Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello Jan, Keith, and all, Does anyone have any web links or publications on the cuphea? http://www.google.com/intl/en/ Any farmers growing information, yields, etc.? Tony --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:23 PM Hello Keith. Opposite your opinion, I am quite optimistic concerning the relation of cold properties/cetane number of the biodiesel. Palm oil, lard, or coconut oil do not have cloud points of -9 to -10oC. For instance, Palm oil biodiesel has a CFPP of +6 - +8oC and a cetane number of around 60. The cloud point is always higher than the CFPP, and the cloud point means less when it comes to driveability, especially since most additives when treating rape seed methyl ester can accomplish an improvement with 10o or more when it comes to the CFPP value. So I still find Cuphea oil biodiesel interesting. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hello Jan Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. The other catch is the cloud point, I'm not sure I believe the report I quoted that it's -9 to -10 deg C, especially not as you confirm the low IV of 17. More likely it starts to gel as soon as the weather gets cool, same as palm oil, coconut oil, lard, etc. If it does, then one wonders why it's being promoted in the US as a substitute for palm oil. Hot tip: invest all your bucks and your grandmother's life savings in US companies making pour-point depressants. Ref. Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine Further catch is that it's an awkward crop to process. The seeds are tiny, and they tend to shatter. Cuphea isn't really domesticated yet, it's more like a wild weed. Actually the biodiesel is just a sideshow, the main attraction is the caprylic and lauric acid, valuable industrial feedstocks, cloud point irrelevant. Industry enthusiasm, hm. In the US that means either B20 or B5, maybe a low cloud point doesn't matter if you're going to mix it with 80% or 95% petrodiesel. Best Keith Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello Jan, Keith, and all, Does anyone have any web links or publications on the cuphea? Any farmers growing information, yields, etc.? Tony --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:23 PM Hello Keith. Opposite your opinion, I am quite optimistic concerning the relation of cold properties/cetane number of the biodiesel. Palm oil, lard, or coconut oil do not have cloud points of -9 to -10oC. For instance, Palm oil biodiesel has a CFPP of +6 - +8oC and a cetane number of around 60. The cloud point is always higher than the CFPP, and the cloud point means less when it comes to driveability, especially since most additives when treating rape seed methyl ester can accomplish an improvement with 10o or more when it comes to the CFPP value. So I still find Cuphea oil biodiesel interesting. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hello Jan Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. The other catch is the cloud point, I'm not sure I believe the report I quoted that it's -9 to -10 deg C, especially not as you confirm the low IV of 17. More likely it starts to gel as soon as the weather gets cool, same as palm oil, coconut oil, lard, etc. If it does, then one wonders why it's being promoted in the US as a substitute for palm oil. Hot tip: invest all your bucks and your grandmother's life savings in US companies making pour-point depressants. Ref. Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine Further catch is that it's an awkward crop to process. The seeds are tiny, and they tend to shatter. Cuphea isn't really domesticated yet, it's more like a wild weed. Actually the biodiesel is just a sideshow, the main attraction is the caprylic and lauric acid, valuable industrial feedstocks, cloud point irrelevant. Industry enthusiasm, hm. In the US that means either B20 or B5, maybe a low cloud point doesn't matter if you're going to mix it with 80% or 95% petrodiesel. Best Keith Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100125/563ed331/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello Keith. Opposite your opinion, I am quite optimistic concerning the relation of cold properties/cetane number of the biodiesel. Palm oil, lard, or coconut oil do not have cloud points of -9 to -10oC. For instance, Palm oil biodiesel has a CFPP of +6 - +8oC and a cetane number of around 60. The cloud point is always higher than the CFPP, and the cloud point means less when it comes to driveability, especially since most additives when treating rape seed methyl ester can accomplish an improvement with 10o or more when it comes to the CFPP value. So I still find Cuphea oil biodiesel interesting. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hello Jan Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. The other catch is the cloud point, I'm not sure I believe the report I quoted that it's -9 to -10 deg C, especially not as you confirm the low IV of 17. More likely it starts to gel as soon as the weather gets cool, same as palm oil, coconut oil, lard, etc. If it does, then one wonders why it's being promoted in the US as a substitute for palm oil. Hot tip: invest all your bucks and your grandmother's life savings in US companies making pour-point depressants. Ref. Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine Further catch is that it's an awkward crop to process. The seeds are tiny, and they tend to shatter. Cuphea isn't really domesticated yet, it's more like a wild weed. Actually the biodiesel is just a sideshow, the main attraction is the caprylic and lauric acid, valuable industrial feedstocks, cloud point irrelevant. Industry enthusiasm, hm. In the US that means either B20 or B5, maybe a low cloud point doesn't matter if you're going to mix it with 80% or 95% petrodiesel. Best Keith Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Has anyone ever used Moringa seed oil for biodiesel? Please see link for reference: http://www.treesforlife.org/our-work/our-initiatives/moringa We have found Moringa tolerates the desert heat well, grows very quickly, will flower in desert climes and handles saline water. Main problem is deer and rodents love it. It has to be grown in a cage if you have any wildlife in your area or it will disappear. The leaves also have a remarkable flavor. I am cultivating a small patch of jatropha (3 years). It grows well. But, it will not flower due to the dry desert heat. I plan to use it for it's medicinal value. Thanks, JQ Aridzona, US -Original Message- From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:14:20 +0100 Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hi James Maybe Peter knows by now, his trees are four years old: Re: [Biofuel] temperate oilseed tree? Guag Meister Fri, 26 Aug 2005 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54060.html Also: moringa 15 matches http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=moringal=sustainablelorgbiofuel%40sustainablelists.org HTH - best Keith Has anyone ever used Moringa seed oil for biodiesel? Please see link for reference: http://www.treesforlife.org/our-work/our-initiatives/moringa We have found Moringa tolerates the desert heat well, grows very quickly, will flower in desert climes and handles saline water. Main problem is deer and rodents love it. It has to be grown in a cage if you have any wildlife in your area or it will disappear. The leaves also have a remarkable flavor. I am cultivating a small patch of jatropha (3 years). It grows well. But, it will not flower due to the dry desert heat. I plan to use it for it's medicinal value. Thanks, JQ Aridzona, US -Original Message- From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:14:20 +0100 Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello Jan Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. The other catch is the cloud point, I'm not sure I believe the report I quoted that it's -9 to -10 deg C, especially not as you confirm the low IV of 17. More likely it starts to gel as soon as the weather gets cool, same as palm oil, coconut oil, lard, etc. If it does, then one wonders why it's being promoted in the US as a substitute for palm oil. Hot tip: invest all your bucks and your grandmother's life savings in US companies making pour-point depressants. Ref. Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine Further catch is that it's an awkward crop to process. The seeds are tiny, and they tend to shatter. Cuphea isn't really domesticated yet, it's more like a wild weed. Actually the biodiesel is just a sideshow, the main attraction is the caprylic and lauric acid, valuable industrial feedstocks, cloud point irrelevant. Industry enthusiasm, hm. In the US that means either B20 or B5, maybe a low cloud point doesn't matter if you're going to mix it with 80% or 95% petrodiesel. Best Keith Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100121/32da62f3/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
