Re: [biofuel] Handy all Measurement Conversion Tool
for any user with a browser, use google. 'search' google for something like: 2 + 2 74 F to C 270 degrees to radians 1.4 km to miles 55 gallons to litres 1 picometer to yards (17+(sqrt(4.78))*578.3 the list goes on... google even provides minimal documentation Different People wrote: For Mac users, this one is excellent - shareware, does everything. http://fifthwave.com/products.htm Fifth Wave Products Convert or Convert 2 I personally like this online conversion: http://www.onlineconversion.com/ You can convert just about anything, and I have seen measurements there, that I have never heard of before. This is an .exe file that installs on your desktop or you can have it open in a directory/folder. Someone posted it here a while ago and I find that it is very useful when I need to convey to people in the US volumes that I only have in metric measurements. http://www.joshmadison.com/software/convert/ Other conversion tools are : http://convert.french-property.co.uk/ http://www.teaching-english-in-japan.net/conversion/celsius With all of these there is no way that anyone will not be able to make any volume conversion in,or from either imperial,US or metric back to either of the above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Conversion Tables from/to metric to US or Imperial
I found a site like that too... google.com !! you'd be surprised what google can convert for you. here are some examples to put into that 'search' box you probably use already: 263 miles to kilometers 15 km/h to mph 173 cm to leagues 22/7 (getting hungry?) 2 oz to cc 100 c to f 100 c to k 0 k to f 0 k to c (523+17)^2/(sqrt(-37)*723) 300 degrees to radians 32 nanometers to yards -detrick biobenz wrote: Found this site where you can convert anything from weights and measures to liquids or whatever ect... should one need to :) http://www.teaching-english-in-japan.net/conversion/celsius It is interactive as well, so you can customize it as you go. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gustl
no worries, it made a smile for my morning! tschss! -detrick Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo All, Sorry for that last post to Fritz to the group. I am not only going deaf but have lost the sight in one eye and missed the reply to in the message and thought I was posting it directly to Fritz. My apologies for wasting bandwidth and inflicting that bit of personal info on you all. Happy Happy, Gustl Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Military diesel motorcycles and other cool stuff...
Why not try a HD trans in a jap frame? You're gonna have to modify things to fit a diesel in there anyway. Dan Maker wrote: Anyway, Harleys are overpriced and overrated. Your best bet for a diesel conversion is to go with an older Japanese bike. They are cheap, well made, and readily available. I would even venture to say that you might able to scrounge one for free. After all, who wants to buy a Japanese motorcycle with a blown engine? Do you know of any japanese bikes that have a transmission seperate from the engine? That seems to be the big advantage of using a harley. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: First Quiet Diesel With Duramax Technology ?
GM and Isuzu have been attached at the hip for several years now. It's much like Ford and Mazda, IIRC. murdoch wrote: Jason: Is it really Isuzu designed or manufactured? I ask because it seems a bit much for GM to portray this We are professional Grade design philosophy when they have to buy into a company and get this engine from them, if that's what they're doing, rather than doing it in-house. But maybe someone can clarify if that's what's happened? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gas Prices Causing Alarm
remember two things about firefighters: 1) they actually LIKE going into the building that everyone else is running away from 2) they like to tell stories, especially at the slower (read: volunteer) stations -detrick former volunteer firefighter Appal Energy wrote: snip experience to boot - my building is the only one that the volunteer fire department jokes about saying that if it burns they'll just close the road off a half-mile in both directions and let it burn. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine
A few months ago (May 2003), I started a thread about the legalities relating to the use of VO in a diesel engine in the U.S. This eventually led to the discovery, that the U.S. EPA wants certain emissions test results, to recognize VO as a legal motor fuel. Biodiesel went through this process in it's own right, but because of the chemical differences between biodiesel and VO, VO cannot be recognized on the basis of the biodiesel test results. Ed Beggs, of Neoteric Biofuels, Inc., allowed me to forward a thesis he had written, Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design, to the U.S. EPA. It was my hope that this thesis would provide the EPA with the data they were looking for. I suspected, however, that the thesis would not be enough. Even so, I gambled on the EPA responding with where the data was lacking, so I could begin to research how to complete the data set. Jim Caldwell, of the U.S. EPA, has responded back. It took him about 2 days to respond, so he at least had the time to read the thesis. As I had suspected, Jim informed me that the thesis did not contain the necessary information. But, he was able to point me to the U.S. EPA's Diesel Retrofit Program. After skimming through the information on the Retrofit Program, I've found a section which offers alternative fuels as, for lack of a better way to say it, a 'retrofit' to reduce emissions. It also appears that a wealth of documentation, test plans, and other requirements are available. So, what does this mean in the end? My quest to get VO accepted by the U.S. EPA as a legal motor fuel might just have a chance. At least I have access to a method for submitting the right information the right way, to the EPA. I'll be reading over the information on this program over the next few days/weeks, as I have spare time. Hopefully, then, I can draw up some kind of feasable plan to get regulations pushed through the EPA. If anyone cares to help in some way (I'm certainly don't have the facilities or knowledge, yet, to complete what I'm attempting), I'd be glad to accept it. If not, expect to be hit with questions as I learn how to make this happen. -detrick Original Message Subject: Re: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:35:39 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Detrick Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Detrick, Thank you for the interesting thesis. However, it does not address whether the technology, when applied to engines certified to U.S. emission standards, will allow those engines to still meet standards. I believe that the most appropriate approach for you to take is through the Voluntary Diesel Retrofit Program. Please see: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/index.htm. Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Searching for a processor
Pam, Where in Virginia? It's a big state :) -detrick pam wrote: Hi...My family owns a restaurant in Virginia. We are having major problems disposing of used restaurant cooking oil. There is only one grease pick-up company in the area and they have not picked-up oil in almost a year dispite prepayment. Do you have ANY information on alternative processors? Thanks - Pamela - Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: A question about using SVO/WVO in the U.S.
Actually, it's not to my benefit to get them to change this decision. It was a decision from the EPA lawyers, as well, not the engineers. But, as the decision stands, it puts more pressure on the kit resellers to provide some assistance to the end users. Being that I am only one person, and I currently don't even have a vehicle to use SVO or WVO in, I have very little with which to provide the necessary results. The EPA seems less concerned with how the system delivers fuel to the engine, and more with what emissions are coming out of the tailpipe. Conservative or not, they want some hard facts before officially allowing SVO/WVO to be used as a motor fuel. It is my belief that we can convince them that SVO/WVO is okay. Until I believe otherwise, or run out of energy (more likely), I'll keep pushing ahead where I can. Meanwhile, I'm going to hold on to what the EPA has told me about conversion kit sellers holding some responsibility. I believe they do from an ethical standpoint anyway. Perhaps they are being cautious, and don't even intend to crack down on the rare individual user. Regardless, eventually (we all hope, right?), it won't be the rare individual. At that time, some regulations better be in place. My intent is to start making some solid headway, so that a small revolution can move forward. This is one of the many aspects of the use of SVO/WVO that needs to be resolved. Otherwise, it has no chance of survival, except in hidden, backyard operations. I suspect there is even a chance, if we can get some regulation passed through the EPA, that we might be able to get some publicity. Publicity can lead to action. Make more people aware, and we'll have a larger building. But, our building needs a solid foundation. -detrick finnloag wrote: Detrick, Thanks for your hard work in this area. My one comment is that the EPA minions may be erring on the side of caution when giving you their anwswer below. CNG kits control engine performance, fuel economy and emissions by electronically monitoring and controlling several engine operating parameters such as spark advance, ignition timing, and throttle position through an electronic control module. http://www.energy.ca.gov/development/TETAP/baytech.html Vegetable oil conversion kits simply do a preheat of the fuel; they do nothing to alter any of the material characteristics of the engine. In fact, in a warm climate, you can theoretically (and practically) run SVO without any conversion kit. This may be something you want to bring up with the folks at the EPA next time you have discussions with them (if you haven't already done so)... or maybe this argument won't make a difference :-( -Finn --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Detrick Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: === Detrick, I spoke with our attorney who handles this area. A manufacturer of a kit to convert a vehicle from gasoline or diesel to compressed natural gas is required to demonstrate that the vehicle(s) for which the kit is designed will still meet emission standards. Thus, the manufacturer of a kit to convert a vehicle to run on vegetable oil should be conducting emissions testing and demonstrating that the standards will still be met. Sincerely, Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 === So, now we have evidence from the EPA lawyers that the kit sellers are required to demonstrate that the kits are legal, at least from the EPA's realm of laws/regulations. I realize that fuel taxes may still be Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/CNxFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A question about using SVO/WVO in the U.S.
Edward, I'd love to forward this thesis to the EPA, with your permission. I believe it may provide us another step towards EPA acceptance. I did notice, however, that 'Appendix B' and 'Appendix C' seemed to have no content beyond their headings. If you are okay with me forwarding this on to the EPA, could you send me a copy which contains the contents of these appendices? thanks, detrick Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: I'm not offended at all Detrick - my response was simple no idea - because I really don't pretend to know the latest regulations for on-road and off-road, in may countries that we export to, and because it is all changing rapidly. Perhaps this helps: emissions testing was done as part of my thesis work. For EPA regulated emissions basically we saw the same as biodiesel. For particulates, same story. About the same as biodiesel. Life cycle basis, probably some advantages for SVO and WVO over biodiesel (no methanol or lye component, less transport, less energy for processing, etc.) See my thesis, online, for details, at links section: http://www.biofuels.ca Edward Beggs Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 02:17 PM, Detrick Merz wrote: this may offend/irritate some of the kit resellers, espicially the ones that visit this list... regardless, that is not my intention, I only wish to find resolution to my initial questions. see inline, as has become usual :) Keith Addison wrote: Hi Detrick hello, again! Hm - very interesting! Seems you've uncovered something. Please pardon my earlier doubts. done :) Now why don't the SVO missionaries and sellers of kits know about this? - as it seems they don't - and done something about it? As it seems they haven't. Is it up to Jim Caldwell/the EPA to go to them? I can't speak for the missionaries, but I can speculate with some well educated guesses on why the kit sellers don't. They simply don't want to be bothered... yet :) I've spoken with two kit sellers, Greasel.com and Neoteric Biofuels Inc., asking them the very question I first posted in this thread. I found some others who seem to deal regularly/mostly with the U.S., but they all were Greasel.com resellers. I can't find the email the Neoteric sent back to me, but they said they leave it up to their customers to explore the legal aspects of using their products. A quote from their website summarizes this as well: The user is to determine suitability for the intended application, and is responsible for determining the legal and warranty implications of installation and use. Charles, from Greasel.com, sent me the following response: === Detrick, Sounds like you are going to get there faster than me. Right now since I, and my customers are not buying and selling fuel there has not been a problem with the tax man and the petty bureaucrats. If this is something that you are concerned with, I encourage you to look into it as you already have. I am careful not to get into a situation where I am giving my customers legal advice. We sell our kits to a verity of people in a verity of countries with on road and off road use. I can't even try to anticipate and advise. Although right now we are at a if it ain't broke don't fix it stand point. We do stay on top of it and try to keep ourselves aware of the issues. At some point if we feel it necessary to take a stand or advise people we will do so, carefully. I can tell you that the emissions with WVO are much better than diesel and in some areas even better than the Toyota Prius, a gas electric Hybrid. We are working on getting that info published. Thank you. Charles === So, it seems that these kit sellers are in the business of selling kits, but not checking to see if they are legal. So far (I've only learned about this whole WVO powering your diesel on April 22 (shameless slashdot.org plug), I've only been able to locate these two major kit suppliers in the U.S. I've found some in europe, but I doubt they have much reason to be concerned about the U.S. EPA. I have not verified whether or not they export their kits to the U.S., but I fear that might open a larger can of worms, once the import/export laws get involved. Easier for me to keep them out, for now anyway. Now, here's another interesting thing that Jim Caldwell sent me. Keep in mind, too, that this next quote was sent to Greasel.com, and received the reply above: === Detrick, I spoke with our attorney who handles this area. A manufacturer of a kit to convert a vehicle from gasoline or diesel to compressed natural gas is required to demonstrate that the vehicle(s) for which the kit is designed will still meet emission standards. Thus, the manufacturer of a kit to convert a vehicle to run on vegetable oil should be conducting emissions testing
Re: [biofuel] A question about using SVO/WVO in the U.S.
more comments inline... Keith Addison wrote: nope... I'm talking about SVO/WVO, not biodiesel. Everything I've seen and heard from talking with Jim Caldwell of the EPA, states that the use of SVO and/or WVO in an on-road diesel is against current regulations. Jim Caldwell, yes, I know of him. Some of us have had contact with him in the past I believe. But I still think there's some confusion here. AFAIK they're only interested if you SELL the stuff, not if you simply use it. All the fuss with biodiesel has been over selling it, for on-road use (no problem for off-road use). If you're just a user, with no sales transaction anywhere along the line, as is the case with SVO/WVO fuel (I think), then all you have to do is pay whatever on-road taxes apply. I think... As Hakan said. You're just aiming to be a user, aren't you? Can't see much of a future in selling SVO/WVO fuel (though there are Europeans who're doing just that with their PPO). Yes, I'm aiming just to be a user. According to what I've heard from Jim so far, SVO/WVO can't be used as a motor fuel in an on-road diesel automobile unless the EPA knows more about it's emissions performance. Here's an email I received from Jim: == Detrick, With respect to a fuel acquired for free and intended solely for personal use, please see the attached letter where we recently established a policy that, for a similar situation for biodiesel, registration is not required. Once we know more about the emissions performance of the kit for vegetable oil we could consider a similar policy. However, a lot of testing has been done on biodiesel, so we have a good handle on its performance. Please see http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/analysis/biodsl/p02001.pdf Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 (See attached file: MaineBiodiesel4.wpd) == And, the contents of the attached letter, MaineBiodiesel4.wpd: == Ms. Lynne A. Cayting, Chief April 22, 2003 Mobile Sources Section Bureau of Air Quality Department of Environmental Protection State of Maine 17 State House Station Augusta, Maine 04333-0017 Dear Ms. Cayting: Thank you for your December 30, 2002 letter to Robert Judge of our Boston office concerning the production of biodiesel by individuals and organizations. You asked if those parties were subject to the fuel registration regulations at 40 CFR 79 if the biodiesel were solely for their own use. These regulations apply only to fuels used in motor vehicles. As a matter of policy, we will not require the registration of biodiesel, as defined in our regulations at 40 CFR ¤ 79.56(e)(4)(ii)(B)(2), produced by an individual solely for use by that individual. With respect to an organization producing biodiesel for its own use, we will consider this policy on a case-by-case basis. We would also point out that there are exemptions to the registration requirements based upon the use of biodiesel in a research program such as a program that might be conducted by a school. Any person producing biodiesel should follow routine quality-control measures. A fuel of poor quality that, for example, does not meet industry based standards such as those published by the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM), could damage the engine and jeopardize the warranty. I hope that this is helpful. Please contact us if we can be of further assistance. Sincerely, /s/ Suzanne Rudzinski Director Transportation and Regional Programs Division == Which one? He was talking about SVO/WVO? Jim Caldwell was the EPA engineer I've been speaking with. We were specifically discussing SVO/WVO. He mentioned that biodiesel is well known to the EPA, but that SVO/WVO would need extensive testing before being allowed for use as a motor fuel by the EPA. Again, I'd think that should be allowed *for sale*. But, could be wrong, very interested to know. Up to them to prove you guilty, after all, not you to prove your innocence. In a state where they set up road blocks and pull over diesel powered vehicles to test their fuel to make sure road taxes are paid, I'd rather carry some backing that explains my legal use of this fuel they don't recognize. -detrick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/aM1XQD/od7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
Re: [biofuel] A question about using SVO/WVO in the U.S.
this may offend/irritate some of the kit resellers, espicially the ones that visit this list... regardless, that is not my intention, I only wish to find resolution to my initial questions. see inline, as has become usual :) Keith Addison wrote: Hi Detrick hello, again! Hm - very interesting! Seems you've uncovered something. Please pardon my earlier doubts. done :) Now why don't the SVO missionaries and sellers of kits know about this? - as it seems they don't - and done something about it? As it seems they haven't. Is it up to Jim Caldwell/the EPA to go to them? I can't speak for the missionaries, but I can speculate with some well educated guesses on why the kit sellers don't. They simply don't want to be bothered... yet :) I've spoken with two kit sellers, Greasel.com and Neoteric Biofuels Inc., asking them the very question I first posted in this thread. I found some others who seem to deal regularly/mostly with the U.S., but they all were Greasel.com resellers. I can't find the email the Neoteric sent back to me, but they said they leave it up to their customers to explore the legal aspects of using their products. A quote from their website summarizes this as well: The user is to determine suitability for the intended application, and is responsible for determining the legal and warranty implications of installation and use. Charles, from Greasel.com, sent me the following response: === Detrick, Sounds like you are going to get there faster than me. Right now since I, and my customers are not buying and selling fuel there has not been a problem with the tax man and the petty bureaucrats. If this is something that you are concerned with, I encourage you to look into it as you already have. I am careful not to get into a situation where I am giving my customers legal advice. We sell our kits to a verity of people in a verity of countries with on road and off road use. I can't even try to anticipate and advise. Although right now we are at a if it ain't broke don't fix it stand point. We do stay on top of it and try to keep ourselves aware of the issues. At some point if we feel it necessary to take a stand or advise people we will do so, carefully. I can tell you that the emissions with WVO are much better than diesel and in some areas even better than the Toyota Prius, a gas electric Hybrid. We are working on getting that info published. Thank you. Charles === So, it seems that these kit sellers are in the business of selling kits, but not checking to see if they are legal. So far (I've only learned about this whole WVO powering your diesel on April 22 (shameless slashdot.org plug), I've only been able to locate these two major kit suppliers in the U.S. I've found some in europe, but I doubt they have much reason to be concerned about the U.S. EPA. I have not verified whether or not they export their kits to the U.S., but I fear that might open a larger can of worms, once the import/export laws get involved. Easier for me to keep them out, for now anyway. Now, here's another interesting thing that Jim Caldwell sent me. Keep in mind, too, that this next quote was sent to Greasel.com, and received the reply above: === Detrick, I spoke with our attorney who handles this area. A manufacturer of a kit to convert a vehicle from gasoline or diesel to compressed natural gas is required to demonstrate that the vehicle(s) for which the kit is designed will still meet emission standards. Thus, the manufacturer of a kit to convert a vehicle to run on vegetable oil should be conducting emissions testing and demonstrating that the standards will still be met. Sincerely, Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 === So, now we have evidence from the EPA lawyers that the kit sellers are required to demonstrate that the kits are legal, at least from the EPA's realm of laws/regulations. I realize that fuel taxes may still be an issue, but they seem resolved, at least by what I've read so far. This seems quite a clearcut issue, much more so than the so-called EPA hassle was with biodiesel - there's no question of a conspiracy of Big Guys ganging up on the little guys, as was alleged with biodiesel. It seems pretty clearcut to me too, it's just a matter of appeasing the EPA with the testing results they want. Clearcut, but full of labor. There is information available on SVO emissions, quite a lot more than there was a year or two ago, and a growing body of... something or other, not sure that it's evidence exactly, recorded user experience anyway, on a couple of databases on the web. This could be forwarded to Jim Caldwell - I doubt he's anti SVO in any way, probably be quite willing to cooperate. I'd love to be able to send this information to Jim Caldwell, but I fear it may not be in the format
Re: [biofuel] A question about using SVO/WVO in the U.S.
Thanks for the input Keith!! It's been nice finding a more living resource that responds positively :) I've put some more comments/ideas/questions inline below... Keith Addison wrote: Hello Detrick Aren't you confusing SVO/WVO with biodiesel? With biodiesel, the situation with the EPA etc is summed up here: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=24742list=BIOFUEL nope... I'm talking about SVO/WVO, not biodiesel. Everything I've seen and heard from talking with Jim Caldwell of the EPA, states that the use of SVO and/or WVO in an on-road diesel is against current regulations. Please, everybody, this needs a test case - has there been a test case? Does anybody know, or have anything to add to this? Does anyone have the evidence to support this? In speaking with an engineer at the EPA (one I've seen quoted in several news articles describing crack downs on this type of operation), Which one? He was talking about SVO/WVO? Jim Caldwell was the EPA engineer I've been speaking with. We were specifically discussing SVO/WVO. He mentioned that biodiesel is well known to the EPA, but that SVO/WVO would need extensive testing before being allowed for use as a motor fuel by the EPA. the EPA won't give approval for it until extensive testing has been completed. I'd feel more comfortable if I could carry around the supporting evidence with me, in case I run into trouble. Re SVO/WVO, Hakan's right, it has been discussed, and will thus be in the archives, but I don't remember the details. There are plenty of US SVO'ers here who should know, however. By the way, which archives did you use - not Yahoo's, I hope? Nightmare! Use Martin's archives at NNYtech, if you haven't already been doing so, much better - Biofuel, and Biofuels-biz: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php I'll go looking through the archives again (yes, I used Yahoo!'s the first time... I'll check out Martin's). Hopefully some people will pipe up again, too. If not, I'll just keep digging :) Keith Hakan wrote: It has been discussed and as far as I understood it, it is legal to produce and use up to a specified amount during the year. I do not remember the amount, but it was enough for extensive driving of a large SUV, or driving two smaller family cars. Something around 1,500 gallon a year. The conclusion is that it is legal, but for commercial the taxes have to be paid. snip Does anyone know about any legal hitches with using SVO/WVO in the U.S.? I seem to be able to find companies selling kits to allow SVO/WVO to be used in a diesel engine. None of them, so far, have Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A question about using SVO/WVO in the U.S.
Does anyone have the evidence to support this? In speaking with an engineer at the EPA (one I've seen quoted in several news articles describing crack downs on this type of operation), the EPA won't give approval for it until extensive testing has been completed. I'd feel more comfortable if I could carry around the supporting evidence with me, in case I run into trouble. thanks!! -detrick Hakan wrote: Detrick, It has been discussed and as far as I understood it, it is legal to produce and use up to a specified amount during the year. I do not remember the amount, but it was enough for extensive driving of a large SUV, or driving two smaller family cars. Something around 1,500 gallon a year. The conclusion is that it is legal, but for commercial the taxes have to be paid. Hakan At 01:11 PM 5/20/2003 +, you wrote: I've searched the archive trying to find information on this, and haven't found any yet (although I must say, this list has a HUGE archive!). Does anyone know about any legal hitches with using SVO/WVO in the U.S.? I seem to be able to find companies selling kits to allow SVO/WVO to be used in a diesel engine. None of them, so far, have been able to give me any support or ideas on whether or not it's legal! They all either don't care, or tell me it's not their responsibility to research these things. thanks for any insight, detrick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/aM1XQD/od7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
