Re: [Biofuel] California Emissions
californiaia has not test for auto or pickuppp emissiaonss for diesel,, From: Greg Ocnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] California Emissions Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:19:32 -0500 I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty diesel. I live in Massachusetts and they do not sell diesel cars any more because of the high standard of emissions. I would have to go out of state to buy this Jeep. These vehicles must pass an emissions test every other year. Mind you, you can buy a full size pickup with a diesel and they have a different standard to use. Would the use of 20% biodiesel let this vehicle pass this California emissions test? What are these people looking at that makes it fail emissions. What can I do about it? Greg O. In MA. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery from fuel stock?
what the boilling point of diesel is but itw way below the boiling point of water at 212,, buck From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery from fuel stock? Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:31:32 -0800 Hi Derick, I too am curios about this, but isnt 275 deg F on the edge of the envelope Bio? I would like to try this as well but instead use a vacume to keep the temp down. how much ethanol did you recover? That alone may make it worth while. Jim Derick Giorchino wrote: I have pondering this for some time but figured I should get some success with making fuel first. Since alcohol is added from time to time to storage tanks so it will mix with the water and thus the blended alcohol water mixes with the fuel. This being the said, I wondered if the wash could be shortened or less of a waste problem by distilling the methanol out of the finished product before washing. I have just finished a 120 liter batch I pulled off 1 liter of fuel stock ¸ I put in a old pressure cooker with the steam vent replaced with a hose barb and connected it to my evaporator. Turned the flame on and heated to 275 deg F for 10 minutes or so. Let it cool a bit and pored it into a pet bottle added the wash water shook it hard it separated in just a few minutes. The other half was just put in a pet bottle and wash water was added and shook it hard although it is separating not even close to the same speed as the demethanoled batch. Is there any problem with this process? I wouldnât ask but I canât find anything in the archives. Thanks Derick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the end of suburbia
thisss buck,, if u addd a T betweenn your exicssting valv and the burner, u can then add your bio tank with itss vlavle in the serviceee, use either tnank themn, or shut them both off, or addd T and vavlee and union,, then bio tank with its dedidcated vavlve, then u can remove the bio tank ro chancge it without stioping the use of regualrr heating jfuell,,, routine is this,,, the T,, then valve, then union,, thenvalve,, then biotank,,, all this added to the line after uur alreaddy exixting vavlvve between valve and burner buck, From: Bede [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the end of suburbia Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:50:11 +1300 http://www.mininova.org/tor/51094 a very good movie... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the end of suburbia
i can senddd schematiic in paint if this is confusling, buck thisss buck,, if u addd a T betweenn your exicssting valv and the burner, u can then add your bio tank with itss vlavle in the serviceee, use either tnank themn, or shut them both off, or addd T and vavlee and union,, then bio tank with its dedidcated vavlve, then u can remove the bio tank ro chancge it without stioping the use of regualrr heating jfuell,,, routine is this,,, the T,, then valve, then union,, thenvalve,, then biotank,,, all this added to the line after uur alreaddy exixting vavlvve between valve and burner buck, From: Bede [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the end of suburbia Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:50:11 +1300 http://www.mininova.org/tor/51094 a very good movie... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One
iff u examiane the seller satament, u can see thattt he is advertiisiang an autoo that he exapects not t be able to run,,, if he found out diffeanernt, then it is plalinly worth more,,, you are dealin with a man who is plainly dishonest to his fouandation, no statemeant can be taken at face valuee froam this kind of person.. no action to sell is beneath hisss digniaty,, he will sell what is nottt his, will tell aany sstoyry, best nooot ot conduct any transactoin with this kind of person,,, usually one way or anaoahter , u will alwaysss be sorry,, buck From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Starting at Square One Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:41:46 -0700 I asked him if I could pull my car up and at least see if it would still crank, or at least turn over. Well, you can, but if it still runs it's worth more and I'm gonna charge you more for it. Geesh.He's tryin to sell a car that he doesn't even know whether it runs or not? What a lazy bastard. I would expect to pay between $2,500 and $5,000 here for an older merc in running condition. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] diesennn engine to a gasolians car,
sorrry i dledeted the messagee beafore i realized i wanted to post sorry,,, for the personn wanting toput a dieslel enginee in a galsoline auto,, u must clean the gasoline tank to a farethee well and have it sealedd inside with diesel ressistant sealant the gas gas tank are zinc plated galvanized,, the ideisel and tiny amaounts of water make zinc saltsss whichh is carrieadn into the fuel injectaion system and will destraoyu it,buck _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ö get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] diesennn engine to a gasolians car,
butt starteddd converswions beforeee i coulold legally drivee, chevy into ford,,, ford flathead into willlys then oldss to ford, etc etc, then diesel,, 262 alilisss chalmers(buda) into ford pu,,, detraoit diesel to ford,chevy , ihc, dodge. miliatray carerr then ga and steam turbialne millwriahgt then fouar years ago,, arrest andd straoke,, cardailc arrestt, and straoke, and i do the compaurter and watach u guys,,, yeeehaaa,, buck, From: Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] diesennn engine to a gasolians car, Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:02:54 -0400 Hi Buck, Out of curiosity, where are you from? What are your experiences with automobiles? Take care, Ken On 10/29/05, Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorrry i dledeted the messagee beafore i realized i wanted to post sorry,,, for the personn wanting toput a dieslel enginee in a galsoline auto,, u must clean the gasoline tank to a farethee well and have it sealedd inside with diesel ressistant sealant the gas gas tank are zinc plated galvanized,, the ideisel and tiny amaounts of water make zinc saltsss whichh is carrieadn into the fuel injectaion system and will destraoyu it,buck _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ö get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] diesennn engine to a gasolians car,ZXX
that alriaahgt,, thank yuour very much,,, i odnt mind, From: Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] diesennn engine to a gasolians car, Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:14:36 -0400 On 10/29/05, Gary Moro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just like Ken, I don't know you either Buck. However reading your message has put a big smile on my face with admiration for your life full of experience and your determination to push on regardless. Thanks for putting the spark back in my day. More power to you mate - greets from down under the equator. :-) Regz, Gary I had intended for the discussion to be private. I'm sorry Buck. On the upside though, at least you were an inspiration to more than just myself. Take care, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Measuring tools..XX.
search vwr supply, buck From: Michael Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Measuring tools... Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:33:28 -0400 Any one have any idea's where i can go to look for measuring devices in new england. I'd rather not get beaker etc on line. I'm thinking craft stores but it hasn't worked out so well so far. Mike Luich ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Measuring tools..XX.
From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Measuring tools..XX. Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:30:51 -0700 you cann do coleparmer, or vanwater and rogersss, catalongs are easy,, or search vwr supply, buck From: Michael Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Measuring tools... Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:33:28 -0400 Any one have any idea's where i can go to look for measuring devices in new england. I'd rather not get beaker etc on line. I'm thinking craft stores but it hasn't worked out so well so far. Mike Luich ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] question regarding gas fired water heaters?
its galsss and beat the heack out of it wiaht something like a piece of rebar, and why woulddd you want to take it out, as its inert, buck, _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] question regarding gas fired water heaters?
its same makeup as old ceramic cookkkpot, glasss over steel, any denting poppps the glass o but why would u buck, _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ö get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] question regarding gas fired water heaters?
make it burn hotter and burnn the whole thaing,, if it gets hot enough to melt theee gla it will slump to the bottoam and sit there, buck,. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] question regarding gas fired water heaters? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:03:08 +0900 Hi Buck, Ray, Mike and all its galsss and beat the heack out of it wiaht something like a piece of rebar, and why woulddd you want to take it out, as its inert, buck, its same makeup as old ceramic cookkkpot, glasss over steel, any denting poppps the glass o but why would u buck, Because it's going to get real hot! Can anyone tell me 1) what the lining inside a natural gas fired water heater tank is made of, and 2) are there any known ways of removing it without damaging the tank beneath? I am in the very early stages of helping a neighbor build a waste oil heater. He has a surplus of these tanks, but very little in the way of money. Since I have already built one, and it is still working just fine I agreed to help him build his. Is that a Mother Earth News heater Mike? This one: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater If so, which design did you/will you use? - the original, with no power required, or the new-fangled one some of us have been working on, with a forced air supply? It's said the original design does not burn hot enough for safe and clean combustion of modern lube oil, which has much higher burning temps than it did 25 years ago when the heater was designed. It seems though that some people who've built them don't agree with that, they find it works just fine. What do you think? I don't know about this because we've never tried it with waste lube oil. We have one built to the original design, here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me7.html Journey to Forever's Waste Oil Heater But we've only ever used it with WVO, as we'd intended, and it works fine. We're using it right now. It makes all the difference to keeping this old house warm. It doesn't burn hot enough for clean combustion of the glycerin by-product from making biodiesel though - it does burn it, but it quickly gets gunged up. This is why we've been working on the forced-air design. We should be testing it soon. Best wishes Keith All these plans are on temporary hold though because neither of us genius's knew that these tanks were lined. Oh well, plenty of time for more planning and perhaps one more beer. Any info or guidance will be greatly appreciated. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] nissan diesel XXX
of the 280Z gas engine,, inline bosch pump,, its a fine enginee, buck _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] nissan dieselZZZld28
210 gas four, charysler bout the design and offeredd it with changes, a fe as the cn33 chrysselr nissan, whiach was put in the internatiaonal scout II, at 196 cu inches and about 65 horsepowarers, then turboeadd at 96 horsepowerr, and 106 horse, _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ö get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Wonderful Life tidbitXX
gave himm 30 or 40 acre3s osf land in detroait in late 30s for research lab where carver developeddd peanut aabutter,, plasticc from soybeans, plasticc from peanut hulls, kingsford charcoal, to find a disposal for alll the woooden framses the car parts came in, same name today, remembe the tan coloredd plastic dashes in thirtyies and 40s fords and mercurys, and later licensed to chryselsr and others, thats ford,carver plastic from soybeans, buck, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Wonderful Life tidbit Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:30:42 -0800 I watched It's A W= onderful Life for the first time in many years this season. Try to recall, if y= ou've seen it, when George (J. Stewart) and Mary (D. Reed) were on one phon= e talking to Sam in New York. Sam was pitching an investmen= t to George - do you remember - plastics,... from soybea= ns..! It just got my atte= ntion this time. Do you think there was research into this in the mid= '40's, or was the scriptwriter spoofing and hit it on the head, or what? Anyway - Happy New = Year, folks.Keep yer chins up. R = _ Msg sent via @bmi.net Mail v4 - http://www.bmi.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ö get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Injector pump trouble was 6.2 Diesel questionXXX
body, on the fraont of the pumpl is a right angle bras fitting which is fuell retaurn line to the tank,, its on the squaare cover of the top of the pump,, under the right angle is the paressure regulator valv and check valve, it iss an 1/8 glass ball, if u can blow thru it in any direction with your moutha,, then it is not capable of holding thi five to seven if you pull this fuel returna line and turn the engine ,does fule comeee from the hole,, ok, nesxt,, on the fuel inline delivered,, there is aan electriaclall solenoidd in the cover, just under the vcoverr,, does it open when the elcedtrical ign circauit is energized,,, when u pulll the cover, does it have anayting looks like pepperrr inside the pump, andy at all is sign of failure,, thisi is the train,, is fuel gettig to the injeaction pump is it getting tharu the solenoid,, is the frelif valvee holding the pressure,, 5 to seven, is the pump trashy inside, is the filater plugged, it may very webee the sock strainer onn the pickkup inside the tank,,, they were notoraious for plugging with straight diesel, the nylon sock swelled shut,,, p replace the sock if it is bad with fine mesh staianless soldered screen, if u email me i will send u a fault tree, logic tree to use for tracking possiblee proablems,buck, _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] veg oil in GM 5.7---6.2
the dp seriesss cav pumpas weree license built rooosa/stanasdyne, some cav wereee ussed on the oldsss gm diesel,, i have a bookkk, with partss breakdown on stanadyne, and cav,, but it showsss the older styhles coupler which wasss indeed partt ofhte governr ,, fastenddd to one end of the flywehght cage, the book is diesel ;engine repair b y john f dagel publishedd by john wiley, if u email me i w;ill be hapy to copy and email the approarail page, buckk i definintelly believe the replace part is better tan the plastic part thousand percent,,, better,, the stainless was developed in response to failure rate of plastic part, if u want i can try to find illustrated parts break dwon to show what theis part looks like and where its at buck, I visited a diesel service company in the summer and they had some framed exploded view pump posters on their walls, Bosch, Lucas, Standyne etc but there was no way they were going to tell me where they got them. I tried to get in touch with that company in the UK which took over the Lucas CAV systems and others (forget the name at the moment) but it's a huge conglomerate and I got nowhere at all. Well Buck, you seem to be very knowledgeable on this subject, what I am trying to do is figure out how a LucasCAV rotary pump could be modified to tolerate filtered and heated svo/wvo. I have heard that 'grooving the vanes' might be an idea but quite honestly I really don't know what the guy was talking about as I have never been inside any pump ever. I would though if I thought I knew a bit about what I was doing and therefore I have been looking high and low for a book or indeed an 'exploded view' poster. So of course I am wondering if you or any other list member has a source for this information and would be prepared to share. Thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] veg oil in GM 5.7---6.2
degraded, by oil well derived diesel, point i was making was daryly hanna, vovie actrress is using vetg oil in her 78 chev el camino with the 5.7 diesel,, which uses the roosa,,stanadyne pump,,, has she had traouble,,?? i dont know,maybe someone couldd ask her from biofuel platform for reply gm prob hasd the stainless part, i could try to f;ind out howerver i will not nor would i recommenad to tray to install this part shadetree as dissapoiitment is the most likely result, the original part failed because dino oil removedd the plasitcizer from the ruberoid part,,, i would not try to useddd the pump if i ;thoat that it had ther original plaastic part in it,, ,, and as below,, i definintelly believe the replace part is better tan the plastic part thousand percent,,, better,, the stainless was developed in response to failure rate of plastic part, if u want i can try to find illustrated parts break dwon to show what theis part looks like and where its at buck, I only rebuilt the injector pumps ounce per pump and they was only running on dino-diesel. The «88 has turned over 500 000 km now so perhaps are the replacement part better than original... Quite right about the sulphur, Sweden often want to be world leading in environmental issues and our diesel is weary low sulphur. That causes a lot of problems for car and trucks and most diesel drivers ad extra lubricants as STP or RedLine. I have a Fiat diesel that refuses to pump fuel without RedLine Additive. Perhaps shall I try with a few percent B100 or SVO instead? :-) Anyone knows where to order the stainless steel shock coupler? Mats Jansson, the Swede Frn: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Svara till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 03:50:59 +0900 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mne: Re: [Biofuel] veg oil innn gm 5.7---6.2 Hello Ed, welcome back Mats: I think Buck was saying that that part broke apart on diesel fuel, not on biodiesel or SVO, wasn't he? In any case, SVO is not nearly as good a solvent as biodiesel. The issue with high percentage blends of biodiesel and B100 is that it's a solvent that attacks the pump seals. That's the theory, but is it really an issue? Dino-diesel seems to be just as corrosive, even when it's not LSD or ULSD. After all this time, do we actually have a clear-cut case of pump seals being corroded by biodiesel? We do hear of corroded seals, but I don't know of any where biodiesel was proven to be the culprit, or the sole culprit. As an issue I think it's overrated. If anyone is concerned about biodiesel rotting their pump seals I'd say go ahead and do it, it's unlikely to happen, if it does happen it's as likely to be a natural death anyway, and it's unlikely to be a sudden catastrophe, you'll have warning. Best wishes Keith SVO does not do that, not to any great extent at least. The issue with SVO, on the other hand is viscosity. Heating it to 70C (roughly) gets it into the range that it can be tolerated by pumps - some tolerate it better than others. Inline pumps do best, but many rotary pumps do ok as well. There are lots of Stanadyne pumps using heated vegoil. If your pump has had to be rebuilt a few times, on diesel, this is because it was subjected to low sulphur diesel, most likely. That fuel does not provide adequate lubricity. Interestingly, only 0.1% addition of a Canola (rapeseed) derived lubricity additive would have likely saved the pump! If you use cold pressed rapeseed oil, heated, two tank system, I think you've have very good chances of success with SVO. There is for example a John Deere tractor (in Sweden) with a Roosa pump - over 600 hours I believe, on rapeseed SVO. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 3, 2004, at 3:00 AM, Mats Jansson wrote: Is this shock coupler the only part that needs to bee replaced? In that case it would be best to do before it brokes... Is this a problen when driving on processed biofuel too or just SVO? Do anyone knows where to by the proper parts? Mats Jansson, Sweden Frn: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Svara till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:54:16 -0700 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mne: Re: [Biofuel] veg oil innn gm 5.7---6.2 no it is not gov, ,, purpoe is to soften coupling between engiane and internanals,, the old ones were rubberlikeake plastic disc like a disc pump coupling, if u have pepper liake stuff, u must rebauldd the pump, just to ge the trash out, the grit getsss into the finer passesges, and pump must be toanr down completell to change thae shock coupler,, it only cost,, used to cost couple of dollarsss but the labor cost tow, three hundred at injections shop prices,but even if u could get it in, u know, kne that u are building in known failure unless u could get the stanadyne part and the injectiaon shops are not casual about seelling just
Re: [Biofuel] veg oil innn gm 5.7---6.2
befroe failurea, the replacementr part is made fraom stainless stee and with folded sheet accordion leaf staainless springs laid r4adially,buck Is this shock coupler the only part that needs to bee replaced? In that case it would be best to do before it brokes... Is this a problen when driving on processed biofuel too or just SVO? Do anyone knows where to by the proper parts? Mats Jansson, Sweden Frn: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Svara till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:54:16 -0700 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mne: Re: [Biofuel] veg oil innn gm 5.7---6.2 no it is not gov, ,, purpoe is to soften coupling between engiane and internanals,, the old ones were rubberlikeake plastic disc like a disc pump coupling, if u have pepper liake stuff, u must rebauldd the pump, just to ge the trash out, the grit getsss into the finer passesges, and pump must be toanr down completell to change thae shock coupler,, it only cost,, used to cost couple of dollarsss but the labor cost tow, three hundred at injections shop prices,but even if u could get it in, u know, kne that u are building in known failure unless u could get the stanadyne part and the injectiaon shops are not casual about seelling just that piece, they want the pump job,. rebuildidng hte snanadyne pump i somesting best not tried by the average mechanic the tool equaity requaired is not worth the effort given the praobable chance of not getting it right, give it to reputable pump shop and have it rebuilt to snaandyne specs with the corredct stainless sprung coupler, in would even go so far as to question the shop as to whetaher the stainless part is used, not the rubeerrr , buck, Is this shock coupler the same thing as the governor? When I had to have a pump rebuilt that's what they seemed to call it, and from memory their description of it was very similiar to what you're calling the shock coupler. I opened up the top of it before taking it in and found black bits all over, as I was told I would if it was bad. Interesting to see the inside, but I didn't dare tear into it without either the knowledge or tools. Thanks! Erik --- Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dary hannnah, drivess a 78? chevvyel caminoo, burnsss veg oilll,, that wouald beee the gm 5.7 with roosaaa master,,/stanadynee pumpp,, same as 6.2,, stanadtne was rebuilding early roosa for gm application, it had a shoc coup0ler insid that waass incompatibleee with diesel fuel, it was aaa plastic disc aabobut the sizeee of silver dollar wit sixx holes equallyy apaced. when diesel attacaked this coupllser , it turneddd blackkk, hard, briattle, breaking up ,looked like blaack perpper,,trashed the fuel systemm, also this causedd the cpupler to drive on the pins, also caused the timeingg to retard drasticallly,, roose bout the designnn, and built replacemeanat based on this with stainless steel shock,,, coupler, buck,for the personn wo wants to put his efflujent into the creek,, theree are many thisngsss, with neutral ph that willl drop u in your tracksss as sure as gunshot to the eyebrows, if u want to find out how well wash water in the crk might work, post two line ad in your local newspaper with your intentionsss,,jyour neighborss will let you knoww how wel they thinkk it might workbuck,think of i this way the discharge froam yourr washisng machine mightt be neutra,, want to drink it, dont put anythiang in your water u wouldnt want to drink, somebody does even if theyr cowss, and if so then u or someone drinks it anyawya ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] veg oil innn gm 5.7---6.2
internanals,, the old ones were rubberlikeake plastic disc like a disc pump coupling, if u have pepper liake stuff, u must rebauldd the pump, just to ge the trash out, the grit getsss into the finer passesges, and pump must be toanr down completell to change thae shock coupler,, it only cost,, used to cost couple of dollarsss but the labor cost tow, three hundred at injections shop prices,but even if u could get it in, u know, kne that u are building in known failure unless u could get the stanadyne part and the injectiaon shops are not casual about seelling just that piece, they want the pump job,. rebuildidng hte snanadyne pump i somesting best not tried by the average mechanic the tool equaity requaired is not worth the effort given the praobable chance of not getting it right, give it to reputable pump shop and have it rebuilt to snaandyne specs with the corredct stainless sprung coupler, in would even go so far as to question the shop as to whetaher the stainless part is used, not the rubeerrr , buck, Is this shock coupler the same thing as the governor? When I had to have a pump rebuilt that's what they seemed to call it, and from memory their description of it was very similiar to what you're calling the shock coupler. I opened up the top of it before taking it in and found black bits all over, as I was told I would if it was bad. Interesting to see the inside, but I didn't dare tear into it without either the knowledge or tools. Thanks! Erik --- Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dary hannnah, drivess a 78? chevvyel caminoo, burnsss veg oilll,, that wouald beee the gm 5.7 with roosaaa master,,/stanadynee pumpp,, same as 6.2,, stanadtne was rebuilding early roosa for gm application, it had a shoc coup0ler insid that waass incompatibleee with diesel fuel, it was aaa plastic disc aabobut the sizeee of silver dollar wit sixx holes equallyy apaced. when diesel attacaked this coupllser , it turneddd blackkk, hard, briattle, breaking up ,looked like blaack perpper,,trashed the fuel systemm, also this causedd the cpupler to drive on the pins, also caused the timeingg to retard drasticallly,, roose bout the designnn, and built replacemeanat based on this with stainless steel shock,,, coupler, buck,for the personn wo wants to put his efflujent into the creek,, theree are many thisngsss, with neutral ph that willl drop u in your tracksss as sure as gunshot to the eyebrows, if u want to find out how well wash water in the crk might work, post two line ad in your local newspaper with your intentionsss,,jyour neighborss will let you knoww how wel they thinkk it might workbuck,think of i this way the discharge froam yourr washisng machine mightt be neutra,, want to drink it, dont put anythiang in your water u wouldnt want to drink, somebody does even if theyr cowss, and if so then u or someone drinks it anyawya _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] old diesel engine
some are very espanese to rebuildl just because of thei age , rarity, Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:11:54 -0800 Alex: Do yourself a big favor. If you have never dealt with a head gasket, take the engine to a reputable mechanic and have them check out the head before replacement. Then they will install the head in the proper sequence, torque the bolts in the proper sequence and adjust the valves if they are solid lifters. You can do this yourself but a diesel engine is not a good platform to be educated on. You will make some mistake and it will be costly. Sorry. Gene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Lane Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] old diesel engine Well, kinda correct. Different engines have different configurations, but for a standard inline four stroke engine here's how it is: The block has the cylinders in it with the pistons running up and down inside them. To close them off to get compression there's a big chunk of metal (the head) that bolts to the top of the whole engine block to seal it off. This is also where the valves are kept. The head gasket is a large flat sheet of sealing material (can be metal or fiber) with holes in it to allow the bolts to go thru, the coolant and oil to flow, and for the cylinders. The head gasket sits between the head and the block - sandwiched. As far as the torques that the bolts get tightened to - it's likely higher for a diesel, but I don't know them by heart. I look it up every time I do a job cause for every car they're different. Just depends on how it's all engineered. But yes, doing a head gasket job on a diesel is almost exactly the same as on a gas engine - just surface differences. If you get a good service manual it will lead you thru the job step by step. Erik --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know nothing fron nothing about mechanics but I do know that a head gasket is a head gasket. It's the thing that runs around the engine block's head so oil doesn't do what it is doing. I don't know about the tensions either but I would ony immagine that it is higher for a diesel than a gas car, someone else can fill in the details. Luc - Original Message - From: alex burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:07 PM Subject: [Biofuel] old diesel engine Hello All this is my first ever message ( Please forgive my spelling.) I have so far only used the single stage method but will in time start the two stage method. i have limited knowlage about diesel engines my first question is rebuilding a diesel engine much different to rebuilding a petrol engine ? the reason i ask is i have been offered a old diesel for testing which is said to have a blown head gasket (oil is getting into the coolant would this be a the head gasket or some other gasket or seal??.) regards Alex [ememail.gif] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ö Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] veg oil innn gm 5.7---6.2
that wouald beee the gm 5.7 with roosaaa master,,/stanadynee pumpp,, same as 6.2,, stanadtne was rebuilding early roosa for gm application, it had a shoc coup0ler insid that waass incompatibleee with diesel fuel, it was aaa plastic disc aabobut the sizeee of silver dollar wit sixx holes equallyy apaced. when diesel attacaked this coupllser , it turneddd blackkk, hard, briattle, breaking up ,looked like blaack perpper,,trashed the fuel systemm, also this causedd the cpupler to drive on the pins, also caused the timeingg to retard drasticallly,, roose bout the designnn, and built replacemeanat based on this with stainless steel shock,,, coupler, buck,for the personn wo wants to put his efflujent into the creek,, theree are many thisngsss, with neutral ph that willl drop u in your tracksss as sure as gunshot to the eyebrows, if u want to find out how well wash water in the crk might work, post two line ad in your local newspaper with your intentionsss,,jyour neighborss will let you knoww how wel they thinkk it might workbuck,think of i this way the discharge froam yourr washisng machine mightt be neutra,, want to drink it, dont put anythiang in your water u wouldnt want to drink, somebody does even if theyr cowss, and if so then u or someone drinks it anyawya _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash
its real eassy, when u run out offf any atmosphere, when u are completely outside ofthe armoaphwew shell,, then u are at the point where centrifuigal and gravitational forces are relatively balanced, _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] trash pile,
i wass wrong, inertialll equity and centraifuagl forsces are not in balannnce untill 22800 miles, geostationaryy,,,any closer and your trash pile would needdd velociciaty to maintain orbvit, now for the enginering feat ofa the milleania desisgne a conveyor to deliver your tomatooo cans to the top ofhte trash heap, _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] How many forum members does it take?
iff a psychiaatraist is on list and polledd, he would kprobabaly tell youuu none sincee the lightbulb is pervecctly capable of changianby itsellff, but it really must want tooo change,buck, How many forum members does it take to change a light bulb? You mean a virtual light bulb or a real one? Anyway, you missed one - the beancounter. You. I think you need a new abacus. Best Keith 1 to change the light bulb. 1 to post that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 22 to claim light bulbs were cheaper in 1973 after adjusting for inflation. 5 to blame the Bush administration for allowing the bulb to burn out. 12 to blame the Zionists for stealing their light bulbs. 6 to argue over whether it's lightbulb or light bulb. 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is lamp. 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that light bulb is perfectly correct. 10 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum. 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum. 6 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs. 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URLs. 27 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group. 19 to accuse the big light bulb corporations of depleting precious vacuum resources. 4 to complain about Spain's new tax on used light bulbs. 3 to claim only the French make the best bulbs, and everything else is le crap. 5 Americans to remind the French they are making light bulbs instead of candles because the US bailed them out, again. 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures. 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 9 to call light bulbs weapons of mass illumination and to deny Iraq had any WMI. 2 to say didn't we go through this already a short time ago? 4 to say do a search on 'light bulbs' before posting questions about light bulbs. 3 to spam the post talking about how light is pretty 7 to ask what kind of lightbulb they should buy. 2 to get in a heated debate about which is better, halogen or fluorescent. 3 to ask about how to get it to turn on. 4 to post that they are forming a light bulb co-op. 1 to write some long cynical diatribe metaphorically reflecting the frustration of the whole experience. and 1 new forum member to respond to the original post 6 months from now and to start it all over again. --- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX
, 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb ors say anything,, just say,,, hey, itsss fire ants,,, theyll understand,,,they may not understand that your killim themm but they will approve,,buck _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZaagaind
the wassshed ceramic filter is an analytic tooll not production, it is the siaze and thiacknesss of small coffee filter,,,and made from very samalll ceramic fiber, it does not degrade in almost any sloution so that nothing will contaminateee the filtratee ,, what i said was if he wanted to fin what the clousdy crystals were,, i suggested to chill some fuel and run it thruuu washed ceramic filter,, so that the cloudy stuff woudl stay in the filter and be esxamined, What's this washed ceramic filter? The links I read about making biodiesel don't say anything about filtering. Ken I'm also wondering if they are referring to a distillation process. When I recently heard about glass doughnuts used in glass columns to collect hydrogen peroxide, I tried to find a few. My associate thought that they may be referring to Raschig Rings and I copied out an ad from a chemical supply company about the rings as seen below. Ceramic rings have been mentioned in the past. However, the ones used in the peroxide capture column were clear glass. Since one biofuel ethanol producer suggests using marbles in the three inch still, I thought the glass doughnuts could offer more surface area. Most of the distillers talk about stainless steel scrubbers. Cost and effectiveness are important. More information is appreciated. Peggy PURPOSE AND BENEFITS AquaVet's Raschig Rings are an efficient biological and coarse mechanical filtration product for use in closed system aquaculture. They are particularly appropriate for high flow power filters, with either open or enclosed filter cartridges, because Raschig Rings easily handle high water flow rates and resist clogging. The rings break up the water flow through the filter, preventing channeling or bypassing of the water around the filter materials. Raschig Rings provide an excellent mechanical filtration, promote extensive biological filtration, and enhance the effectiveness of subsequent filter materials. BIOLOGICAL FILTRATION Raschig Rings have proven extremely effective in promoting biological filtration, because they are an exceptionally good base for nitrifying bacteria. Constructed of a porous ceramic stoneware; Raschig Rings possesses a positive electronic change, so slight it is generally unnoticed, which attracts the nitrifying bacteria needed for biological filtration. The open ring or noodle shape, combined with the porous nature of the stoneware, provide a tremendous surface area which can support a population of billions of bacteria in a relatively small filter compartment area. MECHANICAL FILTRATION Raschig Rings are a very effective mechanical filtering material, especially in coarse screening. Mechanically the filter rings break up the water flow through the filter forcing the water flow to spread evenly without channeling or bypassing or clogging the filter materials. The rings regain and entrap large particles of debris which are worn down by water turbulence and bacterial action. SPECIFICATIONS Raschig Rings are constructed of high-temperature-furnace-fired ceramic stoneware rings with hollow centers, approximately 9/16 (15 mm) in diameter and 5/8 (16 mm) in over all length. Each filter ring has a little over 1 square inch of outer surface area; 1 lb. of Raschig Rings contains about 300 filter rings, with 300 sq. inches of available outer surface area. These figures do not consider the microscopic small surface cavities and porosity of the ceramic material. There are about 10,000 Raschig Rings per cubic foot, with about 10,000 sq. inches of available outer surface area. The approximate weight per cubic foot of Raschig Rings is 55 lbs. Packed Raschig Rings have about 65% free space. STABILITY Raschig Rings are durable, long lasting, and stable indefinitely. They require no special handling procedures. Raschig Rings require only a periodic rinsing to remain effective. Washing and treating with soap, household cleansers, and cleaning chemicals do not interfere with its electronic charge. COMPATIBILITIES Raschig Rings do not affect, and are not affected by water quality, medications, or water conditioners. Raschig Rings are nontoxic and harmless to plants, fishes and invertebrates. Subject: Re: FW: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ --- Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds reasonable but what causes this wax component, Is this unsufficient washing? JLB - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL
RE: [Biofuel] unsubscribe,
much,,, i feel my opinions and attemapts at humo hovave no plaace in theis forum,,,for anyone who may havee beeean affended,,, i abjeactaly apolosygize,, i meant no haram i feelll that you endeaveeer to imporve the pligh of the earth yourselfvess, those araoud you, i wish u well,,, ,, please dissenro me,,,buck, _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] unsubscribe,
much,,, i feel my opinions and attemapts at humo hovave no plaace in theis forum,,,for anyone who may havee beeean affended,,, i abjeactaly apolosygize,, i meant no haram i feelll that you endeaveeer to imporve the pligh of the earth yourselfvess, those araoud you, i wish u well,,, ,, please dissenro me,, f oar that i applausd th youbuck, _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!propaneeee, naitrours
onee also, If you park next to a propane refueling depot, and there is propane in the air, the engine can runaway. Same thing can happen with worn rings. The engine will pull oil from the sump and take off until something breaks or oil runs out. zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zxif your par nes,t to a re propane refuelsing deponnt and u get enough propanee to make the engienr over revvv, tnen the engine blowing is the least of the worries,,, the event will mosst likely make the evening news enough propane to causee any sugnificant increase in rpm is most likeley more than enought to be fatalll to ;anyone in the area,,, even if ti did not erupt in a massiveee esplosion first,, if enought propane were leaking to cause such an event, no,one wold let a running engine of any kind anywhere nera the tanks,, that kind of leakaage isx a major event,,significant info can be found in the documnets theat tell convbustibile fuel air ratios,zx zx zx zxzxzx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zxzx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zxzx zx zx zx zx zx zx zxzx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx now, any en diesel engine that is so worn as to pull enough oill from the suppp thru the ringsss, is so worn as to prob not be able to runa in any case,( a diesel runs by compressiong the air usuallly to over 475 psi and at a tempt due to compressionnn to over the flassh point ofo the fuel,, usuually over 600 deg,, it musst hold that pressur at theat temp long enough for the fuel to ignite and provide the gas to push the piston they will howerver run a way due to lube oil i have be closely assoicated with best i rememberr at leat three, a 38ND8 1/8 fairbanksss morse opposed pisstoon 12 cyl, 4500 horsepower,, on a submarine,,, it blew a blower seal like detroait diesel blower, sucked lube oil aned rane wway, i killed it bly throwing rags over the blower screen and putting transh can over that, secondd, 8v71 detraoit diesel, again blew a blower seal, pulled the emer shutdown mousetrap and suht it down,,, lastly a vt 903 cummjins, 900 cubin inch v8 cummins turbocharged in a truck, turb seal,turbo was blowing oil into the engine, put its nose agaianst a buiilding , tried to sstall it down, didnt have a shutoof on the air, when the clucth burned out, i just ran away forom it, those of us who do not believe in or use kevlar underwaer sometimes lifve to fight another day, zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx nitrous ox injection,, propane injection,n20 nitrous oxyagen is used by lotss of very high performanece racers to get that last little edge from their race cars,,, and some street racers, but its installation is so expensiver and the refills for the bottles are so expensive that only ;the well emplowyued can afford it,,,its engagement is so harse theat it is very difficult to contain the horsepower producedd and it will find most any mechanical fault in the engine powertraian and make it fatal to the live of the engine,zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx propane in diesels,,, propane is used routinely in rvs, street driven dieselss truck pullers in by itself and in conjundtion with niitrous,, it is not harsely engageing to the engine and is friendly enough tothe common user,, the refills are relatively inexpensive, used by truckers that need that extra little bit to jusst get over the hill,,, it is ualually injected just in front of the turable, using off hte shelf parts, i am doing propane injection on my dta360 ihc turbo diesel to take it form 190 horse to over just about 260-275,zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx i dont say andy of this to hurt ansyhones feelings, my statements are open to challenge, this iss buckk,zx and turn off his engine as quick as he could. The other driver's engine started to over rev, without him in the cab. He went in the can and tried to turn the motor off. It wouldn't turn off. It continued to over rev and blew up the motor. I think that the same thing will happen with Oxygen. I don't think that there is any good way you can control it. Jeff I haven't been following this thread closely but propane injection is a very common modification. The driver you talked to may have been putting liquid propane in, causing much too much fuel at once. Anyway, my point is that many people use propane for
[Biofuel] dissicanayt cooling
check outt zeolite cooling, refriageraation,buck _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Moderator's message
someone to talk to but just not right now,,, wevee had aaan arugment and are not speaking bawaa hahahah,laughingg like a loon,, jenniferr ,u can talk to meee anytime no matter whicha part of the sweing you are on im not laughinnn at oanyone, i am inviting anyone to have a laugh with me, on me for if we can lajgh, perhaps we dont have to cry just yet,,,heads kup , bpck, From: Jennifer Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Moderator's message Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:20:46 -0400 Ah, yes. I do understand the world of Bi- Polar. Such a blessing, such a curse, wonderful mood swings, irrational motivations, etc. I've been a diagnosed manic depressive since age 16, but I take comfort in the fact that most genesis have a mental illness. I know I am no genesis, my spelling is worse than Buck's, but I am in good company. - JRD Yes, I change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, that is part of the nature of being Bi-Polar.That is part of who I am.If the list can not accept me for who I am and what positive things I can sometimes offer, ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] storage in a hot climate@@
resistant,buckk From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:22:54 -0500 Greetings Todd, Actually paper adobe stands up real well, especially if it is stuccoed. My humidity is worse in the winter, since that is when we get liquid sunshine. grin I am looking into rice husk ash as a way to make the paper adobe more fire proof and perhaps help it withstand the weather better. Bales must be paid for, hauled in by truck and are a 2 man job to stack. Paper adobe uses my heavy clay and waste paper of which lots is available locally. Paper adobe is a one man job, so I can work on it while my DH is at work. Also, the paper adobe is much lighter requiring a less substantial foundation for the building. Each climate has it's own demands, what works well in one place is not the correct solution for everywhere. If we search, we can find a solution that will work for our own climate that is good for Mother Earth as well, if we are lucky enough that the government does not interfere. By the way, I have left paper adobe out in the winter in the rain and had it survive with only about 20% disintegration, not bad for dirt and paper. The big problem with traditional construction is termites. Either I would have to put the building up on posts about 3 feet off the ground or do chemical termite treatments. It is very difficult to build up in the air and have the building with stand the storms we get. I am tearing down a traditional construction built this way due to storm damage. Winds of 100 mph gusting to 130 mph are not unusual here. The buildings wind up being so tall, since 10 foot ceilings are a real benefit with our heat, that it is scary working on the upper walls and roof. We do not use a work crew, I do most of the building myself. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:28 AM 9/14/2004, you wrote: Ya' know Kim, You could put the matter to test quite simply. Build a six bale yard bench and wait and see. Construction in winter might also address the humidity issue in the presence of open bales. If all else fails, there's still conventional thick-wall or dual-wallconstruction, high R insullation and radiant barriers. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate Greetings Doug, Actually, unless you are rich and can afford a large construction crew, your bales are going to get wet during construction, so knowing how they will react is important. A water proof covering that does not breath will rot bales faster than leaving them outside due to condensation. There is no way in an extremely humid climate to get real dry bales, they are going to have a fairly high humidity. Seal them in and let the weather happen, and temperature dropping 40degrees F in 10 minutes are not unusual as a blue northern blows in, and you have a major condensation problem in your wall. Considering that I have watched fire ants eat through concrete, I do not believe that it is possible to seal the critters out of any wall, eventually they will be in your bale wall. I make it a habit to test materials in the harshest kind of tests before I build with them. I want to know how much damage the weather can do to them. I have been hit once already by a tornado, winds of 130 mph have happened more than once. Buildings do get damaged in storms, it takes time to repair the damage, especially since the living must be cared for first. If the trees and plants need attention or if the shelters for the animals need attention, that must be done before the house. In an ideal world you may be able to keep your bales perfect, but I don't live there. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:24 PM 9/12/2004, you wrote: But straw bale building relies on the straw being encased in a water/vermin-proof wrap. Leaving a bale outside I think, is not a valid test. regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZZZ
not any of my busisnesss,,, just curious, ii was in and out off Jaapnan in the late 60xs, early 70ss,yokosuka and sasebo, and some the small village aroumnd, from viet nam i loved the countray and the people, when i had the time i love to go to some the small ;vifissisng villaages, and if i oculd wrangel my way onto a boat, i woluld pull nets for a day just to learn more about the poeeple or to a farming villagee, i love thee little intense farms , hundredd yards square with barely enough room to put their feet,, i was clumsy, my big western gaijin feet,, actually i wanst that bad, i ussed to walk the railroaad trackss when i was a kid, baut the one time i did fa, that i remember, i coughtt myself with my hand but stuuck my finderss into a perfect radish bedd, he said it wasss nothisng, but i was p mortiffied,,i was fascinatedd by the workmanshsip in the boatss and the housesss, i thot the youg girls dellicate, bueautifell and way to pretty to tray to talk to,,, and i love the children, they would try to teach me thei games, and i minne to them,, they would plactice their engrish on me and i my japanense on them, with lots of laughing and giggling with little had over mouths,i alwasy hated to go and ii believe they didnt like my leaviing either,,,buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:46:20 +0900 oh by the waay,, DOMO ARIGATO GOZAAIMASU KIETHSAN, MIDORISAN,,, :-) Thankyou Buck-san. (How do you bow with a computer?) Midori sends her greetings. Her Japanese Biofuel list is doing well, by the way (on-topic content). Active. Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendasl
califthat is a natural for cattail, it already has hundreds of acress of cattail growing, and i beliverr the land belongs to the city or countty, that would be inyuo inyo county calif,, much of it seems to be shallow ponds withh roads crisscrosssed throusout,, i thinkkk the state or county would let someone in there for commercial productions to provide source of work for locsals,, it is along side the bigg pine?? river,,,the weathe is suckh that production could be year round, From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendasl Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:45:02 -0500 Hello Ron, Thank you for the informative summary and the links I find it interesting that a number of states such as Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, North South Dakota, California, Nebraska to name few around the USA have introduced alternative biofuel such as ethanol into not only the government transportation mix but also to the public which may have had something to do with public opinion or was there some other reasons for it. There is another news source from BBI which headlines each new E85 pump that opens for the public and that number grows weekly. Also the new cars for 2005 will feature many ethanol compatible models from economy models to luxury vehicles and work trucks. And you are correct; government is a major factor in helping a multimillion dollar facility become profitable. However, at the last International Fuel Ethanol Workshop, the statistics showed that if we continue to rely on corn as a mainstay for fuel ethanol, we will not satisfy the fuel additive potential much less change to a primarily biofuel/ethanol alternative. And so the government is now pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into things like hull-less barley--a few years back it was sweet potatoes. The real innovation comes with cellulosic processing. This is and will remain the way of the future. Researchers have been working toward advanced yeast propagation and now the emphasis is on enzyme variation. The point is that it is possible to use any and all cellulose-based biomass as a fuel ethanol feedstock. RIGHT NOW! We do not have to follow the previous expensive processing methods of changing a food (corn) into ethanol via a beverage quality technology. The processing can be altered to produce ethanol faster and less expensively, by smaller groups, for local fuel use and also produce an excess to network into sales cooperatives--right where you live--anywhere USA that has biomass growth potential. I think I already mentioned that a neighbor made one gallon of ethanol from five cactus leaf pads. Do you know that that means? It means that land growth potential just doubled. Our next fuel ethanol start-up will be wood-chip and waste based. We plan on over a million gallons a year. This is a small, community-based coalition. Another facility we are helping in South Texas will only produce 30,000 gallons a year in the beginning and it will be done less expensively than the major producers. When you read that the farmers own the ethanol coops, you must realize that agribusiness caters to the industrial farmer more than the rural farmer with several hundred acres. There are crops that can produce more ethanol per acre with multiple annual harvests, and not require the expense associated with growing corn. My associate's research on cattail rhizomes proved a capacity of over 1000 gallons per acre from the roots alone. Now our new processing technology will give an even higher yield. Without the sale of the cake--wet or dry and other byproducts, the profits for corn ethanol production would not be good enough to be competitive. Also, without the government subsidies, tax breaks, and other incentives, it could not compete as an alternative fuel. This must change. And it can. And it will... as soon as small, rural economic development takes hold and cooperatives process biofuels through cellulosic breakdown. When coalitions from grassroots locations form small coops to take care of their own fuel needs, it will be a start. It doesn't require a minimum of four and a half million dollars to start an ethanol production plant like industry and government want us to believe. If you would like to discuss this off list or if you are truly interested in setting up a coalition in the United States, we can help. Each individual site is different. The concept could also work in foreign countries, but I'm not familiar with the land ownership, politics, and restrictions from other places, so I can't speak about other countries. Have you seen http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/id36.html? Robert details an easy way to begin real independence with links to another thousand pages of information. Robert is one of our company founders. There is a whole lot more in innovation coming very soon--with or without
RE: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set
From: Keith Denson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:25:27 +0100 Hello All, any information regarding buying,converting and running a generator on WVO Would be greatly appreciated. Regards Keith Denson. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
or the aggies archives, dept of agriculture, they usually have many way s to conserveee foods, From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:37:11 -0500 Hi, Keith thanks for the reminder of an excellent resource. From Kim's posts it seems the conditions in that part of Texas may not allow for many of those idea be put to use. Too bad foxfire like projects didn't occur in all regions of the U. S. to preserve the history of the old ways, that way information pertinent to Kim's location would be available. I'm sure it's available but it may take hours of research to find it in libraries and such. Doug - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate : Hi Doug, Kim and all : (Ahem...) : : http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#handyfarm : Small Farms Library - Journey to Forever : : Handy Farm Devices and How to Make Them by Rolfe Cobleigh, Orange : Judd Company, 1910 : Not just nostalgia -- Cobleigh's devices and techniques were good : answers to common farm problems and they're just as functional and : useful now as they were then. Make your own workshop tools, a simple : fence post and stump-puller, fences and gates that don't sag, : building a farmhouse, barns and outbuildings, a bicycle-powered : washing machine, a dog-powered pump, a lightweight orchard ladder, a : portable chicken coop, a stone boat (for moving stone) and much more. : Cobleigh's out to save you time and money -- a treasure for small : farmers or homesteaders and anyone wanting to be more : self-sufficient. Illustrated, good old-style writing, punctuated with : quotes from Shakespeare or a local farmer, whichever's apt. Workshop : and Tools, The Steel Square, In and Around the House, Barns and : Stock, Poultry and Bees, Garden and Orchard, Field and Wood, Gates : and Doors, When We Build, Worth Knowing. Full text online. With : thanks to Kirk McLoren. : : http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/device/devicesToC.html : Handy Farm Devices - Cobleigh - ToC snipped : : Keith : : : - Original Message - : From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:10 AM : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate : : : : I have, but if possible I would like to build a natural system that does : : not require energy. They had to store food here before electricity, all I : : need to find out is how. : : Bright Blessings, : : Kim : : : : --- : Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. : Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). : Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 09/07/2004 : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 09/07/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate@#$
hi doug, was it passive solarr enerby by edward mazria,, mf-23-544, i found lotss or freferrences to this one,, buck From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:02:19 -0500 Hi, I just recalled an article that was in a Rodale Press monthly publication that was a passive refrigerator, ice box to be accurate, project. As I recall it had a refrigerant loop with the condenser outside the building under the shaded eaves of theroof and the evaporator an insulated box with water in a partition. I believe over time the passive unit was supposed to freeze the water into ice. Problem is I can't remember the name of the magazine to even begin a search. Doug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 09/07/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl
thanks alan,, what i hadd si similair to straoke,,anoxic encepaathlpaathay, cept thatt as sstroke is almost totalaa damage in signle area, i have small damages spreaddd in many area,i wasss voracccious reader,, that tnded in 2000, my writing is almsot illegible,,, even to me, if i leavee it awhile i have very straong lefft and right finder substtitution, finger for fingerrr,the bad thisng is , it still makes wordsss, tho not the ones i wanteddd, sometimes up and downsometimess random lettersss seem to work therir way in,,,also i dont see the mispelling,,, i thisnk i see hwat i expect to s. howerver, someplace somethking decided it was goingg to spell some thaisngs in newww ways, ikf i spell verry carefually, i can spell truckk,, but if i just let loose and type it it comes out truack with extra a, and detroiiit diesel is same way,,, heck when im thinking about it ti doenst doe it,nayway,,, extra a same way,,,and letterreversals,,itss almost amausing in a baizarree way, my head says truck and dmy hand sayss trauckc,whattt is realy amuzisnd and amazing to me is if iwritee, my hand iss shakingseems random, yet the shaky for example O hasss a straong notch in hte lower left, if i do te or twentyeven fast, they all mosttly are pretty mcuh the same with the notchc on lower left, so the shaking is not random,just an observataion, thanks for answerr, and support,,, this is buck,,,Subject: Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:30:02 -0400 Keith Addison wrote: Languages The list language is English, but if you are a non-native English speaker please don't let that stop you. Many list members write bad English but it doesn't matter, even very bad English is easy to understand. Use the language translation programs on the Web if you like, they're not very good sometimes, but again it doesn't matter. The list is not just for the Western English-speaking males who mostly populate the Internet, it is for everyone, with a special interest in the 3rd World countries of the Global South. One of the advantages of English is that it can be understood when spoken (or written) _badly_. Many other languages are not so fortunate. That applies to you, no? It's obviously not easy for you, thanks for taking the trouble to make the effort. I don't know about anyone else, but I had no trouble reading your message. I think anyone should be able to read it quite easily. Slow reading, but I was able to get through it. A couple of years ago my father had a small stroke. The only lasting effect has been to his handwriting. He's a doctor, so his handwriting was bad enough already, and now it's practically illegible, but I can usually puzzle through it. Kirk McLoren sent me this a while back: Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer waht oredr the ltteers of a wrod are in, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Could you read that? Midori just read it without any difficulty at all, and she's Japanese, not a native-English speaker. She thought it was very funny. So do I. So much for spelling, eh? No need. This is why anagrams can be so interesting. But I should help you with this: TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. And somewhere out there Robert A. Heinlein, peace be upon him, is smiling. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input
From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:37:19 +0100 My engine is a 2.5 liter turbo charged Hyundai starex 98 engine ( I have heard that the Mitsubishi 2.5 l engine is the same but without a turbo) . It is rated at 85 hp. The van itself weighs 2 tons, and can take up to 12 people. It usually spits out more smoke when loaded. Anyway, the smoke isn't too serious, I was just thinking of lessening the waste, opitmising and maby gaining a little performance. zx zx zx zx zx zx if your engine has aa tachometerr, find hwat is the optaimum operationing rpm and drive by your tach instead of your speedometer,,, keep the engine spun up, not orverrevved tho, and your performance will increase,, buck _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ
it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax componednt theat comes out at jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess either way, i migh chill a small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter the try to figureee from ther, buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900 Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out soon. - Keith From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Awwcid - Base proces getting cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel when I want to produce B20 or higher. When I heat It to approx 40 ¡C or filtrate with Seitz K1000 filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have determined the water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher titrator to be approx. 0.3%. My theory is that a component of the BD is not solluable in regular Diesel and by mixing them can be filtered out, because by adding more BD It gets cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It stays clear. Can someone confirm this theory? Jan Lieuwe Bolding Chemical Engineer The Netherlands - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Greg Harbican To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel It warmed up, and, what ever it was that was making it cloudy went back in to solution. My guess is that you didn't have a complete reaction, I say this because of your low PH, if I remember right, good BioDiesel has a near neutral Ph ( 7 ). Did you let it cool down and if so did it become cloudy again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:02 Subject: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I wonder why it stayed cloudy untill it sat in the sun for a couple of minutes. Any ideas? Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZZZ
it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax componednt theat comes out at jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess either way, i migh chill a small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter the try to figureee from ther, buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900 Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out soon. - Keith From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Awwcid - Base proces getting cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel when I want to produce B20 or higher. When I heat It to approx 40 ¡C or filtrate with Seitz K1000 filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have determined the water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher titrator to be approx. 0.3%. My theory is that a component of the BD is not solluable in regular Diesel and by mixing them can be filtered out, because by adding more BD It gets cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It stays clear. Can someone confirm this theory? Jan Lieuwe Bolding Chemical Engineer The Netherlands - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Greg Harbican To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel It warmed up, and, what ever it was that was making it cloudy went back in to solution. My guess is that you didn't have a complete reaction, I say this because of your low PH, if I remember right, good BioDiesel has a near neutral Ph ( 7 ). Did you let it cool down and if so did it become cloudy again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:02 Subject: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I wonder why it stayed cloudy untill it sat in the sun for a couple of minutes. Any ideas? Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] tanstafl
theis to responnd to kparticularr posts sso i woll do itthis way untill i get it riahgt,firsttt let me tell who and what i am, , i was retireddd millwright, mavnchinisst untill 3 yhears ago, my heart arrested, the dxamage is similaair to straoke,, intellect iss intact, coantroall is not,,, the brain knowsss how to spelll, the finddgers do not, please dojnn not ask me to correfct my spelling, or usse spelllcheck, if i could do that i woujld have been doing that three years ago, i dont remever much aboujt day beforeee yesterrday or last week with anay degr of accuraacy, but i rember 30, 20 ye3ars ago,i was a gas and staeaam turbine millwright,, i am ,was also precissisln machinist,,i will not respond in anay way to political or ereligious questions, my back groaund is highly technicalll, i had to undersstand how thisngs worked i will try to help in any waya in aresas that i am knowledgaable,, first to kim,, you canntot get freezing temps without putting some kind of energbgy into the sstystem, thats tanstafl, u may get mother nature to help,, i live in the high desert, the average humidityh is about 6-7 percent. sometimes lesss, we use evap coolerss to cool our house, (latent heat of evapoaration), it has fiber pads which are pumped with water, fan drawss air thru cooling the usual 105 d4egree air to about 75-80 and the waterr in the bottom of the pan is usulally about 60, thats mother nature helping if the humitdity is higher, 30-50 then the colller doesnt work very well, thats eficiency,, dryer,, more efficient,,, more humidity, less efficiendt your ground temp, 65 isnt bad,,, if you go down 12-14 most anyplace around the worlddd, except near the polses, or polar regions,,, you will find 68-70 degrees except in geothermal regions, if your ground temp is 65,, possible,, then your 85 degree water temp in highlsy unlikely,, try this,,, wrap a large bucket with burlap,, arrange a drip so thaat it driops on the burlap, dont let the drp water drip inside the abucket, if yourhumiotdity lefel is low enough, you will get water cool enough to enjhoy drinking,i hope u wont athink this mean of me, but if u want somesting, u misst first understand what your asking for, and u cannot get a great energy exchange,, ambient to freezizng, without energy,, and if your ground temp is 65, and your waater temp is 85,,,?? have u measuredd the water temp just out ofthe ground, the more we know, the more we can help,i hope u ;wont think me rude, i have been thru this man times, soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them without error,,, correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not posssible with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all the dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from (regular) peo;oe will not help me, this is what i have, for the friend wanting to put pure o2 in your diesel,, dont dio it,, the dark smoke is engines response to temporary lug, overfuell, under rpm condition, the engine is getting enough fuelo for say 3000 rpm,, what u put into it wouty your accelerator pedal,, the engine wants tor run 3000 but the loaddd at the time holds it to say 1000.. so u get smoke if you put o2 in there, oxy combines readily with hydrocarboan readily, even without compression,, oxy on oily handss or closthes has put many machanincs in the hopspital, if you put o2 form your medical oxy bottle,, you will mosst likely get a lawn ornament,as the fuel injection sysstem is very carefully engineeered fuel, air managemanet system,, and you will not be able to easily control the necessary input of oxy,, if any of this upsets you,,, say so and i will cheerfully withdraww, buck _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Creating a cool room @@
this is buck,, read belowww, Greetings Heidi, I do understand straw bale very well, did a course on it years ago now in Arizona with the Out on a bale, by mail people. Unfortunately, straw bale is not a good building material for my area. I would have to truck bales in from well over a 100 miles away. My humidity is over 80% most of the year. We tested a rice straw bale on the property, it disintegrated in a single season, just as if it were hay. We have many insects here that just eat it and I do not allow chemicals on the property. Straw bale is a wonderful building material if you live in the right climate. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:30 PM 9/11/2004, you wrote: hi heidi and kim,, for kim, when u sayy u do noat lallow chemicalss do you mean, insecticiaceds or all thingsss chemical, insulation foam, plastic sheeting eticif we can understaaadn what u mean by chemicals, i liv in a chemicala town,, i worked for kerr mcfgeee, we extracted borax, soda sash, phosphates, sulphatess, borate, all are chemical, salt, thats chemical, some ar43e immediately poisionu, some take years, water if taken to excesss will kill you as surelllsy as arsenic, wihich also occuras here in the ground naturally,, im not being argumentativeee, what is acceptaable to your so that we, can make reasonablee recocommnedatiaons,, i hesitrate to say we, as i do dnot presumeee to speak for eery one, also i dont like to say me,,, as i dont know everythisng and do not want to seem as if i have an evertytime for everthing answer, i am only a man, the more i and the other peopele here know about ht u want to accomplisheee and hwat u are willling to usse guidess in what we can suggest for guildlenlines , as to yourrr humitddity level, u can dissregard evaporation th help your cooling problames, u must be albe to get energy from some other sources do you havee yearf around wind,, gravity, is there any hills with streams, sunlight for solar panelss,,im starting to ramble, so thats enough,,, buck _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl%%
thankss, it quait twice at homeee,,, 4 and 7 januaray after failure in december, paacemaker 11 jan 2000i am gratefaul for every daay, i am graateful it wansnst 8 minute3s instead of whatever it was,,, i would be in some va hospital with someone wiping my chiaan every coupale of dayssif i even survive, as it iss i can still drivee, its findde motor controal, not grosss, that i losot,inaabiklity to docntinue looong tainsss of thought, i get distractedd easily tyhong to illusstrate idesas, i sometimes tell an anecdont to clarify an idea and them forget what i was trying to clarrify,, i am not assking for sysmpatyhn, , i cleebrate living,,, diging at old idesasto come up ;with neww ones, makes me thing that if i exeraciseee it, some will come back, i was always very methnidical, this then, the other eaach in its own time,when i came back form fiet nam, the shrisnks called me obvsesive compulsivei think all machninnisstss musst be a=obsessi e compulsive,i belicevee all successful mechanical assembly reqires rules of assembly and order, i believe mosst hujman interactions can be compared to mechanical,,,sorryy cant find the workd,, push pull, inertia, energby,, cause and eeffect, Buck, soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them without error,,, correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not posssible with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all the dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from (regular) peo;oe will not help me, this is what i have What you've got is perfectly enough. Odd as it may sound, it's a pleasant change of pace. Nothing was received scrambled on this end. Glad your ticker kicked back in when it did. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: [Biofuel] tanstafl there aint no such thing as a free lunch!!i havent figuredd howw to get theis to responnd to kparticularr posts sso i woll do itthis way untill i get it riahgt,firsttt let me tell who and what i am, , i was retireddd millwright, mavnchinisst untill 3 yhears ago, my heart arrested, the dxamage is similaair to straoke,, intellect iss intact, coantroall is not,,, the brain knowsss how to spelll, the finddgers do not, please dojnn not ask me to correfct my spelling, or usse spelllcheck, if i could do that i woujld have been doing that three years ago, i dont remever much aboujt day beforeee yesterrday or last week with anay degr of accuraacy, but i rember 30, 20 ye3ars ago,i was a gas and staeaam turbine millwright,, i am ,was also precissisln machinist,,i will not respond in anay way to political or ereligious questions, my back groaund is highly technicalll, i had to undersstand how thisngs worked i will try to help in any waya in aresas that i am knowledgaable,, first to kim,, you canntot get freezing temps without putting some kind of energbgy into the sstystem, thats tanstafl, u may get mother nature to help,, i live in the high desert, the average humidityh is about 6-7 percent. sometimes lesss, we use evap coolerss to cool our house, (latent heat of evapoaration), it has fiber pads which are pumped with water, fan drawss air thru cooling the usual 105 d4egree air to about 75-80 and the waterr in the bottom of the pan is usulally about 60, thats mother nature helping if the humitdity is higher, 30-50 then the colller doesnt work very well, thats eficiency,, dryer,, more efficient,,, more humidity, less efficiendt your ground temp, 65 isnt bad,,, if you go down 12-14 most anyplace around the worlddd, except near the polses, or polar regions,,, you will find 68-70 degrees except in geothermal regions, if your ground temp is 65,, possible,, then your 85 degree water temp in highlsy unlikely,, try this,,, wrap a large bucket with burlap,, arrange a drip so thaat it driops on the burlap, dont let the drp water drip inside the abucket, if yourhumiotdity lefel is low enough, you will get water cool enough to enjhoy drinking,i hope u wont athink this mean of me, but if u want somesting, u misst first understand what your asking for, and u cannot get a great energy exchange,, ambient to freezizng, without energy,, and if your ground temp is 65, and your waater temp is 85,,,?? have u measuredd the water temp just out ofthe ground, the more we know, the more we can help,i hope u ;wont think me rude, i have been thru this man times, soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them without error,,, correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not posssible with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all the dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from (regular) peo;oe will not help me, this is what i have, for the friend wanting to put pure o2 in your diesel,, dont dio it,, the dark smoke is engines
Re: [Biofuel] Appreciated some ideassss
attempt this with wassste oil in these dieselsss, any supsended solidss,,, saltss, or acids picked up from the coocked foods would probalby make shsort shrift of the sometimes millionths of an inch clearance in the fuell injection sysstem, there are many great bargaisns in surplus military genssetss, 1,2,3,3 cylinder aircooled diesesls, military standard, listerpetter, and onan are some,, they come three wayss,straight dc,,, ac in 60 cyclee and 400 cycle, 60 cyclee at 120 and 240 volstss are most usefule as thats what we have mosst use of,, the 400 cycle will not power any of the comon appliancesss, none, howerver it is ok for any resistive use as long as the voltage is appropriate,,, it will power lightbulbs and resisstance heaters, lightbuldss dont care aabout frequesncyy,(60 cy) and whilee im still thisnking about it, i wanat to say, when i say sometsshsing here,, it is bucks opinion,, opiniomnanything i say is subject to challensge, if i disagree i wall ask for sourcesss,, generally i dont feel stroangly enough about opinion to start an aarguemnt,i am kpretty much middle ofthe roadd, someone might want to lookk aht the gassifier plants built on the backs of carss in germanty, and bakc of busses in the phillipiness during wwII,,they weren very efiecient, they workeedd on spark ignnn engines only, but thw buirned readily avialable materia, coconut hulls, palllm trees, fronds wood, most anything,,, basic lawsss of mechanics,,, thermodynamicss,,, any time u change onee kind of energy to another, there will asslways be a loss,, if u need heat, and u have sun, make a lsolar collector airbos, its easy and inaespensive, and u dont have to pump it,if u dont have much sunlight, and your someplace where its not illegal,and u need heat, buirn somethning,,, just now the most efricent way to gel handleld lighttt is superbright ledss,,, i have a flsaashlight with leds that i bout a yers agoo and it still hads the original two d celll batteries, a 3000 mcd microcandles,, led will genarally burn at least 40 hours on 2 d clells,i left myine on for a weekk, just forgot it, it was still buening,, try that with resistor boulb flashlight, guarntee the batteries will be dead in aobut two hours,, ive said endough, starnidnt to ramble, thiss si bukc _ Donât just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a ***
ihope this makes snese, kim has presented a problemm, that intrauques me if someone walks up ;to u ;with a 40 lbbb ham, sticks it to your chest and sayss eat this,,,firsts reactiaosn is probalbyy , i cant , its too big, imoopsiblle,,, what i might saayyy is,,, hey, give me aa loaf of breaddd, a jar of mayonaiase, some sun brewed tea, (from KINm) a sharp knifeee, and enough time ot workk on thismake ham sansdwiches,, break the problelma down intoa smaller manaageabvle pieces,what i thisnk i might do is get a ready made servel to keep the daily sstuff cooledd, butter, milk andy fresh meat,reduce the coolisng load on whatever reefer u wind up ;with, by preservinng, pickiling, jeryking, jams,thants how the turn ofthe centruy did it, my gramndmother did it, my mother,,, we used kerosene lamps untill i was aabout 12,, got rid of the lamps and got a refrigerator about the same time, we hunng peanuts and sweet ptattoes, , a gallon of kerosene will run a 12-15 cufttt servel for about three four daysss, i think,,, best i rember,, another ,, if u put a whatever box in the bround below the water tableee, what u will hnave is a rusty container with water in ti,, if u have a ready made hill, put it innn the hill,, if not put it on tomp of the grouand and pile diret on top ofit,, make yhour own hill, lots of dirt,,, this is almost , heck it is dozeer work, cept right on top,, this is not NOT shovel work, power,the bas must be large enough that weather or natural fall is not enough to carry your rcover away,what i wanted to say and forgott was start with manageable piecess, learn what u can do, what is so laabor intesiive or beyond your capabilities and adjsust so thatu get the best effieciency with what u can accomplishe,if u try to buy a righands weldidng time, these guys are ussed to doing refinery, oilfield, chem plant work at 50 plus dollars an hour, go to junior collece, learn to weld, cut, learn to fit, measure,,, buy a small gasolisne welder, make stuff, the moreee u knowww, the more u can do for yourselldf, make the tools work for you, dont work for the tools,,theyre harder than you,, they have no felings, no sympathey and theyll work u to death,buck _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
