Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
I think the list has been little more than a news aggregator for a while now, and there are plenty of other means of achieving that. A chapter has closed for me personally, and without the cut and thrust of active debate and Keith's excellent moderation I think it may be a fitting time to call it a day. This is not a slight on the currently active members, but I personally am just receiving it out of nostalgia at this point. Anyway, that's my 2c... David ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Keith Addison passed away
Sincere condolences to you, Midori, and anyone who knew Keith. He has been an inspiration and helped spark my interest in many alternative technologies. David Penfold ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] IMF Survey: Iceland's Unorthodox Policies Suggest Alternative Way Out of Crisis
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2011/CAR110311A.htm As policymakers continue to grapple with the problems facing the crisis-hit countries in the euro area and the clouded outlook for the global economy, attention has turned to Iceland, which three years ago saw its entire banking system crumble in just a few days. Private creditors ended up shouldering most of the losses relating to the failed banks, and today Iceland is experiencing a moderate recovery. Unemployment is declining, and the government was able to return to the capital markets earlier this year. “What was seen as a disaster for Iceland three years ago is increasingly being seen as good fortune with the passing of time. Icelanders may have lost their financial system but instead they were spared the burden of nationalizing private debt,” said Árni Páll Árnason, Minister of the Economy. Just as Iceland’s financial crisis stands out in terms of its sheer scale, so does its unconventional path to recovery. “Iceland zigged when all the conventional wisdom was that it should zag,” Nobel Prize winner and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said at a conference in Reykjavik, aimed at distilling the lessons of the crisis and discussing the challenges ahead. Key to Iceland’s recovery has been an IMF-supported program worth $2.1 billion that ended in August this year. “The less travelled Icelandic route gained credibility in the eyes of the world through cooperation with the Fund,” Prime Minister Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir told the conference. Collective madness led to crisis “Iceland, in the decade and a half leading up to the crisis, was an example of collective madness,” said Willem Buiter, chief economist at Citigroup, a remark that elicited spontaneous applause from the more than 300 participants, many of them Icelandic policymakers, academics, and members of the public. Buiter was referring to Iceland’s banking system, which grew to be 10 times larger than the country’s economy in the span of just five years. Supporting three globally active banks beggars belief when your economy is the size of that of Iceland, with a population of just over 300,000, he said. The sheer scale of the economic collapse meant that Iceland was forced to think outside the box as it sought to address the crisis. The policies that were adopted included capital controls to prevent massive capital outflows and a disorderly depreciation of the exchange rate, allowing the banks to fail and not socializing the losses, and a decision not to tighten fiscal policy during the first year of the program, which helped protect the country’s welfare state, IMF resident representative Franek Rozwadowski said. The welfare state was used to soften the impact on households, and benefits were redirected to lower income groups, according to Stefán Ólafsson from the University of Iceland. The result was that inequality in Iceland actually decreased during the program, he said. Useful test case “Iceland’s heterodoxy gives us a test of economic doctrine,” Krugman said. Comparing Iceland to Ireland and Latvia (both members of the European Union), he argued that the former has fared much better than the latter in terms of growth and jobs. And despite warnings that economic Armageddon would follow Iceland’s decision not to accept liability for the losses of private banks, credit default swaps on sovereign debt are now much lower in Iceland than in Ireland, where the state assumed full responsibility for bank losses, he said. “Iceland has done fine in terms of regaining not total, but reasonable confidence in its sovereign debt. The idea that there would be a huge reputational penalty for allowing private sector parties to go bust and default on their external obligations has not turned out to be true.” Another Nobel Prize winner in economics, Professor Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University, also endorsed Iceland’s policy response. “What Iceland did was right. It would have been wrong to burden future generations with the mistakes of the financial system,” he said in pre-recorded remarks screened at the conference. Other speakers who strongly supported Iceland’s decision not to bail out the banks included MIT professor and former IMF chief economist Simon Johnson, who also warned that the world’s financial system remains “a big house of cards.” Capital controls remain bone of contention The question of how and when to lift the capital controls that were imposed in October 2008 elicited heated debate. Capital controls have proved to be an expensive mistake, and there still is no viable strategy for lifting them, Vilhjálmur Egilsson of the Confederation of Icelandic Employers said. This argument was supported by Jon Danielsson of the London School of Economics. Capital controls send the wrong signal to investors and are holding back recovery. They should not have been imposed in the first place, he argued.
[Biofuel] Study urges different grazing practices
File under No shi*t Sherlock http://www.seeddaily.com/reports/Study_urges_different_grazing_practices_999.html Rotational grazing of cattle on Brazil's native pasturelands could have benefits for both cattle and wildlife, U.S. researchers say. A study conducted by the Wildlife Conservation Society says grazing cattle in small areas for shorter periods before moving onto other pastures results in a greater forage base and larger, more valuable cattle. The practice also reduces incentives for deforestation, uncontrolled burning and replacement of native vegetation with exotic grasses, a conservation society release said Tuesday. The study showed the forage base of native grasses in Brazil's Pantanal and Cerrado regions was greater in areas that were rotationally grazed and produced cattle that were 15 percent heavier. The results of this study show a potential win-win situation for the Pantanal and Cerrado's ranches and wildlife, study lead author Donald Parsons Eaton of the conservation society said. Using rotational grazing techniques will produce healthier cattle for ranchers and help safeguard wildlife that call home to this incredibly biodiverse region. Many areas in the region have already been converted to large-scale, non-sustainable ranching operations, replacing native forests and savannas with exotic grasses. While producing high profits in the short term, the technique leaves behind an impoverished, deforested landscape prone to erosion and drought that threatens wildlife conservation, cattle health and herd production, the study said. It seems similar to what Joel Salatin and others have been advocating for a long time. David -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110516/5fdf2697/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Researchers develop more powerful biofuel alternative to ubiquitous Ethanol
I guess the usual proviso of let's wait and see if they can make it commercially applies, but this seems pretty interesting: http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/researchers-develop-more-powerful-biofuel-alt Researchers say they have developed a method of using bacteria to convert decaying grass directly into a compound known as isobutanol, which can be burned in regular car engines with a heat value higher than ethanol but similar to gasoline. The research could mean great savings in processing costs and time, plus isobutanol is a higher grade of alcohol than ethanol, according to the Department of Energy's BioEnergy Science Center (BESC) and its Oak Ridge National Laboratory where the research is being done. Using a bio break-down method known as consolidated bioprocessing, a research team led by James Liao of the University of California at Los Angeles for the first time produced isobutanol directly from cellulose, the DOE said in a release. Unlike ethanol, isobutanol can be blended at any ratio with gasoline and should eliminate the need for dedicated infrastructure in tanks or vehicles, said Liao, chancellor's professor and vice chair of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering at the UCLA Henry Samueli School of Engineering and Applied Science. Plus, it may be possible to use isobutanol directly in current engines without modification. Compared to ethanol, higher alcohols such as isobutanol are better candidates for gasoline replacement because they have an energy density, octane value and Reid vapor pressure - a measurement of volatility - that is much closer to gasoline, Liao said in a statement. You can read the paper, Metabolic Engineering of Clostridium Cellulolyticum for Isobutanol Production from Cellulose, here. http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/AEM.02454-10v1?maxtoshow=hits=10RESULTFORMAT=fulltext=Metabolic+Engineering+of+Clostridium+Cellulolyticum+for+Isobutanol+Production+from+Cellulosesearchid=1FIRSTINDEX=0resourcetype=HWCIT Producing biofuels directly from cellulose, known as consolidated bioprocessing, is believed to reduce costs substantially compared to a process in which cellulose degradation and fermentation to fuel are accomplished in separate steps. Here we present a metabolic engineering example to develop a Clostridium cellulolyticum strain for isobutanol synthesis directly from cellulose. This strategy exploits the host's natural cellulolytic activity and the amino acid biosynthetic pathway and diverts its 2-keto acid intermediates for alcohol synthesis. Specifically, we have demonstrated the first isobutanol production to approximately 660 mg/L from crystalline cellulose using this microorganism. David -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110310/64bd4428/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gun Crazy
I'm a little bit worried about people being branded Gun Crazy if they have guns. I have several guns, which are kept in a secure locker. I live in a very rural area of France near Switzerland and see my neighbours hunting. I'm not into that myself, but I'm not a townie come to tell them how to live their lives. My rationale for owning guns is that I think the future may be quite fraught with Peak Oil and other potential converging catastrophes, and the potential economic and societal consequences. I have a few acres and am slowly building up my edible forest garden (and will incorporate livestock when I finally give up the day job), but I fear there may one day be a time when we need to defend ourselves as society breaks down (as many have before). If it doesn't happen in my lifetime, great. I'll just keep shooting bits of paper down the range occasionally. If it does, I hope that the community can come together to help redistribute the land to create smaller near-subsistence farms for a lot of urban emigrants. It is only natural that in this scenario you would want to defend your community. I'm a bit of an anarchist and would like to help the local community arrive at some sort of local governance in such a scenario. But we would need to defend ourselves. Hence my arms (the Spanish anarchists were betrayed by the communists into giving up their arms, btw). I'm not even sure if I could use them in anger, but I think the rationale is sound. In the meantime I intend to carry on slowly implementing permaculture(ish) principles and just getting on with life. Hopefully it will be an example for my neighbours. It's all just insurance for a potentially volatile future scenario. Ciao, David -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110113/831f90f7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] greenhouse farming
These chaps do geodesic greenhouses: http://www.geodesic-greenhouse-kits.com/features.php They're hideously expensive, but I think you could incorporate some of the properties into a far simpler passive solar design. David -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20101201/2b704fc3/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Piracy!!!
And there was me thinking I'd finally found a reputable online supplier... ;-) Hi Robin Yes, piracy, Dawie's email address got phished, if that's the word, hijacked. Strange, the message reached you and me but it didn't make it into the list archives. I wonder if Dawie knows she is selling drugs? Dawie's a he, not a she. All best Keith -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100730/0d8633fa/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Key oil figures were distorted by US pressure, says whistleblower
Keith, I know your usual response is to say that a lot of peak oilers are crazy carrying capacity nutters, but it's also embraced by the BNP. So let's just ignore them both. We need to press the urgency of this issue for sustainable change. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/peak-oil-international-energy-agency The world is much closer to running out of oil than official estimates admit, according to a whistleblower at the International Energy Agency who claims it has been deliberately underplaying a looming shortage for fear of triggering panic buying. The senior official claims the US has played an influential role in encouraging the watchdog to underplay the rate of decline from existing oil fields while overplaying the chances of finding new reserves. The allegations raise serious questions about the accuracy of the organisation's latest World Energy Outlook on oil demand and supply to be published tomorrow – which is used by the British and many other governments to help guide their wider energy and climate change policies. In particular they question the prediction in the last World Economic Outlook, believed to be repeated again this year, that oil production can be raised from its current level of 83m barrels a day to 105m barrels. External critics have frequently argued that this cannot be substantiated by firm evidence and say the world has already passed its peak in oil production. Now the peak oil theory is gaining support at the heart of the global energy establishment. The IEA in 2005 was predicting oil supplies could rise as high as 120m barrels a day by 2030 although it was forced to reduce this gradually to 116m and then 105m last year, said the IEA source, who was unwilling to be identified for fear of reprisals inside the industry. The 120m figure always was nonsense but even today's number is much higher than can be justified and the IEA knows this. Many inside the organisation believe that maintaining oil supplies at even 90m to 95m barrels a day would be impossible but there are fears that panic could spread on the financial markets if the figures were brought down further. And the Americans fear the end of oil supremacy because it would threaten their power over access to oil resources, he added. A second senior IEA source, who has now left but was also unwilling to give his name, said a key rule at the organisation was that it was imperative not to anger the Americans but the fact was that there was not as much oil in the world as had been admitted. We have [already] entered the 'peak oil' zone. I think that the situation is really bad, he added. The IEA acknowledges the importance of its own figures, boasting on its website: The IEA governments and industry from all across the globe have come to rely on the World Energy Outlook to provide a consistent basis on which they can formulate policies and design business plans. The British government, among others, always uses the IEA statistics rather than any of its own to argue that there is little threat to long-term oil supplies. The IEA said tonight that peak oil critics had often wrongly questioned the accuracy of its figures. A spokesman said it was unable to comment ahead of the 2009 report being released tomorrow. John Hemming, the MP who chairs the all-party parliamentary group on peak oil and gas, said the revelations confirmed his suspicions that the IEA underplayed how quickly the world was running out and this had profound implications for British government energy policy. He said he had also been contacted by some IEA officials unhappy with its lack of independent scepticism over predictions. Reliance on IEA reports has been used to justify claims that oil and gas supplies will not peak before 2030. It is clear now that this will not be the case and the IEA figures cannot be relied on, said Hemming. This all gives an importance to the Copenhagen [climate change] talks and an urgent need for the UK to move faster towards a more sustainable [lower carbon] economy if it is to avoid severe economic dislocation, he added. The IEA was established in 1974 after the oil crisis in an attempt to try to safeguard energy supplies to the west. The World Energy Outlook is produced annually under the control of the IEA's chief economist, Fatih Birol, who has defended the projections from earlier outside attack. Peak oil critics have often questioned the IEA figures. But now IEA sources who have contacted the Guardian say that Birol has increasingly been facing questions about the figures inside the organisation. Matt Simmons, a respected oil industry expert, has long questioned the decline rates and oil statistics provided by Saudi Arabia on its own fields. He has raised questions about whether peak oil is much closer than many have accepted. A report by the UK Energy Research Council (UKERC) last month said worldwide production of conventionally extracted oil could peak and go into terminal decline before
Re: [Biofuel] Key oil figures were distorted by US pressure, says whistleblower
I read Matt Simmons' book, and I have to say he makes a compelling case for Saudi Arabia. It's depressing. But, we'll NEVER run out of oil if we simply stop using it! Hmmm, if everyone thought the same way, I'd agree. But Jevons Paradox has been used to say that overall this will not be the case. I believe we, globally, will continue using oil as fast as it can be pumped for the forseeable future, despite individual attempts to reduce consumption. It's just the nature of the capitalist beast. But, I also believe that the silver lining in all this is that peak oil may help mitigate climate change, if we can stop the move towards tar sands an 'clean coal', with the requireed political will. But saying this may just be contradicting what I said above... I guess this will onl become clear in hindsight. Dave. _ Keep your friends updated—even when you’re not signed in. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_5:092010 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20091110/6ca2dc6a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] On climate, leading from the front (for a change)
I'm guessing that a major reason why leaders are addressing the issue is because they are aware of the potential consequences of peak oil. Rather than addressing the issue directly, they use climate change as a cloak for reducing fossil fuel usage. I'm not saying climate change isn't real, just that the rather curious consensus amongst our leaders may be due to having to deal with peak oil. I doubt they can address this issue right now because it would mean calling into question the growth-based paradigm behind capitalism. David Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:29:07 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] On climate, leading from the front (for a change) To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed http://www.grist.org/article/2009-10-07-on-climate-leading-from-the-front-for-a-change/ LETTER FROM EUROPE On climate, leading from the front (for a change) 7 OCT 2009 BY GEOFFREY LEAN Something unusual seems to be happening in the struggle to wake the world up to the reality of climate change. Almost unprecedented for an environmental issue, national leaders appear to be out ahead of public opinion in their respective countries. President Obama has made climate action one of his top priorities after health care. Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister, is spending much of his time trying to lay the grounds for a successful deal at December's climate conference in Copenhagen, while his chief rival, Conservative Party leader David Cameron (expected to succeed him after national elections in the spring) has made combatting global warming a signature issue. President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, an unexpected environmentalist, is backing a carbon tax. The recently reelected German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has long been in the vanguard of moves to tackle climate change. The new Japanese prime minister, Yukio Hatoyama, announced a stringent target for carbon cuts as one of his first acts after being elected last month. And Kevin Rudd, Australia's leader, has likewise radically overturned the obstructionist position of his predecessor. Yet not one of these leaders has been under great pressure from their citizens to get serious about global warming. Though there is plenty of evidence that the majority of people in their countries accept climate change as a reality and think that something should be done to tackle it, there is little sign of an overwhelming demand for urgent action. Indeed, Gordon Brown and his ministers have often privately urged green NGOs to mobilize a mass campaign so as to give them the political space to act. The paradox is even more marked in some rapidly industrializing countries in the developing world, where there is even less sign of popular pressure. Yet, Mexico's president, Felipe Calderon, is preparing a detailed offer to cut the growth in his country's carbon emissions to place on the table in Copenhagen. Hu Jintao, meanwhile, chose to make the first-ever speech by a Chinese president to the UN General Assembly at last month's climate summit. Even Manmohan Singh, prime minister of the hitherto somewhat recalcitrant India, has ordered a more internationalist approach, telling ministers: We may not have caused the problem, but we must be part of the solution. This leadership of the leaders is welcome, but it has its limitations, most obviously in the United States where the constitutional separation of powers makes senators responding to their respective states' interests prove a powerful obstacle. But other countries are not immune from political inaction. The embattled Gordon Brown is getting no measurable political uplift from his work on climate change, while a sympathetic Conservative backbencher says that support for David Cameron's sincere concern is paper thin in his parliamentary party. Yet the leaders surely need not be isolated, for despite a vocal skeptic minority, solid majorities in developed countries, at least, understand that climate change is real, is caused by human activity and requires action. Eighty-five percent of Britons, polls show, are convinced that global warming is already a threat or will become so soon. Sixty-seven percent of Australians back their government's Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, even though it has run into trouble in parliament. And 83 percent of Democrats and 53 percent of Republicans in the United States have told pollsters that they believe global warning is already happening. So why does this not turn into intense political pressure? One reason seems to be that much of the concern is still relatively soft and has not been translated into action even on a personal level. In the United States, one survey found that just 18 percent of respondents were alarmed enough to be doing
Re: [Biofuel] U. S. Head of Military Intelligence Publically States 9/11 was Staged Event
Over 100 steel framed buildings have suffered major fires, many much worse, yet none have collapsed. All three buildings on 9/11 fell through what should have been the path of greatest resistance ? thousands of tons of steel ? resulting in total dismemberment. This would require precisely timed removal of critical columns, which office fires cannot accomplish.Well, you omit to mention that the two main buildings were also hit by planes, at different heights, and that the one hit later, lower, fell first. Both fell from the point of impact of the planes. Now, I'm no expert, but I'd guess that this means the height of the plane impacts had something to do with the structural damage and the stress on the buildings, and the relative weight above meant that the one that hit lower fell first. Of course, the experts behind this could have arranged this all, and ensured that the planes hit the right point where the explosives were to go off, or it could have been holograms... I'm not suggesting that some agency wasn't aware of what was about to happen, and they could have used it to bury records in WTC7, it's just that I'm not convinced that the two main buildings were brought down by anything other than the planes. If you think otherwise, please include the fact that the buildings fell from the point of impact into your theory. David _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090910/b55238bd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Collecter Windows
I'm not sure how this is any better than a trombe wall or other passive solar techniques. Given that the sun is high in the sky in summer, if you design a building with large south-facing windows and a ledge or similar above it (and slightly towards the sides, especially west, during summer), it will allow sunlight in during the autumn and winter, whilst avoiding direct insolation in summer. Coupled with an internal high thermal mass, and external insulation (e.g. clay and straw bale design with lime rendering, even using the straw bales as structural elements) you achieve a low-cost, high efficiency house with water vapour permeability (avoiding the need for mechanical ventilation) using locally available materials (for the most part). For me it is snake oil, given the readily-available alternatives. David Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:11:19 -0700 From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Collecter Windows To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Keith Addison[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI - of any interest? (Not that I'm about to add it to my, uh, product line.) This was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - did you actually request it? Sounds like snake oil to me, so I'm curious if they sent it unsolicited... They only brag about it being used in a few places here and there, and they say two studies were done, but I only found one from Texas AM. They throw around some numbers and equations, but there's not a lot of hard experimental data. Down a ways, under '4 Conclusions' they say that this whole study was a simulation. Not that a simulation can't be a good approximation, but it's no substitute when it's the only thing you have. At least for something that should be fairly straightforward to test in the real world. I'm not impressed. The thing is, it sounds like a good idea. Something that will reflect heat in one direction only and you can reverse it depending on what you need. Sounds like a good, efficient solution that doesn't require high tech manufacturing. But I'm very suspicious of this company - it just doesn't smell right. Erik -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ End of Sustainablelorgbiofuel Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22 ** _ Share your memories online with anyone you want. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.aspx?tab=1 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090820/46d79390/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FAO SurpriseShan2
Keith, I wasn't trying to get her contributions banned, merely to get her to be a bit more selective. But, yes, I guess I can just delete. I have actually found some of her stuff quite interesting. It was an allergic reaction, and I guess it was out of order. So ignore my little rant... David From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sustainablelorgbiofuel Digest, Vol 23, Issue 12 To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:10:09 +0200 Send Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list submissions to sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Sustainablelorgbiofuel digest... Today's Topics: 1. Lilly Sold Drug for Dementia Knowing It Didn?t Help ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Re: FAO SurpriseShan2 (Keith Addison) 3. Re: FAO SurpriseShan2 (Adrian Higgs) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:34:11 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FAO SurpriseShan2 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Thankyou Michelle, indeed so, well put. David, I have subscribed for some time now without much, if any contribution. There is a variety of topics posted here for discussion. Many of which I delete without reading, but I am thankful these people are allowed to post and share their knowledge and/or concern for things they think we should be aware of. Many of these readers/contributors have a niche in a certain interest or topic that would take me lifetimes of reading, research, and understanding to acquire. I am thankful they are allowed to post. On occasion I feel it necessary to speak up and defend the posts because I have learned so much from this website. I am thankful for the broad and specific, on topic and off topic, and the ever enriching environment that is encouraged. Michele From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:25:24 +0200 Subject: [Biofuel] FAO SurpriseShan2 With all due respect, while I'm sure your posts are of interest to us all, I'm not sure of the relevance to the raison d'etre of this list. It's a sustainability list really, and so it must deal with non-sustainability too, and there are all these grey areas where the various issues merge into each other. Energy affects just about everything, lots of dots to join up, you can start just about anywhere, it's all connected. Where one draws the relevance line depends on your point of view, and with a worldwide membership not many people would draw it in the same place. (That's part of its strength.) Much better to leave it open than to try to restrict it. There was a lot of fighting about this eight or nine years ago, and that was the consensus in the end. It's in the list rules: No calls for restricted discussion. It's a discussion list, not a less-discussion list. No topic-cops. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70818.html [Biofuel] List rules With open discussion nobody's deprived of anything, but trying to keep the discussions strictly on-topic would deprive those who don't see it that way. Also, the highly useful list archives would have much less depth than it's accumulated through open discussion. Anyway, nobody's forced to read anything, messages have subject titles, if you're not interested don't read them. Personally, it's like a flashback to all my mother's emails from Dr Briffa. At least I could tell her to stop. :-) Or just not read them. See http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg21651.html. All best Keith No offence meant, David _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090618/6bdef19a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FAO SurpriseShan2
With all due respect, while I'm sure your posts are of interest to us all, I'm not sure of the relevance to the raison d'etre of this list. Personally, it's like a flashback to all my mother's emails from Dr Briffa. At least I could tell her to stop. No offence meant, David _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A Food System That Kills - Swine Flu Is Meat Industry's Latest Plague
Wonderful stuff Keith. I just thought I'd chime in to say that your information collation and dissemination is second to none. Your archives are a great resource. I've been hanging around for a decade now, so I thought it was possibly time to let you know that your work is invaluable to me and no doubt to others. Cheers, Dave _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090506/9b2aa713/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Monbiot: Peasantry necessary for human survival
Why do you say that? My first encounter with Monbiot was his book Captive State about the corporate takeover of Britain, in 2000. He was hardly likely even then to say let's have big farms so we can regulate them more easily. Regards, David Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:27:43 + (GMT) From: Dawie Coetzee Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Monbiot: Peasantry necessary for human survival To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sense from Monbiot! I'd have expected him to take the let's have big farms so we can regulate them more easily line - though he has been showing signs of waking up recently. -Dawie _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an 'ex' Peak Oil believer
Keith, I'm confused as to the relevance of abiotic over biotic sources of oil. Given that Hubbert predicted the decline of US fields, I think his approach may be relevant for any given field, whether abiotic or biotic. Even if the source were to be abiotic, I think the problem is resource depletion. Given our timescales, I would say that arguing over the where oil comes from is a moot point as fields tend to show similar output curves. Reserve growth or replenishment doesn't appear to have any solid foundation in history (although I'd be glad to be proven wrong). If oil is abiotic, it has still had many millions of years to form. At our current rate of usage, I don't think easily accessible fields will just renew themselves. I guess the only difference would be that there may be sources elsewhere where the western geologists haven't looked, due to their assumptions over where the deposits may lie. This doesn't seem to change the theory of peak oil (for a given field) for me. It's true that there are some elements in the peak oil crowd who have a dieoff agenda. But these are not in the majority, even if they are vociferous. I don't think that believing that oil will follow a traditional hubbert curve is necessarily either a scam from the oil companies or a reason to dribble over forced population reduction. It can also help individuals to decide for themselves that a more local and appropriate use of resources is the only way forward. Believe me, there are many who frequent the peak oil forums who have come to this conclusion. I'll leave it at that for now. Best Regards, David _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Micro Ethanol Production?
Stratis, have you tried David Blume's Alcohol Can Be a Gas!? Despite the offputting title, the book does contain a wealth of information on setting up a distillery, including heat exchanger design and designing a plant for scalability. David Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:28:54 -0600 From: Stratis Bahaveolos Subject: [Biofuel] Micro Ethanol Production? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know where I can find information about producing small amounts of ethanol? I'm looking to explore a business concept. Produce small amounts locally, sell locally. Something in the 100,000 - 300,000 gallons per year range. Anyone done this before? Know someone what has? I see lots of plan for personal setup's but nothing that will scale. Thanks in advance for any help. Stratis _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Sustainable Subsoiler and Other Questions
Keith, I've recently bought 10 acres in France and am trying to plan an integrated farm (as well as get my largely irrelevant French farming qualifications required to be a farmer here). Anyway, one of my problems is that I have very compacted clay and need to use a subsoiler. I don't want to invest in a tractor. I saw that you used one on the farm in Japan. Was it a tractor-pulled one or using some other form of energy? Do non-tractor driven subsoilers even exist? I haven't been able to find any information on them, I was considering driving posts into the ground and pulling a subsoiler to the post using an engine fixed to the post and a very strong cord of some sort (it seems potentially dangerous). Has anybody looked into such alternative arrangements? Another question. I've been wondering what alternatives exist for feeding chickens. I think you were wondering about whether potatoes and their peelings could do the job. How did this go? I've planted fifteen chestnut trees at 10-metre spacing, as these seem to have the right protein-carbohydrate balance for poultry. Before I go and plant any more, I would like to verify their suitability as a food source for poultry. Anyone? If not, I guess we could eat them ourselves. I may use wood pyrolysis for running an old tractor if I actually do end up needing a tractor. Has anyone here actually managed it? Is the power really only 1/3 of what the engine would produce using petrol (or alcohol)? Does anyone here have any real-world experience of using this expedient technology? Thanks for the inspiring work (and answering the questions that I'm only just starting to ask myself), David _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Alcohol Cure
That article doesn't address the need to reduce global energy usage. There is no way we could continue using energy to the same extent we do. Peak Oil will see to that. Appropriating biomass and agricultural products as the article suggests is not realistic unless we address the pwerdown requirements. Furthermore, it looks like another attempt to perpetuate some big business interests. This is not the way forward IMO. Life in the future will be sustainable whether we like it or not. Looking at a local low energy requirement solution appears to be the way forward, not some fantasy solution that is unsustainable without fossil fuel input. /D Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:03:46 -0500 From: Alan Petrillo Subject: [Biofuel] The Alcohol Cure To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGQ2OTA5ZGM1Y2Y2NGE1OTVlYzA3MDNlZGFkYTk0OGM= AP _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] October 77% OFF
Is such growth sustainable? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:38:50 +0200 From: VIAGRA ® Official Site biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] October 77% OFF To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071204/f56676dc/attachment.html _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+worldmkt=en-USform=QBRE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071205/a2e3e4a0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Great Collection of PDF files about farming, agriculture and more
If you want literally thousands of documents on similar subjects and far more, try this: http://www.cd3wd.com/ There's currently about 14Gb worth on there. I think they're all public domain as well. Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:38:50 -0400 From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Great Collection of PDF files about farming, agriculture and more To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 doug swanson wrote: http://www.librum.us/pdfs/index.htm Page contents: Nice collection; However, First one I looked at quote: All rights reserved. No part of this publication ma) be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopy, recording, or any information storage and retrieval system, without the written permission of the publisher. and I found no such permission. I've tried a couple of times to collect such a stack of write ups, and format them as pdf and simple html v.1 and rollup a cd with an index, but at the end of the day, if it isn't public domain, similarly free, you just can't do it. Can't as in, May not. _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tamba diary
Keith, If you want a more permanent means of predator dissuasion, the Pastore Maremmano dog is an excellent guard for pigs, sheep, goats, chickens and donkeys. It has even been introduced to Middle Island, Australia to protect a dwindling penguin population: http://www.warrnambool.vic.gov.au/page/page.asp?page_Id=527 --- Penguin numbers up after world-first maremma trial - 13/12/2006 Little penguins, nearly driven to extinction on Middle Island, have almost tripled in number at the conclusion of the world-first maremma guardian dog trail this week. Warrnambool Mayor Cr David Atkinson said initial results from the penguin protection trial were promising with little penguins returning to the island. Numbers were up from 27 to 70 at the most recent count. We are still to go over the results of the trial thoroughly but we are extremely enthusiastic about the positive impact the maremma guardian dog seems to have had on the safety and security of the penguins and shearwaters on Middle Island,#65533; Cr Atkinson said. Penguin numbers dropped dramatically from almost 2000 to under 100 due to attacks by foxes and stray dogs wandering onto the island. ... Middle Island has been reopened to the public. snip I was chatting offlist with Kirk about traps and stuff, and decided to bring it back onlist: snip _ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc
Thor, it's not overly sensitive to dislike insinuations that you would be perfectly happy to use nuclear bombs on a whole region in order to get your oil. You're a small-minded idiot. Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:58:24 -0700 From: Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work is done From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Paul, I personally don't have any problem in believing that both Islamism and Neo-conservatism are messed-up ideologies (driven by religious intolerance on both sides and greed on one). There's no need to draw an either/or conclusion. Islam has been waging wars of conquest on its borders for a long time. However, with the US, they have a focus, an excuse. This doesn't mean that the US Government is right in its motives either. Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:54:47 -0400 From: Paul Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I do not agree with your statement. From my understanding of the word, bullying is for a more powerful entity to use their power to harass a less powerful entity. I do not believe that terrorists can bully the US because the terrorists are the underdogs. Also, I do not agree with the philosophy of do not walk away because he will just shoot you in the back. That sounds a lot like stay the course. I believe that some of the terrorists are rational human beings that see terrorism as the only option to accomplish their goals. If the US would address some of the wrongs that we have inflicted on them, then maybe the sacrifice would not be worth it. But, I have never talked to a terrorist face to face. I am making assumptions. I guess that it is possible that they are all psychos who just want to hurt the US because they are jealous of our power. I recently got in an argument with a co-worker about the stay the course philosophy. He said that if we left Iraq then all of those soldiers would have died for nothing. (I pointed out that he forgot about all those Iraqis that would have died for nothing also) I retorted that I do not believe in throwing lives at something just because so many lives have already been thrown. -Paul Webber snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Castor Beans
Castor still has the Ricin problem. can any one let me know how to destroy this by product in the mash? snip Apparently the oil is safe, however The pomace, or cake remaining after the oil is pressed out, is poisonous to livestock but can be used for fertilizer. See http://www.castoroil.in/ for all you need to know about castor oil. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Re: Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
http://archive.greenpeace.org/ozone/excuse/ It seems that a Stirling Engine refrigeration unit would theoretically be ideal (in that no chemicals are involved and they are durable). However, sourcing one at a decent price will be a challenge. Anyway, it's something to research. I know that in normal use a stirling engine can use basically any heat source, but as a cooler I think it needs rotary input on the crank to generate the temperature differential, so direct solar energy would not be appropriate. David _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
not copied over). It was sent to my registered e-Mail address. I then went into my options and changed to digest (which obviously hasn't kicked in yet) as well as changing my password. David From: grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:25:59 -0400 At 08:06 PM 9/8/2004, you wrote: There is a Daily Digest option, a single email containing all that day's messages. But Daily Digests are not a good way of doing it, they only look like a good way at first, but they make the information less accessible, not more.. If want to choose this option anyway, how do I go about it since I am already subscribed? I don't want to subscribe twice. Do I have/need a password? Caroline ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: warning for yahoogroups - yahoo accounts
As an aside, having been part of the biofuel group before conversion to Yahoo, I am receiving my e-Mails fine. However, after having visited the yahoo.com/mygroups and created a Yahoo groups account, I noticed that it would not let me subscribe to any further yahoo groups without converting my current hotmail e-Mail account to a yahoo one (i.e. creating a yahoo e-Mail account). Does this mean that any new biofuel subscribers have to use a yahoo e-Mail account to receive the postings? If so, is there any way of changing this? David warning for yahoogroups _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981322358/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: GAS-L: The cellulose to ethanol dream again.
Here is a recent (May 2000) study: http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn9514256611/isbn9514256611.pdf David Penfold From: Tom Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of Keith Addison) Reply-To: biofuel@egroups.com To: biofuel@egroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: GAS-L: The cellulose to ethanol dream again. Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:10:40 +0900 Organosolv pulping of straws and other non-wood fibers was a favorite of my old prof Dr. Kyosti Saarkenen (University of Washington) in the late 70's. Does anyone have a recent review of organosolv pulping or hydrolysis? I'd like to know how far it has advanced. Regards, Tom Miles At 04:53 AM 11/29/00 -0200, Antonio G. P. Hilst wrote: Dear Tom. Harry and All, Take a look at organosolv hydrolisys: 10 min. reaction time, 70 % + glucose and xylose recovery, almost complete (95+%) biomass conversion, furfural and acetic acid recoverable with the organic solvent, HMF (Hydroxy Methyl Furfural) also. Antonio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Harry et al: Thank you for your repeat warning to the non-dreamers of this world. Cellulose hydrolysis was a done deal in the laboratory in 1900. During WWI a plant or two were built and torn down ASAP when the war ended. Same WWII. In my 25 years of monitoring various fuel options, I have seen startup plants probably yearly with great fanfare then nothing. Good for stock scams. Bad for energy. If acid hydrolysis fails, then enzymatic is touted; if enzymatic fails, then acid hyrdolysis is back in.. It is too bad that NREL doesn't have to be accountable for the millions they have spent on ethanol from cellulose over the last two decades. Beautiful plants that go nowhere. And don't forget, cellulose is only 50% of the biomass. Gasificaiton converts 100% to syngas and doesn't care much about the form. Efficiencies to methanol will be in excess of 50%. UUUCH TOM REEDBEF CPC In a message dated 11/19/00 6:33:55 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Dave and all, Cellulose hydrolysis has self-documented its own failure many many times = for over 50 years. There is no new science and engineering by which to = expect any changes in that dark future. There are inherrent limitations = of mass transfer rates, irreversible chemical reactions, and mechanical = complexity that constrain commercial success for cellulose hydrolysis of = woody materials, as I have said before to this forum. =20 If you MUST go from MSW to liquid fuel use a gasifier to convert the MSW = into CO and H2 and then react them produce either diesel fuel via FT = synthesis, or methanol for fuel. There is also a proven process that = converts methanol into high-octane gasoline. It is better just to burn MSW for boiler fuel in small local units, and = then gasify coal on a very large-scale for liquid fuels as needed. Coal = gasification is already commercial for petrochemicals at Kingsport Tenn. = Before coal is gasified commercially for transportaion fuels, natural = gas and natural gas liquids will be reformed/gasified for FT synthesis = into transportation fuels. This conversion is an area of active = planning and engineering by several major energy companies today. Shell = already has a commercial plant in Malaysia that produces premium no-S = no-N diesel fuel from natural gas and natural gas liquids. =20 Thanks for renewing the discussion of cellulose hydrolysis. Its = continued failure needs to be repeated for this group every few months. Harry The Gasification List is sponsored by USDOE BioPower Program http://www.eren.doe.gov/biopower/ and PRM Energy Systems http://www.prmenergy.com _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/975600557/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Methane Digester / Ethanol Questions
Dear Steve, thanks for your reply, but I don't think I was very clear in my question. The basic biomass I'm looking at is manure. My question was whether there are any feasible reaction(s) that can convert methane to ethanol (given that the digester is a relatively simple process). Alternatively, what realistic processes are there for converting manure to ethanol? Is gasification the best starting point, or is the moisture level too high in manure? I'm aware of corn-based and paper-sludge-based processes, but not manure. Please bear with me for now, regards, David Penfold From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... A methane digester produces methane, not ethanol. You can distill ethanol, then throw the leftovers into the methane digester. The leftovers from that can be used to grow new material to be distilled. the methane can be used for the heat for both processes, and the ethanol for motor/generator fuel. (ethanol is more suitable for mobile use than methane) --- In biofuel@egroups.com, David Penfold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm very new to this biofuel business and am just looking at the feasibility of certain processes I'd dreampt up. One of my goals is to eventually have a methane digester system which produces ethanol. For the minute, the quickest route to this appears to be using the output nutrients of the digester to grow the likes of sugar beet. This is then fermented and distilled. In this scenario, the methane itself is not directly used. The process is also fairly long-winded (groan). I would like to know if anyone knows of processes that can create ethanol from the methane itself. Thanks, David Penfold __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/837408/_/975611445/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Methane Digester / Ethanol Questions
Dear Steve, thanks for your reply. I think my wording was a bit garbled, so I'll rephrase it. The basic biomass I'm looking at is manure. My question was whether there are any feasible reaction(s) that can convert methane to ethanol (given that the digester is a relatively simple process). Alternatively, what realistic processes are there for converting manure to ethanol? Is gasification the best starting point, or is the moisture level too high in manure? I'm aware of corn-based and paper-sludge-based processes, but not manure. Please bear with me for now, regards, David Penfold From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... A methane digester produces methane, not ethanol. You can distill ethanol, then throw the leftovers into the methane digester. The leftovers from that can be used to grow new material to be distilled. the methane can be used for the heat for both processes, and the ethanol for motor/generator fuel. (ethanol is more suitable for mobile use than methane) --- In biofuel@egroups.com, David Penfold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm very new to this biofuel business and am just looking at the feasibility of certain processes I'd dreampt up. One of my goals is to eventually have a methane digester system which produces ethanol. For the minute, the quickest route to this appears to be using the output nutrients of the digester to grow the likes of sugar beet. This is then fermented and distilled. In this scenario, the methane itself is not directly used. The process is also fairly long-winded (groan). I would like to know if anyone knows of processes that can create ethanol from the methane itself. Thanks, David Penfold __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/837408/_/975587187/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
