Re: [biofuel] Free energy?
Have followed progress on this for some time now http://www.lutec.com.au/ - Original Message - From: James Field Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:27:41 +0100 (BST) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Free energy? Does anyone know much about free energy? Theres a site however it doesn't go into enough detail. http://jnaudin.free.fr/ If anyone knows anything that could help me, or a better site to look then I'd be much abliged. -James - Relive the FIFA World Cup goals with exclusive video highlights! http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- __ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ztNCyD/zDLEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Virus warning help
Try and copy jdbgmgr.exe from someone elses computer and paste it back into your windows. If you have it sent to you as an attachment from someone in an e mail they will have to zip it to send it to you BRBR- Original Message -BRFrom: Ani BRDate: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:20:39 +1000BRTo: LINDY WHITNEY , Cheryl Whitney , Whitney, AC Anthony , westprint , Jan Warnqvist , Whitney Vicki , , Glenn Turner , , de Winne Terry , T.Ling , Oppermann Tricia Steve , Stuart Smith , secretary , scudamore , Darren Sanford , Rachel Steven Roberts , Suzanne Robb , Neil Raslan , Bob Purdon , EVANS PHIL , Eddie Pang , Jason Palmer , Oppermann, Stephen \(CALBBAY\) , Oppermann , Business North , Mark McGuire , Peter Maynard , Peter Maynard , Paul Martin , LROC , Sue Leavey , ZOLEZZI LARRY , Robert A. King , Kelly King , Chris Vanessa Joret , , Rod Kerry Grice , Daly Greg , graves , Lyndon Gabites , Ann Kerry Edge , Denise DeBattista , Ruth Dadson , Ken Clark , Reynolds Carne , Keith Calvert , STEWART SILVER KING BURNS , Blacklow, Scott , , [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tas. Gov. Au , NORMAN Anthony , Annabel , Whitney Ani , Royce Aldred , Keith Addison , ROCKMOOR 4WD , Denita 11 BRSubject: [biofuel] Fw: Virus warningBRBRBRContent-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCIIBRMy apologies to anyone who acted on the previous email. Guess you'll have to do what I'm doing reinstalling windows.BRBRBR- Original Message - BRFrom: Murray Gillian Southwell BRTo: Ani BRSent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:52 PMBRSubject: Re: Virus warningBRBRBRHi Ani - Sorry to bring this to your attention, but jdbgmgr.exe appears to be a Microsoft program that helps internet explorer handle java scrips! The Virus is in fact the email telling you to delete a useful windows component ;-)BRRegards MurrayBRBRBR - Original Message - BR From: Business North BR To: Business North BR Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:30 PMBR Subject: Fw: Virus warningBRBRBRBR Hi allBR we received this so are doing the right thing!BR . BRBR I have just had a message warning us that we may have a sleeper virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) infecting our address book. On checking we did indeed find it.BRBR BRBR This virus is not detected by normal antivirus software like McAfee or Norton. It stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system. The virus is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book, wether or not you sent e-mails to your contacts.BRBR BRBR I checked, found and deleted it. Now it is your turn!!!BRBR BRBR 1. Go to Start, Find or Search OptionBRBR 2. In the Files/Folder option , write the name jdbgmgr.exeBRBR 3. Be sure to search in your C: driveBRBR 4. Clickfind nowBRBR 5. The virus has a little bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe - DO NOT OPEN IT!!BRBR 6. Right click and delete it (it will then go to the recycle bin)BRBR 7. Go to the recycle bin and delete it there as well, or empty the binBRBR BRBR IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, LIKE I DID, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK WITH THESE INSTRUCTIONS.BRBR Emeritus Professor Nigel and Mrs Mandy ForteathBR B.A., Ph.D., F.T.S.E., F.R.E.S., M.I.Biol., C.Biol.BR Omlas Pty LtdBR ABN: 17 080 319 884BR 27 Gorge RoadBR TREVALLYN Tasmania 7250BR Ph/Fax: (03) 6331 7905BR Web page: www.hippa-seahorse.comBRBRBRBR[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]BRBRBRYahoo! Groups SponsorBRADVERTISEMENTBRBRHeight: 4567 ft 01234567891011 inBRWeight: BRSex: F MBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBiofuel at Journey to Forever:BRhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBRBRBiofuels list archives:BRhttp://archive.nnytech.net/BRBRPlease do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address.BRTo unsubscribe, send an email to:BR[EMAIL PROTECTED] BRBRYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] GET 113 To 138 MPG.
I think the movie Insider with Russel Crow was about this sort of thing -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] another method maybe
What would be the drawbacks of using a detergent or a solvent to reduce the viscosity of SVO before either using it straight or heating to lower it further. Normal deisel and petrol have detergents in them dont they? -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Win a ski trip! http://www.nowcode.com/register.asp?affiliate=1net2phone3a Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hydrogen plans DIY
If there are any DIYers out there that want to attempt a miracle, the plans for a hydrogen car are at the link below. Please post back with views. Link www.keelynet.com -Original Message- From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:54:02 -0600 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel Kirk wrote: Well a horse is a horse of course of course :) and nobody can talk to a horse of course unless of course. energy used ÷ is converted to mechanical work rather than heat if so desired, MH. As an example Shuman and Boys built a 50 horsepower solar powered water pumping plant on the bank of the Nile in 1902. See Mark's Handbook for Mechanical Engineers for a complete description--but you will have to find a Mark's published prior to WWII. Engineers don't make the decisions, business men do. Industry will get there when My apologies to Kirk, the original author, for any confusion. -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJurl=http://www.getpennytalk.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrogen powered cars - am I missing something?
You might get some answers here. Found it a while ago while looking for other ways to power engines. First topic is the previously mentioned skateboard car with pictures. -Original Message- From: jmwelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:57:43 - To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] hydrogen powered cars - am I missing something? I always like to post those tough chemistry questions since I am a chemistry major in college right now, and the current one is one I believe I asked a while back, but got no response. In a car powered by a fuel cell where hydrogen is essentially the main fuel source, or solely the fuel source, what is used to burn it? It may sound like a dumb question, but the atmosphere is 80% nitrogen. If air was used to burn hydrogen, then some of that hydrogen would result in ammonia being produced. Along with the desirable water. Of course, if the oxygen used to burn were generated through hydrolysis there wouldn't be a problem there, or if the hydrogen was used in such a way that it never really escaped the engine and went back into storage as fuel (hydrolyze in some way to return it to free hydrogen gas). It seems to me that you would have to haul oxygen tanks with you, and the emissions from such a vehicle, if not burning hydrogen with pure oxygen, would have to be treated with a catalytic converter, so in the end, you've come full circle. I am not sure if ammonia and oxygen would revert to water and nitrogen gas if sent through a catalytic converter. Any ideas? Or am I totally off on my reasoning here? JEFF -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJurl=http://www.getpennytalk.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Access Your PC from Anywhere Check Email Transfer files - Free Download http://us.click.yahoo.com/_WCYWA/3XkDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrogen powered cars - link to url
Sorry missed the link http://www.hfcletter.com/ -Original Message- From: Brian Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:18:46 +0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] hydrogen powered cars - am I missing something? You might get some answers here. Found it a while ago while looking for other ways to power engines. First topic is the previously mentioned skateboard car with pictures. -Original Message- From: jmwelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:57:43 - To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] hydrogen powered cars - am I missing something? I always like to post those tough chemistry questions since I am a chemistry major in college right now, and the current one is one I believe I asked a while back, but got no response. In a car powered by a fuel cell where hydrogen is essentially the main fuel source, or solely the fuel source, what is used to burn it? It may sound like a dumb question, but the atmosphere is 80% nitrogen. If air was used to burn hydrogen, then some of that hydrogen would result in ammonia being produced. Along with the desirable water. Of course, if the oxygen used to burn were generated through hydrolysis there wouldn't be a problem there, or if the hydrogen was used in such a way that it never really escaped the engine and went back into storage as fuel (hydrolyze in some way to return it to free hydrogen gas). It seems to me that you would have to haul oxygen tanks with you, and the emissions from such a vehicle, if not burning hydrogen with pure oxygen, would have to be treated with a catalytic converter, so in the end, you've come full circle. I am not sure if ammonia and oxygen would revert to water and nitrogen gas if sent through a catalytic converter. Any ideas? Or am I totally off on my reasoning here? JEFF -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJurl=http://www.getpennytalk.com -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJurl=http://www.getpennytalk.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Access Your PC from Anywhere Check Email Transfer files - Free Download http://us.click.yahoo.com/_WCYWA/3XkDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Pool Filters for WVO/alternatives
I know this may sound stupid but I was told of a method of filtration that uses layers of tissue paper as the filter medium. It is not for the speedy. The Oil on the tissue stops it breaking up. The method involved gravity of the oil mass to filter through the tissue layers which may be an inexpensive first filter requiring no energy to use. The larger the area of paper the faster the filtation. The method was shown on TV as a way of re-using cooking oil. The resultant oil was said to be clear and particle free.A small amount of heat may speed up the filtration. -Original Message- From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:52:23 -0800 (PST) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Pool Filters for WVO/alternatives Ken, I also looked at those commercial fryer filtration units and besides being very expensive did not filter down to the 5 microns I wanted for running WVO/SVO in my converted diesel. I have just sent Keith a schematic of the filtration unit I came up over the last 6 months which I assume he will post as he has my other contributions. The fully automated backflush operation is new and so I am trying to get a few more weeks on it to determine if there are any problems with it. I believe it can be assembled for around $US120 or less in its' simplest form but it does not approach 30 gal/minute. More like 30 gal/hr. maximum...600gal+/day.Of course the major limiting factor is the number of filters/surface area of filter material. I imagine that if one did not need SVO filtered to 5 microns it would also increase capacity dramatically. One could easily and inexpensively add more parallel filters to step up the capacity of my design as well. I have also been experimenting with a prefilter module that uses water to remove 95% of the solids from WVO which would dramatically increase the filtering capacity of this unit. In addition I have been developing a design for a continuous process centrifugal filter that shows promise not only in removing solid particles but dewatering and removing hydrogenated oils and waxes/tallows from WVO. I also may have stumbled into a simple way to accelerate stratification of WVO contaminants/components that might work for accelerating the stratification of Biodiesel/glycerin. I always look for the simplest most inexpensive way to accomplish my goal and this often involves assembling my devices from off the shelf or salvaged components rather than fabricating them from scratch. Scottish genes are a powerful influence. Dana --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody out there ever used a swimming pool or spa filter to clean used fryer oil? I've been looking at the fryer oil filtration systems that restaurants use, and they seem awfully expensive for what you get (like $1500-1800 USD for a new one with only a 30-liter capacity!) I can get a brand-new pool filter system, based on diatomaceous earth (so you could also add an FFA-removing filter powder), with a throughput of 30 gal per minute (!!) for under $500. You might not want to get the oil real hot (the guy said 120 F would be fine), but it seems like it might be a great system. Any thoughts? __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJurl=http://www.getpennytalk.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Waste Oil Burner/Stove Plans theromocoupling
Some of the problems with the burner going out and oil spillage might be solved with the use of a solenoid valve and thermocoupling in the supply line, similar to a gas boiler where the supply line is open only while there is a flame acting on the thermocouple and if the flame goes out the solenoid shuts and the oil is shut off. -Original Message- From: joewk2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:01:55 - To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Waste Oil Burner/Stove Plans I have a few web references and comments that interested waste oil participants may want to look at regarding homebrew or other waste oil burners. Commercial waste oil burners are certainly available. I'll leave this to the search engines if anyone is in the market. (A quick inspection on my part indicates that the smaller domestic sized (50K Btu/hr) Lanair machine that I would favor is no longer available. Lanair now seems to want to concentrate on the automotive market.) Steve Spence's site www.webconx.com is probably the best of the homebrew sites. Now not an active link at the Webconx site but still available at http://www.webconx.com/oil_burner.htm was a gut level waste oil burning plan a la Dennis Park ceramic kiln practice. This methodology is/was a simple method whereby waste oil is simply allowed to drip onto an inclined, heated plate or louver exposed to the heat of the fire and is problematical in both it's fire danger (what if the fire goes out?) and in starting up (which is usually done with a wood or propane fire.) Airflow/fuelflow could be problematical as well. Steve's webconx site references the classic Mother Earth News #5 article originally written for Popular Science Magazine at www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm This article contains a couple of errors. The MEN reference for the PS issue should be January 1962 p. 78. The vanes in the burner throat should be placed at 45 degrees, a typo which shows in both the MEN reprint AND the PS original article. The original PS article shows a detailed pix showing the vanes mounted at 45 degrees.) This stove has a downside in that it is electrically powered by a variable speed blower and air/fuel proportion is totally manual. One would be constantly trying to minimise airflow to enhance burning efficiency and there would always be the question of too little or too much air. Also, what if the fire should for some reason somehow go out. Not a stove to be left unattended. Steve includes the classic Mother Earth News #53 article which is a stove built from a discarded water heater at http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.ht ml. Similar to the MEN#5 plan, this plan is a rework of a Popular Mechanics Magazine article from October 1941. It's a nice plan in that outside electrical power is not required. Not necessarily a stove to be left unattended but at least if your supply reservoir is of less volume than the bottom of the heater up to the inspection door, you won't have oil mess on the floor should the fire go out. The plan suffers a bit from the same airflow/fuelflow problems as the others. A person I have talked to who uses this stove is incorporating a device to heat his oil to a constant temperature to control drip flowrate and claims no need for draft adjustment. While I initially had my doubts about clean burning this same person reports that the stove burns odor and smoke free when it is hot and burning at a constant rate. He reports some problems with the stove going out when the oil flow is at low flow rates. I myself have this stove under construction currently and while it isn't a hot project (literally) I will eventually get it done and give it a try. I'm trying to anticipate problems with the design (such as the supply reservoir issue) and incorporate some improvements which I'll eventually report back on. Steve's reference to the Babington Burner at www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/babington/default.htm are interesting and a design methodology I might eventually try. It does suffer some from the airflow/oilflow syndrome as all of these do but I can see that using a commercial burner/blower and maintaining a constant oilflow/compressed air pressure, this design might be brought to consistant, repeatable performance. Still not a burner you would want to walk away from and leave unattended. There are some other homebrew plans available on the `net for those willing to pay some money. Seyroche has plans at http://www.seyroche.com/products/wasteoil.htm which look interesting. At only $8, I might want to try there first. No details are shown, however, and it might be a plan which is already in the common domain. . Three more plans are available for $15 at http://www.autodidactics.com/energy.htm
[biofuel] Other oils
Would a car run on hydraulic oil waste from industry machine oil changes. This oil also goes to waste. I dont think it has as many additives as engine oils and is more viscous. -Original Message- From: Weston Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:21:12 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] emails Please remove me from this discussion group. I do not have time to keep up with the 10-20 emails/day. Thanks, Weston Miller [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJurl=http://www.getpennytalk.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
