Re: [biofuel] Ethanol Plant Polluters?
Harmon, The smell is like Milwaukee used to be during the summer, not pleasant, but not unbearable. In some areas of Wisconsin the effluent can be sprayed back on farmers fields (with a permit). On the big plants, they want the effluent to have contaminants taken out. Craig Green Bay - Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bio fuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol Plant Polluters? Some people trying to start an ethanol plant near Oshkosh, WI are running into pretty stiff opposition from local residents, city council, chamber of commerce, etc. Their main arguements are that those of odor, impact on ground water, and quality of life. Frankly, knowing the local scene quite well, I suspect that the problem is more that the right palms didn't get greased, but whatever. Can anyone point me to any documentation on air or water pollution from ethanol plants? I know the neighbors of the one in St. Paul, MN have complained of odor, but that's an old converted brewery, and I would assume that any new plant would be more well designed -- after all, ethanol escaping into the air is lost money, likewise CO2 lost into the air in the brewing process is lost money, so where does the odor come from? And, even so, is it any more of a problem than with beer breweries? I've never heard any complaints about them (and we have a *lot* of beer breweries in WI). -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO cogneration update...help!!!!!!
Dana, The Wall Street Journal also publishes (daily) electricity prices. Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Glycol
New method of making glycol from ethanol at www.news.wisc.edu/view.html?get=6810. Process uses hydrogen with a copper catalyst. Craig We support environmentally friendly advertising. Green Bay (920) 434-4555 Appleton (920) 731-9292 1-800-985-9000 email Free shopping coupons from AmeriCoupons.com To be removed from future mailings simply reply to this message with Remove in the subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO cogneration update...help!!!!!!
Dana, Lowest price I have seen for a renewable power contract is 5.6 cents per kwh - that was for constant power, not peak shaving. If you can get 7 cents or more, you should be in good shape. Bring your process over here to Wisconsin - utilities are required to purchase a certain percentage of their power from renewables. Last summer there was a major problem because wind power does not work well over here (they are only getting 22 percent utilization). Start with Alliant Energy - they had the biggest problem. Craig Green Bay Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO business opportunity??? Power generation
Dana, A web search will show hundreds of sites with used gensets. Concentrate on companies that can use the heat for their process (cogeneration) - it will cut costs dramatically. You could probably use some of the heat for BioD production. I don't know where you are from, but some states (Wisconsin is one) REQUIRE a certain amount of electricity be generated from renewables, thus commanding a higher price. Another fuel to be considered is ethanol. I can't understand why ethanol plants do not do this themselves. Craig Anyone know of a good source for new or slightly used diesel gensets? Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send FREE Holiday eCards from Yahoo! Greetings. http://us.click.yahoo.com/IgTaHA/ZQdDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: VITA Request: Rice husk fuel
See website of a company called BC International (www.bcintlcorp.com). Sounds like they might be able to help. - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Fw: VITA Request: Rice husk fuel -Original Message- From: Bienvenido Sarria [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: information request November 13, 2001 To Whom It May Concern: My name is Bienvenido Sarria, I am a professor and researcher at the Center of Energy and Environmental Studies, at the University of Cienfuegos, Cuba. Our center is responsible for the development and implementation of alternative technologies in the area of energy and management in rural areas of the country taking into consideration the characteristics of the area and its natural resources. In various parts of our country we have several kinds of biomass available to use as a energy source for different process and the communities. Recently, we were given a task to develop a Pilot Plant to burn rice husk using Fluidized Beds technology. The intention is to use the rice husk available in the area to reduce the consumption of conventional fuels in the drying process of the rice and to produce electrical energy for the community where the rice plantations are located. Besides reducing the environmental impact this will also increase the employment positions available and will improve the living conditions of the area. This technology could be introduced in several communities in Cuba and Latin America where the biomass from agricultural crops are widely available, e.g. wood chips, sugar cane bagasse, among others. During the literature review we found that your organization, VITA, is a non-profit organization that support people working on technical problems in developing countries called VITA. From VITA webpage we understand that it offers information and assistance aimed at helping individuals and groups to select and implement technologies appropriate to their situations. Since we work in the area of energy and management we would like to know: Is there a possibility to have access to some relevant information for this specific project? Is there a possibility to have some financial support to develop this technology? Should we refer to some other person and/or organizations? Sincerely, Bienvenido Sarria _ Dr. Bienvenido Sarria CEEMA, University of Cienfuegos CUBA, CP 59430 ___ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicacin instantnea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es --- Request Posted: vwww.vita.org/inquiry/ Volunteers in Technical Assistance Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol
Does anyone know where to purchase and costs for: 1. A mole sieve 2. A dryer for making distiller's grains For a small (45 gallon per hour) plant. Thanks, Craig We support environmentally friendly advertising. Green Bay (920) 434-4555 Appleton (920) 731-9292 1-800-985-9000 email Free shopping coupons from AmeriCoupons.com To be removed from future mailings simply reply to this message with Remove in the subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol recovery ???
See the systems at www.resciences.com. If you do enough volume, they should work well. Craig How do most of you , that recover there methanol or ethanol do it ??? If you use a vacuum pump, where do you get one , and how do you set it up how much can be recovered from the glycerine ,or can one recover the Methanol from the entire BD batch , after the BD has been formed ??? any help would be goodmany thanks Martin R. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol Plant for Sale
If anyone is interested, I know where a plant is that is for sale. It is designed to make about 4 mm gallons of ethanol per year. Price is $4.5 mm (US$). It is located in central Wisconsin. The seller is willing to listen to all reasonable offers. The plant had made ethanol, but is not now currently producing. Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 920-494-9201 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Waste Veggie Oil Disposal Problem
Great article in yesterday's Wall Street Journal about waste veggie oil. Price is so low, companies are dumping it down sewers. Cost to remove / clean sewers is enormous. Should be more than enough for biodiesel, and it helps clean up another problem as well. Looking forward to seeing more work on glycerin for dehydrating ethanol. Keep up the good work! Craig Green Bay, WI We support environmentally friendly advertising. Green Bay (920) 434-4555 Appleton (920) 731-9292 1-800-985-9000 email Free shopping coupons from AmeriCoupons.com To be removed from future mailings simply reply to this message with Remove in the subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol Distillation
I have been looking at a product for distilling ethanol (a solvent recovery unit) and am not enough of an engineer to tell if it will work - the salesman assures me it will. See the unit at www.rescience.com. His name is Tome Graves ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Can any of you people tell me more? If it does what they say it will, it is a HUGE leap forward. He says someone is using it to make ethanol for mixing biofuel. Craig Green Bay, WI We support environmentally friendly advertising. Green Bay (920) 434-4555 Appleton (920) 731-9292 1-800-985-9000 email Free shopping coupons from AmeriCoupons.com To be removed from future mailings simply reply to this message with Remove in the subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Dewatering Ethanol
Has anyone tried using a fuel dewatering system from a diesel truck for ethanol production? The one I am looking at has 10 micron capacity. Craig We support environmentally friendly advertising. Green Bay (920) 434-4555 Appleton (920) 731-9292 1-800-985-9000 email Free shopping coupons from AmeriCoupons.com To be removed from future mailings simply reply to this message with Remove in the subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrogen booster (cfr Digest Number 242)
Pardon my lack of chemistry knowledge, but could this process be used to dry ethanol? Craig - Original Message - From: Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel egroup biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:24 AM Subject: [biofuel] hydrogen booster (cfr Digest Number 242) Message: 20 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:56:46 - From: Sam Dabbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hydrogen Booster snip ...Anyway, I made two units out of 2 1/2 pvc pipe (as opposed to one 4 as some use)with a test cap glued on the bottom and a cleanout glued on the top of both... pray sam, what are a 'test cap', and a 'cleanout' ? snip ...output of the boosters together and then went with line to a bubbler to act as a filter made out of a 20 oz pepsi-cola bottle.Then out of the bottle with another line an into the breather to a fitting located directly above the carburetor throat. Some folks use a pump to pump the oxygen/hydrogen into the breather, but to me that is a waste of time and trouble. The vacuum at carb is more than sufficient to pull everything out and into the motor. The bubbler I mention is filled halfway with distilled water. I don't know anybody else doing that, but it serves a dual purpose for me. I can make sure nothing but the gases that I want go to the engine and the bubbler is fun and exciting to watch while it is chugging away. You can see how your reaction is going without having to uncap and take a peek... q one: could the gases be run into a tee and input through the vacuum line inlet of the carburetor ? q two: mother earth news published info on a water/alcohol 'bubbler based on 'wet' micro bubbles originating in a fishtank air stone inside a bottle filled with water/alcohol (3:1 or so), and entering the carb via the vacuum line inlet tube. men claimed a 6% boost in mileage. could an air stone be used in the entry line of your 'bubler' to further increase efficiency ? q three: where would you place entry orifice in a fuel injected ice ? q four: any reason this wouldn't work on a diesel cycle ice ? snip ...So far the best electrode material has been stainless steel. Stainless steel butter knives to be exact. These will have less corrosion. Corrosion of electrodes was the first thing noticed with other metals such as galvanized steel, aluminum and brass q one: approximate surface area of the electrode in the electrolyte ? any idea what type ss alloy (18/8 - now 314 - maybe) ? width to length ratio of the electrode in the electrolyte ? q two: ever try carbon rods for electrodes, like brian fullerton's dad did in his school experiments ? (message 24 digest # 242) ? snip ...Battery drain on the charging system was a problem at first. Then I tried a solar battery maintainer which helped and then ultimately went to a separate dedicated alternator with a built in voltage regulator of course. Then to its own small motorcycle battery and to the boost. Solved that problem. q one: we're looking at a max of 50 watts continuous, right ? (4 a. x ~12 v.). did this put a strain on your factory installed alternator ? did you consider going to a bigger, heavy duty alternator, instead of the two alternator set-up you mention ? snip ...As for electrolytes, many were tried. All using distilled water and... But the best so far was baking soda and distilled water. q one: how much baking soda ? (weight per volume of distilled water) snip Message: 24 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:44:30 -0800 From: Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hydrogen Booster snip ...and did some experiments on my own using a couple of car batteries and some aluminum. I found that I could cut aluminum under water. The side effect of the arcing under water produces masses of hydrogen! Absolutely TONS of it in comparison to straight electrolysis alone. q one: sounds very promising, how did you actually go about 'cutting' aluminum under water ? what sort of amps x volts were you using ? was this just water, or was it some sort of electrolyte ? snip ...Water it seems does not conduct electricity all that well, so close proximation of the electrodes really helps.. So I placed them really close together but then discovered that the resulting bubbles effectively decreased the surface area dramatically diminishing the effect... q one: did you try other electrolytes besides plain water ? any improvement ? regards to one and all, may the new 'round-the-sun' cycle bring a bit more peace to humanity. dick. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
