Re: [Biofuel] [ ] - SPAM Bayesian Re: Methanol Price Increase?
I just sent off a message and I just realized that I got my alcohols mixed up. Water can be reacted with ethylene to form ethanol, not methanol. So I am also at a loss as to why methanol prices would have changed so dramatically. - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [ ] - SPAM Bayesian Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Tom, Yep, you missed it, I used to think it followed natural gas prices too but that is not the case unless there is a significant market lag that causes the price to lag about a year behind. Wellhead Gas prices have gone down considerably since last year. Someone mentioned that there was a force majure (sp) at two plants in India this fall. Tsunami effects?? guessing on this one. Conspiracy theories aside. It may have to do with our free market again since Biodiesel production has taken a sharp increase in the US the additional demand on the market could be the cause. this is often the case with finite supplies introduced to new markets overnight - Prices move up. Jim - Original Message - From: Thomas Kellymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuelmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ooil Plants suited for Eastern Montana
Sun flowers? - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Ooil Plants suited for Eastern Montana Can any one tell me what the best oil plants would be for an area that is home to dry land wheat and winter wheat? I am particularly interested in a seed type that is not Owned by large corporate agriculture and can be raised for seed as well as oil. Thanks Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
The mercury presumably comes from air borne sources as a result of buring coal and evaportion from other sources such as land fills in the mid-west. We as a society use elemental mercury in alot of products such as fluoresent light bulbs, and other electric devices. This contamination of fish throughout the northeast is probably not due to the mercury in the soil in the Catskils, Adirondacks, Green Mountains, White Mountains or Pocanos. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Jason Katie, We have a well. We are surrounded by farm (pasture) land. I guess I take good water for granted. It is, after all, a basic need. I fish in the reservoirs that provide New York City with its drinking water. It is in the beautiful Catskill Mts of New York State. It's ironic that the flooding of valleys to produce clean drinking water for people in a city almost 100 miles away resulted in the release of Mercury from the rotting vegetation so that The water is good to drink they say, but you should limit the amount of fish you eat ... one meal of trout per week; one of smallmouth bass per month. Pregnant woman even less. Tom - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) my family grew up on one well. my grandfather owns all the land around him and us, and we (4 households) are all connected to the same well and pump, and it is straight out of the bedrock, some of the sweetest, clearest, coldest, water i have ever drank, or will probably ever find. the only bad thing about it is the sulfur smell- we could never talk grandpa into buying a pressure tank with a spoon in it. i dont know how much the water actually helped, but as a kid i was only ever sick about once a year (flu season, and no, the flu vaccine didnt help any, so i never bothered after the first one). Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Tom...thanks for this post and especially your concern. I probably shouldn't have said anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have always enjoyed how the distilled water seems to make more pronounced the flavors of coffee, frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and oh yeah, one of my favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 yearneat...two fingers...in the eveningdelicious). Never worry about (or taste) anything between the water and our drink. But then I've always wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad stuff, because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to replace many times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of course, I walk daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in shape in part that way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional westernized doc keep producing healthy results, except I have struggled with cholesterol until the last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy milk, and increased exercise for several months prior to the exam and my cholesterol (the bad stuff) was way down, although the good stuff wasn't high enough for me, but my doc said it was okay. Anyway, I'm going into all this to try and round out a big picture. I know our water is a major piece of our overall health picture and my choices dictate distilled. I don't trust the bottled water stuff. I sure as heck don't trust the tap water. Your speaker's artificially softened water claims don't surprise me at all. I suppose I could go out and buy reverse osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I have to nod to the Bob in me and request the data, the research, the unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really refreshing. But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, thank you for your concern. It means everything to me. I hope you believe me. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Mike, You wrote:
