[Biofuel] i am FINALLY moving home
if anyone wants to know, i will be moving back home at the end of the week, so i will be changing my email address to a hotmail account until i can get a fixed account again. nothing drastic, just temporary. jason -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist)
what about the new(ish) continuous drive transmission toyota is using? i'm not entirely sure five big magnet and/or coil sets would be any less weight than a single front drive transmission. there would have to be some colossal energy density to get small enough motors tough enough move a car and yet fit inside the wheel, (although it does make for some interesting controlled braking possibilities, especially for cross country races). on a side note: is there any way to use CO2 pulled from the air for a materials carbon supply? - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist) 2500 lbs seems a bit heavy. My old pickup truck only weighs in at 2,600 lbs, empty. With fiberglass and carbon fiber, it should be possible to make one that's closer to 1,500lbs or less including engine, everything. Wonder if it might be less weight to do a series electric drive system and get rid of the transmission entirely. A high frequency high efficiency generator would operate from a fixed RPM operation of the diesel engine, and a variable frequency drive would directly drive each wheel. No axles, driveshafts, differential, gearbox, etc. And the engine is still always operated at the highest kWh/grams point. Z On 5/2/07, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i propose a new fuel economy goal. 100mpg @ 100mph! any design ideas? i'm thinking a 4cyl UHC diesel engine with at least 10 forward gears in a vehicle body weighing no more than 2500lbs. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/784 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:57 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/787 - Release Date: 5/3/2007 2:11 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/787 - Release Date: 5/3/2007 2:11 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist)
i propose a new fuel economy goal. 100mpg @ 100mph! any design ideas? i'm thinking a 4cyl UHC diesel engine with at least 10 forward gears in a vehicle body weighing no more than 2500lbs. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/784 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:57 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] becoming an enemy of the people
i heard this interview on the radio a few days ago. id be angry too. come to think of it, i AM a little angry. i would prefer to drive or take a boat though, so they wont really have any way to stop me from travelling if i were to make my opinions widely public. flying is just too damn costly as far as air quality (and money, too) goes. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] becoming an enemy of the people becoming an enemy of the people By: Mark Graber I am posting the below with the permission of Professor Walter F. Murphy, emeritus of Princeton University. For those who do not know, Professor Murphy is easily the most distinguished scholar of public law in political science. His works on both constitutional theory and judicial behavior are classics in the field. Bluntly, legal scholarship that does not engage many themes in his book, briefly noted below, Constitutional Democracy, may be legal, but cannot be said to be scholarship. As interesting, for present purposes, readers of the book will discover that Murphy is hardly a conventional political or legal liberal. While he holds some opinions, most notably on welfare, similar to opinions held on the political left, he is a sharp critic of ROE V. WADE, and supported the Alito nomination. Apparently these credentials and others noted below are no longer sufficient to prevent one from becoming an enemy of the people. On 1 March 07, I was scheduled to fly on American Airlines to Newark, NJ, to attend an academic conference at Princeton University, designed to focus on my latest scholarly book, Constitutional Democracy, published by Johns Hopkins University Press this past Thanksgiving. When I tried to use the curb-side check in at the Sunport, I was denied a boarding pass because I was on the Terrorist Watch list. I was instructed to go inside and talk to a clerk. At this point, I should note that I am not only the McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence (emeritus) but also a retired Marine colonel. I fought in the Korean War as a young lieutenant, was wounded, and decorated for heroism. I remained a professional soldier for more than five years and then accepted a commission as a reserve office, serving for an additional 19 years. I presented my credentials from the Marine Corps to a very polite clerk for American Airlines. One of the two people to whom I talked asked a question and offered a frightening comment: Have you been in any peace marches? We ban a lot of people from flying because of that. I explained that I had not so marched but had, in September, 2006, given a lecture at Princeton, televised and put on the Web, highly critical of George Bush for his many violations of the Constitution. That'll do it, the man said. After carefully examining my credentials, the clerk asked if he could take them to TSA officials. I agreed. He returned about ten minutes later and said I could have a boarding pass, but added: I must warn you, they ' re going to ransack your luggage. On my return flight, I had no problem with obtaining a boarding pass, but my luggage was lost. Airlines do lose a lot of luggage and this loss could have been a mere coincidence. In light of previous events, however, I'm a tad skeptical. I confess to having been furious that any American citizen would be singled out for governmental harassment because he or she criticized any elected official, Democrat or Republican. That harassment is, in and of itself, a flagrant violation not only of the First Amendment but also of our entire scheme of constitutional government. This effort to punish a critic states my lecture's argument far more eloquently and forcefully than I ever could. Further, that an administration headed by two men who had had other priorities than to risk their own lives when their turn to fight for their country came up, should brand as a threat to the United States a person who did not run away but stood up and fought for his country and was wounded in battle, goes beyond the outrageous. Although less lethal, it is of the same evil ilk as punishing Ambassador Joseph Wilson for criticizing Bush's false claims by outing his wife, Valerie Plaime, thereby putting at risk her life as well as the lives of many people with whom she had had contact as an agent of the CIA. ... I have a personal stake here, but so do all Americans who take their political system seriously. Thus I hope you and your colleagues will take some positive action to bring the Administration's conduct to the attention of a far larger, and more
Re: [Biofuel] For once I'm speechless
if i remember correctly, it was a publicity stunt to prove how versatile the BD processes really are. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: [Biofuel] For once I'm speechless *Inventor turns dead cats into diesel *http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1534821.html?menu= ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 4/22/2007 8:18 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 4/22/2007 8:18 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] For once I'm speechless
ever seen fight club? yeech. - Original Message - From: AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] For once I'm speechless Yes, this is old news. So are chicken and turkey guts, biofuels from grease traps. The latest is liposuction fat biodiesel, regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] For once I'm speechless Sent: 23 Apr '07 20:11 Didn't we already beat this article to death? However, people are seriously talking about using chicken factories as sources for biodiesel. On 4/23/07, MIKE WEAVER [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Inventor turns dead cats into diesel *[LINK: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1534821.html?menu=] http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1534821.html?menu= ___ Biofuel mailing list [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel@sustainablelists.org [LINK: http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [LINK: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html] http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 4/22/2007 8:18 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 4/22/2007 8:18 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processing plant
from all that i have seen, heard, and done, i would suggest that the best way to acquire a BD processor, is to design and produce one (or more) in your own shop. i recommend a more modular system of 2 to 4 smaller reactors - that way if something goes wrong with one of them, you can still operate the others while making repairs to the disabled processor. - Original Message - From: Roger Cotrina To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processing plant Hi Keith: Thanks for your answer. I haven't produce any liter of biodiesel yet but I'm in contact with the University of Agraria of Lima Peru who has developed a very and basic biodiesel plant in a lab and has made investigations about the market oil sources and the statistics of Peruvian Market needs. Actually the master of that project will be part of my company organization. I've studied a post graduate of nuclear engineer in Argentina and have other people with outstanding acomplishment who will work with me. Partnerts of other conuntries are wellcome if you are interested in this project. Any suggestion will be appreciate. Thank you very much again and I apologise any mispelling. Here is a little difficult to practice my english. Best regards Roger L. Cotrina Calle Juan Gris 230, Suite 303 San Borja -Lima Peru Phone: 51-1-226-0700 Cel: 51-1-9018-6300 Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Hello Roger Have you made any biodiesel yet? Best Keith Dear members: . Estimated friends: This is Roger Cotrina from Lima - Peru. I am gliding to install a small biodiesel plant to obtain 1,000 daily liters of biodiesel using oil of palm and recycled oils. May someone recommend to me some plant or brand of this capacity and the manufacturer? This step that dare is the preliminary one to develop a bigger project in the jungle of Peru taking the great advantages of the tax incentives that the government has given recently. Reards Roger Cotrina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.3.0/758 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 11:52 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.3.0/758 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 11:52 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[Biofuel] the core...
i have finally moved beyond the kitchen sink and my little 3L test reactor. i began a long while ago by helping my brother-in-law take a steam cleaner apart. there was a large water coil over the main burner which i saved, and about a month ago we came to posess a junk water heater. by dumb luck the coil fit inside the tank perfectly! i decided to use this and some other junk i had about me to re- modify roger's version of the M.E.N. oil heater and turn it into a boiler. ill have to bring some pictures when we get it finished, but we intend to use the heater for [a] heat for the new (incomplete, as of yet) reactor, [b] heat for the garage, and [c] someplace to dry my gloves in the winter. has anyone else tried putting a coil inside a tank heater like this before? im still a little concerned about air flow. any suggestions? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.3.0/758 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 11:52 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [Biofuel] Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic by M.A.Nystrom
could you re-send the link please? it didnt make it through. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic by M.A.Nystrom -- See what's free at AOL.com. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 4/10/2007 10:44 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 4/10/2007 10:44 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tories burned by ethanol rebate misfire - CP Wire -2007.03.26
what about doubling the gas tax, and not taxing ethanol at all? its working for cigarettes. in illinois, the state raised the tobacco tax, and consumption fell, so they raised it again to meet their goals for the year, and it dropped some more. tax it out of existence. cash cost is really the only thing the majority of people pay attention to. cynical? yes. true? also yes. - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Tories burned by ethanol rebate misfire - CP Wire -2007.03.26 Apparently, there is nothing so simple that government can't mess it up. Darryl Original Message Tories burned by ethanol rebate misfire CP Wire Mon 26 Mar 2007 Section: National general news Byline: BY DENNIS BUECKERT Source: Length: 378 words OTTAWA (CP) _ Environment Minister John Baird is defending the government's decision to offer a $1,000 fuel-efficiency rebate on gas-guzzling cars capable of burning high-ethanol fuel even though no filling station in Canada sells the product. The Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo can burn either gasoline or E-85 fuel, but don't rate high for fuel efficiency when burning gasoline. Environmentalists call them gas guzzlers. ``This government wants an ethanol vehicle fleet to be part of Canada's future,'' Baird told the House of Commons on Monday. ``That's why we're very proud to put Chevrolet Impala E-85 on the list.'' Opposition critics allege that Finance Minister Jim Flaherty included the two GM vehicles in the list of models eligible for government rebates because they're manufactured in the riding adjacent to his home riding of Whitby-Oshawa. ``The government has not got a lot of nuance when they're handing out political favours,'' said NDP environment critic Nathan Cullen. ``They've handed them to several key members of Parliament in the Conservative caucus and this is one of them. ``They're not serious about the environment, they're just looking for window dressing.'' Robert Fortin of MacEwan Petroleum, which promotes ethanol, said he knows of only one E-85 station and it is a government-run facility in Ottawa not accessible to the public. ``There's no demand for E-85,'' he said. ``No one is asking for it.'' Baird said it is unacceptable that there is only one service station in Canada offering the fuel, but he gave no indication of any plan to expand availability. Kory Teneycke, president of the Canadian Renewable Fuels Association, said there is a chicken-and-egg problem with high-ethanol gasoline: E-85 cars will not be popular until the fuel is widely available, and the fuel will not be available until there's strong demand. He said the government should offer tax breaks for E-85 fuel to promote its use. Teneycke defended TV ads being run by his association showing a car filling up a car that ``runs on ethanol''even though high-ethanol fuel is not available. ``I think it's speaking to the aspirations of Canadians who would like to have more fuel options than just petroleum, and they want it at a reasonable price and they want it convenient, and all these things are possible with E-85.'' Copyright (c) 2007 The Canadian Press -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (now in print and eBook) http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 3/28/2007 4:23 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 3/28/2007 4:23 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How do you catch a crow?
i was digging around and found a bird trap that might help you. it looks like a big mousetrap with a net around the bar. it is big enough to hold the bird inside the net, but i would guess that if yon birdie tried to get away, it would be killed by the impact rather than caught by the net. here is the website, but it would probably be easier to make one (and cheaper too...) http://www.critterridders.com/pigeon_trap.htm its almost to the bottom of the page called EZ catch. seems like a good design idea anyway. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How do you catch a crow? Hi Gary, thanks for this They are very crafty and can count people in their area to a point. Crows are smart! Have a look at what this crow is doing - check the video: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2178920.stm BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Crows prove they are no birdbrains Homo habilis indeed, LOL! If you have time, you can walk to the coop with a few people and leave one person behind to wait for the crows to return. A call that sounds like a crow can call it in. If legal try a #1-1/2 leg hold trap with a morsel of food TIED to the pan. This can catch other animals also so the location and attention when set is very important. The roof top can be a good place to start. There will be no need to disguise the trap for at least the first attempt but, be sure to fasten the chain to something just incase the tries to fly. It's legal, but I'm reluctant to do it. I'd rather kill it outright (ie shoot it, not an option) or catch it without hurting it and then kill it. Probably I need to do something clever with a net, but I haven't managed to figure it out yet. If it comes down to it though the chicks come first and so the crow dies, whatever works. So thanks very much for this, I reckon I could get a leg hold trap to work. Also according to reports they can carry lots of germs and disease, so handle with a glove and dispose of with care. It's because they're carrion eaters I guess. Straight into the compost bin, not much left after cooking at 70+ deg C for a week or two. Thanks again, all best Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:23 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How do you catch a crow? Hi all A pesky crow moved in a couple of weeks ago. I guess they're all pesky, I haven't met any other kind. It reckons this is its territory now, there are good pickings here, it's taken to scavenging poultry feed for instance, sneak-thief, darts in as soon as your back's turned. Trouble is there'll be flocks of hatchlings around soon, with their mums to look after them indeed, but chicks run around, the crow will get some of them. We killed a crow a year or two ago. We'd been having problems with them, thieving and so on, and they killed five chicks. Then a couple of crows got into the chicken hutch and Midori killed one, the other escaped. We hung the dead one up outside the chicken hutch and the crows kept away after that. Up to now. How do you catch a crow when it's not trapped in a chicken hutch? Any ideas? I set a trap for a raiding raccoon a couple of months back and caught it but I won't catch a crow that way. TIA Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007 12:33 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 11:49 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] surviving building collapse
how did he get /that/ one past code?? - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] surviving building collapse If structures were seen as boats instead of anchored in the soil they could be safer. A friend of mine did that in So California. He had the cement foundation sitting on rocks so it could slide. A flexible connection on the utilities allowed movement and the next quake he had zero damage vs cracked foundations in his neighbors houses. Kirk robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk McLoren wrote: If it saves one child. How sad it is we were all taught to get under our desk. As he said - how obscene. Murdered by misinformation. We were taught several things about earthquake survival as children. In addition to stored food, water and a portable radio, we needed to have shoes by the bed and we were supposed to stay away from windows. Flying glass causes a lot of injury, and without shoes, feet cut easily on sharp debris. We were warned to NEVER leave a building while the ground was shaking, and to exit with great care (look up before going out) to avoid getting hit by fascia or other debris falling from above. We were told to stay away from stairs and elevators, too. If outside, we were to look for open ground, avoiding powerlines and any building higher than a single story, if possible, and to stay low. (I've almost been knocked off my feet by an earthquake!) If we were driving, we were supposed to pull off the road and get out of the car and onto the shoulder. (This also allows easier access for emergency vehicles.) Much of this advice makes sense. Houses and schools where I grew up tended to be single storey buildings. Very little of the construction involved concrete, save for stem walls in the foundations. If the roof is lightweight, pressing into a doorway (the strongest part of the house frame) made sense, as long as I put my back to the hinge so that the door wouldn't slam against me. In light of what you've posted here, I wouldn't do that now, though! Where I come from, houses were primarily constructed of wood frames that supported thick walls filled with mortared brick. This kind of construction fared well in earthquakes because the wood framing allowed the houses to flex and sway. (The house I grew up in had been built in 1928 and survived MANY strong earthquakes without damage.) The biggest danger involved chimneys falling into the house. This happened to our next door neighbor, but fortunately, no one was hurt. I don't think there was a conscious effort to misinform. We were once told to put our noses to the floor while trying to escape from fires, too, until people began dying from inhaling all of the heavy, off-gassing of modern carpets and drapes. We should be willing to adapt when new information is presented. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 10:58 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 10:58 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald's fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think it's time for people to be aware of what they're eating, Brown said. It doesn't have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesn't have to be fat-free to be healthy. When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was surprised by the results. Not only had Fisher's weight dropped from 295 to 272 pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166. I couldn't imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could drop their cholesterol that much, Dr. David Dunlap said. In addition, Fisher's blood pressure, heart rate and blood sugar levels decreased. I guess I just want people to know you can change the quality of the food you're eating, and that you can change your health dramatically in a very short amount of time, Brown said. But Fisher isn't ready to call it quits just yet. He hopes to get down to 200 pounds. Because he didn't cheat during the first 30 days, he knows he has the willpower to do it. To keep him on track, Brown offered him 50 percent off her menu prices until he reaches that goal. We've taken the first steps. I just have to keep it going, he said. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 3/7/2007 9:24 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
SNIP. How many of the following logical fallacies can you spot in the comments? -- argumentum ad logicam (argument from fallacy) in argument form; if A then B A is false, therefore B is false. if A is false, you need to figure out why B worked in the first place. To wit; P(rotagonist) I am a man. I drive a car, that means I am a man, because men drive cars A(ntagonist) My sister drives a car, and she is not a man. Therefore you are not a man thats just silly. anybody who can reach the pedals can drive a car. maybe not effectively, but hey ;) Affirming the consequent If A, then B B therefore A (really common on right wing talk radio) If Alice were a real communist, Alice wouldn't own any real property Alice doesn't own any real property Therefore, Alice is a communist Alice just doesnt want to pay land taxes... - Straw man (really really common in nearly all political debates) P(rotagonist) I think global warming is a 'bad-thing' A(ntagonist) Living in the stone age in no picnic The antagonist has implied that the protagonist advocates giving up on all technology, neatly side-stepping all debate about what efforts can be made to address the actual issue. if we dont fix global warming, well be living in the stone age a lot farther north anyway... --- argument by authority Bob makes statement B Bob is a noted authority Therefore statement B is true. (I see this all the time, everywhere, this mail list, and pretty much in any and all debates) Bob can make statement B, and this statement may be true or false. This is an expressed 'factual claim'. However, the conclusion that statement B is true, based on Bob's authority, is only implied. Therefore logically, it doesn't stand. you dont hear me arguing. authority without proof (or the ability to find proof) is political. - And the converse, (my personal favorite, the base of our last long thread here on the mailing list) argumentum ad hominem (argument against the man) Christie makes statement C; There is something about Christie folks don't like, Therefore statement C is false. i dont like a lot of people, but if they can prove it i have no trouble at all accepting what they say. This can go on and on. And it feeds lots and lots of other logical fallacies. Dave claims that polychorinated biphenols found in our aquifer are bad. Dave is a hippy Hippies don't have jobs Therefore anyone claiming pcbs are bad is trying to take our jobs. say-wuh? Pretty much anything you hear from news commentators here in the US follows this (lack of) logic. --- Google logical fallacy sometime. It's fun and educational! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 3/7/2007 9:24 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald's fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think it's time for people to be aware of what they're eating, Brown said. It doesn't have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesn't have to be fat-free to be healthy. When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was surprised by the results. Not only had Fisher's weight dropped from 295 to 272 pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166. I couldn't imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could drop their cholesterol that much, Dr. David Dunlap said. In addition, Fisher's blood pressure, heart rate and blood sugar levels decreased. I guess I just want people to know you can change the quality of the food you're eating, and that you can change your health dramatically in a very short amount of time, Brown said. But Fisher isn't ready to call it quits just yet. He hopes to get down to 200 pounds. Because he didn't cheat during the first 30 days, he knows he has the willpower to do it. To keep him on track, Brown offered him 50 percent off her menu prices until he reaches that goal. We've taken the first steps. I just have to keep it going, he said. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Biofuel] OOPS! DID VERICHIP HAVE A SENIOR MOMENT?
i work with a guy that was a security guard in a hospital, and he met a woman in the mental ward who was fanatically religious (apparently- she may have been perfectly average now that i think about it). she sincerely believed the second coming was imminent, and that Ameri-Co. (being the first entity to openly claim to be the saviour of the world) was the antichrist. with everything that has been happening lately i am beginning wonder if someone had her committed to keep her quiet. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 2:43 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Germans take pride in local money
Regional currencies are still in a legal grey area. But there are other comparable financial schemes, like 'miles and more', which also pose a challenge to the status quo, if there was anything likely to kill the social trade it would be this. some big bankroller would say hey, this is costing me 3c to every euro i make, i need to hire some kind of political goon squad to stop it. but you see that is what makes the underground so beautiful. you cant kill it, you cant undo it, and you CAN NOT STOP IT. the only thing anyone could possibly do to the underground is bury it deeper, and keep it out of the media. of course then the PTB would have to worry about the 6 degree laws...No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 2/28/2007 4:09 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] More on Real ID
i heard this one on the radio just this morning. all fifty states are asking for a two year delay, and, i believe, four are considering banning it right now, and quite a handful have already spoken against it. let the battle begin. - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] More on Real ID Yeah for Maine. I hope we can get Illinois to opt out of this big step to a police state. D. Mindock By Steven Yates February 18, 2007 NewsWithViews.com Last month, Maine became the first state to pass legislation declining participation in the national ID system mandated by the Real ID Act of 2005. State-level legislation either repudiating Real ID, asking Congress to repeal its worst privacy-violating provisions, or asking for a delay while states study the issue, exists in various stages (sometimes passed by one House but not the other), or is being considered, in other states: as of this writing, the list consists of Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, Vermont, Washington State, and Wyoming. In other words, a state-led rebellion against Real ID is brewing. Let's review the relevant history. The Real ID Act of 2005 was passed by Congress not on its own (nonexistent) merits but folded into the larger Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsumani Relief, 2005 (PL 109-13) as its Division B. This bill, which included appropriations for the Iraq War, was considered must-pass by Congress and signed into law by President Bush on May 11, 2005. This means that the Real ID Act was passed as the equivalent of a stealth measurethe sort of thing author Claire Wolfe called land-mine legislation in a classical article. The Real ID Act does not just federalize our driver's licenses but hand them over to the Department of Homeland Security. It calls for the creation of mammoth databases of information on law-abiding U.S. citizens. It places state Departments of Motor Vehicles (DMVs) in the position of having to become domestic spiesand it does so without any thought to the resources required, much less the dangers (e.g., of identity theft). It was signed into law despite the opposition of dozens of groups all across the political spectrum. An impact analysis released last September by the National Governors Association, the National Conference of State Legislatures and the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators is devastating. These groups show that efforts to implement Real ID will create a massively expensive logistic and bureaucratic nightmare. State DMVs have neither the technology nor the manpower to implement this gigantic unfunded federal mandatenor the legal means to compel compliance from those they must contact to secure verification of documents. The cost to my state (personal correspondence from the executive director of South Carolina DMV) could range from $25 to $28 million, with recurring costs in the $10 million to $11 million range. The study just cited estimates the total cost of implementing Real ID at over $11 billion over a five year period, with upfront costs of around $1 billion! The costs to individual U.S. citizens attempting to obtain or renew a driver's license? Unknown, although I have one estimate at $100! This analysis overlooks a crucial point: the Real ID Act is unconstitutional! The Constitution does not give any branch or any agency of the federal government this kind of power! It should come as no surprise, however, if no one associated with this thing has read our country's founding document. Thus, as matters currently stand, unconstitutional or not, Real ID goes into effect on May 11, 2008. When it goes into effect, here is what we are looking at: without a Department of Homeland Security approved conversion of one's driver's license or other personal ID into the Real ID, law-abiding U.S. citizens will not be able to board an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security, obtain a passport, enter federal buildings or otherwise do business with the federal government or other commercial endeavors requiring federally-mandated standards of personal identification. Those of us who have been following these matters for close to ten years saw this coming. There was, after all, a stealth effort to give every American a national ID card during the Clinton years. That law, also a stealth measure buried deep inside an omnibus appropriations bill, would have gone into effect in October 2000. It was thwarted. The post-9/11 era has given us a political climate more amenable to setting up a surveillance state. The official line on Real ID, originating with one interpretation of 9/11 Commission recommendations, is that it will hamper illegal immigration and
Re: [Biofuel] America's Crusaders
Slumbering public, huh? he has no idea what kind of monster he is trying to wake up does he? didnt the golem destroy its creator in the story? he is going to get a large amount of somebody's attention and the results will not be in his favor. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: [Biofuel] America's Crusaders Links to profile of the people and groups at the online version. http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/4024 Right Web | Analysis | America's Crusaders Tom Barry, IRC | February 23, 2007 IRC Right Web rightweb.irc-online.org Ideology and faith are stirring new calls to arms among influential political factions in the United States. At a time when the U.S. public is questioning the interventionism and unilateralism of the Bush administration, leading social conservatives and neoconservatives insist that the United States needs to militarily confront the purported threats facing the Judeo-Christian world order. Leading far-right social conservative Rick Santorum, a devout Catholic and former Republican senator from Pennsylvania, is heading up a new initiative, called the America's Enemies program at the neoconservative-aligned Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC), to awaken the slumbering public to what he sees as a gathering storm of adversaries. At the same time, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), a devout Jew who co-chairs the Committee on the Present Danger, is calling for a global political and military alliance to defeat the threat of Islamic extremism. Ironically, while the ideology and faith-based politics of America's enemies routinely come under attack by U.S. social conservatives and neoconservatives as dangerous manifestations of radicalism, the ideology and faith-based politics of America's would-be defenders are presented as redemptive forces in world affairs. Perhaps nowhere does this merger of ideology and faith come together so clearly than at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, where Santorum is a program director. A strong supporter of the war in Iraq and the Bush administration's war on terror, the EPPC has since the mid-1990s sought to mix religion and politics-or more specifically, to conjoin the Religious Right with a hawkish foreign policy. In its own words, the center aims to clarify and reinforce the bond between the Judeo-Christian moral tradition and the public policy debate. Immediately after his electoral defeat in November 2006, Santorum announced his plans to carry his crusading politics into private life, which resulted in the creation of EPPC's America's Enemies program. The program focuses on identifying, studying, and heightening awareness of the threats posed to America and the West from a growing array of anti-Western forces that are increasingly casting a shadow over our future and violating religious liberty around the world. Rather than regarding his overwhelming electoral defeat last November as an indicator that his own extreme notions about domestic and foreign policy were misguided, Santorum concluded that Americans are slumbering while at the gates gather barbarians such as Islamic fascism. Iraq is only one front in a larger war waged against the Western world, Santorum says. It is a war of ideas, according to him, waged by Islamic fascists-whose tentacles extend beyond Iraq and Afghanistan and into Iran and Venezuela. We are under siege by a people with an ideology, a plan, hundreds of millions of dollars, and an ever-increasing presence on virtually every continent (Santorum, Knowing Our Enemies, National Review Online, December 12, 2006). Topping the list of priorities is the need to confront Iran, says Santorum, who was once described by the New York Times Magazine as the country's preeminent faith-based politician, after President George W. Bush. War, said Santorum in a major speech on the Senate floor, is at our doorstep, and it is fueled, figuratively and literally, by Islamic fascism, nurtured and bred in Iran (December 6, 2006). Likening the current array of countries that oppose the United States to what Winston Churchill called the gathering storm before World War II, Santorum paints a picture of enemies closing in on the United States. With the exception of the state of Israel, we are fighting this battle alone, and I suspect we will for quite some time, laments Santorum. Along with Islamic fascists, Santorum points to supposed threats to U.S. national interests and security coming from Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Russia, and China. To support his alarmist rhetoric, Santorum claims, apparently without evidence, that Hugo Chavez of Venezuela plans to spend $30 billion to build 20 military bases in neighboring [sic] Bolivia, where Bolivian soldiers will answer to Venezuelan and Cuban officers. In a speech last December, Santorum
Re: [Biofuel] vanishing honey bees
i heard about this on the radio about a week ago. i am inclined to agree with the cumulative effects of pesticides namely the herbicides the bees get into while they are out collecting. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: [Biofuel] vanishing honey bees ++ | Vanishing Honeybees Will Affect Future Crops | | from the bee-gone dept. | | posted by kdawson on Tuesday February 27, @14:07 (Bug) | | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/27/179237 | ++ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 3:24 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change:oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
ill take the job, if only to make the other politicians look even dumber than they do now... - Original Message - From: Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change:oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20 Robert, Getcherself on the ballot and I will vote for you...especially since you don't want the job! :-) --Randall - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change:oil executive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20 Randall wrote: Robert, Unless I am just missing something basic...if you are over 35 years old, a natural born citizen of the US, and have lived in the US for 14 years, you are qualified. I don't read anywhere that it says that you have to be a resident for the last 14 years prior to running for election. Plus, don't forget...there are other national offices. :-) --Randall US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. Ok, I looked at my copy of the Constitution and you're right. I'd read the 14 years' residency requirement to mean 14 years immediately prior to running for office. Vote for me!!! Although, I don't really WANT the job . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 3:16 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 3:16 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oilexecutive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
yknow, if someone not born in ameri-co. were to be VP, and the prez died or quit, how would they handle that? - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oilexecutive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20 Fellas, Review that again. Nobody alive today meets that 14 year residency requirement. You would have to be as old as the adoption of the Constitution PLUS 14 years. Bottom line is, if weren't born here you can't be, top dog. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. robert and benita rabello wrote: Randall wrote: Robert, Unless I am just missing something basic...if you are over 35 years old, a natural born citizen of the US, and have lived in the US for 14 years, you are qualified. I don't read anywhere that it says that you have to be a resident for the last 14 years prior to running for election. Plus, don't forget...there are other national offices. :-) --Randall US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. Ok, I looked at my copy of the Constitution and you're right. I'd read the 14 years' residency requirement to mean 14 years immediately prior to running for office. Vote for me!!! Although, I don't really WANT the job . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 3:16 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 3:16 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Meanwhile - Biodiesel start-up hauls in $214 million
i have a novel buried under my bed somewhere. it is one of those cyber-apocalypse, computers destroy the world type things written just before 2000. it didnt really state anything useful, or even really that entertaining (thus it is buried under the bed) except there was one passage where the main characters were playing with acronyms and they came to the conclusion that gods (in the corporate case, demons) DO in fact exist, but only as a collections of minds- similar to a computer network- that create a large, intangible, intelligent, background program (deity). also described in the form of the previously mentioned computer themed acronym as a G.O.D. or group overmind daemon. Take away the minds and the overall conciousness begins to fade. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Meanwhile - Biodiesel start-up hauls in $214 million Unless we speculate that the corporate organizational structure is sufficiently complex to manifest a form of rudimentary and ruthless intelligence that does understand that - the sort of sly stupidity one associates with monsters in mythology. I'm sure there's that too. Not necessarily stupid. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 2/23/2007 1:26 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cities Can Make You Skinny
all the more reason to build up rather than out. i dont like the idea of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on what would amount to a shack were it free standing, though... - Original Message - From: Dawie Coetzee To: Biofuels Mailing List Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Cities Can Make You Skinny This off Yahoo's home page today: LiveScience Staff LiveScience.com Tue Feb 20, 5:31 PM ET People who live in the densest, pedestrian-friendly parts of New York City have a significantly lower body mass index (BMI) compared to other New Yorkers, a new study finds. Lower BMI indicates less body fat. The researchers say placing shops, restaurants and public transit near residences may promote walking and independence from private automobiles. There are relatively strong associations between built environment and BMI, even in population-dense New York City, said the study's lead author Andrew Rundle of the Mailman School of Public Health. The study appears in the March/April issue of the American Journal of Health Promotion. Conversely, other research has shown that suburban sprawl and all the driving that comes with it leads to health woes. In the new study, Rundle and colleagues looked at data from 13,102 adults from New York City's five boroughs. Matching information on education, income, height, weight and home address with census data and geographic records, they determined access to public transit, proximity to commercial goods and services and BMI, a measure of weight in relation to height. City dwellers living in areas evenly balanced between residences and commercial use had significantly lower BMIs compared to New Yorkers who lived in mostly residential or commercial areas. A mixture of commercial and residential land uses puts commercial facilities that you need for everyday living within walking distance, Rundle said. You're not going to get off the couch to walk to the corner store if there's no corner store to walk to. A few related links: http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-2-171-749-6707-1,00.html http://walking.about.com/cs/tours/a/walkcities2003.htm http://members.aol.com/rayzwocker/worldclass/walkable.htm http://www.cooltownstudios.com/mt/archives/000257.html http://www.pedestrianfriendly.com/ www.walkablestreets.com/walkingred.htm http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/06/us_cities_make.php -Dawie -- What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 1:44 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/697 - Release Date: 2/22/2007 11:55 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fund new technology to curb climate change: oilexecutive - CBC.ca - 2007.02.20
i will have to hold off on the other subjects due to lack of experience, but these few i have seen firsthand (submitted topic first, then comment): I got that, but there is also something else that my American upbringing has a hard time understanding. Many Canadians view their government as a partner in dealing with social issues. When a problem arises, I hear calls for government action. As an American, I have an inbred distrust of government that is very hard to explain. So when I read the article its tone sounded very Canadian to me. robert, i understand your position. if D.C. were to sink into the river tomorrow, and take the entire governing body with it, i couldnt be happier. governments lie-period. I wanted to install a wood gasifying boiler when we built our new house, but the municipality prohibits the installation of wood burners because of pollution concerns. What's ridiculous about this is the fact that a gasifier produces virtually NO smoke, yet the municipality allows people to burn their agricultural waste in HUGE bonfires that fill the entire valley air shed with eye-stinging smoke. It's that kind of blindness that irritates me! try for an exemption. city governments are odd critters, sometimes you can catch a trustee's ear and s/he will help you work out the details. it wouldnt hurt to ask, anyway. There are incentives to upgrade furnaces, but not boilers, and the incentives are limited to natural gas appliances. Even if I wanted a heat pump, I'd have to foot the (significant) cost of the installation myself. And worse, the banks are not interested in financing ANY kind of renewable energy. Here are two examples from my own experience as a home builder: 1. I wanted to install a small heliostat for supplemental solar hot water. 2. I planned a battery bank / inverter system as a grid backup, and the foundation for renewable energy collection on my property. When I approached the Credit Union with our building budget, they deleted these two items from my list of expenditures, saying that there was no market for this kind of technology and that installing these things would add no value to my house. (I could upgrade the tile, the laminate flooring and put in fancier fixtures, though!) If I wanted to install these things, I had to pay for them up front. Now, how many of us have extra money laying around when we're building a house? If I hadn't needed the financing, I wouldn't have gone to the Credit Union in the first place! (And trust me, the banks were WORSE! We eventually removed our money and investments from the Royal Bank because they treated us so badly.) heliostats and sunchasers can be made from scrap fairly easily, there are howtos and information all over the net. battery banks, although bulky and sometimes ugly, can be hidden away in a tool shed or basement. check around at heavy-lift repair shops. refurbished 36V electric hoist batteries are not exactly *cheap*-cheap, but they are not expensive either. (Using carbon as raw material to BUILD THINGS) Agreed. Apparently there is a world-wide shortage of carbon fibre now. Seems a bit surreal when we are apparently looking for ways to create carbon sinks. (IMHO, sequestering is not a sink, it is temporary storage.) My eldest son was talking to me about our hybrid Camry the other day as we were tuning my truck. He said: Shouldn't you sell this truck and buy a hybrid truck, too? This gave me the opportunity to talk to him about embodied energy. My truck was built in 1993 and has over 200 000 km on its odometer. Every kilometer that it drives down the road represents more value for the energy that went into its manufacture. my in-laws drove a 1939 chevrolet every day up until the fuel pump failed about six years ago (havent got it back together yet). i wonder how many times it paid for itself over sixty-two years on the road? Our Camry is a delightful machine, and it's REALLY spoiled me, but it's STILL made out of steel. It's as heavy as my truck, too, and while it goes significantly farther on a liter of fuel than does my Ranger, it will have to travel a LONG way before that improvement in fuel economy makes up for the additional energy that went into its manufacture. I'd like to see cars and bikes built out of carbon fiber, but in reality, the biggest single contributor to North American energy use from the consumer's point of view is the automobile. We need to move away from it, and simply substituting steel for carbon and fossil fuel for renewable fuel will not effectively address the underlying issues that have put us into this mess! SEE! SEE! i said so, too! well, not exactly, i suggested using compressed ashes for structural materials, but it follows the same line. - banning incandescents in Oz, and parroted here in Ontario yesterday as being of interest, but I already have some
Re: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority
i see...slash as you call it, i know as tops there is my confusion. tops make for very good firewood from a very small diameter up to splitting wood. my father follows along behind the local loggers and collects everything down to about 4 diameter to sell as firewood. it's free to him, because noone else wants it, and then he makes brushpiles out of the smaller stuff for small animals and birds to shelter in. - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority Hi Jason and Katie, I agree with you about selective logging, however, their would still be slash. The slash comes from the branches that the loggers cut off the trees. Terry Dyck From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:53:25 -0600 i seem to have a problem with the slash aspect to begin with. why not selective harvesting? cut out the scrub and give the healthy trees room to grow. - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority Hi Keith, Using wood waste to create bio-fuel will kill 2 environmental birds with one stone. The air pollution from burning slash left over from logging operations is causing health problems from poor air quality. If we produce biofuel from the slash instead of burning it there will be 2 benefits to the environment. Terry Dyck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:58:07 +0900 Let them eat grass... Ooops, they're going to make ethanol out of all the grass too. The ethanol production process can use grasses, woody plants, and wood waste, he said. Anyone know where you can actually buy some cellulosic ethanol? Or biodiesel from algae? LOL! -- http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/40154/story.htm USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority US: February 5, 2007 NASHVILLE, Tenn., - US Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns assured US cattle producers on Friday that the government will work hard to encourage other ways of making ethanol to give them relief from high corn prices. The price of corn, an important cattle feed, have sped higher as more of the grain goes to making the biofuel ethanol. That is why the Farm Bill proposes a very strong federal commitment to accelerating our research into cost-effective ways of producing cellulosic ethanol from biomass, Johanns said during his address at the convention here of the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, the largest US cattle group. The ethanol production process can use grasses, woody plants, and wood waste, he said. The proposed 2007 Farm Bill released last week recommends US$1.6 billion in new funding over the next 10 years targeted at the development of cellulosic ethanol. It also proposes US$2.1 billion in guaranteed loans for cellulosic projects and construction of plants in rural areas. This constitutes a strong commitment to nailing down the knowledge and building the infrastructure we must have to meet a much larger share of our energy needs, said Johanns. A US$500 million portion of that US$1.6 billion will be used for grants to develop new energy sources, possibly methane gas from livestock waste, he said. All of that could be a part of this initiative, he said. In a press conference following his speech, Johanns said he supported exploring the use of sugar cane and sugar beets to make ethanol. SOUTH KOREA FRUSTRATING Reopening export markets for US beef has been a priority for the NCBA. Overseas markets closed in December 2003 after the United States reported its first case of mad cow disease. Many markets have reopened, with some restricting the type of beef they will accept. South Korea, once the third largest overseas buyer of US beef, is one that remains closed. Last year, South Korea lifted its ban on US beef, but tight restrictions on bone chips and other material has prevented imports from reaching consumers. The United States has been in talks to restart beef sales to South Korea, and more talks are scheduled next week. The situation in Korea has been frustrating. I'm not giving up. Our beef is safe and should be in Korea, said Johanns. The beef issue has been a major barrier in establishing a bilateral trade deal between the two countries. Story by Bob Burgdorfer REUTERS NEWS SERVICE ___ Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [greenconstruction] Re: where do you go to learn how to build a house with bamboo
where do we get local grown bamboo in the U$? - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: [greenconstruction] Re: where do you go to learn how to build a house with bamboo crosspost we just laid bamboo flooring and I am favorably impressed. Kirk Bryan C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: GC YG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bryan C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:35:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [greenconstruction] Re: where do you go to learn how to build a house with bamboo i own Building with Bamboo: A Handbook by Jules J.A. Janssen and i think it is the best practical guide i have found so far. notice how Amazon does not have any b/c it is such a great resource that they can not keep many in stock. here http://www.powells.com/biblio/62-9781853392030-1 is where i bought the book, while visiting friends in Portland OR. i could not beleive i found it in a store, but then i found-out that Powel is that kind of kewl bookstore, go figure (West coast USA). problem with most books is that they treat Building with Bamboo as a hobby activity and not something serious. You might want to try to contact Jules J.A. Janssen and see if you can go to Columbia to learn about building with bamboo. Bamboo Cultivation and Construction Apr 13-15, 2007 http://www.thefarm.org/etc/courses.html course. i visited and know that they have bamboo growing there. March 11-23, Mastatal, Costa Rica. Natural Building in Costa Rica. http://www.yestermorrow.org/courses.htm 888-496-5541. found at www.thelaststraw.org/calendarNB.html http://naturalhomes.org/learning-other.htm this is the most comprehensive list and includes the above two courses. === Re: where do you go to learn how to build a house with bamboo Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know 'bout classes/courses on the subject, but there are a few good books available. Here's an Amazon.com list on the subject: http://tinyurl. com/3ys2t9 Brina === peace be with you regards, brYan Begin doing what you want to do now. We are not living in eternity. We have only this moment, sparkling like a star in our hand, and melting like a snowflake. ~ Marie Beyon Ray member of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greenconstruction/ http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeenergysolutions/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GardeningOrganically/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LittleHouses/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organic_architecture/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rainwater/ http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SolarHeat/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12VDC_Power/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SustainableCommunity/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RUL/ __,_._,___ -- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 4:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 4:17 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Truth or Propaganda?
oh, PLEASE! a few plumbing bits, some assorted cleaning chemicals, and a lead slug could level a truck easily. this is assuming that nobody touched any weapons stash, and everyone was dealing with what they had on hand. why would the Iraqi rebels need Iran's help blowing stuff up? more lies, as usual. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 4:17 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Marijuana Called Top U.S. Cash Crop
if they tax it as hard as cigarettes, there would be plenty of money left after the rehab programs for infrastructure to ship it... - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Marijuana Called Top U.S. Cash Crop So let's legalize it,, knock out the drug gangs, and tax it, using the taxes to fund rehab programs for those who want to stop. MK DuPree wrote: LOL...Courtney is a typical DEA idiot and a complete BONEHEAD...OF COURSE THERE ARE NO MOM-POP BONG SHOPS...YOU'VE ALREADY ARRESTED THEM! And, of course, if it were legalized, then you would take the Mexican drug trafficking group(s) out of the equation, but this makes the argument too complicated for this utter numbskull. Mike DuPree PS HONK FOR HEMP!! - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Marijuana Called Top U.S. Cash Crop See Invisible farming: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#invis --- Marijuana Production in the United States (2006) by Jon Gettman Full text online. http://www.drugscience.org/bcr/ Entire Report (356 kb pdf) http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/MJCropReport_2006.pdf http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=2735017page=1 ABC News: February 14, 2007 | Local News and Weather Marijuana Called Top U.S. Cash Crop Marijuana Takes the Pot as Most Valuable Cash Crop in the Country Marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states and among the top three cash crops in 30, according to a new study. (AP Photo ) By NITYA VENKATARAMAN Dec. 18, 2006 Weeding through the value of the nation's cash crops, a study released today states that marijuana is the U.S.'s most valuable crop and promotes the drug's legalization and taxation. Drug enforcement officials say the equation is not that simple. The report, Marijuana Production in the United States, by marijuana policy researcher Jon Gettman, concludes that despite massive eradication efforts at the hands of the federal government, marijuana has become a pervasive and ineradicable part of the national economy. In the report, Gettman, a marijuana-reform activist and leader of the Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis, champions a system of legal regulation. Contrasting government figures for traditional crops - like corn and wheat - against the study's projections for marijuana production, the report cites marijuana as the top cash crop in 12 states and among the top three cash crops in 30. The study estimates that marijuana production, at a value of $35.8 billion, exceeds the combined value of corn ($23.3 billion) and wheat ($7.5 billion). Pot Tax? To activists for marijuana legalization, the study confirms a position they've held for years, and uses government stats to support their claim. The fact that marijuana is America's No. 1 cash crop after more than three decades of governmental eradication efforts is the clearest illustration that our present marijuana laws are a complete failure, says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington D.C., a group that focuses on removing criminal penalties for marijuana use. Kampia, whose comments were included in the study's press release, adds, Our nation's laws guarantee that 100 percent of the proceeds from marijuana sales go to unregulated criminals rather than to legitimate businesses that pay taxes to support schools, police and roads. A 2005 analysis by Harvard visiting professor Jeffrey Miron estimates that if the United States legalized marijuana, the country would save $7.7 billion in law enforcement costs and could generated as much as $6.2 billion annually if marijuana were taxed like alcohol or tobacco. Miron's report on the costs of marijuana prohibition was signed by more than 500 leading economists, most notably the late Nobel laureate Milton Friedman, who served as an economist in both the Nixon and Reagan administrations. The Dangers of Legalization Aside from the health debate over legalizing marijuana, Garrison Courtney, spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Agency, says groups that advocate its taxation sometimes paint too rosy a picture. It's still a drug, Courtney says. Just because it's a good cash crop doesn't mean you should legalize and tax it. It's not these cute mom-and-pop bong shops anymore, Courtney continued. It's violent drug-trafficking groups that are doing all these grows. Local marijuana growers, he says, are the tentacles of international drug-trafficking organizations that bring weapons, violence and a slew of other drugs into the market. You can't tax a Mexican drug trafficking group, Courtney explains. That's the side a lot of people don't focus on. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] The Anti-Empire Report
i thought the South American empires were wiped out by the europeans before they had the chance to kill themselves off? - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Anti-Empire Report You mean the Roman Empire. Or any of the south american ones. Or. Nah, we are civilized now I tell you. It could never happen to us. Z On 2/15/07, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And witness how our entertainment media is obsessed with violent and scandalous subject matter, our sports become increasingly violent and individual members of our society tend toward increasing levels of egocentricity and self indulgence. Didn' similar things happen in the times leading up to the collapse of previous empires? Joe D. Mindock wrote: snip A truly civilized country wouldn't need a Bill of Rights. But our Decider is trashing it anyway, along with the original document. The war on terrorism has rapidly devolved into a war onto the very things that are essential to a civilized country. I think we are back at the level of barbarism... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 4:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 4:17 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] RFID dust
electronics so small, and finely detailed are notoriously EMF sensitive. a good sized carrier spike (like AM interference from lightning) would most likely seriously hurt the reciever, and probably any amplifiers or power sinks associated with the RF activated electronics. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] RFID dust Hitachi's Tiny RFID Chips from the bugged-dust dept. posted by kdawson on Thursday February 15, @13:05 (Privacy) http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/15/1715210 Hitachi has just come out with a new crop of RFID tags, measuring only 1/20 of a millimeter square. That's 1/8 the size (in linear dimension) of Hitachi's currently shipping mu-chips, which are 0.4 mm square. The new chip's width is slightly smaller than a human hair. These chips could put an end to shoplifting forever, but they could also be used by a governments or other entities to 'dust' crowds or areas, easily tagging anyone present without their knowledge or consent. Will someone come up with a surefire way of neutralizing chips that may be on your body or in your clothing? Hard to pin down a source on this. The article cites another blog, which points to an article in Japanese. -- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 4:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 4:17 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Charging Iran with Genocide Before Nuking It
so who is the real threat from the U$ administration? is it ol' georgie boy, or is it dick cheney? is bush the classical Greek idiotes (unskilled, without influence) and taking hints from cheney, or is he really running things, and dumb as a mud brick? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.37/682 - Release Date: 2/12/2007 1:23 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A New Fast Track For Unfair Trade
war and disappearing jobs... sound familiar? when do the riots start? when did they start last time? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 2/11/2007 6:50 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority
i seem to have a problem with the slash aspect to begin with. why not selective harvesting? cut out the scrub and give the healthy trees room to grow. - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority Hi Keith, Using wood waste to create bio-fuel will kill 2 environmental birds with one stone. The air pollution from burning slash left over from logging operations is causing health problems from poor air quality. If we produce biofuel from the slash instead of burning it there will be 2 benefits to the environment. Terry Dyck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:58:07 +0900 Let them eat grass... Ooops, they're going to make ethanol out of all the grass too. The ethanol production process can use grasses, woody plants, and wood waste, he said. Anyone know where you can actually buy some cellulosic ethanol? Or biodiesel from algae? LOL! -- http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/40154/story.htm USDA Tells Ranchers Non-Corn Ethanol a Priority US: February 5, 2007 NASHVILLE, Tenn., - US Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns assured US cattle producers on Friday that the government will work hard to encourage other ways of making ethanol to give them relief from high corn prices. The price of corn, an important cattle feed, have sped higher as more of the grain goes to making the biofuel ethanol. That is why the Farm Bill proposes a very strong federal commitment to accelerating our research into cost-effective ways of producing cellulosic ethanol from biomass, Johanns said during his address at the convention here of the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, the largest US cattle group. The ethanol production process can use grasses, woody plants, and wood waste, he said. The proposed 2007 Farm Bill released last week recommends US$1.6 billion in new funding over the next 10 years targeted at the development of cellulosic ethanol. It also proposes US$2.1 billion in guaranteed loans for cellulosic projects and construction of plants in rural areas. This constitutes a strong commitment to nailing down the knowledge and building the infrastructure we must have to meet a much larger share of our energy needs, said Johanns. A US$500 million portion of that US$1.6 billion will be used for grants to develop new energy sources, possibly methane gas from livestock waste, he said. All of that could be a part of this initiative, he said. In a press conference following his speech, Johanns said he supported exploring the use of sugar cane and sugar beets to make ethanol. SOUTH KOREA FRUSTRATING Reopening export markets for US beef has been a priority for the NCBA. Overseas markets closed in December 2003 after the United States reported its first case of mad cow disease. Many markets have reopened, with some restricting the type of beef they will accept. South Korea, once the third largest overseas buyer of US beef, is one that remains closed. Last year, South Korea lifted its ban on US beef, but tight restrictions on bone chips and other material has prevented imports from reaching consumers. The United States has been in talks to restart beef sales to South Korea, and more talks are scheduled next week. The situation in Korea has been frustrating. I'm not giving up. Our beef is safe and should be in Korea, said Johanns. The beef issue has been a major barrier in establishing a bilateral trade deal between the two countries. Story by Bob Burgdorfer REUTERS NEWS SERVICE ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Don't waste time standing in line-try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked
Re: [Biofuel] 25 million for good idea
interesting concept. the X-prize worked (sort of), maybe this will drag some useful ideas out of the woodwork? - Original Message - From: fujee01 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: [Biofuel] 25 million for good idea http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/branson-32m-to-fix-global-warming/2007/02/10/1170524347037.html -- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 2/11/2007 6:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 2/11/2007 6:50 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] GM RICE INDUSTRY FACING MELTDOWN - FoE
YEEEHAAA! BAYER MUST DIE!!! - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: [Biofuel] GM RICE INDUSTRY FACING MELTDOWN - FoE GM WATCH daily --- --- 1.GE rice industry facing meltdown as global tide of rejection grows - Greenpeace 2.Re: GM RICE INDUSTRY FACING MELTDOWN - FoE 3.Bayer defends genetic contamination as Act of God - Greenpeace --- --- 1.GE rice industry facing meltdown as global tide of rejection grows Bayer, global pusher of GE rice must admit defeat, says Greenpeace GREENPEACE PRESS RELEASE International 6 February 2007 - - The global rejection of genetically engineered rice is revealed today as 41 of the world'Äôs biggest exporters, processors and retailers issued written commitments to stay GE free. The worldwide tide of opposition is contained in the new Greenpeace rice markets report. The report 'Rice Industry in Crisis' carries extracts of company statements covering Asia, Europe, Australia, and North and South America. (1) and includes a commitment from the world'Äôs largest rice processor, Ebro Puleva, to stop buying US rice. This follows a major contamination incident in 2006, when the world's rice supply was contaminated with an experimental and illegal variety of GE rice produced by biotech company Bayer. Bayer is aggressively pursuing commercial approvals for its GE rice globally, including in Europe and Brazil, yet refuses to accept responsibility for the major financial damage its unauthorised GE rice has caused in the US and elsewhere. Indeed, Bayer is blaming hardworking farmers or 'acts of God' for these problems when all signs point to Bayer being at fault, (4) said Adam Levitt, a partner in the Chicago office of the law firm of Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman Herz 'Äì one of the law firms leading the prosecution of these cases against Bayer. This global contamination and global market rejection of GE rice clearly shows the need for Bayer to withdraw from any further GE rice development, said Jeremy Tager, Greenpeace International rice campaigner. Bayer proves that GE rice is too risky. Through field trials alone Bayer caused massive financial damage to the global rice industry. The commercial growing of GE rice must never become a reality; the impact on the world's most important food crop would be disastrous. The report also examines the significant economic implications of the Bayer contamination, including when rice futures prices plummeted $150 million -- the sharpest one-day decline in years. Experts have predicted that US rice exports may decline by as much as16% in 2006/2007. (2) Several multi-million dollar class action lawsuits have been filed by US farmers who refuse to bear the financial burden of Bayer's irresponsible and negligent conduct. The farmers claim that Bayer is responsible for the contamination of rice supplies and the economic losses the U.S. rice farmers have suffered as a result and must compensate farmers for the monetary and other losses that they have sustained as a result of Bayer'Äôs improper conduct. (3) In addition to the class action lawsuits, several individual lawsuits have also been filed and there are also anecdotal reports that European traders contemplating legal action. As a result of the contamination of the rice supply with Baye's GE rice farmers, millers, traders and retailers around the globe are facing massive financial costs, including testing and recall costs, cancelled orders, import bans, brand damage and consumer distrust 'Äì distrust that could last for years. Governments from around the world must respond to the economic, market and environmental damage caused by the 2006 GE rice contamination and reject outright any GE rice food and cultivation applications currently on the table, said Tager. GE rice should not be developed as genetic engineering is an unnecessary, unwanted and outdated technology that threatens the world'Äôs most important staple food. Greenpeace campaigns for GE-free crop and food production grounded on the principles of sustainability, protection of biodiversity and providing all people access to safe and nutritious food. Genetic engineering is an unnecessary and unwanted technology that contaminates the environment, threatens biodiversity and poses unacceptable risks to health. For more information and interviews Jeremy Tager, Greenpeace International GE campaigner, +31 6 4622 1185 Adam Levitt, partner, Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman Herz LLC, 312-984-, U.S. lawyer representing rice farmers in U.S.-based class action litigation against Bayer Namrata Chowdhary, Greenpeace International communications officer +31 6 4619 7327 Notes to editors (1) Company statements received from the following countries: Japan, Switzerland, France, Hong Kong, Germany, Australia, Pakistan, Thailand, India, Brazil, Spain, Canada and the UK. For statements see pages 7 'Äì 12 of the Rice markets
Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
treat it like a TV tube. once you dump it, leave the jumper leads across the terminals, a HV meter is kind of expensive, personally i think youd do better to take it to the metal yard and get your 1.25$ from the scrappers. - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver See! See! A quick test will a meter might leave you lying on the floor witrh your heart all a twitter. What meter will you use to check 3500 V DC? What voltage are the leads good for? Did you know that even dirt on the outside of the lead wires can be enough of a conductive path to let the discharge flow right down the surface to your hands? No probably not. And it would not be something intuitively obvious to anyone who has not been trained how to work with HV. Because it is not obvious and everyone has to be taught these things. Did you know that the dielectric in a HV capacitor will usually recharge itself quite significantly after a single discharge? It is also a naive assumption that pulling the plug will leave the cap discharged. No offence to you Logan, but your post just serves to illustrate my point. Joe Logan vilas wrote: If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to 60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike. Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe, I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure of the water. The microwave oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am using ozonated water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver OMG please don't do this! The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume. Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other uses for the stuff which
Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc
i like the idea, but i dont favor the design. i would think that to get the soil packed down hard enough to keep it in place would damage the quality of it. is there some detail ive missed, such as a lid or something? - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc Now these are neat! I think I've just added something to the renovation plans for my house. Onsite indoor air quality improvement, not to mention all the other benefits of having plants around instead of all man-made surfaces. Z On 2/2/07, fujee01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this link is better http://www.eltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.21/665 - Release Date: 2/2/2007 11:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.21/665 - Release Date: 2/2/2007 11:39 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed
i guess im still hung up on the microwave end. my RF instructor spent a somewhat disturbing amount of time on encryption and spread spectrum transmission/jamming. it involves a really wide bandpass, an inert signal sweep, a carrier sweep, and a lot of wattage to create a white noise bubble. he tried to pass it off as an essential part of the 801.11x networking standards, but he really dove into jamming and disruption. maybe he suspected something noone else did? as far as coherent signals go, the only thing that we dont have the tech to jam yet is laser, and thats only because we dont have the mainstream capability of reliably producing THz broadcasting frequencies electronically. anyway, Ontario to Australia? col :) - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed Lol I like your mind Jason; Well actually a transmitter doesn't have to be big or powerful to have range. I have had solid communications using CW (morse code) on a home made transmitter about the size of a ham sandwich that operated on the 30m band (10.1MHz) and output only one watt of power while engaged with another station in Australia and I got very complimentary signal reports. This is using a 5/8 wave wire antenna supported by trees and an elevated ground plane of four radial wires also supported by trees while I was camping in northern Ontario. A frequency hopping transciever can be built to operate in these shortwave bands as well and benefit from the awesome propagation that happens there. Coherent techniques have allowed people to communicate with signals actually lower than the noise floor but is an inherently slow mode but very robust. Yeah it sure would be nice to pre-empt the programing on say fox and replace it with your own message wouldn't it. LOL there was a guy back in the day who went by the alias Captain Midnight who did just that. Except his 'message' was nothing more than a computer video signal with nothing but his alias typed out in the middle of the frame. But as with all the trail blazers, he did so at a time when there was no protection against such an exploit. Ahh wasted opportunities. J Jason Katie wrote: yes but to have a spread spectrum transmitter with the same kind of range as a standard single carrier would take either a lot more repeaters- which means more vulnerable infrastructure- or a huge honkin transmitter which means it is a) a bigger target, and b) dependent on a heavy power supply. and as far as messing with the satellites was concerned i meant hijacking an link just as you mentioned (nothing like using their own gear against them...). - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed Are you joking? The military has no need of the web for thier com needs. They have all manner of wireless networks of their own. Most of it is spread spectrum stuff. The also have ELF for communicating with subs clandestinely (which is slow) or can use a blue green laser from a satelite to get a message in quickly when they are not concerned about revealing the sub's location. If the s*** hits the fan the entire EM spectrum will be filled with jamming signals but spread spectrum and coherent techniques are somewhat robust against these tactics. Satelites are surprisingly difficult albeit vulnerable targets although not impossible it takes a great deal of money and commitment to take one out. Uplinks are a different story tho... Joe Jason Katie wrote: so... if they eliminate the entire network that means they would only have satellite communications, and i doubt satellites are that terribly difficult to disrupt either so hackers could play games with the fed directly and cause some serious damage. hummm why does this not make any sense to me? which is worse: having people speak against you with impunity, or having those same people really pissed off and screwing with your only means of communication? just wondering... jason - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed ... Meanwhile... Rumsfeld is still running the War Department Sunday, 28 January 2007 http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/175/1/ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm Friday, 27 January 2006, 18:05 GMT US plans to 'fight the net' revealed By Adam Brookes BBC Pentagon correspondent A newly declassified document gives a fascinating glimpse into the US military's plans for information operations - from psychological operations, to attacks on hostile computer networks. Report
Re: [Biofuel] Some archive searching
i am not entirely worried about how far the dollar falls here- in fact im waiting for it. i can easily go back to the boonies and get by on Ye Auld Garten and a blackpowder rifle. plus the fact that i have been collecting all the scrap copper and aluminum i can get my grimy little paws on. between the materials value and the fact that i will have a halfway decent supply of clean food, i figure i can get by just fine. - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Some archive searching On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:33 AM, DHAJOGLO wrote: Finally, can anyone point me to a primary source (not a vague reference in a news article) of this agreement that initiated oil trade/prices into us dollars? This has been interesting to me lately as well. I'm afraid I can't inform you much, but a lot of it started with the Bretton Woods agreement (700,000 Google hits). Not specifically about oil, but rather international trade in general, and it basically forced everything into dollars de facto. The best thing for the world (tho not US, of course), IMHO, would be a precipitous fall of the dollar, so I'm all in favor of any Euro- based exchanges. -K -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 2:28 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 2:28 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed
yes but to have a spread spectrum transmitter with the same kind of range as a standard single carrier would take either a lot more repeaters- which means more vulnerable infrastructure- or a huge honkin transmitter which means it is a) a bigger target, and b) dependent on a heavy power supply. and as far as messing with the satellites was concerned i meant hijacking an link just as you mentioned (nothing like using their own gear against them...). - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed Are you joking? The military has no need of the web for thier com needs. They have all manner of wireless networks of their own. Most of it is spread spectrum stuff. The also have ELF for communicating with subs clandestinely (which is slow) or can use a blue green laser from a satelite to get a message in quickly when they are not concerned about revealing the sub's location. If the s*** hits the fan the entire EM spectrum will be filled with jamming signals but spread spectrum and coherent techniques are somewhat robust against these tactics. Satelites are surprisingly difficult albeit vulnerable targets although not impossible it takes a great deal of money and commitment to take one out. Uplinks are a different story tho... Joe Jason Katie wrote: so... if they eliminate the entire network that means they would only have satellite communications, and i doubt satellites are that terribly difficult to disrupt either so hackers could play games with the fed directly and cause some serious damage. hummm why does this not make any sense to me? which is worse: having people speak against you with impunity, or having those same people really pissed off and screwing with your only means of communication? just wondering... jason - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed ... Meanwhile... Rumsfeld is still running the War Department Sunday, 28 January 2007 http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/175/1/ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm Friday, 27 January 2006, 18:05 GMT US plans to 'fight the net' revealed By Adam Brookes BBC Pentagon correspondent A newly declassified document gives a fascinating glimpse into the US military's plans for information operations - from psychological operations, to attacks on hostile computer networks. Report: Information Operations Roadmap:[PDF File] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf Bloggers beware. As the world turns networked, the Pentagon is calculating the military opportunities that computer networks, wireless technologies and the modern media offer. From influencing public opinion through new media to designing computer network attack weapons, the US military is learning to fight an electronic war. The declassified document is called Information Operations Roadmap. It was obtained by the National Security Archive at George Washington University using the Freedom of Information Act. Officials in the Pentagon wrote it in 2003. The Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, signed it. The roadmap calls for a far-reaching overhaul of the military's ability to conduct information operations and electronic warfare. And, in some detail, it makes recommendations for how the US armed forces should think about this new, virtual warfare. The document says that information is critical to military success. Computer and telecommunications networks are of vital operational importance. Propaganda The operations described in the document include a surprising range of military activities: public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks. All these are engaged in information operations. Perhaps the most startling aspect of the roadmap is its acknowledgement that information put out as part of the military's psychological operations, or Psyops, is finding its way onto the computer and television screens of ordinary Americans. Information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and Psyops, is increasingly consumed by our domestic audience, it reads. Psyops messages will often be replayed by the news media for much larger audiences, including the American public, it goes on. The document's authors acknowledge that American news media should not unwittingly broadcast military propaganda. Specific boundaries should be established, they write. But they don't seem to explain how. In this day and age it is impossible to prevent stories that are fed abroad as part of psychological operations propaganda from blowing back
Re: [Biofuel] She's Dead, Jim
buy the box truck, and shove the box off it. replace that with a 3x12 plank deck and some side rails. voila - instant straight truck. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:04 PM Subject: [Biofuel] She's Dead, Jim I was riding in the passenger seat as my son was driving my 1990 Chev Cheyenne on Tuesday morning. It has the GM 6.2 litre diesel engine. It was a cold day (-22 C), but the truck started easily (block heater had been used). We were about 4 km out when I heard a new top end racket as he accelerated out of a curve. The check gauges light came on, and the oil pressure was reading zero. I had him pull over and shut down, hoping we were quick enough to avoid damage. Yesterday, I got the preliminary report from the mechanic. The oil pump failed, so the engine was not being lubricated. It is not seized (the engine never got up to temperature on the trip), but there are a lot of ugly noises, even at idle. I trust this shop, and have for years. They figure a bottom-end rebuild is in order, but question the value of proceeding on an 18-year-old truck. The rebuild estimate is approximately what I paid for the truck a year and a half ago. Ironically, this occurred while I was on my way to a funeral. (I made it, but I was late. The tow truck driver dropped us off at the church on the way to the garage. We're on a first name basis. My son thinks that's funny.) I have been running B20 for the past year. I don't think that has anything to do with the oil pump going. Just posting this as a warning to others that this is something to watch out for in the GM engines of this vintage. The truck doesn't get a lot of use, as a rule, but I figure it paid for itself in the time I had it. It carried and pulled a lot in the times it was used. I have started looking for a replacement, but there isn't much to choose from in the low end of the market in terms of diesels. There are some large cube vans available at the top end of my price range (up to Cdn$4500), but they would present an issue in terms of parking. I need something that can pull up to 3500 pounds (Class 2), and carry ugly cargo (compost, scrap metal, used construction material). Pretty doesn't matter - in fact ugly has proven advantageous in terms or reducing requests to borrow the last vehicle. Robust and reliable does matter, as others drive the vehicle more often than I do. I'm thinking either pickup truck or full-size van. Any other thoughts? It took me more than a year to find a diesel the last time, and I don't have the luxury of that much time now. Suggestions? -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.16/660 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 5:04 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.16/660 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 5:04 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed
so... if they eliminate the entire network that means they would only have satellite communications, and i doubt satellites are that terribly difficult to disrupt either so hackers could play games with the fed directly and cause some serious damage. hummm why does this not make any sense to me? which is worse: having people speak against you with impunity, or having those same people really pissed off and screwing with your only means of communication? just wondering... jason - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed ... Meanwhile... Rumsfeld is still running the War Department Sunday, 28 January 2007 http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/175/1/ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm Friday, 27 January 2006, 18:05 GMT US plans to 'fight the net' revealed By Adam Brookes BBC Pentagon correspondent A newly declassified document gives a fascinating glimpse into the US military's plans for information operations - from psychological operations, to attacks on hostile computer networks. Report: Information Operations Roadmap:[PDF File] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf Bloggers beware. As the world turns networked, the Pentagon is calculating the military opportunities that computer networks, wireless technologies and the modern media offer. From influencing public opinion through new media to designing computer network attack weapons, the US military is learning to fight an electronic war. The declassified document is called Information Operations Roadmap. It was obtained by the National Security Archive at George Washington University using the Freedom of Information Act. Officials in the Pentagon wrote it in 2003. The Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, signed it. The roadmap calls for a far-reaching overhaul of the military's ability to conduct information operations and electronic warfare. And, in some detail, it makes recommendations for how the US armed forces should think about this new, virtual warfare. The document says that information is critical to military success. Computer and telecommunications networks are of vital operational importance. Propaganda The operations described in the document include a surprising range of military activities: public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks. All these are engaged in information operations. Perhaps the most startling aspect of the roadmap is its acknowledgement that information put out as part of the military's psychological operations, or Psyops, is finding its way onto the computer and television screens of ordinary Americans. Information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and Psyops, is increasingly consumed by our domestic audience, it reads. Psyops messages will often be replayed by the news media for much larger audiences, including the American public, it goes on. The document's authors acknowledge that American news media should not unwittingly broadcast military propaganda. Specific boundaries should be established, they write. But they don't seem to explain how. In this day and age it is impossible to prevent stories that are fed abroad as part of psychological operations propaganda from blowing back into the United States - even though they were directed abroad, says Kristin Adair of the National Security Archive. Credibility problem Public awareness of the US military's information operations is low, but it's growing - thanks to some operational clumsiness. Late last year, it emerged that the Pentagon had paid a private company, the Lincoln Group, to plant hundreds of stories in Iraqi newspapers. The stories - all supportive of US policy - were written by military personnel and then placed in Iraqi publications. And websites that appeared to be information sites on the politics of Africa and the Balkans were found to be run by the Pentagon. But the true extent of the Pentagon's information operations, how they work, who they're aimed at, and at what point they turn from informing the public to influencing populations, is far from clear. The roadmap, however, gives a flavour of what the US military is up to - and the grand scale on which it's thinking. It reveals that Psyops personnel support the American government's international broadcasting. It singles out TV Marti - a station which broadcasts to Cuba - as receiving such support. It recommends that a global website be established that supports America's strategic objectives. But no American diplomats here, thank you. The website would use content from third parties with greater
Re: [Biofuel] Exxon Cutting Ties to Global Warming Skeptics
i have an idea for these cap/trade agreements. why dont they do the same thing to the companies reserve credits what the companies do to their employee's reserve vacation? my father gets six weeks of vacation every year, and if he does not use all of it, he can only carry one full week of paid leave into the next year. i say let them have their credits, but at the end of the year revoke all but 10% or 1 credit whichever is more. that would mean that no matter how much or how fast a company could sell them, someone would be left holding the bag. then to add insult to injury, revoke a full 10% of the total issued credits every year, regardless of whether or not they have been filled. painful? yeah i know, but who really cares about any company's pain? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.16/660 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 5:04 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Air-freighted food may lose organic label
why should organic food need to be shipped? why not bike transport? the whole idea behind organic is the process-wide health benefits. technically speaking organic food should not be shipped at all. - Original Message - From: Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Air-freighted food may lose organic label Keith Addison wrote: http://environment.guardian.co.uk/food/story/0,,1999460,00.html | Food | Guardian Unlimited Environment Air-freighted food may lose organic label Mark Oliver and agencies Friday January 26, 2007 Guardian Unlimited [snip] Oh great! MORE politics involved in the Organic label. This is a bad idea. While I agree that the lower the transportation miles on the food the better, basing the organic label on that factor is taking the politics of it to a ridiculous degree. Whether or not the food is organic should be based on HOW IT IS GROWN, not how it is shipped! Now, as a disclaimer, I will say I am not a disinterested party in this, because I work for an airline that gets a large bit of its revenue from shipping freight, including organic food. But even if I take a step back from my position as an airline employee I still think basing the organic label on the shipping method is more politics than science. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.16/660 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 5:04 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.16/660 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 5:04 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Inner Space
there are traces and hints that suggest the process nodes inside a cell (mitochondria in specific, possibly others) are not parts of the original cell, but symbiotes that have been absorbed into the genetic program due to their huge benefit to the host cell. i doubt evolution is impossible, but i strongly doubt cells evolved with all these neat functions from the get-go, they were borrowed -or hijacked if you prefer- from parasites or some other cohabitating organism. theft is not merely a human action. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Inner Space Inner Space Darwin based his theory of evolution on the assumption that cells were simple blobs of protoplasm. As this short video demonstrates, they are anything but and, as such, a good argument of why evolution is impossible as a viable theory (though not as a matter of very blind faith, perhaps). http://aimediaserver.com/studiodaily/videoplayer/?src=harvard/harvard.swfwidth=640height=520 The walker was one of my favourites. Kirk -- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 6 stroke motor
heres where a solar still would come in handy. the only drawback is you would have to scrape the mineral sediments out of the container every so often. if a survivalist can suck the water out of desert sand with a plastic bag, saltwater is childs play. - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 6 stroke motor It's not so much peak water, as peak usueable water. If we want freshwater, the oceans are out (or at least expensive to turn into fresh water). That's the problem -- if areas become more arid and glaciers melt, even more of the earth's water will be locked up as saltwater. Z On 1/26/07, doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I hear the term peak water and know the idea behind it, but I can't wrap my mind around the idea that water will become scarcer as the globe warms, unless it escapes our atmosphere into space. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Inline Refractometer?
have you ever opened a commercial grade smoke detector? it is a simple thing consisting of a lensed IR diode and a phototransistor at about a 45* offset inside a baffled chamber. the intensity of the reflected light is monitored by a low grade microprocessor (registers tolerances, address point, and responds to main processor @ control panel) it can be adjusted via software for many environments and tolerance brackets. with a similar arrangement, i bet a PIC or BasicMicro or other such processor would do a fantastic job of this for you, it is just a matter of setting your Zero at distilled water, and choosing a set of density ranges to activate your functions. Jason - Original Message - From: doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Inline Refractometer? I'd say that using a laser diode would work, putting the sensor at right angles to the beam, would let you know how much dissolved or particulate material is reflecting light. In perfectly clean water (liquid) the beam should not be visible. doug swanson -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 6:48 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] French green groups call for national lights-out on Feb 1
the common practice for power overages is to pump it into the ground- i highly doubt it would leave any significant marks on the grid. its too bad the utilities dont believe in batteries... - Original Message - From: Paul Webber To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] French green groups call for national lights-out on Feb 1 What is the chance of something like this damaging parts of the electrical grid??? -paul On 1/24/07, David Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/s/afp/unclimatefrance French green groups call for national lights-out on Feb 1 PARIS (AFP) - French environmentalists have called on citizens to switch off their lights for five minutes on February 1, coinciding with a major meeting here on climate change, to show concern about global warming. By turning off lights and also electrical gadgets that are in stand-by mode, citizens, the media and decision-makers will get the message about energy waste and the urgent need for action, the Alliance for the Planet said on Friday. The scheduled event is for 7:55 pm and 8:00 pm (1855-1900 GMT). The Alliance for the Planet is an umbrella of about 50 green associations, including the local branches of Greenpeace and WWF, and professional organisations connected with the environment. The UN's paramount scientific authority on climate change meets in Paris from January 29 to February 1 to hammer out the first volume of a long-awaited report on the state of global warming today. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is widely expected to declare that climate change is already on the march, many years sooner than expected, and the consequences for humans and biodiversity could be dire. The volume is to be released at a press conference on February 2. The other two follow in April, dealing specifically with the effects of climate change, coping with those impacts and the possibilities for reducing the fossil-fuel pollution causing the problem. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Paul Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 8:40 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 8:40 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Maybe DCA will be given trials
metabolism, not mutations eh? does that mean cancer can also be attributed to bad eating habits and overall dietary stupidity? (along with diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol problems, etc.) - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Maybe DCA will be given trials Maybe DCA will be given trials... But, looking at the history of Big Pharma the AMA, they will do all it can to stop this thing. It cares only about treating diseases, not curing them. A patient cured is a customer lost is their mentality. And cancer is the top money maker. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10971-cheap-safe-drug-kills-most-cancers.html -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 11:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 8:40 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 6 stroke motor
i think weve seen his 6 cycle work before, but i dont remember anything about steam, maybe a new experiment in the series? - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 6 stroke motor Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/302270007/1023/THISWEEKSISSUE Bruce Crower is about as credible as they come. He's not the only person to have thought of this, but if he can make it work, I'm sure it DOES work! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 10:31 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 11:04 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Boom Cheers Grain Farmers, Pinches Food Makers
this just means that farmers wont be able to afford feeding their animals CORN and be forced to graze pastures again. better meat and healthier animals, not too bad i guess... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 11:04 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Sorry State of the Union
stopping earmarks might be good, but how would they fund the military? 15000$ tax cut for buying insurance? SWEET! whats the catch?? oh wait... it has to be private, not a benefit. (how about capping medical fees at less than a quarter of present cost?) ...double the border patrol but make it easier to get in? huh?? (i smell an oxymoron- no, wait, just a moron) oooh energy reform...rght. clean coal, solar, wind, and nuke? wont the coal alone offset the solar and wind power (i wont even get into nuke right now)? EV cars, BD hybrids, cellulosic ethanol. 20% in ten years? fuel standards? your joking right? technologies that have been around for decades arent considered breakthroughs anymore after the first five years. more war on terror take it to the enemy crap, so how many clueless kids got arrested this time?? preaching threats, overthrowing moderate governments, destroying with bombs? did he practice this in a mirror or write it in a mirror? Iraq is not a country, it is an imperial protectorate that should have dissolved into its three constituent kingdoms after the old empire lost control of it, i say let it go. it will be messy, yes, but it will take much less time and pain for all involved than the u$ trying to keep Iraq together. Iraq is not a feasible threat- it never was, and it most likely never will be. feed the world he says- why not stop feeding them crap and let people grow something they can live on?? ok, i give him credit for promoting the child safety and betterment gig, but i still dont quite buy the american compassion thing. and for my final rant- 61 applauses for him? why dont they just let him talk, it would be so much shorter and so much less psychologically painful to the public. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 11:04 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dr Strangelove Saves The Earth
another bizarre- and most likely ineffective- idea came to me this afternoon. i remembered a chem class in high school where the instructor used sulfuric acid to dehydrate sugar. the reaction gave solid graphite carbon, heat, lots of water steam, and acid vapor. i wonder if something like this could be used to trap carbon in solid form, since people cant get past this sequestering idea... the water could be used as coolant and the sulfuric vapors could be collected and reused, and the carbon can be compressed and stacked as blocks, maybe even used in carbon fiber car parts (giving a significant weight/power shift in most small cars). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 10:31 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,
i understand this, but they are patenting a new process that gives them a drug with a different chemical configuration which is technically a different drug even though it has (supposedly) the same effect, and as far as i know an effect cannot be patented, just the path to it. - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it, Jason Katie wrote: http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/101.html it goes on to say in article 102 that if it is not the item or process (big emphasis- the process is basically the invention) originally patented, then it can be patented to the new inventor without infringing on the original inventor's patent. Nope: In order to get a patent, you have to be the inventor. Copying someone elses patented invention isn't the same as inventing. 102, sections E,F and so on. Flipping a few words around in a paragraph or substituting a 'however' for a 'but', doesn't circumvent copyright either. The concept is the same. Why am I having this argument? Whether you ideologically buy into the concept of patents and copyrights or not, The law isn't ambivalent on this. Under the spirit of contemporary law, this is theft. Pure and simple. Google patent theft. All kinda of interesting stuff concerning drugs and medications. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 6:47 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 6:47 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATED
GAAAHH! MORE idiocy!!! CORN IS NOT A GOOD FUEL why cant they figure this out? everyone here knows a dozen or more different sources of liquid fuel, so why cant anyone else come up with one?No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 6:47 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,
http://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/101.html it goes on to say in article 102 that if it is not the item or process (big emphasis- the process is basically the invention) originally patented, then it can be patented to the new inventor without infringing on the original inventor's patent. - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it, Jason Katie wrote: actually if an improvement or modification is made to an existing patent then it can itself can be patented as a whole new invention (at least in america.) I don't think so. Can you cite an example where: a patented work was taken, and modified with the expressed intent to circumvent the patent, And then a a new patent was generated, and the original patent holder contested the new patent unsuccessfully? I don't think so. Look, if you have a patented widget, and I take your widget, reverse engineer it, and replace all the phillips head bolts with hex bolts because they don't strip as easily, replace the carbon steel bit that rusts with a stainless bit that doesn't, and claim a new and improved widget (which is true) that ain't gonna fly. Period. That's theft of intellectual property and it's a patent violation. End of story. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 1/18/2007 6:47 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it,
actually if an improvement or modification is made to an existing patent then it can itself can be patented as a whole new invention (at least in america) - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it, Bob Molloy wrote: Chip Melford asked: So, how does tweaking a substance protected by patent .achieve anything other than broken law or five or more? The answer was there in the original post: Quote: The potential benefits and geopolitical implications of this approach are almost limitless. Imagine a world where the most downtrodden can be rescued from the ravages of chronic disease that now beset them, generation after generation. Granted. But, this doesn't address the question. Sure, taking patented drugs and removing the profit from them so regular people of earth can gain the benefit has great appeal. However, that still doesn't make it legal. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Shakeup for Big Pharm
well its still chemical medicine, but right about now any fight is a good fight... - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Shakeup for Big Pharm Hi All, Something to ponder, a helluva shakeup for Big Pharm. Regards, Bob. Medical Breakthrough Could Change Global Politics By Chris Floyd t r u t h o u t | UK Correspondent Tuesday 16 January 2007 I. The Biochemistry of Hope More war in Iraq. A new front in Somalia. Ships, troops and planes lurking on the borders of Iran. Every day seems to deepen the shadow over the dark valley of our times. Driven by a reckless regime in Washington and the increasingly strident reaction it provokes, and by growing financial and social inequities stranding billions of people in poverty and despair, the geopolitical scene appears locked in a cycle of conflict and chaos that nothing can break. But a quiet announcement at London's Hammersmith Hospital at the turning of the new year heralded a breakthrough that has the potential to be one of the most transformative developments ever seen in global affairs: a positive change on a par with - or even surpassing - the world-altering malignancies of war, greed and strife. But this boon could be strangled in its cradle by the vast corporate interests threatened by its radical new approach to both health care and business. The approach is called ethical pharmaceuticals, and it was unveiled on January 2 by Sunil Shaunak, professor of infectious diseases at Imperial College, and Steve Brocchini of the London School of Pharmacy, the Guardian reports. Their team of scientists in India and the UK, financed by the prestigious Wellcome with technical assistance from the UK government, have developed a method of making small but significant changes to the molecular structure of existing drugs, thereby transforming them into new products, circumventing the long-term patents used by the corporate giants of Big Pharma to keep prices - and profits - high. This will give the world's poorest and most vulnerable people access to life-saving medicines - now priced out of reach - for mere pennies. But the breakthrough is not merely biochemical. Shaunak's team is proposing a new model for the pharmaceutical business. The patent of the transformed drug they have developed is held by non-profit Imperial University. And because their methods are hundreds of millions dollars cheaper than the mammoth development costs of the big pharmaceutical companies - whose spending on marketing and advertising often dwarfs their funding of scientific research - Shaunak and his colleagues can market their vital medicines for infectious diseases at near-giveaway levels, yet still stay in business. How so? By foregoing the profit motive as the ultimate value of their work. People in academic medicine have a choice, Shaunak told an Imperial College journal. They can use their ideas and creativity to make large sums of money for small numbers of people, or they can look outwards to the global community and make affordable treatments for common diseases. The first drug developed by the team is a new version of interferon, the main treatment for Hepatitis C, a debilitating disease that afflicts 200 million people worldwide. Yet only 30 million can afford the medicine. That leaves the rest to face the chronic liver disease and premature death that the illness inflicts. The cost of Hepatitis C treatment in the UK is approximately $13,000 per patient per year, New Scientist reports. Nor can a cheaper version of the existing interferon be made, because Big Pharma players Hoffman-La Roche and Schering Plough hold patents not only on the drug but also on the standard way of adding the special molecules needed to enhance its performance. So Shaunak and Brocchini invented a new way attaching the molecules - from the inside, not the outside - that went around the patent restrictions and produced a medicine that appears to be as effective as the existing product, according to Nature, the leading scientific journal. Their novel methods could also be adapted to extend the effectiveness of drugs for other conditions such as HIV, at a fraction of current costs, Shaunak told New Scientist. Big Pharma says it costs an average of $800 million to create a new drug; but without the need to produce ever-expanding profits for shareholders or use glitzy ad campaigns to push their pills - or lay out the vast political patronage that Big Pharma dispenses each year to keep its favored politicians sweet - Shaunak says his team can now develop essential medicines for only a few million dollars each.
Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk?
not if you buy it as cat food... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's In Your Milk? Raw milk, but it's illegal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which taste do you prefer, John? Doug Woodard St. Catharines, ontario On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, John Mullan wrote: I'm not sure what's in U.S. milk, or Canadian milk for that matter. But I live right on the border and often we get groceries in the U.S. for significant savings. But I have to share the fact that the taste of Wegman's milk is significantly different than our Canadian milk yet I'm sure our commercial factory farms do some of the same things. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist
whatever happened to putting honey in your tea? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist I personally don't like any of the Artificial sweeteners out there. If you want something sweet, you put sugar in it. If normal table sugar doesn't dissolve well, you go to finely ground confectioner's sugar. This goes for coffee, tea, cookies, cakes, candy; anything that needs sweetening gets real sugar put in it. Maybe there are, maybe there aren't hidden death-agents in the Artificial stuff; all I know is they have all shown to leave a nasty aftertaste that requires consuming incredibly strong-tasting foods to get rid of. I do, however, still drink sodas; everyone needs a vice, after all. I just don't drink any of the diet or low calorie sodas, as they tend to run heavy on the artificials and I'm active enough to burn off calories from the real thing. -Kurt Logan Vilas wrote: Not trying to be too much of a smartass, but 300 million Americans, 187 million annually =623 thousand per an American annually That's a little off somewhere. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Mindock Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:34 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: [Biofuel] Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist Splenda Explodes Internally, Says Chemist By Shane Ellison, M.Sc. Copyright 2006C _www.healthmyths.net http://www.healthmyths.net/ http://www.healthmyths.net/ _ NewsWithViews.com 1-11-7 If there were a contest for the best example of total disregard for human life, the victor would be McNeil Nutritionals---makers of Splenda^(TM). Manufacturers of Vioxx^(TM) and Lipitor^(TM) would tie for a very distant second. McNeil Nutritionals is the undisputed drug-pushing champion for disguising their drug Splenda as a sweetener. Regardless of its drug qualities and potential for side effects, McNeil is dead set on putting it on every kitchen table in America. Apparently, Vioxx and Lipitor makers can't stoop so low as to deceptively masquerade their drug as a candy of sort. There is no question that their products are drugs and by definition come with negative side effects. Rather than sell directly to the consumer, these losers have to go through the painful process of using doctors to prescribe their dangerous goods. A keen student in corporate drug dealing, McNeil learned from aspartame and saccharine pushers that if a drug tastes sweet, then let the masses eat it in their cake. First though, you have to create a facade of natural health. They did this using a cute trade name that kind of sounds like splendid and packaged it in pretty colors. Hypnotized, the masses were duped instantly. As unquestionably as a dog humps your leg, millions of diabetics (and non-diabetics) blindly eat sucralose under the trade name Splenda in place of real sugar (sucrose). Splenda was strategically released on April fool's day in 1998. This day is reserved worldwide for hoaxes and practical jokes on friends and family, the aim of which is to embarrass the gullible. McNeil certainly succeeded. The splendid Splenda hoax is costing gullible Americans $187 million annually*^1 *. While many people wonder about the safety of Splenda, they rarely question it. Despite its many unknowns and inherent dangers, Splenda demand has grown faster than its supply. No longer do I have to question my faith in fellow Man. He is not a total idiot, just a gullible one. McNeil jokesters are laughing all the way to the bank. Splenda is not as harmless as McNeil wants you to believe. A mixture of sucralose, maltodextrine, and dextrose (a detrimental simple sugar), each of the not-so-splendid Splenda ingredients has downfalls. Aside from the fact that it really isn't sugar and calorie free, here is one big reason to avoid the deceitful mix . . . think April fool's day: Splenda contains a potential poison---the drug sucralose. This chemical is 600 times sweeter than sugar. To make sucralose, chlorine is used. Chlorine has a split personality. It can be harmless or it can be life threatening. In combo with sodium, chlorine forms a harmless ionic bond to yield table salt. Sucralose makers often highlight this worthless fact to defend its safety. Apparently, they missed the second day of Chemistry 101---the day they teach covalent bonds. When used with carbon, the chlorine atom in sucralose forms a covalent bond. The end result is the historically deadly organochlorine or simply: a Really-Nasty Form of Chlorine (RNFOC). Unlike ionic bonds, covalently bound chlorines are a big no-no for the human body. They yield insecticides, pesticides, and herbicides---not something you want in the lunch box of your
Re: [Biofuel] Threats of Peak Oil to the Global Food Supply
anyone see that old movie waterworld ? i kind of like the idea of that aerofoil wind turbine that was built into the mast of the main character's catamaran. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Frank Navarrete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Threats of Peak Oil to the Global Food Supply [snip] Perhaps lessons and plans on how to build wooden boats along with some sailing lessons are in order. [snip] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel More biodiesel in the marketplace could help make biodiesel's cost even more competitive with diesel fuel, Pearson said. The board estimates that U.S. biodiesel production is tripling annually, going from 25 million gallons in 2004 to 75 million gallons last year. The final tally for 2006 should be between 150 and 225 million. Biodiesel costs about $1 a gallon more to produce than conventional diesel, but federal tax breaks for fuel distributors help hide that cost from consumers. BD a dollar more than DD? what a crock. if we can do it in our collective garage for less than a dollar a gallon why cant they do it in a huge super-specialized facility for even less? man, these corporate types are dumber than i thought...and i figured they were they were incompetent to begin with. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
it's just another lever... using one kind of energy to move macinery to move another kind of energy, where's the confusion in that? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum The actual input to this system is somewhere above 31,413 BTUs -- not the 8,221BTUs you indicate -- some input being electrical energy, and some being thermal energy in that 50F entering water. When defining a thermodynamic system, it does not matter what form energy crosses the boundry of the system -- thermal, mecahnical, electrical, it all counts. Perhaps in the heat pump industry they refer to this as over-unity, but to a physicist, just hearing that immediately makes us discount it as nonsense. I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't think the arguement here is about whether heat pumps work, or how they work, but whether the definition over-unity can be applied to them. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel
ok, i can see your point, but i have to contend the fact that WE spend a world more time and labor on collection, feedstock can be had for pennies (if anything at all), RD can be written off as an investment, safety inspections are only yearly, the admin overhead can be easily reduced by not paying the admin so damn much, and the only reason the gov't regs are so expensive to meet is because the ASTM test array (six right?) costs just slightly more than the change you can find in the boardroom couch, and they keep making crap fuel and have to retest every run, so thats 12,000USD right there that gets tossed out the window every time they screw up a run. i doubt it would affect them as heavily if they would do it right the first time... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tyson and Chicken fat as Biodiesel Jason Katie wrote: BD a dollar more than DD? what a crock. if we can do it in our collective garage for less than a dollar a gallon why cant they do it in a huge super-specialized facility for even less? man, these corporate types are dumber than i thought...and i figured they were they were incompetent to begin with. They have a lot more fingers in their pies than you do, with government regulations, paying for collection time and labor and feedstock, Research and Development costs that must be recouped, government regulations, safety inspections, administrative overhead... did I mention the government regulations they have to meet? With oil production subsidized like it is, I'm not surprised that it costs more to produce BD than DD. But I imagine that if you stripped all the subsidies off of both of them, petrodiesel would come out more expensive than the bio. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 3:33 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] EPA going to reduce hybrid mileage by ignoring electricdriving.
well...if you take into consideration the fact that their standards revolve around the gasoline powered engines, i dont see this as an entirely bad thing. the large vehicles will take a huge PR hit, and nothing gives a company more incentive to improve than bad PR and lower sales. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:27 AM Subject: [Biofuel] EPA going to reduce hybrid mileage by ignoring electricdriving. ++ | Hybrids Beware? EPA Revises Mileage Standards | | from the lies-damn-lies-and-downhill-coasters dept. | | posted by timothy on Tuesday December 26, @16:04 (Power) | | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/26/2021204 | ++ Shivetya writes The federal Environmental Protection Agency announced a [0]new system for determining the fuel economy of many cars and trucks. Hardest hit will be hybrids as all-electric driving is not considered. At the same time, many medium-duty vehicles will get rated, but not have to be published until 2011 This move to more realistic ratings will severely reduce the high numbers some cars have posted. Discuss this story at: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=06/12/26/2021204 Links: 0. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1212-05.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/605 - Release Date: 12/27/2006 12:21 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/605 - Release Date: 12/27/2006 12:21 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Origin of the 42-Year Stonewall of Vitamin C
my grandfather had polio when he was a kid. put him in leg braces for a while. after all was said and done, he still had a bum knee, but it didnt cause any significant lasting damage. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Origin of the 42-Year Stonewall of Vitamin C D. Mindock wrote: I think that this would make a pretty good docudrama. Peace, D. Mindock = The Origin of the 42-Year Stonewall of Vitamin C Of course it should be modulated by the fact that most cases of polio were no worse than a bad case of influenza, and only about 15% of cases developed full blown Polio-Myelitis. I'm not so sure about the stonewall either, given that Vitamin C is probably the most supplemented vitamin in the world. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] venturi, and how to get one...maybe.
i was looking through the archives here just a bit ago, and i thought of something. my father in law's pressure washer has a line feed for soap bottles. if you can get a junked power washer you might just have a cheap venturi on your hands... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] concept power source, and possible coooling system for Earth
I keep remembering things like this... but there was a solar wind generator somewhere or another (maybe it was never built, i dont know, i read about it in a magazine in the dentists office) the design was a tower built on a massive greenhouse that was open at the bottom so solar energy could heat the air inside and drive a turbine in the upper tower. what would the implications be if this was built over a body of water and allowed to create a vapor plume into the atmosphere? would it increase cloud cover and slow insolation, or would it just increase the amount of heat trapped by the atmosphere? what about building it over a forest? the airflow over the trees would deposit CO2... there would have to be some kind of canal system for irrigation, but it could make a fantastic atrium/solar generator/CO2 scrubber. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 1:45 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing
the whole point behind my argument is that the little guy has the ability to learn and adapt fairly quickly, but the fat rich are so hung up on their dollars that when a loaf of bread costs 25 bucks and they only have a few hundred thousand in fluid assets it burns up pretty fast (imagine what everything else would cost if bread is 25$ a loaf). i contend that when the crap flies it will be the little guy that adapts to survive and starts providing for himself, and the fat man that starves because he cant keep up. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing Jason, I'm not sure I understand is it wise to try and save the dollar (USD I assume). The point of my post was that we generally do nothing when the USD devaluates other than make what appear to us to be the best purchasing moves. ex I see the beer I like selling at $10 (USD) for a 6 pack. I see another beer I also like for $5 for a 6 pack. I choose the less expensive of the two. (This applies to other products as well, and becomes more significant when money is tight.) On the other side of the pond, American made goods are less expensive, and therefore may be more attractive, than European made. Increased production/jobs, etc in US, more balance in trade USD restored. Former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan was accused of neglect for not doing anything when the USD dropped to it's lowest point vs the Euro (Dec 2004) He simply allowed homeostatic mechanisms to restore balance. . This is why China resists inflating the value of their currency (yuan) despite the urging of the rest of the world. China can maintain a very favorable balance of trade exports exceed imports, production is high, jobs for an enormous workforce, etc. If the US economy does take a huge hit . who stands to suffer most here in the US? The rich?? The power people who put us in the mess we're in?? Come on, we both know the answer to the question. Bring it on, I'm ready No thanks, unless you can tell me how we feed a few million more hungry children. Just my thoughts, Tom - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing is it wise to try and save the dollar? sometimes the best (and only) way to learn is from your mistakes... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing In an effort to help restore balance to our balance of trade, and thereby bouy the falling USD, I crossed Pauli Girl Dark off my shopping list and invested in a 12 pack of Yuengling's Original Black and Tan. --- Hear Hear Kirk Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I have my own concerns regarding the US economy . debt, trade deficit, housing market how it is being financed, etc etc. What measures madmen with power will use to protect us. I follow currencies as I follow species of organisms as indicators of economic/environmental woes. Just as our environment has been signaling us about problems (for some time now) I think we are getting some real serious signals regarding our economy. For info re: currency pairs what has happened, upcoming news drivers, predictions, etc. there are websites such as www.dailyfx.com The Non-Farm Payroll (NFP) numbers come out today. It is one of the major factors that will effect the USD no mention of any Iranian switch to Euros, or the impact it has had/is having on USD. Just my thoughts: If the spike in EUR/USD to 133 (Thanksgiving weekend) was due to expectations of a switch by Iran from USD to EUR for oil purchase, and a return to 133 (12/6/06) occurred on the actual news of the switch, the switch apparently had very little impact on the strength of the dollar. I would have expected much more. Let's take a short walk through the recent past: Almost 2 years ago End of Dec 2004 (12/29 -12/31): EUR/USD = 1.36+ (highest that I know of...speculation we may hit 1.37 by June) GBP/USD = approaching 1.9200 USD/JPY = ~103 End of March 2005 (just 3 months later) EUR/USD = 1.3200 (-2.9%) GBP/USD = 1.8911 (-1.5%) USD/JPY = 106.80 (+3.7%) (USD is gaining strength against each of the 3 currencies) End of June 2005 (another 3 months
Re: [Biofuel] The Death of a Compost Bin
i suggest a steel drum on a hand dolly. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] The Death of a Compost Bin Although I don't do all of my composting in a bin, nearly all of our household table scraps and the entire collection of waste from our bunny cage went into a black plastic compost bin. Please note the past tense verb . . . About a week or so ago, we had a blast of arctic air sweep through this area. Temperatures plummeted and with the outflow winds howling out of the east, windchills of -20 C lasted for two or three days. (I know that some of you further east will probably laugh at this, but for those of us who live near the ocean, -20 is pretty cold!) The moisture in my compost bin expanded as it froze, literally warping or shattering the plastic bin. The whole thing actually fell over this morning. I went out to clean up the mess and found the top third of the contents completely preserved and uncomposted (big surprise, it's been cold, right?), the middle third consisted of a singular mass of partially composted, frozen material, while the bottom third remained warm enough to keep on decomposing. But the composter is toast. I'll have to construct another one because I'm NOT going to use plastic again . . . What do the rest of you use for compost bin construction material? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 12:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 12:53 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing
is it wise to try and save the dollar? sometimes the best (and only) way to learn is from your mistakes... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing In an effort to help restore balance to our balance of trade, and thereby bouy the falling USD, I crossed Pauli Girl Dark off my shopping list and invested in a 12 pack of Yuengling's Original Black and Tan. --- Hear Hear Kirk Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I have my own concerns regarding the US economy . debt, trade deficit, housing market how it is being financed, etc etc. What measures madmen with power will use to protect us. I follow currencies as I follow species of organisms as indicators of economic/environmental woes. Just as our environment has been signaling us about problems (for some time now) I think we are getting some real serious signals regarding our economy. For info re: currency pairs what has happened, upcoming news drivers, predictions, etc. there are websites such as www.dailyfx.com The Non-Farm Payroll (NFP) numbers come out today. It is one of the major factors that will effect the USD no mention of any Iranian switch to Euros, or the impact it has had/is having on USD. Just my thoughts: If the spike in EUR/USD to 133 (Thanksgiving weekend) was due to expectations of a switch by Iran from USD to EUR for oil purchase, and a return to 133 (12/6/06) occurred on the actual news of the switch, the switch apparently had very little impact on the strength of the dollar. I would have expected much more. Let's take a short walk through the recent past: Almost 2 years ago End of Dec 2004 (12/29 -12/31): EUR/USD = 1.36+ (highest that I know of...speculation we may hit 1.37 by June) GBP/USD = approaching 1.9200 USD/JPY = ~103 End of March 2005 (just 3 months later) EUR/USD = 1.3200 (-2.9%) GBP/USD = 1.8911 (-1.5%) USD/JPY = 106.80 (+3.7%) (USD is gaining strength against each of the 3 currencies) End of June 2005 (another 3 months) EUR/USD = ~1.2100 (-8.3%) GBP/USD = 1.8095(-4.3%) USD/JPY = 110.66 (+3.8%) (USD continues to gain strength) In 6 months there were significant reversals in these three currency pairs. Why? 1. At 1.36+ European goods become far less attractive to US consumers. (On a personal note: As I saw the price of imported beer go from $6/6 pack to $7, to $8, to $9, and even $10/6 pack I re-discovered Miller Brewery (Milwaukee, WI, USA) and Yuengling's Brewery (Pottsville, PA, USA). US goods appear more attractive to European and British consumers. Exchange rates effect tourism as well. This effects Balance of Trade. It was in either Feb or March of 2005 that the USD gained strength simple because the trade deficit was predicted to be only $65 billion (vs $69 billion the previous month). When it turned out to be only $64 billion there was an immediate ( within 20 minutes of the announcement) spike in the USD across the board. With increase in exports, (decreased trade deficit) comes increase in jobs, average worker salary, average hours worked/week, consumer confidence, decreased inventory etc. . All drivers of currencies whose country they are associated with. 2. I think it was in the spring of 2005 that Alan Greenspan began announcing Fed rate increases. You want to see spikes in currency values . the first few rate hikes .02 increases in USD vs every other major currency within 15 - 20 minutes of the announcement. (Investors get 100% return for each .01 change ... if it is in the direction they traded). Subsequent hikes were assumed, and the USD continued to strengthen. 3. Mortgage rates were very low in 2004 + springtime/summer house building boom was in full gear. The USD was back from its lowest point relative to the EUR with most of us not even noticing the trip. The current devaluation of the USD did not start this past Thanksgiving weekend. It started back in the end of April of 2006. 4/11/06: EUR/USD = 1.2113 GBP/USD = 1.7425 USD/JPY = 118.71 2 weeks later (4/25/06): EUR/USD = 1.2380 (+2.2%) GBP/USD = 1.7840 (+2.4%) USD/JPY = 114.54 (-3.5%) By summer (7/10/06): EUR/USD = 1.2734 (+ 5% in 3 months) GBP/USD = 1.8392 (+5.5% in 3 months) USD/JPY = 114.12 (-3.9% ) As of this morning 12/8/06: EUR/USD = 1.3338 (+4.7% in 5 months) GBP/USD = 1.9693 (+7% in 5 months) *USD/JPY = 115.09 (USD stronger today than during the summer) **USD/CAD = 1.1485 (In early July of this year the USD broke an all-time
Re: [Biofuel] How to Hedge
family farming and barter. you could also try asking your neighbors if you can borrow a corner of their yards in trade for a supply of vegetables. people need food, and they most likely would be willing to give you needed supplies or help with work in trade for it. i say start stockpiling preserves and canning vegetables, food is money. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] How to Hedge As I watch and learn it's interesting to note that hedging against an economic collapse is a difficult thing. For instance, I don't own land that I can use to plant crops, raise live stock, and generally subside on. Further, in order to get such land I either have to wait several years to save enough money or go into debt. Normally, a small amount of debt would not be of concern. But when an economy collapses, debt is one of the biggest concerns. So how does one hedge without going into debt? I posit that co-ops are an option but they too become vulnerable in a depression. Any ideas? -dave On Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:27 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:27:54 -0800 (PST) From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] solar cell achieves 40.7% conversion efficiency http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/06/027228 ...with DOE funding, a concentrator solar cell produced by Boeing-Spectrolab has recently achieved a world-record conversion efficiency of 40.7 percent, establishing a new milestone in sunlight-to-electricity performance. - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.14/578 - Release Date: 12/7/2006 1:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.14/578 - Release Date: 12/7/2006 1:27 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing
i have my mind. i am ready. BRING IT ON! Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing Here is a link on the subject you might find very informative: http://www.oilempire.us/iran.html In addition to the questions you ask in your post, ask yourself what happens when countries which are holding huge amounts of US dollar ( because they need it to buy oil) have the option to dump the dollar and convert to euro or yen? What will the dumping do to the value of the dollar? What will it do to the US economy? Scarry thoughts? Joe MK DuPree wrote: I just heard on CNBC this morning, Wednesday, December 6, about 10:00amEST, that it has been officially confirmed that Iran is pricing its' oil in Euros. There was also mention of Russia doing same as well as pricing their oil in Yen, so both Euros and Yen for Russian oil. I have recently read somewhere, don't remember where, so can only suggest, that along with keeping oil in the ground, keeping oil priced in US$ is the bottom line reason for our war in Iraq. Obviously, with the US$'s further decline, depending upon your point of view, there is greater pressure on the US to either find ways to militarize throughout the planet or to find alternative sources of energy. Some might say both. Curious how the List evaluates these developments and any additional information anyone can offer. I know Keith has posted reference to an article by Greg Palast, Keeping Iraq's Oil in the Ground. This article makes a case for the US role in Iraq being the manipulation of oil prices, as long as oil is priced in US$s. What happens, however, when oil is priced in another currency against which the US$ weakens? Plenty of other questions to ask. But this is a start. Mike DuPree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.11/575 - Release Date: 12/6/2006 12:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.11/575 - Release Date: 12/6/2006 12:22 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing
well... now would be a fantastic time to invest in euros... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil Pricing http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7374585792978336967 If you havent seen his explanation of why and how it is well worth doing so. Inflation is my guess and a dead economy. Stagflation? on steroids. :( Kirk Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a link on the subject you might find very informative: http://www.oilempire.us/iran.html In addition to the questions you ask in your post, ask yourself what happens when countries which are holding huge amounts of US dollar ( because they need it to buy oil) have the option to dump the dollar and convert to euro or yen? What will the dumping do to the value of the dollar? What will it do to the US economy? Scarry thoughts? Joe MK DuPree wrote: I just heard on CNBC this morning, Wednesday, December 6, about 10:00amEST, that it has been officially confirmed that Iran is pricing its' oil in Euros. There was also mention of Russia doing same as well as pricing their oil in Yen, so both Euros and Yen for Russian oil. I have recently read somewhere, don't remember where, so can only suggest, that along with keeping oil in the ground, keeping oil priced in US$ is the bottom line reason for our war in Iraq. Obviously, with the US$'s further decline, depending upon your point of view, there is greater pressure on the US to either find ways to militarize throughout the planet or to find alternative sources of energy. Some might say both. Curious how the List evaluates these developments and any additional information anyone can offer. I know Keith has posted reference to an article by Greg Palast, Keeping Iraq's Oil in the Ground. This article makes a case for the US role in Iraq being the manipulation of oil prices, as long as oil is priced in US$s. What happens, however, when oil is priced in another currency against which the US$ weakens? Plenty of other questions to ask. But this is a start. Mike DuPree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.11/575 - Release Date: 12/6/2006 12:22 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.15.11/575 - Release Date: 12/6/2006 12:22 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
its all about the surface area. i assume the flask you were using had an opening of between three and five cm? try using a wide shallow pan or a big bowl. and the oil layer doesnt have to be super thick, maybe 5mm. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Doesn't castor oil absorb alcohol? If so the heat would cause the alcohol to evaporate out of the water, but it would combine with the Castor oil. That should raise the alcohol boiling point. Maybe once the Castor oil becomes saturated with alcohol then any remaining alcohol would appear on the surface. Also maybe raising the temp more but keeping it under water's boiling point would cause it to boil out of the castor oil, but keep the water below the castor. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:23 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Hi Tom Well I put a couple of bottles of my hooch in a flask and dumped enough castor oil on top to form a layer about 2cm thick. Heated to 60 degrees C and started to nod off while waiting for something to happen. So I went to bed and left the hot plate on overnight..well in the morning..I crept downstairsfull of anticipation, like a child on Chritmas morning and..there was this collosal.huge...disappointment. There was nothing interesting. Even though I had crossed my heart and hoped to die. So I reduced the oil layer to about 2mm to try again. It is stormy here today and the temperature controller I am using is digital and uses pulse control for power modulation with a solid state relay. I didn't feel comfortable leaving the experiment running while I went to work in case of a surge on the electrical which could result in the loss of the relay and the hot plate then running full blast so I shut it down. I'll try again over the weekend if I can. It looks like the diffusion rate of alcohol through the castor oil is depressingly slow. It may still work though but may require a lot of time. If so it might be a candidate for some type of solar heated affair that you just let sit for days. Dunno. It's no majik bullet at least. Maybe seives is still the best bet. Haven't tried corn grits yet either Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, What's the word? I've had my fingers, eyes,and heart (?) crossed for days now . on the edge of my seat, waiting a shivers for the results of the castor oil screen/ pinot noir experiment. My fingers and eyes are holding up but my heart is starting to cramp up. Encouraging? Discouraging? Inconclusive? If I recall correctly, any response with the term bat guano in it means Sorry, I don't want to talk about it. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Hi Tom; Yes you got the idea I am thinking about. I worked a bit on the setup last night. I've got some old pinot noir I made a few years back ( which is a difficult grape at the best of times) which is a bout a on the dryness scale. I'll take a bottle or two and put it in a flask and pour in some castor oil which will float on the surface. Since the flask narrows at the top it won't take too much castor oil to form the barrier layer. I'll heat to just below the boiling point and see what happens. Perhaps the alcohol molecules will drag some water with them as you said. The only way to know is to find out. In the very least I'll have some high potency ethanol for making herbal tinctures. If I'm lucky I'll have dry ethanol!! Fingers crossed, eyes crossed, heart crossed, hoping to find out. Tirah Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Hi Joe, I didn't follow you when you wrote: I am really curious about the castor oil trick. I wonder how to do it? I think the methanol I have recovered is already over 90% pure and I think the castor oil would sink to the bottom. If there was a high percentage of water the oil would float on top and you could do something like normal distillation through the oil layer evaporating pure alcohol off the top of the oil layer and gradually removing it from the water below. I haven't done any experiments yet. Of course the goal is to move to ethyl eventually as well. I thought the idea was to dissolve the distilled alcohol in castor oil, then remove the water that does not dissolve and then proceed to distill the alcohol from the castor oil.
Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
you have to find the flash point for the ethanol quantity. i also believe that high percentages of ethanol are more agreeable. this would be a refining step in a larger process, not a means of distilling. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) its all about the surface area. i assume the flask you were using had an opening of between three and five cm? try using a wide shallow pan or a big bowl. and the oil layer doesnt have to be super thick, maybe 5mm. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Doesn't castor oil absorb alcohol? If so the heat would cause the alcohol to evaporate out of the water, but it would combine with the Castor oil. That should raise the alcohol boiling point. Maybe once the Castor oil becomes saturated with alcohol then any remaining alcohol would appear on the surface. Also maybe raising the temp more but keeping it under water's boiling point would cause it to boil out of the castor oil, but keep the water below the castor. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:23 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Hi Tom Well I put a couple of bottles of my hooch in a flask and dumped enough castor oil on top to form a layer about 2cm thick. Heated to 60 degrees C and started to nod off while waiting for something to happen. So I went to bed and left the hot plate on overnight..well in the morning..I crept downstairsfull of anticipation, like a child on Chritmas morning and..there was this collosal.huge...disappointment. There was nothing interesting. Even though I had crossed my heart and hoped to die. So I reduced the oil layer to about 2mm to try again. It is stormy here today and the temperature controller I am using is digital and uses pulse control for power modulation with a solid state relay. I didn't feel comfortable leaving the experiment running while I went to work in case of a surge on the electrical which could result in the loss of the relay and the hot plate then running full blast so I shut it down. I'll try again over the weekend if I can. It looks like the diffusion rate of alcohol through the castor oil is depressingly slow. It may still work though but may require a lot of time. If so it might be a candidate for some type of solar heated affair that you just let sit for days. Dunno. It's no majik bullet at least. Maybe seives is still the best bet. Haven't tried corn grits yet either Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, What's the word? I've had my fingers, eyes,and heart (?) crossed for days now . on the edge of my seat, waiting a shivers for the results of the castor oil screen/ pinot noir experiment. My fingers and eyes are holding up but my heart is starting to cramp up. Encouraging? Discouraging? Inconclusive? If I recall correctly, any response with the term bat guano in it means Sorry, I don't want to talk about it. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Hi Tom; Yes you got the idea I am thinking about. I worked a bit on the setup last night. I've got some old pinot noir I made a few years back ( which is a difficult grape at the best of times) which is a bout a on the dryness scale. I'll take a bottle or two and put it in a flask and pour in some castor oil which will float on the surface. Since the flask narrows at the top it won't take too much castor oil to form the barrier layer. I'll heat to just below the boiling point and see what happens. Perhaps the alcohol molecules will drag some water with them as you said. The only way to know is to find out. In the very least I'll have some high potency ethanol for making herbal tinctures. If I'm lucky I'll have dry ethanol!! Fingers crossed, eyes crossed, heart crossed, hoping to find out. Tirah Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Hi Joe, I didn't follow you when you wrote: I am really curious about the castor oil trick. I wonder how to do it? I think the methanol I have recovered is already over 90% pure and I think the castor oil would sink to the bottom. If there was a high percentage of water the oil would float on top and you could
Re: [Biofuel] was...More Weird Weather
it is normally taken dissolved in water. (see http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#health ) 1 g glycerine per kg of body weight dissolved in 25 ml water per kg of body weight. for example, i weigh ~80kg so i would dissolve 80g of glycerine in 2L of water. if you get too much it makes you puke, and gives you a headache, and it can also aggravate preexisting problems(high blood pressure, diabetes, and kidney problems.) also not good for pregnant women because of preeclampsia *sp?*. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: leo bunyan To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was...More Weird Weather Good idea Jason how would you suggest it be taken Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if papaya oil has cooling properties in the human body, wouldnt glycerine do similar things? it lowers body temp and superhydrates the blood. i have no idea about platelet counts, but it seems to me it would be good for fever and dehydrating sicknesses like influenza. GASP! another possible tool against disease that doesnt involve a vaccine! its terrorist i tell you! Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Manick Harris To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Yikes I shall have to move from my coastal home to higher ground or be awashed out to sea in not too distant future. Better earlier than insufferably later, even if Iam round the world from record snowfalls.Emissions affect whole world.Here is another piece from a doctorr for the benefit of everybody: Difficult to believe but true !!! Subject: FW: Dengue CureJuice of Papaya Leaf Dear All, I would like to share this interesting discovery from a classmate's son who has just recovered from dengue fever. Apparently, his son was in the critical stage at the SJMC ICU when his pallet counts drops to 15 after 15 litres of blood transfusion. His father was so worried that he seeks another friend's recommendation and his son was saved. He confessed to me that he give his son raw juice of the papaya leaves. From a pallet count of 45 after 20 litres of blood transfusion, and after drinking the raw papaya leaf juice, his pallet count jumps instantly to 135. Even the doctors and nurses were surprised. After the second day he was discharged. So he ask me to pass this good news around. Accordingly it is raw papaya leaves, 2 pcs just cleaned and pound and squeeze with filter cloth. You will only get one tablespoon per leaf. So two tablespoon per serving once a day. Do not boil or cook or rinse with hot water, it will loose its strength. Only the leafy part and no stem or sap. It is very bitter and you have to swallow it like Won Low Kat. But it works. Papaya Juice - Cure for Dengue You may have heard this elsewhere but if not I am glad to inform you that papaya juice is a natural cure for dengue fever. As dengue fever is rampant now, I think it's good to share this with all. A friend of mine had dengue last year. It was a very serious situation for her as her platelet count had dropped to 28,000 after 3 days in hospital and water has started to fill up her lung. She had difficulty in breathing. She was only 32-year old. Doctor says there's no cure for dengue. We just have to wait for her body immune system to build up resistance against dengue and fight its own battle. She already had 2 blood transfusion and all of us were praying very hard as her platelet continued to drop since the first day she was admitted. Fortunately her mother-in-law heard that papaya juice would help to reduce the fever and got some papaya leaves, pounded them and squeeze the juice out for her. The next day, her platelet count started to increase, her fever subside. We continued to feed her with papaya juice and she recovered after 3 days!!! Amazing but it's true. It's believed one's body would be overheated when one is down with dengue and that also caused the patient to have fever. Papaya juice has cooling effect. Thus, it helps to reduce the heatiness in one's body, thus the fever will go away. I found that it's also good when one is having sore throat or suffering from heatiness. Dr Sumedha Bajaj Bombay Hospital 12, Marine Lines, Mumbai - 400 020, India. 022-2067676 * Fax No. 2080871 robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again! I just read in the paper that the dump of snow we got on Sunday broke the standing record for snowfall in a single
Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
i believe it, but i wasn't joking either. i seriously think that is what will happen. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Hi Jason, A new report states that CO2 has increased by 250% since the year 2000. That could explain the weird weather. Terry Dyck From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:22:07 -0600 i have a theory about how all of this climate change is going to proceed. all the gases and toxins that are being shoved into the atmosphere will hold heat and all this fantastic energy will hyperactivate the weather, the rain will pull particulates and volatiles out of the air in the rainshadows. the droughts will clear the landscape in certain key equatorial areas which will be prime ground for containment, and over hundreds (maybe thousands) of years, the water cycle will carry the toxins to the sun blasted equator where they will be deposited as salts and other contaminated solids and be truly sequestered (or become rancid festering swamps where no creature would dare go). granted during this time, humanity and most of the weaker species on earth will be killed off... but hey, what can i say? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather JAMES PHELPS wrote: This year was hotter than the records set in 1930 in Wyoming ND SD NE and it was a tie in Montana. A caveat when discussing weather in relation to Global warming. I often hear people say so much for global warming on days like this in Montana ( -40 F wind chills +10 deg F still) but they really don't understand that this is nothing - Montana has not had a normal winter for well over 6 years. My point in using these extreme examples, is that climate change results in weather patterns that fall outside of norms. In simple terms, the earth acts like a giant heat engine. All of the energy that's getting trapped in the atmosphere gets expressed in the form of stronger high pressures (warm air) and lower low pressures (cold air). The warmth in the oceans is transpiring into the atmosphere as vapor and condensing as either rain or snow, depending on the air temperature. We've had an enormous amount of precipitation recently, which means that somewhere on earth, LESS rain and snow is falling. Drought and deluge are part of the shifting climate, as is the increasing severity of the storms we're seeing. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Download now! Visit http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ to enter and see how cool it is to get Messenger with you on your cell phone. http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message
Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
, A new report states that CO2 has increased by 250% since the year 2000. That could explain the weird weather. Terry Dyck From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:22:07 -0600 i have a theory about how all of this climate change is going to proceed. all the gases and toxins that are being shoved into the atmosphere will hold heat and all this fantastic energy will hyperactivate the weather, the rain will pull particulates and volatiles out of the air in the rainshadows. the droughts will clear the landscape in certain key equatorial areas which will be prime ground for containment, and over hundreds (maybe thousands) of years, the water cycle will carry the toxins to the sun blasted equator where they will be deposited as salts and other contaminated solids and be truly sequestered (or become rancid festering swamps where no creature would dare go). granted during this time, humanity and most of the weaker species on earth will be killed off... but hey, what can i say? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather JAMES PHELPS wrote: This year was hotter than the records set in 1930 in Wyoming ND SD NE and it was a tie in Montana. A caveat when discussing weather in relation to Global warming. I often hear people say so much for global warming on days like this in Montana ( -40 F wind chills +10 deg F still) but they really don't understand that this is nothing - Montana has not had a normal winter for well over 6 years. My point in using these extreme examples, is that climate change results in weather patterns that fall outside of norms. In simple terms, the earth acts like a giant heat engine. All of the energy that's getting trapped in the atmosphere gets expressed in the form of stronger high pressures (warm air) and lower low pressures (cold air). The warmth in the oceans is transpiring into the atmosphere as vapor and condensing as either rain or snow, depending on the air temperature. We've had an enormous amount of precipitation recently, which means that somewhere on earth, LESS rain and snow is falling. Drought and deluge are part of the shifting climate, as is the increasing severity of the storms we're seeing. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Download now! Visit http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ to enter and see how cool it is to get Messenger with you on your cell phone. http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts
i hear toyota and honda have 4cyls that are easily adapted to Flexing. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts I don't think that adding water would be the right way to go. I think the problem is that ethanol has a higher vapor pressure than gasoline, and in cold weather, it is hard to get it to vaporize into a fuel-air mixture effectively. Gasoline vaporizes much easier, and gets the engine going and initiates the combustion. But water has an even higher vapor pressure than ethanol, plus it is not a fuel, so I don't think it would help. Since all of the commercially produced flex fuel vehicals that I've seen are designed to run E85, I think they just rely on the gasoline content to start in the winter. What bugs me is that I can't buy any flex fuel vehicals that are efficient -- I mean, if I want a flex fuel vehical, I have to upgrade to a full sized pickup or a V8 sedan. Where's the little 4 cylinder efficient flex fuel vehical? Guess it's not all that hard to change out carbureator jets to change the fuel air ratio yourself to allow running ethanol. Z On 11/28/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I've read that people using ethanol, blend in 15 - 20% gasoline to improve cold weather starts. What would one do if they were running on 85 - 90% ethanol : 10 -15% water to improve cold weather starts? Do flex fuel cars have options for block heaters? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts
they keep barrels of it in the blastproof paint bunker in the harley factory up by the airport. i dont know how reactive it is, but apparently it burns REALLY fast. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and cold starts Oops. You are right. But my reasoning was right, if you reverse what i said about vapor pressure. Hmmm, methyl ethyle ketone as I recall that stuff is pretty hazardous, but perhaps no more so than unleaded gasoline. Z On 11/28/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke you have vapor pressure backwards. Lower vapor pressure means less volatile. The boiling point of a liquid is defined as that temperature when the vapor pressure equals atmospheric pressure (760 mm Hg at sea level) Zeke Yewdall wrote: I don't think that adding water would be the right way to go. I think the problem is that ethanol has a higher vapor pressure lower vapor pressure than gasoline, and in cold weather, it is hard to get it to vaporize into a fuel-air mixture effectively. Gasoline vaporizes much easier, and gets the engine going and initiates the combustion. But water has an even higher vapor pressure lower than ethanol, plus it is not a fuel, so I don't think it would help. Since all of the commercially produced flex fuel vehicals that I've seen are designed to run E85, I think they just rely on the gasoline content to start in the winter. the only way to improve cold starts on a vehicle running on ethanol water would be to add a something more volatile (higher vapor pressure) which is miscible with the more polar ethanol water mix. The problem here is that vapor pressure and water solubility tend to be inversely proportional. One guess would be acetone,or possibly methyl ethyl ketone. both should be miscible in ethanol/water but more volatile than either. What bugs me is that I can't buy any flex fuel vehicals that are efficient -- I mean, if I want a flex fuel vehical, I have to upgrade to a full sized pickup or a V8 sedan. Where's the little 4 cylinder efficient flex fuel vehical? Guess it's not all that hard to change out carbureator jets to change the fuel air ratio yourself to allow running ethanol. what's a carburetor? :- Z On 11/28/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I've read that people using ethanol, blend in 15 - 20% gasoline to improve cold weather starts. What would one do if they were running on 85 - 90% ethanol : 10 -15% water to improve cold weather starts? Do flex fuel cars have options for block heaters? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob -- Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] any feedback on Cascade Commentaries?
i was wandering about the 'net today, and came across this page called Cascade Commentaries. i had never heard of it before and wondered if they were worth their salt? i see that they have the empirical measurements for the BD process on their page, but they say nothing about washing or titrating. the author is an Angela Eckhardt, but other than that i know nothing about them. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
i have a theory about how all of this climate change is going to proceed. all the gases and toxins that are being shoved into the atmosphere will hold heat and all this fantastic energy will hyperactivate the weather, the rain will pull particulates and volatiles out of the air in the rainshadows. the droughts will clear the landscape in certain key equatorial areas which will be prime ground for containment, and over hundreds (maybe thousands) of years, the water cycle will carry the toxins to the sun blasted equator where they will be deposited as salts and other contaminated solids and be truly sequestered (or become rancid festering swamps where no creature would dare go). granted during this time, humanity and most of the weaker species on earth will be killed off... but hey, what can i say? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather JAMES PHELPS wrote: This year was hotter than the records set in 1930 in Wyoming ND SD NE and it was a tie in Montana. A caveat when discussing weather in relation to Global warming. I often hear people say so much for global warming on days like this in Montana ( -40 F wind chills +10 deg F still) but they really don't understand that this is nothing - Montana has not had a normal winter for well over 6 years. My point in using these extreme examples, is that climate change results in weather patterns that fall outside of norms. In simple terms, the earth acts like a giant heat engine. All of the energy that's getting trapped in the atmosphere gets expressed in the form of stronger high pressures (warm air) and lower low pressures (cold air). The warmth in the oceans is transpiring into the atmosphere as vapor and condensing as either rain or snow, depending on the air temperature. We've had an enormous amount of precipitation recently, which means that somewhere on earth, LESS rain and snow is falling. Drought and deluge are part of the shifting climate, as is the increasing severity of the storms we're seeing. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 6:09 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was...More Weird Weather
if papaya oil has cooling properties in the human body, wouldnt glycerine do similar things? it lowers body temp and superhydrates the blood. i have no idea about platelet counts, but it seems to me it would be good for fever and dehydrating sicknesses like influenza. GASP! another possible tool against disease that doesnt involve a vaccine! its terrorist i tell you! Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Manick Harris To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather Yikes I shall have to move from my coastal home to higher ground or be awashed out to sea in not too distant future. Better earlier than insufferably later, even if Iam round the world from record snowfalls.Emissions affect whole world.Here is another piece from a doctorr for the benefit of everybody: Difficult to believe but true !!! Subject: FW: Dengue CureJuice of Papaya Leaf Dear All, I would like to share this interesting discovery from a classmate's son who has just recovered from dengue fever. Apparently, his son was in the critical stage at the SJMC ICU when his pallet counts drops to 15 after 15 litres of blood transfusion. His father was so worried that he seeks another friend's recommendation and his son was saved. He confessed to me that he give his son raw juice of the papaya leaves. From a pallet count of 45 after 20 litres of blood transfusion, and after drinking the raw papaya leaf juice, his pallet count jumps instantly to 135. Even the doctors and nurses were surprised. After the second day he was discharged. So he ask me to pass this good news around. Accordingly it is raw papaya leaves, 2 pcs just cleaned and pound and squeeze with filter cloth. You will only get one tablespoon per leaf. So two tablespoon per serving once a day. Do not boil or cook or rinse with hot water, it will loose its strength. Only the leafy part and no stem or sap. It is very bitter and you have to swallow it like Won Low Kat. But it works. Papaya Juice - Cure for Dengue You may have heard this elsewhere but if not I am glad to inform you that papaya juice is a natural cure for dengue fever. As dengue fever is rampant now, I think it's good to share this with all. A friend of mine had dengue last year. It was a very serious situation for her as her platelet count had dropped to 28,000 after 3 days in hospital and water has started to fill up her lung. She had difficulty in breathing. She was only 32-year old. Doctor says there's no cure for dengue. We just have to wait for her body immune system to build up resistance against dengue and fight its own battle. She already had 2 blood transfusion and all of us were praying very hard as her platelet continued to drop since the first day she was admitted. Fortunately her mother-in-law heard that papaya juice would help to reduce the fever and got some papaya leaves, pounded them and squeeze the juice out for her. The next day, her platelet count started to increase, her fever subside. We continued to feed her with papaya juice and she recovered after 3 days!!! Amazing but it's true. It's believed one's body would be overheated when one is down with dengue and that also caused the patient to have fever. Papaya juice has cooling effect. Thus, it helps to reduce the heatiness in one's body, thus the fever will go away. I found that it's also good when one is having sore throat or suffering from heatiness. Dr Sumedha Bajaj Bombay Hospital 12, Marine Lines, Mumbai - 400 020, India. 022-2067676 * Fax No. 2080871 robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again! I just read in the paper that the dump of snow we got on Sunday broke the standing record for snowfall in a single day, a record that has stood since the late 1800's when local people began recording snowfall. This was followed by arctic outflow, which dropped temperatures precipitously, and guess what--on Monday we set a record for low temperatures! But this climate change stuff isn't real, right? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol for gas cars
most gasoline powered cars run at 8+ any more, so a true flex fuel vehicle (similar to the aforementioned 2 1/2 ton hauler) could be made from existing parts, its just the fuel feed adjustments that would give you problems. a computer would have to be built and programmed with multiple feedback functions to accomodate any mixture of the usable fuels. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol for gas cars Just to add some food for thought here on this subject. If you build the engine for the fuel type you will get top performance. this performance may even exceed the performance of a similar engine designed to run on unleaded. Where all the problems come from is trying to run anengine designed for one fuel on another. In exalmple if I wanted to get top performance out of propane fuel I would start with a 9-10 : 1 compression ratio would create an engine withas good or better performance to one designed at 7-8:1 designed for unleaded regular gasoline. Jim From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol for gas cars Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:51:09 -0500 Hi Zeke, You wrote: I think that a gas car would run fine on ethanol denatured with either biodiesel or methanol. Two questions: 1. I have heard/read from what I consider to be reliable sources that gas cars can be converted to run fine on 80 - 85% ethanol (15 - 20% water). True or False??? If this is the case, the fly in the ointment for a homebrewer (US) is that the mix has to be denatured . unleaded gasoline is not a good choice because of the water concentration. To denature with gasoline water conc must be only 1 or 2% . that's the tough part. 2. If methanol is a suitable denaturant, at what level (%) does methanol become a problem for engine parts? I appreciate your thoughts on this. Tom - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) On 11/26/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, Add BD to denature . great idea. Still perfectly suitable for making ethyl esters. It wasn't on the list of possibilities, but there is an option to apply for different denaturants. The idea on denaturing the ethanol is to make it unsuitable for drinking. Would ~ 2% BD make it unsuitable for drinking? I thought that biodiesel was non-toxic -- enough so that you could drink a 2% solution? It you're going to drink 98% ethanol, are you going to be concerned about a little biodiesel in there? I think that a gas car would run fine on ethanol denatured with either biodiesel or methanol. Z If not, couldn't it be denatured with methanol? .. cut back 98+% on methanol use. Uh-oh Now YOU have me thinking . dangerous am using a table saw again today. Would 80 - 85% ethanol, denatured with methanol (2%?) be suitable for gas cars? Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Joe and Tom, Yes they won't sell anhydrous Ethanol e-100 without adding gasoline or . perhaps Biodiesel if the customer asks for it that way, Hmm now if I can just get my friend at the Ethanol plant to use Biodiesel to denture it instead of gas. H Jim - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Hi Joe, I didn't follow you when you wrote: I am really curious about the castor oil trick. I wonder how to do it? I think the methanol I have recovered is already over 90% pure and I think the castor oil would sink to the bottom. If there was a high percentage of water the oil would float on top and you could do something like normal distillation through the oil layer evaporating pure alcohol off the top of the oil layer and gradually removing it from the water below. I haven't done any experiments yet. Of course the goal is to move to ethyl eventually as well. I thought the idea was to dissolve the distilled alcohol in castor oil, then remove the water that does not dissolve and then proceed to distill the alcohol from the
Re: [Biofuel] The Cultural Differences
i dont find my country amusing, and -with exceptions- am not proud of its people. it is rather deplorable if you ask me. horrors abroad, idiocy at home, and noone willing to stand up and say HEY DUMBASS! YOU GOT IT WRONG! GO FIX IT! and make some real changes for the better. believe me ive been saying it for a while, and all i get are funny looks. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: leo bunyan To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Cultural Differences good to find americans that can laugh at themselves Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HA HA HA!!! oh man! this is really funny. and the jabs at americans are totally true... (BTW i am american sad to say) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: leo bunyan To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:11 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Cultural Differences Aussies: Dislike being mistaken for Pommies (Brits) when abroad. Canadians: Are rather indignant about being mistaken for Americans whenabroad. Americans: Encourage being mistaken for Canadians when abroad. Brits: Can't possibly be mistaken for anyone else when abroad. Aussies: Believe you should look out for your mates. Brits: Believe that you should look out for those people who belong to your club. Americans: Believe that people should look out for take care ofthemselves. Canadians: Believe that that's the government's job. Aussies: Are extremely patriotic to their beer. Americans: Are flag-waving, anthem-singing, and obsessively patriotic to the point of blindness. Canadians: Can't agree on the words to their anthem, when they can bebothered to sing them. Brits: Do not sing at all but prefer a large brass band to perform theanthem. Americans: Spend most of their lives glued to the idiot box. Canadians: Don't, but only because they can't get more American channels. Brits: Pay a tax just so they can watch four channels. Aussies: Export all their crappy programs, which no-one there watches, to Britain, where everybody loves them. Americans: Will jabber on incessantly about football, baseball, andbasketball. Brits: Will jabber on incessantly about cricket, soccer, and rugby. Canadians: Will jabber on incessantly about hockey, hockey, hockey, hockey, and how they beat the Americans twice, playing baseball. Aussies: Will jabber on incessantly about how they beat the Poms in every sport they play them in. Americans: Spell words differently, but still call it English. Brits: Pronounce their words differently, but still call it English. Canadians: Spell like the Brits, pronounce like Americans. Aussies: Add G'day, mate and a heavy accent to everything they say in an attempt to get laid. Brits: Shop at home and have goods imported because they live on an island. Aussies: Shop at home and have goods imported because they live on anisland. Americans: Cross the southern border for cheap shopping, gas, liquor in a backwards country. Canadians: Cross the southern border for cheap shopping, gas, liquor in a backwards country. Americans: Drink weak, pissy-tasting beer. Canadians: Drink strong, pissy-tasting beer. Brits: Drink warm, beery-tasting piss. Aussies: Drink anything with alcohol in it. Americans: Seem to think that poverty failure are morally suspect. Canadians: Seem to believe that wealth and success are morally suspect. Brits: Seem to believe that wealth, poverty, success and failure areinherited things. Aussies: Seem to think that none of this matters after several beersSend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.17/553 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 4:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.17/553 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 4:00 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search
Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
yeah, a wealth of full metal jacket .223's. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax Hi Fred, Did I read you right? That Americans share their wealth? Examples please, Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Fred Oliff To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax maybe we ought to re-define what is meant by rich? what is wealth after all if you do not share it? And the Americans do! what is wealth if you do not have your health, but a huge burden? -- From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:09:10 -0700 snicker snicker snicker, OK specificaly the USA ( richest country in the world is a quote from a Canadian I met) From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:33:13 -0500 What? Luxembourg doesn't have universal healthcare? JAMES PHELPS wrote: I guess another question would be how this relates to freedom? And why is it the richest country in the world cannot come up with universal health care. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.17/553 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 4:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.17/553 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 4:00 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
methanol can also be used as a denaturant, at 5%. ANYWAY... gasoline in small amounts will not ruin a reaction, but it will pollute the BD with unwanted fossil products. and anhydrous alcohol is not difficult to buy in bulk, its just a lot more expensive (and probably - long term - cheaper to make yourself...). Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Jim, Bad news. I don't think it will ever be possible to obtain 99%+ ethanol in the US unless you make it yourself. That is exactly what I planned to work on this past summer. I contacted the National Revenue Center to get info regarding ethanol production in order to make ethyl esters. They were very helpful. It is necessary to obtain a permit. Ethanol used on the premises covered under the permit does not have to be denatured, but any ethanol that leaves the premises must be denatured ex. 2 gal of unleaded gasoline added to 100 gal of ethanol. Because of this, I don't think it will be possible to obtain ethanol from another site. I don't know what effect the 2 gallons of gasoline/100 gal of ethanol would have on the transesterification process. I also suspect that only an E-85 blend would be available. May have to consider making fuel grade ethanol. I got discouraged and put it aside. Tom From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? It is something that I intend to fiddle with soon. I like ethanol as it won't blind you only makes you see double temporarily ;^). Jim - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but carbon neutral as well. May have to tweak the process a bit . vacuum to reduce water in oil? Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method. Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion when ethanol (99%+) becomes available. Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Francisco, I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway. The current timing is right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for production in 2007. We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from when my methanol is out. Jim - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a
Re: [Biofuel] The Cultural Differences
HA HA HA!!! oh man! this is really funny. and the jabs at americans are totally true... (BTW i am american sad to say) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: leo bunyan To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:11 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Cultural Differences Aussies: Dislike being mistaken for Pommies (Brits) when abroad. Canadians: Are rather indignant about being mistaken for Americans whenabroad. Americans: Encourage being mistaken for Canadians when abroad. Brits: Can't possibly be mistaken for anyone else when abroad. Aussies: Believe you should look out for your mates. Brits: Believe that you should look out for those people who belong to your club. Americans: Believe that people should look out for take care ofthemselves. Canadians: Believe that that's the government's job. Aussies: Are extremely patriotic to their beer. Americans: Are flag-waving, anthem-singing, and obsessively patriotic to the point of blindness. Canadians: Can't agree on the words to their anthem, when they can bebothered to sing them. Brits: Do not sing at all but prefer a large brass band to perform theanthem. Americans: Spend most of their lives glued to the idiot box. Canadians: Don't, but only because they can't get more American channels. Brits: Pay a tax just so they can watch four channels. Aussies: Export all their crappy programs, which no-one there watches, to Britain, where everybody loves them. Americans: Will jabber on incessantly about football, baseball, andbasketball. Brits: Will jabber on incessantly about cricket, soccer, and rugby. Canadians: Will jabber on incessantly about hockey, hockey, hockey, hockey, and how they beat the Americans twice, playing baseball. Aussies: Will jabber on incessantly about how they beat the Poms in every sport they play them in. Americans: Spell words differently, but still call it English. Brits: Pronounce their words differently, but still call it English. Canadians: Spell like the Brits, pronounce like Americans. Aussies: Add G'day, mate and a heavy accent to everything they say in an attempt to get laid. Brits: Shop at home and have goods imported because they live on an island. Aussies: Shop at home and have goods imported because they live on anisland. Americans: Cross the southern border for cheap shopping, gas, liquor in a backwards country. Canadians: Cross the southern border for cheap shopping, gas, liquor in a backwards country. Americans: Drink weak, pissy-tasting beer. Canadians: Drink strong, pissy-tasting beer. Brits: Drink warm, beery-tasting piss. Aussies: Drink anything with alcohol in it. Americans: Seem to think that poverty failure are morally suspect. Canadians: Seem to believe that wealth and success are morally suspect. Brits: Seem to believe that wealth, poverty, success and failure areinherited things. Aussies: Seem to think that none of this matters after several beersSend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.17/553 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 4:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.17/553 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 4:00 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
you cannot repeat CAN NOT let the mash boil when using a castor screen, it will allow watery droplets of stock to the top and contaminate the batch. and i think (need to test) if you let the mix settle long enough, the oil will settle through the alcohol and force the water to the bottom - i think. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol) Well Tom; Seives will definitely do but there are the nagging problems we discussed. You could make a trap by welding or modifying a suitable pressure vessel. I was thinking of using a scrapped fire extinguisher. Put a fitting on the other end end and screens in the bottom to keep the seive pellets inside. Wrap the whole thing with heater tape and fiberglass insulation. That would be sweet but if you ever had a boilover it would mean oil contaminating the seives..a risk I guess. I am really curious about the castor oil trick. I wonder how to do it? I think the methanol I have recovered is already over 90% pure and I think the castor oil would sink to the bottom. If there was a high percentage of water the oil would float on top and you could do something like normal distillation through the oil layer evaporating pure alcohol off the top of the oil layer and gradually removing it from the water below. I haven't done any experiments yet. Of course the goal is to move to ethyl eventually as well. soon Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, I got a bit discouraged re: the distillation of ethanol. I have plans for making a reflux still out of a beer keg. I think it will distill to 92 - 95% purity. A friend gave me a beer keg . problem: It's full of beer !!! Got to get a tap and empty it. I think your idea of a trap, containing zeolite, between the still and the condenser is a good one. Vacuum would allow for regeneration of the zeolite at temps low enough to be energy efficient and would not damage the zeolite. How do we heat the trap? I'm at the beginning, middle, end of about a dozen projects some have stalled due to loss of interest I've got to rally. Time to get back to it! We should work together. I really want to get off the meth;) Ditto Maybe this little methanol price crisis will serve as a wake-up call ... Good to hear from you Hope you're on the mend Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Making Methanol Hi Tom; I couldn't agree more. I have always planned to attempt ethyl esters. That's one of the reasons I went for vacuum as I understand the limits for water are much tighter with ethyl esters production. Don't forget about the castor oil method for drying alcohol. I got some castor oil to experiment with but due to an injury I have been laid up for a while and haven't done much. Time to get back to it! We should work together. I really want to get off the meth;) Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Kurt, Thanks for the info. Doesn't sound like something I'll be doing at home. People get into producing their own BD for a variety of reasons including the feeling that someone's (petroleum industry) got you in a vise and can simply squeeze you at a whim. My concern is that methanol supply could be the Achille's heal of BD production. It's still the main link between BD and fossil fuels, and what compromises BD's carbon neutrality. I wish I could make it/get it from a renewable/carbon neutral source. Jim's reminder re: ethyl esters may get me back to looking at ethanol production. Thanks again, Tom - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Making Methanol It's possible, using the same process as rendering methanol from natural gas, but as I recall some of their catalysts are pretty nasty. Takes a good bit of steam, too, at least during certain portions of the process. -Kurt Thomas Kelly wrote: It appears to be difficult to make methanol from wood. Is it possible/reasonable to make methanol from methane gas? Methane gas generated from manure would make the methanol produced from it renewable and carbon neutral. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Great letter to Sen John McCain
i would assume that this is why so many independents have been popping up lately... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Great letter to Sen John McCain The republican party has gone off the deep end, though many of them probably aren't that bad, such as peole like McCain who I used to respect, but he is getting dragged to the right to avoid loosing support from his party leadership. Look at what happened to Lincoln Chafee in this election -- despite being a better person than many democrats, and opposing a heck of a lot of GWB's policies, he lost the race, because of the R next to his name -- I heard many polls indicating that people liked him fine alone, but could not bring themselves to vote for someone of the same political party as Bush. On 11/21/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This letter brings out the sentiments that a lot of us here in the USA feel about John McCain who's probably going to run for president in '08. An excellent piece of writing. Peace, D. Mindock P.S. Colin Powell also was similarly reprogrammed. http://www.strike-the-root.com/62/herman/herman4.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release Date: 11/21/2006 10:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release Date: 11/21/2006 10:36 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] converts
hummm im a little faded right nnow, but i have good reason(at least in my rum soakled mind... rum...huh?).annyway, i seem to have covinced one of my friendssto look into biodiesel, and ethanol, and various otther nergy sources. t least before i was toaasted it seemed like it. he wassr ather enthusiastic abboutr it.. drunken Jason PS hey kirrk.im liking the pandora thingty. nott much good radioi arounsd this dump[. ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release Date: 11/21/2006 10:36 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
i took a little peek into this Rife Oscillator, and i dont think the radio cure had anything to do with the input, but everything to do with the resonance of the particular critter with one of the output frequencies... kind of like a crystal in an opera hall, it doesnt fry the bug, it blows it to shreds. supposedly Rife had a Resonance Index of all the most common and deadliest germs at the time, but it was lost in an arson attack on his lab. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Don't use your device to try to kill dogs please. tallex the only problem I am having with my dog mortality oscillator is making a frequency with more than one wavelength! He illuminated the microbe (usually a virus or bacteria) with two different wavelengths of the same ultraviolet light frequency I am curious as to how you plan to do this. ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Sent: 16 Nov '06 14:25 Howdy D, D. Mindock wrote: ** *Royal Rife, M.D. http://rife.org/ He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism).* not to worry, see for example hulda clarks zapper http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/D/DifferencesBetweenZappers.html I'm currently working on a long range mortality oscillator for the dogs that killed a couple of my goats. * Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%.* * His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man.* * * ** *Royal Raymond Rife* Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was ridiculed for years for his theory that germs could cause disease. Scores of other medical visionaries went through hell for simply challenging the medical status quo of day, including such legends as Roentgen and his X-rays, Morton for promoting the 'absurd' idea of anaesthesia, Harvey for his theory of the circulation of blood, and many others in recent decades including: W.F. Koch, Revici, Burzynski, Naessens, Priore, Livingston-Wheeler, and Hoxsey. Orthodox big-money medicine resents and seeks to neutralize and/or destroy those who challenge its beliefs. Often, the visionary who challenges it pays a heavy price for his 'heresy.' So, you have just discovered a new therapy which can eradicate any microbial disease but, so far, you and your amazing cure aren't very popular. What do you do next? Well, certainly the research foundations and teaching institutions would welcome news of your astounding discovery. Won't they be thrilled to learn you have a cure for the very same diseases they are receiving hundreds of millions of
Re: [Biofuel] was...Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
its basically an AM hetrodyne mixer and two RF generators on a horn antenna (easy parts to get ahold of). youd have to use it in a brass cage though, because the 800+ MHz range is right up there with cell phones and government radio in the u.s. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] was...Curing Cancer with the Rife machine HI, The Royal Rife article is VERY interesting. I want more info on this tech. Besides the net, I will forward it to my brother who is a professor of genetics bsc phd and has spent his life on research in these areas. I will be very interested in what he has to say about Rife. Since I have extensive background in sound tech, it is no sweat for me to construct a high quality frequency generator that would also generate an infinite range of rich harmonic frequencies, tibres, amplitudes, gates etc. I guess part of the secret is obtaining (rediscovering) Rifes research on the resonance frequencies of the various viruses and microbes. Then finding the best frequencies and resonance harmonics, amplitude, tibre, gate etc to cause the microbe to resonate itself apart. Of course this is a simplified version of part of what he did but if it was actually successful, it is trully amazing and should absolutely be replicated. I can see the threat that the traditional medical establishment feared... much like alt energies threat to big oil these days. Unfortunately I can also see a lot of scam artists selling frequency generator treatments to desperate cancer patients so it is definately buyer beware as well. I can't recall the links right now but I believe there were recently some researchers who were using pinpointed microwave energy to vibrate cancer cells apart, sounds like a modern version/variation of Rifes tech. All of this is very interesting. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Sent: 16 Nov '06 12:40 Hi Marylynn, Thanks for sharing the herbal formula. I will try it. I knew about graviola wrt to cancer. That herb has quite a story behind it. The four herbs together have to be quite potent. I passed it on to a friend who has a friend with advanced cancer. I think everyone should know about Royal Rife's life. It illustrates how much the science scene is controlled by not by the search for truth but by the quest for profits with no regard to anything that gets in the way. Millions of people have died needlessly and millions more will die, all because of greed. Science (the fake kind) is used as a smokescreen, to legitimize their evil ways. Rife was a true scientist of the highest order. Nothing fake about him. I am going to do some research to find out which Rife machine is the real deal. There are not that many out there on the net. Prices range from $97 to $15,000. Love and peace, D. Mindock P.S. Yeah, Rife was on the order of Tesla wrt using scientific discipline to solve any problem they encountered. Both started out brilliantly but eventually encountered the dark forces of ignorance and greed. Where would the world be if everyone, including corporations, lived by the Golden Rule? Hi D .. and of course that's right .. but Royal Raymond Rife's story is so much like Nicholi Tesla's story. Major success .. approach for funding .. strange accidents begin to happen in labs .. Tesla, I believe was actually jailed and then died in jail .. his documents were mysteriously lost .. Rife had quite a few accidental fires, brake in's, equipment destroyed .. the medical community (and/or their supporters) actually purchased some of his equipment supplier's and would .. humm .. no longer supply him .. all sorts of persecution .. which of course is documented. The problem with Rife (as is the same for Tesla) is that so much of his data was destroyed. While many of his followers have faithfully re-constructed his work, and their work is valid, there are also many that make claims that have no validity. You do need to be a bit careful when going after rife healing .. not everyone is who they said they are. Also .. I work with some herbs .. Graviolaa, Andrographis, Chaparral, Neem .. all very common (common names) and easily obtained herbs that happen to work very well together .. a simple 1:1:1:1 mix .. nothing fancy here .. take about an ounce or more to about 6 or 7 cups of water and slowly simmer for about 20 minutes .. let sit overnight and dose about 1 Tablespoon twice a day .. (freeze what you aren't using) .. This is the strongest support of the Immune System I've ever come across .. and of course the
Re: [Biofuel] micro-combined-heat-and-power
i like this idea. it uses natural gas, therefore can easily use methane. it is a cogen plant that is quiet enough to put in the basement. i need to get a look at one of these to see just exactly what parts are needed to copy it... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: fujee01 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] micro-combined-heat-and-power http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1114/p01s02-usec.html -- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus?
ummm... i think i might have to declare bull. isnt the original mindset of Islam peace and prosperity? i had theimpression thatjihad is supposed to bea method of self defense, not world domination and all that other super-spun crap. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus? Can I get the List's opinion on the following that was forwarded to me? I am in almost complete ignorance of the Muslim religion. Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Mendoza, Ray R [NTK]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Golf Teacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: FW: Allah or Jesus? Allah or Jesus..? Something very interesting to share with you... Rick MATHEWS is a well known leader in prison ministry. The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!! Allah or Jesus? By Rick Mathews Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the CASE; can you give me the definition of an infidel?" There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!" I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that correct?" The _expression_ on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar." He sheepishly replied, "Yes". I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in Heaven!" The Imam was speechless. I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?" You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs. In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President! I think everyone in the US should be required to read this but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathews, is a well known leader in prison ministry. Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Title: October 2006 Free Newsletter i had something a couple of years ago, not quite sure what it was, but it put me down for two days. sweat, chills, stomach problems, i slept probably 30 of that 48 hours, and i could hardly walk to the kitchen for water. my mother thought it was extremely funny when i came out of my room, leaned on the doorpost, and went crosseyed. if it hadnt been for the sleeping, ithink imight have gone nutty from the misery of it. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Ken, I have heard people say that they had "a touch of the flu" or they missed work for a day or two because they "had the flu. Marylynn's post at one point includes the flu, with colds, as being "uncomfortable". "In conclusion Rather than see the flu, colds, fevers and nasal discharge solely as uncomfortable, we should know that they operate in our best interest: to heal us, to cleanse us and to detoxify us." I know what the flu can be. In February of 2005 I experienced the real deal. A cough and fever turned to deliriums while a blizzard raged outside. I was shivering constantly. The bed sheets were soakedwith sweat.My wife tells me I drank 2 gallons of fluid (water,juice, Gatorade) a day, yet I don't remember urinating. I didn't sleep, at least as I know sleep, for three days. When I closed my eyes, lights flashes, scenes shifted, images morphed grotesquely; jet engines wailed, dogs barked, and for hours on end, a two bar Robert Johnson phrase played repeatedly. My head pounded; I coughed andcoughed. By the time the roads were clear and I got to my doctor, I was greatly improved. The dogs had stopped barking and I had slept a bit the night before. He said I had the flu; "The real deal". Since I don't smoke, don't have asthma, or a history of respiratory problems . in fact no history of illness, he let me go home. I babbled a bit about what I had gone through. He said "You are healthy and strong. You got the virus and for some reason your immune system failed you. You succumbed and had to weather the full blast.You can see why people die from it. It can be a killer." I am scared by the flu ... "the real deal". Though old (56), I'm hardly frail. I got a flu shot (1st time ever) last year (Nov 2005), but am not getting one this year. "For some reason your immune system failed you" sticks in my mind.I think I know why my immune system failed me that time. I think I can avoid it now. I firmly believe that good food and water, exercise, and sleep, along with stress management and plenty of song and laughter are the cornerstones of good health. I certainly would not criticize anyone, especially one who is frail (including a compromised immune system) from getting a flu shot. I'll induce a mild fever, sweat and detoxwith a 30 minute run each day, but keep tylenol or ibuprophen on hand in case someone's fever starts to approach meltdown. Best of Health to All, Tom - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot I guess you can read what you want to read, but I went to the CDC website and they say that infleunza is responsible for an average of 36,000 deaths and 114,000 hospitalizations each year. Where does this woman get her information?It's comforting to know that it is mostly frail, sickly, unhealthy people die from the flu. As I get older and may become frail and sickly I'll be very glad that a simple vaccine will be able to prevent my premature demise.Ken - Original Message From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:07:44 PMSubject: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Personally, I never get the flu shot and now reading this tells me that I've made some good choices in that matter.Mary LynnRev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained MinisterONE SPIRIT ONE HEARTTTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .The Animal Connection Healing Modalitieshttp://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/http://allcreatureconnections.org
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
i had a hunch that this was not a new concept, and went looking. http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/489267/rss/3461 Cutting Oil features vegetable-based formula. August 15, 2006 - Derived from renewable raw materials, Vascomill 22 generates minimal mist, vapor, or smoke during use in CNC machinery performing operations with tough materials such as stainless steels, titanium, high-temperature alloys, and beryllium copper. Formula helps extend tool life and lubricity while promoting skin compatibility for operators. While universal for most operations and materials, oil can also be used in medical industry applications. Press Release Release date: July 12, 2006 Blaser Swisslube Announces Vascomill 22 Vegetable Cutting Oil GOSHEN, N.Y. - Blaser Swisslube Inc., premier supplier of world-class, Swiss-quality metalworking fluids, announces Vascomill 22 cutting oil. Vascomill 22 straight vegetable-based oil is universal for most operations and materials and offers superior cutting performance and lubricating properties in metal removal operations from low to high cutting speeds. Vascomill 22 was specially designed to achieve first-rate performance on tough materials when end users need exceptional surface finish, tool life and lubricity. These properties make Vascomill 22 ideal for medical industry applications as well. Vascomill 22 provides the ultimate in cutting performance for CNC machinery, including Swiss-automatic lathes and in operations machining tough materials such as stainless steels, titanium, high temperature alloys and beryllium copper. The flash point for Vascomill 22 is very high for the viscosity, and the product generates minimal mist, vapor or smoke formation during use. Vascomill 22 ensures better skin compatibility for operators compared to mineral oil-based products with large amounts of additives. Vascomill 22 is derived from renewable raw materials. Founded in 1936, Blaser Swisslube Inc. has created lubrication solutions for 70 years. Blaser metal working fluids are recognized world wide for dependability in improving tool life, production and part quality while reducing overall production costs. Blaser products are developed by a team of researchers at the Blaser headquarters in Switzerland, and U.S. production is based in Goshen, N.Y. For more information about Blaser please visit http://www.blaser.com. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Title: October 2006 Free Newsletter if you live right, and eat like our grandparentsdid, you wont have to worry about being frail and sickly. hunted red meat, real fresh butter and cream, garden vegetables, and honey in place of processed sugars. you would most likely belively andwell into your late sixties/early seventies, and die quickly of a heart attack in the middle of your workday like the old farmers used to. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot I guess you can read what you want to read, but I went to the CDC website and they say that infleunza is responsible for an average of 36,000 deaths and 114,000 hospitalizations each year. Where does this woman get her information?It's comforting to know that it is mostly frail, sickly, unhealthy people die from the flu. As I get older and may become frail and sickly I'll be very glad that a simple vaccine will be able to prevent my premature demise.Ken - Original Message From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:07:44 PMSubject: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot Personally, I never get the flu shot and now reading this tells me that I've made some good choices in that matter.Mary LynnRev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained MinisterONE SPIRIT ONE HEARTTTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .The Animal Connection Healing Modalitieshttp://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/http://allcreatureconnections.org Special Flu Shot Report "Here come the fear mongers...just in time for the flu vaccine marketing season.. Fear is used to persuade Americans to roll up their sleeves and hand over their children to be vaccinated. Years ago, people developed resistance the old fashioned way: By getting the flu. And then when that type of flu came around again years or decades later, they either didn't get sick or had only a mild case. The vaccine marketeers want to take that away from our population. What will that make us? Vaccine dependent, of course." - Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center Three important reasons to avoid the flu shot: The flu shot contains formaldehyde, gelatin and traces of chicken cells. The flu shot contains viral contaminants that have been linked to cancer. You can get the flu shot - and all the risks that go with it - and still get the flu! From the OsteoMed newsletter. To subscribe, go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Another good reason to avoid the shot: to avoid Alzheimer's Disease According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our time (over 850 papers in peer reviewed journals), if an individual has five consecutive flu shots their chance of getting Alzheimer's is ten times higher! (1) How does the flu shot cause Alzheimer's? Dr. Fudenberg states the mercury and aluminum in flu shots (and many childhood shots as well as some RhoGam shots) cross the blood-brain barrier causing brain damage. Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple. Are flu shots the reason? (2) Flu hysteria is on the way (again) Reports claim that "Influenza kills 30,000 to 40,000 Americans every year." (3) That is simply not the case. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the number of people who die of the flu are a fraction of that. Here is what the CDC says: In 2002: 753 died of the flu (4) In 2001: 267 died of the flu (5) In 2000: 2,175 died of the flu (6) In 1999: 1,685 died of the flu (7) Those who die of the flu are mostly frail, sickly, weak, malnourished and unhealthy to begin with. For people in reasonably good health, dying from the flu is, in fact, very rare - research even shows the flu shot does not affect mortality of elderly people. In conclusion - the flu shot is dangerous and useless. Flu shot does not save lives The ads
