Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about. -D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
all that's required? Filtering what, I wonder, little bits of engine that get worn off? Isn't that what the oil is supposed to prevent? By the time it needs changing, isn't the oil itself somewhat worn out, having been subjected to all that heat and high pressure? Just asking. Regards Keith Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] [7] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org [10]/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm [11] IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about. -D From: C Pinelli To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org [13] Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org [14] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel [15] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html [16] Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org [17]/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120124/a0a047c9/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
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that can accomodate the increased stuff filtered from the newer, higher mileage synthetic oils. -These additives and filters do not remove the metals, including dangerous heavy metal, that contaminate the oil. If they did, analysis for them in the oil would be of little diagnostic value. Tom Hi Zeke Is filtering all that's required? Filtering what, I wonder, little bits of engine that get worn off? Isn't that what the oil is supposed to prevent? By the time it needs changing, isn't the oil itself somewhat worn out, having been subjected to all that heat and high pressure? Just asking. Regards Keith Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] [7] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org [10]/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm [11] IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about. -D From: C Pinelli To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org [13] Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list
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Used motor oil contains metals, including dangerous heavy metals. Because of the presence of heavy metal contaminants there are often restrictions on the burning of WMO in residential heating systems in countries that have air quality regulations. Filtering of waste motor oil, I hope, would include a away to remove the metals, before recycling it. While non-synthetic motor oil does experience thermal breakdown, synthetic motor oil does not. Is recycling only done on synthetic motor oil? Notes: -Samples of used motor oil can be analysed. The presence/concentrations of metal contaminants can help determine wear to specific engine parts. This can be useful to companies, ex. bus companies, that have fleets of vehicles, in determining maintenance schedules and replacement of parts. -The company that delivers methanol to me provides this service (analysis of used motor oil). Their representative explained to me that motor oil contains additives including cleansers that effectively bind microparticles (soot) together so the filter(s) are better able to remove them. In the case of synthetic motor oil the oil itself is still good, and the reason to change the oil is that the cleansers have been removed. The difference between synthetic motor oils that must be changed every 8 or 9 thousand miles and those newer ones that are good for 15,000 miles is the amount of additives put in. There are filters available that can accomodate the increased stuff filtered from the newer, higher mileage synthetic oils. -These additives and filters do not remove the metals, including dangerous heavy metal, that contaminate the oil. If they did, analysis for them in the oil would be of little diagnostic value. Tom Hi Zeke Is filtering all that's required? Filtering what, I wonder, little bits of engine that get worn off? Isn't that what the oil is supposed to prevent? By the time it needs changing, isn't the oil itself somewhat worn out, having been subjected to all that heat and high pressure? Just asking. Regards Keith Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Hello Keith and all. I can answer that question. A few years back I visited a company recycling engine oil and they managed to remove the inorganic content (water, metals, old additives etc) from the oil ending up with a clear and bright base oil which was analyzed as such (viscosity etc) and then sold back to the lubricant manufacturers as base oil. It seems that the base oil is very stable but this recycling should not be possible for indefinite time, since nature has its course, eventually cracking the oil into different other products. It´s a way of prolonging the life of the petro industry. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Zeke Is filtering all that's required? Filtering what, I wonder, little bits of engine that get worn off? Isn't that what the oil is supposed to prevent? By the time it needs changing, isn't the oil itself somewhat worn out, having been subjected to all that heat and high pressure? Just asking. Regards Keith Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
This is something I've also been wondering about. -D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120120/43ebf1e7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120121/6830f46c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hello C Pinelli et al. The lubricant industry is not very interested in bringing in new raw materials (e.g. vegetable oils and/or derivates) since there are standards on the final lubricants that have to be met. Taking in new materials may make it necessary to formulate new standards, which is a time-consuming and costly process, however not carrying that new standards is equal to lack of quality. In contrast to the petro fuel industry, the lubricant industry was awake concerning EU regulation proposals and managed to stop a proposal similar to the one on the fuel , demanding a certain amount of renewable material of the total sales. Instead came an EU regulation regarding special labelling of renewable lubricants in the EU, which they have to apply to get. I have seen nothing of this labelling out in the shops so far, and this regulation is since 2004 or 2005. So, similar to the biodesel industry, it takes new actors on the market to make it happen. With financial strength and patience, of course. I have developed a nice vegetable based two-stroke oil (which is among the most difficult to formulate, due to the high working temperatures) which is still pending for market introduction. So there it is. Any comments ? With best to everybody Jan W - Original Message - From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120120/43ebf1e7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120121/3bfd0dc1/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Thanks everyone for the input. Though it's unfortunate that there seems to be no DIY solution for lubrication, I think It'll give me something to tinker with over the next couple of months. Thanks Chris Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:11:29 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Hello Jan - thanks, that makes good sense. Regards Keith Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Thanks everyone for the input. Though it's unfortunate that there seems to be no DIY solution for lubrication, I think It'll give me something to tinker with over the next couple of months. Good luck Chris - let us know how you get on. All best Keith Thanks Chris Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:11:29 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Hi Zeke Is filtering all that's required? Filtering what, I wonder, little bits of engine that get worn off? Isn't that what the oil is supposed to prevent? By the time it needs changing, isn't the oil itself somewhat worn out, having been subjected to all that heat and high pressure? Just asking. Regards Keith Bio based, no... but I have seen, in the last few months, introduction of a whole line of recycled engine oils in the local auto parts stores here. I'm not really sure what the recycled content is percentage wise, but apparently it's using old engine oil, filtering all the bad stuff out, and adding back in the additives that have been used up. It's supposed to meet the same standards as new petro-based engine oil. Z On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith et al. I am not surprised on the market non-introduction of castor oil lubricants. Castor oil, although a classic, is not ideal as a raw material for lubricant formulations. The castor oil has two hydroxyl groups on the fatty acid (ricinic acid) chain which will want to polymerize and releasing water into the system, giving the lubricant an unnecessary short life. What attracts the lubricant inventors is the high viscosity and the expected high viscosity index of the oil which both looks promising enough. But I would prefer a more stable material to start with and then adjusting the viscosity values chemically. A good lubricant consist from a base oil and then added a number of additives in order to adjust the properties of the lubricant. It is then preferable to bring as favourable properties already in the base oil in order to minimize the addition of additives. Best to you all Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi Chris and Dawie The answer seems to be No. Sorry to say. It was first discussed here in 2001. Lots of interesting stuff in the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Try bio engine oil or biolubricant. (Don't forget, the whole thread is hotlinked at the end of each find.) If you do a web search, you'll find lots of talk, lots of products that are simply biodegradeable, green lubricants to replace the likes of WD-40 or 2-stroke oil, and a few commercial bio engine oils, with claims that they're made from renewable resources but they don't say what, or they're a marriage of renewables (pig fat) and nano-tech, or whatever, but nothing DIYable. I knew some people in Japan who were making bio engine oil from castor oil. They wouldn't tell me how they were doing it, but they gave me a bottle of it. Clear, light yellow, sort of oily smell. But after a while it started degrading, whisps of cloudiness started appearing. Not perfect, and they never brought a product to market. Still, castor oil is probably the best bet. It's strange stuff - give this a read: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm IIRC Brazil's Petrobras had plans for producing castor oil-based engine oil, but I can't find any details. HTH, and good luck - best Keith This is something I've also been wondering about.-D From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012, 1:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bio Engine Oil
Hi all. I'm still new to biofuels but have been making biodiesel and ethanol for my vehicles for a few months now and am thrilled with it. However, I can't stand filling up my gas tank with home made, environmentally friendly fuel, then changing the oil with expensive petroleum. So, I have been doing some research into making Bio-Engine Oil, it seems possible which makes me very enthusiastic. Does anybody know anything about making vegetable based motor oil? Or does anybody have any experience with using it? Thanks very much Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120120/43ebf1e7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
