Re: [biofuel] splitting CO2 into carbon and oxygen
Hey Ty, whatever you do, don't give up playing around with electrolosis as you call it. There have been just as many great discoveries made this way as in full blown research. After being on this mail for some time, list I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people out there are trying to clog the system with useless, demoralising, cynical observations, just to discourage legitimate research that could benefit mankind. I ask, are their reasons financial or jealousy. Regards, Terry. tyson rearden wrote: Hey Dana, Thanks for trying to help. I guess I didn't realize till later the way the question was worded. I was playing around with electrolosis and water and was just curious of a similar way to do that with CO2. I wasn't thinking of anything specific. Just to know if it would be usefull. Ty __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/1_Y1qC/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel
Anything is possible but there are still a lot of variables such as, viscosity and acidity of fuel, cleanliness of fuel (must be exceptionally clean), water content, condition of engine, injector pump and injectors. Fuel can be dried as for biod. and to make sure a small quantity of metholated spirits (wood alcohol) can be added to dry the rest of the moisture out. In damp conditions this also works well with petrod. and most other fuels.1 pint metho to 40 gal fuel should be about right. The metholated spirits bonds with and breaks down the water so that it can be burnt and it also stops rust problems at the bottom of tanks. Back to prechambers, most direct injection engines have a prechamber cast or formed in the top of the piston as a cup shaped indentation. This does nearly the same task as the prechambers in the head , but not quite as well. craig reece wrote: Terry, So do you think that Tdi's should be able to run SVO, at least as far as atomization is concerned? Thanks, Craig Reece Terry Day wrote: Atomisation of fuel in a diesel engine is produced by the pressure through the injector and not the swirl in the prechamber. The prechamber is to initiate the flame in a fuel rich atmosphere which then spreads to the rest of the main chamber as a leaner flame. You need more fuel to start a flame than to maintain it.A diesel works by introducing an oil to oxygen which makes an explosion. This is the reason you don't oil gauges or fittings on an oxy-acetylene torch. The oxygen is compressed along with the other gasses in the air when the piston rises on the compression stroke therforo increasing the ability to create an explosion by raising the temperature of the air in the cylinder. Ponder over that, Terry. Neoteric Biofuels wrote: Well, I imagine someone will tell me how some folks in Germany are running around in their TDI's on SVO with nothing more than a fuel heater and it's working...hmmm...so far... snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://us.click.yahoo.com/d49MCB/3WDDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel
Atomisation of fuel in a diesel engine is produced by the pressure through the injector and not the swirl in the prechamber. The prechamber is to initiate the flame in a fuel rich atmosphere which then spreads to the rest of the main chamber as a leaner flame. You need more fuel to start a flame than to maintain it.A diesel works by introducing an oil to oxygen which makes an explosion. This is the reason you don't oil gauges or fittings on an oxy-acetylene torch. The oxygen is compressed along with the other gasses in the air when the piston rises on the compression stroke therforo increasing the ability to create an explosion by raising the temperature of the air in the cylinder. Ponder over that, Terry. Neoteric Biofuels wrote: Well, I imagine someone will tell me how some folks in Germany are running around in their TDI's on SVO with nothing more than a fuel heater and it's working...hmmm...so far... - but direct injection means there is less opportunity for good fuel atomization, since there is not prechamber, swirl chamber, what have you. The prechamber design allows for combustion to begin there and then complete in the main combustion chamber - so injecting a thicker fuel compromises atomization. Computer controlled injection, common rail systems, etc., have compounded the difficulties for use of SVO. It is not impossible, just trickier - and you have to get into modification of the computer controlled injection system, SVO/diesel blending by computer control, changes to injectors, and perhaps other modifications to the engine itself. There is work being done in this area, but SVO straight into an *unmodified* (not adapted to SVO) direct injection engine is not a good idea, even if the fuel is heated it will not act quite the same as petrodiesel. Will it work? Probably. Is it going to cause problems later? Maybe. Do you want to take that chance on an expensive engine like a newer TDI? Not me, as much as I like SVO, I recognize the limitations of it. IMHO, if you can afford a TDI, you can afford the spec. biodiesel to run in it. ...leave the SVO for use (heated, and otherwise with proper methods) in the older IDI engines like 1.6 VW, OM617 Mercedes, or more common (here, anyway) engines like GM 6.2's...you get the idea. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca ( site renovations under way!) From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:49:24 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel Ed, You wrote: Straight vegetable oil (SVO) is ok if very clean, free of water, preheated to ~70 deg C and used in prechamber (indirect injection) engines that are under moderate to full load most of the time, and using the diesel or biodiesel startup/shutdown routine. I've heard conflicting stories about using SVO in Tdi engines. What is it about Tdi's that make them unsuitable for SVO, and do you mean unsuitable even if all the other requirements are met: clean oil, free of water, pre-heated, starting and stopping with diesel or biodiesel? Thanks, Craig Reece Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Clever Cam is a pen sized digital camera, webcam, and mini-camcorder. Just $79.95 at Youcansave.com. http://us.click.yahoo.com/F11sED/NkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
