[biofuel] Re: Smithfield to Convert Hog Waste Into Fuel
-Must be something new where a methane rich source is converted to and oil. gaw -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smithfield to Convert Hog Waste Into Fuel By REUTERS HICAGO, Feb. 21 (Reuters) - Smithfield Foods Inc., the pork producer, said today that it would build a $20 million site in Utah that would use waste from 500,000 hogs to make biodiesel, a renewable fuel for vehicles. Biodiesel can be made from any fat including vegetable oil and used cooking oil. About 15 million gallons were used in the United States last year. Smithfield said it would be the major partner in BEST BioFuel, a partnership that will build the plant at Smithfield-owned swine production sites near Milford, Utah. Livestock waste can be a source of clean, renewable vehicle fuel, said Robert F. Urell, a Smithfield senior vice president. Construction is scheduled to start in April on the new site, pending final approval of a conditional use permit and a permit from the Utah Department of Environmental Quality. Smithfield's Utah swine operation produces about one million market hogs a year, and the biodiesel project will use the waste from about half of those hogs, the company said. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] used military engines/diesel
a few years back I purchased crate engine from a dealer of surplus military supplies for a large front end loader which one of my help had destroyed. The engine hour meter showed 8 hours which we thought to be faulty at best as surely the engine had been removed from something and crated up to be returned for overhaul. Well guess what? That engine is running as we speak and uses no oil and could not be better in any manner. That does not mean that all the us gov sells is good as I have seen another engine in a box that was in pieces when the seals were removed. thanks gaw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: One man's solution: was Mass Production
I know you did not direct this to me but if you have a webpage dealing with underground greenhouses I would truly appreciate the info. thanks gaw-- - In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris, Have you ever tried underground greenhouses? These retain heat much better than conventional greenhouses that are entirely above ground level, staying warm enough to keep crops growing through even the coldest winters of the contiguous 48 states. They are also cheaper to build than conventional greenhouses. Christopher Witmer Tokyo Kris Book wrote: My wife and I want to see a commercial greenhouse on every vacant lot, parking lot of every church, school, hospital, and in every neighborhood in the world. With the right backing, organic greenhouse farming combined with aquaculture can become a top ten franchise. Well, I'm out of time again, duty calls. When you get a few minutes to spare, please drop me a line with your thoughts on these subjects. I would appreciate it, if you will pass this letter on to anyone that you think may be interested in talking about my system. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/7dY7FD/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanal subsidies and transportation
Hey Keith, am I wrong in supposing that if the finished product were so expensive because it had to be hauled by truck that it would then be much cheaper to carry the alchol by tank car where an entire train could be made up of just tankers filled with the entire product. Or better yet, if they can pump crude through these pipelines, why not make a slurry of corn and water and pump it from Iowa to California and make the alcohol at the refinery? Just a thought. thanks gaw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/7dY7FD/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] off subject
I am not one to complain as a rule but really Keith can't we call a halt to all the you said, I said nonsense? I truly enjoy a good debate on a relevant subject when the debators seem to have an adequate grasp of the information needed to continue, but at the moment the entire site seems dominated with pure unadulerated horse shit. Pardon my french but it gets boring and very distracting. thanks gaw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/wlyPtD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] smokestacks and such
Hey Keith, it has been a while since I have complimented you on you tenacity and the the depth of your knowledge(files) and of course your ability to tear apart some with certainly a misguided thought. And to top that I am very glad that I have never had the temerity to interject a foolish argument such as happened the past two days by one of two members even though I have never had such thoughts. But the fact is you are right and my hat is off to you even though it may cause an intense solar reflection to pass before you. Go get em, gaw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol
Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a whitson- -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent 1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it? Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines -- Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Diesel Roto-tiller...
You can always use those small diesel powered tractors like Kubota, and I believe there about a dozen others with a tiller on the back. I have used one for over ten years and they work great. gaw-- - In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry no I don't. I have been looking around my self. If you hear of one, could you let me know? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 18:20 Subject: [biofuel] Diesel Roto-tiller... Anyone know of a US manufacturer or distributor of a diesel powered roto-tiller of healthy capacity? No luck on internet searches as of yet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: generator (what size motor?)
- You did not mention how you intend to connect the motor to the generator but you might consider a vbelt and pulley setup where you could change the pulleys to get into the power range of whatever enging you decide upon and still maintain the 1500 rpm needed. Just a thought. gaw- - In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Justin Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I have just aquired a 11KVA alternator. I now need an engine to turn the alternator. I would like to use a petrol engine. BUT there are several problems(so I can change it over to ethenol when every thing is working :) ). The engine must run at 1500 rpm. From what I have gathered there is not much power available from a petrol engine at this rpm. I have spent several hours looking on the internet for power curves for 1.6L to 3L engines but have not been not been succesful. I would probably need about 17KW brake power at 1500rpm if I want to change it to ethanol. I was thinking of using an old MBenze engine(220 or so). Any advice would be welcomed... cheers Justin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: new member
- Just for the sake of conversation, what does an engine such as this cost? gaw -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep us all about your success and, in the mean time, we all look for a 1985 V W Jetta to buy. - Original Message - From: menny redf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: [biofuel] new member I just bought a 1985 VW Jetta diesel with the intent on converting it to bio-fuel __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Warren Still Design
I was sadly disappointed at the time I put together the warren still, yet after several emails and reading all posted about the unit I not only built one unit, I cut and was fitting the second unit as suggested by the author, as I tested the first. Since that time I have built every unit on the web where I can get plans, including the nixon stone unit, which by the way is a nice small unit. I mean small in production. If you are making product for your own use exclusively the output is sufficient and the purity is high, but. Due to unforseen medical problems I have not been able to finish converting my boiler from gas to electricity, and have therefor not finished testing a modular design of the plate still in four inch by five inch configuration. The initial test ran a small batch at 95 per cent, and as I am trying to build this as a continuous unit, I have the initial plumbing done, just not the controllers and thermostats to complete the package. thanks gaw -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello gaw The only part I am interested in is the automatic control. What kind of control was it? Where was it installed? Where was the sensor probe placed? I am working on building a fuel grade still and would be distilling larger volumes of wort. Wouldn't want to have to baby sit my still. Any help would be appreciated George It's the first one on the list, the Penn Bradshaw, though I guess the other two would work just as well: Automatic temperature control valves http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#valve The sensor's near the top of the reflux section. But this is a crude way of doing it. If you haven't already done so I suggest you have a look at Mike Nixon and Mike McCaw's The Compleat Distiller: http://www.amphora- society.com/The_Compleat_Distiller/the_compleat_dis tiller.html And at Tony Ackland's excellent site: http://homedistiller.org I'm very glad that Gaw's Charles 803 hasn't blown up. There were also other problems. One was that some people paid their money but never received any plans, their emails went unanswered and so on. Another was the steadily rising price for both plans and the valve - the second especially was unreasonably more than the cost from the supplier (not divulged, but that's the one, above). Other problems were that the list of materials was wrong (you'd be buying parts you didn't need, and not buying parts you did need) and didn't fit either the plans (which were not very clear at all) or the building instructions, which were also wrong, in quite a few ways, and very confused. I don't know how Gaw managed to build his still, must be because he has a lot of experience. I don't know of anyone else who succeeded, maybe nobody did. And Gaw's doesn't work as claimed, which is definitely not Gaw's fault but because it's a bad design. It's a dead end, a waste of time, junk. And a pollution of mailing lists. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith is right about the fact you should not waste your time with the Warren still. I bought the plans and built the unit and it does not perform as it is claimed. It is also very expensive to build in comparison with other units available off the web. I do however disagree with the unsafe part of the denial. I found nothing more or less unsafe about the unit, it was just extremely slow for the cost and did not reach the purity as claime or which I needed. thanks gaw- -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith A few days back someone posted a message that said that a Robert Warren had still design plans for sale and to check out your Journeys to Forevers web site. The article was under the name .../ethanol robert1.html. I have searched your site for Robert Warren and all combinations theirof. The message didn't have an email address, phone number or a mail address to contact Mr Warren at. Could you tell me how to contact Mr Warren to purchase the plans for his still. Thanks George Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Warren Still Design
Keith is right about the fact you should not waste your time with the Warren still. I bought the plans and built the unit and it does not perform as it is claimed. It is also very expensive to build in comparison with other units available off the web. I do however disagree with the unsafe part of the denial. I found nothing more or less unsafe about the unit, it was just extremely slow for the cost and did not reach the purity as claime or which I needed. thanks gaw- -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith A few days back someone posted a message that said that a Robert Warren had still design plans for sale and to check out your Journeys to Forevers web site. The article was under the name .../ethanol robert1.html. I have searched your site for Robert Warren and all combinations theirof. The message didn't have an email address, phone number or a mail address to contact Mr Warren at. Could you tell me how to contact Mr Warren to purchase the plans for his still. Thanks George -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] waste motor oil
In 1990 in the Salt Lake City Basin, Yellow Freight had almost two million gallons of underground diesel storage. Some one turned them in to the Environmental Control District for dumping the used motor oil into the underground tanks with only a rough screening to block large debris from entering as well. They were mixing the used oil fifty-fifty and it burned well. We (me) were in the service industry at that time one hundred miles from their terminal and noticed while doing work on the different vehicles the amount of oil around and about the fuel tanks and asked several driver about this. The long and the short of this story is they had to stop direct mixing and sent the oil to another faciility for additional treatment which non of the drivers knew of, but the used oil from 150 larged trucks with the average being 13 gallons was mixed and burned very well by a large company trying to cut costs. thanks gaw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
