Re: [Biofuel] The Carbon Capture Juggernaut Rolls on
It seems that the best way to prevent solve the climate change problem is to lessen energy consumption and plant more trees. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:06 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] The Carbon Capture Juggernaut Rolls on The Carbon Capture Juggernaut Rolls on If the coal industry's carbon capture and storage (CCS) plan were ever implemented, it would be the largest hazardous waste disposal project that humans have ever undertaken, and among the most dangerous as well. A new report explains why the plan cannot work. http://www.precaution.org/lib/08/prn_more_ccs.080515.htm Rachel's Democracy Health News #959, May 15, 2008 The carbon capture juggernaut rolls on [Rachel's introduction: If the coal industry's carbon capture and storage (CCS) plan were ever implemented, it would be the largest hazardous waste disposal project that humans have ever undertaken, and among the most dangerous as well. A new report explains why the plan cannot work.] The coal, oil, automobile, railroad and electric power industries are planning to solve the global warming problem by capturing carbon dioxide (CO2) and burying it a mile underground, hoping it will stay there forever. The plan is called CCS, short for carbon capture and storage (or sometimes carbon capture and sequestration). Emitting CO2 into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas) is thought to be the main human contribution to global warming. If industry's CCS plan were ever implemented, it would be the largest hazardous waste disposal project that humans have ever undertaken, and among the most dangerous as well. As the New York Times reported April 23, 2008, A large leak of underground carbon dioxide could be as dangerous as a leak of nuclear fuel, critics say. Now a new report by Emily Rochon and others, published by Greenpeace International, describes industry's CCS plan in detail and shows, point by point, why it cannot prevent climate chaos. http://www.precaution.org/lib/gp_report_false_hope.080505.pdf Anyone who wants a basic introduction to CCS will want to get a copy of Rochon's report. It is a thoroughly documented, carefully argued, presentation of industry's plan, with professional graphics that clarify how CCS is supposed to work. Rochon's report is even-handed, often leaning over backwards to present the industry plan in the best possible light. Still, the report concludes that CCS is a dangerous gamble that ultimately cannot prevent climate chaos because -- even if it works -- it will arrive too late to do any good. In 40 pages, Rochon's report reinforces five main points: 1. CCS wastes energy. Capturing carbon dioxide will consume 10% to 40% of the energy produced by a power plant. This means that, on average, CCS would require construction of a fifth power plant for every 4 new power plants that use CCS. Thus CCS requires, on average, 25% more coal mining, transportation, and waste disposal than non-CCS power plants. CCS would also increase the water requirements of power plants by 90%. 2. CCS is expensive. CCS will double the cost of a power plant and will increase the cost of electricity somewhere between 21% and 91%, according to U.S. government figures. Worse, CCS will divert funds away from renewable sources of energy and energy conservation projects, which could reduce CO2 emissions faster and at lower cost than CCS. 3. Storing carbon dioxide underground is risky. No one can guarantee that CO2 buried in the ground will stay put forever. Even very low leakage rates could reverse the climate benefits achieved initially by CO2 burial. 4. CCS carries significant liability risks. A large leak of CO2 could kill vegetation, animals, and humans over a fairly large area. Industry is already angling to get taxpayers to shoulder the liability. With some 6000 CCS burial projects required to make a significant dent in the CO2 problem, opportunities for serious mishaps will be ever-present. 5. CCS cannot deliver in time to avert climate chaos. The world's scientific community is saying CO2 emissions must peak by 2015 and decline thereafter -- but even the most optimistic industry plans call for CCS to begin in 2020 -- and most industry spokespeople are saying CCS won't be available until 2030 to 2050. Despite these fatal flaws in industry's CCS plan, the U.S. and Europe (and probably China) are counting on CCS to solve the global warming problem. As Fred pearce wrote in New Scientist March 29, In Germany, only CCS can make sense of an energy policy that combines a large number of new coal-fired power stations with plans for a 40 per cent cut in CO2 emissions by 2020. And the New York Times reported April 23, Over the next five years, Italy will increase its reliance on
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Longevity] Refined Carbohydrates and the Fast Track to Disease
It is only for the last few hundred years or so that food has been relatively abundant for humans. Before farming we were hunters for millions of years since the early humans. Our bodies have evolved to digest unprocessed food and conserve the nutrients we get from them. Nowadays the food we eat are already pre-digested and our lifestyles have become sedentary (no hunting and gathering with extended periods of going without food). Its no wonder cases of obesity has gone up along with related complications and who knows what other effects this has on our bodies. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:03 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Longevity] Refined Carbohydrates and the Fast Track to Disease Thought this interesting Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Refined Carbohydrates and the Fast Track to Disease Thursday, May 29, 2008 Byron Richards, CCN http://www.wellnessresources.com/weight/articles/refined_carbohydrates_ and_the_fast_track_to_disease/?source=Emailcamp=news052908 A new study shows just how deadly refined carbohydrates are - even for a healthy person. One serving given to a lean and healthy young adult is adequate to triple the inflammatory response to the surge in glucose. We have known for a long time that the high glycemic/refined carbohydrates (table sugar, white bread, etc.) are disease producing when consumed over a period of time. However, I don't think anyone knew that a single meal activates the core gene signal (NF-KappaB) that drives your body's entire inflammation process - even in a healthy normal-weight person. Excess NF-KappaB activation is the central theme of all diseases - including cancer and heart disease. One hundred years ago Harvey Wiley, M.D. started the FDA so that we could have an organic food supply rich in whole grains. Soon he was booted from his position by the White House and the food industry who wanted nothing to do with healthy food for Americans. These criminals have a century of damage on their hands. Before he died he wrote a tell-all book: The History of a Crime Against the Food Law. Subtitle: The amazing story of the national food and drugs law intended to protect the health of the people perverted to protect the adulteration of food and drugs. Our government bought all the copies so hardly anyone could read it! The profits of the junk food industry and the junk grain industry have crippled the health of our citizens. Our government has been force- feeding this trash on our children for the past 30 years via the school lunch program and the food pyramid guidelines. This program has enabled refined junk food carbohydrates, sold at considerable profit by garbage-oriented food companies, to be the staple of the diet for a growing child. Heads should roll - now that their idiocy has contributed in no small part to an obesity epidemic in our children. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the ownerYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Longevity/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Longevity/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080529/0258c2d2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture
Hi Gustl and Ken, If kerosene and GASOLINE is used, then what they may be doing is diluting the vegetable oil to lower viscosity and lessen the likelihood of injector clogging. The product itself may just be placebo. (Heck! Why didn't I think of that? NOT!) Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:21 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture Hallo Ken, Not sure but according to my wife's niece's boyfriend who uses the stuff you put 1/2 gallon kerosene, 1/4 gallon gasoline, cetane improver and the secret ingredients into wvo and then after 5 minutes you filter it 3 times, the last time being a water absorbtion filtering, and put it directly into your tank. This is with 20 gallons of wvo. Also, I am at my daughter's house and I may have the kerosene/gasoline ratios mixed up. Adam, the boyfriend, says he has been using it for about a month and everythng he told me he got straight from the website including how dangerous it is to use methanol and how expensive it is and how less expensive it is to use this stuff, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps some of the Germans on the list have an inkling of what he is talking about since it is claimed to have been used there in the immediate post WWII time. Sorry I can't be of more help. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. Friedrich Nietzsche The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Hello all! Has anyone checked them out and find out what's in that secret formulation they've got and what it really does to the waste vegie oil? I'm just curious. best regards, Ken Hallo, Check out this website if you want to see how well some folks talk out both sides of their mouths. http://www.dieselsecret.com No, it isn't Bio-diesel! Yes, it is the only true Bio-diesel! The Germans at Mercedes have been doing this since the post World War II years but we have the only proprietary ingredients! On, and on, and on. Same old same old. Happy Happy, Gustl ...snip of superfluous stuff... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Good use for glycerine
Hi Tom, We use an ordinary 1/2 hp clear water pump with two inlet pipes to suck in glycerine and wvo. I just adjust the inlet openings to regulate the mixing. We let it settle in a dedicated separate tank for about the same time as you would settle glycerine from BD but I reckon longer is better because of the viscosity of wvo. Thank you for the kind words. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:27 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Good use for glycerine Chris, I'm glad to hear from you. Sorry it took me so long to respond to your original post. Your post caught my interest. I did my tests and tried to respond, but I have been having problems with my ISP and little time to resolve them. I have plenty of glycerine cocktail. My interest was not only in de-watering my WVO and neutralizing FFAs, but in lowering the pH of my glycerine, which I compost. A few questions: - How do you mix the WVO and glycerin? - Is the settling time similar to that of glycerin from BD? - Do you have a settling tank specifically for settling the glycerin from the WVO? Nice website. http://www.freewebs.com/easybiodiesel/ Keep up the good work! Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture
Hi Ken, If I remember correctly, naphthalene (moth balls) is for a fact used in small amounts in gasoline formulations to increase octane rating. But the formulation must be carefully done. Methanol is also used to increase octane rating. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:37 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture Hello all! Yup! Chris is right. When I read Gustl's reply and read gasoline, I just about laughed my head off. I grew up in a motor shop with my grandfather fixing all kinds of engines, and yes, we mixed gasoline with vegie oil for quickie fixes when we run out of diesel at the shop. Quickie is all it is. Cause I've seen what that does in the long run and my granddaddy would get up from his grave and kill me if he ever heard me tell people to do it. It was a secret we had 'cause he didn't want the other mechanics to do it and ruin someone's engine. I still hear about some people adding moth balls (naphtha) once in a while and I still get a kick out of it when I hear about it. Nah! Always those pipedreams! JTF is still the real stuff. best regards, Ken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor :-) Chris Tan wrote: Hi Gustl and Ken, If kerosene and GASOLINE is used, then what they may be doing is diluting the vegetable oil to lower viscosity and lessen the likelihood of injector snip... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Good use for glycerine
Hi Tom, Your results seems to be a mystery to me too. Did the glycerine batch you used for the cone-shaped settling tank the same as that which you used for the mini-batch? Different batches of glycerine would have different amounts of catalyst. What we do is use atleast 10/90 weight ratio. 10kg of glycerine for 90kg of waste oil. It is possible to bring the ffa level to zero if you use large amounts of glycerine (if you happen to have accumulated large amounts). Best regards, Chris Tan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:53 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Good use for glycerine Hello, On Oct 5,2007 Chris Tan suggested using the glycerin cocktail to de-water WVO and to neutralize FFAs. (Post included below). This made sense to me. When I titrate WVO after it has been circulating in the reactor and allowed to settle, it is always slightly lower than when titrated before loading. I attribute this to the presence of some glycerin residue from the previous batch. (It never dawned on me to use the glycerine to neutralize FFAs.) After reading Chris' post I tested the hypothesis by mixing (shaking) 0.5L WVO with 10 ml of glycerin cocktail. I did two samples. Both titrated a bit less than the WVO alone ( ~ 2.9g KOH/L vs 3.2 g KOH/L). I then set up a small cone-shaped settling tank and mixed (paint stirrer on an electric drill) 20L of the same WVO with 500ml of the same glycerin cocktail. The next day the WVO still titrated at 3.2 g KOH/L. I titrated it again; same result. Chris' post make seems to agree with my own experience. It also seemed to be corroborated by my mini test, and it seems to make sense. Questions: 1. Is there any reason the alkaline glycerin would not neutralize FFAs? 2. Why didn't it neutralize FFAs in my larger (settling cone) test? (The settling cone is now in use.) The FFAs would be neutralized as soaps which, given time would settle out with the glycerin. WVO with high FFA also tends to hold water. Treatment with glycerin held some promise for treating the cubie (18L container) of marginal WVO that I get on occasion. Not only should the glycerin neutralize the FFAs, but the FFAs should lower the pH of the glycerin making it more environmentally friendly(?) Thoughts, comments, suggestions appreciated, Tom [Biofuel] Good use for your glycerin cocktail Christopher Tan Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:17:05 -0700 Here's a good use for your glycerin cocktail before finally giving it away. My father came up with the idea that you can use the glycerin cocktail to dry your waste oil. And it works. Glycerin is hygroscopic enough to pull moisture out as it settles down so you wouldn't have to heat or boil the oil. And as a bonus, it neutralizes the ffa's in the waste oil. Most of the catalyst end up in the glycerin cocktail so it neutralizes the ffa's. Best, Chris Tan P.S. Kindly check out my personal website -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071210/35c9d444/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] i-blew-up-my-2008-f350-on-biodiesel (supposedly)
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/05/02/i-blew-up-my-2008-f350-on-biodiesel/ Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Kindly check out my personal biodiesel website.
Good day to everyone. Kindly, check out my personal biodiesel website. http://www.freewebs.com/easybiodiesel/ Thanks. Best regards, Chris Tan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor as a Vacuum Pump
Yes it will. Just make sure that your vacuum tank can take it. I made one a month ago and I crumpled a 12gal guage16 stainless steel tank=) But it was a lot of fun doing it. Best, Chris From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:45 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor as a Vacuum Pump A couple of months ago a post suggested using a refrigerator compressor as a vacuum pump. I just accidentally destroyed the refrigerator that I had been using for my kegs of homebrewed beer. The compressor still works. Will it work as a vacuum pump on my processor? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Strange oil properties
I'll try that just to see the effect. But I don't think I can freeze 200L. Thanks, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:biofuel- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Katie Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:51 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Strange oil properties try freezing it, i think. someone can probably say otherwise, but it seems to me that lard will hold more water if it is not pure fat. if you separate the lard out maybe it will behave itself? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Strange oil properties Greetings to everyone, About 5 months ago I collected about 200 liters (55gal) of used oil. I was able to determine that my supplier used a mixture of palm, lard and coconut oil. Back then I did trial batches and it tested ok. Acid content measured less than 3%. I left it alone while I was building a bigger reactor. Now that I was testing my reactor and I ran 100liter, all I got is glop. I can't seem to get the water out. I tried using concentrated salt solution, flash drying and settling. None of them worked. I noticed that if I heat the oil, it only gets darker and darker but the cloudiness due to water still persists. And doing a trial just seems to indicate that water is still in the oil. A had a small sample of oil way way back that behaved exactly like this. (I still have it.) Could it be that as oil ages its affinity to water increases? Has anyone experience the same thing? Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Strange oil properties
Greetings to everyone, About 5 months ago I collected about 200 liters (55gal) of used oil. I was able to determine that my supplier used a mixture of palm, lard and coconut oil. Back then I did trial batches and it tested ok. Acid content measured less than 3%. I left it alone while I was building a bigger reactor. Now that I was testing my reactor and I ran 100liter, all I got is glop. I can't seem to get the water out. I tried using concentrated salt solution, flash drying and settling. None of them worked. I noticed that if I heat the oil, it only gets darker and darker but the cloudiness due to water still persists. And doing a trial just seems to indicate that water is still in the oil. A had a small sample of oil way way back that behaved exactly like this. (I still have it.) Could it be that as oil ages its affinity to water increases? Has anyone experience the same thing? Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sharing Biodiesel
I noticed a number of times that a 50:50 mixture of biodiesel and dinodiesel burns longer than pure dinodiesel. Has anyone notice this too? Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:26 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Sharing Biodiesel Hello to all, Todd S. recently made the point that,it would be better, environmentally, to use B-75,and share the other 25% with someone else, rather than have one person going with B-100. Using the same volume of BD, having one B-75 and one B-25 reduces exhaust emissions more than one B-100. I haven't been able toformulate an objection to this other than the fact that I'd have to change my licence plates .. currently BD100. Theremay beadvantagesto doing this that go beyond reduced exhaust emissions while using the amount ofBD available. I think that involving more people in the actual use of a biofuel, rather than discussion, theorizing, and complaining about their unavailability, adds momentumto the movement towards cleaner fuels. Use and acceptance may may stimulate demand resulting in greater volume/greater availability. When I began using BD in my car and it worked, I felt a bit of a weight lifted off my shoulders. I was a bit less of the problem and a bit more of the solution. Last week I had to drive a gasoline car. For the first time since the end of winter, I had to go to a gas station to put gasoline in a car. I had an uneasy feeling about it.I'm suggesting that there's a psychological shift that occurs when a person feels they are part of the solution even if only a tiny part. It simply feels better than being part of the problem. The only objections I can come up with to the idea of sharing my BD, as Todd suggests, is that I'd have to go to the pumps again to get diesel fuel and I hate the smell of petro diesel.Other objections that come to mind are more petty and do more to reveal personal shortcomings rather than having any real force of argument. I have been thinking of scrapping the plates anyway. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil in galvanized zinc coated drums
I set aside some waste oil in a galvanized zinc coated drum. Later, I noticed that some of the oil seems to have solidified on the side of the drum. Does anyone have an explanation for this? Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil in galvanized zinc coated drums
I did some research on the net and found two cases were galvanized container formed deposits. I now know that it's zinc soap as opposed to sodium/potassium soap. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Tan Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 2:19 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] oil in galvanized zinc coated drums I set aside some waste oil in a galvanized zinc coated drum. Later, I noticed that some of the oil seems to have solidified on the side of the drum. Does anyone have an explanation for this? Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BETTER MIXING BETTER BIODIESEL LESS ENERGY
Could you please send it to me too. Thanks. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:00 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BETTER MIXING BETTER BIODIESEL LESS ENERGY Hello Citando, I sent you a schematic and after reading this you should understand the benefits. This is all based on experience. I just made a 100 Liter batch and the color was so light it looks like virgin oil, It separated in COLD water on the first mix in under a minute. was clear as crystal on the 4th wash. Keep in mind this is not changing the way any JtF procedures are done, It is just an enhancement. use it where you are but don't start on the acid base start at the beggining. See below [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jim I, would like to know more about that. tank you Citando JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wouldst it be cool if we had a way of doing these: IMPROVING THE SAFE HANDLING OF CHEMICALS? A PVC venturi fitting installed on the discharge side of the pump allows yous to suck in your chemicals using a small hose. The pumps horspower when used to push the oil through the fitting causes a vacume at the port down stream of the Orfice or hole that the oil travels through. If you hook a small plastic hose to this you can pull in chemical without pouring it in. This is safe. Injecting all our chemicals into our oil without pouring them in? see above During the process of injection, getting a better than 90% total mix? This is one of the great side benefits of what happens when the oil is forced through the orfice - it creates a vacume on the other side when a fluid is sucked in to this area down stream of the orfice a super turbulent hyper mixing action takes place and mixes whatever with the oil - and it will stay that way much longer than through any other type of mixing - This is the principal that the University of Cambridge uses for their processor. Keep the top 1 (where any unmixed Methoxil sits in your processor) mixed with the rest? Yes no matter how you do it some separation of methoxil and oil is going to happen and it goes to the top. But with the venturi you simply place the suction tube to a port that goes down into the processor and pulls this top layer back into the mix with oil from the bottom of the reactor. When the hour is up you end up with Hyper mixed fluid. Reclaim the methanol from the glycerin of the last batch right back into the fresh oil of a new batch? After you have made a Batch of bio you have a batch of FA - GL (fatty acids Glyceryn) put this in a container with one outlet. Place the suction tube on the outlet. Turn on your pump. (bench mark where the oil is so you can see how much methanol you have pulled in) now gently heat the container of FA-GL Under vacume it will boil out the methanol. as this hot gas is mixed with the cool oil (at atmospheric pressure) it instantly turns to liquid and mixes at the same time. (for acid base only) Reclaim the methanol from the Biodiesel before washing (allowing for a washing experience you may not have ever experienced)? Before you wash your bio turn your pump onn with the venturi on hook it to a chilled reclaimer vessel and hook the syuction port to one side and another line to your processor and be sure you have a closed system. the methanol will drop out in the reclaimer and will be very pure. Once you have it out the bio will wash much better than it did with the methanol in it. One thing NEVER EVER NEVER hook the suction to a water port for washing - this is a gauranteed emulsion with the best bio made. because the venturi mixes so well it will take a long time to settle out. (but it will eventualy) Well I do have a way and I would like to share it, Joe Street and I have both been developing this technique along parallel lines of thought and it works so well, and it IMPROVES SAFETY. Better than that it cost's about 20 bucks to add to your processor. These can be purchased from the internet very reasonably. Reply if you want to know if I'm tooting bull or like Bob Allen says, can give the proof of the pudding - this car does not run on water. ;^) Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Email gratuito com 2 000 MB Espaço para guardar 1 milhão de mensagens http://www.portugalmail.pt/2000mb ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
2nd run dropped down to 6% ffa. The 1st run separated beautifully with base transesterification. The 2nd run solidified to soap. I'm going to do a 3rd run reusing the catalyst. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Tan Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:53 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst I tried to make the stuff from cotton without the Nitrogen. I did the pyrolysis and the sulfonation for half the time. I guess I was too impatient. I tested it with WVO with 12% FFA. After treatment, the FFA content went down to only 5%. To make sure that it wasn't the leftover acid that was doing the job, I'm doing another run, using the same sample I made. Then I will try to transesterify both runs. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:48 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Hi Chris The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for 15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL of concentrated sulfuric acid for another 15 hours. Then you need to wash it to remove the acid. So then where will the acid wash water go? Down the drain? Not to mention the fumes produced during the whole process. Yes. Hot concentrated sulphuric acid lacks appeal. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
I tried to make the stuff from cotton without the Nitrogen. I did the pyrolysis and the sulfonation for half the time. I guess I was too impatient. I tested it with WVO with 12% FFA. After treatment, the FFA content went down to only 5%. To make sure that it wasn't the leftover acid that was doing the job, I'm doing another run, using the same sample I made. Then I will try to transesterify both runs. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:48 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Hi Chris The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for 15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL of concentrated sulfuric acid for another 15 hours. Then you need to wash it to remove the acid. So then where will the acid wash water go? Down the drain? Not to mention the fumes produced during the whole process. Yes. Hot concentrated sulphuric acid lacks appeal. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for 15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL of concentrated sulfuric acid for another 15 hours. Then you need to wash it to remove the acid. So then where will the acid wash water go? Down the drain? Not to mention the fumes produced during the whole process. With 200mL of sulfuric acid you could have treated 200L of WVO. They say the new stuff is reusable but I'm pretty sure it is impossible to complete recover 100% of the catalyst after use. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:37 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Mike, I think you have hit it on the head, The sugar catalyst is plays the role of the Acid in the two stage reaction but I don't think it will complete a reaction all on its own. And the fact that it is reusable is on its own a benefit but unless times and temps are increase beyond the layman grasp I remain very skeptical of it. Now on the other hand this IA State catalyst really shows promise as it would eliminate washing altogether -no?. Well enough of my presumptions - we are witnessing some interesting developments in biofuels. Best Jim Mike McGinness wrote: John, It says the particles are made of sand and calcium. The actual catalysts are attached to the surface of the particle and the active catalyst compound is not described (except to call them mixed oxides). I say catalysts because they mention having both acid and base catalysts on the same particles. by creating a mixed oxide catalyst that has both acidic and basic catalytic sites. Acidic catalysts on the particle can convert the free fatty acids to biodiesel while basic catalysts can convert the oils into fuel. Mike McGinness John Beale wrote: Searching the Des Moines Register website, I found this article: http://snipurl.com/q4m4 Searching the Iowa State University website, I found this article: http://snipurl.com/q4mj It says on the second article that the catalyst is made of calcium and sand, not sugar and sulfuric acid. -John On May 6, 2006, at 11:35 PM, JJJN wrote: My mother in law sent me an article by Anne Fitzgerald writing for the (Des Moines?) Register. The article states that Victor Lin and two fellow University of Iowa Chemists have created a new catalyst that is reusable (20 times) and can be filtered. The catalyst will be quite a bit more expensive than what we are using now but will pay out over time because of the reuse. West Central cooperative is going to test the catalyst on a commercial scale. Anne Fitzgerald can be reached at 515 284 8122 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This sounds very much like the glucose/carbon/sulfur carbon compound. BUT I do not know if it is or something new. Well lets hope this becomes available to us all very soon. My best Jim. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists. org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Chemical Grades
Thanks for all your input. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike McGinness Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:10 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chemical Grades Chris, Impurities can interfere with the reaction. The interference can be positive or negative. You asked about impurities in lab grade chemicals versus Reagent or ACS grade. Here in the USA we consider Reagent and ACS grade to be lab grade. We call the next lower grade commercial and / or industrial grade. Just pointing this out for clarification. A question you should ask yourself first is do you want test results using high purity reagents or do you want real world home made batch test results using the industrial / commercial purities that are readily available at a much lower cost and therefore are more likely to be used by many of us in this group, in your experiments. This is an issue / question I have had to deal with in my own R D lab as I usually want my data to translate into results that I can use in the field. It is possible that some impurities might help rather than hurt the yield and purity of the final product(s). One problem with using lower purity reagents is the difficulty of getting reproducible results. If you use the lower purity reagents you might consider also running multiple tests with several different commercial grade sources and determining the variance +/- in product yield. If you want to focus on comparing the relative completeness of the reaction of several recipes by measuring total glycerol ONLY and you want to eliminate other extraneous variables, then ACS Reagent grade chemicals would be the best choice. For instance if you get a batch to batch variation of 20% due to impurities and the true variation between recipes is only 15%, your data, the data you want, will be some what hidden within the 20% variations. Best, Mike McGinness Chris Tan wrote: To Prof. Bob Allen, I plan to compare the relative completeness of the reaction of several recipes by measuring total glycerol. Is it okay to use laboratory grade chemicals for the analysis instead of reagent or ACS grade? Will the impurities in lab grade chemicals significantly interfere with the results? Reagent and ACS grade chemicals cost so much. Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chemical Grades
To Prof. Bob Allen, I plan to compare the relative completeness of the reaction of several recipes by measuring total glycerol. Is it okay to use laboratory grade chemicals for the analysis instead of reagent or ACS grade? Will the impurities in lab grade chemicals significantly interfere with the results? Reagent and ACS grade chemicals cost so much. Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help needed.
Thanks everyone. I probably need a bung plug wrench which I don't have an idea of. I 'll go research on the net. Thanks, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:49 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed. Do you have a bung plug wrench? Chris Tan wrote: Greetings Everyone, Do any of you know just how to safely open a sealed 55gal steel drum full of methanol? It's my first time. Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help needed.
Greetings Everyone, Do any of you know just how to safely open a sealed 55gal steel drum full of methanol? It's my first time. Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Hydrocarbons are relatively inert. They only undergo reaction at vigorous conditions such high pressure and/or high temperature, i.e. with a spark(kaboom!). A reactant would need to have what is called a functional group to react at less vigorous condition. With alcohols, the functional group is -OH which makes it react. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:00 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution How would you react the solution with the gas? Teoman Naskali wrote: Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers
Thanks Earl. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:00 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers Chris, I don't think that noryl will hold up. My company had a problem with esterized hydrocarbons (in the form of machine oil) attack a mechanical shaft made with noryl in one of our aircraft instruments. After a few months the oil weakened the noryl to the point that it fractured. We had to repair half our altimeters at our expense. We found that cleaning the machine oil off of the metal part of the shaft before mating it with the noryl part eliminated the problem. Oops. There are plastics that will hold up in fuel. We are using glass-filled PPS (don't remember what is stands for offhand), and ULTEM in one of our aicraft fuel probe designs (JP-8 resistant). You may be able to find other impellers made from these materials. Earl Kinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today. - President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906 - Original Message - From: Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] noryl impellers
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hi Mon, The pamphlet doesnt say directly that coops are not allowed to make biodiesel. Here are excerpts from the pamphlet. I trust you can read tagalog? Regards, Chris Anong konkretong hakbang ng pamahalaan upang mapalaganag ang paggamit nito? (Biodiesel) Dahil sa mga nakitang benepisyo ng coco-biodiesel, si Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ay nag-isyu ng Memorandum Circular No.55 noong Feb 9, 2004, na nag-uutos sa lahat ng ahensiya ng gobyerno, kabilang ang mga Government-Owned and Controlled Corporations (GOCCs), na gumamit ng 1% coco-biodiesel sa kanilang mga sasakyang diesel. Ano ang posisyon ng mga oil companies sa paghalo o blend ng biodiesel sa kanilang diesel fuel? Napagtanto ng mga oil companies na ang biodiesel ay isang environmentally friendly at alternatibong fuel. Ang blended biodiesel ay nakikitang may benepisyo habang ginagamit. Ang mga oil companies naman ay hindi tutol sa pagbalangkas ng gobyerno ng mandato upang gumamit ng biodiesel na halo sa diesel fuel para maipakilala ang biodiesel. Kaya ba ng mga kooperatiba na gumawa ng biodiesel? Hindi pa po. Napakaimportante na malaman ang tungkol sa coconut methyl ester at biodiesel. Kahit na sinong tao na may basic knowledge sa paggawa ng methyl ester ay kayang gumawa ng coconut methyl ester. Subalit, kakaunting kumpanya ang may kakayahan na gumawa nito at makamit ang espesipekasyon ng B100 biodiesel. Kailangan din ng mga pasilidad para mas kontrolado ang mga produktong nangangailangan ng waste water control treatment at proseso. Kailangan ng ibang pasilidad para dito. Gaano kaimportante ang pag-ayon sa espesipekasyon para sa Methyl Ester na nakapaloob sa Philippine National Standard? Ang mga oil companies ay gagamit lamang ng coconut methyl ester o biodiesel na nakapasa sa Philippine National Standard para sa B100. Ito ay isang requirement para sa lahat ng suppliers. Ang isang substandard coconut methyl ester ay magbibigay ng malaking hadlang kapag nagkaproblema. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hi Mon, The pamphlet doesnt say directly that coops are not allowed to make biodiesel. Here are excerpts from the pamphlet. I trust you can read tagalog? Regards, Chris Anong konkretong hakbang ng pamahalaan upang mapalaganag ang paggamit nito? (Biodiesel) Dahil sa mga nakitang benepisyo ng coco-biodiesel, si Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ay nag-isyu ng Memorandum Circular No.55 noong Feb 9, 2004, na nag-uutos sa lahat ng ahensiya ng gobyerno, kabilang ang mga Government-Owned and Controlled Corporations (GOCCs), na gumamit ng 1% coco-biodiesel sa kanilang mga sasakyang diesel. Ano ang posisyon ng mga oil companies sa paghalo o blend ng biodiesel sa kanilang diesel fuel? Napagtanto ng mga oil companies na ang biodiesel ay isang environmentally friendly at alternatibong fuel. Ang blended biodiesel ay nakikitang may benepisyo habang ginagamit. Ang mga oil companies naman ay hindi tutol sa pagbalangkas ng gobyerno ng mandato upang gumamit ng biodiesel na halo sa diesel fuel para maipakilala ang biodiesel. Kaya ba ng mga kooperatiba na gumawa ng biodiesel? Hindi pa po. Napakaimportante na malaman ang tungkol sa coconut methyl ester at biodiesel. Kahit na sinong tao na may basic knowledge sa paggawa ng methyl ester ay kayang gumawa ng coconut methyl ester. Subalit, kakaunting kumpanya ang may kakayahan na gumawa nito at makamit ang espesipekasyon ng B100 biodiesel. Kailangan din ng mga pasilidad para mas kontrolado ang mga produktong nangangailangan ng waste water control treatment at proseso. Kailangan ng ibang pasilidad para dito. Gaano kaimportante ang pag-ayon sa espesipekasyon para sa Methyl Ester na nakapaloob sa Philippine National Standard? Ang mga oil companies ay gagamit lamang ng coconut methyl ester o biodiesel na nakapasa sa Philippine National Standard para sa B100. Ito ay isang requirement para sa lahat ng suppliers. Ang isang substandard coconut methyl ester ay magbibigay ng malaking hadlang kapag nagkaproblema. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Tell that to our gov as they are clueless or worse. Regards -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 7:34 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Interesting... I live about 25 miles from NREL, and honestly, they are not very interested in promoting, testing, making standards for, etc, for biodiesel. Their biofuels division is much more interested in pie in the sky research on hydrogen fuels (due to political directives).There is more activity in biodiesel standards and quality control from our local citizens co-op, and on this list, than I have seen from NREL. Very odd that the Phillipene DOE would entrust testing to them when they do so little here On 9/24/05, Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been reading up on this for past 3 years or so and its like this. There have been local studies on biodiesel for years. The government only took notice when they saw they could boost coconut industry (and their pockets). So they immediately tied up with the big chemical companies senbel, chemrez and ir chem'ls. But the resulting product is too expensive. So the gov tried to talk the big 3 oil companies into buying the product as additive but couldn't twist their arms because they say that the product has not been proven yet. So instead, gov and big 3 oil companies (and big car manufacturers) agreed to test the product and formulate a standard locally. Now shell has reason to be angry at gov for not following the agreed test protocols (what ever that may be) by submitting the product to US DoE's NREL.(see article below.) And so senbel, chemrez and ir chem'ls market their expensive product without a clear standard. Talk about talking to the wrong people. Big 3 chem'l company say product is good to make sales. Big 3 oil company say product is bad because if it were good they will have to market less of their fuel therefore less sales. Regards I-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ike aguilar Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila hi to all i'm just wondering how the gov. approved to use the the biofuels without setting up with a standard, i,m really confused about this. Here's an article from Manila Bulletin DoE defies test protocols on CME By MYRNA M. VELASCO While they are chastised for not being receptive of the introduction of coco methyl ester (CME) as a blend to diesel products, the country's giant oil companies have turned the table on the Department of Energy (DoE), noting that the latter defied test protocols earlier agreed upon to test the viability of the product. We have aired our concern that before we can accept CME as additive to our diesel, the product should undergo all series of tests, and all related infrastructure should also be addressed, one of the big oil companies stressed. The oil firms have also aired their concern about storage facility for the fuel since their depots in Pandacan have already been significantly scaled down. Another infrastructure-related problem they have reportedly brought up with the government is if the CME manufacturer would be willing to put up a pipeline so that the product could be dispatched directly at their depots. None of these has been addressed by DoE, they whined, noting that instead of talking to them, the latter preferred to take refuge by submitting the product for testing by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), an attached agency of the US Department of Energy. The oil firms have clarified that they do not have any objection about third party testing for the CME; but they emphasized that the test protocols they have proposed are the same process that the government sought with NREL. It would be recalled that the Philippine energy department engaged the help of its American counterpart agency in its bid to promote CME as alternative fuel for public transport in the country. It has been taken as part of the US government's commitment to help the Philippines in exploring and promoting alternative fuels that will not just generate cash savings; but will also cut down greenhouse gas emissions. In an interview with US-DoE officials in March, they have revealed that the Philippine CME testing may take an extension of three to four months, to better assess the stability of properties of the fuel and to ensure that it would not tear down or cause some corrosion in the engines when already used massively in vehicles. Due to some questions on its technical suitability to existing vehicle engines and other concerns such as on storage, the energy department claimed that it was prompted to seek an independent testing of the fuel; aside from the one that has
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
www.doe.gov.ph/neecp/Coco-biodiesel.pdf I would have to follow up on the translation. Regards -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 4:47 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Do you have a link to the phamplet? Chris Tan wrote: Hi Patrick, It's not that the government is not strict about standards. The government doesn't have a standard in the first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel for example, I tried contacting DoE about our government's standard but have not receive any concrete answer. And yet Senbel other two big chemical companies are already marketing their expensive biodiesel additive. They are dictated by big business or by the highest bidder. A pamphlet posted on DoE's website says that biodiesel cannot be made by cooperatives or such. Guess who they got the pamphlet from? From who else but Senbel. Regards, Chris -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Anthony Opaco *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi All, Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at the hands of the law. Probably I'll continue using E10 at my old car and will just fill my new car if the masses here would start patronizing E10, coz most of the time the gas station that I bought E10 doesn't have that much customers compared to the gas stations of Shell, Caltex (Chevron Texaco in the US) and Petron (a local venture that has a saudi partner). It's good to know that a lot of people around the world are using E10/E85, it's just that the standards here in the Philippines are not that strict. Like for example when you manufacture Ethanol, you guys there in the commercial level applies strict standards to ensure that the product you're selling is really good right? Here in the Philippines doesn't go that way. The issue I think here is more of the consumers confidence towards Ethanol because as I've said the standards here are not that super strict compared to for example the US. To Ramon - E10 is 10% Ethanol blend and 90% unleaded gasoline. I don't do the mixing, I buy it from one of the minor oil players here. The major players (Shell, Caltex and Petron) don't carry yet Ethanol in their products. By the way guys, how about the computer that is controlling the fuel system or whatever you call that... fuel intake of your car? That won't be messed up right if filling up E10? So to sum it all, E10 is just your ordinary unleaded fuel provided that strict measures/standards are enforced in manufacturing the said fuel? Regards, Patrick --- - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Title: RE: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Ive been reading up on this for past 3 years or so and its like this. There have been local studies on biodiesel for years. The government only took notice when they saw they could boost coconut industry (and their pockets). So they immediately tied up with the big chemical companies senbel, chemrez and ir chemls. But the resulting product is too expensive. So the gov tried to talk the big 3 oil companies into buying the product as additive but couldnt twist their arms because they say that the product has not been proven yet. So instead, gov and big 3 oil companies (and big car manufacturers) agreed to test the product and formulate a standard locally. Now shell has reason to be angry at gov for not following the agreed test protocols (what ever that may be) by submitting the product to US DoEs NREL.(see article below.) And so senbel, chemrez and ir chemls market their expensive product without a clear standard. Talk about talking to the wrong people. Big 3 cheml company say product is good to make sales. Big 3 oil company say product is bad because if it were good they will have to market less of their fuel therefore less sales. Regards I-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ike aguilar Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila hi to all i'm just wondering how the gov. approved to use the the biofuels without setting up with a standard, i,m really confused about this. Heres an article from Manila Bulletin DoE defies test protocols on CME By MYRNA M. VELASCO While they are chastised for not being receptive of the introduction of coco methyl ester (CME) as a blend to diesel products, the countrys giant oil companies have turned the table on the Department of Energy (DoE), noting that the latter defied test protocols earlier agreed upon to test the viability of the product. We have aired our concern that before we can accept CME as additive to our diesel, the product should undergo all series of tests, and all related infrastructure should also be addressed, one of the big oil companies stressed. The oil firms have also aired their concern about storage facility for the fuel since their depots in Pandacan have already been significantly scaled down. Another infrastructure-related problem they have reportedly brought up with the government is if the CME manufacturer would be willing to put up a pipeline so that the product could be dispatched directly at their depots. None of these has been addressed by DoE, they whined, noting that instead of talking to them, the latter preferred to take refuge by submitting the product for testing by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), an attached agency of the US Department of Energy. The oil firms have clarified that they do not have any objection about third party testing for the CME; but they emphasized that the test protocols they have proposed are the same process that the government sought with NREL. It would be recalled that the Philippine energy department engaged the help of its American counterpart agency in its bid to promote CME as alternative fuel for public transport in the country. It has been taken as part of the US governments commitment to help the Philippines in exploring and promoting alternative fuels that will not just generate cash savings; but will also cut down greenhouse gas emissions. In an interview with US-DoE officials in March, they have revealed that the Philippine CME testing may take an extension of three to four months, to better assess the stability of properties of the fuel and to ensure that it would not tear down or cause some corrosion in the engines when already used massively in vehicles. Due to some questions on its technical suitability to existing vehicle engines and other concerns such as on storage, the energy department claimed that it was prompted to seek an independent testing of the fuel; aside from the one that has already been undertaken by the Philippine Council for Industry Energy Research Development (PCIERD) of the Department of Science and Technology. CME is a substance derived from coconut oil. Based on technical tests, it was found viable to be used as a diesel additive or blend. DoE noted that further studies have shown that the use of CME as an additive or enhancer to diesel results in better combustion, less emission and more engine power to the vehicle. The guidelines for the promotion of CME as alternative fuel laid down by the DoE; as has been prescribed by Memorandum Circular 55 issued by Malacanang last year. As set out in the National CME Diesel Program, government offices are initially required to use 1.0-percent CME-blend in their diesel needs. DoE, being the lead implementing agency, has been required to coordinate with various government agencies and private sector
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hi Patrick, Its not that the government is not strict about standards. The government doesnt have a standard in the first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel for example, I tried contacting DoE about our governments standard but have not receive any concrete answer. And yet Senbel other two big chemical companies are already marketing their expensive biodiesel additive. They are dictated by big business or by the highest bidder. A pamphlet posted on DoEs website says that biodiesel cannot be made by cooperatives or such. Guess who they got the pamphlet from? From who else but Senbel. Regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Anthony Opaco Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi All, Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at the hands of the law. Probably I'll continue using E10 at my old car and will just fill my new car if the masses here would start patronizing E10, coz most of the time the gas station that I bought E10 doesn't have that much customers compared to the gas stations of Shell, Caltex (Chevron Texaco in the US) and Petron (a local venture that has a saudi partner). It's good to know that a lot of people around the world are using E10/E85, it's just that the standards here in the Philippines are not that strict. Like for example when you manufacture Ethanol, you guys there in the commercial level applies strict standards to ensure that the product you're selling is really good right? Here in the Philippines doesn't gothat way. The issue I think here is more of the consumers confidence towards Ethanol because as I've said the standards here are not that super strict compared to for example the US. To Ramon - E10 is 10% Ethanol blend and 90% unleaded gasoline. I don't do the mixing, I buy it from one of the minor oil players here. The major players (Shell, Caltex and Petron) don't carry yet Ethanol in their products. By the way guys, how about the computer that is controlling the fuel system orwhatever you callthat... fuel intake of your car? That won't be messed up right if filling up E10? So to sum it all, E10 is just your ordinary unleaded fuel provided that strict measures/standards are enforced in manufacturing the said fuel? Regards, Patrick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FW: biodiesel in the Philippines
To Tanuki, You might want to contact Angelito Aboag. -Original Message- From: Angelito Abaoag [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:53 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] start-up biodiesel project good day to all I've been reading all comments and inquiries to this group for the last 4 months. and thru the comments i learned a lot. we are currently conducting a feasibility of converting the high-fat waste by-products of slaughterhouse here in Manila, Philippines to a biodiesel. our estimate waste generation per day is around 5 tons. we are currently designing the conversion model pattern after several designs i got from several internet sites. my questions are 1) which is more feasible to create, a big unit or several units? in terms of safety, economics, etc and 2) we intend to use the diesel are fuel for generators rather than to cars, is it a wise choice? thank you lito abaoag eco-logic ventures inc manila, philippines Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Anthony Opaco Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:33 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel in the Philippines Hi Tanuki, You may want to partner with Seaoil Philippines. They are a minor oil player here. I don't think there's someone who's doing homebrewing let me just put it this way.. I feel that majority of the biodiesel users here in the Philippines buy their brew at the gas station (Seaoil, Flying V).. Probably some do homebrewing Regards, Patrick On 9/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to link up with people in the Philippines who are interested in the small scale biodiesel production.Had previously posted here because I noted a spot of Filipinos responding here.Anyone doing homebrewing in the Philippines? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- This is my email for mailing list purposes only. If you want to send a personal message to me please send it to anton.opaco AT gmail.com a href="" href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=20532amp;t=1">http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=20532amp;t=1 Get Firefox!/a ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Sorry guys but I'm referring to the Philippine DoE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:10 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila I don't know how much I would trust the DOE for certain things anyway... I trust that their historical data on energy is accurate, but the predictions, not so much. Have you looked at what they project the price of a barrel of oil to be in 15 years? Somewhere around $25. I suspect there is a certain amount of don't rock the boat mentality there.We've seen this mentality in the EPA, CIA, FBI, and other places, so why should we expect the DOE to be any different? I've worked for DOE, and to publish anything with it's name on it, you have to go through 20 levels of review -- the top ones which are often political appointees, and have an interest in not alarming the public, even if their scientists and researchers say there is a good chance that they should be scared. Zeke On 9/23/05, Leon Hulett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris and Patrick, I agree on your standards issue, the government can't make a standard. One time I searched and searched for the government's definition of standard. I couldn't find it and they said try ISO. I found that ISO doesn't mean standards it is a word in itself. To me a standard is a definite level of quality suitable for a specific defined purpose. I certainly didn't find anything like that. Maybe they finally filled in the blank somewheres. I took issue with the definition of food as well and wrote up something on that, but I don't think mine went over that well, it allowed vitamins and minerals in the definition. Leon - Original Message - From: Chris Tan To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: 9/23/05 11:09:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi Patrick, It's not that the government is not strict about standards. The government doesn't have a standard in the first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel for example, I tried contacting DoE about our government's standard but have not receive any concrete answer. And yet Senbel other two big chemical companies are already marketing their expensive biodiesel additive. They are dictated by big business or by the highest bidder. A pamphlet posted on DoE's website says that biodiesel cannot be made by cooperatives or such. Guess who they got the pamphlet from? From who else but Senbel. Regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Anthony Opaco Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi All, Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at the hands of the law. Probably I'll continue using E10 at my old car and will just fill my new car if the masses here would start patronizing E10, coz most of the time the gas station that I bought E10 doesn't have that much customers compared to the gas stations of Shell, Caltex (Chevron Texaco in the US) and Petron (a local venture that has a saudi partner). It's good to know that a lot of people around the world are using E10/E85, it's just that the standards here in the Philippines are not that strict. Like for example when you manufacture Ethanol, you guys there in the commercial level applies strict standards to ensure that the product you're selling is really good right? Here in the Philippines doesn't go that way. The issue I think here is more of the consumers confidence towards Ethanol because as I've said the standards here are not that super strict compared to for example the US. To Ramon - E10 is 10% Ethanol blend and 90% unleaded gasoline. I don't do the mixing, I buy it from one of the minor oil players here. The major players (Shell, Caltex and Petron) don't carry yet Ethanol in their products. By the way guys, how about the computer that is controlling the fuel system or whatever you call that... fuel intake of your car? That won't be messed up right if filling up E10? So to sum it all, E10 is just your ordinary unleaded fuel provided that strict measures/standards are enforced in manufacturing the said fuel? Regards, Patrick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http
