Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
Greetings, I have some, but they are over 10 years old. The Literacy Volunteers of America will have them, or can get them. The directors use them for writing fund raising proposals and for raising awareness. Actually, anyone directly involved in literacy will have them. The Bedias literacy council is too small to afford to replace the ones we have, but I could find my old ones if they would help. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:17 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: Kim, where do I find such maps? I have tried Google, but, ended up with world maps, or nothing more than US demographic tables ( which were not very helpful ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:00 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead Greetings, Get a map that shows illiteracy rates, anywhere that the rate is 40% or better you can find cheap land. Also, most of these areas have no or not enforced building codes. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
Kim, where do I find such maps? I have tried Google, but, ended up with world maps, or nothing more than US demographic tables ( which were not very helpful ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:00 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead Greetings, Get a map that shows illiteracy rates, anywhere that the rate is 40% or better you can find cheap land. Also, most of these areas have no or not enforced building codes. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
We are cutting ourselves from fuel source options, by wasting land that can be used to grow plants for biofuel, just when the demand gets strong enough to create new markets for biofuel products. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the mid-Atlantic area where I live, it's sad to see prime agricultural land being turned into tracts for subdivisions, malls, and McMansions, the latter of which often have acres of lawn that must be cut, fertilized, etc., for no good purpose. Unfortunately the market doesn't capture the long-term value of that land, which may be needed in the future for biofuel production, agricultural production close to urban areas (as food transportation costs increase), etc. We as individuals seem to vote with our dollars for development (and even second homes) rather than investing in the future by purchasing easements for that land. And we as a body politic can't seem to work together through our elected representatives to make long term, rather than short term and short sighted decisions. I don't know the answer. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
Traditional agriculture is slowly killing the available land, which means more work for the rest of us who want to own land some day. What would be the necessary steps to restore, say, a former landfill site or a former gas station? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
traditional agriculture isn't killing the land, its the massive intensive monoculture farming that's killing the land. there's also large areas tied up with such things as mines and munitions going back to the 2nd and first world war that prevent areas of land being used. a gas station doesn't typically take up much space, you would need to get some soil tests done to find out how extensive the damage is, then remove the affected soil and replace it with top soil from another clean source. other wise growing hardy quick growing weeds, and mowing them down till they pull out a good deal of the residues. I imagine lead content would be an issue Landfill sites, at least the modern ones are typically capped with enough soil to grow trees grass and other plants, some of the earlier ones require extensive work to recap, put in run off capture areas that requires waste water treatment. this wouldn't be viable for a single person, but is something that a local municipality needs to take care of. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of r Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:04 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead Traditional agriculture is slowly killing the available land, which means more work for the rest of us who want to own land some day. What would be the necessary steps to restore, say, a former landfill site or a former gas station? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
Greetings, There are still many areas where land is cheap because it has been burned out by cotton rot, too much corn growing and overgrazing. If you want to get into agriculture, I would suggest that this would be a better place to start than a landfill or service station. I bought this kind of land 13 years ago and I am now able to run 100% grass fed beef and sheep. It takes patience, time and very little money to fix the damage or lots of money and no patience. Life is full of these kind of choices. As for reclaiming land, the story and history of Buchard Gardens in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada makes for interesting reading. Bright Blessings, Kim At 06:03 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: Traditional agriculture is slowly killing the available land, which means more work for the rest of us who want to own land some day. What would be the necessary steps to restore, say, a former landfill site or a former gas station? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
Hi Folks I've been reading this webb site for some time now and thank everyone responsible for it. I purchased an 82 Mercedes 300D and make my own biodiesel. Kim mentioned another area of concern There are still many areas where land is cheap. Would you elaborate more where these can be found. I would appreciate it very much. Thank You. Hal Galerneau Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, There are still many areas where land is cheap because it has been burned out by cotton rot, too much corn growing and overgrazing. If you want to get into agriculture, I would suggest that this would be a better place to start than a landfill or service station. I bought this kind of land 13 years ago and I am now able to run 100% grass fed beef and sheep. It takes patience, time and very little money to fix the damage or lots of money and no patience. Life is full of these kind of choices. As for reclaiming land, the story and history of Buchard Gardens in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada makes for interesting reading. Bright Blessings, Kim At 06:03 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: Traditional agriculture is slowly killing the available land, which means more work for the rest of us who want to own land some day. What would be the necessary steps to restore, say, a former landfill site or a former gas station? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
In the mid-Atlantic area where I live, it's sad to see prime agricultural land being turned into tracts for subdivisions, malls, and McMansions, the latter of which often have acres of lawn that must be cut, fertilized, etc., for no good purpose. Unfortunately the market doesn't capture the long-term value of that land, which may be needed in the future for biofuel production, agricultural production close to urban areas (as food transportation costs increase), etc. We as individuals seem to vote with our dollars for development (and even second homes) rather than investing in the future by purchasing easements for that land. And we as a body politic can't seem to work together through our elected representatives to make long term, rather than short term and short sighted decisions. I don't know the answer. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
