Fwd: Re: Price of fuel in Canada
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, mikedee100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no that is not accuate price of gas in the states is about 1.70 give or take 10 cents. but 3.04 canadian is = to 2.25 us, how ever we do not pay that much for gas, so you guys are getting ripped off, if you live near the boarder goto the usa to fuel up, or switch to bio diesel, :), --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine sent this note. I have inserted some currency notes, as his currency translations sometimes don't get done. Gas is now up to 90 cents Cdn per litre.It is jumping by 10 cents Cdn a litre per week, sometimes in a day. That is 38 cent Cdn per US gallon increase per week/per day. At 90 cents a litre, it now costs $3.42 Cdn per US gallon up from $3.04 just a few days ago when I talked to you. The two Bush girls are now set for life financially. [note: at roughly .65 American dollars to Canadian, this means gas is up to about $2.22 US per gallon, unless I have missed something] The battery and starter were frozen in my car this morninghad to get a hair dryer out to de-frost the steering column and get a boost for the battery so I could get to work. Oh Canada ! --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU?
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Winny De Schryver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prices per ton glycerine 60% 300 ? 80% 500 ? 90% 600 ? Winny -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Paulius Staneiauskas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 11 februari 2003 8:21 Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? Hi Winny, Can you tell me prices of all the purities? Paulius -Original Message- From: Winny De Schryver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:07 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? Hi, Depends on the purity of your product. Is it in the range of 65 , 80 , 90 or 95+ % pure ? Winny -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: pauliusstanciauskas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: maandag 10 februari 2003 15:08 Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? Hello, I need information about glycerine price for 1t in EU. I would be thankfull for your information. Paulius Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Torture Tactics - Yes, in America was Re: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fur Free Friday at 7th and Nicollett in Minneapolis Minnesota, the day after thanksgiving 1999. Protesters who were chained together were placed in a choke hold by law enforcement. Pepper spray was administered to a swab and applied to each protester. There was no reason for this other than torture. I was there, I saw this happen. Too bad I did not have a camera. Same thing, different day You should see the movie. (Yes. It is on tape.) http://www.radioproject.org/transcripts/9926.html In its report Amnesty International said that in this instance the spray was clearly abusive as it was not used to protect officers or others but was applied in a calculated and deliberate way to inflict pain as a way of gaining compliance in cases of demonstrators who posed no threat. The later half of the program moves off of the intentional abuse aspect and towards effectiveness issues. - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:57 Subject: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq I ge the feeling that you seem to think that Saddam is going to attack the US? Is this fact? Has his regime done something to warrent these feelings or are you just feeling the parinoia sorrounding the policies that are being rammed in our faces by the current administration? You just don't get it do you, it isn't just the U.S., never has been despite what what alot of people think. It is the U.A.E., Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israil, and others in the area that while they may or may not like or dislike the U.S., They see Iraq as a threat. *snip of a silly story about my neighbor that had little to do with the topic* An analogy always has something to do with the subject. I could get into that but it would take all day to explain and you would not get it anyway. My point is, that which is right for you is not necessarily right for me. So it is better for me to have you ram your ideas in my face and shut up? I don't think so. You have to listen to my rants and ideas too! I never said that and you know it. You seem to think that I have to listen to you spout about how you are fighting for rights, well, are your rights better than mine? Now is a matter of defining reasonable cause. In some circles just denying a request for search, gives suspicion, and there for cause. I don't hold with that unless there are other factors in involved like the safety of a officer of the law or coming in contact with a government official ( aka governors, presidents, ect...) and similar such, then it is reasonable. Search based on profiling is sometimes a necessary evil, personally I don't like it, it backfires ( like the MD sniper shootings ). It also causes negative reactions. So we can agree that you don't like being searched without cause? Read the qualifier, Reasionable Cause, not just cause but, reasionable cause. Big differance. Who? What torture? Fur Free Friday at 7th and Nicollett in Minneapolis Minnesota, the day after thanksgiving 1999. Protesters who were chained together were placed in a choke hold by law enforcement. Pepper spray was administered to a swab and applied to each protester. There was no reason for this other than torture. I was there, I saw this happen. Too bad I did not have a camera. Yes, then we might know if they were resisting arrest or not. That makes a difference. If they were then the police were with in the bounds of the law. If they were not then the police were not. Don't forget a lawful order from a police officer is also reasonable cause for the use of force if it is deemed necessary. Then you have been ignoring the fact that he has been rebuilding his military, again becoming a treat to the region. And the fact that he has been giving the UN the middle finger by kicking the inspection teams out time and not other wise cooperating. Show proof of his rebuilding the military? With what? He has nothing to rebuild with? From the transcript of chief U.N. arms inspector Hans Blix's testimony before the United Nations: In my January update to the Council I referred to the Al-Samud II and the Al-Fatah missiles, reconstituted casting chambers, construction of a missile engine test stand and the import of rocket engines, which were all declared to UNMOVIC by Iraq. I noted that the Al-Samud II and the Al-Fatah could very well represent prima facie cases of proscribed missile systems, as they had been tested to ranges exceeding the 150-kilometers limit set by the Security Council. I also
Fwd: stockpiling wvo
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been described, wvo becomes rancid after a short time in storage at room temperature. This deterioration prevents it from being stockpiled for long periods. The deterioration, I presume, is the result of bacteria buildup with time. In water treatment, a uv lamp can be used effectively to remove coliform bacteria, by placing the uv lamp in the line through which the water is drawn for use. Why couldn't bacteria in wvo be removed by similar uf treatment? This could be done continuously, or semi continuously, by pumping a small stream of wvo from the tank, drawing it from the tank bottom with a small submersible pump and allowing the uv treated wvo to drop back into the top of the tank. Assume a 1000 gal tank. Alternatively, the wvo stream could be heated and returned to the tank. Any idea of what temperature and for how long the residence time through the heater? Or would both heating and uv treatment be required? Comments? Glenn Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: RE: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the uv will promote chemical reactions. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:07 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo As has been described, wvo becomes rancid after a short time in storage at room temperature. This deterioration prevents it from being stockpiled for long periods. The deterioration, I presume, is the result of bacteria buildup with time. In water treatment, a uv lamp can be used effectively to remove coliform bacteria, by placing the uv lamp in the line through which the water is drawn for use. Why couldn't bacteria in wvo be removed by similar uf treatment? This could be done continuously, or semi continuously, by pumping a small stream of wvo from the tank, drawing it from the tank bottom with a small submersible pump and allowing the uv treated wvo to drop back into the top of the tank. Assume a 1000 gal tank. Alternatively, the wvo stream could be heated and returned to the tank. Any idea of what temperature and for how long the residence time through the heater? Or would both heating and uv treatment be required? Comments? Glenn Ellis --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kirk. I suppose that is possible. Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Hakan, I am sorry MH, Its ok Hakan. I won't hold it personal. I'm pleased you've found a few of my inputs interesting. I hope this IS conspiracy theory as suggested. I don't want to hear this but perhaps a CAUTIONARY look at the following might explain the hard-line drumbeats -- Energy policy drives plans for war on Saddam By Jeffrey D. Sachs Thursday, Feb 06, 2003, Page 9 http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2003/02/06/193570 All around the world people ask: What is the real motive for the Bush administration's threatened war with Iraq? Is it to curb weapons of mass destruction? Is it more personal, an act of vengeance by a son against the man who attempted to assassinate his father? Is it to defend Israel? Is it to reinvent the Middle East as a more democratic region, as many of the Bush administration's leading voices insist? Or is it, as some suspect, so that the US can get its hands on Iraqi oil? The Bush administration has offered a range of justifications for its plans, although with a fairly consistent emphasis on weapons of mass destruction. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz talks about making Iraq the first Arab democracy. Many in the Bush administration argue that aggressive policies toward Iraq can ultimately bring down autocratic governments in the Middle East the same way that the Reagan administration supposedly brought down the evil Soviet empire. Outside of the US, almost nobody buys these arguments. Most believe that oil ranks at the top of the US's list of motives. Short of the US national security archives suddenly falling open, we are unlikely to find a definitive account of the President's innermost thoughts. Moreover, different US officials certainly have different priorities. President George W. Bush may focus on weapons of mass destruction; Wolfowitz may target democracy. Others may have their eyes firmly on the prize of Iraqi oil. A more fruitful question than an inquiry into America's motives is how the US will act once war comes. Here we don't have to rely on second-guessing individuals. We can examine the US' behavior in recent history. Looking at the historical record, it is difficult to believe that the US will give the Middle East a democratic makeover. Today's Middle East is a construction of the US and Europe. Its despots and monarchs owe their positions to the machinations of the West. Even if the US goes off to war waving the banner of democracy, the results are likely to be less glorious. In the end, this will likely be a war for Iraqi oil. Throughout the 20th century, Arab self-determination, democracy, and economic reform took a back seat to oil. When the British inveigled Arab chieftains to fight on behalf of the British empire in World War I, the Arabs were not rewarded with sovereignty at the Great War's end, but with ongoing British and French suzerainty. Whenever real democracy in the Middle East threatened American control over oil reserves, democracy was jettisoned. Consider the CIA-backed coup against Iranian prime minister Mussadegh. In 1951, Mussadegh nationalized Iran's oil industry, prompting a British boycott the next year and then US-backed intervention (which toppled and jailed the popular prime minister) in 1953. A similarly instructive case is the West's support for a military crackdown in Algeria after democratic elections in early 1992 threatened to bring the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) to power. When the FIS seemed headed to victory, Algeria's army stepped in to prevent continuation of the vote. Western governments, led by France but with US backing, gave moral and financial support to Algeria's generals. American behavior in former Soviet Central Asia is equally vivid. Many in the Bush administration point to its work in this region as a showcase for how they will reshape the Middle East. Yet democracy has absolutely nothing to do with US policy in Central Asia, where US oil companies and diplomats trip over each other promoting deals in despotic Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. A good window on postwar US policy in Iraq can be found in key documents written by and for the Bush administration before Sept. 11, when the analysis of the Middle East was much less infected by today's fears. Probably the most interesting document is a study entitled Strategic Energy Policy Challenges of the 21st Century, produced by the James Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University in Texas and the Council on Foreign Relations http://www.rice.edu/projects/baker/Pubs/workingpapers/cfrbipp_energy/energytf.htm The study makes clear two points. First, Iraq is vital to oil flows from the Middle East, as it sits on the second largest reserves in the world. The report agonizes over the fact that for economic security reasons the US needs Iraqi oil, but that for military
Fwd: New Distillers FAQ
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tony Elle Ackland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NEW DISTILLERS Frequently Asked Questions (Feb'03) Posted near the 1st of each month, to the NEW_DISTILLERS newsgroup at www.yahoogroups.com Please email any additions, corrections, clarifications required, etc regarding the FAQ to Tony Ackland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), however please direct any general questions to the newsgroup itself. *** 1) Is distilling hard to do ? 2) Is it legal ? 3) Will it make me blind ? 4) Whats the difference between a pot still, reflux still, and fractionating column ? 5) How do I get or make a still ? 6) How do I make a whisky / rum / vodka / gin ? 7) Should I use sugar or grains ? 8) Can I use fruit wine ? 9) How do I make a Turbo-all-sugar wash ? 10) How do I run a Pot still ? 11) How do I run a Reflux still ? 12) Can I use a reflux still to make rum or whisky ? 13) How do I measure the strength of it dilute it ? 14) How do I get rid of that off-taste ? 15) Why do my spirits turn cloudy when diluted ? 16) How do I flavour/turn the vodka's into something else ? 17) What web resources are there ? 18) How do I contact the NEW DISTILLERS news group ? 19) Can I run my car on it ? 20) How do I convert between gallons and litres and 21) What is a Thumper ? 22) Can methylated spirits be made safe to drink ? ** 1) Is distilling hard to do ? Nope - if you can follow instructions enough to bake scones, then you can sucessfully distil. To distil well however, will require you to understand what you're doing, so read around and get a bit of information under your belt before you begin. 2) Is it legal ? Probably not. It is only legal in New Zealand, and some European countries turn a blind eye to it, but elsewhere it is illegal, with punishment ranging from fines to imprisonment or floggings. This action against it is usually the result of either religous beliefs (right or wrong), but more generally due to the great revenue base it provides Governements through excise taxes. So if you are going to distil, just be aware of the potential legal ramifications. 3) Will it make me blind ? Not if you're careful. This pervasive question is due to moonshine lore, which abounds with myths of blindness, but few actual documented cases. The concern is due to the presence of methanol (wood alcohol), an optic nerve poison, which can be present in small amounts when fermenting grains or fruits high in pectin. This methanol comes off first from the still, so it is easily segregated and discarded. A simple rule of thumb for this is to throw away the first 50 mL you collect (per 20 L mash used). Probably the greatest risk to your health during distilling is the risk of fire - collecting a flammable liquid near a heat source. So keep a fire extinguisher nearby. 4) Whats the difference between a pot still, reflux still, and fractionating column ? A pot still simply collects and condenses the alcohol vapours that come off the boiling mash. This will result in an alcohol at about 40-60% purity, with plenty of flavour in it. If this distillate were put through the pot still again, it would increase in purity to around 70-85% purity, and lose a bit of its flavour. A reflux still does these multiple distillations in one single go, by having some packing in a column between the condensor the pot, and allowing some of the vapour to condense and trickle back down through the packing. This reflux of liquid helps clean the rising vapour and increase the % purity. The taller the packed column, and the more reflux liquid, the purer the product will be. The advantage of doing this is that it will result in a clean vodka, with little flavour to it - ideal for mixing with flavours etc. A fractionating column is a pure form of the reflux still. It will condense all the vapour at the top of the packing, and return about 9/10 back down the column. The column will be quite tall - say 600-1200mm (2-4 foot), and packed with a material high in surface area, but which takes up little space (pot scrubbers are good for this). It will result in an alcohol 95%+ pure (the theoretical limit without using a vacuum is 96.48 %(by volume)), with no other tastes or impurities in it. 5) How do I get or make a still ? If you're after a pot still, these are generally home made using what-ever you have at hand - say copper tubing and old water heaters or pressure cookers. You don't really need any plans for these - just follow any of the photos about. Reflux stills can be made from plans on the net, or bought from several manufacturers. For reflux still plans see The photos section at http://homedistiller.org/photos-ns.htm for Offset head designs, and http://homedistiller.org/photos-reflux.htm for general reflux stills. Alex's designs at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Distillers/files/OFTS/ StillCookers
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear MH, I am not holding anything against you and it is many, for me, interesting things coming from you. I am not a professional journalist, but I try anyway to check the credibility of what I read, this especially if I want to refer it to others. I am not as good on this as Keith and he could maybe give us some guide lines. Keith is after all a professional on this and being on the critical and investigative side, this must be a very important and interesting issue for him. His credibility stand or falls with his skills of judging the material he works with and I think that I am not alone in having a large respect and confidence in him. Being an amateur in this field and for my own sake, it is for me important to have some sort of basic source evaluation of the material that I form my opinions on. The document that made me make the comment to you, had many of the things that I do not like. It was published by someone/s that kept themselves anonymous. I do not like or respect people that are not saying this is who I am and this is what I have to say, regardless of if I like the message or not. Then it is a very large difference if you publicly stand up for your own view and conclusions or purely disclosing damaging information about someone/something written by somebody else. In the latter case, I either need to have confidence in the source or a large trust in the one who referred it. The trust is often built up by experiences of earlier control of material. I always try, but am not always successful, to not only accept the message based on if I like it or not. The document, that I commented and where it was published, broke all my amateurish rules and in my mind all alarm bells was sounding. It was absolutely nothing personal towards you. At the moment my opinion about Bush is on a very low point and would not mind if he had done things that are impeachable. Unfortunately I agree with Robert Byrd on the damages to US and US interests that Bush's political bulldozing are causing. The subjects often mirror their Master and I have never seen such an appalling attitude as now exposed by the American press and people. You do not see such manors as name calling and bullying in Europe, especially on such an important issue as to go to war or not. Last time it was frequent in Europe was more than 60 years ago and created a very nasty environment and it is many parallels in the US now. The Germans dogmas about lebensraum and superiority was not far from what is going on in US now. The methods of rallying the masses are very similar. Europe have for a long time now, lived with a constant terrorist pressure. We have been a battle field for IRA, ETA, Red Brigades and many more European and Middle East terror organizations, some with US support. It has been many attempt from various Individuals, Governments, Corporations, Organizations, Corporations, etc., to utilize the situations to further their interests. US have been blessed from first hand experience until now and will be judged on their maturity in handling it. At the moment US is panicking and very vulnerable for propaganda and utilization. I hope that we all will come out of this with honor and without major disasters. Hakan At 12:15 AM 2/15/2003 -0600, you wrote: Hi Hakan, I am sorry MH, Its ok Hakan. I won't hold it personal. I'm pleased you've found a few of my inputs interesting. I hope this IS conspiracy theory as suggested. I don't want to hear this but perhaps a CAUTIONARY look at the following might explain the hard-line drumbeats -- Energy policy drives plans for war on Saddam By Jeffrey D. Sachs Thursday, Feb 06, 2003, Page 9 http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2003/02/06/193570 All around the world people ask: What is the real motive for the Bush administration's threatened war with Iraq? Is it to curb weapons of mass destruction? Is it more personal, an act of vengeance by a son against the man who attempted to assassinate his father? Is it to defend Israel? Is it to reinvent the Middle East as a more democratic region, as many of the Bush administration's leading voices insist? Or is it, as some suspect, so that the US can get its hands on Iraqi oil? The Bush administration has offered a range of justifications for its plans, although with a fairly consistent emphasis on weapons of mass destruction. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz talks about making Iraq the first Arab democracy. Many in the Bush administration argue that aggressive policies toward Iraq can ultimately bring down autocratic governments in the Middle East the same way that the Reagan administration supposedly brought down the evil Soviet empire. Outside of the US, almost nobody buys these arguments. Most believe that oil ranks at the top of the US's list of motives. Short of the US national security
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Price of fuel in Canada
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The premier of our British Columbian government just implemented an extra gas tax of 3.5 cents/litre, for fixing up roads and other transportation issues. I found it really interesting listening to all the opinions on the radio. A lot of people were not complaining about the tax so much (though some were). Many were not even looking at the issue of a tax for fixing roads, they saw the good of a tax that will make people think a bit harder about how much fuel they want to burn. Robin - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Price of fuel in Canada murdoch wrote: A friend of mine sent this note. I have inserted some currency notes, as his currency translations sometimes don't get done. Gas is now up to 90 cents Cdn per litre.It is jumping by 10 cents Cdn a litre per week, sometimes in a day. That is 38 cent Cdn per US gallon increase per week/per day. At 90 cents a litre, it now costs $3.42 Cdn per US gallon up from $3.04 just a few days ago when I talked to you. The two Bush girls are now set for life financially. [note: at roughly .65 American dollars to Canadian, this means gas is up to about $2.22 US per gallon, unless I have missed something] Here in the eastern reaches of the Vancouver region, gasoline is selling between 69 and 80 cents per liter. When I bought fuel in Agassiz last Monday morning, I paid 58 cents per liter. The prices have been nudging upward, falling, then climbing again for many months now. Sometimes they change as much as 10 cents per liter in a single day. My mother, who still lives in Los Angeles, was complaining that gasoline there is running about $2.00 per gallon when I spoke to her over the telephone last night. She thinks that once the war with Iraq is over gasoline prices will fall back down to normal again. Sigh. . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Doit Yourself Newbie
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Bicycle J [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey biofuelers! I have been interested in WVO conversion for years and am now happy to say I have an opportuniy to actualize. This year I will be interning at an organic farm in PA and besides projects to bring in extra cash for the interns I will be setting up production of bio-diesel on a small scale. Journey to Forever rocks with its info (thanks guys!) but I am looking for how to books to walk me through it. Is From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank my best choice? Any other suggestions? NY Spike PS i have really enjoyed this group, thanks everyone! --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Last chance at the old prices...
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are adjusting some prices: The Jake (Pollak 6-port we have nicknamed after Jake Palmer who embarrased the heck out of us on our pricing on that one!!)valve is now $69 US The VEG-Therm will be $69 (currently $59) Our basic $199 Kit will be going up to $229. ...most prices are going up somewhat except for the 6-port. Prices will be going up the 15th (day after tomorrow), so order now to catch the current pricing on the VEG-Therm and kits!! Thanks! Edward Beggs Neoteric Biofuels Inc,. http://www.biofuels.ca Oh, yes.. we will also be making the filter cones available in packs of 25 for $29, and six packs of 10 micron filters available at $49 http://www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Methanol Suppliers in Ohio?
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Group, Anyone near Cleveland have a source for small quantities of methanol? Thanks Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tom Tibbits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iraq has posed no threat for the last 12 years. Only since GW has been banging the drums of war has it been a problem. You haven't been paying attention to world news for the past 10 years have you. Hmmm, saddam has invaded zero countires in the last 10 years. US has 'invaded' Sudan and Columbia, to name two that spring straight to mind... The US on the other hand, has bent over backward with treaties as that concern WOMD. Come on! Bush has rejected more treaties since he came to power than any other president. ABM, Chemical weapons, biological weapons etc etc WAKE UP Please!! Exactly what threat to the US or UK is Saddam, when his long range (illegal) missiles can travel a whopping 187 miles. From Baghdad, such a missle would find it hard to even cross teh Iraqi border.But it is other claims you make such as 'Ever since Saddam started playing his games, some 10 years ago, someone has needed to go in and smack him good' Saddam started playing his games, aided by US money, in the late seventies. As late as 1988, the UK was still selling him weapons. Last year, the UK sold weapons to Oman, an Arab state the other side of Saudi from Iraq. Now tell me that our collective foreign policy really makes sense??? What do you expect if you installed the dictator in the first place? In all the history I know, I have never found an instance where we have to invade a country that has threatened no-one, because they refuse to show us where all the weapons we sold them are being kept. If we don't want them to have the weapons, then don't sell them in the first place Incidentally, US is a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty. Under those terms, the US has an obligation to disarm nukes, reducing the nmber of warheads. So why are you building more?? Do you want the world to see just how hypocritical your admiinistration can be??? No wonder Saddam doesn't like the inspectors. One rule for one nation and another for another. GET REAL!! this is the most unjust, blind fury and resource-securing led war we have ever seen and it is paramount that we support the Iraqi people against the axis of terror coming from washington and london. Tom T The raid of the island was an excersize in futility. I don't think that several hundred Cuban officers and solders running around a friendy country is an exercise in futility, expecialy with all the Cuban supplied arms that was found, more than enough to take over the island. Perhaps following the treaty agreement would change his situation. Killing hundreds of thousands (or millions) will not make anything better for anyone. Were is your proof that hundreds of thousands will die? They said it would happen in the Gulf War, it didn't. Yes a civilian shelter got hit, but, it housed a military target in the basement, and we didn't know that it was also a civilian shelter. So big oil does not have a hand in the conflict? Were did I say that? All I have said is that I hear a lot of accusations, see a lot of finger pointing, but, unlikely. Possable most anything is, probable - no I don't think so. We went 9 years without a peep from the human hermit and all of a sudden over the last 2-3 years it has become imparative that we remove him from the world political scene? Wrong again, You may not have been paying attention as he played his game since the Gulf War, but, I have. He has been kicked inspectors out of Iraq, several times, since the end of the Gulf War. Finally we have a president that has the guts to at least do something, other than snivel and complain how people just misunderstand him. Last year there was nothing that required the attention that he is getting now. So what has changed? Like I said before, we finally we have a president that has the guts to not put up with Saddam's BS. This has Saddam worried for once, and he does not like it. I will tell you what has changed. Big oil has it's collective hand up GW's butt and is making him talk crap about a country that has next to nothing for a military. Ah yes... the poor little country with no defenses. Your poor little country despite the ass kicking it got, still has a larger military than most of it's neighbors. Because it has been rebuilt to an extent at the cost of it's people. Speaking in terms of the World Community my handgun reference was right on. I have a kooky neighbor that likes guns. I am worried everytime he has a beer and is showing his friends one of his numerous weapons. Your neighbor might say that your kooky, for not liking guns, but that is not the point, it all relitave. As to your neighbor, if he breaks the law call the police. Don't forget, nothing at all says that the police have to protect you and prevent harm coming
Fwd: biodiesel using ethanol - re-reaction
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kavitha palaniappan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the hint. I tried a re-reaction according to your suggestion and this time, I observed two types of reactions: 1. The batch prepared with 20% ethanol turned a little more darker in colour, less viscous, but still no two layers! However, when I tried to water wash it, a pale coloured, thicker solution was formed at the bottom, which I separated out (as glycerol). One more thing which hinders me is that, this glycerol (?) looks a bit different from that which I obtained when I used methanol and NaOH for transesterification. So, was that the one separated at the bottom glycerol? Or is it something else? (Emulsion?) 2. The batch prepared with 30% ethanol turned more viscous and again no two layers. Water wash lead to the creamish white liquid which I already mentioned. Another doubt is that, should I remove the excess ethanol (?) by distillation from the final product? Or rather, will there be any excess ethanol? Kavitha. James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hrmm, in re-reading kavitha post It sounds like something else. Maybe just a partially reacted batch. I wonder if a re-reaction w/ 3.5gm/L of lye would have pushed the reaction to completion. James On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, girl mark wrote: no it doesn't mark At 12:21 PM 2/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: sounds like GLOP!! Have you done the tirtations for the oil? tell us a little about the oil your using. James Slayden On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, kavitha palaniappan wrote: Hi, I have dropped the idea of using acid catalyst and I started preparing biodiesel with ethanol and KOH. But, even now, I face the same problem. I just don't get two layers! I get a uniform mass of biodiesel which is orangish brown in color and its viscosity is reduced to a considerable extent when compared to that of raw oil. I tried with different oil:ethanol ratios and the result is the same! And then, I tried water washing to separate the glycerol and the result was even more disappointing! The whole mass turned into a thick, creamish white liquid! I allowed it to settle overnight and no change! I didn't come across any such problems when I used methanol and NaOH with the same oil. I clearly got two layers, one biodiesel and another glycerol. In fact, then, I did not even go for water washing as I felt that it was a pretty good separation! Why is this process not working out with ethanol? I'm also sure about the quality of ethanol that I am using, as it is a laboratory reagent. And, KOH was also completely soluble in ethanol unlike NaOH. So, no problem with ethanol and KOH. Finally, where is the mistake lying? Can anybody help me? Kavitha. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.h ml Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel. tml Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Biodiesel In Ohio?
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Group, Anyone in Ohio making biodiesel? Also, I am looking for a source of methanol near Cleveland. Thanks Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: trouble with methanol
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mikedee100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am having trouble finding methanol, i have called about 20 suppliers and all of them don't sell to the public, i have contacted all the auto people in my area and around me, and none of them can get it, i called all the chemical supply places near me too and none of them can get it, so where do i get this shit and what is the exact name and phone number of a place where you guys are getting it, i live in NY, and don't mind having it shipped if need be, pls don't respond to this post if you don't have a answer don't tell me a place to look either, tell me the name of a place that sells it and will sell it to me, and send it to me or i can pick it up, i really don't care what state it is in either, prefable ny thoe, hehe, pls include name phone # and web page is there is one, thx for your help guys --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Senate floor speech by Robert Byrd
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, hobbbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey if you don't like the idea of War or that it is necessary at times...then may I suggest in a most vehemently way Get Your Lazy Liberal ASS out of the United States - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Senate floor speech by Robert Byrd http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0212-07.htm Published on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 by CommonDreams.org Reckless Administration May Reap Disastrous Consequences by US Senator Robert Byrd Senate Floor Speech - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 To contemplate war is to think about the most horrible of human experiences. On this February day, as this nation stands at the brink of battle, every American on some level must be contemplating the horrors of war. Yet, this Chamber is, for the most part, silent -- ominously, dreadfully silent. There is no debate, no discussion, no attempt to lay out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war. There is nothing. We stand passively mute in the United States Senate, paralyzed by our own uncertainty, seemingly stunned by the sheer turmoil of events. Only on the editorial pages of our newspapers is there much substantive discussion of the prudence or imprudence of engaging in this particular war. And this is no small conflagration we contemplate. This is no simple attempt to defang a villain. No. This coming battle, if it materializes, represents a turning point in U.S. foreign policy and possibly a turning point in the recent history of the world. This nation is about to embark upon the first test of a revolutionary doctrine applied in an extraordinary way at an unfortunate time. The doctrine of preemption -- the idea that the United States or any other nation can legitimately attack a nation that is not imminently threatening but may be threatening in the future -- is a radical new twist on the traditional idea of self defense. It appears to be in contravention of international law and the UN Charter. And it is being tested at a time of world-wide terrorism, making many countries around the globe wonder if they will soon be on our -- or some other nation's -- hit list. High level Administration figures recently refused to take nuclear weapons off of the table when discussing a possible attack against Iraq. What could be more destabilizing and unwise than this type of uncertainty, particularly in a world where globalism has tied the vital economic and security interests of many nations so closely together? There are huge cracks emerging in our time-honored alliances, and U.S. intentions are suddenly subject to damaging worldwide speculation. Anti-Americanism based on mistrust, misinformation, suspicion, and alarming rhetoric from U.S. leaders is fracturing the once solid alliance against global terrorism which existed after September 11. Here at home, people are warned of imminent terrorist attacks with little guidance as to when or where such attacks might occur. Family members are being called to active military duty, with no idea of the duration of their stay or what horrors they may face. Communities are being left with less than adequate police and fire protection. Other essential services are also short-staffed. The mood of the nation is grim. The economy is stumbling. Fuel prices are rising and may soon spike higher. This Administration, now in power for a little over two years, must be judged on its record. I believe that that record is dismal. In that scant two years, this Administration has squandered a large projected surplus of some $5.6 trillion over the next decade and taken us to projected deficits as far as the eye can see. This Administration's domestic policy has put many of our states in dire financial condition, under funding scores of essential programs for our people. This Administration has fostered policies which have slowed economic growth. This Administration has ignored urgent matters such as the crisis in health care for our elderly. This Administration has been slow to provide adequate funding for homeland security. This Administration has been reluctant to better protect our long and porous borders. In foreign policy, this Administration has failed to find Osama bin Laden. In fact, just yesterday we heard from him again marshaling his forces and urging them to kill. This Administration has split traditional alliances, possibly crippling, for all time, International order-keeping entities like the United Nations and NATO. This Administration has called into question the traditional worldwide perception of the United States as well-intentioned, peacekeeper. This Administration has turned the patient art of diplomacy into threats, labeling, and name calling of the sort that reflects quite poorly on the intelligence
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, hobbbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes yes yes...this is correct...question how much water are you trying to treat and how quickly...I have a home system that does exactly this and it via the UV kills 140 things that I cannot begin to pronounce...help me out here as I am new to this list...what is -- wvo Greg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo As has been described, wvo becomes rancid after a short time in storage at room temperature. This deterioration prevents it from being stockpiled for long periods. The deterioration, I presume, is the result of bacteria buildup with time. In water treatment, a uv lamp can be used effectively to remove coliform bacteria, by placing the uv lamp in the line through which the water is drawn for use. Why couldn't bacteria in wvo be removed by similar uf treatment? This could be done continuously, or semi continuously, by pumping a small stream of wvo from the tank, drawing it from the tank bottom with a small submersible pump and allowing the uv treated wvo to drop back into the top of the tank. Assume a 1000 gal tank. Alternatively, the wvo stream could be heated and returned to the tank. Any idea of what temperature and for how long the residence time through the heater? Or would both heating and uv treatment be required? Comments? Glenn Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Young's Scientific Secrets
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, waljaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another historical reference from Canada is 'Young's Demonstrative Translation of Scientific Secrets; or a Collection of Above 500 useful Receipts on a variety of Subjects' http://www.cell2000.net/beowulf/newpage207.htm Wal --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: Young's Scientific Secrets
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, waljaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, waljaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The URL http://www.cell2000.net/beowulf is interestin in itself Wal --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, waljaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another historical reference from Canada is 'Young's Demonstrative Translation of Scientific Secrets; or a Collection of Above 500 useful Receipts on a variety of Subjects' http://www.cell2000.net/beowulf/newpage207.htm Wal --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Re: californians 50%
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi MM, I will give you something else to chew on, that is closely related to your HVAC opinion and weather relations. Sweden have a climate that is comparable to Northern US and Southern Canada. The use compared to US and Canada are as follows. The average Swede use 25% energy of the average Canadian. 33% of the average American and 50% of the average Californian. The use of types of building materials are similar, but the construction methods, dimensioning, equipment control, comfort criteria and use of emission/storage are very different. By using this as a yard stick, it certainly confirms the conservation efforts by the Californian. It also point to a possibility to a possible and considerable reduction of the peak demand problem that the Californians have. Hakan At 08:06 AM 1/27/2003 -0800, you wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:20:36 +0100, you wrote: MM, Thank you, I corrected the percentage. I used the number that somebody said, but did not check it sufficiently. You are right and it fit also better with the other data, now when I checked it. Maybe my population number included Canada as North America, same mistake as when many talks about Europe. Hakan I had the chance to look at some but not all of your research. My initial reaction is to somewhat stand by my view that David has a point. In a way, I'm saying, you're both part-right. What I mean is, if Californians use, per person, a certain percentage less energy than other Americans, then my initial guess would be that this is partly attributable to not having to burn copious amounts of Home Heating Fuel (Oil or Natural Gas) and partly attributable to other factors, including conservation. So, I don't think your thesis is invalidated (that Californians seem somewhat more Conservation-minded than some other Americans, even if there's much they could still improve), just that I'm inclined to hold on the idea that there could be other factors. I did see the chart comparing to other states and this chart did seem to validate the Conservation thesis. I was surprised to see New York so close to California for example (they certainly have significant heating needs) and Texas being totally out of control is also consistent with the thesis of trying to get at which states are not Conservation-oriented. But I'd have to spend more time chewing things over to sort of what other factors might be going on. For example, clearly there are some states which are very industry-oriented and so have higher energy needs in that respect. It doesn't make them non-Conserving, but they need the energy for additional matters. --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuels-biz] waste oil burners burning glycerine, ffa's
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Michael Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that he was talking about unconventional liquid fuels in general. I think the effect was first noted by the British Army some 60 years ago when they burned sump oil to keep warm in the deserts of north Africa. I'm sorry I no longer have the references but drip-plate burner designs developed at that time have been published. They also noted that used-sump oil containing some water burned cleaner than new engine oil. The water in the fuel has two advantages: In expands explosively to steam and so aids the production of fine oil droplets. And the water vapour reacts with any deposited carbon to form carbon monoxide and hydrogen which happily burn to give more heat. I guess people don't often stop to think that liquid fuels are not themselves flammable: it is the vapour which they form that burns. So anything you can do to increase the rate of vapour production (such as atomising the fuel and pre-heating both it and the air needed for combustion) increases the rate of vapour production which leads to smooth controllable combustion. (Water containing emulsions and separate water sprays have also been used with internal combustion engines to increase efficiency but that is another story) Dissolved or emulsified water can therefore be beneficial because it aids atomisation of the fuel to small droplets and it also turns soot into combustible gases. Provided the water content is not too high, the latent heat required is more than matched by the improved combustion efficiency. 5% to 10% by weight is probably about right for fuels with a high calorific value but IMO perhaps half that should be used with glycerol to avoid chilling the flame. Incidentally, I used one of these British Army designs to make carbon black (channel black) in a small brick unit with a roof made from small pieces of railway line. That may give you a clue as to what happens if heat losses are high! (And the oil we used did contain some water). Insulating the plate (and the whole combustion chamber) with suitable ceramics is indeed a great help in sustaining combustion from fuels with a low calorific value such as glycerol. So, of course, is mixing it with a fuel of a higher calorific value. If anyone is interested in a suitable low-cost insulating material, let me know. Michael Allen 15/01/03 02:24:18, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several contributors have spoken about drip plates. I was advised by a prof. of fuel science that dissolving 5% water in the glyc. would cause it to vaporise explosively on contact with the hot plate, so improving atomisation and combustion completeness. Obviously, you would lose the latent heat in the steam, but at 5%, that would be rather small. Anyway, it would be quite easy to try for those with a working furnace. David T. Hi David Was he talking specifically about glyc, or about the complete by-product, with soap/FFA and catalyst? Best Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Hello again
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Sorry, that took a bit longer than expected (what a surprise - doesn't everything?). So we moved house, as well as project, to a small village in Ichijima Prefecture. The move went fine, but... Another story, or several, for later, not uninteresting, and pertinent to some previous threads. Second but - computer problems, or rather keyboard problems, so I was unable to connect until Saturday, and all I could accomplish then was to clear some backlogged messages. Including one from a guy who'd decided his previous message, still backlogged from the day before, had been censored because this list did not consider it as politically correct. Sheesh! I did say things might be a bit slow until I managed to get online again, but I thought that might happen. Thanks for your understanding, pal. :-( Anyway, keyboard's working fine now - got all clogged up with city dust in Osaka. We had a nice clean modern flat there, but still it was dusty. Where does all this dust come from?? I wanted to take it apart and clean it, as I've often done before, but, um, you can't do that with a G4 keyboard, it doesn't come apart. They designed it for some other planet I guess. I asked a Mac list, one guy told me to put it in the dishwasher. I thought he was kidding, but several others said the same - soap and warm water, rinse thoroughly, dry thoroughly. And it worked, amazing - good as new. Meanwhile we've found a couple of diesel vans, and we'll buy one of them by the weekend. Then we're in business - lots of potential round here. Too much to do right now, and I haven't read all the incoming messages over the last few days yet. I'll catch up soon, meanwhile no more delays on moderator tasks and so on. And no, no censorship either thankyou, and sod anything called PC. Best Keith --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: North America's first Pedestrian Charter
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toronto has recently become the first city in North America to adopt a Pedestrian Charter. Spearheaded by Toronto Food Policy Council member Janice Etter and her citizen colleague Rhona Swarbrick, the Charter includes one clause identifying a crucial issue for people advocating on behalf of all neighbourhoods' rights to access quality food retail outlets: namely, the right to access basic amenities by foot. Change is afoot. To read the Pedestrian Charter, go to http://www.toronto.ca/pedestrian/. For background and advice on how to develop a Pedestrian Charter for your area, contact Janice at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: Fiat UNO Diesel on Biodiesel?
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Poch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your right about the gemini diesel cars-- i almost forgot about them. (head hits computer screen!!) now i remember when they were lots of this cars being used as taxis cause they were so cheap and reliable. the government started to ban them during the early nineties on the antipollution drive and to pressure the taxi franchisers to renew their fleet of taxis. i believe i can get a better deal with this car. hey thanks a lot man! and if i use biodiesel on it i won't be worried about the government's on the street anti-smoke belching drives cause my car would be running clean. Cheers Poch [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: RE: [biofuel] Re: Fiat UNO Diesel on Biodiesel?
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Poch. About compact cars and small diesel engine cars, Have you check the following cars in Manila: Toyota's cars like Corsa 1.5 L (same size of the Fiat UNO) and Corolla 1.8 L Daihatsu Charade 1.0 L and 1.2 L (same size of the Fiat UNO) Nissan Sunny 1.7 L GM or Isuzu Gemini like the ones described by J. Alonso in another mail. Most of them consume low amounts of fuel. In Paraguay, South America they were imported from Japan, half world away, the problem with them are the spare parts availability and cost of transportation up to here, it might be more simple for you to find the spare parts in Asia for japanese cars. I still have an italian Fiat UNO DS with a 1.3 L engine because I can find spare parts that matches the original italian's, they are coming from our neighbourhood countries Argentina and Brazil, it is much easy and cheap to import from there but not from far away countries like Italy. I had to rebuild the engine during this hollydays and to give you an example, the price a set of the original italian pistons and rings cost as much as US $ 350, compare this with the pistons and rings set made in Argentina that cost US $ 142 :-) Juan -- Poch wrote: thanks for the input. but its still tempting cause of the great deal, maybe if i maintain the car really well like frequent oil changes. theres not much choices on small diesel cars here in manila,im really looking for a subcompact diesel car in the 1 to 1.9 liter range. the smaller the engine the smaller the consumption of fuel, wvoil is somewhat scarce here cause people rarely throw away anything. the big fastfood stores already has a company that pickups their oil. i have already determined that i can get get wvoils that would be enough for my daily fuel consumption assuming im using a small engine. the stalls that deep fry pork crackers are the ones with the greatest potential in my area. Cheers Poch [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fiat UNO Diesel on Biodiesel? I presume it is the 1.9 litre diesel that you are talking about. Avoid it like the plague, they drop inlet valves and break camshafts for a pastime.Fiat have recently taken to using the Peugeot 1.9 and that is much much better. 1992 is a FIAT! Ken --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] graphic from alt fuel, antiwar rally saturday
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were a lot of good signs at the protest. At one point I was stuck behind a guy with a BIG pickup truck with a large lumber rack on it- it had a sign hanging from back of the rack- wide enough to take up most of the lane (this was during the alternative fuel vehicle parade that was organized as part of the anti war protest). it said, REAL MEN DON'T GET GAS . In really big letters. the rest of the truck had equally big signs about biodiesel. there were also 'real patriots fuel with biodiesel' (and real patriots drive hybrids, your car sucks gas, my car sips gas, and lots more). We also draped my truck with banners including a variation of the anti war slogan 'no blood for oil' which became 'ain't NO BLOOD FOR vegetable OIL' and biodiesel: 'think globally, brew locally'. I still think my favorite one was that graphic in the link I posted. Mark At 09:59 AM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote: Mark, Great picture, US need more of this kind. Hakan At 10:27 PM 1/19/2003 -0800, you wrote: Hey folks, Check out this graphic on a sign someone had at the alternative fuel vehicle portion of the anti-war rally in san francisco yesterday... http://www.veggieavenger.com/news/imagewindow.php?image=127-2701_IMGhtt p://www.veggieavenger.com/news/imagewindow.php?image=127-2701_IMG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] graphic from alt fuel, antiwar rally saturday
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, Could you please try to get an original .jpg of the one you posted for publishing on web sites. That on could also be combined with a text on the right of it, for bumper stickers etc. Very good, should be used and published. Sorry that I said US in my previous mail, it is valid for the whole world Hakan At 09:46 AM 1/20/2003 -0800, you wrote: There were a lot of good signs at the protest. At one point I was stuck behind a guy with a BIG pickup truck with a large lumber rack on it- it had a sign hanging from back of the rack- wide enough to take up most of the lane (this was during the alternative fuel vehicle parade that was organized as part of the anti war protest). it said, REAL MEN DON'T GET GAS . In really big letters. the rest of the truck had equally big signs about biodiesel. there were also 'real patriots fuel with biodiesel' (and real patriots drive hybrids, your car sucks gas, my car sips gas, and lots more). We also draped my truck with banners including a variation of the anti war slogan 'no blood for oil' which became 'ain't NO BLOOD FOR vegetable OIL' and biodiesel: 'think globally, brew locally'. I still think my favorite one was that graphic in the link I posted. Mark At 09:59 AM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote: Mark, Great picture, US need more of this kind. Hakan At 10:27 PM 1/19/2003 -0800, you wrote: Hey folks, Check out this graphic on a sign someone had at the alternative fuel vehicle portion of the anti-war rally in san francisco yesterday... http://www.veggieavenger.com/news/imagewindow.php?image=127-2701_IMGhtt p://www.veggieavenger.com/news/imagewindow.php?image=127-2701_IMG --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] graphic from alt fuel, antiwar rally saturday
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone wanting that can just ask the Veggie Avenger- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - but it's also an easy graphic for someone to just make themselves... Mark At 07:27 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote: Mark, Could you please try to get an original .jpg of the one you posted for publishing on web sites. That on could also be combined with a text on the right of it, for bumper stickers etc. Very good, should be used and published. Sorry that I said US in my previous mail, it is valid for the whole world Hakan A [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: Ford Mondeo TD
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, hugh_frater [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1996... more likely than not, It'll be a pre-common rail engine, in which case it'll either run a bosch or lucas/roto-diesel pump. These have been used on loads of small diesels over the years without any problems. They all work on pretty much the same principle, as do the injectors although I can't remember if the ford engine is direct injection or indirect injection... I imagine the former as they have a lot of experience with that from the transit and escort. To be quite honest, it should behave no differently from any other small diesel. You might have to sort out the rubber hoses, I don't know as I haven't had any bioDiesel experinece, just years of experience with diesel engine. Ask the guys on the list... Hugh, Dorset UK --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Methanol source
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try Ellis Everard. I only know their Exeter branch, 01392 444108. I know they can supply but haven't bought any from them. Methonex in the north east are the manufacturers but they won't deal with individuals. Let me know how you get on and how much it costs. sincerely Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol source Does anyone know of a source for methanol in Dorset UK? I live over near swanage, but am regularly commuting to Poole/Bournemouth and would like to find a source in this area... Hugh Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Good news for air breathers
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just surfing around Michael Moore's excellent website - www.michaelmoore.com and found an article from The Economist about a new bill by Joseph Lieberman and John McCain that will, if passed, mandate a reduction in greenhouse gases. Here's the link: http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1538758 . It also mentions that New York's (Republican) Governor Pataki plans to start regulating GHG's (greenhouse gases) -following California's lead. Craig --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Newbie....
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, abattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anybody like to give a newbie a quick intro to the biofuel group. What are biofuels and what are the different kinds? What makes a good biofuel good? Thanks --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: biofuel jetta
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone aware of any problems with putting biodiesel in the newer jetta TDI's? Thanks. Brian __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: NaOH Supply
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a typical non-commercial source of sodium hydroxide? I was reading on the journey to forever page that it is something you can get at a hardware store - what would it be called?? Could I just walk in and ask for a bottle/tub of NaOH or is there a layman's term for the stuff? Thanks Robin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: graphic from alt fuel, antiwar rally saturday
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heheh, I was wondering where all the traffic for just that one image was coming from. The whole stack is at: http://www.veggieavenger.com/news/rally.shtml -- ww --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone wanting that can just ask the Veggie Avenger- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - but it's also an easy graphic for someone to just make themselves... Mark At 07:27 PM 1/20/2003 +0100, you wrote: Mark, Could you please try to get an original .jpg of the one you posted for publishing on web sites. That on could also be combined with a text on the right of it, for bumper stickers etc. Very good, should be used and published. Sorry that I said US in my previous mail, it is valid for the whole world Hakan A [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: biodiesel
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, dshirode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey there, I'm a student of Third Year petrochemical Engg. studying at MIT, Pune, Maharashtra, India. I am interested in biofuels and I have been working on it since a year. I have some national level presentataions on the same topic to my credit. Now I'm willing to take a project on biodiesel at my final year of Engg., as Govt. of india has recently decided to foray into the field of biodiesel. (This field is quite new in India). For this I'm planning to manufacture Biodiesel from non edible oils available in India and test it for emissions. Also design a plant to operate for mass production of biodiesel. For this I'll require ur help. We'll meet soon in other mails. Any one from the same region or in the same conditions please contact. Dhanwantari Shirode Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy the best in Movies at http://www.videos.indiatimes.com Now bid just 7 Days in Advance and get Huge Discounts on Indian Airlines Flights. So log on to http://indianairlines.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Where do I put all this glycerin??
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, dave01632002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am very interested in making biodiesel from used vegetable oil and methanol, but my biggest concern is disposal of the glycerin. I understand I should obtain approximately 15 gallons of glycering to every 85 gallons of biodiesel. Is this correct? And what do I do with all this glycerin? Please help. Dave --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: trying to register a fuel alcohol still in Canada
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, RobLunan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sorry to pester you. I'm at my whit's end. I can find lots of info on registering a fuel alcohol still in the USA but nothing in Canada. Do you know who to contact in Canada or do you have a link? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Rob Lunan --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Bioethanol 5,7%
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes I ask something!!!???!!! I remember that USA, in 2005, want to export the Bioethanol at 5,7%, is it true? or They will produce before? I view a very few messages in this period, why? Best regards at the all people!!! Ezio --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: RE: [biofuel] biofuel jetta
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Ellringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lots of people power their TDI's with varying amounts of biodiesel, including B100 (100%). I highly recommend you join fellow TDI owners in discussing biodiesel and biofuels at the web forums on www.tdiclub.com . Click on FORUMS at the top, then TDI discussion, then Fuels and Lubricants. You can search there for old threads on the topic, or post a new question. There has been extensive discussion of biodiesel there. A potential problem for some folks is the nullification of VW warranties by using biodiesel in the US. This is possibly avoidable, don't ask, don't tell. Some have a hard time not advertising their use of biofuels, putting up red flags at the dealer... Another issue for biodiesel in general is cold temperature gelling. this can be overcome by several different add-ons to your vehicle. Among them, the Veg-therm and TDIheater. Others use additives or blends with dinodiesel. Anyone aware of any problems with putting biodiesel in the newer jetta TDI's? Thanks. Good luck Brian, Aaron, who is patiently waiting for my subaru to kick it so I can get a diesel... running 10% ethanol until then in cold, snowless wisconsin --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: North America's first Pedestrian Charter
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toronto has recently become the first city in North America to adopt a Pedestrian Charter. Spearheaded by Toronto Food Policy Council member Janice Etter and her citizen colleague Rhona Swarbrick, the Charter includes one clause identifying a crucial issue for people advocating on behalf of all neighbourhoods' rights to access quality food retail outlets: namely, the right to access basic amenities by foot. Change is afoot. To read the Pedestrian Charter, go to http://www.toronto.ca/pedestrian/. For background and advice on how to develop a Pedestrian Charter for your area, contact Janice at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Where do I put all this glycerin??
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, I haven't used it myself yet, but the glcerin can be used as a soap. You can read more about it at the biodeisel websites. It depends on how you want to use it, whether just to clean up your shop, or if you want to make bars of soap..i think you have to work on the purity of the glycerin depending on the use. Brian --- dave01632002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am very interested in making biodiesel from used vegetable oil and methanol, but my biggest concern is disposal of the glycerin. I understand I should obtain approximately 15 gallons of glycering to every 85 gallons of biodiesel. Is this correct? And what do I do with all this glycerin? Please help. Dave __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] NaOH Supply
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lye. You can find it at the hardware store or grocery store, on the same isle as drain cleaners, in a can just a bit larger than a soda can. It might be marked with the brand name Red Devil. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Robin Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 21:39 Subject: [biofuel] NaOH Supply Is there a typical non-commercial source of sodium hydroxide? I was reading on the journey to forever page that it is something you can get at a hardware store - what would it be called?? Could I just walk in and ask for a bottle/tub of NaOH or is there a layman's term for the stuff? Thanks Robin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Newbie....
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were do I start? BioFuels are, in simplest terms, fuels that are derived from renewable biological sources. Wood that is burned in the fireplace, charcoal in a furnace, and vegetable oil, that with or with out simple chemical modification, can be used in place of diesel fuel or heating oil ( the diesel engine was orignaly made to run on vegtable oil ), are all examples of BioFuels, another couple of examples are the alcohols Methanol and Ethanol derived from plant material. Some people might argue that oil, coal and other petrochemical stocks are derived from ancient biological sources, and so they might be included, but, true BioFuels come from renewable sources, that do not add to the burden on the atmoshpere. Some people ask, How can BioFuels be better for the atmosphere, if you still burn them? . It is simple, the carbon dioxide ( CO2 ), that is made when biofuels are burnt, recycle, back in the the plant material which they came from. Keep in mind, that just about anything made from petrochemical stocks, can be made from biological sources as well. A couple of other things to keep in mind is: 1) On this list, while everyone here has a interest in BioFuels, not everyone agrees on politics, and politics has a big impact on fuels of any kind. This list, at times, gets heated on how things should be done, but it always cools down. 2) There is a lot of disinformation about BioFuels out and about. Some of it is through ignorance, some of it is on purpose. If you have any questions at all, ask, and someone will help you. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:50 Subject: [biofuel] Newbie Would anybody like to give a newbie a quick intro to the biofuel group. What are biofuels and what are the different kinds? What makes a good biofuel good? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Re: graphic from alt fuel, antiwar rally saturday
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, studio53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks William for posting this... I only thought there was one image... makes me want to go back to S.F. (Was there in Haight-Asbury in 68') --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: graphic from alt fuel, antiwar rally saturday heheh, I was wondering where all the traffic for just that one image was coming from. The whole stack is at: http://www.veggieavenger.com/news/rally.shtml snipe --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Hello again
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Sorry, that took a bit longer than expected (what a surprise - doesn't everything?). So we moved house, as well as project, to a small village in Ichijima Prefecture. The move went fine, but... Another story, or several, for later, not uninteresting, and pertinent to some previous threads. Second but - computer problems, or rather keyboard problems, so I was unable to connect until Saturday, and all I could accomplish then was to clear some backlogged messages. Including one from a guy who'd decided his previous message, still backlogged from the day before, had been censored because this list did not consider it as politically correct. Sheesh! I did say things might be a bit slow until I managed to get online again, but I thought that might happen. Thanks for your understanding, pal. :-( Anyway, keyboard's working fine now - got all clogged up with city dust in Osaka. We had a nice clean modern flat there, but still it was dusty. Where does all this dust come from?? I wanted to take it apart and clean it, as I've often done before, but, um, you can't do that with a G4 keyboard, it doesn't come apart. They designed it for some other planet I guess. I asked a Mac list, one guy told me to put it in the dishwasher. I thought he was kidding, but several others said the same - soap and warm water, rinse thoroughly, dry thoroughly. And it worked, amazing - good as new. Meanwhile we've found a couple of diesel vans, and we'll buy one of them by the weekend. Then we're in business - lots of potential round here. Too much to do right now, and I haven't read all the incoming messages over the last few days yet. I'll catch up soon, meanwhile no more delays on moderator tasks and so on. And no, no censorship either thankyou, and sod anything called PC. Best Keith --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Where do I put all this glycerin??
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably about 6.715 gallons of true glycerin for every 85 gallons of feedstock. The rest will be recoverable alcohol and soap. Unfortunately you can't separate the glycerin from the soap without evaporating the glycerin at over 500*F. Journey to Forever has a section on how to chemically recover the glycerin, a process that also breaks the soap down to the original free fatty acids and changes the residual catalyst to a reusable fertilizer. That same recovery process will require considerably less chemical inputs and yield a slightly higher grade glycerin if you are originally using the acid/base process. Using the straight base process makes considerably more soap byproducts than the acid/base process. Depending upon your feedstock, whether it was clean oil or waste fats and oils, the glycerin may be scent free enough as to use in other soap making or sell to soap makers, although they don't use a great deal of it. You may also be able to store it until you have enough volume for a glycerin refiner to take it. Or you could dillute it with water and dispense it over fields along with the recovered fertilizer. The recovered free fatty acids can be used as a boiler, oil lamp or some other fuel. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: [biofuel] Where do I put all this glycerin?? Hello, I am very interested in making biodiesel from used vegetable oil and methanol, but my biggest concern is disposal of the glycerin. I understand I should obtain approximately 15 gallons of glycering to every 85 gallons of biodiesel. Is this correct? And what do I do with all this glycerin? Please help. Dave Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Japan: Environment Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Sam Jai-In [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi KeithHakan, The resistance came from all sides, both the automakers in Japan and the legs and arms here in Thailand as well as those that have business interest or cross holding in petroleum,MTBE or tetraethyllead! Those are the odds against sustainable energy future for developing countries. My view is that bioethanol, biodiesel and biogas can have significant portion of the transport fuel needs of agricultural countries.We could ,in fact,aim for a very high market share of say 5% share by 2010, similar to that of the EU, and that would mean that we will need hundreds of small-medium biofuel plants all over the country. Surely all the poor and rural farmers will somehow have to learn all the trick of the trades, in their own terms and languages but the forum here is the starting point! The efforts by your group have been very useful to convince people all over the world and I would say that reading 20/30 emails on the subject has made me all the more wiser about the issue. Keep on the good work! Samai --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Samai Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the opposition in Thailand (and other SE Asian countries?) was more on the part of the local agents or local branches, and I don't know how closely the branches are tied to the mother companies when it comes to such issues. We've found some quite different views among senior people in the Japanese motor companies here in Japan, some of them very interested in biofuels developments in SE Asia. But that wasn't an official view or company policy. Whatever, I'm sure you're right, it will be much more difficult for them to be negative about it now if you can point to a positive policy in Japan, that their mother companies subscribe to. Thanks for this info as it brought me a big relieve that the Japanese are now thinking of Ethanol and Biodiesel! For the past three years that we have tried to launch biofuel program in Thailand where most carsmotorcycles are Japanese-made, those who have always come up with NEGATIVE views of biofuel are Japanese motor companies as well as some engineering associations. They would raise all sort of reasons such as emissions, material compatability, ozone formation, price etc etc. that seems endless. Now that their motherland is thinking about it, I surely hope that the critics will look at the issue under a different light. Perhaps, all other smaller countries can develop their biofuel programs and therefore, one day, they can hope to climb out of the poverty trap and the dependency on foreign aid packages! Hear hear! Best wishes Keith Samai Japan: Environment Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles Dec 16, 2002 The Asahi Shimbun http://www.asahi.com/english/national/K2002121600230.html Japan: Country Eyes Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010 Dec 19, 2002 http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=newscat=4id=243380 __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Japan: Environment Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Samai, I agree with you, Keith is doing a marvel with the web site Journey to forever, dealing with maybe the most important problems for developing countries. I think that he is getting it all together in a very practical way and on village level. He is in fact writing a road map on how to get out of the poverty trap. He is very much aware of that this is in reality an energy trap and are showing the way out of this. Sustainable agriculture without need of chemicals and the energy consumption. Effective burning for cooking or using solar power and with this also solving severe health problems. Biofuels for transportation, electricity generation and heating. I think he is covering the corners. Education is going to be the key for success in developing countries and this is very important. Once it can be started in developing countries and it is an efficient education plan together, it has a chance to snowball. The education plan could use the tactics of MLM-marketing. Sign up a village for education and assistance, against a commitment that they sign up and educate 5 other villages, under the same conditions. So what is key is the education material and standard equipment for supporting the snowball, once it starts rolling. The bigger cities will provide for the needed financial incentives for the villages. Keith have it all there and it will work. Hakan At 10:02 AM 12/23/2002 +, you wrote: Hi KeithHakan, The resistance came from all sides, both the automakers in Japan and the legs and arms here in Thailand as well as those that have business interest or cross holding in petroleum,MTBE or tetraethyllead! Those are the odds against sustainable energy future for developing countries. My view is that bioethanol, biodiesel and biogas can have significant portion of the transport fuel needs of agricultural countries.We could ,in fact,aim for a very high market share of say 5% share by 2010, similar to that of the EU, and that would mean that we will need hundreds of small-medium biofuel plants all over the country. Surely all the poor and rural farmers will somehow have to learn all the trick of the trades, in their own terms and languages but the forum here is the starting point! The efforts by your group have been very useful to convince people all over the world and I would say that reading 20/30 emails on the subject has made me all the more wiser about the issue. Keep on the good work! Samai --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Samai Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the opposition in Thailand (and other SE Asian countries?) was more on the part of the local agents or local branches, and I don't know how closely the branches are tied to the mother companies when it comes to such issues. We've found some quite different views among senior people in the Japanese motor companies here in Japan, some of them very interested in biofuels developments in SE Asia. But that wasn't an official view or company policy. Whatever, I'm sure you're right, it will be much more difficult for them to be negative about it now if you can point to a positive policy in Japan, that their mother companies subscribe to. Thanks for this info as it brought me a big relieve that the Japanese are now thinking of Ethanol and Biodiesel! For the past three years that we have tried to launch biofuel program in Thailand where most carsmotorcycles are Japanese-made, those who have always come up with NEGATIVE views of biofuel are Japanese motor companies as well as some engineering associations. They would raise all sort of reasons such as emissions, material compatability, ozone formation, price etc etc. that seems endless. Now that their motherland is thinking about it, I surely hope that the critics will look at the issue under a different light. Perhaps, all other smaller countries can develop their biofuel programs and therefore, one day, they can hope to climb out of the poverty trap and the dependency on foreign aid packages! Hear hear! Best wishes Keith Samai Japan: Environment Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles Dec 16, 2002 The Asahi Shimbun http://www.asahi.com/english/national/K2002121600230.html Japan: Country Eyes Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010 Dec 19, 2002 http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=newscat=4id=243380 __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from
Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can give a personal anecdote. I still drive a 1989 Chevy pickup I bought brand new. It has used almost exclusively 10% Ethanol fuel. I have replaced a Water Pump and a couple of alternators. The valve covers have never been removed. Oil has been changed every 5000 miles since new. It now is nearly a quart low when the Oil Change comes due. The majority of the driving on this vehicle is at 70-80 Mph. It currently has 220,000 miles, and runs very well. Unloaded, with no trailer, I still get 19-21 MPG with 5 speed overdrive transmission and 3.07 rearend gear ratio at 70MPH. Tires are well-balanced and aligned, and I run 45PSI in them. I have a fiberglass cap that fits very closely to the cab, and has a fairly steep forward angle on the rear for aerodynamics. I credit the tire inflation pressure and the cap for fuel economy. I don't normally use this vehicle for local driving. It is used when I need to go a long distance in a short amount of time. Motie I can also add that my Owner's Manual calls for replacing the Fuel filter every 15,000 miles. I changed it for the first time at 50,000, and have never changed it since. The current fuel filter has approximately 170,000 miles on it. The Catalytic converter has never been changed, nor has the muffler. Other than tire work, no one but myself has ever done any work on the vehicle. Maybe I'm too fussy, and should let incompetents 'work' on it a bit to hasten it's replacement? The only time it's ever been at the Dealer, is when I bought it. I Custom-ordered it, to my personal specs. When it finally wears out, I will likely build another one myself, instead of relying on Detroit to do it for me. I prefer specialized vehicles, built for their intended useage. Detroit makes too many compromises to suit me. My 2 cents, Motie --- End forwarded message ---
Fwd: Re: OT - Nation's SUV Critics Are Gaining Traction
who are members of this list in support of my comments last time and this. Many don't care to deal with the raging intolerance and narrow mindedness cause often these poor souls cause themselves harm all on their own with out much help. I, on the the other hand feel though some of them on the way to harming themselfs harm a few good people too so at times I speak out. Not often... maybe not often enough Sharing the earth responsibly GP Jessup III-coachgeo3 (notice I don't give a shiat if you put my name out there... its been there all along. BTW··. Was pointing out my name so quickly meant to be a subliminal threat? If so Im shaking in my boots. NAUGH --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GP Jessup III-coachgeo3, has it somehow slipped your mind that you've stated this case here before, and very much got the worst of it? Now you come back a few months later and say it all over again as if it never happened, using the arguments that got you such a drubbing last time. I'm sorry, but that's just boring - if you really have forgotten it all, then please go to the archives and look up the thread Open Season on Open Space, plus associated threads, and if you still want to be so bold then try to find an argument that didn't get blown away last time. You can start here if you like: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=15122list=BIOFUEL Fairly typical of the response you got: Harmon, The tire spikes and razor wire may be a little severe but, I can empathise with your disgust. I have personally left a couple of dickheads laying crumpled in the dust(one got a good left hook and the other a nice kick in the balls) for their blatant disregard for my right to keep my property free from earth abusers. I believe that there will come a time real soon where people who commit crimes against the earth will be prosecuted with equal fervor as those who commit crimes against people. kris --- harmonseaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am an avide offroader and we have seen PUBLIC land closed to the PUBLIC way to much. Yes... their are peope who abuse the land but lets punish that small percentage not the larger percentage of those who do not. All, and I mean *ALL*, motorized offroad use needs to be stopped ASAP. And that includes motorboats. There's just no excuse for polluting and using up precious resources for recreation. The noise factor alone is reason enough. If the gov't won't do it, I'll bet tire spikes in the trails and barbed wire neck high will. I have property in the north woods in a national forest -- the off-roaders laugh at no-tresspass signs. People in WI and MN have been threatened, assualted, and even run over when trying to stop off-roaders from trespassing on their property. Off-roaders are a pack of disgusting subhuman vermin the world could do without. Anybody too lazy to get off their fat ass and walk, ski, paddle, or sail shouldn't be allowed in the outofdoors. You say: [pirate4x4.com] I know of thousands of 4 wheelers that take pride in their good stewardship of mother earth. MM's cross-post was about future energy supplies, about America going to WAR - KILLING people - to commandeer oil supplies in other people's countries (property right? - who's talking about property right?), my response mentioned (as usual) that America WASTES half its (?) energy (at the very least), and you're talking about driving gas-guzzlers for FUN?? - and claiming that people who do it can in some miraculous manner be acting as good stewards of mother earth? Pardon me (or not) but that is BIZARRE. SPORTS Utility Vehicles - what the hell is that? Utility is not sport, nor sport utility, and vehicles, especially these greedy ones, are not TOYS. There's a war on, in case you didn't notice - no, not the next Iraqi war that hasn't quite yet happened, that's just another phase, it's been going on for some time, with no shortage of collateral victims - DEAD people. Hundreds of thousands of them, or more. During WWII in Britain the message was: Is your journey really necessary? Why don't you ask yourself that, and then come and tell us about SUVs and good stewardship. Good grief. I love my offroading adventures yet I see upcomming fuel problems. Get a burro. My decision to go with Bio-Diesel/ Veg oil use is largely based on wanting to do better for the economy and to further
