[biofuel] 1000 Acres For Veg Oil?
x-charset ISO-8859-1 I have been talking with a local farmer who has told me that it would take at least 1000 acres of a veg oil producing crop in order to make the investment viable for the purpose of fuel. Can anyone here please give me some feedback on this? Also, we are a cooperative of folks who collect WVO for our converted diesel cars that run on 100% veggie. Does anyone have any ideas of how we could organize, finance, etc, a 1000 acre farm for veg oil fuel production? Are there any foundations, grants, endowments, govt. programs, etc that would help us get this started? Thank you very much in advance, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Gracias Por Suscribirme
Luis, gracias por suscribirme a su lista. Perdone mi espanol, que no es perfecto. Me encantaria las otras sorpresas que tienes para alguien que puede leer espanol. Naci en Manhattan, Nueva York, 1961. Aprendi hablar espanol de mis padres que eran inmigrantes. Vivi en Espana por 6.5 anos y mi esposa es Espanola. Volvi a California en 1996 despues de diez anos en Europa. Felices fiestas, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 -ORIGINAL MESSAGE--- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:35:44 -0500 From: Contactos Mundiales [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Ethanol-Veggie Blend? Dear Edward: It is done already, your name has been added to the our mailing list. I think that quite possibly you will not have to wait too long... we may already have the solution, it may just be a matter of getting a diesel engine set up for testing, some laboratory facilities, instrumentation for data collection and we might be up and running quite soon. Simultaneously with the e-diesel research we expect to operate a 1000 (one thousand) liter ethanol/day distillery. Some of the ethanol will be for fuel and some for beverages. If you can read spanish then, I have a few other surprises for you... Espera otras noticias interesantes de nuestra Fundacin. Tengo curiosidad, eres nativo de California o de otro pas? Bueno, Edward, recibe un cordial saludo y que tengas unas felices fiestas y un ao nuevo colmado de eventos importantes y de prosperidad, Luis R. Calzadilla VP Operations Fundacin Sugar Cane Research Org. Cali, Colombia Tel (572) 557-0627 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol-Veggie Blend?
Luis, Thank you so much for your response! I am intrigued at the fact that there is going to be research done precisely in what it is that I'm curious about. Too bad I have to wait until next year, though. Yes, please subscribe my name to your mailing list in order to keep me informed about our progress with the ethanol-veggie fuel. Tambien hablo espanol. Salud, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 - Original Message - Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:23:59 -0500 From: Contactos Mundiales [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Ethanol-Veggie Blend? Dear Edward: Our Research Foundation has this very item in our research agenda for 2004. We already have a local University interested in pursuing this project jointly. I expect that just a little funding will be required, since Research Development in Colombia is such an inexpensive undertaking. Should you wish, we can enter your name in our mailing list in order to be kept informed about our progress. The same invitation is kindly extended to the Forum membership. With best wishes for happy holidays to you and to the Group, Luis R. Calzadilla VP Operations Fundacin Sugar Cane Research Org. Cali, Colombia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol-Veggie Blend? Can ethanol blended with pure vegetable oil be used as fuel for an unmodified diesel engine? I am a member of the Biofuels Research Cooperative in Sebastopol, California. We collect recycled vegetable oil for our members for use as fuel for their converted diesel vehicles. Our cars run on 100% vegetable oil. The reason I ask about the ethanol and veggie blend is because there is a crucial viscosity issue regarding the straight vegetable oil as fuel. There is a necessary modification using the Elsbett or Neoteric kits before the diesel car can run on pure veggie. As you know, biodiesel can be run directly in an unmodified diesel engine. The required step, however, is the modification of the veggie oil before it can be used as fuel. So the two options present themselves: 1. Modify the diesel engine, or 2. Modify the fuel (veggie oil). If an ethanol-veggie blend can work then we can bypass the modification of the engine. However, I fear that a diesel engine may not take very kindly to having ethanol introduced into it, even if it is blended with veggie oil. The BRC has chosen the route of modifying the engine but if the ethanol-veggie blend works then there is no need to go through the hassle and expense of adapting the diesel motor to the alternative fuel. I can see myself producing ethanol at home with a still to later mix with my pure veggie oil. Any response will be appreciated, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol-Veggie Blend?
Can ethanol blended with pure vegetable oil be used as fuel for an unmodified diesel engine? I am a member of the Biofuels Research Cooperative in Sebastopol, California. We collect recycled vegetable oil for our members for use as fuel for their converted diesel vehicles. Our cars run on 100% vegetable oil. The reason I ask about the ethanol and veggie blend is because there is a crucial viscosity issue regarding the straight vegetable oil as fuel. There is a necessary modification using the Elsbett or Neoteric kits before the diesel car can run on pure veggie. As you know, biodiesel can be run directly in an unmodified diesel engine. The required step, however, is the modification of the veggie oil before it can be used as fuel. So the two options present themselves: 1. Modify the diesel engine, or 2. Modify the fuel (veggie oil). If an ethanol-veggie blend can work then we can bypass the modification of the engine. However, I fear that a diesel engine may not take very kindly to having ethanol introduced into it, even if it is blended with veggie oil. The BRC has chosen the route of modifying the engine but if the ethanol-veggie blend works then there is no need to go through the hassle and expense of adapting the diesel motor to the alternative fuel. I can see myself producing ethanol at home with a still to later mix with my pure veggie oil. Any response will be appreciated, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol Fixing Old Cars
Is this true!? All we have to do is fix a bunch of old cars and we can have all of the ethanol running vehicles our society could ever desire? What kind of an engine are we talking about? Gasoline? Diesel? Any modifications? Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EPA registration
Mark, do you know how the new EPA registration might affect running a car on 100% veggie oil? How does a person go about paying the fuel tax for these alt fuels? Best, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:13:56 - From: skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: bad news about EPA registration Re: Commercial production Hi Keith and others, I've got more info about the EPA registration issue and it's not good. I sent the info that Keith compiled http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/27488 to Jon Van Gerpen of Iowa State University who then contacted the EPA about the discrepancy in their registration process (I'm not sure who exactly he spoke with). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The Ratio For Zero Degrees ?
What should the ratio of veggie oil and diesel be for zero degree weather? What should the ratio of ethanol and veggie be for zero degree weather? Thank you, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The Versatile Engine
Can this engine be designed? Can an engine be designed so that it can run on gasoline, diesel, ethanol, biodiesel, or veggie oil ? The Brazilian government is now giving tax breaks on cars that can run on either ethanol or gasoline. But in the next thirty to fifty years we will inevitably be forced away from fossil fuels. Therefore, engines that are designed with the versatility to run on any renewable resource fuels will become crucial. Will the engine need some minor, manual adjustments with removable parts as needed? Or can the versatile engine be designed from blueprints, at the engineering stage, to run on any fuel without tinkering afterwards? Thank you, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol Ethanol
Can ethanol be used just as effectively as methanol for cutting the veggie oil to make biodiesel? Thanks, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Helping Rodolfo
I am fluent in English and Spanish, if that's any help please let me know Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Message: 7 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:20:33 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron F. Wieler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spanish biofuel info (was: Re: I: Re: List archives) Rodolfo wrote (in spanish) that he would like to contact Carlos Leopoldo Breton Fernandez, who is on this listserv, and would like help from somebody (please). Carlos sent this message to the list on Oct. 15, 2003. http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/biofuel/29016/1/ Keith, some of the JTF website is in spanish, no? Is there a spanish biofuel mailing list that you know of? Rodolfo: check out http://www.journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/elaboracion.htm for information about biodieel in spanish. (Espanol-- Rodolfo, mira http://www.journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/elaboracion.htm para informacion sobre biofuel (o biodiesel, diesel organico, no se como se dice biofuel) buen suerte.) On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Larosa Rodolfo wrote: Quisiera contactar a Carlos Leopoldo Breton Fernndez, que es un adherente a ewste correo. Si por favor alguien me puede ayudar. Gracias Rodolfo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] single tank systems
Are Elsbett and Neoteric the only single tank systems available? Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ideal Mercedes models for veggie conversion
[biofuel] Hydrogen Hummer ?
Can someone please offer a little extra information on the H2O car? I heard from Paul F. Ostrove (www.hermosahydrogen.com) today that Tai Robinson (www.Intergalactichydrogen.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) has just finished modifying a Hummer that runs on five fuels: 1. Diesel 2. Veggie-oil 3. Bio-diesel 4. CNG 5. Hydrogen. Paul also said that I could produce my own hydrogen at home by electrolyzing water! I don't see myself doing this in the near future though. He also said that this homemade fuel is what I would need for a hydrogen internal combustion (engine?). Finally, I don't know what CNG stands for. Thank you, sincerely, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] What Are TDi's?
Hello, Keith. Thanks for responding. I already got an email from Craig, so you were right! One problem a friend of mine explained to me is that Elsbett is backlogged and the existence of a competitor, such as Neoteric might offer the solution to a relatively unmet and growing demand. I have a question for you. What are TDi's? Take care, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:16:44 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A Competitor To Elsbett Hello Edward Neoteric is run by Ed Beggs, Craig Reece is his partner. Both of them are Biofuel list members, so you may be hearing from them. Of course that won't be independent, disinterested feedback, but I'm not sure there is any of that yet - as you say it's a new system, last I heard it was still being beta-tested. Not available for all diesel motors (some non-TDi's only?) and seems to be more expensive than the Elsbett kit. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
