Re: [biofuel] Changing times, quick diesels
On the subject of quick diesels heres one to wow the petrol heads you talk to. 850hp 1600ft/lbs http://www.competitionplus.com/11_13_2002/diesel_doug.html BTW read what he says about the economy? of this monster. Neil Canberra Australia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Back Online
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online snippo Even the fast growing teak, developed mainly in central and south America, takes at least 2-4 the time to mature as pine trees and it is questionable if it is still hardwood. The fast growing teak is softer, but still have the natural defense against humidity and insects. Hakan, hardness has nothing to do with whether a tree is a hardwood or a softwood, this is really a misnomer. Balsa wood is a hardwood. It is all related to whether the tree is pored or nonpored. With hardwoods being pored. In fact the correct terminology is Angiosperm, seeds in fruit, broadleaves, pored timber (hardwoods) and Gymnosperms, naked seeds in cones, usually narrow leaves, non pored timber (softwoods) Neil Canberra snippo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Timber species
Sadly no, I teach woodwork for a living to high school children, the majority of whom merely waste the resource and I recycle it into firewood, and have no knowledge of the person you are refering to. Sorry. Neil Canberra Australia - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Timber species I agree with you and my comment about teak was more of an attempt to joke, than a serious suggestion. Stupid joke that I regret when I read it after the posting. You have several slow growing softwood trees, but hardly fast growing hardwood. Since you know a lot about wood management, maybe you can help me with one thing that irritates me. I can not remember the name of the German around 200 years ago, who developed the embryo to the modern sustainable forest management. I read some 120 year old books about it on my mothers family estate around 30 years ago. It was very interesting and the start of the Swedish sustainable forest management around 150 years ago. I have seen his name at a later occasion but cannot remember it. I guess that you studied the subject and maybe know his name. Hakan At 08:26 AM 11/25/2002 +1100, you wrote: I merely make the point to clarify timber species, however huon pine is a Gymnosperm ie a softwood but is an incredibly slow growing tree. My point was that the fact that they make a tree faster growing does not change its botanical class. BTW I am in Australia and we are going to pine pallets here after many years using native Angiosperm timber. Radiata pine a native of Canada is our preferred plantation timber, maturing in 30 yrs. Neil Canberra Australia - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online Niel, I thought by translation from Swedish that it is usually direct related to the size of the yearly addition of thickness and the age of the tree. This does not necessary translates to the hardness of the wood, but in many cases it does. What it does translate to is the time it takes for the tree to grow. Teak, Oak, Jacaranda, Balsa, etc is hardwood and Pine is softwood. I doubt that the American pallets are made of Balsa, but if they are it is equally wrong and also totally useless. Maybe it is a translation error here and then I apologize. The point was the time it takes to produce the wood, not the hardness. If American pallets are made of a fast growing hardwood, I must have made a mistake. Hakan At 07:17 AM 11/25/2002 +1100, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online snippo Even the fast growing teak, developed mainly in central and south America, takes at least 2-4 the time to mature as pine trees and it is questionable if it is still hardwood. The fast growing teak is softer, but still have the natural defense against humidity and insects. Hakan, hardness has nothing to do with whether a tree is a hardwood or a softwood, this is really a misnomer. Balsa wood is a hardwood. It is all related to whether the tree is pored or nonpored. With hardwoods being pored. In fact the correct terminology is Angiosperm, seeds in fruit, broadleaves, pored timber (hardwoods) and Gymnosperms, naked seeds in cones, usually narrow leaves, non pored timber (softwoods) Neil Canberra snippo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [biofuel] Car of the future or a lot of hot air?
xp professional, the closest MS has come to a workable OS, no problems with this or any of my other lists. Could be the way your network is administered? Neil - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:02 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Car of the future or a lot of hot air? I use Windows 2000 Professional which is NT based. No problems except MSOutlook. As for cryo be careful as O2 boils after N2 so liquid N can create liquid O from the air. Mysterious explosions in the presence of hydrocarbons. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:24 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Car of the future or a lot of hot air? Keith Addison wrote: http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/18354/story.htm Car of the future or a lot of hot air? Very good article. I was pondering the making of an AIR CAR myself. What i was going to use however is 'Liquid Air'. The University frequently uses Liquid Nitrogen (LN) which is stored at atmospheric pressure in a thermal bottle and is simply 'poured' from one bottle to another. What I was researching was a way to make 2 ltr /day LN at home. LN expands 900 time its original volume so LOTS of pressure can be built up in a very short time. Home production is the only way to really get away from dependency of BIG BUSINESS, Be it BIO-FUEL, home heating, self electric generation. Legal Alternate fuel is the first step and from what i have seen of BIO- DIESEL I have got to get started making this stuff. Air motors are easy to find or even build. one design i have seen used a 3 HP mower motor with very little modification and ran ok on 120 LB air, not lots of power but it did prove it can be done. I think a turbine with reduction would work better, but turbines are more complex. I think i am starting to bore someone so i better close. TTFN David Wood (AASET UW-P E.T.) PS : every time i post to this group the message bounces but still goes through, any thoughts on this other than I HAVE to use MS WINNT. ( I hate NT) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 9/30/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol Wrecks our engines....
Sunflower Keith do you have any articles destroying this statement. It is currently being put out by Big Oil over the addition of 10 - 20% Ethanol in Australias Petrol. The Pres of the biofuel association is pushing it up hill with a very pointy and bendy stick. I would like some real testing results to send off as the situation is reaching almost hysteria, people demanding fuel with out ethanol (That cheap additive put there to make the petrol go further). Damn glad I only have Diesels on Bio. Neil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel fuel pumps.
Hello Phillip. AFAIK the pumps are all mechanically driven, though some have electronic control over injection timings etc. Not sure of the pressure that the pump operates at but the opening pressure on the injectors in my 80 series Diesel landcruiser are 17,652 - 18633 kPa Thus the pump must supply the fuel at a higher pressure than that. HTH Neil Canberra Oz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel fuel pumps. Howdy all, Could someone please tell me what pressures diesel fuel pumps operate at? And, are they all mechanical or are some run by their own electric motor? Phillip GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel fuel pumps.
There is no back pressure on the pump. The injector needle closes it is like a one way valve. To work out the pressure in the combustion chamber you could multiply the capacity of the cylinder by the compression ratio, assuming the air entering is at one atmosphere. If it is forced induction ie Turboed or Supercharged then you will need to know the boost pressure. Neil - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel fuel pumps. So that'd be about 260 PSI? What's the pressure of the cumbustion in a diesel? Does the pump have to withstand the cumbustion pressure, or is there a check valve somewhere? Thanks! On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:07:19 +1000 Neil and Adele Craven [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Phillip. AFAIK the pumps are all mechanically driven, though some have electronic control over injection timings etc. Not sure of the pressure that the pump operates at but the opening pressure on the injectors in my 80 series Diesel landcruiser are 17,652 - 18633 kPa Thus the pump must supply the fuel at a higher pressure than that. HTH Neil Canberra Oz GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Trucks for sale
H7Unserviceable - condemned/ reparable Explanation: Material which has been determined to be unserviceable and does not meet repair criteria; Type I shelf life material that has passed the expiration date, and Type II shelf life material that has passed the expiration date and cannot be extended. NOTE: Classify obsolete and excess material to its proper condition before consigning to the DRMO. DO NOT classify material in supply condition H unless it is truly unserviceable and does not meet repair criteria. ¦ Seems that they are classified H7 see above explanation. 47k original purchase cost, 19k miles unservicable , perhaps that means never serviced. Could be a project for someone who likes brick walls and collisions between same and forehead. Neil - Original Message - From: Greg and April To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Trucks for sale - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 09:46 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Trucks for sale What year and how much? Richard They are up for auction. Starting as low as $35.00 US Goto http://www.govliquidation.com/ Type Multi Fuel Truck into the search. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engine after market products?
Turbo chargers, intercoolers, and superchargers. Neil Turbo diesel x1 Intercooled Turbo diesel x1 Does anyone know whether there are after-market products that bring this or any of the other improvements to older engines? Thanks, Mark Payton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets
If it was an FJ then it was originally a 4.0ltr 6cyl petrol engine. Using the 2f motor, very reliable but not economical by any means. If it was an original diesel fitment it should be a HJ60 which used the venerable 2H diesel, (ah memories) 3.9 ltr took quite well to mild turbo charging and couldnt kill it with a stick. (mine had 350k klms on it when I sold it) Therefore a brief recap. Landcruisers have an F in their model # for Petrol (Gas) and an H for diesel. Neil snip I even ran across a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser for sale the other day - an '82 FJ60, originally from Canada. Craig [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hovermatic twin tub as processor
snippo tried palm oil for awhile as it was free but it freezes in tank even here in WA so looking for source of oil in perth and to meet other backyarders,currently get my metho from WESTERN PETROEUM collier rd morley in 20lt drums Hello Gordon, and welcome. I guess the Nissan fared better than the postman. You're doing some clever things, keep going, and keep us informed. There are quite a lot of Ozzies here, maybe some near you. What's the meth cost you, by the way? Everyone always wants to know that. Try to get your meth in 205 litre drums (44gal imp) (55us)I bought my first lot of meth in 20ltr drums $A55, or 2.75 good ol Aussie dollars per litre (BTW current exchange is about .54us$ - 1A$) In 205ltr drum from the same supplier, Hill and Co Mobil distributers in Canberra it was 198$ or .96per litre. It makes a big difference to the cost of the Bio. As for oil supplies talk to your local restuarants, often the smaller ones have to just junk the oil in the hoppers, Most of the larger ones like Macca's and Kingsleys have contractors that take it away. I have a few places in Canberra and have no trouble sourcing 160ltrs per week. This is despite there being a large collection company who make cosmetics from the stuff. I save the landfill 8 - 10 20 ltr drums per week, the restaurants are happy as I collect, and they dont feel guilty throwing it in the hopper. hit me off list if you want any more info. Neil Canberra Oz Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Discontinued Ford [behemoths] [CHAT]
Not to mention the Lincoln Continental after 46years of continuous production is also no more. Neil Canberra Australia - Original Message - From: MH To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:18 PM Subject: [biofuel] Discontinued Ford Trucks Heard yesterday that the U.S. Ford Excursion is being discontinued. This SUV was intended to compete with GMs Chevy Suburban. It sounded as if the Lincoln Blackwood luxury pickup truck may also be a collectors item. `` Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Access Your PC from Anywhere - Free Trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/o5uw2C/0ncEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Witch Hunters
Hey guys could you fight off list please. Neil - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Witch Hunters Two points, Mr Smith, maybe more. One, it seems you came here to pick a fight, no? Now why's that? Your viewing of the case is most certainly skewed, in favour of what? Second, one thing you appear not to have noticed (among several) is that, had you gone onto MikeF's list and attacked him as you've come here and attacked me and others, there's no doubt that he'd've kicked you out, as he's kicked three others out (well, two - I wasn't a member but he kicked me out anyway, LOL!). But you're still here. The only emailers Gene Bowers will exclude are ones passing a virus or conveying violent threats, to the best of my knowledge. - MikeF. Right. Hey, Steve, Kirk? Did you guys pass viruses or make violent threats? Hm. Neither did I. Mr. Addison, I'm not sending my messages twice, but they are arriving twice and I can't do anything about it. Well maybe you'll stop repeating yourself soon. Once in a great while my email address malfunctions and causes the doubling, sorry. Keith your complaining MikeF sent you a nasty email AFTER you wrote the FIRST nasty email. It wasn't nasty. It also wasn't a personal attack. It raised quite a few issues which Mike failed to address, not for the first time, as you claim, and he responded with anger, and a personal attack. What did you expect ? Hearts flowers, perhaps. I expected a response to the issues I'd raised, which were most relevant, but I got zero response, just a personal attack and insults. You and Todd do talk to people, sometimes, like a white master addressing his black servants, don't you realize that ? If you want to twist that into a racist comment than your truly full of crap. You most certainly are full of crap. Of course it's a racist comment, and it's utter bullshit. You'll see this as an instance, won't you? It's direct, is all. And apt. If you helped South African blacks liberate themselves that's great. I commend you for your sense of moral purpose and bravery, but now you appear to be deliberately distorting, if not outright lieing, about a man who has done nothing, but give you his support. More bullshit. Now tell me what I've distorted and tell me what lies I've told, and make it both specific and snappy. Or shut up. What message does that send to your other supporters Keith ? How should they feel knowing you can turn on them, in a moments notice, and start launching insults and baseless accusations ? Bob The distortions are all yours. There seems to be rather a lot you've missed in your definitive judgment. It's half-assed as well as one-sided - it started well before that. In this case, as before, I was factual, the insults were Finley's. What I said was soundly based, you just don't feel like seeing it that way. Tell you what, Mr Smith, YOUR accusations should from now on be soundly based. They should refer to specific examples, and you should quote them, because so far all we've had from you is insults and baseless accusations. Pin them down or don't make them. Yes, that's a warning. If you have accusations to make, make sure that you reference them properly. So far you've simply been trolling. We don't allow trolls here. Go on now, yell about your views being suppressed. Not so - you can express whatever views you like, but if you're going to make accusations against people, reference it. Be sure to stick to the facts. Keith Addison --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're sending your messages twice, Bob Smith. Once is more than enough. Keith My full name is Bob Smith, its a real common name, but I'm stuck with it. Bob Unforth has the bobunf address. Mr. Unforth is ultra conservative, but I would call myself a techno green leftist. I'm all for renewables, hate nuclear and consider biofuel an important transitional energy. I agreed with Todd 95% of the time when he was in energyoptions, but he turned people off with his hard style. When Keith Addison was describing MikeF as a vindictive natured person who makes personalized charges of any kind I thought he was describing Todd much better. I'm afraid I have found no truth in Addison's accusations towards MikeF . MikeF is a persistent debater, but he doesn't lose his cool all that often. If anything he's one of the mellowest writers in green-energy-options. Bob --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's Bob huh? Wouldn't be Bob Unforth? The same guy who shoots down every post about wind, solar and other AE at the same site in question, with over escalated
[biofuel] Help soap.
Sunflower A couple of days ago I made another largish 125ltr of biodiesel, I had to let it sit in the mixer because the first day was very cold and the mix did not want to flow through the outlet taps and the next day I was off on a trip from Canberra Australia to Sydney a journey of about 600klms return. (It was an interesting journey as it was our first longer excursion in our new 82 peugeot 505 SRDT Turbo Diesel and to boot it was the first longish trip running on home made biodiesel). Today I tapped the mix out of the mixer, and sitting in the sun (winter in Canberra) the bio started to clear up very nicely like it was when I first tapped it out. I added some water about 30% and poured the bio into the mixer again stirred it up and went inside to await the settling. Unfortunately I have a large quantity of creamy white thickish soapy material. Is there anything I can do to resurect the situation or should I clean the drive way with the stuff? Would this work?
[biofuel] elevated temperatures
Sunflower What is the consequence of doing the methoxide oil reaction at temperatures above 75 - 80 degrees C. ie after boiling off water? Neil Canberra Australia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ps3dMC/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists
What a crock of s*t you psuedo environmentalists bushwalkers need to slap yourselves around the collective heads. The Bush as we Aussies like to call it is there for all to enjoy regardless of the particular method of getting there. Small children, the elderly and the infirm also have a right to use these areas. I teach the safe and responsible use of 4x4s and have just got back from giving up another weekend to help educate the masses. Ah the low impact backpacker, treks four days to get where the 4x4 can get in half a day, tramping over the ground taking time out to dig little holes all over the place because they cant carry their toilet, and Ill bet wont carry out all their waste not just the food products and rubbish that they carried in. 4x4s when driven by responsible drivers stick to formed tracks, do not trespass on private land and practice Tread lightly principles. When the bushwalker gets hurt/lost they want motorised transport to help them be it helicopter, 4x4 etc. Wake up and smell the roses. Neil 4x4 owner and instructor, and proud of it. - Original Message - From: Greg and April To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists - Original Message - From: harmonseaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 22:31 Subject: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists Yes, it is biofuels, and you're right, we've once again gone far afield. I guess what is really mind-boggling is that there are people who want to use biofuels, not because they want to tread more lightly upon the earth, but so they'll have more fuel (especially as fossil fuels run out) to continue raping her. Is that how you see it? It's is simple, If one uses biofuel then any impact on nature will be lighter. Not to continue raping her as you put it. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save on REALTOR Fees http://us.click.yahoo.com/Xw80LD/h1ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists
ahh Sir ignorance is bliss. In the Artic they build vehicles for their SAR teams. They have very large tyres, which they air down to 2psi, studies have proven that these vehicles place less presure per square inch on the delicate tundra than a bushwalkers foot generally so that they can save the unprepared ill planning bushwalker. You must realize that in every pursuit there are many different camps, from the well equiped, and prepared to the foolhardy. As for your premise on Trucks, please be aware that not every body lives in the most energy wasting country of them all the good ol u hes of hay. Where the technique for getting anywhere is if it wont go first time go back get a bigger motor and have another go. As for disconnects in thought processes go back over your posts on this issue. Neil - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists ??? (Scratches his head in consternation.) ? Boy...Do all Aussies have so many disconnects in their thought processes? I doubt it Let's s Line up two size 10's lineally along a 4 mile track..180# body weight + a 55# pack = approximately 6 psi per person. Conduct the same exercise with a set of four 10 nobbies5 times the width of the footprint that actually strikes the earthexponentially greater turf shredding torque..easily twice the psi of impact in comparison to foot traffic, whether an old Willy's or a new Hilux.brush flattened (or just bent?) by everthing between two hubs..the necessity of an 8' - 10' semi-lineal clearcut for 4 miles, complete with even wider clearing of widow makers, in comparison to a deer or bore trail...hundreds of crushed animal burrows along the way. Sounds like all the slapping upside the heads that should be going on is largely in the confines of the thousands of truck clubs globally. And in case you failed to notice.there's a wee tad of a difference in utility between park service roads and the needs for the park service to access them, and the utilititarian mentality of an off roader...I only got 36 hours before I have to punch the time clock again, so I better get my truck and ass in gear if I'm going to see a cool sunset. Then there are the provisos that were apparently missed in earlier posts to accomodate those with inability to obtain access to the wild. That's spelled h...a...n...d...i...c...a...p...p...e...dBut once again another off rudder attempts to use the handicapped issue to argue in favor of a road across every creek and paralleling every face of every hill. As for mooseberries? Never seen a moose, bear or wallaby porting around a Johnny to sequester their own skatYa' know?...There's fertilizerand then there's FERTILIZER. Bit of a queer mentality, that of 4 x 4 clubbers (and non-clubbers)Want to see the wilderness?...Gotta' have a truck (or some other such)..Then ya' have to pay for the truck, and the chrome, spit and polish that is supposed to impress everyone else.Which means ya' have to become even more the endentured servant to someone's time clock for a longer period of timeThen ya' get the pure pleasure of sucking up hundreds or thousands of dollars every year either conducting or paying for maintenance .So hell yeah!!!With all that reduced availability of free time?..Damned straight I gotta' have a truck 'cause I no longer have the free time to walk there. And yes..There are multiple differences between someone who lives 60 miles north of Tanana who keeps a Ski-Doo in good repair to traverse 6 feet of snow out of necessity and a clubber who has to have the highest cc Arctic Cat and glitziest gear so he or she looks snazzy while whipping around the 60 mile circuit before happy hour. (Aside from dazzle, the most notable is which one is sharp enough to carry snowshoes, shelter and survival rations and which one carries only an espresso thermos, a couple a' Snickers bars and a dead battery digital camera.) It's a universal difference, across every form of personal mechanized transport. Thoughtless, lazy people, slaves to their own inadequacies. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Neil and Adele Craven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists What a crock of s*t you psuedo environmentalists bushwalkers need to slap yourselves around the collective heads. The Bush as we Aussies like to call it is there for all to enjoy regardless of the particular method of getting there. Small children, the elderly and the infirm also have a right to use
Re: [biofuel] Re: making biodiesel/lye/methanol amounts
I had exactly the same problem, eventually discovered that my scales were more accurate than my brain. Instead of 1 gram of NaOH to a litre of distilled water, I used 0.1gram. There was not enough alkaline solution for the titration to go beyond about 6.9 I was staggered and shocked at results of 30ml of lye solution to get anywhere, not suprising really when that was only 3m at 1%. Red faced Neil Canberra Australia - Original Message - From: sdfgs fdgsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: making biodiesel/lye/methanol amounts Hi, Thanks for mail. i am very happy for ur solution. But i face the problem regarding to titration My oil ph is not go beyond 6.5. After adding 0.01 normal of NaOH solution of 2 ml then after that ph is deceased. WHY? So that i tried for near about 30 tests with varing all methanol lye and oil percentage till now i not gate the result. Why? Is there need of Distillation?plz give solution . Arjun big snippo PS snip your mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] bounce test
Sunflower [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ztNCyD/zDLEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ignition retarding
Canberra Australia, Though I do a reasonable amount of outback touring. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ignition retarding In a message dated 06/06/2002 7:49:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 06:27:31PM +1000, Neil and Adele Craven wrote: Now for my Question. What is the issue if the ignition is not retarded 2-3 deg? As I live in Australia and cover many outback Klms where fuel production would not be possible (Thankfully I have 265ltrs on board capacity) I would need to keep the car suitable to run on dinodiesel. Neil Adele: Where do you live in the outback? Richard McPherson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] titration
Sunflower I am having some major problems with the titration of my oil. Using digital ph meter Oil/Isopropyl Alcohol mix 6.4 !% Caustic soda 10.5 20ml iso, 2ml oil 1ml CS brings the reading to 6.9 and all is heading right. 2ml of CS takes the reading to 6.85 3ml of CS takes the reading to 6.75 Lost my temper here slightly 12ml of CS took the reading to 6.35 ie below staring value. Repeated with Phenolpthalien (sp) took 25 - 30 ml to get a pink colour. After 2ml the oil drops out of solution and is difficult to get to mix again. and the mixture turns a cloudy white colour. All help gratefully accepted as my hair is in clumps on the workshop floor. Neil Canberra Australia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] biodiesel in Direct Injection Diesels
SunflowerGroup, a friend of mine has a direct injection Isuzu LandRover, He has heard that biodiesel cannot be used in direct injection motors. Is this the case or not Neil Canberra Australia. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Questions re my first attempt.
SunflowerResults of my first attempt at BD are in the photo. On the left is settled (some soap left) but unwashed BD I have 15 litres that look like this. In the middle is the bottom third of the container from the left that settled out with two water washes through it. The third container has the raw BD no settling time but washed 3 times and left to sit for 30hrs. The one on the left is clear and the colour of honey, but the right hand one is quite a lot lighter but passes less light. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/files/Neil-BDtest.jpg I am a wood work teacher not a chemist and I would like to know if 1. clarity would be restored to the right container if it was heated and any remaining water boiled off. 2 the container on the left could be used for fuel as is or must it be washed to remove any lye/soap remaining. TIA Neil Canberra Ps the process was done in Canberra Australia in winter, less than 18deg C I used Mike Pelly's recipe, 200ml Methanol per litre WVO and 6.25grams of Lye. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Deo18C/zDLEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] water
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] water Will water in the fuel damage the engine? As far as a diesel motor goes...It will bugger up the pump if it gets that far.. most of it will get trapped in the filter. snippo They don't appear to think it will bugger up the pump. Big Snippo Tell that to a friend of mine who got a wet load of diesel in his disco TDi $A2.5k later the pump was good as new. The water is very abrasive to the extremely fine tolerance internals of modern Diesel injector pumps. Get a Racor aftermarket filter, it does not allow water to pass and will cause the motor to stave rather than let water through. Neil Canberra Aus. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ignition retarding
SunflowerI am new to this list and am about to do my first series of test batches of fuel. I was going to do a few 10ltr batches to check the titration results etc. Now for my Question. What is the issue if the ignition is not retarded 2-3 deg? As I live in Australia and cover many outback Klms where fuel production would not be possible (Thankfully I have 265ltrs on board capacity) I would need to keep the car suitable to run on dinodiesel. Your help gratefully accepted. Neil Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ignition retarding
my mistake injection timing, which on a Diesel is similar to the ignition timing on a petrol. Neil Why would you want to retard the ignition? This is the first I've ever heard of anyone doing this with biodiesel. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ignition retarding
Also, retard the injection timing by 2-3 degrees -- this overcomes the effect of biodiesel's higher cetane number. The engine loses a little of the extra power you get with biodiesel, but it runs quieter and the fuel burns cooler, reducing NOx emissions. (See also NOx emissions and biodiesel.) Neil - Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ignition retarding On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 08:07:32AM +1000, Neil and Adele Craven wrote: my mistake injection timing, which on a Diesel is similar to the ignition timing on a petrol. Neil yes, right - still the same question -- why would you want to do this? Why would you want to retard the ignition? This is the first I've ever heard of anyone doing this with biodiesel. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
