GJ @ 80% gasification efficiency. 'Natural gas' retails at US $ 9.2/GJ. Regards, balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Suzuki to manufacture new diesel engine in India
Hello All, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [biofuel] Suzuki to manufacture new diesel engine in India DieselNet UPDATE May 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Suzuki to manufacture new diesel engine in India snip The company's exclusive focus on gasoline engines allowed the competitor's Tata Motors diesel model Indica to become very successful. http://www.globalsuzuki.com/globalnews/2004/0519.html The main demand for diesel cars in India stems from the lower cost of diesel. Gasoline (called petrol in India) costs almost 40% more (nearly US $ 3/gallon). Our masters in Delhi, in their supreme wisdom, have ordained that diesel, largely used for bulk transportation and hence a social cost (god alone knows why), should be cross subsidised by gasoline, mainly used for cars and so assumed to be the rich man's fuel. So, we live with the paradox of a two-wheeler owner (annual income ~ US $ 2000) indirectly paying a millionaire for driving his latest e-class Merc around town. This is still good news as it reduce lead in the air and improve air quality (we still use TEL as anti-knock). Hopefully, in the future, when biodiesel catches on, motoring will be sustaibnable. Still there are worries about sub 2.5 micron dust. regards balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: biodiesel with pongamia oil
Hello Jayant, - Original Message - From: jayantharangaonkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: biodiesel with pongamia oil Mr. Balaji, Can you guide me, Iam facing problem of foam formation during bubble washing. What can be the reason. Also i want to know whether bio-diesel is oily slightly sticky. Regards, Jayant harangaonkar Dear all, I have recently joined this group. I have made the biodiesel, but during washing lot of foam formation has occoured but no oil water emulsion has formed. I want to know what can be the reasons what actions to be taken. Regards, Jayant I do not know the process you followed and the ratios of various materials you used for making biodiesel. What is the stock you used, was it virgin oil or waste oil? If the former what oil did you use, was it Pongamia ? If the latter did you titrate for FFA? Did you use KOH or caustic lye? Please provide details. In the meanwhile, refer to the link you find at the bottom of this message. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html and the further links http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Follow up the links and download all the web pages. This is invaluable, particularly during the learning curve. You can also do a search of the list archives, http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ using bubble wash foaming as the search words. This will turn up more info and much practical advice from pioneers like Keith, Girl Mark, Todd, Martin et al. What would we do without you guys and the considerable effort, time, thought and expertise you give of so freely ? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html Froth Beginners sometimes have a lot of trouble with the wash -- as soon as they start the bubbler the mixture starts to froth up and boils over. This will partly be due to excess soap, but more likely because the biodiesel reaction didn't go far enough, leaving unconverted or partly converted material in the fuel. These will be di-glycerides and mono-glycerides -- the frothing will be caused by the mono-glycerides, which work as emulsifiers. Frothing can be quenched by using more acid, and it will probably need more washing than usual, but the real solution is to improve the process. Poor titration, insufficient methanol, inadequate agitation, low process temperature, not enough mixing time can all lead to an incomplete process. Regards. balaji. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel with pongamia oil
Hello Shashi, Mahindra Mahindra Ltd. has a pilot plant utilizing Karanj for biodiesel in Mumbai. This plant has carried out successful trails on tractors using this fuel. Parameters such as power, torque, fuel consumption, emissions, etc. have been found quite satisfactory on tractors operating on this biodiesel. Field trials for about 3 kms have also been carried out on the tractors. Source Parivesh, Central Pollution Contro Board. http://www.cpcb.delhi.nic.in/diesel/ch70902.htm Regards. balaji - Original Message - From: shashi kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: [biofuel] biodiesel with pongamia oil DEAR FRIENDs Can any one help me by giving the process for making Biodiesel at home in India from pongamia pinnata oil.In India we are useing this oil as SVO INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE Banglore has done a commendable job by electrifing Indian tribal villages where electricity was unheard,with pongam oil as svo.I would like to know if any of our friends have made Biodiesel with pongamia pinnata oil, pls give me a method where i can use it for my carShashi. home __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday
Hello Keith, Thanks a lot for the leads to the RxP additive, which seems to operate by enhancing combustion by infra red absorption from the burning fuel in the engine while simultaneously providing an envelope of moisture over the flame thus reducing NOx formation. The claimed benefits include cleaner burning, de-carbonisation, enhanced Cetane and Octane Number, higher hp and low treatment ratios (an ounce of RxP to treat 10 gallons of Dino diesel). It is based on a blend of hydrocarbon distillates. Tests conducted on a boiler at St. Mary's Hospital, Long Beach, produced the following results : NOx emissions averaged 27.8 parts per million (ppm), which was 30% below that required by the SCAQMD standards. CO emissions averaged 104.4 ppm, which was 74% below that required by the SCAQMD standards. Here are the direct links : http://www.rxp.com/Press_Telegraph.htm http://www.rxp.com/wouldn.htm http://www.rxp.com/test-cov.htm Does anybody have field experience with this ? Biofuel Systems did not respond. I look forward to further info on your Japanese friends' work on rapeseed oil based additives. Regards, balaji - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday Hello Balaji Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday There are also additives available which lower NOx emissions with biodiesel. Could you please provide links/information on these additives ? Are they vegoil based ? I only know of one, but I think there are others. It's linked in this message, along with more discussion on NOx which you may find interesting. I don't know if it's vegoil-based or not. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33712/ Re: NOx/Ozone You might also ask these people, they may be able to help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a company here in Japan that we're friendly with who're working on rapeseed-oil-based additives for biodiesel, interesting stuff but not on the market yet. I'll post more information when I have it. HTH Best wishes Keith Regards balaji Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
Hello Craig, - Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war Hakan, You wrote: What's interesting in Ryan's post is the assumption that colonizing what is now the United States is seen as being the only way anyone (other than the former inhabitants, that is) could've possibly directly benefitted. That is, there is apparently no way to share the resources of a place with the former owners in a way that benefits both them and the colonizing power. While I'd agree that we have no good model or historical precedent for such a thing, that shouldn't mean we can't recognize the horror that was the colonial experience for those who were colonized. It is interesting to compare the circumstance and the consequence of colonisation of the Indias and the Americas. We have greater India (comprising present day Bangladesh, India and Pakistan) which was a largely British Colony for nearly two centuries, the same duration it took the Red Indian tribes to be subjugated, decimated and destroyed. We also had our unfair share of colonists - Portuguese in Goa, Daman Diu (almost as brutal as the Spanish) the French (more intolerant but less brutal) in Pondicherry, Yanam Mahe and the least disruptive Dutch (or was it the Danish) in Tranquebar. The British were most exploitatitve of the natives in economic terms. We also had many false treaties written with the eye on the main chance just as Indian Chiefs were cheated by men who entered into troth with no intention of keeping it the next morn. The rulers of the many princely states that fractured our country were likewise played one against the other as it happened with our Red cousins in distress. The cultural differences were siginifcant. What the British saw in India was a higly stratified society with large populations in towns that were centuries old. They were struck by the grand iniquitous opulence and decadent lifetyle of rajahs and the Mughals. They could understand the urbane sophistication and Byzantine intrigues of the ministers in court. In fact the courtiers of the British crown must have felt completely at ease in such surroundings. Besides, for most of them, India was a temporary though prolonged posting from which they could always return home. Many of the early British school of Indology got lost in its other wordly philosophy. The Red Indian tribes at least in North America were hunter gatherers and largely nomadic. Their close to nature lifestyle was a ready lure for the settlers, who found little competition in such a vast land. They also had no home to return to, having burnt their bridges. USA in 1700- 1850 was the Wild West, raw frontier country being newly settled, where might was right and nobody present to check the wrong doing except kangaroo courts by roving circuit judges and lynch mobs. I think it is the lack of a judicial infrastructure that did the native tribes in. That and the initial struggle to survive and the growing greed of men. The British of course exploited the natives to the hilt and even destroyed the indigenous indigo and muslin industry among others as they posed market threats to Britain. Colonisation was not however an unmitigated disaster for India and had many positives. An upright and honest judicial system that continued to dispense humane justice in spite of the many black laws enacted by the administration. The many voices of conscience from Britain that spoke up for the natives. The excellent education system which was mostly secular with little attempt at religious proselytisation. The basic railroad that has mushroomed into the largest in the world. I think it had partly to do with the British sense of justice and fairplay (it wasn't cricket) and the rule of law most of them abided by back in Britain. That's possibly why slave trading initiated by the British in the Americas, was abolished in 1807, long before it happened in the USA. Regards. balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
, minority in Iraq for many reasons, oil, hope, and liberation among them. We have attempted to provide them with hope for a brighter future, teach them about democracy and free trade, so that we may watch them prosper, and no one can seem to get past centuries old grudges and hatred toward one another and us. Agreed that the Middle East today does not reflect its glorious past and can do with much improvement in human and gender rights. But does not USA or India or any other country for that matter have its share of such people ? The major reason democracy has not sprouted in these parts is the patronage and close ties that the ruling elites have enjoyed with the USA, which has been as keen to appear to maintain democracy at home as in propping up venal, corrupt and pliant dictatorships in the rest of the world, all in the national interest of course. Why else do you think the people of the Third World even today are left leaning ? It got so bad, one man ordered the hijacking and crashing of our own planes (once again our inventions) into our own skyscrapers (dido) because we had established a base in The Holy Land to promote stability in the region, and he couldn't handle we Infidels on his turf. Where were the Muslims after 9/11? I sure didn't hear cries of outrage and condemnation from their community, did you? In fact the silence, at least state-side, was deafening. We are infidels, and every good Muslim must rid the world of infidels according to the Koran, am I right? So I say, Fine, you want me dead? I'll fight you back by not buying your oil and watching you figure out the world doesn't work that way anymore and changing. I buy and promote biodiesel to give the people of the Middle East incentive to find another line of work and move forward. As for the non-American majority on this list, stop and consider, for a moment where you would be without us. I find this begging my first question - Where would the USA be without the rest of the non American (sic) world ? I come from an ancient land, where a more encompassing, inclusive and holistic way of life has been practiced for millenia, long before the advent of any civilisation in Europe, let alone the New World. We had and continue to have a living democratic tradition in our village Panchayats, where disputes were debated and settled in a fair and just manner. We are the world's largest democracy and continue to cherish humanistic values. Our elections ae by and large fair. Withall, there are a whole raft of warts all over our bodies politic and social and no amount of nay saying will make them go away. As in much of life all over this global village, there is much to rejoice about and much to grieve over. I find you very selective about facts and amnesic about large tracts of recorded history. The patriot in you is possibly struggling to prove that his country is the best for the sole reason that he was born in it. I find the tenor of you mail at a very low ebb, the approach very narrow and exclusivistic and the attitude juvenile. You are bad publicity for millions of your decent and thoughtful countrymen. Please try to assimilate facts that militate against your pet beliefs, if only to improve your worldview and achieve the balance that is so sadly lacking in your perspective. Weigh your words before you speak. Token deference to the other list members aided by sly winks notwithstanding your mail is insulting not only to the self respect of the majority but to the intelligence of a moderately informed citizen of the world. Regards. balaji Ryan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war
Dear (tut, tut) Sir, - Original Message - From: Ryan Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war All I can add in our defense, is that much more good has come from our use of the land for the good of the world, than from the natives who inhabited it previously. Yes, you too have benefited from Jackson' s quest, Quo bono ? so find a better argument about the poor, savage, barbaric, nomadic though culturally rich natives who fell easily to manifest destiny. Their children or what is left of their decimated numbers after the systematic and sustained pogroms, the single largest and least mentioned blot on American history. are being well taken care of, and now have the benefit of electricity, inexpensive housing, internal combustion, oh, and beer. :) Also, we sure picked a loser for a President in 2000, good thing we can kick him out of office in 2004. How many other countries refresh their leadership on such a regular basis? More countries than you care to acknowledge, with a lot less behind the scenes rigging that brought him to office in the first place. I agree with some who think his entire administration should be behind bars for the atrocities, corruption, and fleecing of not only the American public, but the entire world. I am ashamed to be associated with our false President and his cabinet these days, but proud that I voted for Al Gore, and rightly so...as it turns out. Is Kerry the answer? Maybe, but at least he will choose an entirely different administration and get those crocked-good-for-nothin' Ashcrofts, Rumsfelds, and Cheneys out of positions of power. When push comes to shove, and believe me it has! The American public will do the right thing. And elect another Bush and prouide him the higest popularity ratings as they did immediately after the attack on iraq ? In the mean time, we're all [here on this list] are just doing what we can to reduce the need for foreign oil, Not in the sense you mean it, though. to take the incentive away from stability in the Middle East. come again. Personally I look forward to the day when the economics of the region make it impossible to inhabit the area, at least on the same scale. Where will all of those people go? Well, they may just have to assimilate elsewhere, obey the law, get a job, and act respectable. You can then send your troops in and create the next US state. Enough of this 2000 year code of Islamic law already, the world awards progress...they'll figure it out. Please note I don't hate Native Americans or Muslim populations in general, I believe all people are generally good, and have gone through the four years of feminist based philosophy that is State-sponsored University here in the US. With that said- Flame away dear friends, Ryan :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday There are also additives available which lower NOx emissions with biodiesel. Could you please provide links/information on these additives ? Are they vegoil based ? Regards balaji Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
Hi all, So am I. Balaji, Chennai, TN, India - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae... I am interested as well. Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: wwschnabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae... I asked a while ago if anyone had any info on Oil from algae. What I would like to do is an experiment. Does anyone have any info on how exactly to extract the oil from algae? Could I do it in a home lab? Thanks, Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. Op http://www.planet.nl/evs staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics
that wether they like it or not, we are all brothers and sisters, period, and we need to treat each other as such. If it were my world there would be no divorce, no orphans, no rape, murder, genocide. There would be no need to grasp for the old mighty dollar. We would all be working on these things and working as a team to colonize other planets and not make the same mistakes we have made with this one. I will not respond to any more political posts simply because I now clearly see it aggravates you, even though I find them humorous. It is not my intent to anger anyone here, even though at the time it looked as though you were directly asking for opinions on your political post. Thus, I am going to leave with a smile of gratitude towards you knowing that I cannot comprehend why political discussions need to take place here and will simply look forward to questions and answers about this solution to some of these problems, the one we call Biodiesel. Tad All nice to listen to except the bit on concrete but is it realistic ? Balaji Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
