Re: [Biofuel] it all comes down to this
Citizen, I only hope Diebold will actually count the votes. Chuck from Chicago - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mariah Dahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ben Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Aaron Speiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sam Awry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nicholas H Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Barbara Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Natan Huffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; brian abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chris Yokum [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lauralee Harner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lucas Madar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harold Flomerfelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; System [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ellen Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bonnie Monroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: [Biofuel] it all comes down to this It is 3:32AM EST in Columbus OH, the polls open in three hours. My team astonished even me last night when we knocked on 535 doors in 5 short hours. we identified nearly 75 more votes last night that we will turn out today. Kennedy won on less than 1 vote in every precinct, we are expecting a minimum of 150 voters in this precinct that are turned out as a result of our efforts. In 17 hours the state of Ohio will have fired George W. Bush. It will have been done on the resolve and spirit of the volunteers who have given up everything to do what is right for our country, and for the world. Those volunteers are powered by the spirits of their loved ones who are only here in their thoughts. Please be with me, as I need all of the strength that I can get. John ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
I've used b10, b20, b30, b50,b80 all approximate percentages and with zero problems in my 96 passat tdi. If you go to www.tdiclub.com you will find many many tdi owners (older and new vehicles) using b100 for years with no problems. Chuck - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI - Original Message - From: m gildow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta TDI. I have read several postings from various chat pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? What does the instruction booklet say? If the factory forbids the use of bio, stick with it. I would like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an addative or straight, but don't want to cause any problems. Well, Mel, ( I just had to do that) from what is my understanding ALL new model european cars are BD friendly since the 80's. I could be a little off on the actual dates but it is a sure thing for recent models, from the info posted here in the past. L. Not true. Opel in his new DI engines forbidds use of bio in any form. New VW models do not tolerate biodiesel also (any form, not even B5) in some engines. We have had a LC Toyota (100 series) with a totally broken IP after only 6.000 km on neat bio (costly repair, 12.000 US). We've been in the EU for a very short time (meaning biofuels are legal now in Slovenija) and have had serious damage on engines. I could go on and on: BMW - no good OBD shuts the engine down, Peugeot - will stop engine, beacuse antiPM chemical injected in the exhaust is not compatible with neat bio, Mercedes - OBD gets all fuzzy, can't recognize the neat bio as a fuel ... I recently learned thet people in Germany, though having neat bio at quite a lot of fuel stations, actually don't drive on it and strongly recommend against. Except for farmers and bus fleets owned by cities, very few people drive on bio. VW alone reported about 20M? spent in repairs on warranted VW cars in 2003 for biodiesel usage related damages. Sooo: not all cars come biodiesel ready. Some need to be ordered biodiesel compliant (BMW, Merc, ...) some don't even have this option. Specially suited are older TDIs, most prechamber engines (modification), most new heavy machinery diesels (some need the obvious hoses and gasket change, CAT for example) and most newer gensets. I'm not having good experiences with my car, and I have certified DIN compliant fuel. And, it's not only the gaskets on the pump shaft, if you're wondering. The whole rotor assembly needed to be renewed, it wasn't very expensive, but this means the fuel is not safe for my car in its neat form. Cheers Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
My 96 Passat TDI, with a performance Upsolute chip installed for fun and power, has never gotten below 33 mpg, no matter how hard and fast I drive it in the city. Hiway is never under 45 mpg. This is an old TDI, the newer pump duece tdi's are even better, many tdi drivers get over 60 mpg on the highway. All in a car that is heavy, strong, durable and safe. Imagine if they made it like Honda and cut out 600 lbs. of weight. Chuck - Original Message - From: murdoch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 2:11 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short In my view, it is long overdue that the EPA should improve its tests to reflect real-world mileage and not their out-of-touch lab work. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Hybrid cars are hot, but not as hot as their owners, who complain that their gas mileage hasn't come close to well-advertised estimates. Don't knock the car companies for inflated claims: Experts say the blame lies with the 19-year-old EPA fuel-efficiency test that overstates hybrid performance. Pete Blackshaw was so excited about getting a hybrid gasoline-electric car that he had his wife videotape the trip to the Honda dealership to pick up his Civic Hybrid. The enthusiastic owner ordered a customized license plate with MO MILES on it, and started a blog about his new hybrid lifestyle. But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati, Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed that the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's Civic Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the city, and 48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly city driving, Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg. I feel like a complete fraud driving around Cincinnati with a license plate that says MO MILES, says Blackshaw, who claims that after 4,000 miles his car has never gotten more than 33 mpg on any trip. The tenor of Blackshaw's blog shifted from adulation to frustration after his Honda dealer confirmed that his car was functioning properly, and that there was nothing he could do. [etc.] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW TDi chip box
I have a 96 Passat TDI that I installed an Upsolute power chip in about 1.5 years ago. Power improvement is startling and fun. Fuel economy has not improved. I think that can only be accomplished under very controlled driving, perhaps keeping the rpm at 2000 where the torque is the highest and engine the most efficient. The chip increases torque by a huge ammount and horsepower by about 15 to 20%. Theoretically one could get better mileage perhaps but in the real world I would say no, especially because of the enjoyment of increased power tends to lure the driver into using it, which means less fuel economy. I have lost about 3 mpg (from 37 to 34 mpg in the city), more from my driving than because of the chip... but then the chip changed my driving style. If you drive very calmly you should have the same fuel economy and quite possibly better since it requres very little pedal to really get moving at low speeds. Maybe the boxes by speed tuning and Van Aken are adjustable so that one could set them to create better efficiency at common and useful rpm ranges and drive accordingly. A ton of information can be found at http://www.tdiclub.com/ on all the chips and tuning boxes since these guys are diesel enthusiasts and gearheads. Chuck - Original Message - From: Busyditch To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: [biofuel] VW TDi chip box Has any member used one of these smart boxes, such as Speed Tuning or Van Aaken or such? Was wondering if they really improve mileage and power. Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] (fwd) Sustainable Energy Coalition's call to action
I agree with your observations about sacrifice. But remember that after 9-11, the run up, and during Iraq the mantra eminating from Bush-Cheney and conservatives that the terrorists will not change American lifestyle or they will have won. The tax break for the 6000 lb. vehicles was an example. The surge in Hummer sales. Using lots of fuel was patriotic, being economical is giving into the terrorists. Chuck - Original Message - From: murdoch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 6:57 AM Subject: [biofuel] (fwd) Sustainable Energy Coalition's call to action On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:42:36 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please support the Sustainable Energy Coalition's call to action asking the U.S. Congress to double federal support for renewable energy and energy efficient technologies. We believe this action, to be delivered to Congress on or about March 31, is deserving of your support. TAKE ACTION NOW! http://www.solaraccess.com/marketplace/compdetail?compid=2425 It is not entirely clear to me what is going on here. This email came as part of solaraccess.com's emails, though not one of their regular ones. It references the Sustainable Energy Coalition, which it says was started in 1992. There is also mention made of solaraccess.com soon changing their name to RenewableEnergyAccess.com in the near future. All that aside, my main concern when I read this was that I wouldn't be signing something which implied endorsement of any overall Horribly-Needlessly-Botched-Energy-Bill in return for making increased Renewable Energy Funding part of that bill. In particular, I've pretty much had it with hearing how Conservation and Renewables Advocates have supposedly needlessly held up an Energy Bill because they can't see how badly it is needed. Of course we see how badly the U.S. needs a good energy bill. That's precisely why we oppose what in our view is the nonsense that's been put forth. It's not close to being what we could and should have. But I don't think so far it looks like anything other than what it says, which is just a call that our Reps and Sens. here in the states get behind renewable energy. I vote, so I'm going to go see about filling out the web form. I realize there are many from not in the U.S. who read these international discussion forums who may or may not want to hear about these U.S. political matters, so I have tried an experiment of pre-labeling the post. Anyway, lastly, I was watching a major news anchor broadcast from Iraq the other day. It may have been Peter Jennings or Dan Rather, I can't recall. They emphasized something that stuck with me a little. In discussions with the troops, they said that the issue had come up a bit that, regardless of what civilians thought of the debates over the rationale for the war and battlefront-choices, they wanted to know that they, as soldiers, were supported, and they questioned whether folks at home in the U.S. were being asked to make sacrifices and making them, as they were making sacrifices. That seemed like a fair question to me, if I were in their position, and I think the answer in part is: If we are to look at the relatively narrow area of energy policy. those of us who are non-combattants can probably do a small bit to make some personal sacrifices that are conistent with efforts to improve the world, whether we agree with this or that President or politician on the precise best way to handle world affairs. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on
Re: [biofuel] Mark's letter to the CDFA
Great letter, should use a spell checker though. Thanks Chuck - Original Message - From: girl Mark To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: [biofuel] Mark's letter to the CDFA The CDFA/DMS public comment period deadline (about the biodiesel-negative warning labeling)is tomorrow, though they will read anything they get by mail till the 20th (send in letters...) Here's my longwinded rebuttal to some of their concerns about biodiesel standards. Mark Dear sirs, My name is Maria Alovert and I am a biodiesel user and an auto mechanic. I spend a lot of my time volunteering in programs which educate consumers of B100 about the differences between petroleum diesel and biodiesel, and as a mechanic, have advised consumers on proper use of B100 and associated issues. I have in the past spent some time lobbying NAFT Gas in Fairfax to carry B100, and agree with the CDFA/DMS that good labeling will avert unexpected problems for consumers. However, I do not believe that the labeling as currently proposed will meet this need without causing the biodiesel industry and retailers serious damage in the rate of public acceptance. I believe that this is the opposite of what the CDFA proposals intend. I urge that these proposals be put to a new round of public input and study. I have studied the ASTM standards for petroleum diesel and for B100 extensively, and am concerned that requiring the D-975 standard for biodiesel blends is an unnecessary requirement that is impossible to meet. I believe this will have the effect of discouraging biodiesel use and more particularly of discouraging biodiesel retailing, which will set a large barrier to public acceptance. It has been brought to my attention that some of these changes came about as a result of commentary by Chevron Products Company. I have copied parts of their testimony below and wish to offer a rebuttal to some of their concerns: Quote: CHEVRON PRODUCTS COMPANY'S COMMENTS ON DFA'S PROPOSED AMENDED REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN TITLE 4, DIVISION 9, ARTICLE 5 Chevron Products Company (Chevron) is in agreement with the changes proposed for Sections 4140, 4145 and 4146. Our remaining comments are confined to the sections dealing with biodiesel fuel. Section 4147 (a): This statement suggests that biodiesel as a 100% pure fuel is okay if it meets ASTM D 6751. The title of ASTM D 6751 has the words Blend Stock. This specification is intended to give the requirements for biodiesel as a blend component in a final blend meeting ASTM D 975. The specification does not give ASTM approval for the 100% biodiesel as a diesel fuel (nor does it disapprove). Pure biodiesel does not meet ASTM D 975, which is the requirement for diesel fuels in ASTM. So this statement appears to be inconsistent with ASTM's intent and with Section 4147 (b). End quote The ASTM D-6751 specification never states at which percentage blend, a blend of biodiesel and petroleum diesel becomes problematic due to not meeting D-975. By inference, it would seem that a blend of 99% biodiesel and 1% petroleum diesel meets the intent of ASTM in offering a specification for B100 as blendstock, or ASTM would have indicated at which blend level the specification no longer applies. Additionaly, the ASTM D-6751 is similar to the European specifications, and there has been longterm B100 use in some countries in the EU which has not led to the problems that Chevron may be concerned about. It is also the interpretation of the EPA and of the biodiesel industry, as well as some vehicle manufacturers, that ASTM D-6751 biodiesel fuel is a satisfactory on-road motor fuel up to B100. The ASTM standards are decided in a lengthy process of study which takes many years to complete. I trust that the ASTM committee did not find anything objectionable in high-level blends up to B100, or else this information would have been included in the carefully written ASTM D-6751 standard. I am concerned that the CDFA may in effect overturn the decisions of the ASTM standards committee by requiring that biodiesel blends meet ASTM D-975, with only minimum public comment period lasting a few weeks. I am deeply concerned that this may affect biodiesel acceptance and affect the biodiesel industry in California, and I am further concerned that these state standards may be adopted by other states which follow California's regulations. It is physically impossible for biodiesel to meet D-975 because D-975 describes a chemically different fuel than biodiesel does. If astm D-7651 B100 is satisfactory as a blendstock, and petroleum diesel fuel ASTM D-975 is satisfactory as a blendstock, I am concerned that one specification should be made to override the other in our state requirements without sufficient
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Car is no EV
During the Clinton admin, Al Gore headed a commision to make super efficient cars with the size of a 4 door Tarus, same safety, power, comfort but must get a required 70 mpg. They gave the big 3 automakers 1 billion dollars total to create the required cars, they all took the over 300 million each and actually acheived the goals in 1998 or 1999. Every company made the requirements using tdi diesel electric hybrids! When Bush took office they all shelved the designs claiming that Americans want SUV's. The prototypes are still here, under wraps not even presented to the public but our billion dollar investment is gone. These machines could run on biodiesel from waste oil and we could extract ourselves from the mideast qWagmire. Chuck - Original Message - From: murdoch To: Doug Korthof Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Car is no EV But clearly, EVs and the mission for which they were designed are a match, and needed. Bio-Diesel, and its application, may be cleaner, and all that, but it's not going to allow you to drive OIL-FREE! Doug For my money, diesel engines have a couple of points in their favor. An owner of a diesel engine can more readily work to use waste resources for his fuel than the owner of a gasoline engine (i.e., pure biodiesel, either from waste or fresh biomatter, can be used in a diesel engine without too much to-do this is not so easy with a gasoline engine). Use of biodiesel, when waste is incorporated, amounts to recycling of waste. Waste grease or oil might be used in the chemical industry, it might be dumped in a landfill and generate methane (a very bad global warming gas), or it might, from what I'm told, ultimately be purchased in party by the petrochemical industry (because apparently they can figure out the value of it). If some of us advocate grid-chargeable hybrids, then I think it would be nice to see folks working on those hybrids to include diesel generators rather than gasoline generators. This would allow purchasers of those hybrids to have an added measure of choice in getting away from their oil dependency. Since getting away from such dependency is a top motivation of many of us, that's why I'd like to see this. This doesn't mean for a second that I drop my advocacy of BEVs as a viable and top technology. But my opinion is that biodiesel powered grid chargeable hybrids could be and will be a part of our future, whether Exxon-Mobil likes it or not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
