[Biofuel] Biodiesel or Byproduct Powered Boiler
Hello everyone, I'm involved in a student run project to construct a 400 gallon batch reactor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. We cannot use electricity as a source for our reaction heat, so we have been looking for a product or byproduct fueled boiler to heat water that will pass through a heat exchanger to heat the oil. Does anyone have any recommendations? I came across a product from Agsolutions that claims it can burn a mixture of product and byproduct, the ideal solution for us, but their site does not provide very much information. I also read a few threads in the infopop forum that mention the hazards of burning byproduct. Is our goal feasible? Thanks, -- William Kelleher Sophomore, Electrical Engineering University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080210/94e4d2ae/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Inline Refractometer?
Hey everyone, I'm working with a group that is building a 500 gallon batch reactor. We're trying to implement a continuous wash system with three tanks. Some of the water from the end of the wash in the first tank will be reused in the beginning of the second wash in order to conserve water. The goal is to automate this system...somewhat. I've been toying with the idea of a simple in-line refractometer on the tank drain pipe to try and tell how dirty the wash water is. Basically, I'm thinking about drilling two holes in the walls of the drain pipe, directly across from each other. One hole would have an LED in it, the other would have a photoresistor. Hopefully, the photoresistor would pick up less light when the water is cloudy compared to when it is clear, and the resulting output can be logically controlled to flip some valves. Does anyone think this is possible?? I'm just worried it wouldn't be sensitive enough to tell the difference...or that dirty wash water doesn't refract enough light to actually make this possible. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Will Kelleher ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 450 gal batch reactor
Hey all, I'm looking for a stainless steel chemical reactor that can handle about 450 gallons of oil. Does anyone know where I can find something like this? Thanks, Will K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cold Weather Oil Collection and Other Questions
Hey everyone,I am currently attending the University of Illinois. A student group that I am involved with has recently begun a project to convert all of the used cooking oil from the university food services into biodiesel to power university vehicles. The WVO is currently collected by a company that uses it to make animal feed. As of now, we are operating under the assumption that we will simply take oil from the company's tanks. If our use becomes so great that we collect all the oil, I understand that we will probably have to collect the oil in our own tanks. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cold Weather Collection and Other Questions
Sorry, I hit send before I was finished. As I was saying:We are concerned that it will be difficult to collect the WVO in the winter because it will be solid. The company uses a heating element on the collection trunk, but we'll just be sucking it out with a hose. Does anyone know how we should heat up the WVO in order to extract it? Also, if it becomes necessary to collect the WVO in our own tanks, does anyone have any idea where we could find something like that? Will ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BD use cannot void engine warranty
Hey all,Has anyone ever seen this? http://www.sqbiofuels.com/faq.htm#q6Will ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Zeke,By US manufacturers I was referring to auto manufacturers, not just diesel engines. I have an old Ford with an International engine. I'm sure the fuel system would dissolve after a few months of biodiesel. WillOn 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fuel dealer sound pretty unbiased. not. I had a diesel mechanic tell me that using biodiesel would ruin my injectors due to lack of lubricity... Uhhh?What US manufactures are you asking about specificially? I think Cummins is the only one left? Or is International still a US company? Jeep uses italian engines, and GM uses Isuzu engines in their diesels. On 8/6/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
[Biofuel] Production Trailer
Hello everyone,I'm starting college this August at the University of Illinois. I've been playing around with biodiesel for the past year and now I'm trying to set up a 200 gallon batch reactor. The only problem is, I have nowhere to do it. I've been collecting parts for a couple of months. I already have a great reaction tank and a bunch of 55 gallon drums to use for washing. I have recently started thinking about putting everything on a trailer and just taking it to school with me. I know somebody who has a large parking lot near campus and is willing to let me use a few spaces. Does anyone have any ideas? Will ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
When I was bubble washing a test batch I used a rubber band to tie something heavy to the end of the air house. When I took the hose out a few days later, the rubber band had basically melted. If I have problems with my Ford's fuel system, how difficult would it be to replace myself. I'm fairly handy. On 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about international, but I have a friend running biodiesel in a 1985 GM 6.5 liter diesel, haven't heard of any problems yet. He did have international before that, but it was too hard to work on. glow plugs hidden inside the valve covers or something... My old VW fuel system is rapidly dissolving under B100. Blew two of the injector return lines yesterday afternoon, the rubber is more like sticky black goo now. guess it's time to buy some viton. On 8/7/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke,By US manufacturers I was referring to auto manufacturers, not just diesel engines. I have an old Ford with an International engine. I'm sure the fuel system would dissolve after a few months of biodiesel. WillOn 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fuel dealer sound pretty unbiased. not. I had a diesel mechanic tell me that using biodiesel would ruin my injectors due to lack of lubricity... Uhhh?What US manufactures are you asking about specificially? I think Cummins is the only one left? Or is International still a US company? Jeep uses italian engines, and GM uses Isuzu engines in their diesels. On 8/6/06, Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http
Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?
Why not combine the best of both and create a diesel hybrid? Better city AND highway mileage!On 7/30/06, robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Lowe wrote: I can remember seeing an episode of the English show Top Gear,www.bbc.co.uk/topgear where the consumption of hybrids was mentioned. One of the presenters said that he drove a hybrid from point A to point B and got about40-45 miles/gallon. He subsequently drove a similar sized diesel over the sameroute and got a consumption of about 50-55 miles/gallon. n.b. Figures are frommemory and could be a bit rubbery but the jist of the comment was that currenttechnology diesels can, and do, get better consumption than hybrids. A diesel WILL outperform a gasoline hybrid in overall fuel economy. But when we drive around town, there are times when we're using NO fuel at all, which means we're not putting anything into the air either. We burn NO fuel while sitting at a light. A diesel can't do that. A lot of this discussion is just picking nits, but I'd really like to see MORE hybrids and MORE diesels on the road. It shouldn't be an either / or thing. robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Tom,I originally used stir washing but I had problems with emulsification. Because my test batches were so small, it wasn't too much trouble to just bubble wash them. The product turned out great with zero emulsification. When I move to larger batches I will stir wash to save time. WillOn 6/28/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Will, Why are you still bubble washing? Check out stir-washing at JTF. I just stir-washed 20 gal (76L) of BD. It was a bit stubborn went 4 washes. Started this morning will let final wash (just checked: crystal clear wash water) sit over night. Bubble washing takes days .. not to mention the potential for oxidizing the fuel. Sounds like a commercial, no? Give stir-washing a try. Tom - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Yes, BD destroys rubber. I was bubble washing a test batch a few weeks ago and i used a rubber band to tie a weight to the end of the bubble tube. I removed the rubber band and let it sit in the sink and a few days later it was dissolved! Very funny to see, unless of course it's your fuel line... Will ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Yes, BD destroys rubber. I was bubble washing a test batch a few weeks ago and i used a rubber band to tie a weight to the end of the bubble tube. I removed the rubber band and let it sit in the sink and a few days later it was dissolved! Very funny to see, unless of course it's your fuel line... Will ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Death of US Engineering
Maybe now isn't that best time to get an electrical engineering degree :-/Will KOn 6/23/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Death of US EngineeringBy Paul Craig RobertsThe May payroll jobs report released June 2 by the Bureau of LaborStatistics confirms the jobs pattern for the 21st century US economy:employment growth is limited to domestic services.In May the economy created only 67,000 private sector jobs. Jobestimates for the previous two months were reduced by 37,000.The new jobs are as follows: professional and business services, 27,000;education and health services, 41,000; waitresses and bartenders,10,000. Manufacturing lost 14,000 jobs.Total hours worked in the private sector declined in May.Manufacturing hours worked are 6.6 percent less than when the recoverybegan four and one-half years ago.American economists and policymakers are in denial about the effect ofjobs offshoring on US employment. Corporate lobbyists have purchasedfraudulent studies from economists that claim offshoring results in moreUS employment rather than less. The same lobbyists have spreaddisinformation that the US does not graduate enough engineers and thatthey must import foreigners on work visas.Lobbyists are currently pushing, as part of the immigration bill, anexpansion in annual H-1B work visas from 65,000 to 115,000.The alleged shortage of US engineering graduates is inconsistent withreports from Duke University that 30 to 40 percent of students in itsmaster's of engineering management program accept jobs outside theprofession. About one-third of engineering graduates from MIT go intocareers outside their field. Job outsourcing and work visas for foreignengineers are reducing career opportunities for American engineeringgraduates and, also, reducing salary scales.When employers allege a shortage of engineers, they mean that there is ashortage of American graduates who will work for the low salaries thatforeigners will accept. Americans are simply being forced out of theengineering professions by jobs outsourcing and the importation offoreigners on work visas. Corporate lobbyists and their hired economistsare destroying the American engineering professions.American engineering is also under pressure because corporations havemoved manufacturing offshore. Design, research and development are nowfollowing manufacturing offshore. A country that doesn't make thingsdoesn't need engineers and designers. Corporations that have movedmanufacturing offshore fund RD in the countries where their plants havebeen relocated.Engineering curriculums are demanding. The rewards to the effort arebeing squeezed out by jobs offshoring and work visas. If the currentpolicy continues of substituting foreign engineers for Americanengineers, the profession will die in the US.---Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reaganadministration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journaleditorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He iscoauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] water-fuel system
Hello,I always thought it would be really cool to power an internal combustion engine with hydrogen derived from electrolysis powered by the engine itself, but doesn't it take more energy to split the hydrogen/oxygen that the hydrogen is able to produce when combusted? I guess that's why this particular device requires 20% gasoline fuel. Could that 20% be obtained from solar energy and just pumped into the electrolysis to produce enough hydrogen to run the engine? Also, what if the engine was run on a mix of hydrogen and oxygen? Would that be more powerful? Will KelleherOn 6/25/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.rexresearch.com/teves/teves.htm Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring
Everyone,The only reasonable solution to the energy crisis is solar! It's free and basically infinite. All we have to do is develop some better solar cells and batteries (or those new capacitors that everyone is talking about) to power our electric engines! Will KOn 6/26/06, Mike Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen.Every once in a while we find a post that challenges years of research and discussion and asks everyone to take a giant step back and re-examine ideas on a particular issue long after a consensus has been reached, as if we've missed something. Even though it's discouraging, I would be willing to re-examine an issueif new evidence reveals itself. In fact, I would consider it crucial.But, what's most discouraging is when a forum discusses energy strategy for years, realizes that a comprehensive energy strategy will involvenumerous schemes for renewable energy and biofuels, then finds a post inthat forum that includes a statement to the effect of: The answer is The oil industry has made us dependent on it, even when it's not thebest source of energy for a given application. It has brought men topower who have influenced the highest levels of government to ensure that competitive alternatives are squashed. We've learned that a singleenergy source which fosters a dependence on it due to the exclusivity ofthe raw materials or technologies, provides a substitute for our current dependency on oil. At it's worst, we know that such a dependency bringsto power those who will encourage a government to help them exploit oreven militarily control other countries.Although I keep an open mind toward all energy technologies (including hydrogen), I encourage you not to place all importance on one.-RedlerMike Weaver wrote: You all know perfectly well the answer is Dilithium Crystals.No arguments, please. robert and benita rabello wrote: chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you want to go there in this forum?I'd be laughing if your proposition wasn't so sad. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Tom,I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will KelleherOn 6/18/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L)drumsthat methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[biofuel] Washing technique
I'm looking for an appropriate washing technique based on a 50g oil run. I'm using a 5% H3PO4 initially, then centrifuge and separate off the top layer, then I wash this with water and centrifuge again until I achieve a straw yellow colour. Not sure if a direct contact or spray effect better? How long should be in contact? What are the adverse affects? Should I use warm water/acid mixture. Or the bubbling technique? but is my scale too small for this. Ye're help would be greatly appreciated _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
