Re: [Biofuel] wolfberry link - supernutrient - Herb of Longevity
Yep, growing some from seed here in the U.K. They are about an inch high now. If anyone shows an interest, I will blog their progress. Regards, Bob - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:52 AM Subject: [Biofuel] wolfberry link - supernutrient - Herb of Longevity http://www.answers.com/topic/matrimony-vine seems to grow anywhere as well http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=LYBA4 -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor
Hi Mark, If your thermostat can take the full current of your heating element, you just wire it in series. The rod type thermostat found in most UK domestic immersion heaters will work just fine for this. The down side is they are usually made of brass. If you do decide to use washing machine elements, I would reccomend using two in a 75 litre processor, giving a total output of approx 5kw. Wire them on separate circuits, one through the thermostat and one with just a switch. Use two elements to heat the oil up to working temperature, then switch to just one for the processing. Well that is how I would do it anyway. Cheers Bob Oh yes, I am in Northants - Original Message - From: Mark` Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor Bob Thanks for the offered help, I am at the moment trying to make a 75 litre processor.The stainless kettle element you bought for your first processor how did you rig up a therostat to it was it quite easy? P-S I am in Lancs are you any where near? Regards Mark From: Bob Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:22:47 +0100 Hi Mark, How big is your processor? I made my first 15 litre processor using a stainless kettle element, bought from a local electical store for just £4.50. It is still working fine after a year. I am now using a 150 litre processor that is heated by hot water from a home made gas boiler. The long term plan is to convert the boiler to run on a mixture of glycerol and bio heating oil, but I am not there yet. If you need help sourcing stuff locally, I will help wherever I can Regards Bob - Original Message - From: Mark` Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor keith Thanks for that, you can get stainless immersion heater[element] but they are a fortune to buy brand new. I thought any list members may know of other alternatives? [ or supplys in the UK] Mark From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:51:09 +0900 Hi to every one, I am trying to build a processor but having difficulty in finding a heater element that is not made of copper? I am in the UK, I have been told, in Holland they make a brass emersion heater element but I can not find a supplier here in the UK. Any suggestions anybody? Mark Hi Mark Brass won't do either, neither will bronze, lead, tin and zinc. Aluminium doesn't react with biodiesel but it does react with lye so you can't use it in a processor. Stainless steel is best. Stainless steel immersion heaters definitely exist, surely obtainable in all countries. Seek and ye shall find. HTH, good luck. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor
Hi Mark, How big is your processor? I made my first 15 litre processor using a stainless kettle element, bought from a local electical store for just £4.50. It is still working fine after a year. I am now using a 150 litre processor that is heated by hot water from a home made gas boiler. The long term plan is to convert the boiler to run on a mixture of glycerol and bio heating oil, but I am not there yet. If you need help sourcing stuff locally, I will help wherever I can Regards Bob - Original Message - From: Mark` Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor keith Thanks for that, you can get stainless immersion heater[element] but they are a fortune to buy brand new. I thought any list members may know of other alternatives? [ or supplys in the UK] Mark From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:51:09 +0900 Hi to every one, I am trying to build a processor but having difficulty in finding a heater element that is not made of copper? I am in the UK, I have been told, in Holland they make a brass emersion heater element but I can not find a supplier here in the UK. Any suggestions anybody? Mark Hi Mark Brass won't do either, neither will bronze, lead, tin and zinc. Aluminium doesn't react with biodiesel but it does react with lye so you can't use it in a processor. Stainless steel is best. Stainless steel immersion heaters definitely exist, surely obtainable in all countries. Seek and ye shall find. HTH, good luck. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] changes in titration values
Hi Golan, Did you take your titration sample from the top of the tank? If your oil has stood for a couple of months, it is quite likely that all the worst oil has settled to the bottom of your tank and the best to the top. I would expect your titrations to get progressively higher as you work your way through the tank of oil, eventually getting even higher than your original 2.4. Sorry no magic, just settling out. Hope this helps Bob - Original Message - From: Golan Shmuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] changes in titration values hi! does any of you notice major difference in titration values in thesame oil before and after 1-2 months in stalling tank? i have anew 1000 liter black staling tank outside in the sun (it get very hot here in the summer 38-45 c July Aug) same oil that titrated 2.4 for few times before entering the tanktitrated 0.9 after few weeks in the tank ititrated over and over again for 8 times i change for fresh indicator twice but i still got the same result 0.9 i just made batch using 3.5+0.9 Noah and it pass the quality test (both methanolwashing) just fine any idea how this magic works? all the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds!
A guy who works near me has one of these. He was asked the mpg question. His response was "how the f*** should I know" lol Regards Bob - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds! A real big boy toy. It has a bonnet too. I wonder what the mpg number is? Peace, D. Mindock From: www.mercola.com $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds! If you're as interested as I am in the science of making cool cars, you'll enjoy watching thisawesome video demonstration of the Ariel Atom 2, URL: http://www.arielatom.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=127Itemid=7 a two-seater that looks and runs like a race car, yet is made for consumer use. Minimal bodywork, coupled with a supercharged Honda Civic type R engine, allow drivers to accelerate from 0-60 mph in two seconds, and that depends on your ability to shift gears fast enough! If you can't imagine how fast this car really goes, look at the face of the gentleman test-driving the Ariel Atom 2 (in the accompanying photo to the right), set to debut in America this year. Without a windshield, you can see what G forces and the wind do to the driver's face as he accelerates down a closed racetrack. Because of its superior ability to make turns, the Ariel Atom 2 more than holds its own in a race with a Honda CVR 600 motorcycle. Video is at: YouTube.com URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdkEV-t9jg0search=topgearApril 5, 2006 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Old Peugeots
Hi all, I have just acquired an old 1991 Peugeot 405 turbodiesel. Does anyone have any experience of how long the fuel lines and pump sealsmay last if I run B100 ? Also anyone know of a UK supplier for viton seal kits? Cheers, Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO
Hi Luke, I get oil like this from one of my suppliers. I don't get the black sediment layer but I do get two distinct layers even after thorough dewatering. The upper layer is clear oil while the lower layer is caramel coloured and about as solid as soft butter. When it was warmed up, it would melt to a liquid and become much darker, coffee coloured. (espresso) I have separated this lower layer out and tried making a test batch with it, with reasonable results. My best results were with the acid/base process. Dewater your oil thoroughly and try a test batch, it is the best way to know for sure if it is usable or not. Regards, Bob - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Tom, I heated to 170f as you suggested. It became transluent and then congelled again, this time in three layers, a bottom layer (about 5%) that looks like black solids, then a layer of something white (also about 5%) and the rest brown goo. But it looks like no water. So chicken fat it is. Any point in processing it seperately? Except to save the good stuff for winter use? At what outside temp do I need to be conserned about BD 100 gelling? Oh, and any idea what the white layer is? Thanks for your help. :-) Luke From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0400 Luke, If your WVO was used to cook meat such as chicken, you will have some animal fat which may be causing the middle layer. It will still make excellent warm weather fuel. Of course, it might be water. Heat a small sample to get the water to drop out. Take some of the dried WVO and let it cool. If it remains clear, you had water. If it clouds upon cooling it probably contains animal fat. Tom - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO The waste veg oil (wvo)I collect has three different layers after it settles. A clear (translucent) layer on top and a brown non-translucent layer - that doesn't want to filter - in the middle and then black solids on the bottom. My question is the middle brown layer. It seems - and I havent run enough batches to be sure - that the middle layer has water in it. Is it worth the energy - propane - to process it when you have to boil off the water? :-) Luke _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-(
Does anyone know if pimentos can be bought in the UK? I have been looking for them for over a year now Cheers Bob - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimento rears his ugly head again. :-( Isn't Pimento what goes in a olive? AS a Martini drinker, I don't see a problem - now, if it is Pimenthal... Alan Petrillo wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/38540/ AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008
In the U.K. 2005, the Smart car was voted Britains worst handling car by motoring journalists from the Top Gear motoring TV programme. Apparently it goes round corners worse than any SUV or MPV, so if you get youirself one, make sure you slow down plenty for any corners. On the other hand, look out for the Smart Coupe, a tiny little two seater sports car that was voted one of the BEST handling cars on the road. Personally, I would rather ride a bicycle than drive either of them. Regards Bob - Original Message - From: mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008 I hate to see these things on the highway, looks like people flying along under an umbrella. Surely can speed along, this is pretty much a four-wheel hooded motorcycle. Incredibly cute, though, and comfy. Very popular here in Toronto, but there's zero trunk space. Jesse From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:44:51 -0400 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008 I've been thinking that what I need would be a two seater with a fairly large storage space as I usually go downtown with servers and stuff. My Golf works ok with the seats down, but if the whole vehicle were designed for hauling small and medium loads a Smart Car design would be perfect. Now think of a diesel/electric hybrid... -Weaver AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Haken, I've seen the 2 seater up really close, took a look inside, watched it being parked in a miniscule spot, been behind one and in front of one in traffic, haven't driven one yet. They are really cool little cars. I think it is going to fill an important niche market for couriers, deliveries, fleets and businesses that like the fact that it sips thimbles of gasoline. Still, in order to wean Americans off of their obsession with suvs, it might be a good idea if the company made a heftier 4 seater utility that would appeal to the suv crowd and still sip at the pump. Image is everything and if the average joe thinks that they can get one of these green machines and still be able to lug around the stuff that they do AND save at the pump, great. It's the old having cake and eating it too syndrome but people respond to it, regards tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news ---Original Message--- From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 Sent: 02 Jul '06 08:22 Tallex, The market for 250 pound people is very much smaller in Europe than in US and I think that it is not a primary target for SMART cars. Do not only look at one, try it and you will be surprised on how spacious it is for 2 people and how well it transport/park for urban dwellers. I do however agree on the problems in US, it is little space for the oversized chip and snack packs, that seems to be the essentials for US commuters. I am not a small person 186 centimeter and 96 kilo (which is too much), but I fit well in a Smart. I did however not consider the image problem. Hakan At 09:15 02/07/2006, you wrote: That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car? Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like circus clowns stuffed into the seats. People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news ---Original Message--- From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for quite a while. Hakan At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and while really cool, I have a hard time imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, regards tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics
Re: [Biofuel] Zero Emissions Coal/Hydrogen Plant
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Zero Emissions Coal/Hydrogen Plant Plans call for the 275-megawatt plant to capture most of its emissions of carbon dioxide -- a greenhouse gas widely blamed for global warming -- and inject them permanently into underground reservoirs, a process called sequestration. Questions... Does sequestration on this scale really work? How do they plan to make the CO2 actually stay in the ground? A 275 megawatt ower plant would produce CO2 at the rate of tons per day. multiply that by 365 and then by the amount of years the plant is expected to run, say 20. We are now talking about tens of thousands of tons of CO2 swept under the carpet, (ok, pumped into the ground then) from just one relatively small power plant. So how long before it starts to leak out of the ground possibly hundreds of miles away from the original site? When if it gets noticed at all, will probably be blamed on natural phenomena. Personally I reckon that even if all that gas is permanently sequestered, we are still creating further problems for our future generations. Am I being over cynuical here? Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] What ever happened to sweet catalyst?
Some months ago, there was a real buzz about a new catalyst made from pyrolized sugar. Several people here on the list said they were conducting their own tests and experiments. And then..nothing. Did it work? Has anyone on the list actually had hands on success with this stuff? Or was it an embarrassing flop? Regards Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Lye in the UK
Hi, If anyone just starting up in the UK is looking for a supply of NaOH in small quantities.try BQ concentrated caustic soda. It is actually pretty pure, I just made a 1L test batch with new rapeseed oil. Wash test and methanol test are both spot on. Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] help needed
Hi Bruno, I also have managed to make red diesel using the foolproof method. The oil turned out to be GM soybean oil, very well used. it washed fine and the methanol test was fine. So I stuck it in the tank of my ford TransitFine So I would agree totally with Keith, if it washed ok and the methanol test was ok, then it most likely is good fuel.. Bob - Original Message - From: bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:56 PM Subject: [Biofuel] help needed I''m using foolprof process for about half of year with great succes.Recently I've got oil from diferent restaurant than usual and here comes the problem.After usual processing the oil was red as if it woud have full of glicerine in it.The glicerine did settled in usual amount (cca115 ml) and the wash test went throu normally.Nevertheless I've put in aditional methanol and lie and reprocess the oil.Eksept for some soap formation nothing happened.The BD stayed red.The restaurant owner told me,that he uses mashine for french fries that has the sistem for oil self cleaning. Any idea,anyone? Thanks for answer. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hello and Question
Our carbon stockpiles (coal, oil etc) have taken billions of years to build. Anything we now put back into the ground is merely replacing some of the deficit. Well that's my opinion anyway. Still a good idea all the same. Bob ive been thinking about this, and was wondering... if during harvesting the stalks, or supporting structure, or leaves, or whatever were left in the gardens to decompose, or were composted, wouldnt the unused material returned to the soil be a carbon reduction? it doesnt get put into the fuel and it collects and adds up over time. this could bee seen as a carbon stockpile right? - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hello and Question Joe, CO2 emissions should be the same. You wrote: If the CO2 reduction number of 78% attributed to biodiesel is a result of the crops it comes from, does the 78% number assume that no crops would have been grown on the land if it were not being used for fuel crops, or is the 78% in addition to whatever crops were previously growing there. No. The % reduction in CO2 refers to a reduction in Carbon that is not part of our short-term Carbon Cycle. Let me try to explain: All crops are fuel crops. Even wilderness meadows and forests are fuel crops. The energy captured during photosynthesis and stored in organic molecules will be released either as a result of metabolic activity of living things or as a result of combustion. The amount of Carbon released as CO2 will be the same as the amount taken in to construct the organic molecules (fuel). Whether or not the land is used for food crops, fuel crops, or left wild, there is a balance between the amount of carbon taken from the atmosphere and incorporated into organic matter and the amount released when that organic matter is burned. This balance is unaffected by whether the organic matter becomes fuel for cells, or for automobiles. Fuels that do not disrupt this balance are said to be Carbon Neutral. The carbon in fossil fuels has been sequestered away for tens of millions of years. Upon burning, the release of CO2 from fossil fuels has the potential to overwhelm mechanisms that maintain relatively stable atmospheric CO2 levels, and hence disrupt the balance between CO2 fixed into organic matter and CO2 released during burning. CO2 from fossil fuels is NOT carbon neutral. It is not part of the short-term Carbon Cycle. I think that there is no actual reduction in CO2 produced when biodiesel is burned vs. petro diesel. The significance is that with biofuels, we are not unleashing Carbon that has long been trapped beneath the earth as we do when we burn fossil fuels. Any %, whether 50%, 78%, or 90% emissions reduction depends on the amount of fossil fuel used to produce the biofuel. Inorganic fertilizers, large fossil fuel tractors/equipment, fossil fuel powered transportation of raw materials and finished product over great distances, all have an impact on the carbon neutrality of the biofuel produced. Ex: Using coal or oil or natural gas to distill ethanol compromises the benefits, and hence the overall % reduction in emissions. The wealth of information on small farms, small-scale local production, the use of appropriate technology, sustainability some of the things that make JTF and the biofuel mailing list so valuable. Be a thief. Take it all. Best Wishes Joe It's really quite an adventure Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Hello and Question Hi, I'm new to the list. My name is Joe; I've been interested in clean fuels for years and have become very focused on biodiesel - I drive a Prius and recently my wife purchased a Jetta TDI and we are interested in finding a cooperative in our area. Any Anne Arundel/PG County Maryulanders out there? I have a question. There is an oft-repeated statistic that the use of B100 reduces CO2 emissions approximately 78%, and from what I have read the vast majority of that reduction comes from the fact that the plants that biodiesel is derived from absorb CO2 as opposed to fossil fuels which do not do so, and that the actual tailpipe emissions are virtually the same as if the car was running regular diesel. Am I correct here? If so, I have been called to task on another online community to answer this question: If the CO2 reduction number of 78% attributed to biodiesel is a result of the crops it comes from, does the 78% number assume that no crops would have been grown on the land if it were not being used for fuel crops, or is the 78% in addition to whatever crops were
Re: [Biofuel] worst oil ever
Hi Joe, I have encountered a similar problem when trying to use up all the old rubbish in my workshop. I made an acid/base batch using the dregs from the bottom of my wvo settling tank, reclaimed methanol and some very heavily carbonated lye. The result was similar to your worst oil ever batch, an incomplete reaction. I did the methanol test in a graduated beaker. I used 50ml of the batch in 100ml methanol. 12 ml of oil settled out of the methanol after a few minutes. 12 ml from 50 = 24%. I reckoned that the additional lye needed would be 24% of what I would use to react a batch of virgin oil of the same size. I have no idea how to calculate the quantity of extra methanol needed, if any. but as I expected there to be a surplus left in the batch I just used some to make a very strong methoxide, mixed it in for an hour and got a complete reaction. It washed well, not perfect, but ok. But as I had made it out of stuff that some may have thrown away, I was still dead chuffed with it. Hope this helps Bob Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: [Biofuel] worst oil ever So the latest batch of oil I picked up took 11.45 ml of 0.1% KOH (85% purity) solution to get an indication. Adding this to my 5.8 g basic amount means a whopping 17.3 g per liter for a single stage process which is obviously out of the question. The oil was just black. Don't ask me how these people sleep at night offering food to patrons after frying it in that swill. So I did a acid base process. Wash test was crap so I did a further single stage with a little less than stoichiometric methanol amount and only 2 g KOH per litre since I expected there to be excess methanol and base still in the fuel (does anybody know how much I should expect it woud be?) I had a problem once in the past when I tried to reprocess partially reacted stuff and treating it as if it was virgin oil, the symptom was as if too much caustic was used and I assume this is because some catalyst was already present in the partially reacted fuel. I don't have a clue how to estimate how much it would be. I hope someone here has an idea. Anyways I got a further bunch of glycerin after that and the subsequent wash test was good. Doing acid-base and then a second single stage still used less caustic overall than the calculated amount that would have been required for a single stage (not that such terrible oil could even be done in single stage)I need better feed stock but it is interesting now that I am gaining experience, working with really difficult oil and seeing that this whole deal is something that can be tweaked and pushed one way or the other as the needs change. There's no substitute for experience. I feel like I have learned a lot. It feels like arriving somewhere and I feel like once again it is time to thank everyone on this list for all the support that this community brings. I think I have satisfied that itch and now I can let it go and just go in search of better feedstocks. I know at least that if it comes down to it I can deal with really crappy oil! As luck would have it I stopped for some frenchfries yesterday and the chip truck owner said I could have his waste and he changes oil very frequently. His chips are really good! Happy brewing Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BETTER MIXING BETTER BIODIESEL LESS ENERGY
Hi Jim, Is this your venturi you have been experimenting with? Tell me more. Bob - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:29 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BETTER MIXING BETTER BIODIESEL LESS ENERGY Wouldst it be cool if we had a way of doing these: IMPROVING THE SAFE HANDLING OF CHEMICALS? Injecting all our chemicals into our oil without pouring them in? During the process of injection, getting a better than 90% total mix? Keep the top 1 (where any unmixed Methoxil sits in your processor) mixed with the rest? Reclaim the methanol from the glycerin of the last batch right back into the fresh oil of a new batch? Reclaim the methanol from the Biodiesel before washing (allowing for a washing experience you may not have ever experienced)? Well I do have a way and I would like to share it, Joe Street and I have both been developing this technique along parallel lines of thought and it works so well, and it IMPROVES SAFETY. Better than that it cost's about 20 bucks to add to your processor. Reply if you want to know if I'm tooting bull or like Bob Allen says, can give the proof of the pudding - this car does not run on water. ;^) Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sweet catalyst continuous processes
- Original Message - From: Chris Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sweet catalyst continuous processes Hi Chris, Have you tried the sugar catalyst for yourself yet? Looking forward to reading your results. Who is making this catalyst in the UK? or alternatively do you have a make it at home recipe? I would love to give it a go. I am also working on a continuous processor down here in Northants, although it seems I am a few steps behind you. I would be happy to compare notes if you want. Right now on ebay uk there are a couple of very useful looking peristaltic pumps that could be used for metered feeding of methoxide and wvo into a continuous processor. Please keep me posted on your progress Regards Bob I have just got a small sample of the catalyst. I plan to make 2x 0.5 litre batches on my hotplate stirrer. 1 with lye as normal 1 with sugar. I will boil off the excess methanol and measure the quantities of byproduct produced to compare the lack of soap claims. I will do some wash tests to see how clean the diesel is. looks like instant coffee granules, it would be quite easy to enclose a quantity in a mesh cylinder and place inside one of the reactor pipes after the pump. Or even have a short length of pipe with a strainer at the downstream end filled with the stuff, just pump the mix over it repeatedly. Just unscrew the length of pipe and 'top up' when required. Maybe a piece of translucent hose could be incorporated to give a visual indication of you catalyst levels. As long as it could be removed to top it up, or have an access point upstream of the strainer to pour more in it should work fine. Chris.. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] JtF website?
Looks fine to me. What's up? Bob - Original Message - From: Michael Gian To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] JtF website? What happened to journeytoforever.org? Has it been hijacked? Michael ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat
Hi, I have also had excellent results from beef tallow using the acid/base two stage process. Although when washing, I thought i was getting loads of soap out even on the third or fourth washes. It turned out that my water was too cold, I was bringing the temperature of the BD down to below 15c and forming waxes. I then washed with lukewarm water and got perfect results, crystal clear wash water on the third wash. Hope this helps. Bob - Original Message - From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Animal Fat I have processed 100% virgin beef tallow fat with the 2 stage base - base process with great sucess. I used 200 ml methanol / liter fat and 6.7 g NaOH Processed for 2 x 2hours at 58 - 60 deg C. That batched washed better and easier then any other WVO I had dealt with The only drawback is cold weather. will crystalize around 15 deg C Otherwise it is great fuel with a light yellow color like the fuel from virgin rapeseed oil. good luck with it. Andrew Animal fat (tallow) has a different chemical make-up than vegetable oil. You need to do much more purification. You get soap (glycerin) like results with vegetable oil, just not as much. I think that if you use a stronger caustic agent to separate mixture components, you may have more success. Randall ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Stand up and be counted
Just wondering how many UK home brewers are on this mailing list. Please make yourselves known, especially if you are interested in forming a buyers cooperative to get bulk discounts on chemicals, plant, feedstock, glycerol disposal etc. I am even volunteering to do most of the donkey work. Cheers Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11
Hi just went to check this movie out and got a warning that it could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother intervention that other threads have warned about?I wonder? Bob - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job toget thedisgusting thugsout of office and intoprison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. al.)ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock Dear friends, As one who has worked as a language interpreter for presidents and other dignitaries at the highest levels of government, I am deeply committed to strengthening democracy and to building a brighter future for all of us. I and many others in the research network in which I am involved have found that a key difficulty we face in building a better world is the resistance of many people to looking at some of the darker aspects of what is going both in the world and inside of ourselves. I invite you to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the darker aspects of life, we only give them room to grow even darker and more threatening. By choosing to pull back the veil and look directly into the darkness, by choosing to face both our individual and collective fears and working to transform them, we can improve not only our own lives, but our entire world. I present the information below out of a desire to invite all of us draw back the veils and awaken to the deeper potential that lies within all of us to play an important role in transforming our world into a more caring, supportive place to live. If you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to open to a crucial piece of what is going on behind the veil by watching the most empowering documentary on 9/11 that I've ever seen. Titled "Loose Change," this highly revealing film is available free on Google Video at the link below. If you have limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough going straight to the link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of this highly revealing documentary. The reliable information provided serves as a wake-up call for us all to come together in building a better world. MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 - Loose Change (82 minutes) Though it ranks as far and above the best documentary on 9/11 I've seen, "Loose Change" is not enjoyable to watch. Many people find their stomach turning and their mind saying "is this true" or "how can this be?" The documentary is meant to be disturbing, yet it is equally designed to inspire us to action. Once we open to seeing the darkness by educating ourselves, we begin to take power back into our own hands both individually and collectively, and can then work together to create more balance and harmony in our world. snip With gratitude and very best wishes,Fred Burks for the MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be WantToKnow.info TeamFormer language interpreter for Presidents Bush and Clinton ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids
Try it, then you can tell us. Lol. But seriously though, I would guess that the extra 2% is most likely either water or a gelling agent to make it thicker and stickier. Water will give you some extra soap in your wash, not sure what a gelling agent might do. I would suggest investing your two dollars in a bottle of this stuff and going back to the one litre test batch stage to see how it works. Regards, Bob - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:40 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sulphuric acids in the foolproof method, as defined on the JTF web site, it is stated to use 95% sulphuric acid. This is hard to get these days for an individual and somewhat costly. however there is an old fashioned drain cleaner whose MSDS reports is 93% sulphuric acid. oddly enough anybody can buy gallons with no problem. Does anybody know if this slightly less percentage will work? r. Allison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the end of big biodiesel?
anyone know how a catalytic cracker works? If they are cheaper to run than than the FAME system we all know and love, why aren't we building them instead? Regards Bob - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the end of big biodiesel? So why is no-one doing this already? There must be some underutilised refineries around? regards Doug On Thursday 06 April 2006 3:59, bob allen wrote: I heard a presentation from a researcher at NREL (Pachecko?)at a biomass conference in Little Rock, Arkansas last week. He basically predicted the death of big biodiesel only a few years beyond peak oil. The story goes like this: when global production of crude oil starts to fall significantly, and crude supplies in the us start to fall, the fossil refineries will turn to alternative feedstocks to keep their big catalytic crackers busy. Easier than coal liquids will be the supplementation with lipids. Big oil will buy up every drop of available fat and oil, blend it with crude oil and run it through the refineries. Because large scale catalytic cracking is cheaper than FAME synthesis, they can undercut the price, and drive biodiesel out of the market. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] off-topic [Hydroponic gardening]
I was about to say something on similar lines, LOL, good luck - Original Message - From: Gary L. Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] off-topic [Hydroponic gardening] I've got some really good dvd's on how to grow top quality marijuana hydroponically. Other than that... sorry. On 5 Apr 2006, at 06:43, Evergreen Solutions wrote: Just wondering if anyone out there is into hydroponics. I'm getting more into it myself, hoping to find a mentor w/ a little more experience. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Speeding up the acid/base process
Hi all, Time to report on my acid /base progress, and then ask for advice from more experienced list members. I have made several batches of very good Bd from all manner of feedstocks, by following Aleks Kac's foolproof process to the letter. But being the impetuous impatient man that I am, I find the process takes far too long. I want to start experimenting to try and speed up the process, but there is one piece of information that still eludes me. How can you tell if the acid phase is complete? I can't move forward unless I can verify my results. Has anyone on the list devised a test to show that the acid phase is complete? Regards Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A Carbon Cloud Hangs Over Green Fuel
Just one question on the environmental sustainability of these plants. How much ethanol do they produce for your 300 tonnes of coal? Bob - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A Carbon Cloud Hangs Over Green Fuel I am not surprised at all, that coal is going to be a preferred choice for ethanol distillation. It is a very logical choice for US sustainability, but maybe not for the environment sustainability. The reasons are, 1. US have around a third of the worlds coal reserves. 2. US is running out of Natural Gas, wether it is from US, Canada or Mexico. 3. US have little resources of NG ships or terminals. 4. It is probably the easiest process to liquidize the coal reserves. 5. Using oil to distill ethanol is not efficient nor sustainable. The interest of using ethanol is probably not based on environmental aspects, but rather to lessen the oil dependence. To use the supporters of ethanol as clean fuel, is rater a marketing byproduct than a goal. Maybe you could call this ethanol, distilled with coal, dirty ethanol. It will however lessen the oil dependence, based on an abundant domestic energy resource. Hakan At 11:07 27/03/2006, you wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/33969/ A Carbon Cloud Hangs Over Green Fuel By Mark Clayton, Christian Science Monitor. Posted March 25, 2006. An Iowa corn refinery, open since December, uses 300 tons of coal a day to make ethanol. So just how green can it be? Late last year in Goldfield, Iowa, a refinery began pumping out a stream of ethanol, which supporters call the clean, renewable fuel of the future. There's just one twist: The plant is burning 300 tons of coal a day to turn corn into ethanol -- the first US plant of its kind to use coal instead of cleaner natural gas. An hour south of Goldfield, another coal-fired ethanol plant is under construction in Nevada, Iowa. At least three other such refineries are being built in Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota. The trend, which is expected to continue, has left even some ethanol boosters scratching their heads. Should coal become a standard for 30 to 40 ethanol plants under construction -- and 150 others on the drawing boards -- it would undermine the environmental reasoning for switching to ethanol in the first place, environmentalists say. If the biofuels industry is going to depend on coal, and these conversion plants release their CO2 to the air, it could undo the global warming benefits of using ethanol, says David Hawkins, climate director for the Natural Resources Defense Council in Washington. The reason for the shift is purely economic. Natural gas has long been the ethanol industry's fuel of choice. But with natural gas prices soaring, talk of coal power for new ethanol plants and retrofitting existing refineries for coal is growing, observers say. It just made great economic sense to use coal, says Brad Davis, general manager of the Gold-Eagle Cooperative that manages the Corn LP plant, which is farmer and investor owned. Clean coal technology, he adds, helps the Goldfield refinery easily meet pollution limits -- and coal power saves millions in fuel costs. Yet even the nearly clear vapor from the refinery contains as much as double the carbon emissions of a refinery using natural gas, climate experts say. So if coal-fired ethanol catches on, is it still the clean, renewable fuel the state's favorite son, Sen. Tom Harkin likes to call it? Such questions arrive amid boom times for America's ethanol industry. With 97 ethanol refineries pumping out some 4 billion gallons of ethanol, the industry expects to double over the next six years by adding another 4.4 billion gallons of capacity per year. Tax breaks as well as concerns about energy security, the environment, and higher gasoline prices are all driving ethanol forward. The Goldfield refinery, and the other four coal-fired ethanol plants under construction are called dry mill operations, because of the process they use. The industry has in the past used coal in a few much larger wet mill operations that produce ethanol and a raft of other products. But dry mills are the wave of the future, industry experts say. It's their shift to coal that's causing the concern. More plants slated for Midwest, West Scores of these new ethanol refineries are expected to be built across the Midwest and West by the end of the decade, and many could soon be burning coal in some form to turn corn into ethanol, industry analysts say. It's very likely that coal will be the fuel of choice for most of these new ethanol plants, says Robert McIlvaine, president of a Northfield, Ill., information services company that has compiled a database of nearly 200 ethanol plants now under construction or in planning and development. If all 190 plants on Mr. McIlvaine's list were built and used coal, motorists would not
Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO
Nor sure about lard, but watch out for sugar in your feedstock. This is an old favourite additive for sabotaging an engine. Reg'ds Bob - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO Hi All Don't donut shops use LARD that is SOLID at room temp? Isn't that lard full of sugar? Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i am just starting myself, i am thinking towards donut shops. they usually fry no meats in their veg oil and would have less fats.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO
It leaves a horrid toffee like deposit on your valves , pistons, rings and every other part that comes into contact with the fuel. When your piston rings are glued into their grooves, the sugar deposits will find their way into your engine oil where they act as an abrasive on all your bearing surfaces. I have actually witnessed 2lbs of sugar poured into a guys tank, his engine was irreparably damaged within 50 miles - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO What exactly would sugar do to an engine? The worst I can think of is clogging some filters or increasing carbon deposits. Zeke On 3/22/06, Bob Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nor sure about lard, but watch out for sugar in your feedstock. This is an old favourite additive for sabotaging an engine. Reg'ds Bob - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO Hi All Don't donut shops use LARD that is SOLID at room temp? Isn't that lard full of sugar? Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i am just starting myself, i am thinking towards donut shops. they usually fry no meats in their veg oil and would have less fats. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO
Yep, this was a petrol engine, maybe a diesel would be more resilient - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO Bob Carr wrote: It leaves a horrid toffee like deposit on your valves , pistons, rings and every other part that comes into contact with the fuel. When your piston rings are glued into their grooves, the sugar deposits will find their way into your engine oil where they act as an abrasive on all your bearing surfaces. I have actually witnessed 2lbs of sugar poured into a guys tank, his engine was irreparably damaged within 50 miles Was this a gas or diesel engine? I'd think the diesel would be far harder to destroy this way because there's normally a large excess of oxygen available for the combustion of the sugar. With a gas engine running somewhere around a stoiciometric fuel/air ratio having extra carbon would lead to the heavy deposits you describe. It would be interesting if it's as bad in diesels. --- David - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO What exactly would sugar do to an engine? The worst I can think of is clogging some filters or increasing carbon deposits. Zeke On 3/22/06, Bob Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nor sure about lard, but watch out for sugar in your feedstock. This is an old favourite additive for sabotaging an engine. Reg'ds Bob - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO Hi All Don't donut shops use LARD that is SOLID at room temp? Isn't that lard full of sugar? Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i am just starting myself, i am thinking towards donut shops. they usually fry no meats in their veg oil and would have less fats. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Have anyone used this machine?
Hi Jon, There is a lot of info on the JtF site about these processors. The general consensus seems to be that you can make a far better processor yourself for less than 10% of the cost of a fuelmeister. Also the fuelmaister allegedly doesn't make very good fuel. Personally I would steer well clear, but that's just my opinion. Regards Bob - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:57 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Have anyone used this machine? I have just received a catalog from Hardy Diesel and I was looking at the "FuelMeister Personal Biodiesel Processors" It cost about 3K. Has anyone used this one and if so would you recommend it? Thanks, Jon Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: SE UK Methanol supply query
Hi Clive, Try Performance Chemicals Ltd They will supply methanol from 25L up but delivery is still a bit steep for small orders. I am thinking of forming a buyers cooperative for small producers in the UK, any interested parties please contact me. Regards Bob - Original Message - From: Clive Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: SE UK Methanol supply query -- Forwarded message -- From: Clive Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Feb 24, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Methane supply To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Hi, I am new to biofuels and am trying to get going with biodiesel in the southern UK. I am having trouble finding a supply of Methanol, with it being a hazardous substance delivery can be costly. Does anyone else in the southern counties have a supplier that can be reccomended? Thanks. Regards, Clive Marks. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
